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Title: Bachmann Class 40
Post by: Tank on September 13, 2016, 04:00:11 PM
GRAHAM FARISH CLASS 40

 Also making its debut at The International N Gauge Show was the all-new Farish Class 40. Features include:
 * Coreless motor - first UK diesel to be so fitted
 * Independently switchable tail lights
 * Independently switchable cab lights (DCC only)
 * Switches on the PCB to isolate lights at each end for DC users
 * 'Easy fit' DCC sound. Speaker sound box moulded in to roof. Large sugarcube speaker sticks to this and when body is replaced on chassis the speaker makes wireless contact with the PCB. No soldering and no loose wires.
 * Next18 decoder interface
 * Disc and centre headcode nose ends
 * Two body styles for both different types of boiler.
 * Scale width bogies.


(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/43/2-130916155927.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=43597)
Title: Re: Bachmann Class 40
Post by: robert shrives on September 13, 2016, 04:36:24 PM
And very nice it looks. Hopefully wheels will match some thing already available so suitable for 2mmfs. Buffer beam looks the part and certainly narrower than on the peak. -hopefully some cross over shortly to upgrade.

Certainly part with cash for a blue one and hopefully a D200 for railtour work. Hopefully easy to mod for the ScR  squared off headcodes - reaches for piccy books!!

Tank thanks for pic hopefully get many "likes"
Robert 
Title: Re: Bachmann Class 40
Post by: Newportnobby on September 13, 2016, 09:16:43 PM
It certainly looks the dogs doo-dahs but.......................


 * Switches on the PCB to isolate lights at each end for DC users


Why not have an external switch. Why should I have to remove the  :censored: body to turn the lights on/off at one end? :veryangry:
Title: Re: Bachmann Class 40
Post by: Chetcombe on September 14, 2016, 12:28:24 AM
Looks great and I love the addition of cab lights and provision for a speaker. What a shame they didn't frequent South Western metals :veryangry:
Title: Re: Bachmann Class 40
Post by: Bealman on September 14, 2016, 12:40:16 AM
That gap between the body and bogie looks a bit suss to me, but hey, there's no denying it's a magnificent model, to be sure.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Bachmann Class 40
Post by: Tank on September 14, 2016, 12:48:50 PM

 * Switches on the PCB to isolate lights at each end for DC users


Why not have an external switch. Why should I have to remove the  :censored: body to turn the lights on/off at one end? :veryangry:

No idea, I don't work for them....! :worried:
Title: Re: Bachmann Class 40
Post by: Vonzack on September 14, 2016, 01:03:35 PM
From a more natural viewing angle it should be OK, I guess it has to be like that so the bogie doesn't catch with them being so long.

Looks very good though and the spec seems fantastic, might have to get one for railtour duties ;-)
Title: Re: Bachmann Class 40
Post by: robert shrives on September 14, 2016, 01:04:22 PM
The likely reason is it allows Bachmann to avoid having wire passing through a crowded chassis. this also reduces the risk of several failed soldered joints and allows board to be easily removed for attention.
Bit of a pain perhaps. I wonder if it were possible to fit switches under a roof panel or have accessible through exhaust ports- mind you that would stop fitting a smoke unit!

Cheers
Robert
Title: Re: Bachmann Class 40
Post by: Only Me on September 14, 2016, 01:18:02 PM
The switches are on the top of the PCB as Robert rightly says, so it cuts down on wiring and possibly problems caused by passing it through the chassis etc
Title: Re: Bachmann Class 40
Post by: Newportnobby on September 14, 2016, 02:57:35 PM
This will be quite interesting as I believe the Dapol class 33 has the capability to switch the lights off at one end. I wonder how they've done theirs. We'll know in a couple of weeks :hmmm:

Title: Re: Bachmann Class 40
Post by: Mr PJ on September 14, 2016, 02:59:48 PM
Hello,

In such a small scale it would be almost impossible to fit switches underneath the loco, especially with such a small boiler water tank on the 40.

My main gripe is the huge amount of back-scene visible between body and bogie, plus the radiator fan grill is extremely clumsy.

Also no split headcode version. I know they only numbered 20, but they look nicer than the centre headcodes and have never been covered by Farish before. It looks like the front-ends are interchangeable, so not difficult to add to the range...

Some great ideas in the spec though, especially the cab lights. Will the cab interior be fully detailed including traincrew etc?  ;)
Cheers
Paul
Title: Re: Bachmann Class 40
Post by: Newportnobby on September 14, 2016, 03:05:28 PM
Sadly the main manufacturers don't fit cab crew :(
I'd willingly forego lights just to have a driver (in each end, of course) or at least have very easy access to the cab to be able to fit crew.
Title: Re: Bachmann Class 40
Post by: railsquid on September 14, 2016, 03:09:38 PM
Hello,

In such a small scale it would be almost impossible to fit switches underneath the loco, especially with such a small boiler water tank on the 40.
I have some very pre-DCC German locos with a switch on the underside to draw power either from catenary or the track.
Title: Re: Bachmann Class 40
Post by: Only Me on September 14, 2016, 03:21:29 PM
There was a switch under the 33 on the one Ben was given to preview I believe......  Every first batch 66 from Dapol I've had to fix has involved removing this switch as the wiring had gone so in my opinion unless there has been a dramatic improvement on Jo Chinas soldering skills it'll just bring more problems..[
Title: Re: Bachmann Class 40
Post by: Newportnobby on September 14, 2016, 03:42:45 PM
Oh great - summat else to be concerned about :doh:
Title: Re: Bachmann Class 40
Post by: 47033 on September 14, 2016, 04:20:01 PM
I was planning on getting one of these but I may have to get a few more than one. It looks great and I think (hope) the gap between the bogie and body will look good from a normal viewing height.

I wonder does the nose comes off  ?

Again, it looks awesome. I just noticed there are no cab handrails.

Jamie
Title: Re: Bachmann Class 40
Post by: CaleyDave on September 14, 2016, 05:02:04 PM
The gap between the bogie and body is noticeable however is not a new problem. I had several Orribly oversized 40s all of which had noticeable gaps.
I assume no one has yet worked out how to create a 40 bogie which looks good and still goes around corners.

Shame the switch to turn the tail lights off isn't more accessible but better needing to take the body off to flick a switch than cut a wire.

I am glad the capability's of the NEXT18 decoder are being used to give us the additional lighting and we will hopefully get a great example of why, non steam traction, will benefit from the new decoder's over the 6 pins.

I wonder does the nose comes off  ?

The end of the nose does to allow for the different headcode/lack off arrangements.
Title: Re: Bachmann Class 40
Post by: Skyline2uk on September 14, 2016, 05:45:58 PM
Hello,

In such a small scale it would be almost impossible to fit switches underneath the loco, especially with such a small boiler water tank on the 40.

My main gripe is the huge amount of back-scene visible between body and bogie, plus the radiator fan grill is extremely clumsy.

Also no split headcode version. I know they only numbered 20, but they look nicer than the centre headcodes and have never been covered by Farish before. It looks like the front-ends are interchangeable, so not difficult to add to the range...

Some great ideas in the spec though, especially the cab lights. Will the cab interior be fully detailed including traincrew etc?  ;)
Cheers
Paul


@Calnefoxile (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=619) asked the BachFarish rep the same question about the split-head code version and didn't receive a negative response.

I will let Neil confirm exactly what was said as I don't want to miss-quote anybody.

Skyline2uk
Title: Re: Bachmann Class 40
Post by: oreamnos on September 14, 2016, 07:30:32 PM
Mods, shouldn't this thread be in the "BachFar Diesel/Electric" forum?  Having seen a thread about this loco on RMWeb a couple days ago I looked for a thread on this site where I expected to find it... but it wasn't there.  Only by luck did I see a post on the topic in the "Recent Posts" section.

Just a suggestion, of course.

Matt
Moderator Comment At the risk of upsetting the Governor it is done :)
Title: Re: Bachmann Class 40
Post by: oreamnos on September 14, 2016, 07:44:31 PM
Hello,

[edit]

Also no split headcode version. I know they only numbered 20, but they look nicer than the centre headcodes and have never been covered by Farish before. It looks like the front-ends are interchangeable, so not difficult to add to the range...

[edit]

Paul


@Calnefoxile ([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=619[/url]) asked the BachFarish rep the same question about the split-head code version and didn't receive a negative response.

I will let Neil confirm exactly what was said as I don't want to miss-quote anybody.

Skyline2uk

Regarding the nose ends. I am hopeful that because they are clearly a separate part, a split-box version will be tooled and offered in the future.

Regarding the bogie/body gap, since I couldn't find this thread earlier I posted the following on a different web forum.  The picture links show pretty well that Bachmann can do better than this EP with regard to the gap.  I hope they do.

"Regarding the evolution of the Farish 40 bogie/body gap...

1.) Poole Farish:
https://hattonsimages.blob.core.windows.net/products/8115Farish-LN_3074678_Qty1_1.jpg (https://hattonsimages.blob.core.windows.net/products/8115Farish-LN_3074678_Qty1_1.jpg)
and
https://hattonsimages.blob.core.windows.net/products/8115Farish_3074653_Qty1_ruler.jpg (https://hattonsimages.blob.core.windows.net/products/8115Farish_3074653_Qty1_ruler.jpg)

2.) Bachmann first split chassis release with Poole body:
https://hattonsimages.blob.core.windows.net/products/371-176-LN01_3199232_Qty1_1.jpg (https://hattonsimages.blob.core.windows.net/products/371-176-LN01_3199232_Qty1_1.jpg)
and
https://hattonsimages.blob.core.windows.net/products/371-175-U_3198660_Qty1_1.jpg (https://hattonsimages.blob.core.windows.net/products/371-175-U_3198660_Qty1_1.jpg)

3.) Bachmann second split chassis release with Poole body:
https://hattonsimages.blob.core.windows.net/products/371-178-LN-03_3153176_Qty1_1.jpg (https://hattonsimages.blob.core.windows.net/products/371-178-LN-03_3153176_Qty1_1.jpg)
and
https://hattonsimages.blob.core.windows.net/products/371-177-HD_3174074_Qty1_1.jpg (https://hattonsimages.blob.core.windows.net/products/371-177-HD_3174074_Qty1_1.jpg)

4.) Bachmann third split chassis release with Poole body:
https://hattonsimages.blob.core.windows.net/products/371-178A-LN-03_3153175_Qty1_1.jpg (https://hattonsimages.blob.core.windows.net/products/371-178A-LN-03_3153175_Qty1_1.jpg)
and
https://hattonsimages.blob.core.windows.net/products/371-178A_27385_Qty1_2.jpg (https://hattonsimages.blob.core.windows.net/products/371-178A_27385_Qty1_2.jpg)
and
https://hattonsimages.blob.core.windows.net/products/371-177A-LN-01_3111486_Qty1_1.jpg (https://hattonsimages.blob.core.windows.net/products/371-177A-LN-01_3111486_Qty1_1.jpg)

I have (more than!) several examples of each of the variants.  I can say that the pictures above accurately reflect the gap on the models "in the flesh" based on the sample size I have for each model.

The Poole Farish bodies have a habit of not sitting perfectly level so that the body can be slightly higher above the bogie at one end compared to the other.  For the Bachmann releases, there was very slight variation in the gap between the individual models of each release, mostly attributable to how loose the body was on the chassis - the looser the fit, the lower the body sat.  Bachmann's first and second releases of the split chassis version had the bodies reliably level and close to the bogies.  Bachmann's third release of the split chassis version, however, while level, had an inexplicably larger gap than the prior two releases.  I've studied my own models carefully as to why and my best guess is that it is because the bodies on that release seem to fit much more snugly to the chassis.

Anyhow, the current EP looks closest to that third Bachmann release.  I hope that it can be improved upon and the gap made smaller."

Matt
Title: Re: Bachmann Class 40
Post by: Roy L S on September 15, 2016, 10:19:10 PM
I was planning on getting one of these but I may have to get a few more than one. It looks great and I think (hope) the gap between the bogie and body will look good from a normal viewing height.

I wonder does the nose comes off  ?

Again, it looks awesome. I just noticed there are no cab handrails.

Jamie

Hi Jamie

If you look carefully, being so deeply recessed, the cab handrails very logically form part of the body moulding.

Regards

Roy
Title: Re: Bachmann Class 40
Post by: Thorpe Parva on February 17, 2017, 11:08:16 AM
Price & availability date now on the Farish website....

http://www.bachmann.co.uk/prod1.php?prod_selected=farish&prod=1 (http://www.bachmann.co.uk/prod1.php?prod_selected=farish&prod=1)
Title: Re: Bachmann Class 40
Post by: Newportnobby on February 17, 2017, 11:21:27 AM
Oh dear. It looks so good I feel an addition to my pre order list coming on :doh:
I wonder what the price will be on arrival :worried:
Title: Re: Bachmann Class 40
Post by: Only Me on February 17, 2017, 11:28:39 AM
I wanted a green one with sound... @Steve Purves (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=3055) is the site wrong or are you only doing the Blue on with sound now ?

Cheers Paul.
Title: Re: Bachmann Class 40
Post by: Roy L S on February 17, 2017, 11:50:34 AM
I wanted a green one with sound... @Steve Purves ([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=3055[/url]) is the site wrong or are you only doing the Blue on with sound now ?

Cheers Paul.


A second appeal for green with sound, I would have thought the lesson would have been learned with the 108 - most people I have spoken to who showed an interest said it would have been nailed on if green so why go for another blue era model?

Roy

Roy
Title: Re: Bachmann Class 40
Post by: Dr Al on February 17, 2017, 12:11:32 PM
so why go for another blue era model?
Roy

Simple marketing - Bachmann have commonly done this - put a lesser desired item out first, or in the lesser livery, in the hope that basically folk will buy it *and* the one they really want.

Same has happened with train sets - Deltic in proper as built livery in the set; the later preservation (more vibrant, but inaccurate) livery as a separate loco meaning to get the accurate model for the days when it actually ran in service, you need to buy the set.

Having said that, for the 40, Blue is still likely to be a popular livery I'd have thought - for the DMUs plain blue seems the least desired livery of all those possible.

Cheers,
Alan
Title: Re: Bachmann Class 40
Post by: RailGooner on February 17, 2017, 12:12:03 PM
.. Also no split headcode version. ...

Regarding the nose ends. I am hopeful that because they are clearly a separate part, a split-box version will be tooled and offered in the future. ...


371-183DS Class 40 40141 BR Blue Split Head Code Digital Sound
http://www.bachmann.co.uk/image_box.php?image=images1/farish/371-183DS.jpg&cat_no=371-183DS&info=0&width=800&height=243 (http://www.bachmann.co.uk/image_box.php?image=images1/farish/371-183DS.jpg&cat_no=371-183DS&info=0&width=800&height=243)
Title: Re: Bachmann Class 40
Post by: RailGooner on February 17, 2017, 01:04:11 PM
Link to the latest update:

[url]http://www.bachmann.co.uk/details.php?id=397[/url] ([url]http://www.bachmann.co.uk/details.php?id=397[/url])


Those three pics illustrate perfectly how the degree to which the bogie-body gap is a problem changes relative to the viewing angle.
Title: Re: Bachmann Class 40
Post by: Roy L S on February 17, 2017, 02:56:04 PM
It's not just the angle, the narrative makes reference to improving the ride height.

Roy
Title: Re: Bachmann Class 40
Post by: Only Me on February 17, 2017, 02:58:57 PM
I've been informed that the intention was only to ever do a blue one with Sound as per the class 108.... If you want sound in a green one then I'm guessing you know what to do!!...
Title: Re: Bachmann Class 40
Post by: Roy L S on February 17, 2017, 03:13:17 PM
I do indeed, and shall!!

Roy
Title: Re: Bachmann Class 40
Post by: anselm on February 17, 2017, 03:19:11 PM
I've been informed that the intention was only to ever do a blue one with Sound as per the class 108.... If you want sound in a green one then I'm guessing you know what to do!!...

Does anyone know whether this also applies to the Farish Castle; is GWR green the only one to have sound?  I would prefer an era 5 but, as fitting sound is quite beyond me, I may have to apply rule 1!

Ian
Title: Re: Bachmann Class 40
Post by: Newportnobby on February 17, 2017, 03:27:05 PM
I've been informed that the intention was only to ever do a blue one with Sound as per the class 108.... If you want sound in a green one then I'm guessing you know what to do!!...

Does anyone know whether this also applies to the Farish Castle; is GWR green the only one to have sound?  I would prefer an era 5 but, as fitting sound is quite beyond me, I may have to apply rule 1!

Ian

372-033DS Nunney Castle in GWR green is the only sound fitted one. Like me with the late crest 8F recently announced it seems you'll have to find someone to do a 'body swap' with you e.g. I want a late crest 8F without sound so would swap the body with someone who wants an early crest with sound
Title: Re: Bachmann Class 40
Post by: Mr PJ on February 17, 2017, 04:16:30 PM
Hello,

I did actually send an email to Bachmann to request the spilt headcode version. Who knows if this may have influenced the addition of this attractive looking variant!

As for the tooling modifications that Bachmann have made to the bogie ride height and cooling fan grill these were all issues that modellers pointed out on "the other forum", and this seems to have worked as Bachmann have listened and made big improvements to the final model.
I can't wait to get my hands on these 40's - looking at the recent pictures that have been posted it looks like they may be the best ever RTR diesel models in N gauge.

Cheers,
Paul


Title: Re: Bachmann Class 40
Post by: oreamnos on February 17, 2017, 04:37:27 PM
Hello,

I did actually send an email to Bachmann to request the spilt headcode version. Who knows if this may have influenced the addition of this attractive looking variant!

As for the tooling modifications that Bachmann have made to the bogie ride height and cooling fan grill these were all issues that modellers pointed out on "the other forum", and this seems to have worked as Bachmann have listened and made big improvements to the final model.
I can't wait to get my hands on these 40's - from the latest  it looks like they may be the best ever RTR diesel models in N gauge from the recent pictures.

Cheers,
Paul

I don't know when Farish posted the pictures of all three variants on its website, but on "the other forum" several months ago I wrote about the bogie detail not having enough relief as well as the center head code box being over scale - and the narrative that accompanies the new pictures indicates Bachmann has worked on those issues.  Regardless of where they the heard about those issues, I'm impressed that Bachmann actually listened.

The only issue I have is that the split box version is at least for the moment only available as a sound fitted model.  I'm not a big fan of sound equipped models and don't want to have to pay for a "feature" I don't want.  With luck Farish will release that body on non-sound fitted models in future.

Matt
Title: Re: Bachmann Class 40
Post by: martyn on February 18, 2017, 08:45:52 AM
Farish have updated the progress of the forthcoming cl 40-including a split headcode version.....

http://bachmann.co.uk/details.php?id=397 (http://bachmann.co.uk/details.php?id=397)

Martyn
Title: Re: Bachmann Class 40
Post by: Bingley Hall on February 18, 2017, 11:47:03 AM
Green, split head code, SYP or it's nothing  :dunce:
Title: Re: Bachmann Class 40
Post by: oreamnos on February 20, 2017, 12:37:09 AM
Farish have updated the progress of the forthcoming cl 40-including a split headcode version.....

[url]http://bachmann.co.uk/details.php?id=397[/url] ([url]http://bachmann.co.uk/details.php?id=397[/url])

Martyn


Yes, but so far no news on a split box version without sound.

Matt
Title: Re: Bachmann Class 40
Post by: eddief83 on February 20, 2017, 01:34:49 PM
I don't think the split headcode box version will appear without sound until the 2018/19 range at the earliest and then there is no guarentee it will be BR Blue.
Title: Re: Bachmann Class 40
Post by: RailGooner on February 20, 2017, 02:15:53 PM
I don't think the split headcode box version will appear without sound until the 2018/19 range at the earliest and then there is no guarentee it will be BR Blue.

Agreed. We all know the mainstream releases for this year. Items might be culled, but we surely all know that none will be added.
Title: Re: Bachmann Class 40
Post by: davidinyork on April 16, 2017, 08:28:12 PM
Bachmann had painted samples of the disc and centre headcode versions, and an unpainted sample of the splitbox version, on display at the York show this weekend. They look very good indeed.

The NEM socket has been incorporated behind the buffer beam, so that it doesn't protrude once the coupler is removed. It wasn't clear whether it is possible to remove the socket and fit a blanking piece (anything plugged into the socket itself would protrude), but even if not it isn't going to be very noticeable with detailing added to the buffer beam.
Title: Re: Bachmann Class 40
Post by: Dalek on April 17, 2017, 01:07:36 PM
I've been informed that the intention was only to ever do a blue one with Sound as per the class 108.... If you want sound in a green one then I'm guessing you know what to do!!...

I asked about this at the Scotrail exibition and was told they will be doing a green one from the guy who was demonstrating on the stand.
Title: Re: Bachmann Class 40
Post by: Roy L S on May 13, 2017, 08:19:48 PM
An update on the Bachmann website yesterday. Deco samples now being shown which look very nice.

Also great news - they will all come with a speaker fitted so adding sound should be a doddle.

http://www.bachmann.co.uk/ (http://www.bachmann.co.uk/)

Roy
Title: Re: Bachmann Class 40
Post by: Newportnobby on May 13, 2017, 08:25:48 PM

Also great news - they will all come with a speaker fitted so adding sound should be a doddle.


No good to me, Roy. I'd be paying for a speaker I don't want :thumbsdown:
Title: Re: Bachmann Class 40
Post by: davidinyork on May 13, 2017, 08:52:08 PM
It does seem surprising that they are including a speaker even in the non-sound-fitted ones. I suppose the logic is that it can then be wired direct into the Next18 socket so that all that is needed is to plug in the decoder. I've not got any sound-fitted locos, but I understand that with 6-pin sockets the speaker has to be attached to terminals on the decoder itself as there aren't enough pins to use the socket, so there wouldn't really be the same advantage to including a speaker without a decoder.

Obviously this is the first time it's been done in N gauge, but are there actually any examples in OO where non-sound models have had a speaker included?
Title: Re: Bachmann Class 40
Post by: Roy L S on May 13, 2017, 09:08:14 PM

Also great news - they will all come with a speaker fitted so adding sound should be a doddle.


No good to me, Roy. I'd be paying for a speaker I don't want :thumbsdown:

I guess it's the way things are going. Not so many years ago I'm sure I said the same about inclusion of a DCC socket (before being seduced to the dark side about 3 years ago) but now it is expected and analogue users have largely come to accept that. I don't doubt the same will become true of speakers (which are also being factory fitted in Bachmann's new "Next 18" 00 locos like the Webb "Coal Tank" too incidentally).

Reading BRM today it is interesting to note from their poll just how many use DCC now - certainly way more than I would have thought. I think that in factory fitting speakers Bachmann are actually stepping up to where expectations currently are.

Regards

Roy
Title: Re: Bachmann Class 40
Post by: Newportnobby on May 13, 2017, 09:11:14 PM
Is this a portent of things to come? What next? Everything DCC fitted with the onus on DC users to buy a blanking plate and remove the chip?
If I was into conspiracy theories I'd say someone, somewhere has an agenda :hmmm: :uneasy:

Edit:- Just seen Roy's post above. Oh well, dinosaurs became extinct so I guess my  N gauge modelling now has a shelf life
Title: Re: Bachmann Class 40
Post by: longbow on May 13, 2017, 10:46:21 PM
Retrofitting sound to the Farish Castle requires you to mount the speaker and solder the speaker wires to the PCB board - dead simple compared to most sound fits, but still enough to deter many I imagine. I suspect that the speaker in the sound-fitted version is glued in to improve sound reproduction so it may not be practical to remove it for sale - but you could just sell the decoder, which represents 90% of the package cost.

Factory-fitting speakers to non-sound loco versions adds only a couple of quid to production costs, makes a sound retrofit a simple matter of plugging in a sound decoder and ensures optimum sound quality.

Kudos to Farish for making sound cheaper and more accessible. In a few years it's not hard to see N Gauge sound being a plug-in GBP20 option rather than a GBP200 custom job.
Title: Re: Bachmann Class 40
Post by: eddief83 on May 15, 2017, 12:13:39 PM
I recall reading that in the car industry if they fitted the top of the range specs from the start to all cars they would be cheaper, its the switching of specs that are fitted that pushes the costs up, perhaps the same is true of model railways. Fit speakers to all as opposed to having to set up the production line to do it and hten not do it and then prices will perhaps come down.

Don't forget these speakers are only a few quid so will hardly break the bank compared to other price rises we have had if they are pushing the price up
Title: Re: Bachmann Class 40
Post by: davidinyork on May 15, 2017, 12:49:42 PM
Retrofitting sound to the Farish Castle requires you to mount the speaker and solder the speaker wires to the PCB board - dead simple compared to most sound fits, but still enough to deter many I imagine. I suspect that the speaker in the sound-fitted version is glued in to improve sound reproduction so it may not be practical to remove it for sale - but you could just sell the decoder, which represents 90% of the package cost.

Going off-topic a bit, but are there any photos online of how they've laid out the internals of the Castle? Would be interesting to see how they've fitted in space for a speaker in a steam loco (or does it go in the tender?)
Title: Re: Bachmann Class 40
Post by: Dr Al on May 15, 2017, 12:51:38 PM
or does it go in the tender?

It goes in the tender next to the DCC socket.

Cheers,
Alan
Title: Re: Bachmann Class 40
Post by: red_death on May 15, 2017, 02:39:24 PM
Is this a portent of things to come? What next? Everything DCC fitted with the onus on DC users to buy a blanking plate and remove the chip?

I suspect for some things there will be enough of a price differential to make it not worthwhile but the cost of a speaker is so cheap that it really is a very marginal cost difference between including it or not. For something like a DCC decoder the price is higher so you're probably not going to see them fitted as standard unless you need the functionality (there are some things that are just easier to do in a restricted space with a DCC decoder).

Cheers, Mike
Title: Re: Bachmann Class 40
Post by: davidinyork on May 15, 2017, 02:58:25 PM
or does it go in the tender?

It goes in the tender next to the DCC socket.

Cheers,
Alan

Thanks. Presumably he solder points for it are on the circuit board beside the space for it? Seems surpring that they havent' done as with the 40s and included the speaker in all of them whether or not a sound decoder was factory-fitted.
Title: Re: Bachmann Class 40
Post by: Dr Al on May 15, 2017, 03:08:28 PM
Thanks. Presumably he solder points for it are on the circuit board beside the space for it?

They'll be on the PCB that the DCC decoder connects to, yes.

Cheers,
alan
Title: Re: Bachmann Class 40
Post by: Dr Al on May 15, 2017, 03:10:22 PM
but the cost of a speaker is so cheap that it really is a very marginal cost difference between including it or not.

Bachmann will be buying (or making) these in bulk too, so the economies of scale will add to the fact the cost added to RRP is likely to be marginal as compared to buying a single speaker for a sound fit at retail prices.

Cheers,
Alan
Title: Re: Bachmann Class 40
Post by: scottmitchell74 on June 22, 2017, 11:40:05 AM
Has anyone heard/seen this in person yet? At a show or some other display?

I have the sound fitted one on pre-order, but I'm nervous to shell out that much money without some good reviews and without hearing from the rank and file. I'm also nervous to NOT have it on pre-order due to the price, which I doubt will ever be lower than the pre-order discount we see now.
Title: Re: Bachmann Class 40
Post by: longbow on June 22, 2017, 12:00:56 PM
Even if you never buy another, it's well worth trying a sound-equipped loco just to see what the fuss is about.

Buying the Farish factory-fitted version will certainly be the cheapest way to do it and based on the Castle I'd expect it to come with a high quality sound decoder and a decent sounds package.

Either way you'll likely see the initial magazine reviews before your pre-order is activated.

Title: Re: Bachmann Class 40
Post by: Newportnobby on June 22, 2017, 12:23:32 PM
I do like the E.E. Type 4s and have 4 green ones but I don't like fitted sound so will make do with the voicessounds I have in my memory bank (a very small branch).
It will take a great deal for me to buy the retooled silent version.
Title: Re: Bachmann Class 40
Post by: davidinyork on June 22, 2017, 01:46:07 PM
I do like the E.E. Type 4s and have 4 green ones but I don't like fitted sound so will make do with the voicessounds I have in my memory bank (a very small branch).
It will take a great deal for me to buy the retooled silent version.

They had pre-production samples on display at the York show a couple of months ago, and they really did look good - a massive improvement on the old model.
Title: Re: Bachmann Class 40
Post by: Yet_Another on June 22, 2017, 02:23:23 PM
Although I very much agree with NPN regarding N gauge sound, I'll be getting the sound fitted version (if funds allow at that point) as well as the other TOPS version, simply to get a split headcode.

My only real experience of sound in this scale is at exhibitions, and I haven't been impressed, so this will be a bit of a trial. But I doubt my opinion will change, as I do like a bit of bass!

I have to agree on the appearance as well. Fortunately, the new Graham Farish version had been announced when I was looking at some second hand 40s. They were ok, but I decided that new ones would be better  :)
Title: Re: Bachmann Class 40
Post by: oreamnos on June 23, 2017, 05:58:24 PM
I know the decorated Class 40 examples have been posted on Bachmann's website for about a month now, but Hornby magazine have the same pictures which you can click and greatly enlarge here to high resolution:
http://www.hornbymagazine.com/2017/05/25/decorated-n-class-40-debuts/hm121_p10-13_pic-5/ (http://www.hornbymagazine.com/2017/05/25/decorated-n-class-40-debuts/hm121_p10-13_pic-5/)
I think the Farish model looks good even cruelly enlarged, so well done, Bachmann!

Regarding sound in N scale, I saw a Scale Trains Rivet Counter N scale UP 8500 Gas Turbine Electric at an exhibition a few months ago which is factory fitted with DCC sound.  It's a stunning model (and it's hard to believe it's plastic, not brass!).  There's a video of the model here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGlkgUI0deM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGlkgUI0deM)
If you skip to 9:30 in the video, you can here the sounds.  For N scale, they are excellent.

However, and I know it's a personal thing, but for me hearing 1:1 scale sound while looking at a 1:160 model simply doesn't work.  Perhaps ironically, I find adding sound actually lessens the illusion of realism, maybe because hearing "real" sound is just a reminder that I'm not looking at the real thing?  I really don't know.

Is the new spit box, sound equipped Farish 40 going to be supplied with DCC fitted, requiring me to get a blanking plug for it to run on DC?

Matt
Title: Re: Bachmann Class 40
Post by: longbow on June 23, 2017, 06:08:50 PM
Quote
Is the new spit box, sound equipped Farish 40 going to be supplied with DCC fitted, requiring me to get a blanking plug for it to run on DC?

I imagine the default decoder settings will allow it to run on DC with some of the sounds enabled. Alternatively you could sell the decoder (current price GBP 80-90), fit a Next18 blanking plug and run it on DC only.
Title: Re: Bachmann Class 40
Post by: davidinyork on July 14, 2017, 10:28:58 AM
There are some photos in this month's rail express.

Have any pictures yet surfaced of them with the bodyshell off? Would be interested to see how they've managed to fit everything in.
Title: Re: Bachmann Class 40
Post by: RichardBattersby on August 25, 2017, 12:28:09 PM
Hi, I'm not sure if you've seen this yet, but a rather impressive video of the sound features and functions!

I love the idea that it is more like driving the loco 'with' the sounds, rather than the other way around, if you see what I mean. I haven't seen soft lighting changes before either.

 :drool: :drool: :drool:

Title: Re: Bachmann Class 40
Post by: Rma on October 13, 2017, 02:55:54 PM
Farish have announced that the first of the class 40s has now arrived at their warehouse. http://www.bachmann.co.uk/details.php?id=474 (http://www.bachmann.co.uk/details.php?id=474)

I would like to run with DCC sound but donít want blue - so will need to fit my own. Reading through this thread, the speakers are ready fitted so I know Iíll only (hah) need to get a sound chip.

But, the first post on this thread says
Easy fit' DCC sound. Speaker sound box moulded in to roof. Large sugarcube speaker sticks to this and when body is replaced on chassis the speaker makes wireless contact with the PCB. No soldering and no loose wires.

... so does this really mean all Iíll need to do is plug in the chip? No wiring from chip to speaker or any other soldering??
Title: Re: Bachmann Class 40
Post by: Only Me on October 13, 2017, 03:48:35 PM
I think the 40 is rather fetching in Blue, alongside its smaller Cousin from Kernow!

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/56/1328-131017154740.jpeg)

Just buy a green and blue swap the bodies and flog off the blue non sound one ... Simples .. :0

Title: Re: Bachmann Class 40
Post by: Bob G on October 13, 2017, 10:09:43 PM
They were soooo rare on the southern I would be a fool to buy one, but I have owned a few in the past, especially a fan of disc 40s.
Title: Re: Bachmann Class 40
Post by: gc4946 on October 13, 2017, 10:27:18 PM
I actually saw 40 173 at Portsmouth & Southsea by sheer chance of luck - the only time I ever saw a 40 in the city.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/96859208@N07/9524254424 (https://www.flickr.com/photos/96859208@N07/9524254424)

(NB I didn't take that photo!)

Title: Re: Bachmann Class 40
Post by: gc4946 on October 13, 2017, 10:47:30 PM
I bet someone will create the large logo-liveried preserved 40 145!

https://www.flickr.com/photos/neil_harvey_railway_photos/14555218063 (https://www.flickr.com/photos/neil_harvey_railway_photos/14555218063)
Title: Re: Bachmann Class 40
Post by: Bob G on October 13, 2017, 11:16:17 PM
I actually saw 40 173 at Portsmouth & Southsea by sheer chance of luck - the only time I ever saw a 40 in the city.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/96859208@N07/9524254424 (https://www.flickr.com/photos/96859208@N07/9524254424)

(NB I didn't take that photo!)

Yes, great idea and photo, but I don't call railtours logical reasons to buy one.
I have found excuses for all sorts of locos on booked turns, but I don't call railtours routine. I mean there was even a Deltic railtour to Portsmouth.

I can find an excuse for 57xx, 51xx 61xx, Halls Manors and Granges south of Reading - even City of Truro.
I can find excuses for 31s, hymeks, warships, westerns, 45s, 46s, south of Reading.
But a 40? Not that I know of.

Bob
Title: Re: Bachmann Class 40
Post by: Rma on October 14, 2017, 08:38:52 AM
I think the 40 is rather fetching in Blue, alongside its smaller Cousin from Kernow!

Just buy a green and blue swap the bodies and flog off the blue non sound one ... Simples .. :0

Blue livery £178 + green livery £118 = £296

Or

Green livery £118 + chip £90 = £208

£296 - £208 = £88

So, Iíd need to sell the repackaged blue livery w/o sound for £88 to just break even. Any takers on here for £110 to cover faff and postage?
Title: Re: Bachmann Class 40
Post by: Newportnobby on October 14, 2017, 02:15:21 PM
Oh you wicked lot! A combination of you posting about it and Rails sending me a mail to say they'd be in on Monday has lead to me buying the green disc version :doh:

Just as well I had £105 of vouchers from a recent birthday, eh? :D
Title: Re: Bachmann Class 40
Post by: Skyline2uk on October 14, 2017, 02:24:35 PM
Oh you wicked lot! A combination of you posting about it and Rails sending me a mail to say they'd be in on Monday has lead to me buying the green disc version :doh:

Just as well I had £105 of vouchers from a recent birthday, eh? :D

Good for you sir, if you have the cash, why not!

Skyline2uk
Title: Re: Bachmann Class 40
Post by: Newportnobby on October 14, 2017, 02:51:59 PM
Oh you wicked lot! A combination of you posting about it and Rails sending me a mail to say they'd be in on Monday has lead to me buying the green disc version :doh:

Just as well I had £105 of vouchers from a recent birthday, eh? :D

Good for you sir, if you have the cash, why not!

Skyline2uk

As it's post free from Rails I get a new class 40 for £13 or so - bargain :laugh3:
Title: Re: Bachmann Class 40
Post by: tutenkhamunsleeping on October 14, 2017, 03:25:13 PM
As it's post free from Rails I get a new class 40 for £13 or so - bargain :laugh3:

I'll give you £36 for it - double your money :smiley-laughing:
Title: Re: Bachmann Class 40
Post by: Newportnobby on October 14, 2017, 05:24:17 PM
As it's post free from Rails I get a new class 40 for £13 or so - bargain :laugh3:

I'll give you £36 for it - double your money :smiley-laughing:

That's almost tripling my money :goggleeyes:
Can I resist? Ummmmmmmmm................................................yes :P
Title: Re: Bachmann Class 40
Post by: tutenkhamunsleeping on October 14, 2017, 05:30:19 PM
That's almost tripling my money :goggleeyes:

Ha!  I shall return my maths O level first thing Monday morning! :dunce: ;)
Title: Re: Bachmann Class 40
Post by: Newportnobby on October 19, 2017, 10:18:21 AM
I seem to have a thing about 'Whistlers' (green, of course) :whistle: :angel:

Left to right.........
Ref 8115 D348
371-175 D306 'Atlantic Conveyor'
371-177 D351
371-177A D382
371-180 D211 'Mauretania'
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/56/264-191017100739-568651201.jpeg)

Couldn't get depth of field on this one.............
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/56/264-191017100739-56865436.jpeg)

A bit better with a little height...............
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/56/264-191017100744-56867987.jpeg)

Having received D211 last night I ran it this morning to find it derailed on the first small electrofrog it came to in both directions. 'Strange' I thought. 'The destructions state not to try running it on curves less than 263.5mm (about 10Ĺ") and the points are 12" radius' :confused2:
It turns out it didn't like running off a small curve onto the point. When I changed it to run off the 2nd point in the fiddle yard all was well. The loco itself is very smooth and quiet straight from the box, but is another where conductive lube is required for maintenance. It's just a shame that, running DC and not liking sound in N gauge, I've had to pay for a speaker within the body shell but I guess that's the future ::)
Title: Re: Bachmann Class 40
Post by: scruff on October 19, 2017, 10:47:09 PM
Very nice Mick, i'm waiting patiently for 2 blue ones.. just hope they don't arrive together. I'm going to try the sound one even though I'm a DC dinosaur like yourself..

Cheers
Mark
Title: Re: Bachmann Class 40
Post by: bluedepot on October 20, 2017, 04:26:06 PM
I've ordered two blue ones!

likewise hoping they don't arrive at once!


Tim
Title: Re: Bachmann Class 40
Post by: Delboy on October 20, 2017, 06:33:22 PM
Just got the 371-180 D211 'Mauretania' with speaker already in. Ran it in on DC on my test track, installed a MX658N18 sound decoder from You Choos and IMHO the sound and slow running "out of the box" is superb. The built in speaker is excellent and for such a small scale loco give very acceptable sound effects.
Dennis.
 :bounce:
Title: Re: Bachmann Class 40
Post by: Roy L S on October 20, 2017, 07:30:09 PM
Just got the 371-180 D211 'Mauretania' with speaker already in. Ran it in on DC on my test track, installed a MX658N18 sound decoder from You Choos and IMHO the sound and slow running "out of the box" is superb. The built in speaker is excellent and for such a small scale loco give very acceptable sound effects.
Dennis.
 :bounce:

Hi Dennis

I have fitted the same Zimo/YouChoos sound combination to mine, and it certainly puts out quite a racket. My wife had to turn the TV volume up!

Running is super smooth and quiet and it looks superb.

Well worth the wait and I am looking forward to getting the other green one I also have on order for the same treatment.

Well done Bachmann.

Roy
Title: Re: Bachmann Class 40
Post by: Arrachogaidh on October 20, 2017, 09:25:10 PM
I have the earlier model which I had customised and named Mauretania by Millfield Models.

Now, should I purchase the new green machine or stick with my version.

Decisions, decisions.

 :helpneededsign:
Title: Re: Bachmann Class 40
Post by: Newportnobby on October 20, 2017, 10:04:30 PM
I have the earlier model which I had customised and named Mauretania by Millfield Models.

Now, should I purchase the new green machine or stick with my version.

Decisions, decisions.

 :helpneededsign:

If you're happy with your model and don't feel the need for running lights then why spend c£120.
Save it for something else :)
Title: Re: Bachmann Class 40
Post by: davidinyork on October 22, 2017, 01:39:45 PM
There is a review of the blue centre-headcode version in this month's Rail Express.
Title: Re: Bachmann Class 40
Post by: Barry M on October 25, 2017, 08:33:45 AM
Just to clarify, is the speaker already wired? So it's just a case of slotting in the Decoder and away you go?
Barry
Title: Re: Bachmann Class 40
Post by: longbow on October 25, 2017, 08:38:49 AM
Yes.
Title: Re: Bachmann Class 40
Post by: Shropshire Lad on October 25, 2017, 09:44:06 AM
I was hoping to have one of my two class 40s by now.  Maybe both of the blue ones will appear at the same time.
Title: Re: Bachmann Class 40
Post by: Yet_Another on October 25, 2017, 01:17:27 PM
I was told by someone on the Bachman stand at TINGS that the sound one will probably be later than the others, but they seem to be quite spread out anyway.

I too am waiting for both blue varieties  :'(
Title: Re: Bachmann Class 40
Post by: Mr PJ on October 29, 2017, 09:38:18 PM
I can find an excuse for 57xx, 51xx 61xx, Halls Manors and Granges south of Reading - even City of Truro.
I can find excuses for 31s, hymeks, warships, westerns, 45s, 46s, south of Reading.
But a 40? Not that I know of.

Bob,
Actually Class 40's weren't totally unknown on freight -and occasionally even passenger services - South of Reading, at least up until the very early 80's when withdrawls began to bite. I wouldn't call appearance everyday, but they did tend to get used on freights as far as Eastleigh - at least - from the Birmingham direction. A friend of mine recalls one Summer Saturday catching a relief train that had come from the North via Reading avoiding line to Eastleigh (were it was removed in favour of a Crompton or 47), and whilst heading back to Reading was rather withered by passing a second Class 40 on a South-bound train. The locos were eventually sent back North by the way of freights. The only time one appeared at Portsmouth was on the aforementioned railtour, but Saltley crews were happy to take them onto the LSWR mainline
Cheers
Paul
Title: Re: Bachmann Class 40
Post by: Bob G on October 30, 2017, 03:33:23 PM
I can find an excuse for 57xx, 51xx 61xx, Halls Manors and Granges south of Reading - even City of Truro.
I can find excuses for 31s, hymeks, warships, westerns, 45s, 46s, south of Reading.
But a 40? Not that I know of.

Bob,
Actually Class 40's weren't totally unknown on freight -and occasionally even passenger services - South of Reading, at least up until the very early 80's when withdrawls began to bite. I wouldn't call appearance everyday, but they did tend to get used on freights as far as Eastleigh - at least - from the Birmingham direction. A friend of mine recalls one Summer Saturday catching a relief train that had come from the North via Reading avoiding line to Eastleigh (were it was removed in favour of a Crompton or 47), and whilst heading back to Reading was rather withered by passing a second Class 40 on a South-bound train. The locos were eventually sent back North by the way of freights. The only time one appeared at Portsmouth was on the aforementioned railtour, but Saltley crews were happy to take them onto the LSWR mainline
Cheers
Paul

That's really interesting stuff. Might have to get one after all!
regards
Bob
Title: Re: Bachmann Class 40
Post by: Mr PJ on October 30, 2017, 07:41:43 PM
Bob,
Its been a bit of a job finding photos of them on the Southern to be honest - managed to find a picture of 40174 at Basingstoke on empty cartics, and interestingly a very unusual picture of 40076 at Salisbury in September 1982 (in "25 years of the 40s") approaching the Eastern end on a what is described as Severn Tunnel bound freight. I can only assume this must have come from Eastleigh or Southampton.
Cheers,
Paul
Title: Re: Bachmann Class 40
Post by: Yet_Another on November 01, 2017, 10:12:08 PM
Iíve just noticed on the Bachmann website that the green 40 is showing sold out, and the other three have slipped from Oct/Nov to Nov/Dec.  :(
Title: Re: Bachmann Class 40
Post by: martyn on November 03, 2017, 04:01:48 PM
I confirm that D211 'Mauretania' is sold out at Barwell.

 I went to Scograil to buy one today, and he has sold out his initial order. He phoned Barwell to order some more, and the lady answering the Bachmann/Farish order line confirmed they are out of stock.

Don't delay if you still want one......

HTH

Martyn
Title: Re: Bachmann Class 40
Post by: Roy L S on November 03, 2017, 05:09:43 PM
I noticed Mauretania being sold out at Barwell too. When I spoke to the chap on the Bachmann stand at TINGS he said that orders for all 4 (from retailers) had been such that nearly all of the production run was committed.

Glad I have my second green one on pre-order.

Roy
Title: Re: Bachmann Class 40
Post by: Carmont on November 05, 2017, 02:39:46 PM
I can find an excuse for 57xx, 51xx 61xx, Halls Manors and Granges south of Reading - even City of Truro.
I can find excuses for 31s, hymeks, warships, westerns, 45s, 46s, south of Reading.
But a 40? Not that I know of.

Bob,
Actually Class 40's weren't totally unknown on freight -and occasionally even passenger services - South of Reading, at least up until the very early 80's when withdrawls began to bite. I wouldn't call appearance everyday, but they did tend to get used on freights as far as Eastleigh - at least - from the Birmingham direction. A friend of mine recalls one Summer Saturday catching a relief train that had come from the North via Reading avoiding line to Eastleigh (were it was removed in favour of a Crompton or 47), and whilst heading back to Reading was rather withered by passing a second Class 40 on a South-bound train. The locos were eventually sent back North by the way of freights. The only time one appeared at Portsmouth was on the aforementioned railtour, but Saltley crews were happy to take them onto the LSWR mainline
Cheers
Paul

That's really interesting stuff. Might have to get one after all!
regards
Bob

J.A.M. Vaughan's Diesels on the Southern has a four images of 40s as follows:

D217 at Folkestone Harbour, 23 July 1968 '...probably with a troop train'

D326 at Ocean Terminal, Southampton 20th May 1967 on a Liverpool Lime Street to Southampton (worked throughout).

D317 between Michelever and Basingstoke, 3rd July 1967 with an inter-regional parcels working.

40 173 at Portsmouth Harbour, February 1978 with a DAA/D&EG charter (whatever that means).
Title: Re: Bachmann Class 40
Post by: Bob G on November 05, 2017, 07:56:48 PM
I've just ordered Mauretania! I always had a soft spot for disc 40s and I might re-spray the noses full yellow ends as she carried in about 1968-72 ish.
Then I can run her in either period I model and not feel too bad about it!

Has anyone looked to see if the noses are separate parts ,and if they are at all removable?
That would give a neat edge.

Suddenly excited.
Bob
Title: Re: Bachmann Class 40
Post by: chris86200 on November 05, 2017, 08:42:40 PM
the daa charter referred to was long time ago


Railway Magazine, which rang up the organisers to find out. This required a bit of quick thinking on their part, and they came up with Diesel Abatement Association

The organisers were the Special Traffic Section of the Divisional Manager's Office, Essex House, Croydon, and, with two manned buffet/griddle counters on board,

another company came up with :

Room 84 was responsible for organising some of these trains, having an excellent relationship with the various organisers who decided that Room 84 should also take part in this activity and created another grouping (complete with bank account) which  was given the name DAA (Diesel Abatement Association).

In fact it stood for "Daft as Anything" (or something similar) but a number of special trains ran with the "DAA" headboard dutifully carried.

The exact origin of the term "DAA" has not yet been confirmed but is presently believed to have originated in pre-Room 84 days when the offices were located at Redhill, a location selected to move personnel out of London during World War II.

however poularity says

its  a term coined by the Southern Region of British Rail (UK) in the 1980's as an abbreviation for "Daft As A** eholes which in terms refers to gricers, cranks and those at the extreme end of railway enthusiasts.

DAA special aka crankex - a railtour orientated at enthusiasts wanting to travel on a particular, perhaps unusual railway route and /or with odd traction compared to a more traditional day-out excursion

hence the class 40 at pompey
Title: Re: Bachmann Class 40
Post by: Newportnobby on November 06, 2017, 09:32:21 AM

Has anyone looked to see if the noses are separate parts ,and if they are at all removable?



@Bob G (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=1517)
Nothing is shown in the instructions but there is definitely a join there so I'd say the noses can be removed, like my latest incarnation of the class 37 and I know they are removable (please don't ask how I know :-[)
Title: Re: Bachmann Class 40
Post by: robert shrives on November 06, 2017, 05:01:13 PM
hi
Certainly removeble held in with a little glue on lugs at bottom and lighting bares on sprung contacts, but two small wires also fitted - Spotted the othernight whilst viewing a model at the club.
Robert 
Title: Re: Bachmann Class 40
Post by: joe cassidy on November 10, 2017, 06:20:46 PM
Hi All.

Does anyone know whether the headcode discs in the bits bag are a press fit, or do they have to be glued on ?

Thanks in advance.

Best regards,


Joe
Title: Re: Bachmann Class 40
Post by: Pete @ EGLM on November 11, 2017, 12:26:46 AM
They seem to be a press fit

Pete @ EGLM
Title: Re: Bachmann Class 40
Post by: joe cassidy on November 11, 2017, 10:01:43 AM
Thanks Pete.

I'll have a go at fitting them tomorrow.

Best regards,


Joe
Title: Re: Bachmann Class 40
Post by: Railwaygun on November 13, 2017, 01:26:26 PM
Model rail ( December) has a good review but claims a 6 pin DCC socket is fitted ( although picture shows a NEXT18 socket! )
Title: Re: Bachmann Class 40
Post by: Newportnobby on November 13, 2017, 01:38:15 PM
December's Railway Modeller states it's a Next18 socket
Title: Re: Bachmann Class 40
Post by: RichardBattersby on November 13, 2017, 01:41:24 PM
I've decided I'm buying the sound version. Is the Class 108 DMU a Next18 chip?
Title: Re: Bachmann Class 40
Post by: 37058 on November 13, 2017, 03:14:13 PM
The 40 is defiantly Next18 ready. This is Farish's first loco to be DCC Next18 ready. Having had one apart on the workbench the other week for a customer, for renumbering and a little weathering. Also the headcode disks don't just push straight in. The holes need opening up ever so slightly, for them to be a nice push fit. A little glue on the end also helps...

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/58/90-131117151248.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=58090)

Cheers
Anthony
Title: Re: Bachmann Class 40
Post by: joe cassidy on November 16, 2017, 11:47:06 AM
I fitted the head code discs to my Mauritania today.

I removed the couplings beforehand.

I used thin strips of masking tape about 3mm wide as "chemical tweezers" to manipulate the discs and insert the pegs on the back into the holes provided. I didn't use glue and there was no need to open out the holes.

I had some difficulty in seeing the difference between the upper half and lower half closed discs - use a magnifying glass.

The loco looks a whole lot better with the discs - the ends are now less drab with 2 full open white discs.

Unfortunately there was some collateral damage. I dislodged one of the sand pipes on the bogies.

Does anyone have any advice on how to reattach this ?

Thanks in advance.

Best regards,


Joe
Title: Re: Bachmann Class 40
Post by: Newportnobby on November 16, 2017, 02:32:53 PM
I fitted the head code discs to my Mauritania today.


Quite fancy doing mine and other diesels but I don't want to limit myself to 2 end uses.
There are maybe 7 different codes I'd want to use :hmmm:
Title: Re: Bachmann Class 40
Post by: robert shrives on November 16, 2017, 03:13:00 PM
I guess if you drill out peg holes and use tacky wax you can change to suit train. I did muse on RE magnets but I suspect a little large to glue on back of disk - just need a shim of steel on the inside of the nose.

Robert
Title: Re: Bachmann Class 40
Post by: Delboy on November 16, 2017, 04:32:41 PM
Robert,
Would these magnets be suitable?

https://www.first4magnets.com/circular-disc-rod-magnets-c34/2mm-dia-x-0-5mm-thick-n42-neodymium-magnet-0-06kg-pull-p3546#ps_1-495 (https://www.first4magnets.com/circular-disc-rod-magnets-c34/2mm-dia-x-0-5mm-thick-n42-neodymium-magnet-0-06kg-pull-p3546#ps_1-495)

Dennis.
Title: Re: Bachmann Class 40
Post by: Roy L S on November 16, 2017, 08:11:24 PM
I've decided I'm buying the sound version. Is the Class 108 DMU a Next18 chip?

No, it has a 6 pin socket.

Regards

Roy
Title: Re: Bachmann Class 40
Post by: joe cassidy on November 16, 2017, 08:30:13 PM
This is Farish's first loco to be DCC Next18 ready. Having had one apart on the workbench the other week for a customer, for renumbering and a little weathering.

Hi Anthony. It looks like you've painted those 2 round grilles on the nose with brass coloured paint. Are these the grilles for the horns ?

Thanks in advance.

Best regards,


Joe
Title: Re: Bachmann Class 40
Post by: Skyline2uk on November 16, 2017, 08:43:51 PM
They are indeed horn grills.

Not sure if D200 is unique with those colours, will let other more knowledgeable folk comment.

Skyline2uk
Title: Re: Bachmann Class 40
Post by: lil chris on November 17, 2017, 05:47:11 PM
I have read the review of these and been to my local shop to have look. He had the green one in stock but he had sold one and the customer had told him it was a bad runner. He was bringing it back to swap for another he had which he showed me. We tested that on his dc track and it kept stopping,it looked like a mechanical fault. So I would check carefully if you buy one and make sure itís a good runner,pity I nearly bought one.
Title: Re: Bachmann Class 40
Post by: Bob G on November 17, 2017, 05:58:18 PM
Mine is sweet as a nut, so I think you were unlucky.

As for the brass surrounds to the horns, they seem to be variable. Possibly they were brass when build and got dirty, and were then painted green when they went in for overhaul?

Bob



Title: Re: Bachmann Class 40
Post by: Delboy on November 17, 2017, 06:02:43 PM
Although a brand new loco aught to run ok out of the box it is always prudent to check asap.
My advice is donít let one poor runner put you off.
My Class 40 with sound is excellent and I am glad I bought it.
Dennis
Title: Re: Bachmann Class 40
Post by: joe cassidy on November 17, 2017, 06:12:31 PM
I bought mine from Rails of Sheffield. They tested it before despatch.

I'm very happy with mine. It really looks like real thing, judging by b & w photos I have seen.

Best regards,


Joe
Title: Re: Bachmann Class 40
Post by: martyn on November 17, 2017, 07:19:33 PM
The brass grilles for the airhorns were not unique to D200-at least D208 had them as well-colour photo at Grantham in September 1958. Probably as you say, a standard fitting that rapidly weathered and then at overhaul were painted over.

There is some evidence on a colour photo of D352 in 9/61 that the brass was weathered but unpainted at that date. I can't tell from most b+w photos if they are still brass finish or not.

I think at least some-but not all-of the first ten had a small ladder on the driver's side on the nose front-a B+W photo of D203 in 7/60 shows the brass grilles and the ladder. A photo of allegedly D308 also shows a ladder.

Martyn
Title: Re: Bachmann Class 40
Post by: Shropshire Lad on November 20, 2017, 01:25:13 PM
Well the centre headcode green 40 is showing as available on the Bachmann site as of today. I wonder what's going on with the blue versions, one of which was supposedly incoming along with the first green one.
Title: Re: Bachmann Class 40
Post by: midsummerend on November 20, 2017, 03:15:44 PM
The model shown in the photo is as preserved D200 done for my new Empress Road Sheds layout...

It is a wonderful loco, spent a day running around Seagle Bay yesterday at Shoeburyness show.

It will be on Apa Park and Moorside Valley Railway's this weekend at Warley if you want to see it.

Regards

Steven

They are indeed horn grills.

Not sure if D200 is unique with those colours, will let other more knowledgeable folk comment.

Skyline2uk
Title: Re: Bachmann Class 40
Post by: 37058 on November 20, 2017, 03:19:38 PM
The brass grilles for the airhorns were not unique to D200-at least D208 had them as well-colour photo at Grantham in September 1958. Probably as you say, a standard fitting that rapidly weathered and then at overhaul were painted over.

There is some evidence on a colour photo of D352 in 9/61 that the brass was weathered but unpainted at that date. I can't tell from most b+w photos if they are still brass finish or not.

I think at least some-but not all-of the first ten had a small ladder on the driver's side on the nose front-a B+W photo of D203 in 7/60 shows the brass grilles and the ladder. A photo of allegedly D308 also shows a ladder.

Martyn

Martyn

Maybe I should of pointed out that this particular model of D200 that I was commissioned to reproduce was in fact modelled as in 1990's preserved condition and not as built. Hope this clears up any confusion. Photos were supplied, and D200 carried brass horn grills at both ends. 

Cheers
Anthony
Title: Re: Bachmann Class 40
Post by: martyn on November 20, 2017, 05:51:15 PM
Anthony;

No problem, and a very nice job you did as well! But I had noticed that in my various albums that the brass fitting seemed to be the norm, and at least some were left unpainted in service-possibly all of them, at least initially (my comment on D208 at Grantham brand new, and D352 taken after a time in service). They are easy to pick out on colour photos, but generally more difficult on b+w, though all seem to have disappeared under yellow full ends. As ever, working from a dated colour photo is the best bet.

As an aside, I have a colour photo of as preserved D200 and D6700 taken at Stratford at an open day-the cl 37 also has brass finish grilles. I intend to paint the horn grills of my own 40 when it is renumbered to one of Stratford's- just hope my attempt is as neat as yours!

My interest in them is the initial allocations to Stratford from new of the pre-production locos-I have little knowledge of the production series, and all my comments are taken from studying photos or articles in my books.

Keep up the good work.

Martyn

Title: Re: Bachmann Class 40
Post by: Roy L S on November 20, 2017, 08:11:19 PM
Anyone else notice that the second green Class 40 (centre head-code and small yellow panel) is now showing as in stock at Barwell..

http://www.bachmann.co.uk/prod1.php?prod_selected=farish&prod=1 (http://www.bachmann.co.uk/prod1.php?prod_selected=farish&prod=1)

Roy
Title: Re: Bachmann Class 40
Post by: Shropshire Lad on November 20, 2017, 08:27:51 PM
Anyone else notice that the second green Class 40 (centre head-code and small yellow panel) is now showing as in stock at Barwell..

[url]http://www.bachmann.co.uk/prod1.php?prod_selected=farish&prod=1[/url] ([url]http://www.bachmann.co.uk/prod1.php?prod_selected=farish&prod=1[/url])

Roy

Yup, 4 posts above yours  :D
Title: Re: Bachmann Class 40
Post by: Roy L S on November 20, 2017, 08:33:17 PM
Anyone else notice that the second green Class 40 (centre head-code and small yellow panel) is now showing as in stock at Barwell..

[url]http://www.bachmann.co.uk/prod1.php?prod_selected=farish&prod=1[/url] ([url]http://www.bachmann.co.uk/prod1.php?prod_selected=farish&prod=1[/url])

Roy

Yup, 4 posts above yours  :D



Doh!

Must pay more attention...
Title: Re: Bachmann Class 40
Post by: Yet_Another on November 21, 2017, 10:22:12 PM
I've just taken the body off one of these to fit a Bachmann decoder. I was being very gentle, and it took a while to ease it off, but as the body and chassis parted, there was a soft 'plop' on the carpet. Five minutes of searching later, I found a tiny side window, which had not been glued in effectively.

As the decoder was held in place in the packaging with a little blob of 'white-tack', I used a tiny piece of this to hold the window in place when put back. I don't think it can fall out while body and chassis are as one: there's not enough space for it to move.

Just a heads up.
Title: Re: Bachmann Class 40
Post by: lil chris on November 22, 2017, 10:40:31 AM
Well I went in my local model shop yesterday and the faulty model has been replaced by Bachmann already. That's very good and the replacement is a good runner very tempted I must admit.
Title: Re: Bachmann Class 40
Post by: Delboy on November 22, 2017, 11:01:36 AM
Well I went in my local model shop yesterday and the faulty model has been replaced by Bachmann already. That's very good and the replacement is a good runner very tempted I must admit.
Go on Chris,
You know you want to.
Title: Re: Bachmann Class 40
Post by: Shropshire Lad on November 23, 2017, 12:36:47 PM
Rails are showing both green ones and 40159 in blue with centre headcodes in stock. Hopefully my local stockist will get a delivery from Bachmann soon!
Title: Re: Bachmann Class 40
Post by: Dr Al on November 26, 2017, 11:19:43 PM
A couple of comments and observations on the new 40:

- the choice of D211 with no panel, named and with electrification warning flashes seems an odd one, and really narrows down the timescale of usage of this model - they were not built with the flashes and would soon have got the yellow panels thereafter. This tallies with Bachmann's general choice of releasing the most obscure prototype first.

- with the above in mind, the printed names come off very easily. Perhaps too easily - literally a rub with a cotton bud touched in white spirit took them away - nice if you are renumbering, but I suspect there'll be a fair few of these turning up secondhand in the future years with worn paint, numbers etc.

- Bachmann have reverted to a standard design NEM coupler (finally) rather than the odd apparently non-standard v-ended shaped ones they've used for the last few years (why? they aren't compatable with anything else!).

- The loco has white nylon gears, here's hoping that means no splits in years to come:

- I found the headcode discs push fit fine, which is nice as it allows them to be changed about in future (for D211 I doubt anything other than express passenger is really suitable in most cases). They seem just tight enough but not too tight.

- The loco-bogie gap is larger than the real thing, but not massive or too obtrusive. Interestingly, dropping the bodyshell looks entirely possible as it's only supported on 4 pillars and the cab interiors, very similar to pervious 37s and 47s that have been easy to drop down. Not tried it, but definitely possible....

Cheers,
Alan
Title: Re: Bachmann Class 40
Post by: Bob G on November 27, 2017, 07:40:18 AM
I believe the noses could come off relatively easily, making a full yellow end green version easier to do - but in any case the join line is easy to see.
Then you can have a nice late sixties - early seventies model, or even a green TOPS version.
Title: Re: Bachmann Class 40
Post by: Pete @ EGLM on November 27, 2017, 10:51:47 PM
I tried to take the ends off my green one, but they weren't going to come away easily, and there is the circuit board for the nose LEDs behind as well, which gave the impression that the lighting wouldn't survive! I painted it in situ.

Pete @ EGLM
Title: Re: Bachmann Class 40
Post by: robert shrives on November 28, 2017, 08:09:38 AM
Hi Yesterday Hattons noted order processed for blue 40159 so hopefully retail therapy will be satisfied in the next week or so!
Have to check how easy to go 2mmfs

Robert   
Title: Re: Bachmann Class 40
Post by: NOE 544R on November 29, 2017, 03:41:27 PM
Finally got round to testing the one I bought at Warley and yet again the front directional lighting does not work at one end. Just my luck.. I wouldn't normally mind but at £118.95, looks like a trip to Cheltenham is going to happen  :'(
Title: Re: Bachmann Class 40
Post by: Shropshire Lad on November 29, 2017, 03:53:48 PM
Finally got round to testing the one I bought at Warley and yet again the front directional lighting does not work at one end. Just my luck.. I wouldn't normally mind but at £118.95, looks like a trip to Cheltenham is going to happen  :'(
The headcode lights didn't work on one end of mine on arrival. A little wiggling to reseat the body on the chassis got it working in a few seconds.
Title: Re: Bachmann Class 40
Post by: scottmitchell74 on November 29, 2017, 05:29:24 PM
Ah! So many things that can go wrong. I've got a 40 w/ sound on pre-order, and I'm scared to death that it will traverse the "pond" only to be dead on arrival.
Title: Re: Bachmann Class 40
Post by: robert shrives on November 29, 2017, 08:36:53 PM
It is fun this ! The dapol way has mini plugs that are a problem when popping the lid! And the fit of the lid and its pressure on the tabs the Farish way means a bit of play to coax into life. We cannot complain three much as we wanted light,sound and action ....
Hattons note my banger blue on its way - soon to be grimed and faded, hopefully I can convince the girl to go 2mmfs with wheels in stock.

cheers
Robert   
Title: Re: Bachmann Class 40
Post by: bluedepot on December 02, 2017, 09:49:40 PM
hi everyone

i've just been playing with my new class 40....  now moved on to look at the detailing bits...

does anyone know when the multiple working was removed from 40159?

also what about the port covers for the boiler exhaust?

i'm guessing that if i want it to be 1981-withdrawal in 1982 i need to leave the multiple working cables off and put the exhaust covers on but just want to check this out before i start....


cheers


tim
Title: Re: Bachmann Class 40
Post by: crepello on December 03, 2017, 09:45:59 AM
I'm not too happy about the white or silver handrails on the front of D369 which make them look overscale. All the photos I've seen of green 40s show these as green. Any views?
Title: Re: Bachmann Class 40
Post by: bluedepot on December 03, 2017, 11:09:01 AM
Heyday of the class 40s by Gavin Morrison has this loco with white handrails on the front cover

Also this pic top left on this page seems to show white handrails. https://goo.gl/images/aFkTQ4
Title: Re: Bachmann Class 40
Post by: CCGWR on December 04, 2017, 12:10:49 AM
Hi Everyone,

I'm drooling for the new sound one #40141 which is the only one not released. It says due October-November 2017 but still is not out, I think on the Bachmann website it says quiet a while away yet. Is it worth Pre-ordering it?

Regards Connor
Title: Re: Bachmann Class 40
Post by: eddief83 on December 04, 2017, 01:19:07 PM
Hi Everyone,

I'm drooling for the new sound one #40141 which is the only one not released. It says due October-November 2017 but still is not out, I think on the Bachmann website it says quiet a while away yet. Is it worth Pre-ordering it?

Regards Connor

Bachamnn wedsbite says December/January now, I would say so the video is awesome and I don't think any in the shops will hang around long.
Title: Re: Bachmann Class 40
Post by: Delboy on December 04, 2017, 01:34:43 PM
Hi Everyone,

I'm drooling for the new sound one #40141 which is the only one not released. It says due October-November 2017 but still is not out, I think on the Bachmann website it says quiet a while away yet. Is it worth Pre-ordering it?

Regards Connor
You won't be disappointed.
Title: Re: Bachmann Class 40
Post by: Railbank on December 05, 2017, 07:09:25 PM
 :hellosign: just received my 40159 today.

As others have commented superb model, ran straight out of box with all directional lights working and no jerking.

However my question is do they run a bit slower than other Farish designs, are they lower geared or is the added drag of a longer bogie and extra axle playing a part.

Ran in as per instruction sheet on Kato test track, dog bone shape, generous curves with super elevated cant, 414mm radius so way above minimum, powered using conventional DC controller by Gaugemaster - no feedback version.

Running in at 50% the loco was quite slow in comparison to other recent new purchases, 37 and 60 - never the less ran in both directions - no jerkiness.

Once run in did a comparative test on the test track which is just shy of a 6m run using a rake of 8 new type mark 1's

40159 at 50% throttle took 74 seconds to do one loop, 60057 (T/G Coal) - 34 seconds and 37422 (Regional Railways) - 26 seconds

Reset to 80% throttle; 40159 - 24 seconds, 60057 - 18 seconds and 37422 - 15 seconds

If my math is right the 40 does top out at a scale 85mph the others are obviously geared to run over scale maximums.

My test suggests that the model I have runs significantly slower at lower throttle settings i.e. 50% a long way off the pace, then closes the gap at 80%, but still significantly slower than the 37 & 60.

Has anyone else noticed this or is this a quirk of my particular model - as said lights wise and smoothness are A1 so don't want to send it back if this is how they are.

 :thankyousign:

Title: Re: Bachmann Class 40
Post by: crepello on December 05, 2017, 08:11:08 PM
40s were not in the Deltic class for speed, so I'd be happy with 85. Wasn't their max 90?
Title: Re: Bachmann Class 40
Post by: Pete @ EGLM on December 05, 2017, 08:21:29 PM
I've bought two.  They both run the same, definitely a slower top speed than previous offerings.
Are they not the first diesels to have the new coreless motor?  Is this what is making the difference rather than gearing issues?

Pete @ EGLM
Title: Re: Bachmann Class 40
Post by: Yet_Another on December 05, 2017, 08:31:19 PM
I agree regarding speed. Both of mine run slowly on the running in track. I thought the tight radius curves might have something to do with it, but apparently not!

I'm currently having a real struggle to get the body off the blue one to put a decoder in. The green one was bad enough, but this one just will not budge.
Title: Re: Bachmann Class 40
Post by: longbow on December 05, 2017, 08:33:44 PM
Based on Railbank's figures the top speed is more or less correct but the throttle response is markedly non-linear, delivering a scale 27mph at 50% throttle but 85mph at 100%.

That's curious as this (presumably DC) performance resembles that of a DCC loco with a speed curve enabled. I'd be interested to see the current draw comparison. Perhaps the lights etc draw a large baseload current? 
Title: Re: Bachmann Class 40
Post by: Railbank on December 05, 2017, 08:42:01 PM
many thanks for replies, looks like its a quirk of the new design, as said very pleased with my 40159 and looking forward to the sound version shortly.

trying to resist the urge to buy another. (somehow I think this may fail).

as per Longbow's observation, throttle response seems a tad sluggish at the bottom end, certainly up to about 60% on my controller, the lights at both ends are certainly bright, particularly the red markers. Above 90% the speed doesn't seem to increase any. I usually run on DC at no more that 80% on the newer Farish stuff.

 :thankyousign:
Title: Re: Bachmann Class 40
Post by: Dr Al on December 08, 2017, 05:47:14 PM
Are they not the first diesels to have the new coreless motor?  Is this what is making the difference rather than gearing issues?

Having had the frames off mine, the gearing looks fairly standard - it's not massively geared down, so must be mostly an effect of the motor, which is the first use of the coreless on a diesel. All previous comparisons are with the higher revving 3 pole can motors Farish used previously, so it's not surprising they are different.

Cheers,
Alan
Title: Re: Bachmann Class 40
Post by: crepello on December 10, 2017, 04:20:53 PM
One of my 40s runs perfectly on my layout. The other derails on points after a curve in one direction only. I've swapped the pony from  the good one and the front bogie still derails. I've tried several back-to-back settings for the pony with no luck. I've even run the offending bogie without any pony--runs perfectly. The speedo cables don't seem to be restricting the bogie swing. Running out of ideas now--can anyone suggest a remedy or should it go back to the retailer?
Title: Re: Bachmann Class 40
Post by: Dr Al on December 10, 2017, 06:20:24 PM
Check the pickups on the main wheels - they should hold the wheels centrally - if they are pushed to one side then it could be the issue, and a gentle bend of the appropriate sides should even them up.

This kind of thing can often be the cause of derailments or rough running over points on all diesel models, from old Poole Farish right through to the current.

Cheers,
Alan
Title: Re: Bachmann Class 40
Post by: Roy L S on December 10, 2017, 07:18:35 PM
Also check the sand-pipes aren't fouling track/pointwork.

Roy
Title: Re: Bachmann Class 40
Post by: Newportnobby on December 10, 2017, 08:47:36 PM
That's most interesting as I reported a similar if not identical problem in reply #78 :hmmm:


Having received D211 last night I ran it this morning to find it derailed on the first small electrofrog it came to in both directions. 'Strange' I thought. 'The destructions state not to try running it on curves less than 263.5mm (about 10Ĺ") and the points are 12" radius' :confused2:
It turns out it didn't like running off a small curve onto the point. When I changed it to run off the 2nd point in the fiddle yard all was well.

Title: Re: Bachmann Class 40
Post by: willike1958 on December 17, 2017, 05:49:08 PM
This proud owner of a new BR Blue Class 40 celebrated his purchase by pinging half of the bag o' bits to the far corners of the train room!! If anyone isn't using the multiple working jumper cables and sockets and would like to sell them on (or even the full bag), please feel free to let me know by pm.
Kevin
Title: Re: Bachmann Class 40
Post by: Ian Morton on December 17, 2017, 10:15:20 PM
I have to say this is probably the easiest DCC sound installation going.

(http://modelscape.net/image/mrg/Forty02sml.jpg)

Pop the top off (no tools, just fingernails) and purchase a Next18 DCC decoder with a class 40 sound project.
(This one was from YooChoos http://www.youchoos.co.uk/Index-Shop.php?L1=Project&Item=Class40 (http://www.youchoos.co.uk/Index-Shop.php?L1=Project&Item=Class40))

(http://modelscape.net/image/mrg/Forty03sml.jpg)

Take the blanking plate out and put the decoder in.

(http://modelscape.net/image/mrg/Forty04sml.jpg)

There is a speaker built into the body. Pop the body back on and that's it.

And here is the end result:
Title: Re: Bachmann Class 40
Post by: Shropshire Lad on December 18, 2017, 07:05:39 AM
I wish all sound installations were this easy!
The Youchoos sound project sounds nice but I couldn't live with the engine ramping up when changing direction. I had mine re blown with a Paul Chetter sound project from Digitrains and a colleague of mine who used to drive 40s for a living gave it 10 out of 10!
Title: Re: Bachmann Class 40
Post by: Delboy on December 18, 2017, 10:49:45 AM
Shropshire Lad
Is it expensive to have them re-blown?
Dennis
Title: Re: Bachmann Class 40
Post by: bigmac on December 18, 2017, 12:26:25 PM
i was trainspotting in birmingham as a lad all over again !
Title: Re: Bachmann Class 40
Post by: Shropshire Lad on December 18, 2017, 01:44:09 PM
Dellboy
They charge £15 for a decoder reblow, plus postage unless you take it to the shop or see them at a show.
Jeremy did mine at Warley in a few minutes. I'll do a video if you want to hear it first.
Title: Re: Bachmann Class 40
Post by: Delboy on December 18, 2017, 01:59:52 PM
Hi Shropshire Lad,
A video would be good please.
Dennis.
Title: Re: Bachmann Class 40
Post by: Shropshire Lad on December 19, 2017, 11:42:23 AM
Hi Dennis I'm obviously no good at driving and filming at the same time but this will give you the general idea.
https://youtu.be/vCkVzKVwKQo
Title: Re: Bachmann Class 40
Post by: Delboy on December 19, 2017, 11:53:59 AM
Colin,
IMO nothing wrong with your filming and that's very good sound. You mentioned you didn't like the engine ramping up when changing direction. Sorry to be a pain, but any chance of a video showing what happens when yours changes direction? Also do you still get an abundance of functions including station announcement with the Paul Chetter re-blow?
Thanks Dennis.
Title: Re: Bachmann Class 40
Post by: Shropshire Lad on December 19, 2017, 12:40:03 PM
Ah just noticed that the tail lights were turned off! The headcode lights came on when the direction was changed, accompanied by a hiss of air from reverser.
Not at home now but Digitrains or Paul himself will, I'm sure, give you info on the sounds included in the project.
Title: Re: Bachmann Class 40
Post by: Shropshire Lad on December 20, 2017, 04:46:15 PM
The factory sound fitted class 40s have arrived at my local dealer so it's a Merry Christmas for those who have been waiting patiently.
Title: Re: Bachmann Class 40
Post by: NeMo on December 20, 2017, 05:18:34 PM
40s were not in the Deltic class for speed, so I'd be happy with 85. Wasn't their max 90?

90 MPH. On a good day. Downhill. With a light load.

Cheers, NeMo

In their defence, their maximum power was something like 60-80% that of a Coronation Pacific, so needless to say, their record on heavy expresses isn't chock full of lively performances! But they were at least consistent, and runs in the 70-80 MPH bracket were maintained without trouble.
Title: Re: Bachmann Class 40
Post by: Railwaygun on December 23, 2017, 03:01:24 PM
see thread re difficulties in removing Class 40 body

http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=39617.msg478231#msg478231 (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=39617.msg478231#msg478231)
Title: Re: Bachmann Class 40
Post by: Rma on December 28, 2017, 09:38:16 AM
Can anyone give any advice on the bag of bits? Frost grills only for use in cold weather Iím guessing?! But what about the different vent covers? Period specific? Thanks!
Title: Re: Bachmann Class 40
Post by: NeMo on December 28, 2017, 12:15:42 PM
Can anyone give any advice on the bag of bits? Frost grills only for use in cold weather Iím guessing?! But what about the different vent covers? Period specific? Thanks!

This is one of those situations where you model a specific loco rather than the whole class. Some BR classes were pretty homogenous (the 'Westerns' for example) but others were ridiculously variegated (like the Class 25s) and there really aren't any hard-and-fast rules that apply in every case.

Last time I was at the Waterstones in Bloomsbury I picked up a copy of 'Diesels in Depth - Class 40' for a few quid, in the remainders section of the transport books. I'm sure if you hunt around you can get a copy of this nicely illustrated little book (MDS Books has it for £7, for example). While David Clarke's books do tend to dwell on livery details and skim lightly over operations, they are well researched with a decent amount of text. Definitely worth buying if you want an inexpensive summary of the class before you start gluing bits onto your loco!

Cheers, NeMo
Title: Re: Bachmann Class 40
Post by: davidinyork on December 28, 2017, 12:19:28 PM
This is one of those situations where you model a specific loco rather than the whole class. Some BR classes were pretty homogenous (the 'Westerns' for example) but others were ridiculously variegated (like the Class 25s) and there really aren't any hard-and-fast rules that apply in every case.

Try Class 47s for a really massive number of variations!
Title: Re: Bachmann Class 40
Post by: Rma on December 28, 2017, 02:34:22 PM
Lindi, NeMo - thanks very much :)
Title: Re: Bachmann Class 40
Post by: honestjudge on December 28, 2017, 10:36:44 PM
Just finished putting my 40141 through its running in stint and had a play with most of its functions. 

Its a stunning model. Everything seems to work and could not see a problem with the speed. Happy days :)
Title: Re: Bachmann Class 40
Post by: bluedepot on December 29, 2017, 10:55:57 PM
some footage of driver training / familiarisation with new traction type...


Title: Re: Bachmann Class 40
Post by: Dr Al on December 30, 2017, 12:30:47 AM
Some further thoughts on class 40s, after now living with two for a small amount of time.

Top speed:-

I've found this can be increased by checking for grease in the drivetrain, and that the pickups are not excessively tight on the wheel backs.

I cleaned all the grease off the bogies on my blue one and reset a couple of the pickups and the top speed immediately jumped up, and the current consumption dropped by 15-20mA - a significant amount when it was running on just under 100mA before doing this. I'll need to go back and do the green one now too.

Body height:-

The body can be lowered a smidgen (~15thou) very easily. It sits on 4 posts that rise out of the mazak chassis block sides. Filing a little off these, and removing the screwed on plastic chassis ends, and reattaching them with small washers between the plates and the chassis block allows the body to be pulled down by the washer thickness, and still clip on to the nose ends. This does bring the speaker right down against the PCB, so dropping it further (another 10thou would be desirable) will need further thought - I think it may be possible to remove the speaker, remove some of the mounting rectangle for it and refit to leave the full functionality present. Not been brave enough to pull the speaker out yet though! If anyone has removed the speaker or intends to, I'd be interested to see what's under it.

Cheers,
Alan
Title: Re: Bachmann Class 40
Post by: Pete @ EGLM on December 30, 2017, 12:34:32 AM
The speaker is held in by a not so sticky pad.  It fell out of one of mine!

Pete @ EGLM
Title: Re: Bachmann Class 40
Post by: Dr Al on December 30, 2017, 12:36:07 AM
Interesting - do you recall at all the detail of what was under it in the body?

Cheers,
Alan
Title: Re: Bachmann Class 40
Post by: Pete @ EGLM on December 30, 2017, 12:40:39 AM
There is a frame moulded in the roof.  The sticky pad is around the edge of the speaker and sits in the frame.

Regards

Pete @ EGLM
Title: Re: Bachmann Class 40
Post by: Dr Al on December 30, 2017, 12:52:16 AM
Thanks - do you think it looked possible to remove ~1/2 mm or so from the height of that frame and then refit the speaker perchance? Or was the speaker hard up against the curve of the roof (doesn't look like it would be).

Thanks,
Alan
Title: Re: Bachmann Class 40
Post by: Pete @ EGLM on December 30, 2017, 01:12:33 AM
It should be possible, I've taken a photo, but strong drink has been taken this evening and it's always such a faff to put photos on here!  I'll post it tomorrow

Pete @ EGLM
Title: Re: Bachmann Class 40
Post by: StufromEGDL on December 30, 2017, 05:22:42 PM
Dr Al,

Just had a couple of lunch beers with Pete...so photos are looking doubtful for today too..... 🍺🍺

Later,
Stu from EGDL

Title: Re: Bachmann Class 40
Post by: Pete @ EGLM on December 30, 2017, 05:42:58 PM
Dr. Al

As promised......

Pete @ EGLM
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/59/923-301217174103.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=59897)
Title: Re: Bachmann Class 40
Post by: StufromEGDL on December 30, 2017, 06:11:14 PM
😆😆😆🍺🍺🍺
Title: Re: Bachmann Class 40
Post by: Dr Al on December 30, 2017, 11:27:02 PM
Dr. Al

As promised......


Many thanks - very useful indeed.

Cheers,
Alan
Title: Re: Bachmann Class 40
Post by: Gyppy101 on December 31, 2017, 02:20:59 PM
Can anyone clarify how to access the bogie train gears on the Class 40?  I've now got he body off but can't seem to figure out how to get at the bogies.  Thanks in advance.
Title: Re: Bachmann Class 40
Post by: Pete @ EGLM on December 31, 2017, 05:37:40 PM
They will pull out, if you hold the side frames firmly and pull down from the chassis.  Avoid the speedo cable on one of the bogies(how do I know that....)

Regards

Pete @ EGLM
Title: Re: Bachmann Class 40
Post by: Gyppy101 on January 01, 2018, 11:45:55 AM
http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/Smileys/NGF/thankyousign.gifhttp://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/Smileys/NGF/thankyousign.gif (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/Smileys/NGF/thankyousign.gifhttp://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/Smileys/NGF/thankyousign.gif)

Many thanks I've now been able to achieve removal.
Title: Re: Bachmann Class 40
Post by: bluedepot on January 02, 2018, 09:24:34 PM
i have just been trying out all the sound functions...

i have to say it is outstanding!  well done to bachmann on this.  for 178 quid you've got to say it is brilliant.

the braking is inspired.  my ho european trains (i have esu class 66 and a ree bb 67300 with sound) don't even do that. the ability to apply and release the brakes is brilliant.  it takes some getting used to though.  I have nearly crashed a few times plus forgotten to release brakes before starting off again.

the engine idling / coasting / light engine mode etc. functions are really fantastic.

the only functions i won't really use are aws bell / horn (i'm not in the cab) and also station ambiance (i don't have a big station)

fuel pump and cold start very good as well

detonators too quiet though and no flashes!!


tim
Title: Re: Bachmann Class 40
Post by: bigmac on January 02, 2018, 09:53:55 PM
listening to the real things in the early 60's--in birmingham  some had low-high 2 tone horns--the sound carried for miles.  is this a feature on these models ?
Title: Re: Bachmann Class 40
Post by: Barry M on January 04, 2018, 09:26:40 PM
D369 fitted with Youchoos Next 18 Sound Decoder

https://youtu.be/Tty46SopWok
Title: Re: Bachmann Class 40
Post by: martyn on January 15, 2018, 06:47:18 PM
For those of you who think you need a long train behind a 40, I found a photo of D338 in green with three corridors (Mk1 at front, can't see the others; unable to 'blow up' the photo) on a train between Rugby and Peterborough in 1966.

RCTS website, photo MM00457c.

Martyn
Title: Re: Bachmann Class 40
Post by: Only Me on January 15, 2018, 07:58:37 PM
Well heres my new class 40, in as preserved guise...

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/60/1328-150118195431-606272029.jpeg)


(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/60/1328-150118195430-60627296.jpeg)


Thanks go to West Coast resprays for the stunning work and this is number one!
Title: Re: Bachmann Class 40
Post by: NeMo on January 15, 2018, 08:14:23 PM
Very nice. The white rims/tyres are particularly good!

I remember the mid 1980s railway magazines filled with endless photos and column inches about D200. I was never a fan of the class, so didn't really care much either way, but this respray is lovely, and I imagine yours will be the first of many such renumbering efforts!

Cheer,s NeMo

Well heres my new class 40, in as preserved guise...
Title: Re: Bachmann Class 40
Post by: davidinyork on January 15, 2018, 08:47:04 PM
How much did the respray cost?
Title: Re: Bachmann Class 40
Post by: Only Me on January 15, 2018, 09:42:52 PM
How much did the respray cost?

You would need to contact anthony sutton (west coast resprays)
Title: Re: Bachmann Class 40
Post by: davidinyork on January 15, 2018, 09:45:59 PM
How much did the respray cost?

You would need to contact anthony sutton (west coast resprays)

I might do, but it would be useful to know what sort of figure I'd be looking at.
Title: Re: Bachmann Class 40
Post by: 37058 on January 15, 2018, 10:35:41 PM
Hello all.

This was a re number using the Farish D211 model. The nose ends were re sprayed warning panel yellow and vertical handrails and head code disks fitted. The handrails were made using 0.3mm brass wire. Other details include painted white rims, yellow axle box covers, overhead warning flashes, frost grills fitted, silver buffer heads with grease patches and a general overall light weathering to depict her as running in the mid 1980's, when of course she was a bit of a celebrity on BR metals, hauling not only railtours, but service trains too.   

Unfortunately my website is currently down (long story) whilst I source a more reputable host, but if you wish to discuss costing then please feel free to contact me on westcoastresprays.2mm@gmail.com Rather than discussing prices on forums etc, I prefer the more professional and personal approach via email.   

I can also be contacted via my Facebook page, which is West Coast Resprays. Please feel free to like and follow me. I am currently in the process of building a new website which should go live in the next couple of weeks...

Cheers
Anthony

P.S. @Only Me (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=1328) She will be in the post tomorrow good sir.
Title: Re: Bachmann Class 40
Post by: bluedepot on January 15, 2018, 11:00:33 PM
looks very nice!!!  good job on re-spray.


i'm still having a few issues with short circuits with my 40s - but only on certain points.  i've adjusted and re-adjusted the wheelsets time and time again but it never seems fixed, just when i think it might be it shorts again! getting annoying.  they are fantastic models though.


tim
Title: Re: Bachmann Class 40
Post by: Luke Piewalker on January 26, 2018, 12:58:07 PM
Right, I have my D211. I have managed to remove the body by sliding thin card up the sides to help lift it away from the chassis.
How do I remove the bogies? I'm reckoning there are brackets underneath the PCB. In short, do I need to unscrew the PCB to set about things? I want to get in and do some degreasing.
Title: Re: Bachmann Class 40
Post by: Dr Al on January 26, 2018, 01:54:21 PM
How do I remove the bogies? I'm reckoning there are brackets underneath the PCB. In short, do I need to unscrew the PCB to set about things? I want to get in and do some degreasing.

No. Just pull the bogies, they may be tight, but should just unclip.

Cheers,
Alan
Title: Re: Bachmann Class 40
Post by: Luke Piewalker on January 26, 2018, 01:57:21 PM
Thanks Dr Al

I wondered as the instructions say to pull the bogies when removing the body. I'm always terrified of trying to unclip bogies that don't unclip...

 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Bachmann Class 40
Post by: Bingley Hall on February 08, 2018, 11:02:29 PM
Model Railways Direct have 371-181 D369 BR Green Centre Head Code Small Yellow Panel (18 in stock) and 371-182 40159 BR Blue Centre Head Code Full Yellow Ends (15 in stock) on offer at £93.50 which is 33% off the list price

https://www.modelrailwaysdirect.co.uk/locomotives-diesel-electric-n/class-40/ (https://www.modelrailwaysdirect.co.uk/locomotives-diesel-electric-n/class-40/)

Thanks for the heads up - very tempting indeed.

But I need to be very patient and wait for the blue discs and green syp split versions........or do I :D
Title: Re: Bachmann Class 40
Post by: crepello on February 09, 2018, 12:07:35 PM
Just in case anyone has derailment issues with their 40, I've replaced the pony at one end of one of mine with a Romford wagon disc wheelset of the same size (6mm) with the axle ends trimmed and filed with a cutting disc.   No problems now over one of my Peco code 55 curved points.
Title: Re: Bachmann Class 40
Post by: railsquid on February 12, 2018, 02:26:56 PM
If anyone is wondering whether there's really a gap between nose and leading axles on a Class 40, here is a nice side-on photo:

http://www.davidheyscollection.com/userimages/001-dh-class-40-wide-view.jpg (http://www.davidheyscollection.com/userimages/001-dh-class-40-wide-view.jpg)

From this page: http://www.davidheyscollection.com/page16.htm (http://www.davidheyscollection.com/page16.htm)
Title: Re: Bachmann Class 40
Post by: mattspencer on March 18, 2018, 01:44:53 PM
I managed to pick a sound fitted 40 from the shop at Bridgnorth, SVR yesterday. I'm very impressed so far especially considering the size of the speaker. Might have to look at investing in sound for some of my other locos.
Title: Re: Bachmann Class 40
Post by: Hearts1874 on April 13, 2018, 11:04:41 PM
anyone having any problems running on DCC

sounds work fine as does the lights on one end but no movement

i am a DCC novice first time i am using the basic DDC controller out of the highlander train pack

regards

john
Title: Re: Bachmann Class 40
Post by: Shropshire Lad on April 14, 2018, 07:11:31 AM
John is F2 switched on on your controller? If the sounds all work including the engine ramping up but it doesn't move then the brake is probably on!
Try reseating the body if you only have lights at one end, the contacts don't always,erm, contact properly.
Title: Re: Bachmann Class 40
Post by: mr bachmann on April 14, 2018, 07:32:21 PM
any split gears yet ???
Title: Re: Bachmann Class 40
Post by: davidinyork on April 14, 2018, 08:10:43 PM
Anyone know whether the centre-headcode blue one comes with a blanking plug for the boiler exhaust?

Thanks
Title: Re: Bachmann Class 40
Post by: Pete @ EGLM on April 15, 2018, 12:19:18 AM
It does...

Pete @ EGLM
Title: Re: Bachmann Class 40
Post by: Roy L S on April 15, 2018, 02:55:22 PM
Noticed that too, a proper job, they should be fine.

Bodes well for future releases and any re-releases of existing models hopefully.

Roy
Title: Re: Bachmann Class 40
Post by: bluedepot on April 15, 2018, 04:03:12 PM
one of the most interesting things about this fantastic sound fitted one is the brake function - I think that's how they should all operate in the future and in all scales.

a few times now I've spooled up the engines and forgotten to release f2 though so takes getting used to.


Tim
Title: Re: Bachmann Class 40
Post by: Newportnobby on April 15, 2018, 04:52:27 PM
I've noted with mine that when it's travelling round the 10Ĺ-11" curves you can see the brass contacts on top of the bogie :hmmm:
Title: Re: Bachmann Class 40
Post by: mr bachmann on April 24, 2018, 06:51:54 PM
any split gears yet ???

Bachmann have used white nylon gears which shouldn't split

careful , white gears fitted to early Backy USA loco's did not last as long as GF's ....
Title: Re: Bachmann Class 40
Post by: Dr Al on April 24, 2018, 08:01:53 PM
careful , white gears fitted to early Backy USA loco's did not last as long as GF's ....

It's already been reported that white nylon (used on some of the 3MT 2-6-2 tanks) have exhibited split gears. So they aren't immune.

Cheers,
Alan
Title: Re: Bachmann Class 40
Post by: Newportnobby on April 24, 2018, 09:45:23 PM
Slightly off topic but my later class 20 (371-033) also has white gears
Title: Re: Bachmann Class 40
Post by: mattspencer on June 14, 2018, 09:25:55 PM
Strangely on mine the F3 hi/lo horn has stopped working. All other sounds are correct? Any ideas? It used to work and I havn't changed any settings.
Title: Re: Bachmann Class 40
Post by: woodbury22uk on September 25, 2018, 11:37:06 AM
I'm not sure if it has been mentioned before but the Farish Class 40 is a contender for best N gauge locomotive of the year in the Hornby Magazine annual survey.

https://hornbymagazine.keypublishing.com/2018/09/13/hornby-magazine-model-railway-awards-2018/
Title: Re: Bachmann Class 40
Post by: Bob Tidbury on September 26, 2018, 09:17:34 AM
Again off topic but I recently had a non running  Poole built railcar chassis and that had two axles and three intermediate white gears split so even the early one did split though in the thirty years or more thatís the first time Iíve seen it happen.
Bob Tidbury
Title: Re: Bachmann Class 40
Post by: Dr Al on September 28, 2018, 01:32:53 PM
Again off topic but I recently had a non running  Poole built railcar chassis and that had two axles and three intermediate white gears split so even the early one did split though in the thirty years or more thatís the first time Iíve seen it happen.
Bob Tidbury

Uncommon, but not unheard of - I've seen a handful. Overall though they are generally still much more robust - fingers crossed this is true for those Bachmann have started using.

Cheers,
Alan
Title: Re: Bachmann Class 40
Post by: oreamnos on May 15, 2019, 10:41:48 PM
I'm sorry to resurrect an older thread, but...
I've got a sound fitted DCC one of these on its way to me (from Texas, of all places) but I will be running it on DC.
A couple quick questions (that I haven't already seen answered in this thread):  1.) Will it still produce any sounds when running on DC?  2.) If yes, what?

Thank you,
Matt
Title: Re: Bachmann Class 40
Post by: Dr Al on May 15, 2019, 11:46:08 PM
1.) Will it still produce any sounds when running on DC?  2.) If yes, what?

1. Yes.
2. Normally voltage related engine noise and startup. Basically the range of DC control is reduced, with about the first half dedicated to powering up the decoder. Applying higher voltage than this will start up the loco noise and you can find a settled zero speed level where the engines will run. Increasing voltage will allow loco to move off with sound engaged.

Cheers,
Alan
Title: Re: Bachmann Class 40
Post by: oreamnos on May 16, 2019, 07:25:27 AM
Thanks, Alan.  The loco arrived this evening.

With a DC blanking plug in, running on DC
1.) The loco runs fine.
2.) I didn't check the lights since I didn't reinstall the body for this test, but I expect they work fine because...

...With a non-sound DCC chip in, running on DC:
1.) The loco runs fine.
2.) The lights work fine.

However,
With the DCC sound chip in, running on DC:
1.) The sound works fine
2.) The lights work fine.
3.) But the loco does not move at all, even at full voltage.

So...
a.) I've read on this thread that the loco will not move on DCC unless the DCC brakes are released.  If the previous owner (it's a "Like New" second hand loco - and it really is "Like New" and nothing is missing) did not release the brakes on DCC before sending it to me, will that setting prevent the loco from moving when run on DC?
Or...
b.) What is standard DC voltage output from controllers in the UK?  Is it 16 volts?  In the USA (where I live) it is 12v.  Given that the sound chip requires a lot of volts just to power up and make sounds, I wonder if there is insufficient voltage here in the USA left for the motor?
Or...
c.) Is it a defective DCC sound chip?  I installed it in another Farish 40 and got the same test results as above.

The club I belong to runs DCC, so if it's "a.)" I will run it on DCC and release the brakes at our our next show (since I have no DCC at home).  If "b.)" is the problem I will just install a DC blanking plug for home use and reinstall the DCC sound chip for club running.  If c.) it doesn't really matter - to be honest I really just wanted the split head code body and the sound was just an extra that I've never had much interest in, except to amuse the crowds at shows.

Many thanks,
Matt
Title: Re: Bachmann Class 40
Post by: longbow on May 16, 2019, 07:40:51 AM
It won't be the voltage - 12V is plenty. Never heard of a DCC handbrake, but most decoders can be programmed to enable/disable DC operation. I suggest you get a fellow club member to check it over and reprogram it as needed.
Title: Re: Bachmann Class 40
Post by: Dr Al on May 16, 2019, 08:53:34 AM
b.) What is standard DC voltage output from controllers in the UK?  Is it 16 volts?  In the USA (where I live) it is 12v.  Given that the sound chip requires a lot of volts just to power up and make sounds, I wonder if there is insufficient voltage here in the USA left for the motor?

Yes, also DC 12V, nothing more.

If it's like new, it should have the DCC blank in the box - I'd fit that and see if the model runs on pure DC without the decoder.

Cheers,
Alan
Title: Re: Bachmann Class 40
Post by: msr on May 16, 2019, 09:59:41 AM
Another way forwards would be to reset all the CVs on the decoder back to how they were originally by entering CV8 = 8 with the loco on the programming track. This needs DCC, of course.
Title: Re: Bachmann Class 40
Post by: oreamnos on May 16, 2019, 10:28:41 AM
Yes, the DC blanking plug of the like new loco s still wrapped in the original unopened plastic bag.  I did run the new loco on DC after I installed a blanking plug that I took out of another Class 40 of mine and it ran fine.  It also runs fine on DC with another, non-sound, DCC chip installed.  It just won't run with the sound fitted chip.

Thanks for clarifying its 12v across the pond.

Matt
Title: Re: Bachmann Class 40
Post by: oreamnos on May 16, 2019, 10:42:52 AM
It won't be the voltage - 12V is plenty. Never heard of a DCC handbrake, but most decoders can be programmed to enable/disable DC operation. I suggest you get a fellow club member to check it over and reprogram it as needed.
Page 3 of the instructions for the sound fitted 40 in the section "Working Loco Brakes" states: "The brake key (f2) can be used to simulate 'brake testing'...f2 must be set to Latch [follow your DCC controller's instructions]...the model will not move in response to throttle movements but the engine power sounds will increase in line with the throttle position."

So now you've heard of a DCC handbrake!  :-)

Matt
Title: Re: Bachmann Class 40
Post by: longbow on May 16, 2019, 11:44:38 AM
IConsider me enlightened.