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Title: Burton on Trent in N2
Post by: RBE on October 21, 2015, 08:45:27 AM
Ok I'm sure some of you have seen my build over on RMWeb but others may not have so felt I should post here too. Firstly what is N2? It nothing new really but using 2mm association componants to build better track that will accept standard N wheel standards. What defines it as N2 though is that it doesnt just use code 40 rail set to the wide standards used by peco etc but requires the narrowing of gauge through pointwork to allow 0.8mm flangeways without having to reset back to backs. Having experimented with many combinations of standard I devised my N2 based on the diagram below. (Sorry, but you are not allowed to access the gallery)
(8.85mm gauge, 0.8mm flangways with 7.4mm back to back and 7.25mm check rail clearance)

Anyway lets cue Burton on Trent. Looking for a stopgap layout build somewhere in the midlands that realistically is able to provide a scenic backdrop to the N gauge stock that I am building up for Millers Dale in the 80s (see RMWeb) I inadvertently looked at Burton. The trackplan is simple yet with its small PW yard to the east provides mainline running, station activity and shuntiness into and out of the PW yard. It has what I need. Its also a real place so fits my new found love for modeling real locations. There are issues though but a quick flash of my modelers licence to the authorities should take care of that.

First up is compression, although the real location translates to approx 9ft in N its still too large for what I have in mind so the squishometer has been broken out of storage and used to reduce the trackplan into a 6ft scenic section. It has worked ok but will require slight shortening of some services i.e. 6 coach HST set for example. I'm pretty happy to do PC, TGS, TS, TS, TS, RB, TF, PC though to be honest.

Secondly, Shobnall Road bridge. The bridge to the south of the station was built in 1991. As my stock is 1988 based this could be an issue however to provide a scenic break I MUST model it. I can pretty much get away with all of my stock except for the class 45 however if I set the layout to span the period 1988 to 1993 then I can run all my stock and just use the old modelers licence for the bridge.

Thirdly the Silos in the adjacent yard. These also went sometime around 1988. I don't need to model these really but would've been nice to have them.

The track will be handbuilt track to the standard I will use on Millers Dale. The scenic section is 6ft long and the return curve boards are 350mm x 3ft to get the tracks to the rear 6ft long traverser.

I will add some layout pictures and updates later when I get to grips with how to do so on here.
Title: Re: Burton on Trent in N2
Post by: RBE on October 21, 2015, 10:01:53 AM
Ok a few pics of progress.

Firstly track work going down. Pretty happy with this so far. I've added MAS ducting using scribed 2x1mm plastic strip and fitted etched cranks with wire linkages to represent the linkages from the yard ground frame.

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And a couple of indulgent pics  of two of my latest repaints. Both need weathering yet.
First mainline blue to RF petroleum 60027 'Joseph Banks' using my own etched nameplates as the names arent available from Shawplan and pretty much guarantees individuality
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Secondly parcels red to intercity mainline 47550 'University of Dundee' again with my own etched plates and ploughs.
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And for anyone interested my almost complete  3D printed YEA perch. I will be doing a rake of these complete with chute and gantry wagons. Watch this space.
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Title: Re: Burton on Trent in N2
Post by: Zogbert Splod on October 21, 2015, 03:39:05 PM
"shuntiness"???  Excellent word - may I borrow it please?

Oh yeah, and, excellent pics, please keep 'em coming.....
Title: Re: Burton on Trent in N2
Post by: RBE on October 21, 2015, 03:47:27 PM
Haha "shuntiness" isn't copyrighted as far as I know. Feel free to spread the love.

Thanks for the kind comments. I will keep the thread updated, however I am currently on a forced heitus following a spine operation 2 weeks ago. Can't do much for long without having to lay down again. I plan to get back at it soon enough though.
Title: Re: Burton on Trent in N2
Post by: Newportnobby on October 21, 2015, 08:26:34 PM
I look forward to seeing future developments :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Burton on Trent in N2
Post by: Mito on October 21, 2015, 09:39:24 PM
Hand laid track, a labour of love! :) Looking good. I hope you get over your op soon and back to serious modeling. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Burton on Trent in N2
Post by: RBE on October 22, 2015, 08:09:15 AM
I would never have it any other way. I find the looks of the turnouts and the ability to produce flowing trackwork far too alluring. Once you do handbuilt you can't ever look at peco in the same light again!

I'm very much looking forward to cracking on. I have a show booked for next March which is going to be a tall order as things are at the moment!
Title: Re: Burton on Trent in N2
Post by: David Asquith on October 22, 2015, 09:51:33 AM
I like 'shuntiness' too.  Also 'flashing modellers licence' and  'squishometer'.  Maybe we all ought to print a licence out to flash at SWMBO, Her Indoors, The Domestic Authorities or any others in a position of fiscal control!
Great modelling too.

Dave
Title: Re: Burton on Trent in N2
Post by: Sprintex on October 22, 2015, 10:08:21 AM
Maybe we all ought to print a licence out to flash at SWMBO, Her Indoors, The Domestic Authorities or any others in a position of fiscal control!

Or preferably, as we used to say, "grow a pair" ::)


Paul
Title: Re: Burton on Trent in N2
Post by: RBE on October 22, 2015, 10:12:47 AM
Haha. Indeed to both. I prefer to use the licence to the know it all types at shows who know some crazy obscure thing that probably only 0.5% of rail enthusiasts would ever know. I am a bit anal about stuff it has to be said but you really do have to balance it out with common sense. Some people just cruise shows to pick fault. Oh well I'm sure that they'd be much happier if they could just enjoy the show! Maybe a licence with a profanity on it would work better!
Title: Re: Burton on Trent in N2
Post by: Sprintex on October 22, 2015, 10:15:55 AM
Ah the classic "wrong colour cows" type of person that you just want to punch ;)


Paul
Title: Re: Burton on Trent in N2
Post by: RBE on October 22, 2015, 10:43:46 AM
Yes absolutely. I find there is usually at least 1 per show over  a weekend. I don't tend to lose much sleep over it though. I'm sure I will get a few with BoT as I'm running a time period of 5 years stock wise rather than a set date. I'm sure when my class 45 is sat in the loop with a short departmental freight or in the platform substituting for a DMU on a local service and a class 60 steams by on the Kingsbury tanks they will soil their pants!
Title: Re: Burton on Trent in N2
Post by: GroupC on October 22, 2015, 12:47:08 PM
Top quality work there and an excellent idea for your layout. I love the smooth flowing track, very well realised. Proper locos too (and I see a blue 31 lurking in the background), can't get much better!
Title: Re: Burton on Trent in N2
Post by: RBE on October 22, 2015, 01:24:23 PM
Cheers. The 31 is a much reworked detailed and repainted farish model (not the new model) to represent a refurbished 31/4 loco. Came out really well. The bogies and underframe still need final weathering done but I only have one pair of hands and so much to do!!

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Title: Re: Burton on Trent in N2
Post by: Bartercode on October 22, 2015, 04:31:26 PM
If the standards you are working to really are the best then maybe it should become some form of standard, with gauges, official Templot recognition etc? Looks much better than the awful standards we have to put up with for Peco track!
Title: Re: Burton on Trent in N2
Post by: RBE on October 22, 2015, 04:46:29 PM
I agree. They are the best that I came up with that will allow our rubbish N standards to pass though based on the tolerances that the manufacturers over here allow. The NMRA standards say that back to backs should be 7.56mm min and if that was adopted by uk manufacturers then the standard could be made tighter. I considered back to backing everything to meet the 7.56 but I couldn't then consider it much better than making up something nearer 9.42mm gauge and doing a psuedo 2mm scale if I'm having to set back to backs all over the place. Also that then makes visiting stock an issue. So in conclusion a compromise where pointwork is narrowed to give nicer flangeways was adopted.
Title: Re: Burton on Trent in N2
Post by: GroupC on October 23, 2015, 09:17:24 AM
Outstanding work on 31445 I must say, very convincing. I may well have been hauled by that very one on one of my many Cleethorpes - Sheffield spotting trips as a "yoof". Thought they were dead boring and dull as ditchwater then but now feel very nostalgic for them, hence buying 3 of the new Farish 31s, to recreate the old days. Ditto the old 108 DMU's actually... my layout is all about the mundane.
Title: Re: Burton on Trent in N2
Post by: jonclox on October 23, 2015, 10:03:30 AM
Looks much better than the awful standards we have to put up with for Peco track!
Surely anything is better than Peco track?
Title: Re: Burton on Trent in N2
Post by: MinZaPint on October 23, 2015, 11:54:52 AM
That's looking good  :thumbsup: there must be room for the Bass brewery if you're going to be realistic  :beers:
Title: Re: Burton on Trent in N2
Post by: RBE on October 23, 2015, 02:20:34 PM
Cheers I'm pretty happy with the 31. I actually always quite liked them even back in the day. Photos are crueller than your eyes though thats for sure.

I will be having the old brewery as low relief in the back but it was alas closed as a brewery by the 90s. The large silos were gone around 1988 too which is a shame as they would have looked interesting behin the tracks.
Title: Re: Burton on Trent in N2
Post by: RBE on October 25, 2015, 10:06:42 AM
Quick pic of my motive power line up for BoT so far. I also have a 56 on the way!

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Title: Re: Burton on Trent in N2
Post by: Mito on October 25, 2015, 03:46:07 PM
That is quite a line-up. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Burton on Trent in N2
Post by: GroupC on October 25, 2015, 05:04:48 PM
Great fleet you have there... any chance of some close-ups? Particularly like the grimy Peak with its nose job.
Title: Re: Burton on Trent in N2
Post by: RBE on October 25, 2015, 05:54:05 PM
I need to take some close ups really but heres one of the peak. Roof fillers and side steps filled in, nose flushed and bogies narrowed. Even the body side graffiti with tinsley snail hand painted by the number. I really like this loco. It was built for my Millers Dale project but will be at home on BoT albeit at the very beginning of my time period (1988).

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The loco needs its handrails painting white still though.
Title: Re: Burton on Trent in N2
Post by: GroupC on October 25, 2015, 05:55:44 PM
Superb!
Title: Re: Burton on Trent in N2
Post by: 37058 on October 26, 2015, 07:49:41 PM
Fantastic modelling, and a location not that far away from me. So, am I right in reading that your modelling period is 1988 to 1993? I do enjoy seeing a good layout build with a set era and correct locos and stock modelled.

Will keep watching with interest. 47550 looks stunning by the way. You have made a spot on job with her. I am planning in 523 IC Mainline as my next Brush for my fleet.

Cheers, Anthony
Title: Re: Burton on Trent in N2
Post by: 37058 on October 26, 2015, 08:10:30 PM
I need to take some close ups really but heres one of the peak. Roof fillers and side steps filled in, nose flushed and bogies narrowed. Even the body side graffiti with tinsley snail hand painted by the number. I really like this loco. It was built for my Millers Dale project but will be at home on BoT albeit at the very beginning of my time period (1988).

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The loco needs its handrails painting white still though.

Flush front Peaks with high intensity headlights...Ruddy hellfire. Just don't know what it is? But they look lovely with a flush front and marker lights. Sorry :drool: I do have 2 Ian Stoate body shell kits for a flush front Peak that have been sat in my drawer for years! Seeing this is making me want to get one out and crack on. Trouble is, my era is 1994-1998. Would I get away with one...Nope :smiley-laughing:

Cheers, Anthony
Title: Re: Burton on Trent in N2
Post by: RBE on October 26, 2015, 08:15:02 PM
Yes the era will be 1988 to 1993. My other long term layout Millers Dale was set in June 1988 and the stock I had was to fit that period exactly however when doing Burton on Trent certain compromises were needed. Primarily the scenic break of Shobnall road bridge. It wasn't built until 1991 so I was forced to do a date range instead. Of course that had the advantage of some nice later liveries such as the one seen on 47550 (not 528, although I did consider that loco prior to realising that the boiler cover plate was wrong for the donor model (47474) and I'd already detailled primed and sprayed yellow before realising the error so a change in number was required) and also allowed me to run the class 60 which is a cracking model. I have 3 class 47s at present but I will have more thats for sure.

I love flush front peaks. I did the work from scratch on that one, no kits involved. I did consider selling it on when the era moved forward but I like it too much so the era just grew a tad wider to gobble it up. I think your step from 1994 to 1988/9 when the last ones went may well be a step too far!

By the way I did look through your thread a while back. Some lovely modelling and spray work on there I saw!
Title: Re: Burton on Trent in N2
Post by: RBE on March 09, 2016, 02:02:05 PM
A couple of pictures showing some progress since doing an N2 modelling demo at the Mansfield show at the weekend. I'm liking how this is going!

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Title: Re: Burton on Trent in N2
Post by: Shaun Harvey on March 11, 2016, 01:24:42 PM
Well I have to say I have deep layout envy. That is awesome. I might just go into my garage now and cry!

Keep the pictures coming...this is stunning!

king regards.

shaun
Title: Re: Burton on Trent in N2
Post by: RBE on March 11, 2016, 02:32:48 PM
Thanks Shaun, I have a long way to go yet but the plan is to get it finished before the end of the summer.

The first job is to get the board join sorted as there is no ballast onthe very edge and the primer is still very much evident!
Title: Re: Burton on Trent in N2
Post by: RBE on June 12, 2016, 12:06:33 AM
A little more done to BoT. Progress has been slow of late. This is the Normans Music warehouse and office as it was in 1991ish. Nowadays Normans has moved elsewhere but the building still exists on Moor Street.

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Also had to repaint this loco again recently as the varnish used had yellowed a little over time which I hate (it was phoenix pre thinned so beware). I managed to take the colour off trying to strip the varnish so pretty much had to start again. This time I finished her with humbrol matt clear cote which I find much more agreeable! Bogies still need weathering but body is now done.

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Title: Re: Burton on Trent in N2
Post by: Newportnobby on June 12, 2016, 10:18:13 AM
A little more done to BoT. Progress has been slow of late. This is the Normans Music warehouse and office as it was in 1991ish. Nowadays Normans has moved elsewhere but the building still exists on Moor Street.

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That's a smashing piece of work. Any chance of some close ups of the interior please?
Title: Re: Burton on Trent in N2
Post by: RBE on June 12, 2016, 09:21:32 PM
Couple of early pics during construction. I did a fair bit of tidying on the finished model.

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Title: Re: Burton on Trent in N2
Post by: Newportnobby on June 12, 2016, 09:38:14 PM
Thanks very much for those - they're excellent. Well done!
Title: Re: Burton on Trent in N2
Post by: Caz on June 13, 2016, 08:50:46 AM
Lovely internal modelling, something a lot of us forego including me except on the odd occasion, although all my coaching stock does have passengers I'm pleased to say.
Title: Re: Burton on Trent in N2
Post by: RBE on June 13, 2016, 09:14:58 AM
To be honest in N gauge unless lighting the inside there isn't often any need to model inside buildings as they just look dark and you never see them. This one however is cut through at the leading edge of the baseboard. Rather than just making the building cut through as a black face I thought a view inside the building would be more interesting.
Title: Re: Burton on Trent in N2
Post by: Bob Tidbury on June 13, 2016, 09:19:36 AM
I wish I had your patience and capability that sort of thing is far to fiddly for my old fingers .I used to be able to take a Farish chassis to bits clean and fit new brushes and springs in about twenty minutes ,it now takes me longer than that to take one to bits ,and I definately won't attempt any of the new type Locos they are far to delicate.
Well done that's true modelling and detailing .
Bob
Title: Re: Burton on Trent in N2
Post by: RBE on June 13, 2016, 09:26:20 AM
Thanks for that Bob. I too am sure that I will end up finding it difficult as the years go on. Luckily my eyes and fingers are still in perfect working order. When that day comes there is always the larger scales I suppose but even then you just add finer details.
Title: Re: Burton on Trent in N2
Post by: Suddaby on June 13, 2016, 07:42:31 PM
Hi,

Been following this here and on RMWeb, really like the look of the trackwork. Did you get any track gauges made, and if so where?

Finally, just wondered if you had any exhibition appearances planned?

Thanks for posting,

Kevin
Title: Re: Burton on Trent in N2
Post by: belstone on June 13, 2016, 08:40:17 PM
Interesting idea N2, I'd thought about trying to get better running with NEM profile wheels but it never occurred to me to narrow the gauge slightly through the crossings.  Are there other N2 modellers out there, or is it just you?

Richard
Title: Re: Burton on Trent in N2
Post by: RBE on June 13, 2016, 09:15:25 PM
I never had any gauges made but ended up fabricating a flat one from brass strip using very careful filing and a 2 decimal point digital caliper. Not ideal but works. As for N2 there are a few people that have used the gauge narrowing technique but none that have produced a replicatable standard for working to. Generally just eyeballs and a few wagons to test with. My standards are to hopefully take out the guesswork and ensure that the RTR stock will run through regardless (provided that the wheels are not wildly out of b2b gauge for standard N) so far it has worked without fail. The running qualities are vastly improved with no wobble observed when traversing the crossing. In fact you can barely feel it if at all on most points when guiding through with a finger. That is by far one of the greatest asset's of this way of building track alongside the obvious visual improvement.

So far the layout is booked for Mansfield in March and Lichfield in September next year and hopefully DEMU as well in June/July but that one depends on progress over the next few months to convince John it will be ready, which it will of course.

I am open to more bookings though. It will be nice to get a good crack at several shows next year.
Title: Re: Burton on Trent in N2
Post by: RBE on May 12, 2017, 08:31:39 AM
A few more tasters as I rush to get the layout done for the Lichfield show in September!

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Title: Re: Burton on Trent in N2
Post by: RBE on September 01, 2017, 01:24:54 PM
A few more progress pics! getting close to the exhibition now and lots still to do!! :confused1:

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Title: Re: Burton on Trent in N2
Post by: njee20 on September 01, 2017, 02:24:41 PM
Have been watching this on RMWeb Cav, and it's mighty impressive. I do like your design for N2, and it certainly looks the part, with none of the faff of re-wheeling everything.
Title: Re: Burton on Trent in N2
Post by: RBE on September 01, 2017, 10:45:31 PM
Thanks. Yes it does make a hell of a difference I think.
Title: Re: Burton on Trent in N2
Post by: 37058 on September 02, 2017, 10:44:47 AM
Stunning, just simply stunning. Can't wait to see BoT in the flesh Cav.

Cheers
Anthony
Title: Re: Burton on Trent in N2
Post by: willike1958 on September 02, 2017, 11:53:06 AM
The N2 concept appears to have really paid dividends and excellent modelling more generally. Well done.
Kevin
Title: Re: Burton on Trent in N2
Post by: RBE on June 09, 2018, 04:45:54 PM
Been a while since I've posted here but heres a few pictures from the recent DEMU exhibition.

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(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/66/3312-090618164415.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=66245)

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(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/66/3312-090618164535.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=66247)

Enjoy!
Title: Re: Burton on Trent in N2
Post by: GreyWolf on June 09, 2018, 05:20:27 PM
Excellent layout!  :heart2: Loving how the 'closed road' under the lines goes into the back scene! Thanks for sharing.

Cheers  :beers:
Title: Re: Burton on Trent in N2
Post by: Papyrus on June 09, 2018, 05:39:18 PM
I've not tripped over this thread before - what excellent modelling! My standards aren't as exacting as yours and I would never have the patience to make my own track.

Any chance of some video to see it all in action for those of us too far away to see it at an exhibition?

Cheers,

Chris
Title: Re: Burton on Trent in N2
Post by: RailGooner on June 09, 2018, 06:04:36 PM
Crazily good modelling! :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Burton on Trent in N2
Post by: RBE on June 10, 2018, 10:28:18 AM
Thanks guys. The layout won't be out and about until next year now but I have a fair few shows booked for 2019.

As for videos, your wish is my command.





Title: Re: Burton on Trent in N2
Post by: tutenkhamunsleeping on June 10, 2018, 01:15:54 PM
'triffic stuff :thankyousign:
Title: Re: Burton on Trent in N2
Post by: RBE on June 12, 2018, 09:40:30 AM
A little treat with sound edited on. I really need to fit sound I think!

Title: Re: Burton on Trent in N2
Post by: RBE on May 02, 2019, 10:16:52 AM
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/76/3312-020519101441.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=76898)

Just a little picture of my detailed Poole class 31 heading a parcels set toward Derby.

This is one of the superb pictures in this months BRM magazine. If anyone is interested in reading about the layout I would suggest giving it a look and if you have any other questions give me a shout on here!!

Regards
Cav
Title: Re: Burton on Trent in N2
Post by: RBE on May 02, 2019, 10:19:33 AM
I would also like to mention that the layout will be out and about at Derby in a week and a bit if anyone wants to see it in the flesh!
Title: Re: Burton on Trent in N2
Post by: crewearpley40 on May 02, 2019, 10:43:01 AM
thank you for sharing this.lovely layout
Title: Re: Burton on Trent in N2
Post by: Gary Burcombe on May 02, 2019, 12:05:27 PM
can we have a list of all shows this layout is booked into please?
Title: Re: Burton on Trent in N2
Post by: RBE on May 02, 2019, 01:08:38 PM
 Currently TINGS this year and Mansfield and Licolnshire shows for 2020 so far.

I am open to further offers for 2020 though.
Title: Re: Burton on Trent in N2
Post by: Gary Burcombe on May 02, 2019, 04:42:56 PM
TINGS this year is good, I look forward to seeing it there
Title: Re: Burton on Trent in N2
Post by: DarrwestLU6 on May 09, 2019, 08:10:14 PM
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/76/3312-020519101441.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=76898)

Just a little picture of my detailed Poole class 31 heading a parcels set toward Derby.

This is one of the superb pictures in this months BRM magazine. If anyone is interested in reading about the layout I would suggest giving it a look and if you have any other questions give me a shout on here!!

Regards
Cav

Cav - that is an awesome photo - I had to do a double take when I saw it - it looks SO real, I thought it was a real life railway. The way the track and also the backdrop, buildings and clouds look, and the loco detailing - amazing!
Title: Re: Burton on Trent in N2
Post by: RBE on May 09, 2019, 09:06:22 PM
Cheers buddy.

The track makes a hell of a difference to the scene I find.

Heres a nice one of 47190 showing the trackwork.
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/77/3312-090519210510.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=77230)
Title: Re: Burton on Trent in N2
Post by: crewearpley40 on May 09, 2019, 09:39:46 PM
superbly captured,evocative of years gone by what with the parcels and the freightliner train - typical birmingham lawley street bound  - and well constructed buildings ! thanks for posting those videos - my type of era - see you at TINGS!!!  chris
Title: Re: Burton on Trent in N2
Post by: Graham63 on May 15, 2019, 08:59:06 PM
I spent a very enjoyable weekend at the Derby exhibition helping to operate an 0 gauge layout, we were next door to BoT and very nice it is too. I was very impressed by the operation with mobile phones, But I don't think my 14 Tesco phone will do it :doh:
Title: Re: Burton on Trent in N2
Post by: RBE on May 15, 2019, 09:04:58 PM
Thanks Graham! Had a great time there!

If its android it will work so long as you have a laptop, router and JMRI.
Title: Re: Burton on Trent in N2
Post by: Graham63 on May 16, 2019, 08:32:17 PM
My phone does calls texts and I think its got a camera. My granddaughter knew more about computers when she was three than I ever will. By the way your daughter must have won best operator this weekend. could I just ask what mods you made to the Poole 31 to make a 31/4. Thanks
Title: Re: Burton on Trent in N2
Post by: Glinting on May 18, 2019, 10:40:12 AM
Stunning layout. The track makes such a difference......

Alastair
Title: Re: Burton on Trent in N2
Post by: RBE on May 18, 2019, 11:42:10 AM
Cheers Chaps.

The Poole 31 as it comes isn't really anything at all. A bit of a mishmash. To do a refurb loco the the first port of call is to cut away the bufferbeam's so the cab is flush across the bottom. Some replacement bufferbeam's were then built up using plasticard glued into the bottom of the body with brass buffers added. There are then a few bodyside details to fill in, hand rail grooves to be cut by the doors and all of the front handrails to be removed to be replaced with wire examples. I also added the extra handrail on top of the nose and the washer ears either side. Its then a full repaint and a weathering job. the bodyside panel lines were drawn on with pencil and weathered/varnished in at the finishing stage.

The loco was then converted for DCC which although not difficult does mean some grinding and filing of the chassis block to fit the chip.
Title: Re: Burton on Trent in N2
Post by: crewearpley40 on May 18, 2019, 11:44:08 AM
did you convert the 2nd van eg the one behind the BG ?

thanks for the tutorial
Title: Re: Burton on Trent in N2
Post by: RBE on May 18, 2019, 12:17:21 PM
I did, its a courier vehicle.

The donor vehicle was a Farish BSK
Title: Re: Burton on Trent in N2
Post by: crewearpley40 on May 18, 2019, 12:19:45 PM
lookslike the courier vehicle which would have carried bullion, expensive items.looks good
Title: Re: Burton on Trent in N2
Post by: RBE on August 29, 2019, 02:44:45 PM
TINGS this year is good, I look forward to seeing it there

Just an update, the layout will not be at TINGS this year as apparently it is too expensive at 3 operators and small van hire.

I wouldn't hold out for anything good being there if that is to be believed.
Title: Re: Burton on Trent in N2
Post by: njee20 on August 29, 2019, 03:00:28 PM
I'm surprised to see James Street on the lineup given it's a criticism I've heard levelled at TINGS many times. Shame, would have liked to see it.
Title: Re: Burton on Trent in N2
Post by: Newportnobby on August 29, 2019, 04:14:42 PM
It has often been said Meridienne are tight wads, but that's a shocker considering the last visit I made there was a monstrous American layout which was not barely finished but hardly even started and which seemed to have about 12 operators. Just another nail in the TINGS coffin to my mind :unimpressed:
Title: Re: Burton on Trent in N2
Post by: crewearpley40 on August 29, 2019, 05:00:09 PM
Echo the kind words above. Please keep posting photos of the work on burton . A hard decision but you have many followers on the forum. Chris
Title: Re: Burton on Trent in N2
Post by: RBE on August 29, 2019, 05:10:46 PM
Thanks all. I will of course keep posting any progress pics. I have plenty more shows on next year, it TINGS loss.

Regards
Cav
Title: Re: Burton on Trent in N2
Post by: crewearpley40 on August 29, 2019, 05:48:50 PM
must also add i have forgotten to say the weathering is realistic on the locos, was it airbrush or dry brush technique please ?

certainly looks the part on the class 47 hauling the freightliner
and which product did you use please ?

certainly a future consideration for my own stock. chris
Title: Re: Burton on Trent in N2
Post by: Cooper on September 02, 2019, 01:05:26 PM
Thanks all. I will of course keep posting any progress pics. I have plenty more shows on next year, it TINGS loss.

Regards
Cav

Such a shame the main N gauge Show is so commercial that it only hosts layouts that meet financial criteria rather than show casing the best of N Gauge. (We had the same experience trying to take Deansmoor). If youd have been there Id have gone for another look, (loved seeing your layout at Trainwest) but Im going to give the show a miss this year and see if I mind not going. I suspect I wont.