NPN makes a good point:  a DCC fitted loco running on DC will require the knob turned up a bit more to "wake up" the decoder.

I've had a couple of bargains that way - a DCC loco for the price of a £50 DC model.

Pop the body off and take a look?

Magnorail - why is it you plan where it's going to be laid but the kit leaves you approx 8cms short and you have to spend nearly £30 to buy a 60cm extension pack 

As previously stated £100 is top end for a used loco. You don't say if you're using DC but could the loco be DCC fitted as, to get such a loco moving, it takes a lot of throttle 

Thanks for the replies. My big issue is the amount of power it needs to just move - it needs about 45% to very slowly move.

Are you running dc or DCC?

I once won an 08 on ebay, listed as a "slow runner". It was indeed a slow runner, but only because it had been converted to DCC and programmed to run correctly - even on dc.

Not everything runs like a scalded cat.

I have 2 class 22s and they both run very slow when first turned on But do get a bit faster once run ,But I think they do have  low gearing so they  run at more prototypical speed ,after all they were NOT express locos .
Bob

The only N gauge rtr concrete sleeper points I can think of are by Minitrix in their code 60 track range.  Even Kato Unitrack's concrete sleeper track has wooden sleepers for the points.

@HD why not use Electrofrog points? Better reliability especially if you do any shunting with short wheelbase locos on DC where you don't have things like DCC stay-alive available.  They look better too in my opinion They're no more difficult to use than Insulfrog.  I've used the code 55 track and Electrofrogs since the mid 90s.

For clarification, IIRC they do concrete sleeper points in OO, and its been so long since I have bought any, I thought they might have copied that practice in N.

Peco don't do any N Gauge points with concrete sleepers.

Regards,

John P

Quote from: HD on November 13, 2025, 02:29:20 PMPeco only seem to provide concrete sleepered points in electrofrog mode (Why?)

When concrete sleepers were first used, in the 1960s, the sleepers were just a standard track size, so all points were made with (longer) wooden sleepers. That has only changed quite recently (others with more knowledge on the subject will tell you exactly when) and so Peco only do a few points in concrete sleeper style.

HTH
Bob