Jeez, All I can say is 'ignorance is bliss'
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Quote from: Steven B on November 24, 2025, 09:53:36 AM

Quote from: Bob G on November 24, 2025, 08:26:09 AMIf I said I think you'll find that the separately molded wire roof drains (or whatever they are) at one end of the roof are on the wrong end of the buffet car, firstly, is that true or false? And if it is true, how much does that bother you?

I don't believe that Dapol have said if they're also re-tooling the roof.

They have said they are not retooling the roof. I think that the roof drain pipes (whatever they are) are on the wrong end, based on photos. But who am I but a southern modeller!

Hull Trains 802305 Humber Bridge no longer carries he monochrome stripes and now has the full colour versions.

Quote from: Bob G on November 24, 2025, 08:26:09 AMIf I said I think you'll find that the separately molded wire roof drains (or whatever they are) at one end of the roof are on the wrong end of the buffet car, firstly, is that true or false? And if it is true, how much does that bother you?

I'd say the roof that's shown on the current CAD is a copy and paste from the original release of the Gresley buffet car that doesn't have the changes made to the ventilator pattern as seen on the later diagram/build that survived into blue/grey livery.

I don't believe that Dapol have said if they're also re-tooling the roof.

It's all compromises - the HST and loco hauled HSTs share a roof in Dapol's world when in 1:1 scale they were different and the Mk3 buffet is neither an HST or loco hauled vehicle.

Dapol should have done better with the bogie positioning on the initial batch of Gresleys - they proved on the later runs that they were capable. As they've got the Collett's and Maunsell's right they've clearly improved.

I do wonder if we'll see any more coach types from Dapol - Mk2b/c/d/pullmansm Mk4 and plenty of non-corridor big four types to have a go at.

Quote from: PLD on September 13, 2025, 06:52:55 PMAn obvious but welcome development.

Will be interesting to see how closely they represent the variations - the TP 802/2 and HT 802/3 are the same externally but the interior layout is different.
The Hull Trains livery is also a potential trap - the colour band is different on every one of the units,so need to pick one identity and customise

I resisted the Revolution 180 in Hull Trains colours (hateful unreliable units), but could be more tempted by one of these.

The coloured bands on the Hull Trains 802s are different on each coach but the same across all units. The exception is 802305, which carries a monochrome version of the stripes and 21st Anniversary logos.

HT were really helpful in my Electra days and kindly sent the full artworks.

Quote from: Bingley Hall on November 23, 2025, 11:56:40 PM

Quote from: Cols on November 21, 2025, 03:38:25 PMWill these new Buffet Cars and BGs have the correct 43' centre to centre measurement? 

It's not an error though is it? It's a manufacturing compromise - every model has them.
It even happens in larger scales, but people just seem to pick their pet peeves and ignore others.

The "compromise" in the original maroon batch was simply awful in appearance. It was done to achieve the installation of a close coupling mechanism.

From batch 2 onwards the "compromise" was reduced by having a large notched recess in the bogies to allow the bogie centres to move out to (almost) where they ought to have been placed.

It's no different from the bogies themselves. Every manufacturer's rendition of Gresley bogies looks different too. Same as different eras of design of BR's B1 bogies and B4 bogies. And what about all the gubbins that is underneath a coach. Every manufacturer "compromises" on what they model underneath versus cost of production.

Personally I'm more worried about whether the model captures the "look" of the prototype or not. So Yes I did notice the inset bogies of the original batch 1 issue, but I'm OK with batch 2 onwards.

Now here's the rub. Today's question, if you like.

If I said I think you'll find that the separately molded wire roof drains (or whatever they are) at one end of the roof are on the wrong end of the buffet car, firstly, is that true or false? And if it is true, how much does that bother you?

Bob G

I saw that, much to my chagrin!

Quote from: Cols on November 21, 2025, 03:38:25 PMIf I remember correctly, the Dapol Gresley 61'6" stock has an error in the bogie centre to centre measurement (too short). (Minitrix apparently got this right.)
Will these new Buffet Cars and BGs have the correct 43' centre to centre measurement? 
Just wondering... or is an error being perpetuated..?

It's not an error though is it? It's a manufacturing compromise - every model has them.
It even happens in larger scales, but people just seem to pick their pet peeves and ignore others.

At the NEC show today there was a poster confirming the Avanti 5 car Class 805 will be added to the range in Summer/Autumn 2026.

Thanks for the contact info. I have most of the emails and will be compiling a spreadsheet with the timeline.