Quote from: Bob G on March 17, 2026, 10:52:50 PM

Quote from: PLD on March 17, 2026, 09:58:41 PMThe ones labelled as "Push-Pull Composites" are numbered as fitted vehicles (the others are non-fitted so couldn't be used in Push-Pull mode) The only visible difference was an extra air Cylinder underneath and a couple of extra hoses on the ends...

So if @Newportnobby Mick wasn't worried about the number, or looking underneath the chassis for (non-existent) pipes, then I guess he could just buy an unfitted third (second in maroon livery).

It's a funny thing, that. When they're on the tracks you can't see underneath

Didn't work for me either. Luckily my buddy still had his mobile locksmith job, so he swung by and programmed the cheap jungle site fobs and gave me a good deal.

Quote from: PLD on March 17, 2026, 09:58:41 PMThe ones labelled as "Push-Pull Composites" are numbered as fitted vehicles (the others are non-fitted so couldn't be used in Push-Pull mode) The only visible difference was an extra air Cylinder underneath and a couple of extra hoses on the ends...

So if @Newportnobby Mick wasn't worried about the number, or looking underneath the chassis for (non-existent) pipes, then I guess he could just buy an unfitted third (second in maroon livery).

Given Dapol are not retooling the roof for the refurbished Gresley buffet, I doubt they are making the chassis any different for the push-pull variants (but let's see, nothing's been said so far).

Bob G

Quote from: Bob G on March 17, 2026, 05:08:06 PMI'm confused as to whether a 3-car push pull set would have had two composite coaches, Mick.
On the southern they had two car pull-push sets which were supplemented at peak periods by an all second compartment coach. I would have expected that configuration on the Midland too. The spare would have been piped underneath like the composite, to allow the driver in the driving brake second to still have control of his loco. The non-corridor second would be next to the loco.

I don't specifically know why Dapol labelled one of the composite coaches as push-pull but I suspect it is just the number applied. You could probably just get a second class coach 2P-010-007 or 008 to make a three car rake.

Both questions answered earlier in the thread...
DBT-C-C formation certainly happened (the "Welsh Dragon" - the only named Push-Pull service - was this formation). DBT-C-T was most common for a 3-coach set, however Dapol haven't included a fitted Third in this first round...

The ones labelled as "Push-Pull Composites" are numbered as fitted vehicles (the others are non-fitted so couldn't be used in Push-Pull mode) The only visible difference was an extra air Cylinder underneath and a couple of extra hoses on the ends...

Quote from: TeeCee on March 17, 2026, 07:39:35 PMHave you searched Google? There are various posts with instructions how to programme a new key fob.

Yes and they do not work, unless you have a programing unit which costs £1000 plus it can't be done.

Geoff

Have you searched Google? There are various posts with instructions how to programme a new key fob.

Good to see a pic of 41222 on the 'Newportnobby'

Theses are scans from the Railway Magazine from August 2020.


















I'm confused as to whether a 3-car push pull set would have had two composite coaches, Mick.
On the southern they had two car pull-push sets which were supplemented at peak periods by an all second compartment coach. I would have expected that configuration on the Midland too. The spare would have been piped underneath like the composite, to allow the driver in the driving brake second to still have control of his loco. The non-corridor second would be next to the loco.

I don't specifically know why Dapol labelled one of the composite coaches as push-pull but I suspect it is just the number applied. You could probably just get a second class coach 2P-010-007 or 008 to make a three car rake.

Best
Bob

Like Craig, I did register interest but can't recall which I required. There is no tracking of 'expression of interest' unlike an e mail so only Dapol know what I wanted
Unlike the Gresley buffet coach and full brakes, I did post in that thread what I was interested in.
I appreciate it's a lot of work to contact eejits like me but it would help me enormously. Just for the record I reckon it's 1 x 2P-010-404 and 2 x 2P-010-204

Is there someone from Dapol on this thread ?

Please email us this information and also what we showed an interest in 

Craig