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Title: Barts End
Post by: 1936ace on August 05, 2012, 11:55:04 PM
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This is the track plan for Barts End. The main station is Zacton Junction after our son Zac and the twin main line shown in blue goes to the "north" via the small town of Mitchel(other son). From Zacton Junction runs the old main to the country shown in yellow to BArts End a once large rural town but track has been lifted to only single line as a lot of produce goes by truck, but still enough to keep the line open plus a good passenger service. From Barts endis the branch line shown in red to Lilyvale(our daughter lilian) which is a small rural village that is home to the Lilyvale colliery and diary. Also from Zacton Junction is the steep cross line that goes via the halt named after my wife Nicole but spelt backward as Elocin, works out well for the china clay quarry is there so ECC wagons suit fine- Elocin China Clay :D

Layout is DCC and luckily no reverse wiring needed. Baseboards are done and track started in Barts End so must get back to getting more track down, just bought stacks of cork rolls very cheap

BArt
Title: Re: Barts End Track Plan
Post by: Chetcombe on August 06, 2012, 12:10:49 AM
Looks amazing Bart - keep us posted of your progress!

How big is the space you have for your layout?

Mike
Title: Re: Barts End Track Plan
Post by: 1936ace on August 06, 2012, 05:25:03 AM
Hi Mike,
thanks mate, its about 5 by 4 metres. I built the room inside my garage to keep the dust and cold away as originally i was building a smaller layout at the back of the garage but as it also houses my 5"gauge trains and my vintage fire engine(british little trains, british big trains,british fire engine even have borrowed the wife from you lot :D collection), the old Dennis trucks are a bit old so i did not want the set to get dirty etc every time i kicked them over. i put in a window that looks out into the garage so it stops it from feeling clostophobic as i did not want any external windows for security, plus i can keep an eye on the old girls in front.
Anyway will update as it goes

cheers BArt
Title: Re: Barts End Track Plan
Post by: Pete Mc on August 06, 2012, 05:37:14 AM
Bart,that is huge.I can see why your lad likes running his hst round there.Lovely long run to stretch its legs.
Keep the work up fella.

Pete
 :Class37: :NGF:
Title: Re: Barts End Track Plan
Post by: 1936ace on August 06, 2012, 06:12:34 AM
Thanks Pete,

Yes he will be able to stretch tHe hst's legs out and come Christmas I will be able to give him a run for his money with the blue Pullman I have on order. I have the NCE Powercab and zac has an cab06 controller which he is very good at using. I'm hoping as he is going round on the main I can be running on the branch or old midland main. I'm getting a  third controller just in case a mate wants to have a drive or one of the other kids. I'm getting Nicole to do the back scene as she is a very good artist fingers crossed on those clouds

Do you see any issues with the track plan, I know Im not modeling any area etc but I would like it to "look"right, do the yards etc look right and I need some help to work out where signals are to go, I've got stacks of ratio kits to build and I though I try the colored light signal with the auto units from heathcote for a bit of fun

Bart
Title: Re: Barts End Track Plan
Post by: Chetcombe on August 06, 2012, 11:57:33 PM
5m x 4m is a HUGE space even for a garage. I thought I was lucky with about 3m x2m in my garage. I like the concept of a separate room, my space is subject to significant temperature variation - in the mountains of NE Pennsylvania it is not uncommon to get down to -18 degrees C in the winter up to 35C in the winter!

I like the way you have incorporated family names into the design and am also a fan of long continuous loops

I hope you can share some photos

Mike
Title: Re: Barts End Track Plan
Post by: 1936ace on August 07, 2012, 01:19:37 AM
Hey Mike,

Thanks for the kind words. Yes I'm lucky to have the space. The back garages quite big being 20.5 by 11.5 mtrs and it's two stores. The front section houses the vintage trucks the middle section has the train room and a room that my father in law has his racing cars in and has a open loft above for storage and the back section has the kitchen, bathroom and all is fully lined. As the train room is down stairs even in our hot summer the room is nice and cool and so far this winter no need to turn the heat on.
My zac who turned four last week is mad on trains and has a deltic dp1 and a host so the concept that he can play too is what I wanted, so I can just set up the route and away he goes. He is very good as the control and drives then correctly no slot stuff for this little guy, he even drives the 5inch loco at the club track by himself, but we are not allowed to let him drive anymore only on closed days with just our family as someone in the club had a whine,
I am enlisting the kids to help build it, good family fun I hope but I'm sure they do it to humor me sometimes as they stir me a bit.
I will post photos as I go to keep everyone up to date, hopefully some suggestions from the forum as I go. All the points will be motorized and will have little control panel at each signal location.

What I Ned help with is a suggested main station building for the entrance/terminal platform. I have farish market Hampton station buildings for the thru platforms but need something to go across the end of the terminal platform, are the met calf buildings ok, I'm open to help/suggestions.
Cheers

Bart
Title: Re: Barts End Track Plan
Post by: Chetcombe on August 07, 2012, 02:46:57 AM
Hi Bart

I have some of the Metcalfe station buildings - whilst I like them overall and have used them extensively on my layout, they are by far inferior to the Graham Farish Scenecraft range of buildings including Market Hampden (they are also much, much cheaper so you have to weigh up the pros and cons). I have used a rather grandiose "terminus" building from the Hornby "Lyddle End" range for a through station on my layout. Although I don't think it is still in production, I managed to find one from a retailer in canada who was happy to ship to me in the US. I am sure you could also find it on e-bay. The Hornby range is very similar in style and quality to the Farish range IMHO.

You can see the building on the near side of the platform in the video below. Hope this helps!

Mike

http://youtu.be/mrsJASiozX4 (http://youtu.be/mrsJASiozX4)
Title: Re: Barts End Track Plan
Post by: Pengi on August 07, 2012, 06:47:18 AM
Mike, this is brilliant work  :claphappy: Quite inspirational
Title: Re: Barts End Track Plan
Post by: Jerry Howlett on August 07, 2012, 07:00:21 AM
Bart, the use of the  :envy: :envy: is well deserved here. I have what I thought was a sizeablr room at 5 x 4 metres. Anyway re the Large Station as usual look at the Scalescenes one. I built it (not finished the overall roof ) but then thought it was too grand for my layout which is set in a smallish industrial town. I then played around with the building and created a three storey facade to prove how adapatble the design is. Might be worth a few of your Aussie pennies to try it.

Note the Fire Engines haven't moved then !

Jerry
Title: Re: Barts End Track Plan
Post by: 1936ace on August 07, 2012, 07:48:57 AM
Hey Jerry, no the trucks are still with us, although I have swapped them over so technically they have moved :D.
I might give them a try.

For Mike, I have used the east end station buildings and goods, loco water tower and sig box for Bart's end. Yes they are good and thought about using them but as they are gone I'd have to but local n
And they run at around the $75 plus mark.

I think I'll try the metcalf and scale scenes options to see how they look especially since they are priced right.

Thanks for the help guys and nice comments
Bart
Title: Re: Barts End Track Plan
Post by: 1936ace on August 08, 2012, 08:25:31 AM
Hey mike,
Don't want to lend me those noisy sounding locos to see if it works on the littles track :D
I like the three piece terminal building and the covered footbridge. I will go searching for them fingers crossed they may still be about
Bart
Title: Re: Barts End Track Plan
Post by: Chetcombe on August 09, 2012, 01:17:43 AM
Hey mike,
Don't want to lend me those noisy sounding locos to see if it works on the littles track :D
I like the three piece terminal building and the covered footbridge. I will go searching for them fingers crossed they may still be about

I treated myself to the weathered and detailed Warship with DCC sound fitted - it was pure indulgence and I am now a sound convert! I got it from Ian at Mercig Studios and it has inspired me to order some additional DCC sound chips for my two Farish class 108 DMUs.

Good luck finding the Lyddle End terminus. The footbridge is from the Graham Farish Scenecraft range

Mike
Title: Re: Barts End Track Plan
Post by: 1936ace on August 09, 2012, 04:05:19 AM
Hey Mike,
Yes it is a very nice loco, I wish I could have one. I have done the farish 108's I have with sound from Jeremy at digitrains it took me a whole five minutes to pull it apart install chip and speaker, test and put it back together. I let Zac who was three at the time install the decoder in the dummy car, he did it without any issues. And as I have said before the little guy gives the horn a good workout. I'm putting sound into his host next, then I will do the WD or 5mt, not sure which one to buy him and then I will do the blue Pullman when it arrives. As you can see I tackle only the easy ones, I so want sound in my 37 but I know it's above me so that is why I was hoping the new dapol 56 would be easy as it was said when first announced it was sound ready.
I'm laying cork today on Bart's end and while drying I'm finishing off the electrics for our 5inch gauge loco.
Cheers Bart
Title: Re: Barts End Track Plan
Post by: 1936ace on December 18, 2012, 11:40:15 PM
Having been slightly frustrated in not being able to get time to continue and with the prospect of moving next year today I did a temporary track so Zac can stretch his hst legs and I can race him with the BP.
We have done just the main line round the outside with is shown in blue in the track plan. Test all ok and is about 16 mtrs start to finish so I good run can be had
More later
Bart
Title: Re: Barts End Track Plan
Post by: 1936ace on December 20, 2012, 04:06:16 AM
A fellow n gauger visited with family for dinner last night and was keen to see the blue Pullman and while very impressed with the new model was slightly horrified at my quick set up of an oval around the layout board. While it goes around the wall it does have to " bridge the door way". It will in due time have a proper timber construction bit done but apparently a 10 foot length of 4 by 1 just laid over sitting on some timber off cuts and a bit of foam to get the height right is not good enough. Go figure!
Even more funny was seeing his face as the blue Pullman traversed the " bridge ".

Some people are just way too fussy!

Bart
Title: Re: Barts End Track Plan
Post by: Jack on December 20, 2012, 07:44:35 AM
Quote
Even more funny was seeing his face as the blue Pullman traversed the " bridge ".

Maybe your friend was worried about your Aussie dollars being wasted as your BP ended up on the floor in a heap of broken plastic and metal as it fell off the temporary bridge!  Nah!, you're probably right, just way to fussy..  ;D
Title: Re: Barts End Track Plan
Post by: 1936ace on December 20, 2012, 08:10:41 AM
G'day Jack,

Seriously what could go wrong. I used proper construction like the two off cuts of the incline risers were placed on top of the four blocks of wood and then the plank was sat on top and used high quality air to hold it all together. Just finished a good hour run, the four year wanted to play so we haveruntheblue Pullman, a top train headed by a 37, a goods headed by a 42, Pullman coaches with a deltic up front and zac ran his 5 mt with sound pulling heritage coaches incl the new ngs inspection saloon; a very spoilt little boy.
Bridge is holding fast and has even taken a few hits and is still standing.
Some people have no faith in engineering marvels
Bart
Title: Re: Barts End Track Plan
Post by: Jack on December 20, 2012, 08:22:50 AM
What's the fuss - that bridge sounds strong enough to walk on (but don't tempt Zac).

I must look out for that high quality air, that sounds like strong stuff  :laugh:
Title: Re: Barts End Track Plan
Post by: 1936ace on December 20, 2012, 08:39:58 AM
I must take a photo and uploaded it here, should get a few laughs and maybe the odd critic.

Bart
Title: Re: Barts End Track Plan
Post by: 1936ace on January 21, 2013, 05:36:47 AM
Hi all, feeling a little better the correct meds must be working and thought i might go ndown the back shed and see the trains and i thought i best do a photo or two of my not progressing layout.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/61/thumb_3386.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=3386)
Looking in the the window from where my two vintage dennis fire trucks live. the windows stop the room from being just a box and im amazed how much IT "opens it up" even thought it is inside a shed.
That temporary "air glued" bridge can be seen on the left.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/61/thumb_3383.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=3383)
Standing in the door looking over Barts end in the middle with the foam inclines(2%) leading it out of the valley up the mountain where it eventually just the new main near the door. And yes in know it is messy :P
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/61/thumb_3385.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=3385)
Sorry about the poor focus but taken on my ipad, show what will be the upper main level which is zacton junction. At the moment it is home to the two lines running around the room(across the air glued bridge, faller have asked for permission to use it,totally amazed :D) and a few siding to store the trains. The inside track is DCC and the outer is DC. In the DCC yard is a 108 with sound, 5mt with sound pulling heritage stanier coaches and the ngs inspection saloon, hst,dp1 and pullman coaches,37and a tpo train, a 42 on a goods and a lit up 121 bubble. On the dc track is my new blue pullman and a 3 car 101, 14 and a 03.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/61/thumb_3384.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=3384)
Shows the 121 arriving at the temporary zacton junction station with the blue pullman having just departed for mitchel.The narrow lower level is for the single track(shown dotted green on track plan) to allow me to get across from lilivale to barts end via elocin halt which will be served by the regular 121 service.
Having run a nice 10 coach train behind a 47 i now must rethink BArts end and make it 40cm longer to allow for the longer train, luckily i have room to do it so tomorrow track will be lifted and new baseboard built and bolted in place of current one, barts end will accomodate a large loco and 10 coaches with out getting in the way of access to the yard, other platform and the loco shed etc

Anyway thanks for looking  BArt
Title: Re: Barts End Track Plan
Post by: daveg on January 21, 2013, 07:22:51 AM
Pleased you're feeling better.

Nice bit of space you've got there.

Obviously good quality air mixed with just a touch of Newton's Gravity really works well.

Look forward to your next update.

Dave G
Title: Re: Barts End Track Plan
Post by: Pengi on January 21, 2013, 07:38:08 AM
Looking very good indeed. You BP looks good - well worth the wait?
Title: Re: Barts End Track Plan
Post by: Newportnobby on January 21, 2013, 09:43:57 AM
Very nice, BArt :claphappy:
Title: Re: Barts End Track Plan
Post by: 1936ace on January 21, 2013, 10:52:28 AM
Hey Dave,

Never thought of using that, what size bottle does newtons gravity come in :laugh:
Thanks Bart
Title: Re: Barts End Track Plan
Post by: daveg on January 21, 2013, 11:19:06 AM
Hey Dave,

Never thought of using that, what size bottle does newtons gravity come in :laugh:
Thanks Bart

Can't be specific but it should at least 1 Imperial Pint and contain a minimum of 5% drinking alcohol!  :beers:

Dave G
Title: Re: Barts End Track Plan
Post by: 1936ace on January 21, 2013, 12:02:29 PM
Hey Pengy, yeh love the blue Pullman. I pre ordered the first day they came on line. It has done a few miles now and I'm really happy about how the two power cars are evenly matched, no bumping or pulling away.

Expensive but so worth.

Next the Briton belle in 1969 blue grey, not my era, not my location, don't do third rail but hey it should look good and it has light up table lamps, very lar-de-dah

Hopefully it won't be expensive

Bart
Title: Re: Barts End Track Plan
Post by: daveg on January 21, 2013, 12:30:47 PM
...

Next the Briton belle in 1969 blue grey, not my era, not my location, don't do third rail but hey it should look good and it has light up table lamps, very lar-de-dah

Hopefully it won't be expensive

Bart

Me too but the other colour scheme. I'm reckoning on about 130/150 but hoping for less. Think we get to know next month sometime.

I've now forward ordered 3 more locos and it ain't February yet!  :worried:

Need my debit card shredded at this rate. Aw! Who needs to eat anyway?  :claphappy:

Dave G
Title: Re: Barts End Track Plan
Post by: Newportnobby on January 21, 2013, 12:46:05 PM
I'm reckoning on about 130/150 but hoping for less.

Dave G

I think you may be optimistic there, Dave.
The BP (albeit 6 car) was over 200. Let's hope for those who want the BB you're right :)
Title: Re: Barts End Track Plan
Post by: daveg on January 21, 2013, 12:52:52 PM
Yes, I did a quick rethink on that after my initial ambitious hope!

Still it is a 3 car job and the BP is a 6; isn't it?  :-\

I'll have to withdraw if it's over 150 as that's the pain threshold, in so many ways!

Dave G
Title: Re: Barts End Track Plan
Post by: Newportnobby on January 21, 2013, 01:16:18 PM
I don't know too much about the BB as it is outside my reference, but I reckon the 3 car would not look too good so would need the extra 2 cars :hmmm: ???
Title: Re: Barts End Track Plan
Post by: daveg on January 21, 2013, 01:23:40 PM
You could well be right but with a 72" long board, a 5 car set would look close to if not total overkill.

Dave G
Title: Re: Barts End Track Plan
Post by: Pengi on January 21, 2013, 05:03:32 PM
The Arnold ICE3 8 car train sells for about 240 in the UK but you can get it for about 179 from DM-Toys in Germany as it is on offer. The Arnold AVE (also a Velaro) is about 270 from DM-Toys.

The BB will have interior lighting (which the Velaros do not have). It would not surprise me to see a price tag of 250, maybe even 300 - particularly if this is going to be a limited run and a new venture (1:148) for Arnold. I hope that I am wrong - we'll just have to wait and see. This train is so iconic, that I expect BB enthusiasts to splash out for it whatever it costs.

I'm also keeping an eye on DM-Toys to see if their prices will be better than the UK - postage is 10 euros and free if the item is over 300 euros.

I emailed Arnold when news of the BB first came out. I've not had a reply from them :thumbsdown:
Title: Re: Barts End Track Plan
Post by: Newportnobby on January 21, 2013, 05:51:23 PM

I emailed Arnold when news of the BB first came out. I've not had a reply from them :thumbsdown:

Until recently I thought Arnold was Tony Blackburn's dog :-[
Title: Re: Barts End Track Plan
Post by: daveg on January 21, 2013, 06:26:20 PM
I know Arnold but who's that Tony Blackburn geezer?  :laugh:
Title: Re: Barts End Track Plan
Post by: 1936ace on March 03, 2013, 12:20:40 AM

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/60/thumb_3834.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=3834)

hi all as i have mentioned earlier i ran my railfrieght 47 with 10 coaches and it look so good so i needed to extend barts end terminus plus i never really liked the plan re the shed area. Happy with the goods shed area though. Board was 2100mm by 450mm but i have a spare board of 2400mm by 600mm but then thought im still having trouble fitting a nice yard/storage road before the station due to the short length so i thought what if i could split the board in half and have the train go out throught the sidings and around a curve and back into the station.

I done a plan but im just not feeling it.

 :help: :help: :help: :help:
BArt
Title: Re: Barts End Track Plan
Post by: Chetcombe on March 03, 2013, 02:54:13 AM
Oh to have the space for 10 coaches :'(

I was looking at photos of real trains today and I am happy to report that locos often stopped beyond the end of the platform to ensure all coaches had sufficient platform space. So it looks like I can stretch my trains to 9 coaches...

Anyways, I am running behind and missed the photos you posted. Wow! Great progress and I still love the track plan - it looks even better with the latest changes. For such a large layout it is really useful to have the color coding. I love the fact you can have both 'roundy roundy' and 'end to end' movements. Not sure I understand the need for both DCC and DC, but I am sure all will be revealed!

Keep posting the photos showing our progress👍

Mike
Title: Re: Barts End Track Plan
Post by: 1936ace on March 03, 2013, 04:49:12 AM
Hi Mike, no the layout when completed will be dcc only. The reason that the outer is dc and the inner is dcc was so that zac could run his trains while i built barts end. As all of his locos are dcc sound i did the temporary inner as dcc and even though i have a rolling road i wanted to give the BP a run so i could see it in full plus i have a heap of fleischmann steam locos from when i was a kid but they are only dc so i set up two temp ovals, none of the track is fix the flexi track just laying there.

progress on the baseboards was going well then came the "we might be moving to lake macquarie as it is closer to kids school(they travel just over an hr each way on bus) and 5 inch train club caround the corner plus the big shopping centres are there for nic. so i stopped and thought i will do a temo oval round the boards to kep the little guy and me happy and build barts end which realy could be a stand alone layout.

so im still not certain if the track plan is right, i know what i want/need in my head but getting it to work/fit is hard. Oh im using peco code 80 as that is what i always had/used and had all new track and points before i found this forum and found that code 55 is the go- oh well :doh:

I am hoping that one of the many experts in br rail stuff can help me come up with a suggestion, i though where is curves round the bend i could put a lock/canal in there  as i have a set. i think its the loco shed area that im not getting it to fit.

back to trying to figure it out

BArt
Title: Re: Barts End Track Plan
Post by: RikkiGTR on March 03, 2013, 11:24:50 AM
Superb :claphappy:
Definitely going to be keeping an eye on this one.
Title: Re: Barts End Track Plan
Post by: EtchedPixels on March 03, 2013, 02:33:31 PM
Oh to have the space for 10 coaches :'(

I was looking at photos of real trains today and I am happy to report that locos often stopped beyond the end of the platform to ensure all coaches had sufficient platform space. So it looks like I can stretch my trains to 9 coaches...


Trains can (and still do) call at stations where the platforms are shorter than the train. It's not a popular practice with health and safety these days unless there is door locking so only some of the doors can be opened, but in the past when it was considered quite acceptable to clean up the odd person who didn't look before leaping it was not at all uncommon. In some cases long trains such as holiday or race specials would stop with the front of the train in the platform then move forward to allow the back of the train out (remembering these may not have been corridor coaches even!)

It seems to have become more common again in the late 1970s with the move towards fixed coach rakes and the HST sets. Cornwall in particular ended up with a lot of "hanging off the end" stops because historically the through trains would have been split at or by Plymouth with a shorter train continuing through the Duchy. Some stations were extended (eg Bodmin Parkway) but not, or not always sufficiently due to space limits,so HSTs hang off the end of them.

There are several stops which only fit one DMU and you must be in the front or back unit as appropriate to get out at the stop (Feniton for example).

There are also a few rural one door only stops around where the only door opened is the one the guard operates (eg Sugar Loaf Halt) or only one car fits (Eg Dilton Marsh which at 15m is pretty short). The shortest of all however is Battersea Pier Staff Halt (under 2m) although that might not count as a "station" as such.

(Of course you don't need to run a full length HST to be prototypical !)

http://www.luxsoft.demon.co.uk/village/hst.html (http://www.luxsoft.demon.co.uk/village/hst.html)

Alan
Title: Re: Barts End Track Plan
Post by: 1936ace on March 03, 2013, 06:35:50 PM
Thats so cool re the shortest hst, i will have to show Zac that one.

Re my platform lengths, the through and terminus platform at Zacton Junction are long enough, it is just the barts end one that are causing me an issue. I thought the divided board would have allowed it to be so much easier. Off to read some books to get ideas on station track plans.
Suggestions anyone.
BArt
Title: Re: Barts End Track Plan
Post by: class390 on March 04, 2013, 11:53:01 PM
that is some track plan i look forward to seeing this develop
Title: Re: Barts End Track Plan
Post by: cudders on March 15, 2013, 07:46:59 PM
I so love this plan.

Will look really nice in my loft  ::)

Cudders
Title: Re: Barts End Track Plan
Post by: 1936ace on March 15, 2013, 08:41:01 PM
Still having trouble sorting out brats end yard area. I think I have it sorted now I will copy and post it here for comments and suggestions to see if it looks right
Cheers
Bart
Title: Re: Barts End Track Plan
Post by: 1936ace on March 16, 2013, 02:07:37 AM
hi all,
I have played around a little and i think ive got it right. Main line arrives from the right thru the "yard" then into station area. MAin platform is 1200mm long, 2 platform is 900mm long with the parcels/mail platform slightly less(my tpo train is 4 coaches long so it will fit).
Just off the parcels track is the main good shed. Both this and the parcels shed will be "BR yard" and the two other good tracks will be accessed seperately sort of private yard etc. Im hoping to have a road overpass thru the middle which vehicles can access the second yard and also the heritage society who occupy the former loco depot. i have allowed two roads for the shed, a spare and two for the coaches plus the turn table.
At the top i have a couple of extra roads maybe car sidings ?
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/60/thumb_4071.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=4071)
Does this plan look ok, does it work operationally. I think i have tried to get it right on both aspects but would appreciate if everyone out there could throw in their two bobs worth to help me.
Thanks heaps guys/gals
bart
Title: Re: Barts End Track Plan
Post by: 1936ace on March 19, 2013, 02:48:51 AM
Hi all,

ive played around a little with the track plan. Again thoughts and suggestions please :help:
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/60/thumb_4123.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=4123)
thanks again
Bart
Title: Re: Barts End Track Plan
Post by: Newportnobby on March 19, 2013, 08:06:17 AM
Nice pointwork, Bart :thumbsup:
Looks like you're going to have a lot of fun :)
Title: Re: Barts End Track Plan
Post by: 1936ace on March 19, 2013, 08:18:37 AM
Hi Newport,
thanks for having a look for me. i think i prefer the socon plan better then the other one, i think its "looks" right. I know i dont do a prototypical era or area, i still would like it to feel right. can you see any issues with the points etc. Barts end is a main country town but has only one main line left as trucks are stealing some of the freight. it will still have the main pass services plus local dmu's to lilyvale plus some freights to the goods, private yard and milk traffic and the heritage society with their 5mt and 2mt and staniers now occupy the former loco depot.
again thanks for taking the time to look over it for me
bart
Title: Re: Barts End Track Plan
Post by: Newportnobby on March 19, 2013, 08:22:14 AM
The only issue I can see is that any loco pulling wagons into the goods yard will be locked against the buffers.
Not an issue if you are DCC, but if DC you will need isolated sections so the wagons can be pulled out from the sidings by another loco to release the original. Hope that makes sense :confused1:
Title: Re: Barts End Track Plan
Post by: 1936ace on March 19, 2013, 08:50:27 AM
hey mate, yes it does. I am dcc but i see what you mean. should i have some sort of yard before the station area. how did they do it in real rail system. my plan is a take on a layout i saw some time ago, it was 00 and 30 odd feet long but it looked great. should i maybe join some of the yard tracks to the track going to the goods shed or something
bart
Title: Re: Barts End Track Plan
Post by: Newportnobby on March 19, 2013, 09:18:13 AM
Hi Bart,

Sorry but I can't spend too much time on this at present as I'm meant to be working :angel: but I always try to imagine every possible train movement likely to occur. As things stand, you could use the short siding opposite the lower platform to hold a 'goods yard pilot loco', run the goods train into the bay platform and then use the pilot loco to pull the goods train out of the bay and then push it into the goods yard. Just thinking aloud :hmmm:
Title: Re: Barts End Track Plan
Post by: 1936ace on March 19, 2013, 10:51:36 AM
cheers, thanks for that.
im too checking in on the ngf between fire calls. i will have a little 03 for yard duties like pulling coaches out so i guess i can use it for the yard as well.
Bart
Title: Re: Barts End Track Plan
Post by: 1936ace on January 17, 2014, 02:16:20 AM
Hi all,
Thought I should update the latest.
I have finally found time to get all the droppers done & soldered to track & bus. I'm using .75mm for droppers & 2.5mm for the bus. I don't think there will be any voltage drop.
As said before also increased the board size from 180cm by 450cm to 2400cm by 60cm as I needed to extra so I can run those 8 coach holiday trains & fit the platform terminus.
I thought I could just transfer photo from ipad to thread but can't so I will have to send it to the pc & uploaded it that way
Bart

Title: Re: Barts End Track Plan
Post by: 1936ace on January 17, 2014, 02:46:12 AM
Hi all,

just a couple of photos taken by my lilian.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/51/thumb_9646.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=9646)
This is me ready for the first real dcc test and the soon to fail class 24.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/51/thumb_9647.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=9647)
now with the class 37 running through the points and track making sure I did wire it up correct, which I did!
The centre is the main terminating platform with its run around on the left and carriage storage road. to the right is the smaller twho platforms of four coach and loco and dmu's. top right is the loco shed with turntable.
And on the left is the goods yard with goods shed coal yard etc and at the bottom of the photo will be the parcel shed.
all with be buildings from the Hornby lyddle end east station set so it should I hope look good.
As it is going to be a large set up im going to do a town at a time so I don't loose interest. at least if I want a play I can even if it is a terminus. next im wiring up the point motors and then I will move onto the trackwork out of barts end up over the mountains where this westernish line joins MY lms line going north.

bart
Title: Re: Barts End Track Plan
Post by: daveg on January 17, 2014, 08:09:04 AM
Hi Bart

Nice to get the progress report.

Interesting to see what I'm assuming is the 'working height' of the layout. I've tended to have mine at kitchen worktop level but the extra few cms suggests an easier working and viewing height.

Look forward to the next update.

Dave G
Title: Re: Barts End Track Plan
Post by: 1936ace on January 17, 2014, 08:16:55 AM
Hi Dave
Yes I too had low height boards in the past but this time it's about 1050mm for the low level and 1200mm for the high level off the floor. Makes it very easy to work on I used the industry standard safety step(milk crate) to sit on to wire up the bus and then sat on the floor to do the point motor wiring and Nicole bought me a good swivel stool to use when we play. The gap between board is about 950mm so plenty of room to move around. I'm think its a good three person layout without getting in others personnel space, I hate being cramped!
More to come I hope
Bart
Title: Re: Barts End Track Plan
Post by: Newportnobby on January 17, 2014, 10:26:42 AM
Can I ask why the class 24 was a failure?

Belay that - just seen your separate post. Oops!
Title: Re: Barts End Track Plan
Post by: 1936ace on February 12, 2014, 10:29:54 AM
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/albums/Barts_End/Dir_1/medium_10194.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=10194)
Hi all,
Got busy & printed off my signal box plan for Barts end. I was going to get it professionally done but the cost was going to be $160 just for the fascia panel. So I did the next best thing & made my own.
I used any rail on a peco ho set track setting to give me the scale I wanted. The I just sandwiched it between two 3 mm sheets of Perspex. I will instal the toggle point switches at the base of each point & a small led at the other end on each track to show direction of point
Cost $20
Cheers bart
Title: Re: Barts End Track Plan
Post by: keerout on February 12, 2014, 10:42:05 AM
Nice!  :thumbsup:
Gerard  :wave:
Title: Re: Barts End Track Plan
Post by: Chatty on February 12, 2014, 11:09:41 AM
Just like a bought one Bart

Kind regards

Geoff
Title: Re: Barts End Track Plan
Post by: Chetcombe on February 12, 2014, 11:19:48 AM
Very nice Bart - how big is it?

I don't envy you having to drill so many holes through the perspex for the switches, not to mention all the wiring :headbutt:
Title: Re: Barts End Track Plan
Post by: 1936ace on February 12, 2014, 11:39:14 AM
Hi mike,

It is 580 by 220 mm it did it this big as it will sit flat along the fascia of the baseboard. It is very easy to see & I wanted the switches etc to be easy to access. I have already all the wiring done behind where it will go, all done into terminal strips. Drilling will be easy as I have a drill press or if I want a Dremel stylus.
& the beauty of this is if I need to add a siding which does not require moving other points it will be a simple off with the top cover & slip in the new diagram drill the extra hole & we are done.

I know it may not look like a bought one but I'm happy with it & with the money I saved I can buy track & points to be able to finish off the layout

Bart
Title: Re: Barts End Track Plan
Post by: Chetcombe on February 12, 2014, 12:00:26 PM
Hi mike,

It is 580 by 220 mm it did it this big as it will sit flat along the fascia of the baseboard. It is very easy to see & I wanted the switches etc to be easy to access. I have already all the wiring done behind where it will go, all done into terminal strips. Drilling will be easy as I have a drill press or if I want a Dremel stylus.
& the beauty of this is if I need to add a siding which does not require moving other points it will be a simple off with the top cover & slip in the new diagram drill the extra hole & we are done.

I know it may not look like a bought one but I'm happy with it & with the money I saved I can buy track & points to be able to finish off the layout

Bart

Sounds like you have it all planned out meticulously - good luck!

Make sure you share photos of the finished article - from we have seen I think it will look just as good, if not better, than anything you can buy. As you say, our hard earned dollars are better spent on tracks and trains!
Title: Re: Barts End Track Plan
Post by: daveg on February 12, 2014, 12:17:23 PM
Neat job!  :thumbsup:

Dave G
Title: Re: Barts End Track Plan
Post by: 1936ace on April 26, 2014, 12:20:01 PM
hi all
Finally got my mimic panel finished for barts end. As mentioned before it's drawn from any rail and sandwiched between two 3mm sheets of Perspex
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/albums/Barts_End/Dir_2/medium_11968.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=11968)
Bart
Title: Re: Barts End Track Plan
Post by: Chatty on April 26, 2014, 01:28:26 PM
Just like a bought one!

Kind regards

Geoff
Title: Re: Barts End Track Plan
Post by: daveg on April 26, 2014, 06:20:53 PM
Really nice.  :thumbsup:

I've noted the use of AnyRail for the drawing in the Good Idea section of my N gauge library!

Dave G
Title: Re: Barts End Track Plan
Post by: 1936ace on May 08, 2014, 10:02:22 AM
Hi all,

Mounted the control panel for Barts End. Nice and easy to mount. Just used 2 by 1 pine for framing and cut a piece another piece across the diagonal to give it a nice slope. I think it work well and the viewing angle is good.
(Sorry, but you are not allowed to access the gallery)
Next photo is from behind showing the start of the wiring loom across the bak of the panel. What i found really helpful was the printed diagram can be viewed from behind on the perspex which made it easy to double check that i was connectiong the correct wire to the right switch.
(Sorry, but you are not allowed to access the gallery)
And last photo(sorry i forgot to rotate it) is of underneath barts end showing the basic wiring i have done. There are still 78 point motor wires to be connected from the terminal strip to the panel. A little messy looking now but once cable tied in will look a neat cable loom. I am running the point motor wiring down one side and on the opposite i will run the cab bus wiring in conduit .
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/albums/Barts_End/Dir_2/medium_12189.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=12189)
On a side note, i mentioned on the forum that my 5MT fitted with sound would not pull up the 2% incline of the branch line into barts end but that the new little jinty would. Well today i thought i would give it another go and put some staniers on the back and tested the inty and 2MT using a gaugemaster combi(still to fit decoders) and then the 5MT on the powercab. Well all went up the incline no issues so i cant work out why the 5MT did not want to do last week. I took a video of each on the iphone but for some reason i cant get it over to the forum. Will try agian though as it is also a good way to see how my layout looks.

thanks
Bart
Title: Re: Barts End Track Plan
Post by: Bealman on May 08, 2014, 12:01:07 PM
Bart, that is very, very nice work. Dunno what happened to this 2 wires for DCC concept though!

Yours faithfully,

Someone who would like to be DCC but is stuck with DC  :'(

But at least I understand it!

Great stuff, buddy.

George
Title: Re: Barts End Track Plan
Post by: belstone on May 08, 2014, 12:58:50 PM
Very neat, looks really good. I'm especially impressed that you managed to solder wires to all those toggle switches. I found they don't handle heat very well, which is why I am still operating my points by poking a probe into a screw connector...
Title: Re: Barts End Track Plan
Post by: 1936ace on May 08, 2014, 01:11:11 PM
Plenty of practice for starters helps plus I have a very good soldering station
Thanks
Bart
Title: Re: Barts End Track Plan
Post by: daveg on May 08, 2014, 05:43:42 PM
Nice panel, Bart!

Look forward to seeing the pics of the top of the board!  :camera:

Dave G
Title: Re: Barts End Track Plan
Post by: 1936ace on May 08, 2014, 08:01:14 PM
 Thank Dave
I was going to start the scenery etc for barts end as it's on its own to break up the track building/wiring now that it's all tested and is spot on but Nicole wandered in the other day and said I should do all the track first so I'm in two minds what to do now
Bart
Title: Re: Barts End Track Plan
Post by: Bealman on May 09, 2014, 01:05:10 AM
Very neat, looks really good. I'm especially impressed that you managed to solder wires to all those toggle switches. I found they don't handle heat very well, which is why I am still operating my points by poking a probe into a screw connector...

As Bart says, plenty of practice helps, as does a good soldering station. I wrecked a few in my early days, but it's not too hard when you get the hang of it.
Title: Re: Barts End
Post by: 1936ace on May 20, 2014, 06:46:42 AM
Hi all
Update on barts end. The last of the points motors were wired up today(the three added sidings for the branch). All tested and working correctly. The sheets of cork purchased the other week have been glued down for lilyvale so I wll be able to continue on with the branch line over to lilyvale and the coal mine. It's been slow progress slightly frustrating. With regards to the cork I get it from the Portuguese cork company at kings park in Sydney a 900mm by 600mm sheet of 1.5mm is $3 and 3mm thick is $5 which I thought was a good price compared to the art shop in town $18 for the thinner sheet
Some photos soon
Bart
Title: Re: Barts End
Post by: Sprintex on May 20, 2014, 09:05:27 AM
Nice control panel :thumbsup:

Look forward to the :camera: of the new trackwork ;)


Paul
Title: Re: Barts End
Post by: 1936ace on May 20, 2014, 12:37:19 PM
Some photo updates
The first had the main line bend right out of the station and worked its way round in a figure 8 incline up over the hills to the main line junction with the branch going straight out the station into a tunnel and went round to the right to lilyvale. While the main had a great scenic feel as it made its way up the through the mountains I just did not think it was right
(Sorry, but you are not allowed to access the gallery)
The second photo is its final setup which I'm really happy with. The main line now goes straight out of the station and the branch no goes right and down an incline on its way to lilyvale(branch line is about 11mtrs)
The three sidings on the left allow for small branch line trains to pull into and be made into larger trains for its journey out of Barts end on the western single line main line to zacton junction where it either terminates into the various industries or continues to London
(Sorry, but you are not allowed to access the gallery)
This now gives me great operational use and the trains really have somewhere to go just like the real thing. At the same time zac can give his bp or hst a good run around the wall on the continuous lms track.
Thanks to all for the advice and suggestion re track plan/operation
Bart
Title: Re: Barts End
Post by: 1936ace on May 21, 2014, 07:14:10 AM
Hi all
This is how barts end will look. On the left is the coal merchant(I have little coal bins and a weigh bridge to plonk down somewhere). Next us the public goods shed in the middle and as we move across is the br rail parcels shed platform 1/2 buildings then adj 3 platform the main station building. At the top is the sig box on the left and loco depot shed, water tank,sanding tower and t/table. I want to add platform canopy to 1/2 platforms as this is where the long distance and holiday trains pull into and there would be lots of people and luggage waiting(would this be correct). The branch platform has a waiting room
(Sorry, but you are not allowed to access the gallery)
Bart
Title: Re: Barts End
Post by: Bealman on May 21, 2014, 12:13:01 PM
That looks great! Sorry if you've answered this before, but as you know, I'm currently roaming around NE England and grab looks when I get free WiFi...  where did you get the buildings?

George
Title: Re: Barts End
Post by: 1936ace on May 21, 2014, 12:51:17 PM
Hi mate
The buildings are the Hornsby lyddell end east end station set, bought from hattons and the second complete set of station building loco shed goods shed footbridge signal box and water tank came of eBay. I think I passed on the station building as I didn't need two to someone on the ngf
Bart
Title: Re: Barts End
Post by: 1936ace on June 06, 2014, 01:10:31 PM
Hi all,
Found some spare thime this week to continue the slow progress of my setup. I wanted to have the track plan for Lilyvale down but what i thought was a good trackplan, never really did it for me. So after borrowing a book from a mate i trawled through its pages and found a couple of plans that had the key thing i wanted and it would suit.
The area i have is just 200cm by 34cm for the station area with a 120cm by 50cm for the coal mine. I wanted a dairy as well and using the new acquired hornby lydell end station set i also has to fit it a loco shed and its facilities, a goods shed, station buildings incl booking hall,waiting room and station master house.
I sat down before the other night and using anyrail drew up  plan that had the elements from the book suited to fit the area. I then printed it off and laid the building down where they would go and was happy how it looked so today the track went down and im very happy.
As you will see it is still sitting on the anyrail paper paln so not yet glued into final position so if anyone sees something wrong please let me know
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/46/thumb_12915.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=12915)
Viewed from the approach to the station on the branch line. Passing the farm and loco depot you run into the two platform(4 coach + loco). Further along is the goods shed and yard on the left and the express egg and milk depot on the right with a small yard at the topright. The coal line branches off to the top left with the old branch line (now closed)running thru the middle out of site
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/46/thumb_12916.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=12916)
Coal mine with ita array of support buildings
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/46/thumb_12920.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=12920)
Looking back towards Lilyvale station from the signal box and the line going back to barts end
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/46/thumb_12921.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=12921)
Express dairies cremery incl the egg packing plant, milk transfer building and boiler house and the old signal box in the foreground. The private line/sidings ito the coal were just loose laid as i ran out of time to connect before going to work
thanks bart
Title: Re: Barts End
Post by: daveg on June 07, 2014, 05:22:06 PM
Nice work, Bart!

The coal mine really looks the business. Not sure if you've given info on that before so please either spill the beans or tell me to look properly!!  :D

Dave G
Title: Re: Barts End
Post by: Bealman on June 07, 2014, 06:07:28 PM
Good work, there, Bart! I've been at Wigan show today.. some great layouts! On the silver bird back to a land Downunder on Monday.  :thumbsup:

George
Title: Re: Barts End
Post by: 1936ace on June 07, 2014, 09:34:06 PM
Hi George
So jealous of your train tripping. Yesterday there was plenty if steam and heritage diesel action at central Sydney going trips

Hi Dave
It is the faller coal poppet head which I've had for over 20 years and on its third layout. There was a story in the NGOs journal recently I think to make it more British like. The other buildings are from the Hornsby Lysenko end coal mine set, fan building, tram hut workshop and explosives hut. I grab the coal Shute thingy from hattons for just 6 some time back and it worked out well sitting next to the lift. I will draw with ack ink some track lines on the deck and I have some of the farish coal miners pushing skips which I will sit on top as if they are about to unload into the wagon below

Thanks Bart
Title: Re: Barts End
Post by: 1936ace on August 20, 2014, 11:38:05 PM
HELP NEEDED

Well with barts end, elocin and lilyvale track plan all down, wired and tested with plenty of trains over the rails I'm now ready to do the two track round the room main line

But I'm stuck and at a loss to figure out a good track plan that works and looks right for zac ton junction

The area is 4500mm by 600mm with track having to come round from the bottom left and right as per the baseboard on the original photo
I need a four platform junction station ( two for the main lms and two for the main going west) to fit loco and 8 coaches. I also have to fit in an old loco depot, t/table yard to house the heritage trains, a modern service centre for locos and emus and some siding for industries incl a milk plant I would also like a series of siding that trains can be put away while others pass it or to allow freight of the west to be re-locoed to go go say north
I hope this is not too confusing
I've tried heaps of different plans incl using any rail to see if it fit but I end up with a mess or something that does not feel right. I'm using code 80 with med points
Any suggestions of how to make it fit or real plans to copy from would be great as at the present times I have track down each side and nothing in between and can't run stuff accept for the completed sections of course
Starting to get frustrated but not getting it sorted
Thanks in advance

Bart
Title: Re: Barts End
Post by: daveg on August 21, 2014, 07:34:50 AM
Hi Bart

Just did a quick review of the most recent pics. Looks really good.

Maybe if you can upload your AnyRail plan as it currently is, folk can make some suggestions that could help.

Dave G
Title: Re: Barts End
Post by: 1936ace on August 21, 2014, 02:38:10 PM
Hey dave
Thanks mate
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/63/thumb_1688.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=1688)
I know what currently is shown is a long way off from it ended up for Barts end and lilyvale, the rest is pretty much the same well sort off
As I have mentioned I'm stuck getting zacton junction planned. It started as a through plus terminus station with depots and industries but I changed how I wanted to operate it which I now have heaps more operation scope if a few turn up to play trains.
I would zacton to be a 4 platform junction station, 1/2 platforms take the London to Scotland traffic while 3/4 will take line to Barts end on the western line.
I would like some yards where trains can lay over or loco changed out plus a few sidings for industries plus I need to include the heritage depot and modern traction depot.
Each time I start laying in down on any rail I get to a point and think this is how it would of been done.
With 800mm on each end of the 4500mm long section for the side sections it stil gives me about 2900 mm in the middle and do you think I can get anything to fit using medium code 80 point and still have my 8 coach long platforms.
I get the station bit right but then can't get the sidings right. I'd like a couple each side.
Should I look at real locations and see if it will fit
Again thanks for the suggestions and help
Bart
Title: Re: Barts End
Post by: daveg on August 21, 2014, 03:13:23 PM
Looks amazing as it is and beyond me to offer constructive advice.

I'm sure there are people that can come up with some good ideas & suggestions.

Looking forward to seeing what you decide.

Dave G
Title: Re: Barts End
Post by: 1936ace on August 29, 2014, 07:56:13 AM
Hi all,

Just finished another attempt at getting zacton junction track plan completed. i think i have got what i think would be a good representation of how it may have look in the real railway world.

it gives me operation play with some yards and somewhere to park my steamers that i said i would never buy and a sub depot for the diesel fleet and a shed adj the station for the dmu's

i can also exchange trains via the nice long yard for trains coming from the single line western line before thet go either north  or south to london

suggestions, thoughts, changes please

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/42/thumb_15253.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=15253)

Just saw the materials list1 ouch 36 points and 38mtrs of track. oh well its only money

Bart
Title: Re: Barts End
Post by: 1936ace on March 01, 2016, 07:43:43 PM
Hi all
 Got some train time in. Managed to get the double track main line installed.
Today I will try and get the "gap over the door" installed
Slow progress but at least I'm heading in the right direction. And more importantly still can play trains with Zac while we are building
Bart
Title: Re: Barts End
Post by: Newportnobby on March 01, 2016, 09:26:59 PM
Good to hear progress is being made, Bart. :thumbsup:
(Makes me somewhat jealous, though)
Title: Re: Barts End
Post by: 1936ace on March 05, 2016, 07:33:14 AM
Well got the over the door section done today.
I had originally made it as a single section 840mm by 600mm but found it hard to remove also due to curved track going over the join.
Mk2 version has been done in two pieces. One for the high level which has the viaduct and the lower section which has the beach line from lily ale to Barts end.
Made it of two by one pine frame with a 12mm ply underside with the top cover I hard foam board(like woodland scenics).
I will be able to curve landscape profile around the track
Fingers crossed it will be all try and I can lay the track
Bart
Title: Re: Barts End
Post by: Milton Rail on March 05, 2016, 12:41:30 PM
Looks amazing as it is and beyond me to offer constructive advice.

I'm sure there are people that can come up with some good ideas & suggestions.

Looking forward to seeing what you decide.

Dave G

Would have to agree - looks a cracking layout with some great features

Cheers,
Andrew
Title: Re: Barts End
Post by: Bealman on March 05, 2016, 08:41:42 PM
It's shaping up brillintly, Bart. No rush - take your time and do it right!  :thumbsup:

George
Title: Re: Barts End
Post by: 1936ace on March 05, 2016, 09:16:53 PM
It was slow going. As I hare waste, I wanted to be able to re use the original lift out section as best I could. In the end I put the saw thru it along the frame which worked out really well for the high level track
The branch line section was a bit more frustrating as it is not a straight forward frame. In the end I settled for a open style frame and filled it "hard foam". I will sheet the track line with cork so wil have a sturdy track bed but be able to curve out landscape
Both sections are simple lift out and I cheated using set track to go either side of the join as the track is obviously rigid as opposed to god I track
I have now glue the viaduct in place with approaches either side so I hope to blue the cork trackbed on today and lay the track today and give some trains a test run over it.
Need to get it right as there is good drop to the fall if I fail
Title: Re: Barts End
Post by: Bealman on March 05, 2016, 09:29:30 PM
I've had a couple of locos take a dive. They don't like it very much.

Get some cushions or something under there when you give it a run!
Title: Re: Barts End
Post by: 1936ace on March 05, 2016, 10:47:46 PM
When I had just a 4inch wide board running across the door with the dine track so we could play trains, one day as I ducked under I came up too early and bumped it caused my 2-10-0 fleischmann to take the five. Luckily for me nothing broke
Adj the door on the left is the storage roads but luckily points are trailing so high speed stuff will be ok
It looks rough as it is just timber and foam construction but once I cover it with plaster bandage and shape it etc I think it will look nice, obviously not to exhibition level but it will he he best I can do as scenery is not my strongest area
Bart
Title: Re: Barts End
Post by: daveg on March 06, 2016, 07:31:26 AM
Look forward to some more pics, Bart.  :thumbsup:

Dave G
Title: Re: Barts End
Post by: 1936ace on March 10, 2016, 03:39:55 AM
Completed track laying on the main twin track today incl the section over the door way which contains the five arch viaduct. Turns out I made the timber base the viaduct sits on was about 1.5mm too low compared to the track foundations either side.
Luckily I had some self adhesive cork sheet and I placed this over the viaduct which still look good after I laid the track over it
I spot glued it all down as I have done every where else and when I get back from work on Saturday I will remove all the weights and test it all with some trains to make sure there are no bad joins in the curves and the trains run correctly over the lift out section/viaduct
Cheers
Bart
Title: Re: Barts End
Post by: Bealman on March 10, 2016, 04:15:21 AM
At least you didn't do what I did and built two viaducts on a gradient! They were supposed to be level!

Looking forward to pics  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Barts End
Post by: 1936ace on March 10, 2016, 04:18:16 AM
Yes I know, I'm slack! I only had 90 minutes to get it done before I left for work.
I promise to take some photos on Saturday when I get back home from work😀
I might sit buildings in place to give everyone a better idea of what I'm doing/up to
Cheers
Bart
Title: Re: Barts End
Post by: 1936ace on March 15, 2016, 07:54:41 AM
No n gauge time over the weekend as I called back into work but also played 5 inch gauge as it was our clubs birthday run with inter club visitors
Today I lifted all the weights off the track and all good.
As I have completely wired Barts end I connected a temporary wire from the bus to the two main lines that run around the room and the branch. I thought this will test my track work and rail joining skills.
Well I must have fluked it as no one loco stalled incl the sound locos. Which is good I think as the branch line is 14 mtr long and the main lines are 16mtrs with only a single connection to each rail. So you can just have two wires😀
So after a quick session, well ok I ran every loco a few laps, just needed to make sure everything worked I told Nicole, I begin to drill the board for the droppers. I had forgotten how much fun that was
So I'm heading back to work AGAIN, so hopefully do so dropper work Friday morning before I head back to work for night shifts
Title: Re: Barts End
Post by: Bealman on March 15, 2016, 07:58:11 AM
That's great! Let's see some pics and vids!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Barts End
Post by: daveg on March 15, 2016, 08:39:57 AM
That's great! Let's see some pics and vids!  :thumbsup:

Ditto!

Dave G
Title: Re: Barts End
Post by: MrDobilina on March 16, 2016, 03:12:41 PM
([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/63/thumb_1688.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=1688[/url])


I have to admit as I'm new to these things, I'm quite stumped by the second turn table to the right of barts end. when would that be used as youd have to send a loco down and then back up and then turn it and then down and back up again? Unless I've missed something :S
Title: Re: Barts End
Post by: 1936ace on March 16, 2016, 07:18:31 PM
Hi mate
The track has changed from this original plan but is very much the same idea. It is much more operationally friendly The turntable that is at Barts End is so that locos can be turned for the journey back. Plus nice to have one anyway!
Cheers Bart
Title: Re: Barts End
Post by: 1936ace on May 04, 2016, 05:07:40 AM
Hi all,
Finally found some time to complete the track for the yard and loco areas at Zacton Junction. I want to model it based on a once it was a large loco depot due to location?junction but as steam has gone and its BR blue era the depot has been scaled back for diesel use plus enough of the old steam era buildings left for the heritage loco group who have moved in.
I also need it to be usable for last days of steam since ive now bought a few steam locos.
So have i capture it, can anyone provide advice guidance just to show it looks right if that makes sense.
thanks in advance
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/2/thumb_39137.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=39137)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/2/thumb_39134.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=39134)
Bart
Title: Re: Barts End
Post by: Tank on May 04, 2016, 06:52:44 AM
Looking good!
Title: Re: Barts End
Post by: daveg on May 04, 2016, 07:18:01 AM
Nice photos, Bart.

I see you went for the coaling tower!

The spacing looks great, not too cluttered but with a decent mix of steam and diesel structures.

Please keep the updates coming. :thumbsup:

Dave G
Title: Re: Barts End
Post by: 1936ace on May 04, 2016, 01:14:03 PM
 Thanks tank!
Hi Dave
Yes grabbed the ash plant so still thinking about the coal tower but since its last days of steam or used as a heritage depot the coal tower might have already been pulled down as a mate suggested and could be replaced with a smaller coal stage or something. Any suggestions
Do I need anything else or reposition the buildings that are currently there
Cheers
Title: Re: Barts End
Post by: daveg on May 04, 2016, 05:34:52 PM
Oops! I thought I saw the coaling beast but obviously had the wrong specs on!  :dunce:

The Scenecraft tower is a big and quite expensive thing. Doubt it's an essential building for the period you're modelling.

If you think a smaller version would complete the yard, Ratio do a kit, No 247.
http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e286/TBZ6829/DSCF0002b-1.jpg (http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e286/TBZ6829/DSCF0002b-1.jpg)

Hatton's offer it for GBP18 + shipping.

I guess depending on how busy you want the yard, another service shed could do the job.

 :beers:

Dave G