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Title: My new project - Dawlish Warren
Post by: Chris Morris on December 24, 2019, 05:21:24 PM
I have recently started on a new project. It will take a couple of years at least to complete. I'm a bit concerned that by posting as I build it I could end up with egg on my face but have decided to go ahead and post anyway.

This new project will be my attempt to make a half decent model of a real location. I was pleased that my last project, Little Aller Junction , was well received. This new project will hopefully continue along similar lines but be better. I won't give the name of the new project just yet but I'm sure it won't be long before someone gets it.

I spent quite a time considering possible locations to model and drew up plans for two layouts. Once I decided which one to go for I spent more time refining the plans. Eventually I got to the point where I printed out the plan full size - all 11ft 6in by 3ft 4in  of it.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/85/3123-241219171935.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=85392)


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Title: Re: My new project
Post by: Chris Morris on December 24, 2019, 05:26:02 PM
Although sellotaping all those sheets of A4 paper together was a pain I found it was a worthwhile excersize. Its good to get an idea of how things are going to look before buying anything!

I did see a few issues so I changed the plan in a few ways and then reprinted full size again. I then used the plan as a template for cutting the timber.
Title: Re: My new project
Post by: w greatbatch on December 24, 2019, 05:29:32 PM
Go for it mate :thumbsup:
Title: Re: My new project
Post by: chrism on December 24, 2019, 05:38:58 PM
Although sellotaping all those sheets of A4 paper together was a pain I found it was a worthwhile excersize. Its good to get an idea of how things are going to look before buying anything!

It certainly is. I've done it for all mine, starting off with scaled up real track plans tweaked where necessary to reduce board lengths to what I could fit into my room. Once printed they enabled me to select the best fit points to add to the order.

Have to admit, though, I used tools, boxes of screws, whatever to weight them down, not trains  :D
Title: Re: My new project
Post by: dannyboy on December 24, 2019, 05:49:17 PM
my last project, Little Aller Junction ........... I won't give the name of the new project just yet

'Bigger Aller Junction'?  :)

Good luck with the new build Chris, a nice size.
Title: Re: My new project
Post by: Chris Morris on December 24, 2019, 05:52:34 PM


Have to admit, though, I used tools, boxes of screws, whatever to weight them down, not trains  :D

The trains were put there to help with "visualisation" for the finished project.
Title: Re: My new project
Post by: Chris Morris on December 24, 2019, 05:56:45 PM
my last project, Little Aller Junction ........... I won't give the name of the new project just yet

'Bigger Aller Junction'?  :)

Good luck with the new build Chris, a nice size.

Not another Aller Junction. I did draw out a new bigger version of Aller Junction complete with goods loop for banking but in the end decided against it.

The new project is based not a million miles away from Aller Junction.
Title: Re: My new project
Post by: Shropshire Lad on December 24, 2019, 06:18:18 PM
Looks like it'll be another great railway Chris. I bet it's finished way before mine too!
Cheers Colin
Title: Re: My new project
Post by: Chris Morris on December 24, 2019, 08:52:26 PM
My carefully drawn cutting guide for the crossmembers.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/85/3123-241219205215.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=85403)
Title: Re: My new project
Post by: tunneroner61 on December 24, 2019, 11:56:34 PM
Totnes or Dawlish Warren?
Title: Re: My new project
Post by: exmouthcraig on December 25, 2019, 06:49:08 AM
With 4 lines through the station I'd stab at Exeter St David's, although the track bends left at platform end, good old SR territory, so maybe the 1:37 climb to Exeter Central is being created  :hmmm:
Title: Re: My new project
Post by: Chris Morris on December 25, 2019, 07:09:22 AM
Dawlish Warren is the correct answer! I just hope I can make a reasonably good job of it.
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/85/3123-251219070807.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=85410)
Title: Re: My new project
Post by: crewearpley40 on December 25, 2019, 07:11:17 AM
Complete with the sea wall chris .
Title: Re: My new project - Dawlish Warren
Post by: Chris Morris on December 25, 2019, 07:25:27 AM
There will be a short section of sea wall. Here is my plan. The layout will be 11ft 6in long and 40in wide. Since drawing this plan I have pretty much decided that trying to include Cockwood harbour and the Anchor Inn on the left hand end will be too much. This end will probably now have what is really just after the end of where the platforms used to end - basically a stream and lots of greenery. A final decision will be made sometime next year. I will start work at the sea wall end and see how that goes and then work my way along. The station takes up a lot of the layout and will have full scale length platforms as they were in the 1960s. Yes, hydraulics will rule (mostly).

With Little Aller Junction I decided to put sharp bends hidden in tunnels at each end of the layout so there were no overly sharp bends on view. I have taken a different approach on this layout and decided to put the bends at each end on full view but make them as gentle a curve as possible within the size of the baseboard. This gives me a much longer run of scenic section to watch trains go by.


(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/85/3123-251219072200.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=85412)
Title: Re: My new project - Dawlish Warren
Post by: exmouthcraig on December 25, 2019, 07:52:25 AM
Do you get to include any of IBKs Atmospheric Pumping stations on that section Chris???
Title: Re: My new project - Dawlish Warren
Post by: Chris Morris on December 25, 2019, 08:16:46 AM
Do you get to include any of IBKs Atmospheric Pumping stations on that section Chris???

Sorry but no. They are lovely buildings though - maybe I should have gone for Starcross!
Title: Re: My new project - Dawlish Warren
Post by: exmouthcraig on December 25, 2019, 08:22:31 AM
NO, dont deviate from the plan, ours has taken 8years of planning as next to nothing original remains anymore.

Stick with where you've chosen and for the reasons you've chosen to model there. Plus it's always an excuse to nip down the M5 to 'investigate the location' and The Anchor is a good spot to collate your acquired information!!

Always nip down into Dawlish and visit Gays for a cream tea  :D
Title: Re: My new project - Dawlish Warren
Post by: Chris Morris on December 25, 2019, 08:30:59 AM
I have dined at both the Anchor and Mount Pleasant Inn on a number of occasions and very nice they were too. When dining at the Mount Pleasant always book a table by the window in advance.

Yes I do feel a run down the M5 coming on in the not too distant future bit I need to have reasonable weather.
Title: Re: My new project - Dawlish Warren
Post by: crewearpley40 on December 25, 2019, 08:32:29 AM
Plan looks good. Plenty of operational potential
Title: Re: My new project - Dawlish Warren
Post by: Newportnobby on December 25, 2019, 09:28:26 AM
Plan looks good. Plenty of operational potential

Agree. Operation from front of layout or back, Chris?
Title: Re: My new project - Dawlish Warren
Post by: weave on December 25, 2019, 09:58:46 AM
Hi Chris,

Have always loved pics of Dawlish Warren so very much looking forward to your build.

I must go there one day but in the meantime will be following with great interest.

Happy Christmas.

Cheers weave  :beers:
Title: Re: My new project - Dawlish Warren
Post by: Chris Morris on December 25, 2019, 11:18:36 AM


Operation from front of layout or back, Chris?

The plan is for both. I am building controls at the front at the moment but I plan to put exactly the same controls on the back of the layout . This layout is primarily for me to enjoy the challenge of building it and then enjoy watching trains go by. This is why I am building a control panel on the front but I want to make it exhibitable and hope to go to a very small number of exhibitions with it if I can make it good enough.
Title: Re: My new project - Dawlish Warren
Post by: chrism on December 25, 2019, 11:24:01 AM


Operation from front of layout or back, Chris?

The plan is for both. I am building controls at the front at the moment but I plan to put exactly the same controls on the back of the layout . This layout is primarily for me to enjoy the challenge of building it and then enjoy watching trains go by. This is why I am building a control panel on the front but I want to make it exhibitable and hope to go to a very small number of exhibitions with it if I can make it good enough.

Just a suggestion - why not make the control panel removable and connect it to the layout via cables of suitable length that it can be located at either the front or the rear?
Saves making two panels, although you would have to get used to the track layout (if included) on the panel being the "wrong way around" in one of the two locations.
Title: Re: My new project - Dawlish Warren
Post by: Chris Morris on December 25, 2019, 12:09:24 PM
My wonderful wife understands me! Perfect Christmas presents.
There are quite a few wagons and more figures bit only a single malt.

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Title: Re: My new project - Dawlish Warren
Post by: crewearpley40 on December 25, 2019, 12:13:26 PM
The wagon is a good start. The book ? I saw you with little aller operating from the front  / side. Chrism made a petfectly reaSonable suggestion. Enjoy the day. Chris
Title: Re: My new project - Dawlish Warren
Post by: Chris Morris on December 25, 2019, 12:39:05 PM
The wagon is a good start. The book ? I saw you with little aller operating from the front  / side. Chrism made a petfectly reaSonable suggestion. Enjoy the day. Chris

The "book" is a single malt whisky. I shall "read" it a little later!
Title: Re: My new project - Dawlish Warren
Post by: robert shrives on December 25, 2019, 12:41:56 PM
Have a good read ! Festive greetings  and enjoy the day. Wagon looks very good and I am sure will soon grace the layout.

Robert
Title: Re: My new project - Dawlish Warren
Post by: crewearpley40 on December 25, 2019, 12:43:57 PM
I did notice that maybe the whisky when the tv repeats are on. Happy planning of dawlish
 
Title: Re: My new project - Dawlish Warren
Post by: Jeremy Edwards on December 25, 2019, 09:11:30 PM
having spent a week camping at a site above Dawlish Warren and visiting the beach several times, I look forward to seeing this project progress.
Title: Re: My new project - Dawlish Warren
Post by: Chris Morris on December 30, 2019, 01:32:44 PM
Following on from my highly detailed drawings above I built my baseboard "kit".

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Title: Re: My new project - Dawlish Warren
Post by: Chris Morris on December 30, 2019, 01:33:45 PM
It all went together quite well.

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Title: Re: My new project - Dawlish Warren
Post by: exmouthcraig on December 30, 2019, 02:05:34 PM
You'll be running by end of Jan @Chris Morris (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=3123)  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: My new project - Dawlish Warren
Post by: Chris Morris on January 03, 2020, 09:04:42 AM
I am a little ahead of what I am publishing here just in case things go wrong. This post is out of sequence as it refers to point control.  I have just posted this on another topic on this forum so I think it is right to post it here at the same time.

I decided to use mostly unifrog points because that is where things are going. The points look fine but it has to be said they are primarily designed to be used with DCC rather than analogue. I prefer analogue and propose to remain that way for the foreseeable future. The main reason I prefer analogue to DCC is that when you change a point you automatically have control of the loco that the points are set to. With Unifrog points this is not the case. Yes you can mess about cutting the wires underneath the point but I tried this and didn't think it was easy( the wires fell off at the wrong place for me) or a good thing to be doing.

I still wanted to use the Unifrog points and I still wanted to have the loco on the track selected to automatically be live when the points changed. My solution is to use latching relays working in unison with the Peco point motor to change the polarity of the frog and automatically provide power to the correct track. It also means that I no longer have to rely on the point blades making electrical contact. This has not been a major problem in the past but it has been an occasional minor irritation.

So here is the diagram for my self latching relay set up.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/85/3123-030120090133.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=85719)

Basically the coils on the relay are linked to the feeds to the point motor. The frog feed will get power from the track which will change when the point changes. The tracks in the loop are isolated and have feeds from the relay. This feed also changes when the point motor changes.

More photos of the track (which is now mostly laid ) next week.
Title: Re: My new project - Dawlish Warren
Post by: DCCDave on January 03, 2020, 11:00:48 AM
A couple of questions Chris,

Would those relays work with a DCC track signal, it's pseudo AC.
Where would you attach LEDS to that for display on a mimic board.

Cheers
Dave
Title: Re: My new project - Dawlish Warren
Post by: Chris Morris on January 03, 2020, 11:13:48 AM
Sorry I really don't know how those relays would work with DCC. I would expect that if you have something that can interpret the DCC messages and turn them into a pulse of power then it should work. The great thing about these relays is that they are so cheap that you can afford to experiment. I paid £2.89 each off eBay but apparently I was done - you can get them for less than £2 each!
Regarding the led feed you leave out the track feed and replace it with your led feed. Power goes from LED feed to middle top blob on the relay in my diagram. The two blobs to the right are then connected to the LEDs and return power goes from the LEDs to the LED power source return.
Title: Re: My new project - Dawlish Warren
Post by: Gizzy on January 03, 2020, 11:54:13 AM
Another great layout construction for me to watch....
Title: Re: My new project - Dawlish Warren
Post by: belstone on January 03, 2020, 04:32:48 PM
I used self-latching relays for frog switching on my last layout (which included a live frog diamond crossing) and they worked perfectly, much better than microswitches.  I think the design life on them is something like 100,000 operations so they should last reasonably well.  If I did it again I'd be tempted to get some PCBs made up for them to keep things neat and also allow a relay to be swapped easily if it fails at a show: I used Veroboard and ended up with wires everywhere.

Looks like a very promising project: I visited Dawlish Warren as a small boy and have a photo somewhere of a "Western" passing through on an express. I'm not entirely sold on your visible curves yet but I'll wait and see how it looks with some scenery.  Good luck with it, I'm hoping to start baseboards on my new project this weekend.

Richard
Title: Re: My new project - Dawlish Warren
Post by: Chris Morris on January 09, 2020, 10:50:38 AM
With baseboards complete a dry run with some track.
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/85/3123-090120105029.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=85896)
Title: Re: My new project - Dawlish Warren
Post by: Chris Morris on January 09, 2020, 10:56:05 AM
The track fitted the pre cut baseboard tops quite well and so I got on with permeant track laying. Followed by testing. Though I say it myself I rather like the transition curve leading into the station on the down track.
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/85/3123-090120105346.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=85897)

The curve at the other end will be the sea wall. I have Built the widest curve possible on the 40" baseboard.



(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/85/3123-090120105554.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=85898)
Title: Re: My new project - Dawlish Warren
Post by: Chris Morris on January 09, 2020, 10:59:21 AM
Please note that this is ruff testing only. Once the Scenery is in place there is no way a Western with full yellow end will be allowed anywhere near chocolate and cream coaches.
Title: Re: My new project - Dawlish Warren
Post by: Chris Morris on January 09, 2020, 01:09:17 PM
Another photo at what will be the East end of the station
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/85/3123-090120130905.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=85907)
Title: Re: My new project - Dawlish Warren
Post by: Jeremy Edwards on January 11, 2020, 02:19:31 PM
I can't wait to see it 'with its clothes on'.  It looks a very interesting project.
Title: Re: My new project - Dawlish Warren
Post by: Chris Morris on January 14, 2020, 09:08:21 AM
It will be some time before the layout "has its clothes on". Recently I have been working on the station buildings as they were in the 1960s. You can get an idea of what they looked like here - https://images.app.goo.gl/UaJmQeEMH78Z3d95A (https://images.app.goo.gl/UaJmQeEMH78Z3d95A)

There is more work to do on these but they are now intact.
Up platform. A wooden building built coca 1912. It became a railway museum from 1974 until 1984 and bunt down in 2003.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/86/3123-140120090533.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=86090)

The original down platform building only lasted until
1924 before it succumbed to fire. It was replaced by a smaller corrugated iron building which I think was demolished in the 1980s.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/86/3123-140120090806.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=86091)
Title: Re: My new project - Dawlish Warren
Post by: Chris Morris on January 14, 2020, 09:11:34 AM
My thoughts are now turning to the platforms. This will be interesting as they were far from normal. Up until the late 1970s the platforms were entirely supported on timber posts. Now modelling that is going to keep me quiet for a while...
Title: Re: My new project - Dawlish Warren
Post by: weave on January 14, 2020, 10:20:14 AM
Hi Chris,

Just had a look at old photos of the station. That is a job. Perhaps you could find some sort of lattice fencing and adapt it somehow? As Lesley Nielsen says in Airplane, 'Good luck, we're all counting you'  :D.

The buildings look great by the way.

Cheers weave  :beers:

Title: Re: My new project - Dawlish Warren
Post by: jpendle on January 14, 2020, 10:34:26 PM
A couple of questions Chris,

Would those relays work with a DCC track signal, it's pseudo AC.

Cheers
Dave

Yes they would, as long as you have analog control of the points on a DCC layout. The relay switch is just a switch, you can connect anything you like to it as long as it doesn't exceed the spec (the ones shown are 30VDC @ 2A which is plenty for N Gauge DCC).

Regards,

John P
Title: Re: My new project - Dawlish Warren
Post by: Chris Morris on January 16, 2020, 10:19:51 AM
Quite like these Metcalf picnic tables. They may not end up in camping coach area .

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/86/3123-160120101942.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=86156)
Title: Re: My new project - Dawlish Warren
Post by: Chris Morris on January 20, 2020, 10:53:37 AM
Platform progress. The timber struts are probably just a tad  too meaty bit it's about as small as I can do. I think they will look ok when painted a nice dark colour . The bad news is that I need twice as many struts for the down platform. I'm also going to try to emulate the timber top to half of the down platform which was still still there in the early 1970s. The HST is mainly for grandson (although I am building up a small set of 1990s stock). This layout will be the same as Little Aller Junction and run mostly hydraulics.



The windows and doors on the station building are from N brass loco.
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/86/3123-200120105220.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=86414)

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/86/3123-200120105248.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=86415)


(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/86/3123-200120105328.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=86417)
Title: Re: My new project - Dawlish Warren
Post by: Newportnobby on January 20, 2020, 01:20:38 PM
Looks to have been a labour of love, Chris, but worth the end result
Title: Re: My new project - Dawlish Warren
Post by: crewearpley40 on January 20, 2020, 04:24:04 PM
Seconded. Chris. Did you use real photos?
Title: Re: My new project - Dawlish Warren
Post by: Chris Morris on January 20, 2020, 07:47:54 PM
I have taken a number of photos as it is today and scoured through both the internet and loads of books to see what it was like back in the 1960s.
Title: Re: My new project - Dawlish Warren
Post by: Chris Morris on January 24, 2020, 12:44:27 PM

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/86/3123-240120124301.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=86534)


(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/86/3123-240120124337.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=86535)

Meanwhile round the corner.


(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/86/3123-240120124422.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=86536)
Title: Re: My new project - Dawlish Warren
Post by: Chris Morris on January 24, 2020, 12:46:38 PM
Those platforms will need some fettling before they are put in place. Next job will be an attempt at the Mount Pleasant Inn.
Title: Re: My new project - Dawlish Warren
Post by: w greatbatch on January 24, 2020, 02:13:17 PM
You really fell in love with that loco ain'tcha.
Title: Re: My new project - Dawlish Warren
Post by: Chris Morris on January 24, 2020, 03:40:03 PM
You really fell in love with that loco ain'tcha.

It's just test train . All the others are stored out of harm's way during construction.
Title: Re: My new project - Dawlish Warren
Post by: Chris Morris on February 08, 2020, 11:32:35 AM
Unfinished but progressing Mount Pleasant Inn.
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/87/3123-080220113225.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=87253)
Title: Re: My new project - Dawlish Warren
Post by: NeMo on February 08, 2020, 05:26:33 PM
Is this from various Kestrel kits?

Looks great!

Definitely Fawlty Towers vibe, mind.

Cheers, NeMo

Unfinished but progressing Mount Pleasant Inn.
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/87/3123-080220113225.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=87253)
Title: Re: My new project - Dawlish Warren
Post by: Chris Morris on February 09, 2020, 06:35:43 AM
The bay windows are from a Kestrel semi as are some of the other windows. The rest is plasticard.
Title: Re: My new project - Dawlish Warren
Post by: swisstrains on February 09, 2020, 09:13:24 AM
Hi Chris. I have always had a love of the GWR and WR in South Devon and really enjoyed seeing Little Aller.
I am now following with great interest the construction of your Dawlish Warren layout particularly as it's a place I have visited many times. Unfortunately I didn't start visiting until the 1970's but since then I have spent many a happy hour watching the trains go by at the Warren. Keep up the good work.
Title: Re: My new project - Dawlish Warren
Post by: Chris Morris on February 09, 2020, 09:53:28 AM
Thanks. I'm also looking forward to seeing the project progress and being able to watch the trains go by. Making buildings from scratch is a new thing for me but I'm enjoying the challenge. I need to make at least four more buildings for this project.

I'm trying to capture Dawlish Warren as closely as possible but there is inevitably a lot of compression.  I'm not planning to go to many exhibitions with this layout but it is already informally pencilled in for a couple of exhibitions in Autumn 2021 . All I have to do is rise to the challenge of making a fairly reasonable representation of the place. It's going fine so far but I hope I haven't bitten off more than I can chew.

This is where the Mount Pleasant Inn will be located.
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/87/3123-090220095239.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=87280)
Title: Re: My new project - Dawlish Warren
Post by: Chris Morris on February 09, 2020, 10:07:09 AM
Just as an aside I recently cleared out my loft and found a 1980 BR timetable (no I don't know why it was there either). Lovely front cover though!
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/87/3123-090220100609.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=87282)
Title: Re: My new project - Dawlish Warren
Post by: LowerQuadrant on February 09, 2020, 10:12:07 AM
Hello Chris,

very promising work, I'll keep an eye on your progress!

Are you plannig to superelevate those curves? Please say yes! :heart2:

Regards
Christoph
Title: Re: My new project - Dawlish Warren
Post by: Chris Morris on February 10, 2020, 07:49:29 AM


Are you plannig to superelevate those curves? Please say yes! :heart2:


Unfortunately no. It would be nice but I decided it might interfere with reliable running. The through lines at the station were ballasted higher than the platforms lines. I would have loved to incorporate this but I take the KISS approach (Keep It Simple Stupid) to many things, especially track laying. I can get into more than enough trouble keeping it simple!
Title: Re: My new project - Dawlish Warren
Post by: Bealman on February 10, 2020, 07:53:56 AM
Nice aerial shot on the cover!  :thumbsup:

Wonder if it a helicopter or a plane?

Looking at the date, probably the latter?
Title: Re: My new project - Dawlish Warren
Post by: Chris Morris on February 28, 2020, 09:28:31 PM
Been working on footbridges over the last few weeks. Two
almost down and one to go. Progress is slow but that's fine.
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/88/3123-280220212658.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=88027)


(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/88/3123-280220212739.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=88028)


(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/88/3123-280220212821.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=88029)
Title: Re: My new project - Dawlish Warren
Post by: Chris Morris on February 28, 2020, 09:33:19 PM

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/88/3123-280220213223.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=88031)


(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/88/3123-280220213309.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=88032)
Title: Re: My new project - Dawlish Warren
Post by: Newportnobby on February 29, 2020, 10:17:52 AM
Footbridges look fine, in more than one sense.
There's something about maroon hydraulics with maroon MK1s :heart2:
Title: Re: My new project - Dawlish Warren
Post by: swisstrains on February 29, 2020, 05:42:07 PM
Don't forget to include this sign on the seawall near to your first footbridge Chris. :D
It would have been there during the period you are modelling.
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/88/193-290220173053.jpeg)
It reads:-

“BRITISH RAILWAYS. Notice is hereby given that by 14 and 15 Vict Cap any person who shall without the previous consent of the railways or their engineer in writing, dig, excavate or remove any soil, beach, mud, shingle, gravel, stones, rock or other like material begin to do at or from any place upon the shore or beach of the sea on the outer or sea side of the line of railway within 30 yards or who shall without such consent as aforesaid dig, excavate or remove any sand or rocks so to do on the outer or sea side of the said railway and within 20 yards of any point of any sea wall, buttress, breakwater or other work constructed or to be constructed by the railways between the beach or sand bank called the warren in the parish of Kenton in the county of Devon and the end of the terrace wall at the back of the public baths westwards of the mouth or entrance of the tunnel of the railway at east Teignmouth shall for every such offence be subject to a penalty not exceeding 10 pounds and notice is hereby further given that by the 35 and 36 Vict Cap 132 it is enacted that the above be read and construed as if the words 60 yards had been substituted for the words 30yards and as if the words 40 yards had been substituted for the words 20 yards respectively used in that section and the prohibition contained in the same section shall be deemed to include all soil, beach, mud, shingle, gravel, stones, rock and other like material and any sand within the said extended distances respectively although the sand may have originally been beyond and have been brought within these for the purpose of…………..” (The bottom of the sign was missing)
Title: Re: My new project - Dawlish Warren
Post by: Chris Morris on March 03, 2020, 08:05:49 AM
Hmm - not sure about the writing on the sign but I should put something up. Meanwhile, we all love a milk train...

Title: Re: My new project - Dawlish Warren
Post by: Bealman on March 03, 2020, 08:28:37 AM
Wonderful.  :thumbsup:

This layout is going to be so awesome. The sweeping curves and platforms are brilliant.

The milk train is great, though to me it's crying out for a guard's van, though of course, in that period, they didn't have one.

Love it!  :beers:
Title: Re: My new project - Dawlish Warren
Post by: Chris Morris on March 03, 2020, 08:55:56 AM
Thanks. I have stock to cover pretty much all trains from late fifties through to 1970. I also have a couple of 50s and a HST. When the expected skipper comes out I will have the ability to roughly represent the 1980s. Of course by then the footbridge had long gone, the platforms were new and much shorter, the point work had changed and the semaphores had gone. 

If Bachmann ever get round to doing a new 45/46 I may well be tempted to get a mid 1979s set of stock as well. It's kind of interesting that, had it not been for the Dapol class 50 I wouldn't have bought a Dapol HST to go with it.
Title: Re: My new project - Dawlish Warren
Post by: Bealman on March 03, 2020, 08:59:57 AM
Did the Western Blue Pullman ever make it out that way?
Title: Re: My new project - Dawlish Warren
Post by: Chris Morris on March 03, 2020, 09:48:47 AM
Did the Western Blue Pullman ever make it out that way?
At least once, maybe twice. It was on show at an open day at Laura I think. It had a Western on the front between Plymouth and Newton Abbot to make sure it got over the South Devon banks without incident. So I could run one.

It's interesting that if you come up to recent years pretty much every main line approved preserved loco, steam and diesel has been through Dawlish Warren.
Title: Re: My new project - Dawlish Warren
Post by: anselm on March 03, 2020, 09:59:32 AM
Did the Western Blue Pullman ever make it out that way?
At least once, maybe twice. It was on show at an open day at Laura I think. It had a Western on the front between Plymouth and Newton Abbot to make sure it got over the South Devon banks without incident. So I could run one.

It's interesting that if you come up to recent years pretty much every main line approved preserved loco, steam and diesel has been through Dawlish Warren.

I was really pleased to read this!  I have been running a Blue Pullman on my layout Withiel, based somewhere in Cornwall, using rule 1 that it was route testing a Paddington - Penzance service.  Now I have a genuine reason.

Ian
Title: Re: My new project - Dawlish Warren
Post by: LowerQuadrant on March 09, 2020, 05:35:25 PM
This layout is going to be so awesome  [...] Love it!  :beers:

I second that!  :wave:

Title: Re: My new project - Dawlish Warren
Post by: Chris Morris on March 09, 2020, 05:53:14 PM
This layout is going to be so awesome  [...] Love it!  :beers:

I second that!  :wave:

Thanks, I hope it will be!
Title: Re: My new project - Dawlish Warren
Post by: Chris Morris on March 11, 2020, 08:40:12 PM
Western Princess in front of the cliffs. A lot more work to do on this short section but it's nice to see a bit of colour.
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/88/3123-110320203911.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=88598)
Title: Re: My new project - Dawlish Warren
Post by: Chris Morris on March 14, 2020, 07:44:24 AM
The sea wall has a long way to go but here are a few photos of work so far.

The plan
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/88/3123-140320073618.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=88912)


Track laid
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/88/3123-140320073754.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=88913)

After trying expanded polystyrene I decided it didn't work for me so I went back to chicken wire.


(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/88/3123-140320074032.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=88914)

A few days later


(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/88/3123-140320074135.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=88915)

Some weeks later I got round to covering it in filler using a brush to try to get the rocky effect. The paint hasn't dried on this photo - it will be totally matt. Photos show about 50% of the cliffs are covered in shrubbery so that will follow.





(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/88/3123-140320074415.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=88916)
Title: Re: My new project - Dawlish Warren
Post by: crewearpley40 on March 14, 2020, 07:51:09 AM
Love the local Permian red sandstone cliffs
Title: Re: My new project - Dawlish Warren
Post by: Newportnobby on March 14, 2020, 01:52:05 PM
Not that there's anything wrong with your chicken wire method, Chris, but if you need to buy more perhaps aviary mesh might be better as it's a lot smaller and may be less messy in use.
Just a thought............

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/44/main_13582.JPG)
Title: Re: My new project - Dawlish Warren
Post by: Chris Morris on March 21, 2020, 05:15:37 PM
Done a bit more painting
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/89/3123-210320171335.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=89285)



(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/89/3123-210320171416.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=89286)



(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/89/3123-210320171457.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=89287)
Title: Re: My new project - Dawlish Warren
Post by: crepello on March 21, 2020, 05:24:16 PM
Hmm - not sure about the writing on the sign but I should put something up. Meanwhile, we all love a milk train...



Great stuff Chris. Did you cut the pipes off the 50 to get the milk tanks to run with it without derailing?
Title: Re: My new project - Dawlish Warren
Post by: belstone on March 29, 2020, 10:12:10 AM
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Misc/i-k7vjMg8/0/c2eb7e71/L/daddy6-L.jpg)

I was going through some old photos and found this happy snap from a holiday trip in the early 1970s.  Not the best railway photo ever but thought you might like it.

Richard
Title: Re: My new project - Dawlish Warren
Post by: Chris Morris on March 29, 2020, 10:22:46 AM
Thanks, all photos of Dawlish Warren in the sixties and seventies are great to see.

I've been busy covering the hills with filler over the last week and building another footbridge.  Progress has been very slow because I have had to do a lot of thinking! Hopefully I'll be posting some photos later this week.
Title: Re: My new project - Dawlish Warren
Post by: Chris Morris on March 30, 2020, 05:34:21 PM
A bit of planting today
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/89/3123-300320173245.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=89847)


(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/89/3123-300320173412.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=89849)
Title: Re: My new project - Dawlish Warren
Post by: Biggy on March 30, 2020, 08:41:19 PM
I’ve really enjoyed catching up with this. We lived in Dawlish when I was a small boy and my Mum actually worked in the Mount Pleasant
Title: Re: My new project - Dawlish Warren
Post by: Milton Rail on March 31, 2020, 07:53:18 AM


Layout is looking superb!  I got a prompt on ebay about a photo of my area and this one was on their listings too ... no doubt you have seen it , but thought it was worth sharing in case you hadn't

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/DAWLISH-WARREN-RAILWAY-STATION-DEVON-c1950-PHOTO-5-x-3/164143888141?hash=item2637bcf70d:g:FMoAAOSwKgxeghZa (https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/DAWLISH-WARREN-RAILWAY-STATION-DEVON-c1950-PHOTO-5-x-3/164143888141?hash=item2637bcf70d:g:FMoAAOSwKgxeghZa)
Title: Re: My new project - Dawlish Warren
Post by: Chris Morris on March 31, 2020, 08:21:13 AM


Layout is looking superb!  I got a prompt on ebay about a photo of my area and this one was on their listings too ... no doubt you have seen it , but thought it was worth sharing in case you hadn't

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/DAWLISH-WARREN-RAILWAY-STATION-DEVON-c1950-PHOTO-5-x-3/164143888141?hash=item2637bcf70d:g:FMoAAOSwKgxeghZa (https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/DAWLISH-WARREN-RAILWAY-STATION-DEVON-c1950-PHOTO-5-x-3/164143888141?hash=item2637bcf70d:g:FMoAAOSwKgxeghZa)

Thanks. Photos on ebay are a really useful source of information. As I only want them for personal use just viewing them on ebay will usually give me all the information I need. I have also gone through a very large number of  railway photo books taking photos of any appropriate pages. So far as I am aware this is ok for personal use so long as I don't publish them anywhere. The Newton Abbot library has quite a good resource; they claim to have the largest collection of railway related books outside of the National Railway Museum. You have to ask in advance because they aren't on show and I think only one person knows how to find things but they have a large number of BR working timetables which can be viewed at the library.
Title: Re: My new project - Dawlish Warren
Post by: Chris Morris on March 31, 2020, 08:51:25 AM
A few of my own photos of the real place.

HRH passing through Dawlish Warren back in 1988 I think
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/89/3123-310320084732.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=89901)


I'm glad I bought lots of Woodland Scenics bushes and foliage clumps before the lockdown. Adding all that vegitation is going to take a while...
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/89/3123-310320084818.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=89902)




Oh rats - my cliffs are too evenly shaped. Maybe trying to follow the shaping of the real thing wouldn't have looked right in model form. That's going to be my excuse anyway!
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/89/3123-310320085118.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=89903)
Title: Re: My new project - Dawlish Warren
Post by: crewearpley40 on March 31, 2020, 08:59:03 AM
Heres 1057 Western Chieftain heading out of dawlish . C 1975
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/89/3894-310320085853.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=89904)

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/89/3894-310320090159.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=89906)
Title: Re: My new project - Dawlish Warren
Post by: Innovationgame on March 31, 2020, 09:00:24 AM
Heres 1057 Western Chieftain heading out of dawlish . C 1975
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/89/3894-310320085853.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=89904)
Wow!  Was this in Australia?
Title: Re: My new project - Dawlish Warren
Post by: Chris Morris on March 31, 2020, 09:00:43 AM
Heres 1057 Western Chieftain heading out of dawlish . C 1975
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/89/3894-310320085853.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=89904)

Is that the Australian version? Oops - I was too slow there.
Title: Re: My new project - Dawlish Warren
Post by: Chris Morris on March 31, 2020, 09:03:52 AM
Luckily for me I don't have room on my version for that bit of wasteland just behind the tracks.
Whilst my platforms are correct scale length for the 1960s I have had to drop pretty much a whole HST length between the little footbridge and Langstone Rock. Compressing and omitting things isn't great but has to be done.  At least mine will end up being a prettier version, while hopefully still keeping the important bits.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/89/3123-310320090327.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=89907)
Title: Re: My new project - Dawlish Warren
Post by: crewearpley40 on March 31, 2020, 09:04:20 AM
No sorry having problems with photos turning upside down. Very modellable trains
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/89/3894-310320090407.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=89908)
Title: Re: My new project - Dawlish Warren
Post by: exmouthcraig on March 31, 2020, 09:06:15 AM
Looking good Chris, I do love how the footbridge steps were built to mimmick Brunels pumping house towers at Starcross.

I hope you have the same  :D
Title: Re: My new project - Dawlish Warren
Post by: crewearpley40 on March 31, 2020, 09:10:29 AM
Apologies some reason pics are turned round and I'm rather up against it today. Stay saFe happy modelling
Title: Re: My new project - Dawlish Warren
Post by: Chris Morris on March 31, 2020, 09:10:52 AM
Looking good Chris, I do love how the footbridge steps were built to mimmick Brunels pumping house towers at Starcross.

I hope you have the same  :D

See page 5 of this thread.
Title: Re: My new project - Dawlish Warren
Post by: exmouthcraig on March 31, 2020, 09:12:43 AM
 :claphappy: nice job Sir!!!!
Title: Re: My new project - Dawlish Warren
Post by: tunneroner61 on March 31, 2020, 10:52:41 AM
@Chris Morris (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=3123) have you come across this web site yet? http://www.dawlishtrains.com/dawlish-sea-wall.html (http://www.dawlishtrains.com/dawlish-sea-wall.html)
Mainly Dawlish sea wall itself but a few of the Warren over the years. I'm enjoying your build,

cheers Norman
Title: Re: My new project - Dawlish Warren
Post by: Chris Morris on March 31, 2020, 11:26:43 AM
Thanks for the link Norman. I found the Facebook group

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/89/3123-310320112634.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=89926)
Title: Re: My new project - Dawlish Warren
Post by: Chris Morris on March 31, 2020, 11:37:23 AM
Now here's an unusual view. If I was making it up I wouldn't put a set of steps straight up the cliffs. Real life can be stranger than fiction.
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/89/3123-310320113714.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=89929)
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