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Title: NGS Journal 6/19 and BR Blue
Post by: Ted on November 22, 2019, 11:21:24 AM
I just wanted to say the latest journal has landed and it's great.

I really like the "BR Blue" supplement. I appreciate that must have taken some time to put together, in addition to the journal itself.

Hopefully we'll get a "Railfreight" supplement in the future!  :D
Title: Re: NGS Journal 6/19 and BR Blue
Post by: Ensign Elliott on November 22, 2019, 12:38:27 PM
Mine arrived yesterday - the BR Supplement was a nice surprise.

Pleased to see my article in there too!
Title: Re: NGS Journal 6/19 and BR Blue
Post by: NeMo on November 22, 2019, 12:57:48 PM
Thanks both!

The BR Blue supplement was actually proposed long before Grahame stepped down. In the event, since it was mostly written by the time I took over from him, I hoped that making it the supplement for 2019 would not be seen as self-indulgent! Barry Sargeant's excellent 'Par Road' layout is featured throughout, alongside my own photos from the early 1980s, and some by Richard Bardsley of various preserved stock.

As for the Journal, I hope the variety of articles pleases. Some readers felt the very long piece on the German layout was excessive. I certainly enjoyed editing the Minitrix piece, and hope others will be inspired to write these sorts of thorough historical reviews now and again!

Cheers, NeMo
Title: Re: NGS Journal 6/19 and BR Blue
Post by: Ted on November 22, 2019, 01:01:40 PM
It's always difficult (impossible) to cater to everyone's tastes, but I enjoy at least looking at alternative eras etc.

Hence a Railfrieght supplement would be awesome, but I realise half the readership might not be as enthused. The same goes for any topic.

The important thing is quality coverage and variety, which having only received two copies thus far (new-ish member), I think you're doing well at.
Title: Re: NGS Journal 6/19 and BR Blue
Post by: NeMo on November 22, 2019, 01:32:43 PM
Hence a Railfrieght supplement would be awesome, but I realise half the readership might not be as enthused. The same goes for any topic.

Short answer, @Ted (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=6946), is come at me with either an article proposal or some ideas for an actual supplement. I wonder if something that spans both Railfreight and the shadow/early franchises might not be even better? I for one know relatively little about the likes of Mainline and Loadhaul.

Thinking about a supplement, something that covered the way freight was handled might appeal. For example:

Anything really that spurs people into designing a new layout is always a good sign!

Cheers, NeMo
Title: Re: NGS Journal 6/19 and BR Blue
Post by: Newportnobby on November 22, 2019, 02:00:39 PM
Must admit when mine dropped through the letterbox today I thought someone had goofed and I'd got 2 Journals. Blue era not my choice (you can have any loco you want as long as it's blue - to paraphrase Henry Ford) but I'll get round to reading over this weekend.
Title: Re: NGS Journal 6/19 and BR Blue
Post by: Ted on November 22, 2019, 02:27:33 PM
Hence a Railfrieght supplement would be awesome, but I realise half the readership might not be as enthused. The same goes for any topic.

Short answer, @Ted (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=6946), is come at me with either an article proposal or some ideas for an actual supplement. I wonder if something that spans both Railfreight and the shadow/early franchises might not be even better? I for one know relatively little about the likes of Mainline and Loadhaul.

Thinking about a supplement, something that covered the way freight was handled might appeal. For example:
  • Small/local container sites that are easily modelled using mobile cranes
  • Coal traffic and the types of wagons used at particular periods and/or locations
  • Alternatives to wagon-load freight that might be modelled on shunting-plank type layouts
  • Niche trains such as nuclear flask and MoD trains

Anything really that spurs people into designing a new layout is always a good sign!

Cheers, NeMo

I am certainly no expert, so if you needed someone to write the article - I'd be no good (not a cop out I assure you).

However, if you just needed ideas then no problem.

In fact, I really like your first point about "Small/local container sites that are easily modelled using mobile cranes".

A few other ideas:

Title: Re: NGS Journal 6/19 and BR Blue
Post by: Papyrus on November 22, 2019, 05:28:53 PM
Mine arrived yesterday, and another cracking issue - thanks Neale! I particularly liked John Heath's long article on the Minitrix saga, and the one on videoing your layout.

I'm sure the BR Blue supplement is very good, but it's not my era I'm afraid! I don't want to just bin it, so if there is any non-member out there who would like my copy, please PM me. Or I might put it on the free items page of the Nporium.

Cheers,

Chris
Title: Re: NGS Journal 6/19 and BR Blue
Post by: Papyrus on November 22, 2019, 05:41:19 PM

I'm sure the BR Blue supplement is very good, but it's not my era I'm afraid! I don't want to just bin it, so if there is any non-member out there who would like my copy, please PM me.


Got a taker already!!

 :NGaugersRule:

Chris
Title: Re: NGS Journal 6/19 and BR Blue
Post by: railsquid on November 23, 2019, 12:21:48 AM
As for the Journal, I hope the variety of articles pleases. Some readers felt the very long piece on the German layout was excessive.

It was the highlight of that issue for me, personally I find it very interesting how entire layouts are constructed. I presume those complaining were able to provide you with some content more to their taste?

Looking forward to the BR Blue supplement  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: NGS Journal 6/19 and BR Blue
Post by: ngaugepaul on November 23, 2019, 02:38:19 PM
Just glanced at my copy which arrived yesterday and my first impression is that the journal and blue supplement both look very clear and bright.
A credit to all concerned.
Title: Re: NGS Journal 6/19 and BR Blue
Post by: Upperton on November 24, 2019, 10:28:10 AM
I was late renewing my NGS this year, and have received two NGS Journals (and one supplement) in as many weeks. Pretty much read cover to cover now, well done NeMo (and team)  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: NGS Journal 6/19 and BR Blue
Post by: Skyline2uk on November 24, 2019, 01:08:37 PM
I have finished reading the BR blue supplement (cover to cover, very well written and interesting).

Started flipping through the main journal and newsletter, some things to go back and read in detail.

As per the last issue, this is a quality professional publication.

As for the Journal, I hope the variety of articles pleases. Some readers felt the very long piece on the German layout was excessive.

It was the highlight of that issue for me, personally I find it very interesting how entire layouts are constructed. I presume those complaining were able to provide you with some content more to their taste?

Looking forward to the BR Blue supplement  :thumbsup:

Understandably diplomatic, but one letter (that I saw) seems to be from a member complaining about that layout article. The reason given being “this must have cost thousands and not everybody can afford to spend that”.... ???

What, so the journal should only show “cheap” layouts? I couldn’t afford the layout in question IN ONE GO, but over a lengthy enjoyable period in the hobby? Maybe!

Surely that is the point of showing layouts, inspiration / aspiration?

I commented that the article in question was a highlight for me in the last issue, and I don’t model German or DCC.

Anyway, rant over.

Thanks again @NeMo (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=945) , excellent work.

Skyline2uk
Title: Re: NGS Journal 6/19 and BR Blue
Post by: Paulwhitt20 on November 24, 2019, 05:03:53 PM
I’ve just finished reading the BR Blue supplement.
Very interesting and informative. A useful reference to keep handy.
Thank You
Paul
Title: Re: NGS Journal 6/19 and BR Blue
Post by: sg on November 24, 2019, 10:20:08 PM
Enjoyed the BR Blue supplement and looking forward to reading the Journal. Thanks again to all involved. 
Title: Re: NGS Journal 6/19 and BR Blue
Post by: maridunian on November 25, 2019, 05:39:51 AM
I've enjoyed both the last two editions. Variety is the spice of life, and the more diverse the better, not just topics, but also having short, focused articles amongst the longer, more comprehensive descriptions of large and complex layouts is ideal.

Mike
Title: Re: NGS Journal 6/19 and BR Blue
Post by: The Q on November 25, 2019, 08:13:43 AM
Blue period is only a slight interest to me as I model 1963 in N, and 29th May 1940 in EM.  As for cheap layouts It would be like todays TV, dumbing down to the lowest possible level, layout of all styles and expenses should be included.

I am finding modelling increasingly too expensive, but that is mostly prebuilt items, I see this as forcing a partial return to genuine modelling rather than Ready to Plonking. Maybe this will in the end improve the standard of modelling overall?
Title: Re: NGS Journal 6/19 and BR Blue
Post by: Cooper on November 25, 2019, 04:11:25 PM
I enjoyed the article about the German layout in the previous journal as it made me think how I could model Ironbridge gorge perhaps using similar ideas. After all it is just another river valley with railways either side.  As to expense, over the years I have spent a small fortune on stock awaiting the layout to run it on, but only at what I can afford each month. The BR blue supplement is very welcome too. Keep up the good work Neale!
Title: Re: NGS Journal 6/19 and BR Blue
Post by: maridunian on November 25, 2019, 06:24:08 PM
I am finding modelling increasingly too expensive, but that is mostly prebuilt items, I see this as forcing a partial return to genuine modelling rather than Ready to Plonking. Maybe this will in the end improve the standard of modelling overall?

Yes, I agree and hopefully the Journal can show that model making doesn't have to be expensive. Having only one pair of hands each, making does tend to limit how fast you spend, unlike shopping technology which enables you to spend it ever-faster!

Mike
Title: Re: NGS Journal 6/19 and BR Blue
Post by: Bealman on November 29, 2019, 03:36:06 AM
My copy arrived here in Oz this morning. I've had a quick flip through, and there appears to be a good selection of articles in there. The Minitrix history looks interesting as I have a goodly selection of those locos.

The BR Blue supplement is a magazine itself! Impressive.

I have no interest in modelling the period as I am firmly entrenched in BR green-maroon, but the supplement is still of great interest to me as I spent a lot of time travelling on blue DMUs in the early seventies.

This era was what used to be called by the Railway Modeller magazine "Modern Image" - not any more, it ain't!!!  ;D
Title: Re: NGS Journal 6/19 and BR Blue
Post by: Graham on November 29, 2019, 06:12:48 AM
well if George (@Bealman) has his I should get mine some time next week. looking forward to reading it, have thoroughly enjoyed reading the last couple since the change of editor.
Title: Re: NGS Journal 6/19 and BR Blue
Post by: crewearpley40 on November 29, 2019, 06:18:30 AM
Lots of positiive comments about the BR blue era supplement. But those wlho like you george prefer the 50s / 60s  fair play
 Modern image is just a label thats outdated
 I would suggest, pre grouping  the big four, post nationalisation,  transition steam to diesel era
, 70s / 80s  sectorisation  privatisation and
 Up to date as terms we could use
Title: Re: NGS Journal 6/19 and BR Blue
Post by: Upperton on November 29, 2019, 10:08:21 AM

 I would suggest, pre grouping  the big four, post nationalisation,  transition steam to diesel era
, 70s / 80s  sectorisation  privatisation and
 Up to date as terms we could use

Manufacturers seem keen on pushing thier numbers system for all the Era's, think they are up to Era 11?

Far less confusing for enthusiasts in the way you have listed. Though I can see it being a good system if an item is being purchased by a family member and go on which number Era you're into.

Have read the Blue supplement this week, very good read  :thumbsup:


Title: Re: NGS Journal 6/19 and BR Blue
Post by: crewearpley40 on November 29, 2019, 10:11:40 AM
Thanks be reading when have a chance ! AND thanks for supporting my thoughts
Title: Re: NGS Journal 6/19 and BR Blue
Post by: Roy L S on November 30, 2019, 01:39:05 PM
Had mine a while now but only had a chance today to have a good read.

I think the Journal is a publication that just seems to go up and up in quality.

To be honest the long article in the last issue didn't work for me, but this one has got it spot on. Lots in there covering a whole range of different interests - something for everyone.

My favourite article was Trinity Road - a terrific little layout in only 4ft x 2ft showing just what can be done using N even in such a small space.

I don't model the era but going to school and growing up during the BR blue era, I took an interest in the railways around me so found the supplement quite a nostalgic read.

All I can say is keep up the great work.

Roy
Title: Re: NGS Journal 6/19 and BR Blue
Post by: NeMo on November 30, 2019, 02:43:23 PM
To be honest the long article in the last issue didn't work for me, but this one has got it spot on. Lots in there covering a whole range of different interests - something for everyone.

Thank you!

I agree, on balance, I can see that super-long articles would have to be very occasional features of the Journal. I still think Rheinbrucke is an amazing layout, and the article is a very good read. But if I was doing that issue again, I'd either spread it across two issues, or else edit the article more tightly to reduce it by, say, a third. You live and learn, I guess!

The Minitrix article in 6/19 has gone down very well, I'm pleased to report. Again, this was a long article, but I did indeed decide to cut it into two pieces (the second will be in 1/20). John Heath has a very readable style, and his article is absolutely and precisely the kind of thing I'd enjoy reading in the Journal, while never expecting to see such a piece in the 00-centric mainstream magazines. I hope others feel the same way, and in due course, perhaps we'll see more of this historical reviews of N Gauge. (If you read my Editorial, you might detect my subtle fishing for such! I'd love to know more about the origin of Peco's Jubilee for example, or the behind-the-scenes story of Lima.)

Space permitting, the articles that should be in the next issue include something on N-scale broad gauge; the fantastic 'Shirebrook' layout featured on the cover of 5/19; a minimum space GWR/SR terminus; and an introduction to the use of stripboard. There are at least four rolling stock modelling projects (including, alas, one by me) which I think will cater to those who enjoy being inspired but don't want to spend a fortune building a whole new layout. I love kit-building even if I'm not especially good, and feel kits are the perfect antidote to the idea of 'chequebook modelling' that's only accessible to those with thousands of pounds available to spend on the hobby.

While I've got piles of articles to work through, I do still want more! I don't get nearly enough non-UK stuff, and really want to receive more.

Cheers, NeMo
Title: Re: NGS Journal 6/19 and BR Blue
Post by: railsquid on November 30, 2019, 03:24:49 PM
I heard the roar of the Japan Post motorbike late this afternoon as it pulled up outside and dropped something with a noticeable thud into the mailbox, which I guessed was the current issue, and it was. Haven't read it all yet but good stuff (even the stuff I'm not really interested in).

Two small corrections for the RTR list at the back of the BR Blue supplement:
- the 150 "Sprinter" DMU is by Bachmann-Farish, not Dapol
- the DCC-ready Class 50 is by Dapol, not Bachmann-Farish

For my sins, and given a bit of time, I could probably put something together on Lima...
Title: Re: NGS Journal 6/19 and BR Blue
Post by: NeMo on November 30, 2019, 03:28:25 PM
Two small corrections for the RTR list at the back of the BR Blue supplement:
- the 150 "Sprinter" DMU is by Bachmann-Farish, not Dapol
- the DCC-ready Class 50 is by Dapol, not Bachmann-Farish
Oops!  :-[

For my sins, and given a bit of time, I could probably put something together on Lima...

Yay!  :goggleeyes:

NeMo
Title: Re: NGS Journal 6/19 and BR Blue
Post by: railsquid on November 30, 2019, 03:59:43 PM
Oh, and to partially answer the question in the editorial about Continental Lima N gauge, from what I've seen of it, it's not substantially better than the British models and suffers from the same awful pancake motor, apart from models released towards the end, which had a can motor but still with drive on one bogie, pickups on the other. I believe they did this with the Class 86 and Class 31 as well, though I've never seen one in the flesh, so to speak. I do have the DB BR403 "Lufthansa Express" (aka "Donald Duck") which has this mechanism, and for a Lima N gauge model it's surprisingly not bad, but if you look at stuff say Kato was making at the same time (e.g. the classic TGV) it's still pretty primitive (though ironically if you want an N-gauge model of the BR403, AFAIK the Lima one is the only option).
Title: Re: NGS Journal 6/19 and BR Blue
Post by: Portpatrick on November 30, 2019, 04:00:42 PM
A great edition and I did like the Blue era supplement even though it is not my era.  My only comment relates to the use of Bubble Car single Diesels on the Watford to St Albans Branch.  I have lived in Watford and close to the line since 1975.  From the start my general impression was that the Abbey Flyer as we call it was usually formed of 2 car units.  I used it regularly from 1981 until into electrification, and it was always a 2 car unit then.    From memory Cravens or 104s.  Don't think I saw a MetroCam or Derby on it though some might correct me.  I undertsand one class 122 was stationed at Bletchley for a while in the late 70s so may sometimes have found its way to Watford.  Single cars would certainly have sufficed for daytime patronage.  But the key evening and morning trains were well loaded.
Title: Re: NGS Journal 6/19 and BR Blue
Post by: NeMo on November 30, 2019, 04:38:48 PM
A great edition and I did like the Blue era supplement even though it is not my era.

Great! Appreciate not to everyone's taste, but hopefully entertaining anyway.

A great edition and I did like the Blue era supplement even though it is not my era.  My only comment relates to the use of Bubble Car single Diesels on the Watford to St Albans Branch.

You are quite right that they weren't common, but they were used occasionally, according to 'The Watford to St Albans Branch' book at least.  Including the Class 122s here was merely to give an indication of the sort of suburban rather than rural situation where you might see these DMUs. Did you see my article on the Abbey Line a year or two back? That had a much more detailed review of what you'd see; to wit:
Quote

While passenger services today are worked by electric multiple units, on occasions there have been steam specials, and in the past an assortment of diesel multiple units were used prior to electrification, which began in 1987 and wasn’t completed until 1990. Classes 101, 104, 105 and 108 were all used extensively at various times, yielding to Class 313 and 321 electric multiple units once the overhead wires were switched on. Class 350 ‘Desiro’ units have recently been tested on the line, and will probably be used in the near future, but are not currently used for routine services. When electrical multiple units couldn’t be used because of engineering works or some other reason, ‘Sprinters’ have been drafted in from Bletchley for use on the St Albans line, and on at least one occasion, a Class 31 diesel has been reported dragging a failed multiple unit up and down the line!

I use this line once or twice a week, and have a great fondness for it, hence my desire to make it better known to railway modellers outside of West Herts!

Cheers, NeMo
Title: Re: NGS Journal 6/19 and BR Blue
Post by: crewearpley40 on November 30, 2019, 05:14:14 PM
Anybody intetested i have the bletchley fleet numbers pre 1977 workings. 
Title: Re: NGS Journal 6/19 and BR Blue
Post by: Cooper on November 30, 2019, 07:14:31 PM
Abbey Line thread hijack!

I have seen a bubble car on the line in the late 70s and its stuck in my memory because it was unusual.

After electrification it was a solid 321 turn but 313s took over early 90s until LM was formed in 2007 and 321s returned.

I have driven 117 DMU power twins and a 150/2 loaned for a period when the oberhead power was scheduled to be off. Otherwise it was 313 or 321 all through the 1990s and 321 only under LM until the 319s arrived after an administrative Large Chicken :)-up moved the 321s on.
Title: Re: NGS Journal 6/19 and BR Blue
Post by: NeMo on November 30, 2019, 07:18:13 PM
Otherwise it was 313 or 321 all through the 1990s and 321 only under LM until the 319s arrived after an administrative Large Chicken :)-up moved the 321s on.

Yep, my experience too. 313s through the 1990s and early 2000s, and 321s thereafter. The 319s were sadly a sign of things to come. They do a lot of the WCML turns that I ride on, and they are more often late than on time. Some are so wheezy they only just about make it. Not sure what the problem is, but I miss my 350s! Those are lovely trains to ride on! Toasty warm in winter, pleasantly cooled in summer. I hope them come back soon.

Cheers, NeMo
Title: Re: NGS Journal 6/19 and BR Blue
Post by: crewearpley40 on November 30, 2019, 07:25:07 PM
M55009 was the 121 in addition to class 105 but heyho still the article brought memories back
Title: Re: NGS Journal 6/19 and BR Blue
Post by: Cooper on November 30, 2019, 09:56:22 PM
M55009 was the 121 in addition to class 105 but heyho still the article brought memories back

Yes that was the one I saw in Watford yard having been on the Abbey.
Title: Re: NGS Journal 6/19 and BR Blue
Post by: crewearpley40 on December 01, 2019, 03:19:22 AM
Good old days cooper. Still have the class 105 list plus memories off classes  of emu ^s but thats another long story. Chris
Title: Re: NGS Journal 6/19 and BR Blue
Post by: NeMo on December 01, 2019, 08:52:38 AM
M55009 was the 121 in addition to class 105 but heyho still the article brought memories back
Then job done.

Cheers, NeMo
Title: Re: NGS Journal 6/19 and BR Blue
Post by: BramptonBranch on December 03, 2019, 01:06:35 PM
To echo an earlier post thought the Minitrix article was really interesting, looking forward to part two.
Personally you can never have to many Minitrix warships!!

Andy
Title: Re: NGS Journal 6/19 and BR Blue
Post by: NeMo on December 03, 2019, 01:08:14 PM
To echo an earlier post thought the Minitrix article was really interesting, looking forward to part two.
Good to know! I really enjoyed working with John Heath on this.

Personally you can never have to many Minitrix warships!!
Oddly enough, I really don't like them, despite being a huge 'hydraulic' fan otherwise. A bit like the Farish 'Western', I fear they fall into 'uncanny valley' for me!

Cheers, NeMo
Title: Re: NGS Journal 6/19 and BR Blue
Post by: Newportnobby on December 04, 2019, 04:15:29 PM
I finally got time to sit and read the supplement this afternoon and, although not my era, found it an enjoyable and interesting read, not least the description on page 34 of the virtue of a certain lady contracted to improve BR catering ;D
The actual opening paragraph of the supplement was very telling in that, to me, the BR Blue era took away much interest as everything became the same corporate colour and the wonderful (IMO) liveries and many of the locos bit the dust :(
Such is progress (?)
I would like to find out more about the soon defunct destination codes as the brief listing at the back (page 44) lists the types of train 1-0 but destination A (as seen on the front cover) is not listed (London??) and the 2 number suffix is still a mystery to me. Anyone know of a comprehensive website please?
Title: Re: NGS Journal 6/19 and BR Blue
Post by: crewearpley40 on December 04, 2019, 04:51:24 PM
Google diesel headcodetrain reporting numbers and see wiki list. Mick i have pm"ed you privately. Each region was different. Igg.org.uk maybe useful.
Title: Re: NGS Journal 6/19 and BR Blue
Post by: NeMo on December 04, 2019, 04:57:36 PM
I would like to find out more about the soon defunct destination codes as the brief listing at the back (page 44) lists the types of train 1-0 but destination A (as seen on the front cover) is not listed (London??) and the 2 number suffix is still a mystery to me. Anyone know of a comprehensive website please?

It depends on the region the train is on. See the review of the Class 50 in the Journal to give some examples, i.e.,

"The headcode boxes themselves stand close scrutiny, with a wealth of detail barely visible without a magnifying glass. The train reporting numbers are delicately printed, but still legible, especially when illuminated. These are, specifically, 1A35 at the A-end and 1B65 at the B-end. While working on the LMR these would be fast passenger or parcel trains headed for Scotland, while on the Western these would be headed for London or South Wales respectively."

Cheers, NeMo
Title: Re: NGS Journal 6/19 and BR Blue
Post by: crewearpley40 on December 04, 2019, 05:13:06 PM
Examples 1A 01 would have been euston bound
1M02 would have been an interregional london midland bound. 1E 09 eastern bound, 1V 88 bound the western. Depends what region. On the WR 1Axx would have been apaddington service, 1B xx south wales bound, 1C xx plymouth ,penzance. Think 1 is express, 2 a local  the letterdonated the region, its destination,  its working, the numbers the service train at the time of day
Title: Re: NGS Journal 6/19 and BR Blue
Post by: railsquid on December 04, 2019, 11:08:08 PM
I would like to find out more about the soon defunct destination codes as the brief listing at the back (page 44) lists the types of train 1-0 but destination A (as seen on the front cover) is not listed (London??) and the 2 number suffix is still a mystery to me. Anyone know of a comprehensive website please?

I'm sure there was an article (or series of articles) on those in the journal a while back.

Edited to add: index says "Headcodes - a Further Examination. N.D-Sigsworth 2/2018".
Title: Re: NGS Journal 6/19 and BR Blue
Post by: Leon on December 05, 2019, 01:47:41 AM
I am finding modelling increasingly too expensive, but that is mostly prebuilt items, I see this as forcing a partial return to genuine modelling rather than Ready to Plonking. Maybe this will, in the end, improve the standard of modelling overall?

Here, here! Art collecting was too expensive for me, also, but I never stopped until there was no longer room to hang (or store) my collection. What I did do, however, was confine my buying to art I could afford. Fortunately, the marketplace provided a sufficient volume that I able to do that.

The point about returning to "genuine" modelling is a good one, I think, and one to which many of us should give serious consideration. In fairness, it should be said that market demands DO dictate prices. Participation in forums such as this and NGS subscriptions promote market demand. If modellers want the kind of detail that I see promoted in many posts here and in articles in the NGS Journal we can expect nothing short of an expensive hobby becoming even more expensive. Some of us will certainly want to seek a less expensive approach to the fulfillment of our need to model railroads.

Leon
Title: Re: NGS Journal 6/19 and BR Blue
Post by: Leon on December 05, 2019, 02:05:50 AM
I've no idea why the majority of us model railway layouts, so perhaps my reason is in the minority (and maybe even the "tiny" minority). Nostalgia is my reason! Recollections of the sounds and sights of trains in the '40s and '50s and the colorful liveries of trains and carriages in the Edinburgh stations during the early '60s. But, I've also a fondness for British Rail's "Blue Period" of the '70s. I've looked at the Journal pictures and look forward to reading what I'm sure is a splendid article.

Leon
Title: Re: NGS Journal 6/19 and BR Blue
Post by: Train Waiting on December 05, 2019, 08:57:29 AM
The BR system is interesting as regards inter-regional traffic (and pretty much continues in use, although there were some changes over the years).  Trains to the LMR were 'M', to the WR, 'V' ('W' would not fit in the head code boxes I understand!), to  the ER and NER were 'E' and to the ScR were 'S'.  For instance, 1S25 was the 1630 (SX) KX to Waverley - maybe still is.
'Z' is a special train - for example 1Z28, which was D9007 Pinza working a train to Edinburgh over the Waverley Route on 4 January, 1969, two days before the railway closed.
Now that there is no need to display the head code on the front of the train, 'W' has started to be used to designate a train which has its running carefully monitored and prioritised.  Earlier this year the Down 'Highland Chieftain' (1200 KX - Inverness) changed from 1S16 to 1W96 for this reason.

Best wishes.

John
Title: Re: NGS Journal 6/19 and BR Blue
Post by: Newportnobby on December 05, 2019, 03:50:13 PM
New thread started so as not to clog this one up..............

https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=47507.msg605490#msg605490 (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=47507.msg605490#msg605490)
Title: Re: NGS Journal 6/19 and BR Blue
Post by: grumbeast on December 05, 2019, 09:31:43 PM
I've no idea why the majority of us model railway layouts, so perhaps my reason is in the minority (and maybe even the "tiny" minority). Nostalgia is my reason! Recollections of the sounds and sights of trains in the '40s and '50s and the colorful liveries of trains and carriages in the Edinburgh stations during the early '60s. But, I've also a fondness for British Rail's "Blue Period" of the '70s. I've looked at the Journal pictures and look forward to reading what I'm sure is a splendid article.

Leon
I think Nostalgia tends to be a dirty word these days, a sentiment with which I wholly disagree.  My problem is that I feel nostalgic about places and periods I never personally experienced!  I grew up during BR Blue and have a place in my heart for it, but show me a green 40 on Maroon coaching stock, a clapped out black 5 on the S&C or a New York Central J3a on the 20th Century limited careening along the Hudson and I just long to be back there standing trackside. This makes modelling a real challenge, I just want it all :) !
Title: Re: NGS Journal 6/19 and BR Blue
Post by: Vigo on December 05, 2019, 10:21:04 PM
I read both the mag and the supplement last week, cover to cover. They brightened up an otherwise boring night shift.

The Minitrix article, as mentioned, I thought was excellent as was the photography/video article.  A big well done to all concerned.


btw I even managed to complete the wordsearch the same night too. Sneaky.
Title: Re: NGS Journal 6/19 and BR Blue
Post by: Connel Ferry on December 10, 2019, 11:23:47 PM
Absolutely brilliant supplement. Just what I needed !  :thumbsup: :D

Iain
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Title: Re: NGS Journal 6/19 and BR Blue
Post by: Markthetog on December 12, 2019, 07:34:41 PM
Another vote from the "It's not my era but was fascinating" camp re the Supplement. The journal itself was a brilliant read too. I don't just want to read about what I'm modelling, I want to see what everyone else is doing no matter what era (or continent for that matter!). I'm looking forward to the next issue.
Title: Re: NGS Journal 6/19 and BR Blue
Post by: DarrwestLU6 on January 07, 2020, 07:49:17 PM
Me too! Not my era but fascinating! I learnt a lot and found ithe Supplement very informative, and a nice addition to the regular mag. Must get round to writing to say thank you!
Title: Re: NGS Journal 6/19 and BR Blue
Post by: DarrwestLU6 on January 13, 2020, 10:05:34 PM
Hence a Railfrieght supplement would be awesome, but I realise half the readership might not be as enthused. The same goes for any topic.

Short answer, @Ted (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=6946), is come at me with either an article proposal or some ideas for an actual supplement. I wonder if something that spans both Railfreight and the shadow/early franchises might not be even better? I for one know relatively little about the likes of Mainline and Loadhaul.

Thinking about a supplement, something that covered the way freight was handled might appeal. For example:
  • Small/local container sites that are easily modelled using mobile cranes
  • Coal traffic and the types of wagons used at particular periods and/or locations
  • Alternatives to wagon-load freight that might be modelled on shunting-plank type layouts
  • Niche trains such as nuclear flask and MoD trains

Anything really that spurs people into designing a new layout is always a good sign!

Cheers, NeMo

All sound like great topics for a freight supplement @NeMo (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=945), especially with some signposts to articles, NGS websites or documents showing how to model the various wagons. I for example have no clue what the various wagon codes mean, with only one or two exceptions!
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