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Title: LMS 40 Ton hopper wagon.
Post by: emjaybee on October 01, 2019, 10:13:26 PM
So, while I'm waiting to resolve an issue with some resin Cromwell tanks I'm struggling with I've made a start on something else....

....to turn this....

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/82/5604-011019220435.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=82243)

...into one of these....

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/82/5604-011019220524.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=82244)

I purchased two of these Fleischmann wagons on FleaBay for £15.

I've stripped one down and started by reducing the height of the hopper by a scale foot. I've got to alter the shape of the hopper top a bit, so I'm having a go with some MilliPut. I'm not sure if this product is the most suitable, I'll find out shortly.

Has anyone got any other suggestions for products to build up areas for re-shaping?

Does anyone do custom transfers? I know there's a few sites that do standard wagon letters/numbers, but is there anyone who will do you a sheet of custom numbers for beasts such as these?

 :wave:


Title: Re: LMS 40 Ton hopper wagon.
Post by: Bealman on October 01, 2019, 10:25:23 PM
Can't answer your questions, but what an inspired idea! How did you come up with it?

I didn't even know of such an LMS wagon!

The idea is very original, and I hope you get the help you need.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: LMS 40 Ton hopper wagon.
Post by: emjaybee on October 01, 2019, 10:58:47 PM
Can't answer your questions, but what an inspired idea! How did you come up with it?

I didn't even know of such an LMS wagon!

The idea is very original, and I hope you get the help you need.  :thumbsup:

I have two socking great big books....

LMS Wagons, Vol 1, & Vol 2 by R.J.Essery.

There's wagons in there you wouldn't believe, from the sublime to the ridiculous!

 :goggleeyes:
Title: Re: LMS 40 Ton hopper wagon.
Post by: Bealman on October 01, 2019, 11:01:07 PM
Ah, yes, by the LMS guru himself.  :thumbsup: :thankyousign:
Title: Re: LMS 40 Ton hopper wagon.
Post by: zwilnik on October 01, 2019, 11:05:56 PM
They look far too similar to be co-incidental. Were the LMS trialing German rolling stock captured during the war by any chance?
Title: Re: LMS 40 Ton hopper wagon.
Post by: emjaybee on October 01, 2019, 11:11:29 PM
They look far too similar to be co-incidental. Were the LMS trialing German rolling stock captured during the war by any chance?

I'm with you, seriously, what are the chances of two companies in two different countries coming up with almost identical wagons?

I'm guessing one was inspired by the other.
Title: Re: LMS 40 Ton hopper wagon.
Post by: Safety Engineer on October 01, 2019, 11:52:16 PM
Always thought the originals brought coal to the LMS power station at Stonebridge Park (for the Euston/Watford DC trains). We used to see them going South, on the WCML at Hatch End when I was train spotting in the early 60s.

Martin
Title: Re: LMS 40 Ton hopper wagon.
Post by: honk843 on October 02, 2019, 12:04:54 AM
I did think of trying this but other projects got in the way. I think I would have gone for the Minitrix ones though.

I used MilliPut to repair a damaged resin signal cabin. It took the paint OK to blend in with the original and is still in place over a year later but I am not sure how thick you want this to be. Try to have a look at what the Pottery experts do on the Repair Shop if you can.

The development of railway rolling stock has always been pretty international (the Southern bought L1s from Germany just before the War and used American  designed bogies on their original 40 ton hoppers-forerunner of the Seacow etc.) even if the loading gauge prohibited the widespread direct use of foreign wagons and these wagons. To me they also look like a forerunner of the Consett Iron ore wagons of the fifties/sixties.
Title: Re: LMS 40 Ton hopper wagon.
Post by: emjaybee on October 02, 2019, 12:05:59 AM
Always thought the originals brought coal to the LMS power station at Stonebridge Park (for the Euston/Watford DC trains). We used to see them going South, on the WCML at Hatch End when I was train spotting in the early 60s.

Martin

You're quite correct sir, have yourself a cookie.

 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: LMS 40 Ton hopper wagon.
Post by: emjaybee on October 02, 2019, 12:07:15 AM
I did think of trying this but other projects got in the way. I think I would have gone for the Minitrix ones though.

I used MilliPut to repair a damaged resin signal cabin. It took the paint OK to blend in with the original and is still in place over a year later but I am not sure how thick you want this to be. Try to have a look at what the Pottery experts do on the Repair Shop if you can.

The development of railway rolling stock has always been pretty international (the Southern bought L1s from Germany just before the War and used American  designed bogies on their original 40 ton hoppers-forerunner of the Seacow etc.) even if the loading gauge prohibited the widespread direct use of foreign wagons and these wagons. To me they also look like a forerunner of the Consett Iron ore wagons of the fifties/sixties.

Why do you think the Minitrix ones would be better. I only went for these as I got two for £15.

Title: Re: LMS 40 Ton hopper wagon.
Post by: exmouthcraig on October 02, 2019, 06:49:31 AM
@emjaybee (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=5604) morning Sir, what exactly do you want to do to the wagon?? I know you've said "alter the shape" but which bits exactly?

I know I'd want to try and profile the lower section of the wagon, milliput might work, we have even used it to pack a split in a horses hoof too prevent debris getting inside till the farrier could address the issue!

Depending on the thickness it would add considerable weight to the wagon.

Can you cut profile ribs at quite close centres and over clad with plasticard? To get that sheet metal flatness??? I dont know how much width you need to create the right profile.
Title: Re: LMS 40 Ton hopper wagon.
Post by: crewearpley40 on October 02, 2019, 07:08:16 AM
here 's one for safety engineer and  emjaybee mike



https://www.steve-banks.org/prototype-and-traffic/143-lms-coal-the-40t-hoppers. (https://www.steve-banks.org/prototype-and-traffic/143-lms-coal-the-40t-hoppers.) Its a project he has been working on with a Keith Bristow, who ran a modelling article in Model Rail in the Feb 2013 issue. The aim here is to present some more detail about the bogie 40T wagons and their workings 1929-67 from some collieries in the Midlands to Stonebridge Park power station in north-west London


https://pjbrailwayphotos.piwigo.com/picture?/31655 (https://pjbrailwayphotos.piwigo.com/picture?/31655)

Title: Re: LMS 40 Ton hopper wagon.
Post by: emjaybee on October 02, 2019, 07:48:55 AM
@emjaybee (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=5604) morning Sir, what exactly do you want to do to the wagon?? I know you've said "alter the shape" but which bits exactly?

I know I'd want to try and profile the lower section of the wagon, milliput might work, we have even used it to pack a split in a horses hoof too prevent debris getting inside till the farrier could address the issue!

Depending on the thickness it would add considerable weight to the wagon.

Can you cut profile ribs at quite close centres and over clad with plasticard? To get that sheet metal flatness??? I dont know how much width you need to create the right profile.

I see the wagon in two halves. The hopper top above the 'waistline' and the side discharge doors below.

The lower half doors, in theory should almost have an aircraft wing profile and tuck in more at the bottom closer to the bogie. Tucking in more isn't an option as it will restrict bogie movement and I'm not too worried about the profile as I don't think it'll detract from finished article if I leave them flat. The detail between the doors will be sorted out later.

The hopper top I've lowered by a 'foot' and need to make the sides and ends more slab-sided for want of a better description. The amount of milliput is minimal, about half a sugar cube in total, so I'm not worried about the weight.

I'm not going to tell the wife about the milliput and your horses or that'll be something else that'll become 'my job'.   ;D

Title: Re: LMS 40 Ton hopper wagon.
Post by: exmouthcraig on October 02, 2019, 07:54:39 AM
Should be a relatively easy job then, just another 8 to make the full rake  :D

I think I had chris isherwood???? From Cambridge Custom transfers make me some for a correct rake of Grampus wagons, someone will correct me but decent stuff, really clearly printed, nice to work with and fast turnaround for delivery  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: LMS 40 Ton hopper wagon.
Post by: w greatbatch on October 02, 2019, 07:58:00 AM
Are these the same wagons that were used at thhe Consett Iron works up north ? I think it's an ideal subject for the 3D printer boffins to have a go at.
Title: Re: LMS 40 Ton hopper wagon.
Post by: Bealman on October 02, 2019, 08:11:22 AM
Well if that's true, the original poster is gonna need a 9F  ;)
Title: Re: LMS 40 Ton hopper wagon.
Post by: crewearpley40 on October 02, 2019, 08:13:55 AM
w greatbatch



similar :


http://southpelawjunction.co.uk/wp/?page_id=631 (http://southpelawjunction.co.uk/wp/?page_id=631)

Title: Re: LMS 40 Ton hopper wagon.
Post by: w greatbatch on October 02, 2019, 08:22:30 AM
Sort of similar,but definately different !
Title: Re: LMS 40 Ton hopper wagon.
Post by: emjaybee on October 02, 2019, 08:23:08 AM
Are these the same wagons that were used at thhe Consett Iron works up north ? I think it's an ideal subject for the 3D printer boffins to have a go at.

No, they were much later.
Title: Re: LMS 40 Ton hopper wagon.
Post by: Newportnobby on October 02, 2019, 09:08:21 AM
Well if that's true, the original poster is gonna need a 9F  ;)

Would need to be a Minitrix one as a Dapol one might pull one wagon :-X
Title: Re: LMS 40 Ton hopper wagon.
Post by: Bealman on October 02, 2019, 10:15:49 AM
 :laughabovepost: :laughabovepost:
Title: Re: LMS 40 Ton hopper wagon.
Post by: red_death on October 02, 2019, 11:35:38 AM
For those sort of flat shapes rather than using Miliput I'd probably look at using thin plasticard and then file it to the right shape.

How close are the wagons in size? Apart from filling holes, the really obvious thing (to me!) is the German wagon has two angles on the top part of the hopper whereas the LMS wagon has only one, but that might be possible to file away or overlay. For the wing doors you might be able to file them to profile but the difficulty might be getting a consistent profile - the easiest way might be to create a profile in plasticard so that you can "measure" the profile you've filed - definitely only one to try if you are prepared to write off one wagon for testing!

Cheers Mike
Title: Re: LMS 40 Ton hopper wagon.
Post by: Bealman on October 02, 2019, 11:40:04 AM
It all depends on just how much fidelity to the prototype you want, I guess....

I'd make do with just a good repaint!   :thumbsup:
Title: Re: LMS 40 Ton hopper wagon.
Post by: emjaybee on October 02, 2019, 11:45:56 AM
For those sort of flat shapes rather than using Miliput I'd probably look at using thin plasticard and then file it to the right shape.

How close are the wagons in size? Apart from filling holes, the really obvious thing (to me!) is the German wagon has two angles on the top part of the hopper whereas the LMS wagon has only one, but that might be possible to file away or overlay. For the wing doors you might be able to file them to profile but the difficulty might be getting a consistent profile - the easiest way might be to create a profile in plasticard so that you can "measure" the profile you've filed - definitely only one to try if you are prepared to write off one wagon for testing!

Cheers Mike

I'm using milliput to build up the bottom of the hopper ends and the top of the hopper sides so I can make it more 'square'.

I'll probably leave the doors as is, for the reasons posted earlier.

As regards size, the wagons are about a 'foot' short, and the hopper is about a 'foot' too tall, I've ALREADY solved the height by sanding down the hopper top.

I'm using one as a guinea pig. If it comes out okay I'll do the other one as well.
Title: Re: LMS 40 Ton hopper wagon.
Post by: emjaybee on October 02, 2019, 11:46:48 AM
It all depends on just how much fidelity to the prototype you want, I guess....

I'd make do with just a good repaint!   :thumbsup:

Ooo, you antipodeans are rough.

 :doh:
Title: Re: LMS 40 Ton hopper wagon.
Post by: honk843 on October 02, 2019, 11:47:56 AM


Why do you think the Minitrix ones would be better. I only went for these as I got two for £15.

Same as you --price . At the time Minitrix ones were cheaper and seemed easier to obtain.
Title: Re: LMS 40 Ton hopper wagon.
Post by: emjaybee on October 02, 2019, 11:49:32 AM


Why do you think the Minitrix ones would be better. I only went for these as I got two for £15.

Same as you --price . At the time Minitrix ones were cheaper and seemed easier to obtain.

Fair 'nuf.
Title: Re: LMS 40 Ton hopper wagon.
Post by: honk843 on October 02, 2019, 11:53:42 AM
Well if that's true, the original poster is gonna need a 9F  ;)

Would need to be a Minitrix one as a Dapol one might pull one wagon :-X

Just to balance and old argument. My three Dapol 9Fs happily pull 20 Anhydrite wagons and a brake van, although the front pony does argue with some points but then so do the Minitrix ones
Title: Re: LMS 40 Ton hopper wagon.
Post by: emjaybee on October 02, 2019, 12:43:44 PM
Well if that's true, the original poster is gonna need a 9F  ;)

Would need to be a Minitrix one as a Dapol one might pull one wagon :-X

Just to balance and old argument. My three Dapol 9Fs happily pull 20 Anhydrite wagons and a brake van, although the front pony does argue with some points but then so do the Minitrix ones

Just to tie this bit off, it'll be a LMS wagon, pulled by a LMS loco, and seeing as I'm not planning on building eight, a 5 or an 8F will be fine.
Title: Re: LMS 40 Ton hopper wagon.
Post by: woodbury22uk on October 02, 2019, 01:07:12 PM
Just a little bit off topic, but the German style of wagon also operated in block trains on the Southern Region of BR in the 1960s/1970s. They were referred to as LHBs as they were built by Linke Hoffmann Busch. I think they may have worked for a company subsequently absorbed into Hall Aggregates, and then RMC. Not near my books at the moment to confirm the owner and route.
Title: Re: LMS 40 Ton hopper wagon.
Post by: emjaybee on October 11, 2019, 09:26:37 PM
I'm still filling and filing at the moment on these, so looking ahead...

...I'm going to need transfers.

The big LMS is no problem, I can get them in spades, but is there anyone who does custom number runs of decals?

I need set of numbers for a few of these wagons, along with Tare ratings etc.

 :helpneededsign:
Title: Re: LMS 40 Ton hopper wagon.
Post by: jay_dubblyoo on October 13, 2019, 01:02:23 AM
Try RAILTEC   No connection with them except as a satisfied customer.

John
Title: Re: LMS 40 Ton hopper wagon.
Post by: emjaybee on October 13, 2019, 11:31:40 PM
I've fired off a couple of emails to Fox and Railtec for the transfers I'm after, we'll see if they're able to help.

 :wave:
Title: Re: LMS 40 Ton hopper wagon.
Post by: emjaybee on October 18, 2019, 04:57:20 PM
I think I've solved the issue of the side doors being flat, and should be profiled.

I've chamfered the top edge of the doors, thinned the side 'legs' by the doors so they can tuck in a little closer to the chassis. The alloy chassis of these wagons has been narrowed by about 2mm to allow this movement. With the Fleischmann bogies this would restrict the minimum radii too much, but with the diamond pattern bogies the radii is still adequate to cope with at least 10" curves.

So it's a little bit of modification with a little bit of optical illusion. The doors are still predominantly flat, but now look like they have a curved profile.

It's difficult to see in the following picture, but it gives a bit of a idea of the shape change of the top hopper.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/82/5604-181019165525.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=82902)
Title: Re: LMS 40 Ton hopper wagon.
Post by: crewearpley40 on October 18, 2019, 05:32:02 PM
Seriously looking good mike. I take it they handle curves and points without the risk of couplings becoming detached and fouling / buffer locking ? Chris
Title: Re: LMS 40 Ton hopper wagon.
Post by: Newportnobby on October 23, 2019, 09:22:31 AM
Just in case you haven't come across this site.............

https://www.steve-banks.org/prototype-and-traffic/143-lms-coal-the-40t-hoppers (https://www.steve-banks.org/prototype-and-traffic/143-lms-coal-the-40t-hoppers)
Title: Re: LMS 40 Ton hopper wagon.
Post by: chrism on October 23, 2019, 09:36:45 AM
Well if that's true, the original poster is gonna need a 9F  ;)

Would need to be a Minitrix one as a Dapol one might pull one wagon :-X

Just to balance and old argument. My three Dapol 9Fs happily pull 20 Anhydrite wagons and a brake van, although the front pony does argue with some points but then so do the Minitrix ones

That's a mean bit of triple-headed power  ;)

Title: Re: LMS 40 Ton hopper wagon.
Post by: woodbury22uk on October 23, 2019, 09:38:32 AM
Just a little bit off topic, but the German style of wagon also operated in block trains on the Southern Region of BR in the 1960s/1970s. They were referred to as LHBs as they were built by Linke Hoffmann Busch. I think they may have worked for a company subsequently absorbed into Hall Aggregates, and then RMC. Not near my books at the moment to confirm the owner and route.

I have now identified these 20 wagons as operating in sand traffic between Lavant, Chichester and Drayton for Francis Parker/J. Heaver Ltd. Post and diagram in this link - 16 March 2014. Built in Hartlepool, it seems, Ö.with Y25 bogies?

https://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/10325-br-ex-lms-bogie-coal-hoppers/ (https://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/10325-br-ex-lms-bogie-coal-hoppers/)
Title: Re: LMS 40 Ton hopper wagon.
Post by: emjaybee on October 23, 2019, 09:51:46 AM
Just in case you haven't come across this site.............

https://www.steve-banks.org/prototype-and-traffic/143-lms-coal-the-40t-hoppers (https://www.steve-banks.org/prototype-and-traffic/143-lms-coal-the-40t-hoppers)

Thanks, I have perused that page previously, it has some nice pics in it.

Title: Re: LMS 40 Ton hopper wagon.
Post by: emjaybee on October 26, 2019, 11:44:05 PM
A bit of progress.

I've been waiting on some 4.8mm O/D styrene tube. I sanded down the external diameter a little until it fitted snugly in the NGS bogies I wanted to use. The Fleischmann chassis has smaller spigots than the NGS bogie is designed for, so I had to 'sleeve' the hole to reduce it.

The tube was superglued in place and then the top was filed down until it was1mm proud of the bogie top.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/83/5604-261019233003.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=83250)

This shows the comparison between the NGS bogie and the Fleischmann original. I've chosen to use the Diamond Pattern bogie as that appears to be what the original wagon had, athough the axle spacing is 6" to short it'll look better than the Fleischmann bogie.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/83/5604-261019233418.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=83251)

Once mounted on the bogies the chassis now sits the same height as the original.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/83/5604-261019233650.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=83252)

I've got to do something about the length of the buffer stems. Does anyone know of, or who could supply some more sensible length buffers to replace them with. Failing that I'll cut and shorten the originals and superglue them back.

That's all for now, more soon.

 :wave:
Title: Re: LMS 40 Ton hopper wagon.
Post by: Newportnobby on October 27, 2019, 03:17:23 AM
Clever and very neat solution :thumbsup:
Title: Re: LMS 40 Ton hopper wagon.
Post by: exmouthcraig on October 27, 2019, 03:34:17 AM
Looking good @emjaybee (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=5604)  :claphappy:

As for the buffers does nick at N brass do correct LMS brass ones? Hack the plastic clean of, quick file and drill these straight in.

I think they deserve decent buffers, with the work you've put in its amazing what difference decent ones make to a model.


(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/83/5099-271019033230.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=83261)

These are what I found but you know the profile your after  :beers:

Title: Re: LMS 40 Ton hopper wagon.
Post by: emjaybee on October 27, 2019, 08:49:26 AM
N Brass ! Of course!

 :smackedface:

Thanks @exmouthcraig (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=5099) , I'm not sure about the profile, I'll have to interrogate my pictures to see what looks most suitable. Then as you say cut old off, it's an alloy chassis with moulded buffers rather than plastic, and fit new.

I'm almost done shaping the body. That'll soon be ready for a light coat of primer to highlight any discrepancies, and then rivets, miles and miles of rivets.  :goggleeyes:
Title: Re: LMS 40 Ton hopper wagon.
Post by: emjaybee on October 27, 2019, 03:53:50 PM
Clever and very neat solution :thumbsup:

Thank you m'lud.

Title: Re: LMS 40 Ton hopper wagon.
Post by: emjaybee on November 02, 2019, 11:02:16 PM
I had a couple of hours available this evening.

I've made new buffer beams/chassis ends and fitted the LMS buffers I bought from N Brass.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/83/5604-021119224015.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=83485)

I'd previously fitted false floors to the hoppers so that a load can be added at a later date.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/83/5604-021119224154.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=83486)

Despite my earlier efforts the bogies interfered with the 'door' sides, so I 'slimmed' down the bogies to give a whisker of clearance and the wagons run freely around 10" curves. I also reduced the ride height of the wagon a whisker by filing down the styrene tube inserts in the bogies. It still has slightly higher buffer height than I'd like but it's more to do with the chassis now.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/83/5604-021119224901.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=83489)


(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/83/5604-021119225027.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=83490)

The original plan was to do one as a practice and then do the second as the finished article, but it's been going quite well so I've got two in good shape. I've also got another base wagon and I'm looking for one more. The aim is to have a short rake of four.

I'm still waiting for a quote/reply from Fox and Railtec for the decals, but both their websites say that there is a high demand and to be patient. I've lots of rivets to put on yet so I can wait a while yet.

They've now had a wash and brush up and are drying in preparation for alight coat of primer to see if there's any divets, dings or dents that I've missed as I can't see them very well because of the various layers of filler.

That's all for now, I'll pop up a picture when I've got some primer on them.

 :wave:
Title: Re: LMS 40 Ton hopper wagon.
Post by: Newportnobby on November 03, 2019, 09:07:11 AM
That's looking great and I hope you find another Fleischmann chassis very soon
Title: Re: LMS 40 Ton hopper wagon.
Post by: emjaybee on November 03, 2019, 09:12:07 AM
There's always some available on FleaBay, but I'm not prepared to pay £18. I got the first two for £15 for the pair, and the third for £10, so I've plenty to go out without paying more than I need. One will turn up at sensible money, I've just got to be patient.
Title: Re: LMS 40 Ton hopper wagon.
Post by: emjaybee on November 03, 2019, 04:41:15 PM
I've given the two bodies a blow over with primer, and on the whole they look pretty good. There's a few pits and bits that'll require a little more filling, but not too many.

I'm quite pleased with the overall shape and dimensions, it was difficult to 'see' the shape when it was a multitude of colours. I'll have to wait a couple of days before the I can fill and sand so that the paint has hardened.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/83/5604-031119163829.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=83518)

Now it's a uniform colour you can get a better impression of the finished article.

Hopefully one more filling/sanding session and I can start to think about the rivets, which should really give the thing shape.

 :wave:
Title: Re: LMS 40 Ton hopper wagon.
Post by: Dalteth on November 03, 2019, 05:52:38 PM
These are looking lovely!

Canít wait to see the finished article  :D
Title: Re: LMS 40 Ton hopper wagon.
Post by: emjaybee on November 19, 2019, 10:31:42 PM

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What on earth was I thinking?


(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/84/5604-191119222248.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=84120)

I can manage about four 'strands' in one session, which is about 20 minutes, before my eyes start to go.

I have found it difficult to judge the length you need for each piece, so I measure with a steel rule, cut to length, and then if it's too long when positioned I leave it to dry before carefully scraping off the extra rivet or two.

I think I'm about 20/25% through at the moment.

 :laugh3:
Title: Re: LMS 40 Ton hopper wagon.
Post by: exmouthcraig on November 19, 2019, 10:39:18 PM
Wow!!!!  :o :goggleeyes:

I can only imagine what hard work that must be but the question has to be.....

Are they worth the effort?? Not in a "oh your wasting your time!!!" in front of you, rather  then a  blown up picture do you get the warmth of seeing all those lovely straight rivets and know that the model now looks a million times better because their there????
Title: Re: LMS 40 Ton hopper wagon.
Post by: emjaybee on November 19, 2019, 10:44:48 PM
Wow!!!!  :o :goggleeyes:

I can only imagine what hard work that must be but the question has to be.....

Are they worth the effort?? Not in a "oh your wasting your time!!!" in front of you, rather  then a  blown up picture do you get the warmth of seeing all those lovely straight rivets and know that the model now looks a million times better because their there????

To be honest, I won't know if it's worth the effort until I have them all on and I've blown it over with grey paint. Of course, by that point it'll be too late to do anything about  it anyway.

I'd normally do a bit on this wagon, then a bit on the other and so on and so forth, but on this occasion I'm just going to do the one wagon and get it sprayed grey before I think about moving on.

Title: Re: LMS 40 Ton hopper wagon.
Post by: exmouthcraig on November 19, 2019, 10:48:42 PM
True, it will be fantastic to see them painted. Do they have good relief??? It looks like you could play a nice tune with a cocktail stick on them!!
Title: Re: LMS 40 Ton hopper wagon.
Post by: emjaybee on November 19, 2019, 11:38:57 PM
They do have a degree of relief. I think the trick will be to NOT overdo the amount of paint over the top.

I tried what you suggested.

If you run a cocktail stick at the right speed overr them and listen carefully it plays the Queen lyrics "I'm going slightly mad, I'm going slightly mad, it's finally happened!"

 :laugh2:
Title: Re: LMS 40 Ton hopper wagon.
Post by: Bealman on November 19, 2019, 11:50:14 PM
Yes, I think the trick will be to go easy on the paint.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: LMS 40 Ton hopper wagon.
Post by: Newportnobby on November 20, 2019, 09:15:55 AM
Now that's what I would call a labour of love! :goggleeyes:
Title: Re: LMS 40 Ton hopper wagon.
Post by: Railwaygun on November 20, 2019, 06:31:46 PM
What flavour of rivets are these ( there is another rivet thread here)

https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=47265.msg602028#msg602028 (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=47265.msg602028#msg602028)
Title: Re: LMS 40 Ton hopper wagon.
Post by: emjaybee on November 20, 2019, 06:59:00 PM
What flavour of rivets are these ( there is another rivet thread here)

https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=47265.msg602028#msg602028 (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=47265.msg602028#msg602028)

Railtec Transfers flavour rivets!

They're fiddly to use, but then you kinda expect that with N gauge rivets.
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