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Title: Class 319 breaks cover
Post by: gc4946 on September 15, 2019, 11:56:06 AM
According to RMWeb, an engineering prototype of the 319 is on show at TINGS

https://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/147513-farish-class-319/ (https://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/147513-farish-class-319/)







Title: Re: Class 319 breaks cover
Post by: Skyline2uk on September 15, 2019, 12:17:41 PM
Not the best angle in the cabinet to photograph....

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/81/1081-150919121530.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=81582)

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/81/1081-150919121601.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=81583)

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/81/1081-150919121633.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=81584)

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/81/1081-150919121710.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=81585)

Note electrical connections between coaches

Skyline2uk
Title: Re: Class 319 breaks cover
Post by: gc4946 on September 15, 2019, 12:23:03 PM
I remember seeing and travelling on them from the earliest days of Thameslink in 1988 whilst a student in London.

I doubt they'll equip them with a servo to raise and lower the pantograph in the way Bachmann's class 90 electric is similarly treated.
Title: Re: Class 319 breaks cover
Post by: crewearpley40 on September 15, 2019, 12:33:33 PM
LNW / West Midland
and Northern have sets

ex thameslink- which livery looks crisper / neater
Title: Re: Class 319 breaks cover
Post by: nobby on September 16, 2019, 06:40:13 AM
having a chance to have a good look at the 319 at tings , some of the issues that were brought up with the face of the model on the first cads seem to have made it to this first ep  , shame as the rest of this seems to be good , bachmann are generally better but emu faces seem to really test rtr manufactures , i was upset we didnt get a 4 vep that hornby did until i saw it in the flesh,
Title: Re: Class 319 breaks cover
Post by: crewearpley40 on September 16, 2019, 06:52:56 AM
Should be something to look forward to.
Title: Re: Class 319 breaks cover
Post by: edwin_m on September 16, 2019, 08:02:30 AM
I doubt they'll equip them with a servo to raise and lower the pantograph in the way Bachmann's class 90 electric is similarly treated.
Some 319s have been converted to bi-mode as 769s, though they seem to be taking forever to get into service.  Modelling one of those would be just a matter of a different underframe moulding to represent the diesel engine on the end cars - but the servo pantograph would be useful for this. 
Title: Re: Class 319 breaks cover
Post by: njee20 on September 16, 2019, 08:20:15 AM
It definitely looked a bit flat faced, just lacking in relief, and the headlights looked odd, but that may just be because it wasn’t painted.

Electrical connectivity between coaches is great, they had 4 pins, so presumably enough for a single decoder... Revolution are doing the same on the 321, interested to see both implementations. The Pendolino runs so well just for having electrical connectivity through wired.
Title: Re: Class 319 breaks cover
Post by: Skyline2uk on September 16, 2019, 08:57:26 AM
It definitely looked a bit flat faced, just lacking in relief, and the headlights looked odd, but that may just be because it wasn’t painted.

Electrical connectivity between coaches is great, they had 4 pins, so presumably enough for a single decoder... Revolution are doing the same on the 321, interested to see both implementations. The Pendolino runs so well just for having electrical connectivity through wired.

I am pleased I am not the only one who noticed something about the “Face” of the 319. It was the first thing that jumped out at me (after the shock of it actually being there subsided).

I do believe painting will help matters though, even if it gives the illusion of depth / relief.

In a similar vein, I am interested to hear thoughts and opinions on the DBSO, is there a thread for that?

Skyline2uk
Title: Re: Class 319 breaks cover
Post by: njee20 on September 16, 2019, 09:05:07 AM
At risk of continuing that tangent I don’t have much to say on the DBSOs, but the IC Swallow mk2f looked stunning.
Title: Re: Class 319 breaks cover
Post by: gc4946 on September 16, 2019, 12:34:23 PM
I doubt they'll equip them with a servo to raise and lower the pantograph in the way Bachmann's class 90 electric is similarly treated.
Some 319s have been converted to bi-mode as 769s, though they seem to be taking forever to get into service.  Modelling one of those would be just a matter of a different underframe moulding to represent the diesel engine on the end cars - but the servo pantograph would be useful for this.

Would be useful for those modelling overhead and third rail. I remember hearing the pantographs being raised and lowered on those EMUs at Farringdon where they originally changed from AC to DC and v.v.
Title: Re: Class 319 breaks cover
Post by: edwin_m on September 16, 2019, 06:06:40 PM
It definitely looked a bit flat faced, just lacking in relief, and the headlights looked odd, but that may just be because it wasn’t painted.

I am pleased I am not the only one who noticed something about the “Face” of the 319. It was the first thing that jumped out at me (after the shock of it actually being there subsided).

According to a thread on RMWeb, which compares photos, the light clusters are too big, the panels with the little handrails under the windows should be flush with the rest of the front, and there is a horizontal groove missing in the area of the same panels.  There also seems to be a suggestion that the corners of the side windows are too rounded. 
Title: Re: Class 319 breaks cover
Post by: Intercity on September 16, 2019, 06:53:34 PM
The light clusters would look better when painted, the base metal is very cruel for depth perception, all the pictures I’ve looked at show the small handrails as protruding and not being flush with the sloping front. The front valance should also have a cut-out where the uncoupling lever is located.
Title: Re: Class 319 breaks cover
Post by: acko22 on September 16, 2019, 06:57:06 PM
Hi All,

There are a few things that look wrong to me on the model some of which have already been mentioned, which after this weekend via the forum or face to face the people at Farish will no doubt be aware of now!
While on the EP I can see errors I think the big test will be when liveries are applied as you can mask the errors if liveries are done well and I think in Fairness Farish are actually good when it come to that, just how ,ong we have to wait to see any sample liveries!
Title: Re: Class 319 breaks cover
Post by: railsquid on September 17, 2019, 12:36:40 AM
In a similar vein, I am interested to hear thoughts and opinions on the DBSO, is there a thread for that?

here (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=41181).
Title: Re: Class 319 breaks cover
Post by: Chetcombe on September 17, 2019, 04:56:03 AM
I agree that something about the face doesn't quite cut it, but I actually think the end result is that the model looks better than the real thing :worried:

I have been on many of these on the dreaded Sutton / Wimbledon loop, they were awfully bland. In fact they made me yearn for the 4-SUBs and 4-EPBs that preceded them!

My daughter is living in Sarf London at the moment and I have had the unfortunate experience to travel on one of the 319 replacements (717s?), unbelievably these are at least as bland (if not more) and the seats are even more uncomfortable!
Title: Re: Class 319 breaks cover
Post by: crewearpley40 on September 17, 2019, 05:58:55 AM
I know there are several units operating in plain grey with a dash of blue the old thameslink govia without branding but agree the profiling doesnt look crisp