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Title: Mathieson Models wagons
Post by: TalyllynJon on January 12, 2019, 11:05:02 PM
I've been steadily building a little collection of private owner wagons from South Wales collieries. I've just discovered the, now defunct, Mathieson Models. There are a few listed on Ebay, but they all seem to be in pairs. Is this how they were originally sold? They seem to fetch pretty high prices - but I'm reluctant to pay top dollar for a pair of wagons when I'm only interested in one of them.
Title: Re: Mathieson Models wagons
Post by: Railwaygun on January 13, 2019, 06:22:26 AM
I presume you know about these??

http://www.robbiesrollingstock.co.uk/New%20Wales.htm (http://www.robbiesrollingstock.co.uk/New%20Wales.htm)
Title: Re: Mathieson Models wagons
Post by: TalyllynJon on January 13, 2019, 12:31:56 PM
I've seen the Robbie's Rolling Stock website - but don't know much about them. Has anybody bought any of his wagons and if so, what do you think?
Title: Re: Mathieson Models wagons
Post by: NinOz on January 13, 2019, 01:08:29 PM
I've seen the Robbie's Rolling Stock website - but don't know much about them. Has anybody bought any of his wagons and if so, what do you think?
Here is a post with pic:
https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=6331.4500 (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=6331.4500)
Title: Re: Mathieson Models wagons
Post by: thebrighton on January 13, 2019, 01:11:28 PM
I've been steadily building a little collection of private owner wagons from South Wales collieries. I've just discovered the, now defunct, Mathieson Models. There are a few listed on Ebay, but they all seem to be in pairs. Is this how they were originally sold? They seem to fetch pretty high prices - but I'm reluctant to pay top dollar for a pair of wagons when I'm only interested in one of them.

I've loads of their wagons and they were all bought individually.
Title: Re: Mathieson Models wagons
Post by: thebrighton on January 13, 2019, 01:13:11 PM
I've seen the Robbie's Rolling Stock website - but don't know much about them. Has anybody bought any of his wagons and if so, what do you think?
He doesn't sell wagons, just the transfers. They are primarily designed for Peco wagons but he will resize them for you to fit other makes. Easy to use, one piece transfer.
Title: Re: Mathieson Models wagons
Post by: Cutter on January 13, 2019, 02:44:51 PM
The Mathieson wagons were sold individually and are great models if you can find them. They represent an earlier shorter wheelbase wagon than the Peco model and add variety to a rake. The transparent couplings are great.
Since you can't print white with a regular printer Robbie's transfers are transparent where white lettering is needed and you have to paint the wagon gloss white before applying them. He is a great guy to do business with and will make new designs for you and add them to his catalogue after so you can get custom transfers for obscure collieries or merchants.
Title: Re: Mathieson Models wagons
Post by: ntpntpntp on January 13, 2019, 03:02:56 PM
In 2017 I bought a couple of pairs of Mathiesons from eBay. Same seller and similar price to the current listings.    They are very nice, though personally I'm not convinced the transparent couplings are actually an improvement - I think it actually draws attention to them.

I'd say if they're the wagons you particularly want then buy them while they're available, if you end up with duplicates you can always try selling them on on here,  on ebay, at an exhibition or whatever.   Or maybe renumber one of the pair?
Title: Re: Mathieson Models wagons
Post by: Rabbitaway on January 13, 2019, 04:31:52 PM
Hi

I have used Robbies transfers on numerous wagons with great success, see link below


https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=22317.0 (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=22317.0)
Title: Re: Mathieson Models wagons
Post by: anaes20 on January 13, 2019, 08:39:04 PM
Mathieson Models was a one-man show and produced a range of fabulous wagons featuring Welsh collieries.  He stopped production around 6 years ago.  I got several of them, the clear couplers are definitely unique.  They are indeed now a bit hard to find perhaps because they are so collectable.  It may well be that these, like Micro-Trains Line stock on the American side, attract collectors who push the second-hand prices up.

Robbie used to sell wagons but lately has gone over to transfers.   He did special commission wagons for several people.  I would imagine he would do the same for transfers.

Omar / anaes20.
Title: Re: Mathieson Models wagons
Post by: Cutter on January 13, 2019, 11:29:26 PM
Robbie made two custom transfers for me -- for Atso-Cad's LNER brick wagon and for one of the coal merchants at Welwyn North. I am a very happy customer!
Title: Re: Mathieson Models wagons
Post by: TalyllynJon on January 14, 2019, 12:01:02 AM
Thanks for all the useful comments guys. I've just snapped up a pair of Mathieson Models wagons on Ebay (got outbid on another pair!).
Title: Re: Mathieson Models wagons
Post by: TalyllynJon on January 16, 2019, 12:33:09 PM
Mathieson Models wagons arrived this morning. They are lovely little things, so I'll definitely be on the lookout for more.
Title: Re: Mathieson Models wagons
Post by: TalyllynJon on January 15, 2020, 11:21:30 PM
I picked up a few Mathieson Models wagons last year. Mostly on eBay and mostly for about 10-15. Not cheap for a small, open wagon, but they're nice models and quite rare. There seems to a bunch of them turning up on eBay at the moment, but they seem to be selling for about 30 each which is mad! What's going on?
Title: Re: Mathieson Models wagons
Post by: ntpntpntp on January 15, 2020, 11:27:21 PM
There seems to a bunch of them turning up on eBay at the moment, but they seem to be selling for about 30 each which is mad! What's going on?

Are they actually selling at that price or just listed but going round and round without selling? If selling then it just indicates the perceived rarity/desirability I guess.
Title: Re: Mathieson Models wagons
Post by: TalyllynJon on January 15, 2020, 11:46:21 PM
Actually selling!. I guess there must be a couple of collectors with deep pockets who're willing to bid mad money for them. Ebay is a bit like that sometimes - I was outbid on a loco last year - I reckoned it was worth about 75 but it sold for well over 100. A couple of days later there was another identical one, but I didn't bother bidding because I thought it would be too expensive - it went for under 50!
Title: Re: Mathieson Models wagons
Post by: Bealman on January 15, 2020, 11:58:49 PM
Sort of reinforces my thoughts that I'm glad I can't work eBay  :uneasy:
Title: Re: Mathieson Models wagons
Post by: Doc Pye on January 16, 2020, 12:21:03 AM
Well I have a few Mathieson models in the stash...might end of selling them.

In the meantime, glad to hear Robbie's Rolling stock is still going. I might order some up!
Title: Re: Mathieson Models wagons
Post by: 1936ace on January 16, 2020, 05:36:38 AM
I've seen the Robbie's Rolling Stock website - but don't know much about them. Has anybody bought any of his wagons and if so, what do you think?
His wagons are absolutely awesome.. well painted and decals are spot on. I can say how great a model they are. I have had robbie make wagons up custom made for family and friends as gifts, he even did a special wedding anniversary wagon for my mum and dad. You cant go wromng with a robbies rolling stock wagon
Title: Re: Mathieson Models wagons
Post by: trkilliman on January 16, 2020, 10:39:18 AM
The Mathieson models on ebay have appearred to be largely from one seller. They've been putting them on ebay for a couple of years now with a timely (and clever) gap between advertisements. They must have a fair old stash of them or maybe, just maybe, somebody now has the rights to further produce them?

I think I read a while back that approaches had been made to the owner of Mathieson production rights, but they didn't want to sell. Perhaps something has changed here, accounting for their ongoing periodic appearance on ebay?

What an addition they could potentially make to the NGS stable of wagons.

I don't own any of them, but have to say they do look cracking models in their variety of P.O. logos.
Title: Re: Mathieson Models wagons
Post by: Paul D on January 23, 2020, 10:22:18 PM
The Wagon Yard - https://thewagonyard.co.uk/ (https://thewagonyard.co.uk/) has a few Mathieson wagons in stock of the Welsh variety.

Title: Re: Mathieson Models wagons
Post by: TalyllynJon on January 24, 2020, 03:38:39 PM
I check their website regularly - they often have interesting items. Think I've already got all of their South Wales stock.
Title: Re: Mathieson Models wagons
Post by: surfaceman on January 24, 2020, 10:18:23 PM
There seems to a bunch of them turning up on eBay at the moment, but they seem to be selling for about 30 each which is mad! What's going on?

Are they actually selling at that price or just listed but going round and round without selling? If selling then it just indicates the perceived rarity/desirability I guess.

They are actually selling at that price I sold 10 recently and was amazed at the bids I got!

Alex
Title: Re: Mathieson Models wagons
Post by: TalyllynJon on March 02, 2020, 10:17:21 AM
There's a Mathieson Models Gurnos wagon on eBay - 1 day to go and the bidding is already up to 65!!!!!!! For a small, N gauge, open wagon! WTF?! (that's nearly as much as new Graham Farish prices!!!)
Title: Re: Mathieson Models wagons
Post by: PLD on March 02, 2020, 10:49:27 AM
There's a Mathieson Models Gurnos wagon on eBay - 1 day to go and the bidding is already up to 65!!!!!!! For a small, N gauge, open wagon! WTF?! (that's nearly as much as new Graham Farish prices!!!)

https://www.ebay.co.uk/bfl/viewbids/392704461066?item=392704461066&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2565 (https://www.ebay.co.uk/bfl/viewbids/392704461066?item=392704461066&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2565)

Just two bidders who obviously REALLY want that particular livery... (which is one I've not seen before so perhaps a rarity explaining the desire)

Remember at auction, the 'value' of an item is slightly more than the second richest/daftest/most desperate bidder is willing to pay...
Title: Re: Mathieson Models wagons
Post by: Fardap on March 02, 2020, 01:51:37 PM
Same Ebay seller has a fair number listed at Buy It Now 16 which would seem a bargain compared to 30 or +60!!!!

Title: Re: Mathieson Models wagons
Post by: PLD on March 02, 2020, 05:29:36 PM
Same Ebay seller has a fair number listed at Buy It Now 16 which would seem a bargain compared to 30 or +60!!!!
hardly the sellers fault that one person is willing to pay 63 for that particular livery and another is willing to pay even more!

Do bear in mind that some Mathieson liveries are extremely rare - as few as 25 made vs IIRC 250 for the most common. I've never seen this one before so guessing it is one of the rarest, and hence the price differential to other listings
Title: Re: Mathieson Models wagons
Post by: Fardap on March 02, 2020, 11:45:36 PM
Same Ebay seller has a fair number listed at Buy It Now 16 which would seem a bargain compared to 30 or +60!!!!
hardly the sellers fault that one person is willing to pay 63 for that particular livery and another is willing to pay even more!

Do bear in mind that some Mathieson liveries are extremely rare - as few as 25 made vs IIRC 250 for the most common. I've never seen this one before so guessing it is one of the rarest, and hence the price differential to other listings

Oh I wasn't laying blame just thought the 16 buys were bargains compared to the massive 60+ that as you rightly say is market forces and what someone is willing to pay.

They look nice models but not sure I would go 16 for one either, but then haven't seen one in the flesh either.
Title: Re: Mathieson Models wagons
Post by: Doc Pye on March 03, 2020, 09:59:47 AM
Those are crazy prices for a little wagon...but hey, if you want it then you want it!

I will dig out my collection of Mathieson wagons next time I am back in the US (where they are stored). Time to cash in! ;)

One question, why did Mathieson stop producing???
Title: Re: Mathieson Models wagons
Post by: jpendle on March 03, 2020, 06:51:02 PM
One question, why did Mathieson stop producing???

Because they realised that by stopping production and creating rare items they could make a killing on Ebay  :D

John P
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