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General Category => N Gauge Discussion => Topic started by: Merrylee on December 15, 2018, 01:48:57 PM

Title: Dapol HIA hoppers
Post by: Merrylee on December 15, 2018, 01:48:57 PM
RoS newsletter inviting pre orders.

ETA Q2 2019.

Price promise £21.46 each.

Ron
Title: Re: Dapol HIA hoppers
Post by: njee20 on December 15, 2018, 02:03:03 PM
Certainly a good price. I foresee a rake in my future!
Title: Re: Dapol HIA hoppers
Post by: jpendle on December 15, 2018, 03:53:41 PM
Certainly a good price. I foresee a rake in my future!

Just had an email from Hattons suggesting April - June 2019 delivery.

Regards,

John P
Title: Re: Dapol HIA hoppers
Post by: Merrylee on December 15, 2018, 04:02:10 PM
Me to, a nice wee rake of 10.

Good price compared to GF's JGAs at around about the £30 mark.

Revolutions HOAs will probably be the the £30 to £35 mark, and I do fancy a rake of them to.

' hello can I speak to the bank manager please?........'

Ron.
Title: Re: Dapol HIA hoppers
Post by: njee20 on December 15, 2018, 07:07:20 PM
Mmm, my concern is about the forthcoming Revolution orders; IPAs, HOAs, then the re-runs of TEAs and Pendolinos, plus balance payments on the 92s. Itís going to get very expensive in Q1!
Title: Re: Dapol HIA hoppers
Post by: Merrylee on July 03, 2019, 11:52:47 PM
Any updates on these.

Ron
Title: Re: Dapol HIA hoppers
Post by: Graham on July 04, 2019, 07:05:14 AM
Dapol put a post out mid June (see below) which says they will be available Q3, so guess they may make it for Christmas.

https://www.dapol.co.uk/N-Gauge-HIA-Limestone-Hopper-production-samples-have-arrived (https://www.dapol.co.uk/N-Gauge-HIA-Limestone-Hopper-production-samples-have-arrived)

cheers
Graham
Title: Re: Dapol HIA hoppers
Post by: Merrylee on August 09, 2019, 09:59:27 PM
RoS have e mailed to say they have now arrived and in stock.

Ron
Title: Re: Dapol HIA hoppers
Post by: njee20 on August 09, 2019, 10:08:16 PM
Mmmm, saw that, they look good. Can't decide if I need a rake or not... Think I'll see if there are bulk discounts at TINGS/Warley!
Title: Re: Dapol HIA hoppers
Post by: crewearpley40 on August 09, 2019, 10:11:51 PM
always worth asking

if you dont ask you dont get - would make sense to offer packs of 3 or 4
Title: Re: Dapol HIA hoppers
Post by: njee20 on August 09, 2019, 10:56:24 PM
Cheltenham Model Centre often do packs at exhibitions, last year they were doing MJAs at 4 pairs for £100, whilst they were still £32 each everywhere else. May be worth hanging on. For some reason I donít foresee these being really quick sellers, although I know the OO gauge ones were.

Wonder if theyíll stay coupled...  :worried:
Title: Re: Dapol HIA hoppers
Post by: Rabbitaway on August 10, 2019, 10:25:56 AM
Another example of Dapol setting a realistic RPP for wagons and coaches, not like the over inflated prices from Farish and then imposing the limit of 15% discount on retailers. I have not bought any Farish products for years at their normal prices, only fire sale items and second hand from Ebay. If Dapol as a small company with out their own factory can bring items to market at sensible prices it appears Buchmann are just trying to over charge based on their market position. I can understand that small players may charge similar prices for small volumes of specialist wagons and coaches but this argument does not wash with Bachmann. The Hattons dispute may show how a major retailer with muscle in the market has had enough of Bachmann and their restrictive practices. They rely on small margins and high volume sales and they cannot get this with Bachmann's excessive prices. It would not be a surprise if Buchmann lose market share to other manufacturers unless they change their approach
Title: Re: Dapol HIA hoppers
Post by: Vonzack on August 13, 2019, 09:32:36 AM
Had my Hattons pre-order processed yesterday, so these should be available in the next day or so.
Title: Re: Dapol HIA hoppers
Post by: red_death on August 13, 2019, 11:47:32 AM
If Dapol as a small company with out their own factory can bring items to market at sensible prices it appears Buchmann are just trying to over charge based on their market position.
I can understand that small players may charge similar prices for small volumes of specialist wagons and coaches but this argument does not wash with Bachmann.

The Hattons dispute may show how a major retailer with muscle in the market has had enough of Bachmann and their restrictive practices.

The Hattons dispute has nothing to do with pricing, so please can we not create more "fake news".

You have indirectly got to part of the problem - Farish have to go to their parent company (Kader) and so don't have the opportunity to get competitive quotes from multiple factories whereas Dapol can and do go to different factories [as does Revolution]. Sometimes though not always you see marked differences in the quotes. So nothing to do with Farish "over charging".
Title: Re: Dapol HIA hoppers
Post by: Vonzack on August 15, 2019, 09:36:23 AM
Hi,

OK, got mine delivered yesterday, so first impressions.....

Packaging is a bit different, I think it's similar to the MJAs (from memory), cardboard box with a plastic blister holding the wagon inside. The wagon is wrapped in a plastic sheet and there's a small plastic cover that fits over the top to keep everything in place. Only accessories are detailing pipes for the buffer beams. So no dummy knuckles again with these wagons. I'd like to see them re-introduced as they have been provided with almost all Dapol models for the last 10 years except the MJAs.

Livery seems to be applied well and there is a high level of detail. The wagons feel solid enough, there don't seem to be any detail bits that will get caught and knocked off when handling. They are quite heavy but seem to roll freely very well.

Couplings are a new design and are kinematic. The Rapido couplers don't seem to be the usual Dapol standard length and seem to be a bit longer, this leaves a large distance between the wagons. Coupling heights seem to be OK, only really have one wagon where the coupling is a bit droopy so will have a look at that later. Coupled together there seems to be a bit of a problem with the couplings lifting under tension (even in short formations) and the wagons uncoupling. I'll be swapping the Rapidos for the Dummy Knuckles anyway to close the gaps and that may help the lifting issue.

Would be interested to hear what others think.

Cheers, Mark.

Title: Re: Dapol HIA hoppers
Post by: njee20 on August 15, 2019, 09:49:34 AM
Agree it's a shame they seem to have stopped supplying dummy knuckles (I'd say it's probably everything until the MJA, rather than everything except the MJA!) as they're a really good alternative to rapidos, and very useful for closing up rakes. Interesting about the new coupler arrangement, probably needed, with the bad press on the IOA/MJA/JNA and their propensity to uncouple.

I'm still sitting on the fence and will look out for some at the big exhibitions or until I see some in a shop and relent unwittingly!
Title: Re: Dapol HIA hoppers
Post by: RailGooner on August 15, 2019, 10:47:35 AM
Omission of the dummy knuckle couplers will in a small way help keep prices down. They are still available as a separate part - NEMCOUP.

IMO the majority of folk will stick with the Rapido couplers, so omitting the dummy knuckles is the right move ecologically.
Title: Re: Dapol HIA hoppers
Post by: njee20 on August 15, 2019, 11:24:22 AM
Yes there must be thousands of them languishing in boxes unused and unloved! I use one long and one short one generally, so you get double the number too!
Title: Re: Dapol HIA hoppers
Post by: Bealman on August 15, 2019, 11:31:27 AM
Those rapido couplers are a historical thing we have to live with, unfortunately. I agree with the post that most people will stick with them. I'm one.

But good luck!  :beers:
Title: Re: Dapol HIA hoppers
Post by: njee20 on August 15, 2019, 11:53:47 AM
Who needs good luck with what?  :confused2:
Title: Re: Dapol HIA hoppers
Post by: Vonzack on August 15, 2019, 12:07:58 PM
Yes there must be thousands of them languishing in boxes unused and unloved! I use one long and one short one generally, so you get double the number too!

I will give them a loving home ;-)
Title: Re: Dapol HIA hoppers
Post by: njee20 on August 15, 2019, 12:10:54 PM
Indeed, I'd consider we'd be doing a service! I vaguely recall someone on one of the FB groups giving away a couple of hundred of them! I'm not surprised Dapol have stopped including them, but hey ho.

What ratio of green:white did you go for? They seem to overwhelmingly be green, with a couple of token white ones, which slightly offends my sensibilities!
Title: Re: Dapol HIA hoppers
Post by: Vonzack on August 15, 2019, 12:44:33 PM
@njee20 (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=1147) 7:1, there are a couple of longer rakes on YouTube with 6 or more mixed in.
Title: Re: Dapol HIA hoppers
Post by: Spanners70 on August 15, 2019, 01:30:44 PM
Mine have just arrived, I went for 2 whites and 8 greens.
Title: Re: Dapol HIA hoppers
Post by: Vonzack on September 05, 2019, 09:32:20 AM
Hi,

This might be helpful for anybody wanting to know how the HIA wagons are put together.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/81/660-050919092436.jpeg)

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/81/660-050919092501.jpeg)

The bogies just pop out, the sides can be removed by carefully pulling them apart from the top and releasing the clips underneath. The Couplings mechanisms are housed in metal weights which are screwed to the chassis. Be careful to look out for the two little bars which locate into each of the body sides and sit in channels between the discharge doors, these don't seem to be glued in and when the sides are removed just fall out. They are also little swines to put back in, fair play to the people who assembled these.

Cheers, Mark.
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