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Title: Saxon Street : (R.O.A. layout)
Post by: Invicta Alec on October 20, 2018, 08:47:10 PM
Me Lordz, laydeez and gen'lmen, pray silence please! ...........

Take notice that yours truly is about to embark on a new layout. Kindly note that I'm starting this new topic with much trepidation. In this section of the forum, many have gone before with with glorious threads that have attracted much informed debate, received hundreds of positive comments and generally served to enhance our hobby. Am I good enough to join such exalted company? Can I even work out how to point a camera at the right bits or to adequately explain myself? We'll see.

I've only made one layout since coming back into the hobby after a thirty year break in January 2017. I realised this spring that I would never finish the layout. I wanted to start again with a new improved version benefiting from what I had learned so far.

Then I had my heart attack. One six hour triple bypass operation later and I'm well enough now (hopefully) to begin.

I've been allowed the fourth bedroom for my new layout on the understanding that it can still be pressed into service as a guest bedroom when needed.

Lessons learned from first layout.

1. The part of the hobby I enjoy most of all is simply watching my trains trundle through my layout. An end to end on its own would drive me nuts, so I need the roundy roundy aspect so my DMUs/EMUs can circle around the main line while I'm sending my bubble cars out and and back on the branch line.
2. Electrickery defeats me. All this block control wiring, insulfrog, electrofrog, insulating rail joiners etc. etc. You brave chaps who run D.C. systems have my admiration. DCC all the way for me and (risking the wrath of purists) nicely joined up to the simple to understand Kato Unitrack. Kato Unitrack with its built in point motors, bliss! Kato Unitrack that saved my sanity!  :claphappy: Ok, I'll learn how to disguise its alleged "toy like" appearance.
3. With my first layout I had this vague notion of making a layout that spanned the blue/grey era transitioning to Network South East which would give me a reasonable amount of options but its still restricting. We never had 150s, 122s, 153s or 170s down here in deepest Kent (as far as I'm aware) so for that reason alone Saxon Street as I've indicated in the title will be an R.O.A (Rule One Applies) layout. I'll try to keep it reasonable of course but it irks me that whereas I can easily find a Jowett Javelin and a Mark 9 Jag for my layout, where are all the Cavaliers and Sierras of that period?

Decorating the room is 95% complete. Baseboard construction can start in a few days time.

Meanwhile, here is a sketch of the proposed layout.

Alec.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/70/5868-201018192537.png)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/70/5868-211018123102.png)



Title: Re: Saxon Street : (R.O.A. layout)
Post by: Innovationgame on October 20, 2018, 09:00:04 PM
I'm glad you recognise that DCC is much simpler than DC.  Only one power bus for the whole layout.  No isolators, no multiple controllers, etc.  And if you use uni-frog type points (I know nothing about Kato) there is no need for IRJs.  So it's comparatively straight forward.  And roundy-roundy really does have its advantages.  It looks like a good decision! :beers:
Title: Re: Saxon Street : (R.O.A. layout)
Post by: Newportnobby on October 20, 2018, 09:38:13 PM
I like it. The only thing I'd do is make the station loop longer and remove the point where you have it starting.................

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/70/264-201018213548-70283255.png)
Title: Re: Saxon Street : (R.O.A. layout)
Post by: Bealman on October 20, 2018, 11:41:04 PM
Great to hear you have recovered from what must have been a harrowing experience.

It looks like a fun plan!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Saxon Street : (R.O.A. layout)
Post by: weave on October 21, 2018, 02:35:04 AM
Hi Alec,

All sounds interesting and looking forward to your build.

Cheers weave  :beers:
Title: Re: Saxon Street : (R.O.A. layout)
Post by: GreyWolf on October 21, 2018, 08:06:09 AM
Hi Alec,
All sounds interesting and looking forward to your build.
Cheers weave  :beers:

Wot he said! Good luck Sir and will be following along.

Cheers  :beers:
Title: Re: Saxon Street : (R.O.A. layout)
Post by: port perran on October 21, 2018, 08:59:31 AM
Looks very good to me.
Keep the updates coming.
Title: Re: Saxon Street : (R.O.A. layout)
Post by: Train Waiting on October 21, 2018, 09:37:32 AM
That looks like an excellent plan, Alex.  I look forward to seeing how it progresses, please.

I agree completely about the fun of watching trains running.

Kato track is a really good system.  In my experience (usual disclaimer), it is best to avoid the #4 points.  It is also worth thinking about how you will easily replace a point if the motor fails.  Two failed on my US layout between 2011 and 2014.  None have failed since, but the layout is rarely used.

I think DC and DCC each have their advantages.  I wired the US layout for DC and used a combination of the route selecting Kato points, occasional use of insulated 'Unijoiners' and lots of power feeds to end up with a layout that was fun to operate.

For realistic treatment of 'Unitrack', please see @tutenkhamunsleeping (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=1490) 's Capital Lines thread.  It's excellent!

I hope you are well on the way to a complete recovery.


With best wishes.

John



Title: Re: Saxon Street : (R.O.A. layout)
Post by: Invicta Alec on October 21, 2018, 08:10:41 PM
I like it. The only thing I'd do is make the station loop longer and remove the point where you have it starting.................


Thank you for the suggestion Newportnobby, but it'll make it too tight for the scenery I have planned for that area.

Alec.
Title: Re: Saxon Street : (R.O.A. layout)
Post by: Invicta Alec on October 21, 2018, 08:40:23 PM

Kato track is a really good system.  In my experience (usual disclaimer), it is best to avoid the #4 points.
 
I did a lot of research before changing to Kato on my current layout. The #4 points issue came up so often that I decided to use only #6s. Having said that, my new layout will use a right hand crossover which is in effect two #4 points back to back. Fingers crossed.

I think DC and DCC each have their advantages.
I am running DCC to my track at the moment via an NCE Powercab. I do power the points DC via the Kato controller. I prefer the physical levers of the Kato points switches to manually punching in a code to the Powercab. I also like that they give you a visual reference too.

([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/70/5868-211018202827.png[/url])

For realistic treatment of 'Unitrack', please see @tutenkhamunsleeping ([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=1490[/url]) 's Capital Lines thread.

Yes, I'm very much aware of Steve's efforts on his Capital Lines layout. I'll no doubt pinch the odd idea from him    8)

I hope you are well on the way to a complete recovery.
With best wishes.
John

Thanks mate!

Alec.


Title: Re: Saxon Street : (R.O.A. layout)
Post by: Invicta Alec on October 22, 2018, 05:55:59 PM
Time to get started folks. Maybe a little unconventional but I started at B&Q by buying two of these.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/70/5868-221018174149.jpeg)

My thinking is as well as being sturdy supports, I'll be making use of the storage they provide.

44x18mm and 34x34mm timber from Wickes to fix to the walls (note the laser line) and to make the frame.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/70/5868-221018174232.jpeg)

12mm MDF for the baseboard. 1st piece in position and marked for trimming to size.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/70/5868-221018174310.jpeg)

That'll do for today methinks.

Alec.


Title: Re: Saxon Street : (R.O.A. layout)
Post by: Train Waiting on October 22, 2018, 06:10:02 PM
Brilliant progress, Alec, and that laser is a fun gadget.  I've seen these in use, but never used one.

At this rate of progress you'll be finished by Christmas.


John
Title: Re: Saxon Street : (R.O.A. layout)
Post by: Newportnobby on October 22, 2018, 09:16:08 PM
Don't forget to drill holes in cross braces to allow wiring to be thread through before you fix the surface down!
Title: Re: Saxon Street : (R.O.A. layout)
Post by: Invicta Alec on October 22, 2018, 10:06:50 PM
Don't forget to drill holes in cross braces to allow wiring to be thread through............

That was pretty much the next job. Tools were downed, tea was made and tomorrow is another day.  :)

Alec.
Title: Re: Saxon Street : (R.O.A. layout)
Post by: GreyWolf on October 23, 2018, 07:38:36 AM
Looking good! A nice clear space. Are you including inclines and lower areas?

On my layout, I went for a 'flat board' which has inclines, but I hadn't allowed for "dropping" the surface ... maybe I'll try that on the NEXT layout.

Cheers  :beers:
Title: Re: Saxon Street : (R.O.A. layout)
Post by: Bealman on October 23, 2018, 09:03:28 AM
I worry a bit about the flat baseboard. Very restrictive for scenery.

Trick is to lay the track on shaped track beds and let the landscape go up or down.
Title: Re: Saxon Street : (R.O.A. layout)
Post by: Invicta Alec on October 24, 2018, 08:00:59 PM
I worry a bit about the flat baseboard. Very restrictive for scenery.


Greywolf/Bealman,

I've no real plans for raised areas. The layout is to be essentially a townscape. I might endeavour to have part of an outer curve in a shallow cutting and maybe a park area in a central position that maybe less than flat.

Alec.
Title: Re: Saxon Street : (R.O.A. layout)
Post by: ntpntpntp on October 24, 2018, 08:57:15 PM
Haven't I taught you anything yet Alec?  Open frame boards, lots of DC wiring, code 55 track, proper German trains.....    :D  :D   

Will have to pop round at some point and see what you're up to first hand.  Take it easy!
Title: Re: Saxon Street : (R.O.A. layout)
Post by: Invicta Alec on October 24, 2018, 09:54:41 PM
Haven't I taught you anything yet Alec? 
Open frame boards  Maybe next time!
lots of DC wiring  No! Absolutely no!
code 55 track Kato don't do code 55   ::)
proper German trains  Nah...you can't beat good old British   :P

Will have to pop round at some point and see what you're up to first hand. You're always welcome Nick......Alec.
Take it easy!
Title: Re: Saxon Street : (R.O.A. layout)
Post by: Invicta Alec on October 25, 2018, 10:41:26 PM
I broke up my old layout today. Had to be done, I've enjoyed using it. I'm hoping that I've learned a few things along the way with its construction.

One really big benefit of Kato track is that every piece on the layout will be used again on the new one. Just a little light wipe down and gentle pressure to remove any ballast or grass from the track bed shoulder.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/70/5868-251018221900.jpeg)

Not a great photo but the Farningham Central station (Metcalfe kit) is to be used again on the new layout. I had ballasted along the front of the platform a while ago. In fact it was only the ballast that was holding the track in place. The station however, I'd fixed down with double sided tape. Goodness it was really anchored down. Had to be really careful not to damage the building in my efforts to release it.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/70/5868-251018221800.jpeg)

A little more work to do on the baseboard, hopefully tomorrow, and then it'll be time to lay the track to plan, mark out and drill the holes for the track power connectors and the wires from the turnouts back to their control switches.

Alec.

Title: Re: Saxon Street : (R.O.A. layout)
Post by: Invicta Alec on October 27, 2018, 08:18:33 PM
Well the baseboard is done. I will gladly confess that this is mostly the work of my son who is very meticulous with his woodworking. The expression "that'll do" is not in his vocabulary, it has to be exact.

Since my heart surgery I'm now very much the tradesman's goffer. Aside from getting the next bit of wood / keeping the pencils sharpened / searching for the correct drill bit etc there isn't too much I can do. Bending down low to paint a skirting board for example is almost impossible.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/70/5868-271018194435.jpeg)

The top surface is 12mm mdf. I purchased the mdf from Wickes, with my usual discontented mutterings about their price structure. They sell a 4ft x 2ft sheet for a few pennies under £11. That's a lot of money for that size. I needed 3 so around £33 in total. Alternatively they will sell you a full size 8ft x 4ft sheet for only £19.50! Trouble is it won't fit into my Peugeot 208  :( They will deliver full size sheets of course but the charge is £35. Rant over.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/70/5868-271018194544.jpeg)

This second picture is one of the supporting kitchen cabinets showing the face plate which the NCE Powercab cable plugs into. Very neat.


Alec.


Title: Re: Saxon Street : (R.O.A. layout)
Post by: ntpntpntp on October 27, 2018, 08:26:11 PM
12mm MDF - blimey that's thick old stuff!   Horrible for pinning stuff into.
Title: Re: Saxon Street : (R.O.A. layout)
Post by: ntpntpntp on October 27, 2018, 08:30:35 PM
Nice looking space though. Ideal for a loco depot, and it just so happens I have this Fleischmann turntable and 6 road engine shed that's been kindly donated......
Title: Re: Saxon Street : (R.O.A. layout)
Post by: Invicta Alec on October 27, 2018, 08:38:36 PM
12mm MDF - blimey that's thick old stuff!   Horrible for pinning stuff into.

Pins Nick? What will I use pins for? Certainly not the track.  :no:


Alec
Title: Re: Saxon Street : (R.O.A. layout)
Post by: Invicta Alec on October 31, 2018, 10:04:00 PM
The day started brightly enough with this rather natty tray/enclosure to house my turnout control switches.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/70/5868-311018215000.jpeg)

Got a bit ahead of myself because I wanted to see a loco making a lap of the mainline around the edge of the loose laid track. Its only temporary guys.....honest!

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/70/5868-311018215202.jpeg)

 Oh, so the wires are meant to go underneath the baseboard??  :doh:

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/70/5868-311018215103.jpeg)

Don't worry chaps, I'll get it sorted.  :)

Alec.


Title: Re: Saxon Street : (R.O.A. layout)
Post by: Invicta Alec on November 04, 2018, 09:01:30 PM
I suppose we all have our favourite aspects of the hobby. I certainly know one fellow who claims that wiring is his favourite part. I think you are probably in a minority Nick!  ;D (known on this forum as ntpntpntp).

Nick is very experienced and some of his electrickery I've witnessed is as excellent as it is clever. For us lesser mortals though its a necessary evil.

My new layout, Saxon Street, is DCC powered Kato track but  I've retained the DC Kato power supply solely to run my turnouts. I have 7 turnouts, 1 right hand crossover and 1 double (or scissors) crossover. Here is a less than exciting picture of the psu hidden in one of the cupboards supporting the layout.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/71/5868-041118202120.jpeg)

The track power connectors on Kato track are simple twin wires coloured blue and white. My knowledge extends to knowing that all the blue ones must connect to one terminal and all the white ones to the other. More riveting pictures........

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/71/5868-041118202220.jpeg)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/71/5868-041118202308.jpeg)

All this work is necessary to finally achieve this neat arrangement of the NCE Powercab handset hanging ready for action within arms length of my comfy height adjustable office type swivel chair. I shall refrain from posting a picture of the chair as I assume you are all familiar with such things  :)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/71/5868-041118202356.jpeg)

I wish I could say it all worked first time but I did have one track power connector (Unijoiner) ar*e about face and the system tripped. Once reversed I tested all routes and satisfied myself that I had sufficient and properly positioned power connectors, so no dead bits of track anywhere and that the turnout control switches operated the expected turnout!

So, as far as I'm concerned the hard graft is finished and necessary crawling around under the baseboard has been completed. Now I'm looking forward to running a few trains around the bare layout and to start to position some of the old buildings from the previous layout and to work out what new items need to be built. Before any of that though I'll be looking at buying some backscenes to fit first. Any recommendations chaps?

Alec.

Title: Re: Saxon Street : (R.O.A. layout)
Post by: Newportnobby on November 04, 2018, 09:45:51 PM
More riveting pictures........

([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/71/5868-041118202220.jpeg[/url])

([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/71/5868-041118202308.jpeg[/url])




They're not rivets!!! You've cheated and used screws! :telloff:
Title: Re: Saxon Street : (R.O.A. layout)
Post by: Invicta Alec on November 04, 2018, 11:01:26 PM
More riveting pictures........


They're not rivets!!! You've cheated and used screws! :telloff:

Curses! Does nothing escape you?
I'm as hopeless with a rivet gun as I am with soldering irons so I shall screw to my heart's content  :drool:

Alec.
Title: Re: Saxon Street : (R.O.A. layout)
Post by: Newportnobby on November 05, 2018, 09:11:25 AM
More riveting pictures........


They're not rivets!!! You've cheated and used screws! :telloff:

Curses! Does nothing escape you?
I'm as hopeless with a rivet gun as I am with soldering irons so I shall screw to my heart's content  :drool:

Alec.

 :laughabovepost: Me too.
Title: Re: Saxon Street : (R.O.A. layout)
Post by: Train Waiting on November 05, 2018, 04:32:03 PM
That's wonderful progress, Alec.

Very neat work indeed.  Thank you for the photographs.

I shall refrain from posting a picture of the chair as I assume you are all familiar with such things  :)

Yes, of course, one of these:
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/71/6222-051118162948.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=71153)

Sorry!

John
Title: Re: Saxon Street : (R.O.A. layout)
Post by: Invicta Alec on November 05, 2018, 06:23:31 PM

I shall refrain from posting a picture of the chair as I assume you are all familiar with such things  :)

Yes, of course, one of these:
([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/71/6222-051118162948.jpeg[/url]) ([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=71153[/url])

Sorry!

John


Made me laugh John. Cheers mate!  :thankyousign:

Alec.
Title: Re: Saxon Street : (R.O.A. layout)
Post by: Innovationgame on November 05, 2018, 07:27:05 PM
Made me laugh John. Cheers mate!  :thankyousign:

Alec.
Don't you mean chairs!  :beers:
Title: Re: Saxon Street : (R.O.A. layout)
Post by: Invicta Alec on November 10, 2018, 08:48:08 PM
Not too much progress lately, trouble is I've loose laid all the track and despite the best of intentions I sit for ages running my trains. I've been assessing bits and pieces off the old layout to see if they'll do a job on the new one. Some are fine, some I've binned.

Back in the spring I was much taken with a Faller N gauge station model. I thought I'd buy it as a first step to the new layout. I had the idea that I could make it look acceptably British. Jacking the whole thing up to compensate for the low level platforms the Germans use would be easy enough and maybe a bit of paint here and there and British station signs and Robert would be your aunties husband.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/71/5868-101118202612.jpeg)

Darn flash keeps going off on my cheapy phone, so picture is poor. I've built it well enough and in a good light its a very imposing model. However, I've changed my mind. Its going to sit in a townscape of Metcalfe terraced houses, a 1970s block of flats and the Queen Vic pub. It was quite an expensive model, but if I use it, I'll keep thinking it doesn't look right.

Pretty much on the same theme I busied myself with designing some station signs. I was very proud of the ones on my old layout as they were accurate representations of NSE signs but they are not going to sit right on this "Rule 1 applies" layout. So as not to further confuse the issue with various liveried trains pulling up at the stations I've come up with this rather generic design.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/71/5868-101118193219.png)

I reckon downhill and a following wind, I could have this layout finished in way under 8 years  :worried:

Alec.




Title: Re: Saxon Street : (R.O.A. layout)
Post by: ntpntpntp on November 10, 2018, 09:35:21 PM
Now where on earth did you get the idea for a station like that, Alec?  :D   :D

lookin' good!


(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/71/5885-101118213427.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=71378)
Title: Re: Saxon Street : (R.O.A. layout)
Post by: Invicta Alec on November 10, 2018, 10:21:05 PM
Thanks for showing the guys a good photo of the station Nick. It is a cracker!

I really must dig out my DSLR (and then spend hours trying to remember how to use it properly).


Alec.
Title: Re: Saxon Street : (R.O.A. layout)
Post by: Train Waiting on November 11, 2018, 08:38:17 AM
Not too much progress lately, trouble is I've loose laid all the track and despite the best of intentions I sit for ages running my trains.

I think that's one of life's little pleasures, Alec.  Sometimes my best intention is simply to sit and watch the trains run past!

It's also a spiffing way of testing that your track plan works for you in reality, before you 'nail' it all down.

Best wishes.

John
Title: Re: Saxon Street : (R.O.A. layout)
Post by: Invicta Alec on November 11, 2018, 01:18:08 PM

It's also a spiffing way of testing that your track plan works for you in reality, before you 'nail' it all down.

Best wishes.

John

Thanks for that John. I spent many hours thinking about the operational possibilities. For me its the most important part. I've got a roundy roundy part, an out and back to a terminus and also the fiddling about in my four lane siding.
In playing with operating my trains I've already made one minor improvement and am keeping an eye on a potential troublesome spot before making a final decision on it. I bought a right hand crossover to incorporate into this new layout. In effect its a back to back pair of #4 Kato points. I had avoided using #4's on the previous layout after reading of other Kato user's derailing/stalling problems. I've only had two derailments in about a week of using the layout so far, but these were totally unknown on my old set up. (One derailment may have been more to do with the peculiar close gangway connection on the Dapol 156 DMU than any problem with the rails).
I'm mindful that the crossover is just before a curve so moving it away 200mm or so might sort it.
The jury is out unless it happens again.

Alec.
Title: Re: Saxon Street : (R.O.A. layout)
Post by: Train Waiting on November 12, 2018, 09:07:55 PM
I'm mindful that the crossover is just before a curve so moving it away 200mm or so might sort it.
The jury is out unless it happens again.

I think that's a good idea, Alec.

On the Table-Top Railway (MkIII), which has Kato 'Unitrack', I found that facing points after a curve could be troublesome even although they are #6.  It was steam locomotives that occasionally ended up on the ballast.  I experimented with straight track pieces and found that 45mm was the minimum length to avoid bother.

On my US layout, with mostly Kato locomotives, no such difficulties were encountered.  Kato track and trains used together is a wonderful system.


All the very best.

John
Title: Re: Saxon Street : (R.O.A. layout)
Post by: Invicta Alec on November 24, 2018, 06:32:06 PM
Not been feeling all that great lately guys. Well meaning layout construction sessions have repeatedly turned into just train running sessions. I have little to no energy and I'm thinking my daily intake of pills might be to blame. Gotta keep taking them though.

Anyways, a picture of where I'm at.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/71/5868-241118181931.jpeg)

I've improved the operational side a little by moving the single crossover back from the 315/348mm double curve. Derailing there is now cured. Drilling a couple of newly positioned holes and rewiring was physically difficult for me, I'll leave well alone now and enjoy what I have. Note to self : Order the *%$$!* back scene!!

Alec.

Title: Re: Saxon Street : (R.O.A. layout)
Post by: Train Waiting on November 24, 2018, 08:10:44 PM
Sorry to hear that, Alec.  I hope that the fun of running trains is taking your mind off of things a bit.

I hope you feel better soon.

Take care.

John
Title: Re: Saxon Street : (R.O.A. layout)
Post by: Invicta Alec on November 27, 2018, 04:31:50 PM
So chaps, I dug out the Canon DSLR. Its an EOS 450 which is quite well thought of by camera folks as I understand it. I don't have much of a clue how to operate its many buttons and so helpful comments from any experts out there will be appreciated.

I have it on P(rogram) mode, ISO 400 with flash disabled and me twisting the focus about manually. Very hit and miss. Here are the best of what I came up with.

Construction of the Saxon Street station is partially done. Although its not sharply focused its not far out for a close up as you can see with the blurred class 121 bubble car in the background.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/71/5868-271118155312.jpeg)

The Dapol 121 on platform 2 is waiting to depart for Cotton Hill and Farningham Central stations further round the layout. The footbridge from the previous layout looks fine and will be retained but I will re-do the canopy and little waiting room on platforms 2 and 3. Zooming in on the canopy will show just how sub standard it really is.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/71/5868-271118155403.jpeg)

This end on view of Farningham Central shows me having the further train in focus whereas I really thought I was trained on the nearer one! Anyway I think this pair of 350's look good. They certainly look the part when they are circling around the outer main line. My Kato track is laid directly onto the baseboard. Like a good few other people I'm of the opinion that putting cork or whatever under the track does nothing at all for sound reduction. In any case trains make a noise. Next to the right hand track I've cut out to shape and butted up 3mm foam board, this disguises much of the high shoulder of the Kato track. As in my previous layout I shall just fill in the very small gap between the two with pva and drizzle in the Kato ballast that is identical in colour to the road bed. Inevitably this takes away the pristine geometric shape of the edges, especially on the curves and makes it look a little more believable.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/71/5868-271118155457.jpeg)

I think I almost got it right with this last picture. 350 101 waiting at platform two prior to departure to Saxon Street.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/71/5868-271118155548.jpeg)


Alec.




Title: Re: Saxon Street : (R.O.A. layout)
Post by: keithbythe sea on November 28, 2018, 08:03:00 AM
Hi Alec, just caught up with this, you posted on the day that I went on an extended holiday. Great progress and looking good. Take things steady, there is no rush to complete, and you can run trains.

The canon is a fine beast. On P mode indoors I’d experiment with increasing the iso to 800.

 :greatpicturessign:  :thankyousign:  :beers:
Title: Re: Saxon Street : (R.O.A. layout)
Post by: Invicta Alec on December 13, 2018, 11:45:43 AM
I've been absolutely determined not to move forward with the layout's development until I'm 100 per cent happy with the operational side and I've been having a problem with my Kato double crossover.

When you throw the point switch lever all 4 point blades should move at the same time. On mine 3 snap over and the fourth normally gets stuck halfway. If you research on the web its not an unknown problem. Some users have reported using a slightly higher voltage power supply sorts it. According to what I've read some electricky witchcraft experts say it could be a feeble solenoid, whatever that is! Others tell me the Kato point motor switches are of momentary type. Despite this, its also known that if you deliberately move the lever slowly (during which time there is an unhealthy sounding buzz) the fourth blade will eventually lock into place.

I've known my double crossover was iffy since before I lifted it from the old layout. I made sure that on the new plan the crossover was placed very close to my operating position so I could keep an eye on its operation. Although electrically operated you can also move the lever manually if necessary but the necessity of constantly checking its position was spoiling my use of the layout - big time! On the basis of having nothing to lose I decided to take it apart to have a look inside........

I opened it reluctantly since I had read that when you do it is almost certain that little fine springs would immediately jump out of position and are next to impossible to put back into place. This is exactly what happened and I had a fun twenty minutes with tweezers trying to restore the status quo. While doing so I wondered what the little 8mm by 8mm bit of plastic was doing that was sitting roughly in the middle. It was mangled and gnarled like it had been through a washing machine cycle for a couple of hours. Experimentation lead me to believe it sat over the top of two of the four fine spring wires. I popped it in place (although I wasn't sure of which way it should face) and very gingerly fitted the bottom plate back on. I powered it up and snap, snap, snap, SNAP went all four blades!!! 

My layout is now running exactly as I'd planned. I am chuffed to have "fixed" something. :claphappy:

Now I can move on at last. The back scenes are ordered and on their way.

Alec.


Title: Re: Saxon Street : (R.O.A. layout)
Post by: Innovationgame on December 13, 2018, 12:43:22 PM
Well done Alec!  That's the sort of post I would like to able to read on my own thread.
Title: Re: Saxon Street : (R.O.A. layout)
Post by: dannyboy on December 13, 2018, 01:05:08 PM
One of those 'handy to know' posts - I have two of the crossovers!  :worried:  :thankyousign:
Title: Re: Saxon Street : (R.O.A. layout)
Post by: Invicta Alec on December 13, 2018, 01:20:34 PM
One of those 'handy to know' posts - I have two of the crossovers!  :worried:  :thankyousign:

Danny,

unfortunately I couldn't post a photo of the internals of the crossover because of the forum upgrade that's going on at the moment but I'll do that in another post when the gallery becomes available again.

Alec.
Title: Re: Saxon Street : (R.O.A. layout)
Post by: dannyboy on December 13, 2018, 01:44:15 PM
@Invicta Alec (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=5868)  That would be appreciated. As they say - 'a picture paints a thousand words'.
Title: Re: Saxon Street : (R.O.A. layout)
Post by: ntpntpntp on December 13, 2018, 03:35:46 PM
... and there was I half expecting a "Help!" ping from you Alec!   Glad you've sorted it, otherwise I might have considered knocking up some sort of mini CDU in a little box, just to drive the 4 motors of the scissors. 
Title: Re: Saxon Street : (R.O.A. layout)
Post by: Invicta Alec on December 13, 2018, 04:16:45 PM
... and there was I half expecting a "Help!" ping from you Alec!   Glad you've sorted it ...............

Yep, sorted Nick. Bring one of your German locos round so we can test it out over a cup of tea!

Alec.
Title: Re: Saxon Street : (R.O.A. layout)
Post by: Invicta Alec on December 14, 2018, 12:13:44 PM
Just to round off my post about the crossover problem here is a photo of the internals.......

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/72/5868-141218114812.png)

You can just about make out the fine spring wire that runs south east to north west between the orange circles. The aforementioned manky piece of plastic is sitting above the rightmost circle. I moved it to sit above the right hand side of the spring wire. It appears its function is to stop the wire (and its mate that runs north east to south west to the blade below) from jumping out of their locating clips.
I can only assume that mine was only holding one of them down prior to me opening the unit up. Note that this is just one half of the crossover, I didn't open the other half up as it had been functioning correctly.

I am indebted to Steve Jackson of Northern Virginia whose photo I have pinched from an article he wrote about modifying the crossover for other purposes http://ttrak.wikidot.com/internally-modify-crossover (http://ttrak.wikidot.com/internally-modify-crossover)

Alec.
Title: Re: Saxon Street : (R.O.A. layout)
Post by: Invicta Alec on December 18, 2018, 04:52:57 PM
Just in case you guys think I've been slacking, the back scene is now in place.

Photographic evidence ................

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/72/5868-181218164814.png)

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/72/5868-181218164427.png)


Alec.
Title: Re: Saxon Street : (R.O.A. layout)
Post by: Gizzy on December 18, 2018, 06:11:17 PM
Just caught up with this thread.

I've taken note of your experiences with KATO track, as I'll be using the same, albeit with KATO rolling stock.

I have 3, or maybe 4, of the 'skizzers krozzovers', and I'll be using No. 4 points throughout, including a pair of the Y points, for my Swizzy themed layout.

Look forward to seeing more of your railway, and I hope you are now on the mend,,,,
Title: Re: Saxon Street : (R.O.A. layout)
Post by: Train Waiting on December 18, 2018, 06:49:14 PM
The backscene looks very good, Alex.

As do these Metcalfe buildings.  I rather fancied the garage for Poppingham, but having seen your excellent picture I have realised that it has a distinct post-war look to it.

With best wishes.

John
Title: Re: Saxon Street : (R.O.A. layout)
Post by: Invicta Alec on December 18, 2018, 06:51:35 PM

I've taken note of your experiences with KATO track, as I'll be using the same, albeit with KATO rolling stock.


Thanks Gizzy.

As I understand it Kato rolling stock is very reliable. Its a pity they don't do British outline (apart from the Eurostar) as I'm sure I'd be buying it if they did.

Alec.
Title: Re: Saxon Street : (R.O.A. layout)
Post by: Invicta Alec on December 18, 2018, 07:03:08 PM
John,

From what I've seen of Poppingham, I think you are right this building wouldn't really suit. I'd say it looks late 1950's early 1960's.

I haven't really quite finished it. You can see I've not coloured over the white edges here and there. Also I've made a mistake in that the kit included green canopy edging strips and fascias. Like an idiot I used the red ones which would have looked fine if I'd chosen Shell or Amoco petrol pumps and signs. Hey ho!

Alec.
 
Title: Re: Saxon Street : (R.O.A. layout)
Post by: ntpntpntp on December 18, 2018, 07:08:33 PM
Looks good, I was impressed with the quality of the material when you showed it to me the other day.   I just wonder if maybe it would be better dropped a couple of inches so the background houses and green fields don't look so high above the layout and stock?

The scene does remind me a lot of our town green, just needs the community centre!
Title: Re: Saxon Street : (R.O.A. layout)
Post by: dannyboy on December 18, 2018, 07:15:52 PM


As I understand it Kato rolling stock is very reliable.

Not having run any of my Kato engines for any real length of time yet, I can not talk about their reliability from a personal point of view, but what I can say is that as soon as they are taken out of the box, (plastic not cardboard!  :-X), you immediately get a sense of quality - and that includes the second hand ones I have bought. Oh, and every one of mine runs beautifully.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Saxon Street : (R.O.A. layout)
Post by: Invicta Alec on December 18, 2018, 07:22:54 PM

I just wonder if maybe it would be better dropped a couple of inches so the background houses and green fields don't look so high above the layout and stock?


Nick,

Now that's its up, I totally agree with you. No way I can modify it now, however I'm planning a bit of a raised bank along the front and with a few fences it'll maybe not look quite so obvious.

Alec.
Title: Re: Saxon Street : (R.O.A. layout)
Post by: Gizzy on December 19, 2018, 04:50:10 PM

I've taken note of your experiences with KATO track, as I'll be using the same, albeit with KATO rolling stock.


Thanks Gizzy.

As I understand it Kato rolling stock is very reliable. Its a pity they don't do British outline (apart from the Eurostar) as I'm sure I'd be buying it if they did.

Alec.
They did an A4 Mallard with teak coaches at one time, but I haven't seen it on the KATO website lately....
Title: Re: Saxon Street : (R.O.A. layout)
Post by: ntpntpntp on December 19, 2018, 06:18:19 PM
As I understand it Kato rolling stock is very reliable. Its a pity they don't do British outline (apart from the Eurostar) as I'm sure I'd be buying it if they did.

Alec.
They did an A4 Mallard with teak coaches at one time, but I haven't seen it on the KATO website lately....


You sure that wasn't Dapol stock with Kato track?  I think Gaugemaster have marketed a few such combination sets

http://www.gaugemaster.com/news/NEW-Race-to-the-North-N-Gauge-Starter-Set-from-Gaugemaster (http://www.gaugemaster.com/news/NEW-Race-to-the-North-N-Gauge-Starter-Set-from-Gaugemaster)

(http://www.gaugemaster.com/_upload/imgs/lrg/104666759/GMKS005.jpg)
Title: Re: Saxon Street : (R.O.A. layout)
Post by: Invicta Alec on December 19, 2018, 06:30:52 PM
As I understand it Kato rolling stock is very reliable. Its a pity they don't do British outline (apart from the Eurostar) as I'm sure I'd be buying it if they did.

Alec.
They did an A4 Mallard with teak coaches at one time, but I haven't seen it on the KATO website lately....

You sure that wasn't Dapol stock with Kato track?  I think Gaugemaster have marketed a few such combination sets



Osbournes do a couple of sets, but it IS only Dapol stock with Kato Unitrack and controller boxed up together.

https://www.osbornsmodels.com/osborns-set-7-46745-p.asp (https://www.osbornsmodels.com/osborns-set-7-46745-p.asp)

Alec.
Title: Re: Saxon Street : (R.O.A. layout)
Post by: Invicta Alec on January 06, 2019, 11:56:32 PM
I've been trying to update my thread for about a week but have been frustrated by problems of uploading new pictures to my gallery. Problem solved now, so here goes......

Christmas kind of got in the way and I treated myself to a couple of new locos and of course in testing (read, playing with) them, scenery plans got put on the back burner as usual.
 

I bought a new Dapol class 22. What a gem! Looks great and I've spent far too long watching her trundle round the layout hauling the only three freight wagons that I possess.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/72/5868-060119230415-729402183.jpeg)

Saxon Street station is nearing completion and I'm having a bit more success with the camera. Trouble is it does show up mistakes rather harshly. Too my mind I built the Metcalfe kit rather well, but look at those ridge tiles, ouch!

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/72/5868-060119230441-72946624.jpeg)

Farningham Central has its first few passengers waiting for something to stop!

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/72/5868-060119230406-729391908.jpeg)

A picture here of part of my four storage lanes. There is much evidence here of rule 1.
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/72/5868-060119230438-729452089.jpeg)

A general view of Farningham Central where a Class 156 is waiting to depart.
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/72/5868-060119230434-729441686.jpeg)

The third station on the layout is Cotton Hill. Its a little used end of branch line station with a platform that can only accommodate a Class 121 rail car. Only 4 trains a day stop here.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/72/5868-060119230431-729431397.jpeg)

A Class 350/2 on Saxon Street platform 2 will depart as soon as new Class 22 clears platform 3. These two prototypes have only ever appeared together on MY layout  :)

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/72/5868-060119230422-729422146.jpeg)

A general view of Saxon Street. I'm planning to have the church atop an embankment and this gives me an excuse to make a tunnel that leads directly to the through platform.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/72/5868-060119230420-729411553.jpeg)

I've also treated myself to a great looking Dapol Class 153 in London Midland livery. It runs like a noisy dog, binds its way around 315mm radius curves and even after careful lubricating, much messing about with CV values and several hours of running in the jury is still out as to whether I'll be sending it back to the retailer. It seems to have settled down a bit in the last half hour.  :)

Happy new year all.

Alec.

Title: Re: Saxon Street : (R.O.A. layout)
Post by: Train Waiting on January 07, 2019, 09:19:58 AM
Thank you very much for these fascinating pictures, Alec.

Your station buildings look splendid.

With regard to the Dapol DMU, if in any doubt please send it back in it is not running properly after the manufacturer's stated running-in period.  I have done this with three new Graham Farish locomotives.  The replacements for all three ran perfectly from the start and left me in no doubt that I made the correct decision and that it wasn't simply me being too impatient to run them in for an extended period.

Best wishes.

John
Title: Re: Saxon Street : (R.O.A. layout)
Post by: Invicta Alec on January 07, 2019, 11:09:13 AM
Thank you for your kind and wise words John.

I won't hang around too long before making a decision on the 153.


Alec.
Title: Re: Saxon Street : (R.O.A. layout)
Post by: Invicta Alec on January 23, 2019, 04:00:23 PM

I just wonder if maybe it would be better dropped a couple of inches so the background houses and green fields don't look so high above the layout and stock?


Nick,

Now that's its up, I totally agree with you. No way I can modify it now, however I'm planning a bit of a raised bank along the front and with a few fences it'll maybe not look quite so obvious.

Alec.


The more I looked at it the more it annoyed me. @ntpntpntp (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=5885) was absolutely right of course it had to be altered, I knew that!
It was a lot of work but I've trimmed 40mm off the bottom edge and lowered the whole thing. The houses in the distance no longer look as if they are flying through blue skies.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/73/5868-230119151654-73429956.jpeg)

I might point out to others this potential trap with backscenes. I had purchased the ID Backscenes "In to the town" double set that comprises 4 pieces of 1500mm (5 ft) wide strips. I bought the "premium" polypropelene version on self adhesive backing. The strips are 225mm (9inches) high and the quality of the actual photographs is excellent. What I hadn't properly considered was the bottom 100mm or so was all one long continuous uniform coloured field. It wasn't until I stood back to admire my finished work that it immediately dawned on me that distant buildings were all too high up the picture. Have a look at reply #50 on this thread and you will see what I mean. Now its trimmed down it looks fine.

On a lighter note, here's a picture of my second new loco that formed my "Christmas present to self" this year. Its a Dapol 153 in London Midland livery.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/73/5868-230119151657-734301894.jpeg)

Its looks great. To begin with though it ran like a dog. After restrained and careful oiling and ages running it in in both directions its now performing well enough for me not to have to send it back to Colletts, which I feared I'd have to do initially. Its a very low slung chassis and it will not put up with any piece of track that is less than perfectly laid. On the underside there are two switches to operate the lights. I found an old YouTube video where the owner had actually taken a scalpel to the switches and carved half a mm off to cure the problem of grounding, particularly over the check rail/frogs on points. 

NOW at LAST I can start doing some scenery.

Cheers chaps!

Alec.



Title: Re: Saxon Street : (R.O.A. layout)
Post by: ntpntpntp on January 23, 2019, 06:21:18 PM
Much better!   

Nice to see your latest wagons getting a run.  I spy the french wagon, this could be the start of your conversion to the dark side of continental N  :D
Title: Re: Saxon Street : (R.O.A. layout)
Post by: DaveGlew on January 23, 2019, 06:55:00 PM
Great advice regarding the backscene -  :thankyousign:
Title: Re: Saxon Street : (R.O.A. layout)
Post by: Train Waiting on January 23, 2019, 07:36:19 PM
That's looking absolutely fabulous, Alec.

And I'm very glad that your careful running-in has sorted out the diesel railcar.

Best wishes.

John
Title: Re: Saxon Street : (R.O.A. layout)
Post by: Invicta Alec on January 23, 2019, 08:11:52 PM


Nice to see your latest wagons getting a run.  I spy the french wagon, this could be the start of your conversion to the dark side of continental N  :D

I can't see me ever buying continental locos Nick, but I have to say I'm very pleased with the Fleischmann open truck. Its weathered appearance is quite convincing!

Alec.
Title: Re: Saxon Street : (R.O.A. layout)
Post by: Invicta Alec on February 12, 2019, 01:51:28 PM
At long last the first bit of progress on the scenery for Saxon Street.

The northern end of the layout is just a conventional 180 degree curve and I decided to make a raised area with a retaining wall and a tunnel entrance/exit which leads directly to platform 3 at Saxon Street. The whole thing is made simply from 3mm foam board, strengthened here and there with cardboard and a couple of bits of balsa. It all lifts off for cleaning the track underneath.

I managed to unglue the church from the old layout and make good. The retaining wall, roads, pavements and the wall around the church all made out of the pile of bits left over from old Metcalfe kits. Needs some more work yet to cover up the joins and possibly a few more trees. I'm looking for ideas for something to plonk in the corner field. Over to you chaps!

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/74/5868-120219133621-740842417.jpeg)

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/74/5868-120219133622-74086565.jpeg)

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/74/5868-120219133621-740841452.jpeg)


Alec.
Title: Re: Saxon Street : (R.O.A. layout)
Post by: Newportnobby on February 12, 2019, 03:45:02 PM
You'd need to create access to it, but how about a war memorial for the corner? It might fit in with the church being next door and you can make it as elaborate as you want e.g. with fencing etc

Here's one example.............

http://www.smartmodels.co.uk/misc01---war-memorial.html (http://www.smartmodels.co.uk/misc01---war-memorial.html)

Langley Models do one as well but this pic looks terrible!......

http://www.langleymodels.co.uk/shop/sh000001.pl?REFPAGE=http%3a%2f%2fwww%2elangleymodels%2eco%2euk%2facatalog%2fOnline_Catalogue_N_Scale__1_148th__Kits_58%2ehtml&WD=memorial%20war&PN=Online_Catalogue_N_Scale_Ready_Made_and_Painted_1_148th_Langley__Artitec_Models_5%2ehtml%23aA50p#aA50p (http://www.langleymodels.co.uk/shop/sh000001.pl?REFPAGE=http%3a%2f%2fwww%2elangleymodels%2eco%2euk%2facatalog%2fOnline_Catalogue_N_Scale__1_148th__Kits_58%2ehtml&WD=memorial%20war&PN=Online_Catalogue_N_Scale_Ready_Made_and_Painted_1_148th_Langley__Artitec_Models_5%2ehtml%23aA50p#aA50p)

P & D Marsh do a pack of headstones if you wanted to go the full 'cemetery' look.
Title: Re: Saxon Street : (R.O.A. layout)
Post by: Invicta Alec on February 12, 2019, 06:27:14 PM

You'd need to create access to it, but how about a war memorial for the corner?


Interesting idea sir! Thanks for that. I'm thinking memorial garden surrounding it maybe. I have to say I'm not a fan of the graveyard scene for the church but I do like the war memorial idea.

Alec.
Title: Re: Saxon Street : (R.O.A. layout)
Post by: cornish yorkie on February 12, 2019, 07:25:58 PM
You'd need to create access to it, but how about a war memorial for the corner? It might fit in with the church being next door and you can make it as elaborate as you want e.g. with fencing etc
 :hellosign: Seconded, my first thought
      regards Derek.

Title: Re: Saxon Street : (R.O.A. layout)
Post by: LASteve on February 12, 2019, 08:10:35 PM
Hi Alec - you've got the wall completely surrounding the church; I just completed the same model and the lych gate comes only with two short wall sections either side. Did you scratch-build the rest of the wall or use some other cunning trick to make a continuous run of wall?
Title: Re: Saxon Street : (R.O.A. layout)
Post by: Invicta Alec on February 12, 2019, 10:11:48 PM
Hi Alec - you've got the wall completely surrounding the church; I just completed the same model and the lych gate comes only with two short wall sections either side. Did you scratch-build the rest of the wall or use some other cunning trick to make a continuous run of wall?

Hi Steve,

I used one of the Metcalfe building sheets (PN115 I think) for the walls. It isn't an exact match for the lychgate but its very close. If you look closely at the third photo (and knowing how long the supplied lychgate wall in the kit is) zoom in you can just about make out where the pattern changes slightly!

Alec.
Title: Re: Saxon Street : (R.O.A. layout)
Post by: Train Waiting on February 13, 2019, 10:23:59 AM
That is a spiffing church that you've built, Alec.  I intend to build one soon.  If it ends up half as good as yours I'll be delighted.

I agree completely that the war memorial and garden will be an ideal use of the space beside the church.

All the very best.

John
Title: Re: Saxon Street : (R.O.A. layout)
Post by: ntpntpntp on February 13, 2019, 10:32:13 AM
I don't think the occupants of the cemetery would be impressed with the loud rumblings a few feet underneath them  :D   

I'd be worried about the church foundations as it is - I presume it doesn't have a crypt?


I have the same problem!

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/74/5885-130219103503.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=74106)
Title: Re: Saxon Street : (R.O.A. layout)
Post by: Invicta Alec on February 13, 2019, 12:20:42 PM
That is a spiffing church that you've built, Alec.  I intend to build one soon.

John

John,

Its a Metcalfe church and as I remember I found it one of their very easiest models to build. I think one of these on your layout would look just the bizzo! Poppingham St.Marks maybe?

https://www.metcalfemodels.com/product/pn926-n-scale-parish-church/ (https://www.metcalfemodels.com/product/pn926-n-scale-parish-church/)

Alec.
Title: Re: Saxon Street : (R.O.A. layout)
Post by: Invicta Alec on February 13, 2019, 12:26:02 PM

I'd be worried about the church foundations as it is - I presume it doesn't have a crypt?


Of course it has a crypt Nick! I leave no stone unturned in my endeavours to achieve modelling perfection  :)

Alec.
Title: Re: Saxon Street : (R.O.A. layout)
Post by: Newportnobby on February 13, 2019, 03:28:32 PM
I don't think the occupants of the cemetery would be impressed with the loud rumblings a few feet underneath them  :D   


It would probably help settle them into their new home, although it might scare the local populace if they were to moan about the loud rumblings! :uneasy:
Title: Re: Saxon Street : (R.O.A. layout)
Post by: LASteve on February 13, 2019, 07:48:41 PM
Here's my version of the Metcalfe church I started a couple of weeks ago (with the rather obvious transition between "church" wall and dry stone wall, not as neat as Alec's wall!). I also notice I need to straighten the cross on the top of the lych gate. More weathering and bedding in to be done, and I still intend to "populate" the churchyard with assorted tombs and tombstones.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/74/6889-130219194713.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=74118)

Title: Re: Saxon Street : (R.O.A. layout)
Post by: Invicta Alec on February 13, 2019, 07:58:01 PM
Here's my version of the Metcalfe church I started a couple of weeks ago (with the rather obvious transition between "church" wall and dry stone wall, not as neat as Alec's wall!).


Steve,

it looks great. I think it blends so well with your back scene. Excellent!

Alec.
Title: Re: Saxon Street : (R.O.A. layout)
Post by: Train Waiting on February 13, 2019, 08:16:07 PM
That is a spiffing church that you've built, Alec.  I intend to build one soon.

John

John,

Its a Metcalfe church and as I remember I found it one of their very easiest models to build. I think one of these on your layout would look just the bizzo! Poppingham St.Marks maybe?

https://www.metcalfemodels.com/product/pn926-n-scale-parish-church/ (https://www.metcalfemodels.com/product/pn926-n-scale-parish-church/)

Alec.

Many thanks, Alec.  It is a substantial structure and I assumed it might be tricky to build, so I was leaving it until I had some more experience with Metcalfe kits.  Following your kind and helpful comments it has now moved up the list!

Best wishes.

John
Title: Re: Saxon Street : (R.O.A. layout)
Post by: Invicta Alec on February 28, 2019, 06:33:45 PM
ROADS

Yes roads chaps. Its about time I pencilled the outline of the roads I intend to put on the layout. How do you go about doing yours?

I've seen people use fine grit wet and dry strips and others skimming over with filler atop a plaster bandage. The only ones I've ever done were just made using the dark grey card in the Metcalfe platform kits. I've seen the self adhesive types advertised but they look too pristine to me, too exact.

My roads will all sit on top of the 3mm foam board base that covers the majority of my layout. I was actually thinking of pencilling my outlines on to it and just getting the paint brushes out. Or is that a daft idea?  :worried:

Alec.
Title: Re: Saxon Street : (R.O.A. layout)
Post by: dannyboy on February 28, 2019, 06:52:56 PM
I was actually thinking of pencilling my outlines on to it and just getting the paint brushes out. Or is that a daft idea?  :worried:


I have just put the main road onto 'Averingcliffe' and all I have used is acrylic paint and a brush. For the driveways to the houses I have used some grey thin card, (not sure where it came from), to give variety. The main road at the moment is a rather uniform very dark grey, almost black, so I may 'dry brush' some different shades of very dark grey to represent wear etc.  The advantage of painting the roads is that if you are not happy, you can paint over it or stick some other substance down. Good luck with it, (and your imagination!).
Title: Re: Saxon Street : (R.O.A. layout)
Post by: Train Waiting on February 28, 2019, 06:57:12 PM
You are modelling recent practice in 1:148 scale, Alec.  Modern road surfaces are fairly smooth (potholes excepted) unless you are falling off a motor-bicycle.

I am the Forum's least competent scenic modeller and a computer nit-wit.  But look at the aerial photographs on that useful thing called 'Google Earth'.  See how little texture the roads have.  Therefore, paint is, to me, a good idea.  That's what I'm doing on my layout. 

If you are not happy with a painted road, it is easy to do something else.  Less so with other techniques.

There are some magnificent scenic modellers on our Forum who will, hopefully, be along in a minute with a proper answer.

Toodle-oo.

John

PS I see David already has!
Title: Re: Saxon Street : (R.O.A. layout)
Post by: Invicta Alec on February 28, 2019, 08:26:46 PM
I was actually thinking of pencilling my outlines on to it and just getting the paint brushes out. Or is that a daft idea?  :worried:


I have just put the main road onto 'Averingcliffe' and all I have used is acrylic paint and a brush. For the driveways to the houses I have used some grey thin card.......... to give variety.

The main road at the moment is a rather uniform very dark grey, almost black...............

if you are not happy, you can paint over it or stick some other substance down..............


Danny, your thought processes exactly match mine. Before I've even tried to paint a length of road I'm thinking "will it be too UNIFORM?" Also you've touched on one possible strategy using card for the driveways to give VARIETY.
Most helpful though is your point that it can be easily covered if its not up to expectations! Thanks.

Alec.
Title: Re: Saxon Street : (R.O.A. layout)
Post by: Invicta Alec on February 28, 2019, 08:34:25 PM

I am the Forum's least competent scenic modeller and a computer nit-wit.  But look at the aerial photographs on that useful thing called 'Google Earth'.  See how little texture the roads have.  Therefore, paint is, to me, a good idea.  That's what I'm doing on my layout. 

If you are not happy with a painted road, it is easy to do something else. 

John


Thank you John. Following your advice and that of Dannyboy, I'm taking the view that there is almost nothing to lose in giving it a go.
Much obliged old thing.

Alec.



Title: Re: Saxon Street : (R.O.A. layout)
Post by: ntpntpntp on February 28, 2019, 10:10:58 PM
You've seen my roads Alec:  card marked out in pencil, airbrushed base color (not too dark), white lines airbrushed with a home made stencil, then very light spray of a darker colour for the darker strip of dirt and tire dust etc.


(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/74/5885-280219221009.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=74575)
Title: Re: Saxon Street : (R.O.A. layout)
Post by: Invicta Alec on March 01, 2019, 11:17:44 AM
You've seen my roads Alec:  card marked out in pencil, airbrushed base color (not too dark) ...........

Yes I have mate and that's what prompted my original question! Your roads simply blend in mainly by use of subtle colour.
I've seen plenty of layouts where the roads are too stark. Jet black tarmac with contrasting vivid white markings looking geometrically neat, however anything but realistic or convincing!

Alec.


Title: Re: Saxon Street : (R.O.A. layout)
Post by: dannyboy on March 02, 2019, 06:58:44 PM
@Invicta Alec (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=5868) Just picked up the March issue of 'Model Rail' and there is a small article on creating roads - may be of interest if you have not seen it.
Title: Re: Saxon Street : (R.O.A. layout)
Post by: Invicta Alec on March 03, 2019, 01:19:52 PM
@Invicta Alec (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=5868) Just picked up the March issue of 'Model Rail' and there is a small article on creating roads - may be of interest if you have not seen it.

Thanks mate! I don't usually buy magazines but I'll look out for that one on my next trip to town.

Alec.
Title: Re: Saxon Street : (R.O.A. layout)
Post by: dannyboy on March 03, 2019, 01:31:05 PM
@Invicta Alec (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=5868)  The 3 page article is mainly pictures of how one person created his road using card. However, I did find out about Noch 25 x laser cut manhole covers and grating which I was not aware of. I have just ordered a set from Germany - cost me €12.94 in total - not a huge amount if they are no good, but they will come in useful somewhere I am sure.
Title: Re: Saxon Street : (R.O.A. layout)
Post by: Newportnobby on March 03, 2019, 03:21:46 PM
However, I did find out about Noch 25 x laser cut manhole covers and grating which I was not aware of. I have just ordered a set from Germany - cost me €12.94 in total - not a huge amount if they are no good, but they will come in useful somewhere I am sure.

Maybe to cover some holes, methinks :-X
Title: Re: Saxon Street : (R.O.A. layout)
Post by: dannyboy on March 03, 2019, 04:22:19 PM
How did you know about the holes? It is not my fault that a building is placed on the layout and a hole drilled for the lighting wires and then a week later I decide the building will look better moved to the right one inch.  ;)
Title: Re: Saxon Street : (R.O.A. layout)
Post by: Invicta Alec on March 16, 2019, 03:20:00 PM
This is just me experimenting. (Will delete soonish).

https://youtu.be/CDX6b1sYzoI

My one and only steam locomotive running on my old layout (no idea why I bought it, will probably sell it soon). I just wanted to get a video up onto the forum. Is this the best way (i.e. stick it on YouTube), or can you upload directly to the forum?


Alec.
Title: Re: Saxon Street : (R.O.A. layout)
Post by: Innovationgame on March 16, 2019, 05:04:59 PM
If you tripple click the link you inserted and then click the Youtube Icon you will get this:

Title: Re: Saxon Street : (R.O.A. layout)
Post by: Train Waiting on March 16, 2019, 07:40:51 PM
Thank you, Alec, for that spiffing film of your 'WD' 2-8-0; I'm jolly glad that you are having a steamy weekend.  Hopefully, more of these magnificent machines will appear on your splendid layout in due course.

Best wishes.

John
Title: Re: Saxon Street : (R.O.A. layout)
Post by: ntpntpntp on March 16, 2019, 07:49:29 PM

Hopefully, more of these magnificent machines will appear on your splendid layout in due course.

We've had a couple of German steamies running on Alec's line during my visits, would like to try more but I don't have many DCC locos in N, and my G scale won't fit :D  :D
Title: Re: Saxon Street : (R.O.A. layout)
Post by: Invicta Alec on March 16, 2019, 07:58:05 PM
Thank you, Alec, for that spiffing film of your 'WD' 2-8-0; I'm jolly glad that you are having a steamy weekend.  Hopefully, more of these magnificent machines will appear on your splendid layout in due course.

Best wishes.
John

John,
What can I say? I'm feeling a real fraud. I know you are an enthusiast of steam but I'm embarrassed to admit having no interest whatever in them. Put me down as a rotter and a cad but this little "WD" has lived in its box almost as long as I've owned it (about 5 months).
I have to say its a spiffing box, adorned as it is by several photos of the Longmoor Military Railway and oodles of narrative on its history. For us history buffs its a corking read and I've probably spent longer reading than running this plucky little locomotive and its coaches.
Hey ho, that's the fascination of this hobby I suppose - plenty to interest everybody. You'd probably throw your hands up in horror at my pile of boring old passenger EMUs and DMUs.  :D

Toodle pip.

Alec.
Title: Re: Saxon Street : (R.O.A. layout)
Post by: Invicta Alec on March 16, 2019, 10:17:52 PM


Thank you to @Innovationgame (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=3091) (Laurence) for teaching me how to do this.


Alec.








Title: Re: Saxon Street : (R.O.A. layout)
Post by: Train Waiting on March 17, 2019, 08:50:43 AM
...Hey ho, that's the fascination of this hobby I suppose - plenty to interest everybody.
Alec.

No-one has ever written a better statement about our hobby than that, Alec.  Thank you very much.

Incidentally, I would be every bit as fascinated by your DMUs and EMUs as I am by your marvellous layout.  I really appreciate seeing different approaches to model railways.  The one type of layout that does little for me is the big club oval in '00' that can be prominent at exhibitions.  Not much of a worry, though, as I rarely attend exhibitions!

All the very best.

John
Title: Re: Saxon Street : (R.O.A. layout)
Post by: Invicta Alec on March 22, 2019, 02:13:15 PM
Well it might not look like much, but this very nearly 8 inch strip of ballasting represents the "one step for man and one giant leap for mankind" as far as my Saxon Street layout is concerned. My initial plan seems to be working. I covered the entire layout right from the start with 3mm foam board. I laid the Kato track on top, drew round the track and sliced out the track shapes and removed the strips. The Kato trackbed now rests in the grooves thus formed. The foam board now buts up to the edges of the track and its 3mm thickness leaves (I think) just the right amount of track sticking up above ground level. The ballast used is Kato's own which is intended to match the grey speckled effect of the road bed. Its a very thin layer just sprinkled into neat pva and once dried I applied a 50/50 pva/water coat to the top to seal it.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/75/5868-220319132531-7523371.jpeg)

Another view of the end of platform 2/3 where a class 350/1 awaits departure. I've included only to show that I've also fixed up a little bit of fencing and some telegraph poles. Very easy to do of course since all thats required is a bradawl to poke some holes into the foam board and a little drop of pva to hold them upright.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/75/5868-220319132531-75232141.jpeg)

The local primary school St. Swithins has been finished and put in place. Its complete with footpaths and its own dedicated school bus stop just outside the main gates. No kids of course since its half term.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/75/5868-220319132529-75231783.jpeg)

Also laid down is the Saxon Street station car park complete with taxi rank. I'll make a taxi office in the corner I think. The zebra crossing markings, double yellow lines, paving around the station entrance and road surfaces are all downloads from Scenecraft and I think that the non-uniformity of the colourings gives a realistic effect.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/75/5868-220319132529-752311203.jpeg)

So there you are my good fellows. Saxon Street layout continues at a sedentary rather than frightening pace....but I'm enjoying it.

Alec.
Title: Re: Saxon Street : (R.O.A. layout)
Post by: dannyboy on March 22, 2019, 03:09:07 PM
Looking good Alec.  :thumbsup:. Regarding the Kato track, I actually did what you did in reverse - I laid the track and then cut 3mm board to butt up to the track where required - that way, even though there is only 3mm difference, the baseboard is not uniform in height. (Plus of course, not as much ballast material is required when you do it your way or my way - I am all for saving a bit of money where I can  ;)).
Title: Re: Saxon Street : (R.O.A. layout)
Post by: Bealman on March 22, 2019, 03:38:26 PM
That is all looking very good.  :thumbsup:

Having little experience with Kato (apart from the loco I picked up on my visit to Japan last year), I was genuinely surprised they do ballast material at all, considering the nature of their track.

It looks a bit darker than the moulded trackbase to my eyes, or is that just a camera effect?

Either way, it's coming along very nicely.  :beers:
Title: Re: Saxon Street : (R.O.A. layout)
Post by: Invicta Alec on March 22, 2019, 03:42:22 PM
Regarding the Kato track, I actually did what you did in reverse - I laid the track and then cut 3mm board to butt up to the track where required - that way, even though there is only 3mm difference, the baseboard is not uniform in height.


Yeah, good thinking David. I can think of an idea of two where that 3mm difference could be used to good effect. After all it represents a foot and a half in real world terms.

Alec.
Title: Re: Saxon Street : (R.O.A. layout)
Post by: Invicta Alec on March 22, 2019, 03:49:23 PM

It looks a bit darker than the moulded trackbase to my eyes, or is that just a camera effect?


To be honest although it is a Kato product its not an absolute match. Close but not exact. I think the ballast was maybe not quite dry at the time of taking the photo. Its darned expensive though, so packing it out with foam board saves money.

Alec.
Title: Re: Saxon Street : (R.O.A. layout)
Post by: Bealman on March 22, 2019, 04:02:51 PM
Thanks, Alec. Yes, I was almost going to ask if it was still wet, as it will be lighter when dry.

The foamboard filling is much better than filling with ballast alone, that's for sure.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Saxon Street : (R.O.A. layout)
Post by: Train Waiting on March 22, 2019, 04:50:50 PM
Thank you for these splendid photographs, Alec.  Saxon Street is coming on very well indeed.  You are certainly an expert builder of the Metcalfe kits and the road markings are ever so neat.

As for that 1970s-ish car - a Ford Cortina? - in an 'interesting' colour and with a stick-on vinyl roof, I remember them.

Great stuff.  Congratulations.

John
Title: Re: Saxon Street : (R.O.A. layout)
Post by: port perran on March 22, 2019, 04:53:36 PM
A very neat and tody job.
This is all looking really good.
Title: Re: Saxon Street : (R.O.A. layout)
Post by: Newportnobby on March 22, 2019, 05:03:44 PM
Very nice job, Alec.


As for that 1970s-ish car - a Ford Cortina? - in an 'interesting' colour and with a stick-on vinyl roof, I remember them.


It sure looks like a 'Golden Ochre' Mk III to me :D
Title: Re: Saxon Street : (R.O.A. layout)
Post by: dannyboy on March 22, 2019, 05:37:10 PM
The Kato ballast I have dries to an almost identical colour to the moulded ballast. A disadvantage of Kato Unitrack is its uniformity, by adding a bit of ballast, that uniformity can be altered.
Title: Re: Saxon Street : (R.O.A. layout)
Post by: Invicta Alec on March 22, 2019, 07:01:27 PM
Very nice job, Alec.


As for that 1970s-ish car - a Ford Cortina? - in an 'interesting' colour and with a stick-on vinyl roof, I remember them.


It sure looks like a 'Golden Ochre' Mk III to me :D

Absolutely spot on Mick and John.  Mark3 Cortina Golden Ochre and vinyl roof!! Oxford model been out about a year I think.

Alec.
Title: Re: Saxon Street : (R.O.A. layout)
Post by: cornish yorkie on March 22, 2019, 10:07:23 PM
A very neat and tody job.
This is all looking really good.
:hellosign:. I'll second that & thanks for the really useful ideas for the ballasting  :thumbsup:
    regards Derek
Title: Re: Saxon Street : (R.O.A. layout)
Post by: Invicta Alec on April 03, 2019, 03:17:34 PM
A little more progress on the layout dear fellows.
Some housing has been added to the layout at the Saxon Street end. Also the ubiquitous Queen Victoria pub and a little bit of green space for the residents. Hopefully the local ruffians will not throw their takeaway cartons on it on their way home from the pub.
All of these buildings were salvaged from my old layout and necessarily retouched here and there to make good.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/75/5868-030419144912-756512362.jpeg)


Here is a general view of the main street and with the planned additions of some lamposts, the odd road sign and maybe a letterbox it'll be near completion. I'm open to any ideas you all might have.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/75/5868-030419144912-756512325.jpeg)


I have four storage lanes at Cotton Hill, the other end of the layout. The ROA (rule 1 applies) aspect of my layout is really in evidence here. A BR green class 22 hauling mainly private owner wagons. Classes 350 and 153 in London Midland livery and a 156 in Northern Rail. I also confess to having some blue/grey stock and some NSE. Don't care, I think they are all splendid.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/75/5868-030419144914-756532203.jpeg)

Comments and witticisms gladly received.

Alec.

Title: Re: Saxon Street : (R.O.A. layout)
Post by: dannyboy on April 03, 2019, 03:51:48 PM
All looking good Alec.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Saxon Street : (R.O.A. layout)
Post by: Newportnobby on April 03, 2019, 04:13:15 PM
The ROA (rule 1 applies) aspect of my layout is really in evidence here. A BR green class 22 hauling mainly private owner wagons. Classes 350 and 153 in London Midland livery and a 156 in Northern Rail. I also confess to having some blue/grey stock and some NSE. Don't care, I think they are all splendid.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/75/5868-030419144914-756532203.jpeg)

Comments and witticisms gladly received.

Alec.

That's exactly what Rule 1 is for, and well applied :)
Title: Re: Saxon Street : (R.O.A. layout)
Post by: Train Waiting on April 03, 2019, 04:37:09 PM
Cor blimey, Alec, don't these photographs look bloomin' marvellous.

Saxon Street strikes my eyes as reasonably contemporary, say 1990-present day (ROA, of course!)  How about Belisha Beacons, or a Pelican crossing, and lots 'n' lots of badly parked cars and white vans all over the place?  And a couple of Diamond Geezers standing outside the boozer!

See ya later!

John

Title: Re: Saxon Street : (R.O.A. layout)
Post by: Invicta Alec on April 03, 2019, 05:40:17 PM
Cor blimey, Alec, don't these photographs look bloomin' marvellous.

Saxon Street strikes my eyes as reasonably contemporary, say 1990-present day (ROA, of course!)  How about Belisha Beacons, or a Pelican crossing, and lots 'n' lots of badly parked cars and white vans all over the place?  And a couple of Diamond Geezers standing outside the boozer!

See ya later!

John

John, thanks geezer! In truth the photos were the only 3 survivors from the session. The other 9 are in the bin. My original plan was to aim for 1986, so your estimate is very close. Being ROA there is a plus/minus 15 year safety band in operation too.
I like your thinking, Belisha beacons are already pencilled in on the next shopping list!

Alec.


Title: Re: Saxon Street : (R.O.A. layout)
Post by: Invicta Alec on April 11, 2019, 04:22:09 PM
The landlady at the Queen Vic pub in Saxon Street Annie Walker ever with an eye to making more money has stumped up the cash for a beer garden. My B&Q style cheapy fence panels have come out quite well considering the unforgiving nature of my Canon DSLR and its propensity in showing up every little modelling faux pas. The newly laid lawn despite being made of finest scatter proves the point. I've got my eye on the Metcalfe mini kit of benches and parasols to finish it off.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/76/5868-110419153633-76066298.jpeg)

Another view with the wall advert for Rothmans fags blurred out in order to be PC.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/76/5868-110419153638-760771197.jpeg)


Giving myself a rest from glue and scatter I decided to do something I'm reasonably good at i.e. making Metcalfe kits. Here is one of their latest offerings, a little industrial unit. Probably one of their easiest to make I think. Looks fine, just got to decide where it'll finally be positioned.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/76/5868-110419153635-76075517.jpeg)


A little set of Peco level crossing gates built from 22 micoscopic pieces of plastic amid a cloud of bad language. My cricketing days are over, I'm forever dropping bits on to the floor. Just loose laid at the moment before making good the join between road and track.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/76/5868-110419153633-760661146.jpeg)

Now, I'm quite pleased with my Model Scene bus stops and bus shelters. Knowing I was going to take a photo of these I spent ages making sure the bus stops were absolutely vertical, giving my camera no chance of embarrassing me! The little time table (5x3mm) and the roundels (5x4mm), neither of which were supplied, were a challenge to make indeed! The bus shelters (one at the station and one outside the school) came unpainted and no glazing supplied. The packaging of many of the Metcalfe kits has a thin acetate sheet as a viewing window and I've kept a few of these as a "these might come in handy one day" type of thing. Glad to report that is what the shelters are glazed with.  :)

 
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/76/5868-110419153635-760751099.jpeg)


Carry on chaps.

Alec.



Title: Re: Saxon Street : (R.O.A. layout)
Post by: dannyboy on April 11, 2019, 06:09:08 PM
Looking good Alec.  :thumbsup: I have a box just for Metcalfe 'left overs' and am using a piece of roofing for the extended Manor House Farm I am building as we speak.
Title: Re: Saxon Street : (R.O.A. layout)
Post by: Train Waiting on April 11, 2019, 07:59:43 PM
Thank you for these super photographs, Alec.

You are certainly the Metcalfe Ace!  And the motor omnibus shelter is a jolly fine job.

The new-flocked lawn looks lovely.  Ideal place for having a pint/s of 'London Pride' and watching the trains go by.

I had fun with the Peco level crossing as well.  No cloud of bad language here of course, as there was a lady present.  But maybe a whoops-a-daisy or two.

Great stuff; model railways are fun.

Best wishes.

John
Title: Re: Saxon Street : (R.O.A. layout)
Post by: port perran on April 11, 2019, 08:05:27 PM
Thank you for sharing those pictures Alec.
You’ve made a super job of those kitd and I very much like the beer garden fencing.
Keep the updates coming if you will.
Martin
Title: Re: Saxon Street : (R.O.A. layout)
Post by: Invicta Alec on April 11, 2019, 10:01:34 PM

Great stuff; model railways are fun.

Best wishes.

John

Thank you John and also to the other fine fellows on here for all your words of encouragement. Its a pleasure to be a part of this community. Yes I'm having fun with Saxon Street but also enjoying and learning from your layouts too.

Best wishes to my fellow N gaugers in Prague, The Borders, Carrharrack, Hayle, Hessle, Leitrim, Cambridge and anyone with connections to Newport  :)

Alec.
Title: Re: Saxon Street : (R.O.A. layout)
Post by: cornish yorkie on April 12, 2019, 01:14:48 PM
 :hellosign:  :greatpicturessign:
 Just to add a very worthy  :thumbsup: excellent modelling Alec
      regards Derek.
Title: Re: Saxon Street : (R.O.A. layout)
Post by: Invicta Alec on April 13, 2019, 04:08:44 PM
You've got to hand it to John over at Poppingham village, his infectious enthusiasm for the newly arrived Union Mills 3F has spilled over to Saxon Street.

If you were up very early this morning having a wander past the little used Cotton Hill station you'd have witnessed the spiffing handiwork of those clever fellows at the locomotive paint shop. Just a few short days ago a somewhat tired SWT class 170 eased its way into their care. Now gleaming in the morning sunlight and raring to get back into traffic this beautiful refurb slowly trundled past.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/76/5868-130419150539-761481668.jpeg)

Young Terry Spotter aware of its imminent arrival had climbed a tree and bagged this with his dad's telephoto lens.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/76/5868-130419150538-7614864.jpeg)

Shortly after arriving at Farningham Central to pick up its first passengers in its new Southern livery it caused quite a stir among the old hands. Old Tom said "Thirty three years I've worked on this station and I don't think I've ever seen such a nice looking livery". "Aye, you can't beat the Southern" said Dick. "Nonsense" said Harry. "None of the modern stuff is a patch on the magnificent BR blue and grey" as he wandered off muttering to himself. "Cor blimey, its got a first class bit" said young Terry as he treated himself to one more close up.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/76/5868-130419150541-761572330.jpeg)


Back in the real world, my thanks to BR Lines for sending me (in super quick time) some new body shells for my 170. Almost as good as having a new train! I've got a spare set of SWT bodies now going cheap!  ;)


Alec.

Title: Re: Saxon Street : (R.O.A. layout)
Post by: Train Waiting on April 13, 2019, 04:54:09 PM
Absolutely fabulous, Alec; thank you very much indeed.

And thank you to young Terry Spotter for these splendiferous photographs.

Southern livery, eh; that's got me thinking!

Toodle-pip.

John

PS Terry, the 'first class bit' is for me to travel in.  And for Poppy, too; I don't think she would go in a third - sorry 'standard' as it's called nowadays.
Title: Re: Saxon Street : (R.O.A. layout)
Post by: Invicta Alec on April 25, 2019, 09:26:21 PM
Keep Left

Hello fellow model railway enthusiasts. Here is another scintillating report on the progress of my Saxon Street layout.
Before I begin I should tell you that yours truly is quite a history buff. Not that I'm any sort of authority but I simply enjoy reading the subject widely. I chose the moniker Invicta Alec to use on the forum as an acknowledgement to the glorious history of my home county of Kent. The rampant white horse, the county symbol is also known as Invicta, meaning undefeated or unconquered. Bit odd really since every ragamuffin tribe that's ever marched over from the continent has trampled all over us on their way up the country (well up until 1940 they did).
Anyway I digress. Dunno about undefeated but I've long suspected that I continue to lose my marbles at an alarming rate.
Today I spent about forty minutes turning a very small scrap of thin cardboard into a 4x4x9.5mm cuboid. I did have a lengthy conversation with myself while doing so, mainly on strategies to avoid dropping the thing several times on the floor.

I thought this whole futile exercise should be recorded for posterity.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/76/5868-250419205708.jpeg)

Its a poor photo taken with my cheapy phone. No way was I going to have that too-clever-for-its-own-good DSLR camera of mine show up my lack of skills.

Alec.
Title: Re: Saxon Street : (R.O.A. layout)
Post by: dannyboy on April 25, 2019, 09:31:16 PM
Excellent work that is Alec.  :thumbsup: And don't forget, having a conversation with yourself means that, if an argument develops, you win!
Title: Re: Saxon Street : (R.O.A. layout)
Post by: Newportnobby on April 25, 2019, 09:41:13 PM
Just remember - 'no man is an island' sayeth John Donne in 1624 when they didn't even have traffic islands so he was therefore pyschotic psychedelic physic a clever clogs
Title: Re: Saxon Street : (R.O.A. layout)
Post by: cornish yorkie on April 25, 2019, 11:15:47 PM
 :hellosign: Gosh Alec, excellent modelling  :thumbsup:
     regards Derek.
Title: Re: Saxon Street : (R.O.A. layout)
Post by: GreyWolf on April 26, 2019, 06:54:41 AM
That looks great from this distance Alec!  :thumbsup:

My grandmother told me to always talk to the smartest person there.  :D

Cheers  :beers:
Title: Re: Saxon Street : (R.O.A. layout)
Post by: Innovationgame on April 26, 2019, 08:19:48 AM
Where I come from, that could be described as the first of a lot of bollards!  When they first appeared in Coventry, the one outside the Council House quickly earnd the nickname 'Aunt Sally' on account of the fact that it was knocked over almost every week.  And they weren't the modern plug-in ones in those days so they used to get really flattened.  The steam rollers in coventry were Invica with the rampant horse on the front of the steering post, so one of those might have done a real flattening job!  :D

But well done for a bit of excellent modelling!  :beers:
Title: Re: Saxon Street : (R.O.A. layout)
Post by: Invicta Alec on April 26, 2019, 10:25:13 AM

 The steam rollers in Coventry were Invicta with the rampant horse on the front of the steering post......


Absolutely spot on Laurence. The Invicta steam rollers were made by Aveling and Porter at their Strood, Kent works. I grew up not more than five miles from there. Fascinated to watch them as a boy trundling down the streets of our estate following the tar and grit lorries, flattening everything in their paths. A fearsome sight when you were only a little lad.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/76/5868-260419101639.jpeg)

Alec.

Title: Re: Saxon Street : (R.O.A. layout)
Post by: Train Waiting on April 26, 2019, 06:53:10 PM
The rampant white horse, the county symbol is also known as Invicta, meaning undefeated or unconquered.

And the cap badge of the Royal West Kents*.  Memorably worn by the Walmington-on-Sea platoon of the Home Guard**.

That is a magnificent bollard, Alec.  Great modelling!  Please tell me that these are a post-1938 feature as I don't fancy making one.

I actually once acted (in Nairn where all things are possible) as a steersman on a steam-roller and had to bring it in beside a well-known television personality without flattening him.  All I'll say is that the term 'lost motion' (no sniggering at the back of the room please @Newportnobby (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=264)) could have been invented for the steering of a steam-roller.  It was a Fowler of Leeds rather than an Aveling & Porter.  The personality survived!

Best wishes

John

* In the interests of balance, I ought to point out that other regiments are available - 'Steady the Buffs!'

** "Wur aw doooooomed!"
Title: Re: Saxon Street : (R.O.A. layout)
Post by: Invicta Alec on April 26, 2019, 07:42:41 PM

That is a magnificent bollard, Alec.  Great modelling!  Please tell me that these are a post-1938 feature as I don't fancy making one.

John.


John, unfortunately this style of bollard is far too modern for Poppingham.
I've tried my best for you, I've scoured the interweb but to no avail. I cannot come up with its pre-war predecessor.  I was looking forward to sticking one in the Royal Mail for you. ;)

Alec.
Title: Re: Saxon Street : (R.O.A. layout)
Post by: Newportnobby on April 26, 2019, 08:27:42 PM

I actually once acted (in Nairn where all things are possible) as a steersman on a steam-roller and had to bring it in beside a well-known television personality without flattening him.  All I'll say is that the term 'lost motion' (no sniggering at the back of the room please @Newportnobby (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=264)) could have been invented for the steering of a steam-roller.


@Train Waiting (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=6222)
Can I just say there are many 'personalities' I would quite happily drive next to/onto with the intention of flattening them? Top of the list at present is Keith Lemon but the list is long >:D
Title: Re: Saxon Street : (R.O.A. layout)
Post by: Innovationgame on April 27, 2019, 08:49:03 AM
That is a magnificent bollard, Alec.  Great modelling!  Please tell me that these are a post-1938 feature as I don't fancy making one.
I remember traffic bollards in the 1940s as plain, octagonal things with what appeared to be cycle reflectors attached to the sides.  I can't find a picure of one anywhere, but here's a picture of something similar taken in 1938.

(https://i2-prod.coventrytelegraph.net/incoming/article4864017.ece/ALTERNATES/s1227b/PM3056259.jpg)
Picture from Coventry Telegraph
Title: Re: Saxon Street : (R.O.A. layout)
Post by: ntpntpntp on April 27, 2019, 09:51:28 AM
The first result on a google search gave a link to this forum thread, the first post has some links to scans of 1940s bollard designs - quite interesting!

https://www.sabre-roads.org.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=16116 (https://www.sabre-roads.org.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=16116)



This link also has some interesting illustrations of  the evolution of road markings, signs and street furniture styles including traffic bollards (about 2/3 down the page)

https://www.igg.org.uk/rail/00-app1/st-furn.htm (https://www.igg.org.uk/rail/00-app1/st-furn.htm)
Title: Re: Saxon Street : (R.O.A. layout)
Post by: nookfield on April 27, 2019, 10:05:13 AM
Hexagonal (possibly octagonal) bollards with a circular reflector attached from the 1940's

I like the two little flags to warn other drivers of the workmen

(https://i.pinimg.com/736x/73/48/42/7348429b8d0a25739f418424ded866b8.jpg)



Title: Re: Saxon Street : (R.O.A. layout)
Post by: springwood on April 28, 2019, 12:11:12 PM
Just quickly reading some of the earlier threads on this subject and in particular to Invicta Alec's thread#50 (18/12/18) when some discussion ensued on backscenes. I'm currently laying track on my debut layout where my up and down main loops will go through tunnels and become 2-road and 3-road lines respectively in the hidden fiddle yard at the back of the layout. I intend to 'screen off' the fiddle yard with a backscene running the full length (6' 8") of the baseboard.
Looking for a bit of guidance, specifically on the backscene; what type of wood is typically used? (5 or 6mm ply?). How is this secured to the baseboard? I have obviously heard of ID Backscenes - any others out there worth considering?
Thank you, Robin
Title: Re: Saxon Street : (R.O.A. layout)
Post by: ntpntpntp on April 28, 2019, 01:09:43 PM
Looking for a bit of guidance, specifically on the backscene; what type of wood is typically used? (5 or 6mm ply?). How is this secured to the baseboard? I have obviously heard of ID Backscenes - any others out there worth considering?


There really is no single correct or best way, it totally depends on how your layout is constructed and also depends on your woodworking skills?

Usually a backscene doesn't have to be particularly strongly mounted, and if you want to achieve curves at the back corners rather than hard angles then maybe simple hardboard is better than ply.  How you fix it to the baseboard will depend on how you've constructed the baseboard in the first place? If you've used an open frame then simply fit riser battens coming up from the frame.  If you've gone for a flat top and you're not fitting the backscene to the very back edge of the layout then you'll need to arrange some sort of L brackets, or maybe run a batten horizontally along the top of the baseboard and then screw riser battens to that?

On my layout the backscene is integral to the modules themselves as I create open topped ply "boxes" then cut down the front and sides to create a scenic profile, but leave the back full height for a simple pale blue background.   Here's a shot showing some new modules being created back in 2005 to "wrap round" the original layout

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/76/5885-280419130644.jpeg)
Title: Re: Saxon Street : (R.O.A. layout)
Post by: springwood on April 28, 2019, 01:37:23 PM
Thanks for that. Mine is a closed top baseboard (i.e. complete piece on the timber frame), so will have to think of some small 'L' brackets soon. With hillsides/tunnels on each side there will doubtless be some fixing points on the sides aswell. I guess overall height of backscene is very much down to the individual and layout itself?? What would be an average?
Title: Re: Saxon Street : (R.O.A. layout)
Post by: Newportnobby on April 28, 2019, 04:12:05 PM
@springwood (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=7301)
I use 6mm ply screwed to the baseboard frame at the back and have used ID backscene.
Take a look at Gaugemasters GM701,702,703 etc. for an alternative
I then sealed the top using plastic spine used for holding A4 sheets of paper together.
(Apologies to Alec for hijacking his thread a bit)
Title: Re: Saxon Street : (R.O.A. layout)
Post by: Invicta Alec on April 28, 2019, 07:42:24 PM
@springwood (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=7301)
I use 6mm ply screwed to the baseboard frame at the back and have used ID backscene.
Take a look at Gaugemasters GM701,702,703 etc. for an alternative
I then sealed the top using plastic spine used for holding A4 sheets of paper together.
(Apologies to Alec for hijacking his thread a bit)

Actually I'm glad of the "hijack" @Newportnobby (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=264). Saxon Street is only my second attempt at a layout. My first never got anywhere near finished, I realised that there were too many things that could have been done better so I abandoned it and started again.
I'm happy to see @springwood (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=7301) getting some good advice from my experienced friend @ntpntpntp (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=5885).
As far as back scenes are concerned I made several mistakes.

1. On the first layout I only made the scene 5" (125mm) high from the inexpensive Gaugemaster range. Picture wise it looked ok but I knew I should have made it taller. Being a small overall size I reasoned that 3.6mm ply was strong enough and it was (just about). I can't have stuck it well enough since I several times had to add a little bit of glue here and there to stop edges lifting.

2. Learning from this I bought the 9" (225mm) premium ID range for Saxon Street. The photographic quality is high on heavyweight polypropelene paper. I chose the self adhesive option. Revelling in the extra height I just went gung ho and slapped the whole thing on before realising the line of buildings on the photos were too high up and appeared to be flying high across the sky rather than looking like a backdrop to my passing trains.

3. The contact adhesive on these is very strong and great care must be taken when rolling it out to keep the edges parallel. Once it touches down, it wants to stay down! I had considered sticking it to 5mm thick foam board to make a very lightweight structure and then to mount it to the wall (with tiny brackets maybe). But no! that's when I made the worst mistake........I stuck it directly onto the newly emulsioned walls! It didn't take long, cost nothing in materials and look great.......apart from the flying buildings.

After letting it annoy the life out of me for a week or two I took the decision to pull it off. I took me over an hour to remove it (boy is that glue strong). I got it off in five complete strips, somehow managed to trim a couple of gummy inches off the bottom and stick it back on the wall. The wall suffered a little here and there, that's the reason I now have a (very useful) three inch wide shelf running along the top  :)

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/73/5868-230119151654-73429956.jpeg)

@springwood (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=7301)  short answer is get the plain paper type and use wallpaper paste (to give you time to position the sheets accurately) and fix it onto 6mm ply as per ntpntpntp's advice.

Alec.

Title: Re: Saxon Street : (R.O.A. layout)
Post by: Innovationgame on April 29, 2019, 07:33:16 AM
I screwed 9mm ply to the back of the baseboard and then screwed 3mm Foamex to the ply.  This allowed me to curve the backscene around the corners.  It also much easier to fix the backscene to Foamex than to ply.  I used 9 inch ID backscenes 'Hills and Dales'.  I tried several adhesive methods for the backscene, but I didn't try wallpaper paste, which, I think, would have made it easier to slide the backscenes into the correct position.  So, next time, I will use wallpaper paste.
Title: Re: Saxon Street : (R.O.A. layout)
Post by: Invicta Alec on April 29, 2019, 11:03:47 AM

I screwed 9mm ply to the back of the baseboard and then screwed 3mm Foamex to the ply.

I think for larger layouts like yours Laurence, thicker back boards are appropriate. 3mm foam board is certainly a good material to get round the corners!


Alec.
Title: Re: Saxon Street : (R.O.A. layout)
Post by: Invicta Alec on May 03, 2019, 03:23:03 PM
Down at the pub

“Did you hear about the kerfuffle at the Queen Vic yesterday?” said Gordon.
“No, I didn’t, what happened?” I said.
“Well landlady Annie Walker was crowing about her newly opened beer garden” he replied.

I had driven past earlier that day and saw the parasols peeping over the fence. “Yeah, very nice” said Gordon. “Made by those fellows at Metcalfe. Apparently the bits are all laser cut so accurately that you only need to glue them together”. “Anyway Jimmy the Chiseler and his mates were first in and ordered a round. Jimmy wanted to know why the price had gone up.”
“Its tuppence a pint extra when we serve them in the beer garden” said Annie. “Jimmy flew into a rage and called her an old skinflint. She barred him on the spot.” said Gordon with a grin.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/76/5868-030519143508-769361815.jpeg)

“I can’t be dealing with all this” I thought, so I went off to play with my trains.

Just arrived from Saxon Street the charming Southern class 171 on platform 1 at Farningham Central. A pair of Regional Rail 150s on local duties occupy the other two platforms.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/76/5868-030519143526-769371736.jpeg)

Actually the nearest one is a brand new addition to my fleet. Its the Graham Farish weathered one that Rails of Sheffield were flogging off cheaply recently. I’m not sure that I’m that bothered about having weathered stock but this one looks reasonable. Here’s a close up.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/76/5868-030519143500-769301160.jpeg)

Onwards and upwards stout fellows!

Alec.
Title: Re: Saxon Street : (R.O.A. layout)
Post by: crewearpley40 on May 03, 2019, 05:21:27 PM
Alec those units are looking seriously good and the pub scene well modelled. Thank you for the tutorials on backscenes. After a flat rebuild and finding a damaged piece thanks to the builder im having to rebuild mine. Just gave me a lot to work on. Thank you again
Title: Re: Saxon Street : (R.O.A. layout)
Post by: Invicta Alec on May 03, 2019, 06:30:51 PM

......... Thank you for the tutorials on backscenes.


Thank YOU kind sir. I think however "tutorials" is a bit overstating the case. It was more a list of how NOT to do it!   ;D

Alec.
Title: Re: Saxon Street : (R.O.A. layout)
Post by: crewearpley40 on May 03, 2019, 06:36:24 PM
alec


its a learning curve we can all  share with each other.did enjoy reading your proect. just have to sort my own industrial scene out, and buythe materials im looking at. the platforms and  the backscene look well on your layout
Title: Re: Saxon Street : (R.O.A. layout)
Post by: Newportnobby on May 03, 2019, 08:55:22 PM
Down at the pub

“Did you hear about the kerfuffle at the Queen Vic yesterday?” said Gordon.
“No, I didn’t, what happened?” I said.
“Well landlady Annie Walker was crowing about her newly opened beer garden” he replied.


Ah yes. The famous Coronation Enders. Such memories :) ;)
Title: Re: Saxon Street : (R.O.A. layout)
Post by: Train Waiting on May 03, 2019, 09:48:12 PM
Many thanks, Alec.

Super pictures, great modelling and very interesting context.

Just one particular pedantry.  As Annie Walker will be glad to tell you, I'm most certainly not a stout fellow.

Not at all!  It's Annie's finest, foaming ale for me.

Slainte!

John

John
Title: Re: Saxon Street : (R.O.A. layout)
Post by: Invicta Alec on May 10, 2019, 04:55:00 PM
Buffer lights

Afternoon good fellows. Have you seen these? Gaugemaster buffer lights (part number GM58).

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/77/5868-100519164846-772451374.jpeg)

They work on DC and DCC. No wiring or soldering, they just clip in between the rails taking power from the track. They certainly work as an aid to stop bashing into the buffers at the end of the line.   I use Kato #6 points and although they are power routing I’ve not put a power feeder in at the end of the deviating routes, so only the powered lanes have a light on. I need all the help I can get to stop me constantly flicking the wrong switches!  :)

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/77/5868-100519164852-77262608.jpeg)

In the photo I’ve only clicked in two so far but they take literally seconds to fit.
Each unit is made up with two tiny leds. Under DC only one is lit, both when using DCC. The brightness is affected by your controller setting under DC but constant with DCC. A pack of 2 costs roughly a tenner.


Alec.
Title: Re: Saxon Street : (R.O.A. layout)
Post by: Newportnobby on May 10, 2019, 08:50:58 PM
Maybe much later than my transition era (unless anyone knows different) but a neat idea.
Title: Re: Saxon Street : (R.O.A. layout)
Post by: 25901JFM on May 11, 2019, 01:57:40 PM
Maybe much later than my transition era (unless anyone knows different) but a neat idea.

Yes Mick.  Oil lamps were used back in those days and indeed well in to the 80's.  Not sure when the electric lights were introduced for buffer stops, but they did start to appear in the 80's (may be earlier in larger locations?) and gradually replaced the old oil lit lamps.

John
Title: Re: Saxon Street : (R.O.A. layout)
Post by: Invicta Alec on May 13, 2019, 08:24:56 PM
Sorely tempted

Well my dear fellows I am in need of your help.

As I've stated a few times in the past I'm an emu and dmu fan. My layout is all about passenger trains. I have not the slightest interest in all that old fashioned steam stuff. A few months ago I did buy a second hand 2-8-0 Austerity out of curiosity mostly. It kept me entertained for about a week, watching its little moving bits going round and round, but it went back in its box and a little later it was sold.

Some times I do lean over the fence at Poppingham village and watch the occasional Puffing Billy go by and while I don't mind looking at a bit of other people's nostalgia, its not really for me.

Until that is I saw this................................ :heart2:


(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/77/5868-130519200848-773972468.jpeg)

I politely ask you all to submit well reasoned arguments of just why I don't need it.

Please  :confused1:


Alec.



Title: Re: Saxon Street : (R.O.A. layout)
Post by: crewearpley40 on May 13, 2019, 08:43:13 PM
tornado on a charter train ? or sell to fund the next DMU or EMU
a conundrum
Title: Re: Saxon Street : (R.O.A. layout)
Post by: Newportnobby on May 13, 2019, 08:46:15 PM

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/77/5868-130519200848-773972468.jpeg)

I politely ask you all to submit well reasoned arguments of just why I don't need it.


Because it's blue? >:D
Title: Re: Saxon Street : (R.O.A. layout)
Post by: ntpntpntp on May 13, 2019, 08:48:16 PM
Sorely tempted

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/77/5868-130519200848-773972468.jpeg)

I politely ask you all to submit well reasoned arguments of just why I don't need it.

Er...... nope, can't think of a reason  :D

Have to admit my green Tornado is the first Farish steam loco since the 80s that made me think they're getting things right at last in British N.  Looks lovely, runs very well. Almost enough to tempt me back from the German stuff (but not quite  ;)  )
Title: Re: Saxon Street : (R.O.A. layout)
Post by: Invicta Alec on May 13, 2019, 08:51:36 PM

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/77/5868-130519200848-773972468.jpeg)

I politely ask you all to submit well reasoned arguments of just why I don't need it.


Because it's blue? >:D


Um........the green ones are generally cheaper  :hmmm:


Alec.
Title: Re: Saxon Street : (R.O.A. layout)
Post by: Invicta Alec on May 13, 2019, 08:55:04 PM

I politely ask you all to submit well reasoned arguments of just why I don't need it.

Er...... nope, can't think of a reason  :D

Have to admit my green Tornado is the first Farish steam loco since the 80s that made me think they're getting things right at last in British N.  Looks lovely, runs very well. Almost enough to tempt me back from the German stuff (but not quite  ;)  )
[/quote]

Hmmm......I wonder what your green one would look like running around my layout?  :hmmm:

 :D Alec.
Title: Re: Saxon Street : (R.O.A. layout)
Post by: ntpntpntp on May 13, 2019, 09:00:56 PM
Hmmm......I wonder what your green one would look like running around my layout?  :hmmm:

Can't right now, it's in Germany  :D

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/77/5885-130519192112.jpeg)
Title: Re: Saxon Street : (R.O.A. layout)
Post by: Train Waiting on May 13, 2019, 09:20:50 PM

I politely ask you all to submit well reasoned arguments of just why I don't need it.

Please  :confused1:


I regret that I can't*.  Too new for your layout's era, of course, but ROA!

Your layout is about running passenger trains and that is what she is for.

Have you seen her or travelled behind her?

* However, if you want one steam locomotive and one only (just the one!);  I'd recommend the Union Mills City of Truro.

Best wishes.

John


Title: Re: Saxon Street : (R.O.A. layout)
Post by: dannyboy on May 13, 2019, 09:22:28 PM
Reading the above reasons as to why you do not need it, I have to say that my favourite is the one given by Mick, @Newportnobby (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=264)  - that is a lovely shade of blue.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Saxon Street : (R.O.A. layout)
Post by: Invicta Alec on May 13, 2019, 09:52:30 PM
Thank you all for your suggestions.

Not sayin' I'll get one charter train eh? but IF I do, what coaches would look fabulous following behind?  ::)

Alec.
Title: Re: Saxon Street : (R.O.A. layout)
Post by: crewearpley40 on May 13, 2019, 09:55:03 PM
mark one 's in maroon livery with a support coach would look superb alec,unsure maybe gresleys  /thompson stock if modelling a long time ago

Title: Re: Saxon Street : (R.O.A. layout)
Post by: Train Waiting on May 14, 2019, 08:19:19 AM
Thank you all for your suggestions.

Not sayin' I'll get one charter train eh? but IF I do, what coaches would look fabulous following behind?  ::)

Alec.

For looking 'fabulous', I think it has to be Pullmans, Alec.  A Belmond British Pullman sort of working.  Round the Surrey Hills, via Saxon Street, having Gala Luncheon behind Clan Line… perfik!  Although my City of Truro suggestion for motive power still stands!

Toodle-oo.

John

Title: Re: Saxon Street : (R.O.A. layout)
Post by: Innovationgame on May 14, 2019, 08:37:38 AM
You had me fooled for a minute.  I couldn't find it in either of my 1950s Ian Allen books.  Then I realised it was a modern repro.   I should go for the real thing!
Title: Re: Saxon Street : (R.O.A. layout)
Post by: Graham on May 14, 2019, 08:52:58 AM
Just read this from the first post and it now makes me want to rebuild my layout even more, like you were I have reached the stage where I don't want to do any more to it.

love the layout and the even the DSLR pics.

cheers
Graham
Title: Re: Saxon Street : (R.O.A. layout)
Post by: Invicta Alec on May 14, 2019, 11:53:44 AM
Just read this from the first post and it now makes me want to rebuild my layout even more, like you were I have reached the stage where I don't want to do any more to it.

love the layout and the even the DSLR pics.

cheers
Graham

Graham, thanks for your comments.
In the two years or so that I've been back into modelling I've read a good number of posts on this forum indicating the loss of mojo, even among very experienced members.

I'm glad of all the lessons I learned from my first layout. Poor choice of materials/equipment, limited operational possibilities and quite frankly substandard modelling. I stopped all development for weeks on end. Maybe its this sense of dissatisfaction that causes many a layout not to be finished?

In deciding to scrap it all I was determined not to reach the same situation again. I spent dozens and dozens of hours on the new design. I'm glad to say that apart from re-positioning one set of points the layout is exactly the same as in the very first post, so I got that bit right at least. I'm still guilty of rushing bits of my slowly improving modelling, but I have to keep on reminding myself it really isn't a race!

Good luck with your decision, you have my vote to start again (and to begin enjoying doing it).  :)

Alec.
Title: Re: Saxon Street : (R.O.A. layout)
Post by: LowerQuadrant on May 15, 2019, 06:13:26 AM
Hmmm......I wonder what your green one would look like running around my layout?  :hmmm:

Can't right now, it's in Germany  :D

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/77/5885-130519192112.jpeg)

Whenever this should actually happen, I'll be so there... :claphappy:

Had my finger on the "buy"-button several times - a stunning machine, especially in blue. But being a present-day modeller, I'll wait some more. They can't hold the apple green Tornado from us forever (or can they? :hmmm:). Pre-owned ones seem to be very hard to get.
Title: Re: Saxon Street : (R.O.A. layout)
Post by: crewearpley40 on May 15, 2019, 06:19:50 AM
Surely a sought after collectors' locomotive that you desire on your shed?
Title: Re: Saxon Street : (R.O.A. layout)
Post by: Invicta Alec on May 15, 2019, 03:06:15 PM
Some things you get right …..

Good afternoon to all in N scale land. Do you know the warm feeling of buying or building something for your layout and immediately thinking “Yes! Bang on. Dead right!” I did it recently with the purchase of a vehicle (one of the Oxford range). It only cost a few quid but it pleases me no end. A splendid model of an RTL bus in London Country green. Considering its size, super detailed radiator, number plates, advertisements and decals. Do you have any favourite little bits like this around your layout?

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/77/5868-150519141259-77465923.jpeg)

Now in an effort to keep pace with you expert modelling folk I’ve made a start on ballasting the new storage yard at Cotton Hill. This part of the layout build is a test of my fundamental decision right from the start of having my Kato track sitting directly on the baseboard with 3mm foam board butting up to the track bed shoulder. Hopefully you can pretty much see my method in this photo.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/77/5868-150519141250-77456591.jpeg)

Each strip of foam board is covered in neat pva and a very thin layer of the Kato ballast is sprinkled on. Its very easy to do since I lift each piece off the layout. When its dry I then brush over a 50/50 pva/water mix to seal the surface. Once that is dry each piece is then glued back into its final position using neat pva once again. This leaves me with just fine 1 or 2mm wide gaps between the boards and the track bed shoulder. My plan was to dry sprinkle in sufficient to fill the gaps and then seal it using droplets of the 50/50 mix. I only did a small bit like this and it was a pain. The droplets just sit on the surface so I’m thinking that I’m going to need a weaker mix? Did I read somewhere that adding a few molecules of washing up liquid breaks the surface tension?

Alec.
Title: Re: Saxon Street : (R.O.A. layout)
Post by: dannyboy on May 15, 2019, 03:17:40 PM
I like it Alec.   :thumbsup:. I also have put the Unitrack direct onto the baseboard and built up to the shoulders as and where I thought it necessary. In some places where I have a slight gap at the side of the track in a yard or whatever that is not covered by ballast, I have used a thin bead of PVA and sprinkled some 'grass' on to the PVA.  And yes, a drop or two of washing up liquid does help.
Title: Re: Saxon Street : (R.O.A. layout)
Post by: crewearpley40 on May 15, 2019, 03:52:40 PM
that is one neat set of sidings in the EMU Stabling point
Title: Re: Saxon Street : (R.O.A. layout)
Post by: port perran on May 15, 2019, 05:50:04 PM
That all looks fantastic and I agree fully, that bus just looks completely right.
Title: Re: Saxon Street : (R.O.A. layout)
Post by: Train Waiting on May 15, 2019, 06:58:56 PM
This part of the layout build is a test of my fundamental decision right from the start of having my Kato track sitting directly on the baseboard with 3mm foam board butting up to the track bed shoulder.
Each strip of foam board is covered in neat pva and a very thin layer of the Kato ballast is sprinkled on. Its very easy to do since I lift each piece off the layout. When its dry I then brush over a 50/50 pva/water mix to seal the surface. Once that is dry each piece is then glued back into its final position using neat pva once again. This leaves me with just fine 1 or 2mm wide gaps between the boards and the track bed shoulder. My plan was to dry sprinkle in sufficient to fill the gaps and then seal it using droplets of the 50/50 mix. I only did a small bit like this and it was a pain. The droplets just sit on the surface so I’m thinking that I’m going to need a weaker mix? Did I read somewhere that adding a few molecules of washing up liquid breaks the surface tension?

I used a similar approach on the Table-Top Railway Mark III, as kindly recommended by @tutenkhamunsleeping (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=1490) .  Something to break the surface tension is pretty much essential as I found on the occasion when I forgot to add a drop of Waitrose 'Essentials' washing up liquid to the dilute PVA.  Horrid puddles!

Do you know the warm feeling of buying or building something for your layout and immediately thinking “Yes! Bang on. Dead right!” I did it recently with the purchase of a vehicle (one of the Oxford range). It only cost a few quid but it pleases me no end. A splendid model of an RTL bus in London Country green. Considering its size, super detailed radiator, number plates, advertisements and decals. Do you have any favourite little bits like this around your layout?

Yes, I certainly do!  Each time a little parcel with pretty stamps arrives from the Isle of Man.  Another Union Mills Locomotive.  Perfick!

And yes; my favourite little bits are the items that Forum Friends have so kindly given to me.

That motor omnibus looks the part.  Definitely helps to set the scene.

All best wishes.

John
Title: Re: Saxon Street : (R.O.A. layout)
Post by: Invicta Alec on May 15, 2019, 07:23:50 PM

And yes, a drop or two of washing up liquid does help.


David.

 :thankyousign:

Alec.
Title: Re: Saxon Street : (R.O.A. layout)
Post by: Invicta Alec on May 15, 2019, 07:38:08 PM

Something to break the surface tension is pretty much essential as I found on the occasion when I forgot to add a drop of Waitrose 'Essentials' washing up liquid to the dilute PVA.  Horrid puddles!
................
Each time a little parcel with pretty stamps arrives from the Isle of Man.  Another Union Mills Locomotive.  Perfick!
...............

John, thanks dear chap for the second vote on the dash of "Essentials".  :)
The thought of one of your shiny new Union Mills splashing through horrid puddles makes one shudder!

Mine were more like miniature golf ball blobs. A thinner mixture and a drop of Sainsburys el cheapo next time for me.

Alec.


Title: Re: Saxon Street : (R.O.A. layout)
Post by: Newportnobby on May 15, 2019, 09:29:43 PM
For hands that do ballasting and feel rough as a badgers botty, I'd recommend mild green Fairy liquid :D
Title: Re: Saxon Street : (R.O.A. layout)
Post by: Invicta Alec on May 24, 2019, 06:38:21 PM
Where I’m at.

My dear fellows, here are three photos attempting to show my progress so far.

This is the Saxon Street end of the layout. Plenty of detailing still required. People, letter boxes, lamp posts, belisha beacons etc. but the main work is to create a rough (raised) bit of terrain in the foreground area where the abandoned diesel tanks and old siding is.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/77/5868-240519174735-777492244.jpeg)

This middle section is to be nothing more than a country lane. Because mine is a flat roughly L shaped baseboard again I’m going to try to make the grassed areas either side of the road a bit lumpy/raised. To that end I’ve purchased one of those plaster bandage thingys and with no real clue how to do it, its a job I’ll no doubt avoid until the very last! Scary scenery as a good chum on here would say. I will probably have to purchase a few hundred trees in an effort to cover up my ‘er….. efforts!

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/77/5868-240519174735-777481379.jpeg)

The Farningham Central section remains a bit of a blank canvas. As reported recently I’ve done a good deal of the ballasting of the Cotton Hill storage yard which needs to be fenced off with the obligatory scattering of weeds to make it look a bit less pristine. In the last day or two some yard lamps have made an appearance.
The station buildings were carefully taken up from my old layout and are enjoying a new lease of life sitting on differently shaped platforms. The remaining exposed area of white foam board has nothing except the block of flats planned. I wanted to make any buildings at this end of the layout just a little bit more modern than the Saxon Street end with its old terraced housing. Its a shame that Metcalfe no longer produce their 1930s semis.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/77/5868-240519174733-77745405.jpeg)

Electrikery is a weak point for me (and a good few others on this forum I think) but I found the yard lamps at a toy fair a few months back. It seems that LED is the accepted norm now but these old grain of wheat (?) bulbs don’t look too bad. The kits were marked 12/15v and I had a little cheapy Maplin’s power supply that has half a dozen settings on it. Too bright at 12v but they look okay to me on the 9v setting. I’m assuming that I am doing nothing wrong by under powering them?

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/77/5868-240519174734-777452436.jpeg)


Cheery bye old things!

Alec.
Title: Re: Saxon Street : (R.O.A. layout)
Post by: crewearpley40 on May 24, 2019, 06:45:48 PM
Looking good. Thank you for sharing
Title: Re: Saxon Street : (R.O.A. layout)
Post by: dannyboy on May 24, 2019, 06:47:09 PM
@Invicta Alec (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=5868)
No problem putting 9v through a 12v lamp, it might even make them last longer. Some of my 12v lamps run on 9v. Regarding using plaster bandage - I have found it to be very therapeutic, (I did a bit more on 'Averingcliffe' the other day), but, boy, it can be messy! I learnt from my first plaster bandaging and this time I covered all the track in the area with masking tape and newspaper! What you have done so far is looking pretty good.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Saxon Street : (R.O.A. layout)
Post by: ntpntpntp on May 24, 2019, 07:21:44 PM
Happy to pop round and assist you with plaster bandage scenery making Alec :-)   I find the trick is to use small strips/pieces not large lengths.
Title: Re: Saxon Street : (R.O.A. layout)
Post by: Paddy on May 24, 2019, 07:23:45 PM
Lovely layout - looking really professional.

Paddy
Title: Re: Saxon Street : (R.O.A. layout)
Post by: Train Waiting on May 24, 2019, 07:33:58 PM
Cor blimey my son!

What a bobby dazzler of a layout.  I'm so green with envy that Poppy is calling me Emerald.  It's all so neat 'n' tidy and nicely finished.

Don't you worry about 9V on a 12/15V bulb.  It'll be jolly-dee and tickety-boo and last forever.  And probably have a realistic yellow look as well.  It's 15V on a 9V bulb that you need to worry about.

Thank you for these spiffing pictures.

Toodle-oo.

John and Poppy.

Title: Re: Saxon Street : (R.O.A. layout)
Post by: Invicta Alec on May 24, 2019, 08:56:23 PM
@Invicta Alec (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=5868)
 Regarding using plaster bandage - I have found it to be very therapeutic, (I did a bit more on 'Averingcliffe' the other day), but, boy, it can be messy!

Thanks David.
I have a cunning plan to avoid any mess. I shall however keep my method secret until I prove that it works.
If it doesn't then I'm gonna keep schtum.  ::)

Cor blimey my son!

What a bobby dazzler of a layout.  I'm so green with envy that Poppy is calling me Emerald.  It's all so neat 'n' tidy and nicely finished.

John and Poppy.


I've taken a leaf out of your book my old son! I had applied for the position of assistant litter picker-up in Poppingham. I was told "We don't 'ave any rubbish round these parts mate".  :no:

Lovely layout - looking really professional.

Paddy


Thanks very much Paddy. Some of the bits I've redone three or four times don't look too bad  :D

Happy to pop round and assist you with plaster bandage scenery making Alec :-)

Thanks Nick. When you do come can you bring with you that clever gizmo that diagnoses exactly why Graham Farish class 411 EMUs suddenly stop working and fry their decoders please?  :dunce:

 :thankyousign: All.

Alec.
Title: Re: Saxon Street : (R.O.A. layout)
Post by: dannyboy on May 24, 2019, 09:36:59 PM
@Invicta Alec (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=5868)
 Regarding using plaster bandage - I have found it to be very therapeutic, (I did a bit more on 'Averingcliffe' the other day), but, boy, it can be messy!

Thanks David.
I have a cunning plan to avoid any mess.

I think you will need more water than that.  ;)
Title: Re: Saxon Street : (R.O.A. layout)
Post by: Invicta Alec on June 04, 2019, 07:54:24 PM
Modern times

I’m a fan of card models, particularly those of Messrs. Metcalfe. A criticism would be that their range does lack a bit of modernity. I’ve nearly completed the Saxon Street end of my layout using their excellent old terraced houses, pub and corner shops. I wanted the Farningham end to be a little bit more modern and unfortunately Metcalfe no longer offer the wonderful mid 1930s semi detached houses.
I’ve found these 1970s semis from Kingsway models. With apologies for the substandard photo, I think they’ve come out fairly well.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/78/5868-040619184802-781182199.jpeg)

Unlike Metcalfe’s offerings the pieces are not pre-cut, neither do they offer acetate glazing. Some parts were on a sheet that really was a bit too thin. I added better barge boards and soffits and a few little strengtheners here and there. What Kingsway have got right are the various colourings and at £8 for three pairs its hard to complain.

Carry on chaps.

Alec.
Title: Re: Saxon Street : (R.O.A. layout)
Post by: port perran on June 04, 2019, 08:02:52 PM
They look really good Alec.
Title: Re: Saxon Street : (R.O.A. layout)
Post by: Train Waiting on June 04, 2019, 08:23:41 PM
They look really good Alec.

Seconded.  Well worth all that additional work.

Just needs a Vauxhall 'Viva' in one of the driveways!

I hadn't heard of Kingsway models and will now try to find out more.

Best wishes.

John
Title: Re: Saxon Street : (R.O.A. layout)
Post by: Invicta Alec on June 04, 2019, 09:15:24 PM
They look really good Alec.

Seconded.  Well worth all that additional work.

Just needs a Vauxhall 'Viva' in one of the driveways!


Thank you John.
I agree with you entirely, a nice HB or HC Viva would be an exact match for these. I spent the remainder of the afternoon drawing coloured pencil lines marking out the proposed lawns and driveway areas. Can't come up with a Viva but I've got a couple of Mark III Cortinas  :)

 :beers: Cheers old fruit!

Alec.
 
Title: Re: Saxon Street : (R.O.A. layout)
Post by: cornish yorkie on June 04, 2019, 09:40:58 PM
 :hellosign: :greatpicturessign:
     Looking really splendid Alec,  :thumbsup: & yes I reckon a Mk 111 cortina would fit the bill nicely
      regards Derek.
Title: Re: Saxon Street : (R.O.A. layout)
Post by: crewearpley40 on June 04, 2019, 09:46:44 PM
HI these 1970s semis from Kingsway LOOK professional

were they easy to construct ?
Title: Re: Saxon Street : (R.O.A. layout)
Post by: Invicta Alec on June 04, 2019, 10:33:27 PM
HI these 1970s semis from Kingsway LOOK professional

were they easy to construct ?

Yes, easy to build but I'd say two things to bear in mind.....

1. The main reason for them being cheap is that the pieces are not pre-cut. The kits will make up well enough provided you cut out accurately.
2. Be prepared to stiffen up the garage fronts with some extra card as they are printed on a very thin sheet.

Alec.
Title: Re: Saxon Street : (R.O.A. layout)
Post by: crewearpley40 on June 04, 2019, 10:42:34 PM
ok thank you,something for me to bear in mind.they looked very retro and something different actually based on london properties.thank you for mentioning these in the first place
Title: Re: Saxon Street : (R.O.A. layout)
Post by: ntpntpntp on June 05, 2019, 08:55:04 AM
By the look of those, you could be driving down through Golden Valley to Sandgate :D  (meaningful to us locals)
Title: Re: Saxon Street : (R.O.A. layout)
Post by: Train Waiting on June 06, 2019, 09:17:40 PM
They look really good Alec.

Seconded.  Well worth all that additional work.

Just needs a Vauxhall 'Viva' in one of the driveways!


Thank you John.
I agree with you entirely, a nice HB or HC Viva would be an exact match for these. I spent the remainder of the afternoon drawing coloured pencil lines marking out the proposed lawns and driveway areas. Can't come up with a Viva but I've got a couple of Mark III Cortinas  :)

 :beers: Cheers old fruit!

Alec.
 

Wotcher Alec,

On second thoughts I think you need something much better than a Viva or Cortina (I had both and they were well dodgy motors) for the driveway of one of your spiffing houses.  Perhaps the house that you have allocated to your 1:148 self.

How about a roller?



(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/78/6222-060619211421.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=78189)

There's something a bit familiar about the front of that roller... I can't quite think what it is!

Toodle-oo.

John
Title: Re: Saxon Street : (R.O.A. layout)
Post by: keithbythe sea on June 06, 2019, 09:37:26 PM
Hi Alec just discovered your thread.

Lookin right proper mate. Sterlin job guv.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Saxon Street : (R.O.A. layout)
Post by: Invicta Alec on June 06, 2019, 11:12:36 PM
Hi Alec just discovered your thread.

Lookin right proper mate. Sterlin job guv.  :thumbsup:

Thanks me old mucker.
Welcome to my Saxon Street thread Keith.
I'm having a lot of fun (and spending a lot of money) in the making of this Rule No.1 layout.

There are some splendid fellows who regularly comment and add to the feeling of camaraderie of this forum. All hints and tips gratefully received.

Alec.
Title: Re: Saxon Street : (R.O.A. layout)
Post by: Invicta Alec on June 06, 2019, 11:28:36 PM
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/78/6222-060619211421.jpeg)

@Train Waiting (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=6222)

A fine specimen indeed John! That splendid Invicta motif looks like its been polished especially for the day. If I'm not mistaken she's a long way from home, Derby number plate I think.
I could have done with her down here in Kent today as the lawns and driveways to the house fronts needed flattening.
My foreman Willy Eckerslike and his crew finished in the fading light leaving me no time to take any photos. Fear not, I'll be up with the larks tomorrow. Watch this space!

Alec.
Title: Re: Saxon Street : (R.O.A. layout)
Post by: Train Waiting on June 07, 2019, 09:15:55 AM
Many thanks, Alec.  Yes, a fair distance from Kent.  Toddington on the GWSR.

Best wishes.

John
Title: Re: Saxon Street : (R.O.A. layout)
Post by: Invicta Alec on June 18, 2019, 03:25:04 PM
All quiet on the Western front?

Good afternoon fellow nostalgia modelling virtuosos.

There has been much excitement down at Saxon Street these last 24 hours. An absolutely corking new locomotive has just arrived and I’m in need of suggestions from my valued colleagues. As you can see from the photos I’ve taken the plunge and treated myself to a class 52, otherwise known as a Western. Had my eyes on one of these for ages for no other reason that it looks simply spiffing. I won her in an auction at a penny pinching price and she appears to be virtually unused. I stuck one of those well regarded Zimo decoders in her, a drip of oil and off she took for a one hour running in session. Its a treat to watch her at speed step 1 of 128. Its difficult to see that she is actually moving and all the while with not a hint of a jitter. Fingers crossed that it continues that way.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/78/5868-180619143416-786372412.jpeg)

Isn’t she just beautiful?

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/78/5868-180619143416-786372317.jpeg)

I’m hoping for suggestions, particularly from you GWR experts as to what coaches will look grand being pulled along by her. Reading up on class 52 history, my thoughts currently are chocolate and cream mark 1’s? What do you think?

The 1970’s row of semis have just had their front gardens laid to lawn and the fencing contractor has almost finished enclosing their rear gardens with panel fences.  That rascally fellow Willie Eckerslike has just moved into No.2 showing off his shiny new Cortina mark III. To the neighbours dismay he’s fitted it with a cucaracha horn. There will be trouble if he starts blasting out in the wee small hours.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/78/5868-180619143418-786392470.jpeg)

Just a little way down the road are the Upper Crust mansions. Just a little detailing to finish on the roofs and I intend to set them back from the station opposite, separating them with a grassed/tree lined area. This is the second of the Kingsways models I purchased recently. Like the first ones (the semis) I felt little reinforcements were needed here and there. The instructions are sketchy which could lead to mistakes and are not on the same quality level as Metcalfe card kits for example. The important thing though is the finished appearance. I’m undecided whether to retain this building or not.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/78/5868-180619143403-786271302.jpeg)

Happy modelling chaps.

Alec.
Title: Re: Saxon Street : (R.O.A. layout)
Post by: Newportnobby on June 18, 2019, 03:43:04 PM

I’m hoping for suggestions, particularly from you GWR experts as to what coaches will look grand being pulled along by her. Reading up on class 52 history, my thoughts currently are chocolate and cream mark 1’s? What do you think?


Not entirely sure of my facts but I believe maroon with small yellow panels were introduced in 1962 by which time I reckon the Choc & Cream livery had gone apart from maybe a rake kept for specials :hmmm:
I like mine with a rake of MK1s in maroon :)
Title: Re: Saxon Street : (R.O.A. layout)
Post by: crewearpley40 on June 18, 2019, 03:56:14 PM
for me a rake of matching maroon mk1s

and i agree with mick !! maybe an odd blue / grey mk 1 maybe stretching rule !
Title: Re: Saxon Street : (R.O.A. layout)
Post by: Train Waiting on June 18, 2019, 09:05:55 PM
Blimey!  The last thing the people at Nos. 1 and 3 want is that blooming Cortina next door!

With regard to the 'D1000', chocolate and cream coaches were getting rarer by the time of this locomotive being in service.  When Stanley Raymond went to the Western, he was instrumental in the deliberate splitting up of the sets of chocolate and cream coaches that were used on the crack trains.  I think BR maroon carriages would be just the thing, with blue and grey fast appearing from 1966.

Great photographs; thank you.

Best wishes.

John
Title: Re: Saxon Street : (R.O.A. layout)
Post by: Invicta Alec on June 18, 2019, 09:47:33 PM

.........maroon carriages would be just the thing, with blue and grey fast appearing from 1966.


Thanks John.
Further investigation reveals that D1065 Western Consort was delivered into service this very day in 1963 and scrapped in August 1977. That being the case, I wouldn't be wrong in running mark 1s in either of the liveries you've suggested? Or even a mixture of both !?

Alec.

Title: Re: Saxon Street : (R.O.A. layout)
Post by: Train Waiting on June 19, 2019, 08:15:11 AM
You certainly would not be wrong, Alec; you'd be spot-on.  Here's some evidence of 'D1000' locomotives in this livery with trains of different colours:

https://i.pinimg.com/736x/8f/91/38/8f9138f5d38d07792fcdf2ffb9a26e17--british-rail-diesel.jpg

https://i.pinimg.com/736x/3e/ab/a8/3eaba81e3da7370581e30e5b2ffc1d67--diesel-locomotive-train-art.jpg

Mixed maroon and blue/grey formations were very common in the 1966/1969 period.  By the time a young me was taking an interest in trains in 1970; maroon carriages were very unusual in my part of the world (SW Scotland).

I might add to this reply if I find more of interest.

I did:

https://railphotoprints.uk/p274090425/h35A67AA9#h35a67aa9

I also had a rummage in the library and it appears that D1065 went straight from your livery into blue with full yellow ends in July, 1967.  That was a time of many mixed formation trains. 

Best wishes.

John

Title: Re: Saxon Street : (R.O.A. layout)
Post by: Invicta Alec on June 19, 2019, 12:07:06 PM
@Train Waiting (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=6222) ,

John, my dear fellow, I am so grateful to you for the links you provided in your last post. What a fantastic resource is the Rail Photoprints site. To see an actual photo of loco D1065 and what she's hauling settles all arguments.

I went on to checkout my all time favourite train the class 411 and was thrilled to find some splendid examples in various liveries and what's more, some taken in my home county. A 411 at the old Dover Marine station a highlight!

Thank you once again. Let me know if you ever step out of a train in Kent and I'll meet you and buy you a pint!

Cheers!

Alec.
Title: Re: Saxon Street : (R.O.A. layout)
Post by: crewearpley40 on June 19, 2019, 12:18:06 PM
I have a copy of judge's power of the westerns good colour photos. Try library too or the net. Oxford publishing company
Title: Re: Saxon Street : (R.O.A. layout)
Post by: ntpntpntp on June 19, 2019, 12:27:21 PM
Look forward to meeting your Western in the flesh at some point Alec  :D   They are one of my favourite British diesels,  I do fancy getting one for the British fleet.

I remember getting all excited back in the early 80s when Lima catalogues suggested they were going to do a Western in N, but it was only ever a photo mock-up of the OO model  (I have one of those!)   Let's face it, it would have been their rubbish mechanism anyway. 
Title: Re: Saxon Street : (R.O.A. layout)
Post by: Train Waiting on June 19, 2019, 08:59:10 PM
… Let me know if you ever step out of a train in Kent and I'll meet you and buy you a pint!
Cheers!
Alec.

Super-duper, old thing.  A supremely spiffing wheeze.  As you know, I like few things more than a steamy mini-break, so I'll hopefully step out of a train at Tenderden or Hythe (although squeeze rather than step in the latter instance).  Finest foaming ale for me, please!
 :pint: :pint:

Chin-chin!

Tickety-tonk.

John

PS Glad the stuff about 'D1000's was helpful.
Title: Re: Saxon Street : (R.O.A. layout)
Post by: ntpntpntp on June 19, 2019, 09:09:00 PM
... I'll hopefully step out of a train at Tenderden or Hythe (although squeeze rather than step in the latter instance)

Ah yes, a proper railway!  Not far from Alec and I.  Fond memories of summers jobs on "The Romney" back in the late 70s & early 80s before adulthood and real work took over.
(https://www.rhdr.org.uk/images/rhdr_content_vacancies.jpg)
Title: Re: Saxon Street : (R.O.A. layout)
Post by: Invicta Alec on June 19, 2019, 10:37:36 PM
@Train Waiting (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=6222) , @ntpntpntp (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=5885)

Funny how the conversation turned towards the RH&DR as earlier today I took this photo.......

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/78/5868-190619223302-786401715.jpeg)

I didn't actually go to Dymchurch today but I was able to grab this photo as I'm a subscriber to Railcam.UK currently.

Alec.
Title: Re: Saxon Street : (R.O.A. layout)
Post by: ntpntpntp on June 19, 2019, 10:46:39 PM
Funny how the conversation turned towards the RH&DR as earlier today I took this photo.......

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/78/5868-190619223302-786401715.jpeg)

Ah yes, Dymchurch was my main outpost back in the day, although I did work at the other stations on occasions, ran the model exhibition in New Romney, or travelled as a guard up and down the line.  Happy days!

Amazing the number of people who used to turn up at Dymchurch station and ask "Does it just go round the field?"  "Er no,  it runs for 26 miles and will take you 3 hours to do the round trip from here"  :D
Title: Re: Saxon Street : (R.O.A. layout)
Post by: Train Waiting on June 20, 2019, 08:14:47 AM
What a splendid picture Alec; thank you very much.  That looks like the mighty Samson at the other platform.  Maybe Nick will kindly correct me if this is a case of mistaken identity.
Many thanks for the anecdotes about the RH&DR, Nick.  You were indeed fortunate to have such a close encounter with this most fascinating of railways.

Best wishes.

John
Title: Re: Saxon Street : (R.O.A. layout)
Post by: ntpntpntp on June 20, 2019, 10:10:51 AM
That looks like the mighty Samson at the other platform.  Maybe Nick will kindly correct me if this is a case of mistaken identity.

Can't really see enough to be sure, can't always trust the colours on photos and PC monitors but it seems to be dark blue (maybe darker than Hurricane?) so I'd say you're probably correct. Samson was always black in my days on the railway of course.  If there were enough showing to verify presence or absence of smoke deflectors that would have helped distinguish between the two blue beasts.

I think the main reason I allowed myself a Farish "Tornado" (despite running German stuff in N these days) is because it reminds me of the Romney locos  :D  I don't have anything resembling "Black Prince" though.
Title: Re: Saxon Street : (R.O.A. layout)
Post by: Invicta Alec on June 25, 2019, 04:32:56 PM
My 411 saga

For the duration of my last two years at school I travelled daily from our curiously named local station “Bat & Ball”. I kid you not. Its the next stop up the line from Sevenoaks. Seven stops later I’d alight and take the bus the last mile to Bromley Grammar School. Very often the train would be a magnificent class 411 4CEP. Ok they were painted green in those days but as British Rail’s longest serving EMUs they managed 49 years of service with the last one withdrawn from traffic in 2005.
Early in 2017 when I was debating whether to make a return to the hobby I happened upon a picture of Graham Farish’s offering. I had to have one and scoured the country before meeting with success.

It was however a proverbial bag of nails and to cut a long story short, the retailer eventually gave me a complete refund. A month or two later I found a second hand unit. It failed around the time I was dismantling my old layout in preparation for the building of Saxon Street.
It has laid in in box unloved for absolutely yonks.

But now, drum roll ……………………..

Appearing from out of the mist …………

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/78/5868-250619154434-788191136.jpeg)

Here she is passing an undeveloped corner of my new layout. When I think “train” this is what my mind conjoures up. 411 in blue/grey. Simply spiffing!!

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/78/5868-250619154434-788191314.jpeg)

I am indebted to my buddy Nick @ntpntpntp (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=5885) for taking her to microscopic bits and fitting a brand new motor for me. Not doing things by halves she had also blown a decoder up. I really am hoping for a change of fortune with 411s. Fingers crossed.

I’ll leave you with a final picture of her approaching the sleepy branch line station Cotton Hill, to pick up a handful of passengers as she did for me in her green paint in 1964.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/78/5868-250619154436-788261159.jpeg)
 
Alec.
Title: Re: Saxon Street : (R.O.A. layout)
Post by: crewearpley40 on June 25, 2019, 04:37:39 PM
Alec. Looking seriously good. Chris
Title: Re: Saxon Street : (R.O.A. layout)
Post by: Train Waiting on June 25, 2019, 07:47:04 PM
Thank you for these spiffing pictures, Alec.  The Southern and BR(S) EMUs are most certainly distinctive trains.  I'm glad that, thanks to Nick, you have a tickety-boo 4CEP.  Better for the good folk of Saxon Street to travel in than a 2NOL, especially after a few 'swift 'alfs'!

And... I've been to Bat & Ball!  Summer 1972.  Holiday in Dartford at Great Uncle Bill's place.  We went by train from Kilmarnock.  During the holiday, we travelled up to Town from Dartford on a few days to look at the 'sights'.  I was appointed Navigator Leader because of my interest in trains and there being three routes to Dartford.  One afternoon, it all went 'orribly wrong and we ended up on the wrong train.  Dad took charge at Bat & Ball and we bailed out and (eventually) got to Dartford.  Great Aunt Kath was very understanding about the state our dinner was in when we arrived at Windsor Drive.  Great Uncle Bill laughed.  He laughed a lot.  He had been an Ayrshire coal miner until the day the roof fell in. 

We even went to the Bluebell Railway by train, which involved a long walk.  I still have the tickets.  I was a 'Child'.  But the steam bug had infected me and, getting on for 50 years later, it still has!

Thank you for stirring this vivid memory.

Pip-pip.

J
Title: Re: Saxon Street : (R.O.A. layout)
Post by: Invicta Alec on June 25, 2019, 09:27:46 PM

And... I've been to Bat & Ball!  Summer 1972.  Holiday in Dartford at Great Uncle Bill's place.  We went by train from Kilmarnock. 


John,
I'm so pleased on all sorts of levels with your reply. There can't be too many folk who've walked the platforms of Bat & Ball. Great Uncle Bill sounds just like the sort of chap I'd get along with.
Kilmarnock of course is a complete unknown to us southerners except for seeing it written on Littlewoods or Vernons pools coupons!

As for stirring vivid memories, isn't that a very important part of our hobby!? In 1964 the station master at Bat & Ball was a wonderful Irish fellow who everyone called Paddy. He took great pride in the station and during the winters without fail there would always be a roaring coal fire in the waiting room in the booking hall. Paddy would put his head around the door and advise us at the very last second to quickly dash over the footbridge to platform 2 for the up train. No standing in the cold for us.  :)

The picture is from 1962.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/78/5868-250619213130-788271968.jpeg)

All the best.

Alec.
 
Title: Re: Saxon Street : (R.O.A. layout)
Post by: railsquid on June 26, 2019, 03:33:19 PM
My 411 saga

For the duration of my last two years at school I travelled daily from our curiously named local station “Bat & Ball”. I kid you not.

Definitely not kidding, some time in 1991 I left the UK by train and ferry (never to return apart from short visits, though I didn't know it at the time) and part of the journey involved one of those self-propelling rakes of Mk1 stock the Southern Region seems so fond of running between Victoria and a cavernous shed next to the ferries at Dover, and I was bemused to see "Bat & Ball" fly past on a station sign, and for years afterwards I occasionally wondered whether my mind had been playing tricks on me.
Title: Re: Saxon Street : (R.O.A. layout)
Post by: Invicta Alec on June 26, 2019, 06:34:51 PM
My 411 saga

For the duration of my last two years at school I travelled daily from our curiously named local station “Bat & Ball”. I kid you not.


Definitely not kidding, some time in 1991 I left the UK by train and ferry (never to return apart from short visits, though I didn't know it at the time) and part of the journey involved one of those self-propelling rakes of Mk1 stock the Southern Region seems so fond of running between Victoria and a cavernous shed next to the ferries at Dover, and I was bemused to see "Bat & Ball" fly past on a station sign, and for years afterwards I occasionally wondered whether my mind had been playing tricks on me.


Hahaha.....thank you for your post @railsquid (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=3832) . Here's a lovely photo from Disused Stations dot org of the aforementioned cavernous shed aka Dover Marine/Western Docks giving shelter to a self propelling rake of Mark 1s  :) aka class 411. Taken just three years earlier than your UK exit.

http://www.disused-stations.org.uk/d/dover_western_docks/index19.shtml (http://www.disused-stations.org.uk/d/dover_western_docks/index19.shtml)

The first time I saw "Bat & Ball" on the station totem I laughed out loud. We were young lads taking the train for a days fishing. Never dreamt I'd end up living nearby and it would become my home station.

Alec.

Title: Re: Saxon Street : (R.O.A. layout)
Post by: Invicta Alec on July 10, 2019, 04:54:58 PM
Delaying tactics

In the time honoured fashion of the very best procrastinators yours truly has been dragging his heels in a desperate attempt to avoid some pretty scary scenery that really MUST be done soon.

I bought an impossibly cheap (£15'ish) micro digital video recorder from some Chinese gentlemen who were purveying their wares on a well known interweb site. I did it with the very best of intentions. I thought it might be nice for all my N scale chums to have a little worms eye view of Saxon Street and surroundings.

Those of you who are eagle eyed enough will notice a gap in the video from when my little Dapol class 22 rolls into platform 3 at Farningham Central and its exit 0.003 of a second later. Now I could lie about it and claim it was just an edit, but in truth the little camera which was only balanced on one of the trucks got knocked off by the platform canopy :-[

I had the train terminate at platform 2 at Saxon Street since doing a complete lap of the layout would involve going through the tunnel which isn't wide enough at one end for the camera anyway.  :worried:

Anyway, I thought it would be a bit of fun. £15 is about what its worth quality wise IMO.



Yes, I'm also aware that my 121 bubble car has a broken exhaust!

Alec.
Title: Re: Saxon Street : (R.O.A. layout)
Post by: cornish yorkie on July 10, 2019, 05:41:06 PM
 :hellosign: Superb video Alec,  :thumbsup: thanks for sharing.
     regards Derek
Title: Re: Saxon Street : (R.O.A. layout)
Post by: ntpntpntp on July 10, 2019, 05:46:46 PM
Good running speed on the vid Alec. The low angle makes the layout look bigger too.

Pleased to see the beer delivery is well on its way from Königshafen to Saxon St  :D
Title: Re: Saxon Street : (R.O.A. layout)
Post by: Invicta Alec on July 10, 2019, 05:54:09 PM

Pleased to see the beer delivery is well on its way from Königshafen to Saxon St  :D

Cheers Nick! I thought you'd notice your beer wagon leading the way. The camera was balanced on another of your wagons at the other end. The Dapol easi-shunts seem to be working  :)

Alec.
Title: Re: Saxon Street : (R.O.A. layout)
Post by: Train Waiting on July 10, 2019, 07:13:02 PM
What-ho, Alec

Thank you so much for an absolutely fabulous piece of cinematography.  Clearly, you will be the Perpetual Winner of the Tidiest Train Room Awards.  And the layout looks simply spiffing.  SpifferifferooTM, in fact.

Just one little point, though.  There are many wonderful views of on-screen talent in the film.  But he appears not to be wearing a tie.  I always imagined Saxon Street to be a 'tie and jacket' layout.  Possibly a kipper tie of the DI Jack Regan variety.

Cheers, Guv.

John
Title: Re: Saxon Street : (R.O.A. layout)
Post by: Invicta Alec on July 10, 2019, 08:04:24 PM

Possibly a kipper tie of the DI Jack Regan variety.

John

A kipper tie? The only kipper tie* we 'ave round these parts is wot Elsie flogs down the cafe.

General Note 1: *  You'll understand this comment ONLY if you say it in a broad Brummie accent.

General Note 2: For those that DO understand......I'll get my coat.  :laugh:

Alec.




Title: Re: Saxon Street : (R.O.A. layout)
Post by: Newportnobby on July 10, 2019, 10:02:23 PM
A most enjoyable short feature, including even the casually dressed cameo appearances ;D
Title: Re: Saxon Street : (R.O.A. layout)
Post by: railsquid on July 11, 2019, 02:45:41 AM
Delaying tactics

In the time honoured fashion of the very best procrastinators yours truly has been dragging his heels in a desperate attempt to avoid some pretty scary scenery that really MUST be done soon.

I bought an impossibly cheap (£15'ish) micro digital video recorder from some Chinese gentlemen who were purveying their wares on a well known interweb site. I did it with the very best of intentions. I thought it might be nice for all my N scale chums to have a little worms eye view of Saxon Street and surroundings.

If it is not too much of an imposition, could you reveal the identity of said minuscule recording device? It seems to have a much better quality picture than the one I acquired some years back, also acquired from the Middle Kingdom through this new-fangled internetworking thingummyjig.
Title: Re: Saxon Street : (R.O.A. layout)
Post by: Bealman on July 11, 2019, 02:57:59 AM
Just spotted this! Cool vid!!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Saxon Street : (R.O.A. layout)
Post by: keithbythe sea on July 11, 2019, 07:46:28 AM
 :greatpicturessign: Alec. The picture quality seems to far exceed the quality of the camera itself from what you describe.

You have a lot of un-developed real estate. Plenty of ‘ard graft still to do.

Bromley grammar boy eh? I went to Beckenham & Penge Grammar (which changed to Langley Park). Vividly remember a great cricket victory we had over you guys.... :D
Title: Re: Saxon Street : (R.O.A. layout)
Post by: Invicta Alec on July 11, 2019, 01:12:27 PM
Delaying tactics

In the time honoured fashion of the very best procrastinators yours truly has been dragging his heels in a desperate attempt to avoid some pretty scary scenery that really MUST be done soon.

I bought an impossibly cheap (£15'ish) micro digital video recorder from some Chinese gentlemen who were purveying their wares on a well known interweb site. I did it with the very best of intentions. I thought it might be nice for all my N scale chums to have a little worms eye view of Saxon Street and surroundings.

If it is not too much of an imposition, could you reveal the identity of said minuscule recording device?.............

Its an SQ13 by Quelima. Tons of info/reviews on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ewavFTgE-g (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ewavFTgE-g)

Alec.

Title: Re: Saxon Street : (R.O.A. layout)
Post by: Invicta Alec on July 11, 2019, 01:38:18 PM
:greatpicturessign: Alec. The picture quality seems to far exceed the quality of the camera itself from what you describe.

You have a lot of un-developed real estate. Plenty of ‘ard graft still to do.

Bromley grammar boy eh? I went to Beckenham & Penge Grammar (which changed to Langley Park). Vividly remember a great cricket victory we had over you guys.... :D

Hey Keith!
If you search Quelima SQ13 on YouTube, you'll find videos of people using it as a dash cam. It seems quite suited to that task. Its less than a 30mm cube so very neat but not too sharp on close up stuff. Just a bit of fun as far as I'm concerned. Being able to plonk it on a platform or a remote corner of the layout and obtain views that would be impossible otherwise is the aspect that intrigues me. Its supposed to be wireless and therefore in theory you can use a tablet or smartphone to get a live view, but I haven't managed to link mine up yet.

The undeveloped areas of the layout are entirely deliberate. I'm afraid of walking into the train room one morning to realise its all finished! What would I do then?  :worried: I'm glad to say that several other chaps on the forum take the same non-urgent view as me in regards to doing any actual graft  :)

Beckenham and Penge eh? Dunno about cricket but I recall your gaff was always a happy hunting ground for us goal scoring elite of the Bromley 1st XI. It was Roan and Tulse Hill schools that always battered us. Not surprising in the case of Tulse Hill it was huge. Had more than twice the number of kids to chose their teams from!

All the best.

Alec.
 



Title: Re: Saxon Street : (R.O.A. layout)
Post by: keithbythe sea on July 12, 2019, 07:06:34 AM
Ah, B & P didn’t play that yobs game when I first started there, a rugby, hockey cricket school only! Footy was introduced when we moved to new buildings (conveniently situated next door to the girls school) and the new PE master was an FA coach.

I fully subscribe to the slow and steady progress approach, lots of thinking and considering time.  :)  :beers: