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Title: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on October 06, 2018, 08:48:48 AM
Hi all,

Rather than keep posting new threads, I thought I'd just keep updating this thread as my layout progresses.

Proposed scenario: a present day scene in a small town in a hilly part of central/southern Germany, focused around the newly built station on the outskirts. There will be a mix of countryside and town elements. Being a local travel hub, the station has a decent sized bus station adjacent. There will probably be an abandoned signal box from a previous phase of the station's history. After leaving the station, the line enters a short ICE-style tunnel under the town's nearby hill. The station is accessed from a main road (Bahnhoffstrasse) which crosses the layout from left to right, crossing the tracks with bridges.

Track: dead simple, it's just two seperate loops. It's the first time I've done this, so I've a lot to learn! Ballast either grey or light brown. Raised on 2mm cork with shoulder.

Scenery: I want to make the tunnel portals, platforms, fir trees (I've already been busy making these - see pic :)) and deciduous trees by myself from scratch. Will probably use a mix of kits and scratch built for buildings, depending on how things go. I'd love to see some lighting, however that may need to be done as a phase 2 operation.

Measurements: the baseboard is 865mm x 1380mm (9mm ply braced underneath). It's going to be raised up to about 90cm on two pedestals on castors (see attached doodle).

Next thing on the 'to do' list is varnishing the baseboard underside. Not sure if I should do the top? Then I need to construct the pedestals. Wish me luck!  :wave:
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Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Bealman on October 06, 2018, 09:07:00 AM
Looking good!  :thumbsup:

Personally, I don't see any point in varnishing either side of the board, unless it's going on a boat!

Just watching trains going round is going to pall pretty quickly though. Some sidings are required to add interest.  :beers:
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: port perran on October 06, 2018, 09:09:59 AM
I’d paint the top surface.
I generally paint grey under the track and green/brown elsewhere. That way any gaps in ballasting won’t show and similarly any gaps in scenery (eg fields etc) won’t show through as bare wood.
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: daffy on October 06, 2018, 01:14:56 PM
You have a nice idea of what you want to acheive scenics wise, but like Bealman I have concerns about you sticking to just two unlinked track loops.
Of course it all depends on whether the scenics are more important to you than the running of trains, but my advice, for what it’s worth, would be to run trains on your current track set up for a while, perhaps placing some temporary scenics like tunnels, stations etc, and see if it holds your interest just to have two trains going round in never decreasing circles.

It would be sad if you built up all the finished quality scenics on the existing track plan only to find the layout of limited pleasure usage.

I’m short, think about ‘playability’. Crossovers, sidings, passing loops, raised track sections and all manner of other possibilities can make for an exciting and interesting layout that I don’t believe two single unconnected loops will have in the long term.

There any many fine small layouts illustrated throughout this forum that show the enormous possibilities. Look at many, take your time in planning, and enjoy the overall experience. And don’t forget to ask a million questions of the many here who have previously tried the path you are on and learnt by their mistakes and experience.

But whatever you build, remember that if you like it then that’s all that matters.

Best of luck with whatever you build, and I look forward to seeing your progress.

 :beers:
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: ntpntpntp on October 06, 2018, 02:23:14 PM
I'm inclined to agree with the comments that perhaps you will get more "fun" out of the end result if you consider just a little more than two separate ovals. Adding a siding or two or a small passing loop just gives you that little bit more to do.  Have a look at the track plan for Noch's "Staufen" preformed layout, a similar size to yours.   Yes it is a bit "train-set" style and uses small points and tight curves, but they've given it some operational interest.

https://media.noch.de/filestore/2/4/6/4_98dcc6132d211e2/2464_6b75ef366baf44a.pdf (https://media.noch.de/filestore/2/4/6/4_98dcc6132d211e2/2464_6b75ef366baf44a.pdf)

Regarding painting/varnishing the board:  don't bother varnishing the top,  better to leave a surface that willl take glue and paint better.  Consider painting the underside white, it makes it much easier to see and work with any wiring etc. 
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Newportnobby on October 06, 2018, 03:16:38 PM
I’m short

Aha - something else we learn about you, Mike :D
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: daffy on October 06, 2018, 03:45:24 PM
I’m short

Aha - something else we learn about you, Mike :D

Typos make the world a better place! :D
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on October 06, 2018, 05:09:10 PM
You have a nice idea of what you want to acheive scenics wise, but like Bealman I have concerns about you sticking to just two unlinked track loops.
Of course it all depends on whether the scenics are more important to you than the running of trains, but my advice, for what it’s worth, would be to run trains on your current track set up for a while, perhaps placing some temporary scenics like tunnels, stations etc, and see if it holds your interest just to have two trains going round in never decreasing circles.

It would be sad if you built up all the finished quality scenics on the existing track plan only to find the layout of limited pleasure usage.

I’m short, think about ‘playability’. Crossovers, sidings, passing loops, raised track sections and all manner of other possibilities can make for an exciting and interesting layout that I don’t believe two single unconnected loops will have in the long term.

There any many fine small layouts illustrated throughout this forum that show the enormous possibilities. Look at many, take your time in planning, and enjoy the overall experience. And don’t forget to ask a million questions of the many here who have previously tried the path you are on and learnt by their mistakes and experience.

But whatever you build, remember that if you like it then that’s all that matters.

Best of luck with whatever you build, and I look forward to seeing your progress.

 :beers:

I'm so glad I joined this forum! I agree I should set up basic elements and play for a while before gluing anything down. I like the suggested Noch layout, I might make some improvements based on that and similar plans. I love the problem solving aspect in the layout planning, really gets the grey matter activated like nothing else!  :hmmm:
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on October 06, 2018, 08:15:26 PM
I modified this concept from a Kato layout example - would this work? (I've already purchased the R3 and R3A curves, would prefer to use them).
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/69/7020-061018201513.png) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=69819)
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: ntpntpntp on October 06, 2018, 08:43:40 PM
Gradients might be a bit steep? 

On the right hand side you're basically expecting the gradient to rise from ground level at the start of the curve and be high enough to cross the other ground level track after little more than a semi circle of track.  What sort of length will that curve be - use a piece a string to roughly measure it, and assume you need to rise by a least 4cm. That will allow you to calculate the gradient. If it's getting more severe than say 1 in 30 then you may struggle. Also remember that a gradient on a curve makes matters worse in terms of drag that the loco will have to overcome.

The gradient on the left is likely to be similar, but the curve is tighter.

You have the curves and the loco, get some scraps of wood and mock up the gradient, see how it looks and how it performs?
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on October 07, 2018, 08:55:29 AM
Gradients might be a bit steep? 

On the right hand side you're basically expecting the gradient to rise from ground level at the start of the curve and be high enough to cross the other ground level track after little more than a semi circle of track.  What sort of length will that curve be - use a piece a string to roughly measure it, and assume you need to rise by a least 4cm. That will allow you to calculate the gradient. If it's getting more severe than say 1 in 30 then you may struggle. Also remember that a gradient on a curve makes matters worse in terms of drag that the loco will have to overcome.

The gradient on the left is likely to be similar, but the curve is tighter.

You have the curves and the loco, get some scraps of wood and mock up the gradient, see how it looks and how it performs?

I hear you! Will ponder..... :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on October 07, 2018, 08:56:23 AM
Might play with this concept....
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/69/7020-071018085614.png) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=69834)
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Bealman on October 07, 2018, 09:19:48 AM
As suggested earlier, a passing loop is a good idea, as you can park a train there, while another one passes through.

Plus, you can have the locomotive run around it's train, couple at other end,  and head off in the other direction.

It's all about flexibility and not getting bored  :thumbsup: :beers:
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: port perran on October 07, 2018, 09:37:26 AM
I think I’d convert Siding 1 into a run round loop (for the reasons put forward by Bealman). Plus, I’d very simply add a 3rd siding coming off of Siding number 2. Perhaps the whole area around Sidings 2and 3 could become a goods yard.
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: swisstrains on October 07, 2018, 10:01:06 AM
Might play with this concept....
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I think you're getting somewhere now. :thumbsup: German trains normally run on the right but the addition of the crossover will enable you to have some bi-directional running to gain access to the bay platform at the station. Assuming that the other siding will be some kind of freight facility the crossover will give access from the normal running line (reverse in).When the freight train is shunting on the inner loop a passenger train (either an IC or a local from the bay platform) can be running on the outer loop. Just by adding a couple of sidings and a crossover you have created the potential for many operating scenarios.
As suggested by "port perran" another siding at the freight facility would be good but personally I wouldn't put a lot of importance on the runround loop at the moment as modern German trains tend to be either loco-hauled push/pull or units. In saying this I am assuming that your main interest lies in passenger operations and that the occasional freight working will just give a bit of added interest.
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on October 07, 2018, 02:08:34 PM
Thanks for the layout feedback Swisstrains and everbody! I think the scenario suggested with a goods area (which could also double as a passenger train storage/maintenance area) works nicely.

Is anybody out there very au-fait with the Fleischmann/Roco non-ballasted track system who can tell me if I've selected the correct points to purchase? I'd rather have 15 degree where possible for a smooth transition.

Cheers
Matt


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Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: swisstrains on October 07, 2018, 09:17:47 PM
Hi Matt.
I don't know a great deal about Fleischmann track but from what I gather the 22265 has a diverging radius of about 14.2" and the 22253 is only about 7.6" (Sorry to talk in inches.....it's an age thing  ;) )
Any reason why you have selected 22253 turnouts for the mainline crossover?  22265's would be more suited to a mainline crossover if you can fit them in.
On the real railway it is more beneficial for trains crossing between running lines to do so at a higher speed than they would if they were entering a dead-end siding.
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on October 07, 2018, 09:52:01 PM
Hi Matt.
I don't know a great deal about Fleischmann track but from what I gather the 22265 has a diverging radius of about 14.2" and the 22253 is only about 7.6" (Sorry to talk in inches.....it's an age thing  ;) )
Any reason why you have selected 22253 turnouts for the mainline crossover?  22265's would be more suited to a mainline crossover if you can fit them in.
On the real railway it is more beneficial for trains crossing between running lines to do so at a higher speed than they would if they were entering a dead-end siding.

Hi,

I agree with you, a shallow angle (i.e. the 22265's) would be better for the crossover. I'll check with Gaugemaster if they will fit neatly and use them instead.

Cheers
Matt
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Train Waiting on October 07, 2018, 10:28:00 PM
Hello Matt

I have a similar layout under construction; a double track main line.  Strangely enough, I don't have a crossover between the two running lines as, in a previous layout with one, I almost never used it!

Are you using DC or DCC control - sorry if you have mentioned this and I've not seen it?

If DC, unless you have several switched sections, your siding on the 'outer' main line won't give you an extra train.  It might be helpful to have a second siding, that way you can easily have two trains.  As suggested earlier, a loop will give the same advantage.

I hope you don't mind, but I've taken the liberty of including a picture showing my track layout just in case it helps.  There are five sidings which enables the layout to have five trains.  Of course, it is configured for British left-hand running.  For a German layout, it will be right-hand running I expect.  It certainly has been anywhere I have seen German railways.


Best wishes for your project.

John

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/69/6222-071018222247.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=69857)

AAAAAAArgh its so tidy!!!!!
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on October 08, 2018, 07:30:22 AM
Hello Matt

I have a similar layout under construction; a double track main line.  Strangely enough, I don't have a crossover between the two running lines as, in a previous layout with one, I almost never used it!

Are you using DC or DCC control - sorry if you have mentioned this and I've not seen it?

If DC, unless you have several switched sections, your siding on the 'outer' main line won't give you an extra train.  It might be helpful to have a second siding, that way you can easily have two trains.  As suggested earlier, a loop will give the same advantage.

I hope you don't mind, but I've taken the liberty of including a picture showing my track layout just in case it helps.  There are five sidings which enables the layout to have five trains.  Of course, it is configured for British left-hand running.  For a German layout, it will be right-hand running I expect.  It certainly has been anywhere I have seen German railways.


Best wishes for your project.

John

([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/69/6222-071018222247.jpeg[/url]) ([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=69857[/url])

AAAAAAArgh its so tidy!!!!!


Hi John,

Very nice layout, thanks for including the pic! Nice to see a similar project underway. Is yours DCC or DC? My idea was to start DC but to change to DCC in the future as I get more DCC locos. I assume I would need a crossover if I went DCC, otherwise the two main lines wouldn't talk to each other?

Cheers
Matt
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: ntpntpntp on October 08, 2018, 08:49:47 AM
I assume I would need a crossover if I went DCC, otherwise the two main lines wouldn't talk to each other?

Surely whether or not you have a crossover is an operational choice (how you want to run your trains on the layout), and applies equally to DC or DCC.         If you install one then it's there when you need it, and it adds a little more operational possibilities. Make sure you use isolating joiners between the two points, then you're all set for DC and it will also work fine for DCC.
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Train Waiting on October 08, 2018, 09:24:10 AM
Many thanks, Matt.

My layout is DC.  Nick has answered your crossover and DCC question much better than I could; thank you Nick.

Nick is correct about the crossover.  It opens up more operational possibilities.  From my own experience with a recent layout, I almost never took advantage of these possibilities, so I didn't install one on my present layout.  To date, I have not had an operating session where I have missed it.  But I tend to like to sit with coffee/tea/foaming ale/wine, according to the time of day, and watch the trains run round!

If in doubt, best to install a crossover and wait and see if you use it when you start operating the layout.

If starting with DC, an additional siding on the outside track (if possible on your baseboard) would be an easy way to have more fun!

All the very best.

John

AAAAAAArgh its so tidy!!!!!


Many thanks @Railwaygun (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=941) !  Best wishes, John.
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on October 08, 2018, 01:01:08 PM
I assume I would need a crossover if I went DCC, otherwise the two main lines wouldn't talk to each other?

Surely whether or not you have a crossover is an operational choice (how you want to run your trains on the layout), and applies equally to DC or DCC.         If you install one then it's there when you need it, and it adds a little more operational possibilities. Make sure you use isolating joiners between the two points, then you're all set for DC and it will also work fine for DCC.

Thank you ntpntpntp! Here's a question which really reveals my newcomer status: If I make the crossover isolated, won't that present a problem when and if I ever make the layout DCC? Would I need to lift the points and remove the isolating fishplates?

Cheers
Matt
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on October 08, 2018, 01:03:13 PM
Many thanks, Matt.

My layout is DC.  Nick has answered your crossover and DCC question much better than I could; thank you Nick.

Nick is correct about the crossover.  It opens up more operational possibilities.  From my own experience with a recent layout, I almost never took advantage of these possibilities, so I didn't install one on my present layout.  To date, I have not had an operating session where I have missed it.  But I tend to like to sit with coffee/tea/foaming ale/wine, according to the time of day, and watch the trains run round!

If in doubt, best to install a crossover and wait and see if you use it when you start operating the layout.

If starting with DC, an additional siding on the outside track (if possible on your baseboard) would be an easy way to have more fun!

All the very best.

John

AAAAAAArgh its so tidy!!!!!


Many thanks @Railwaygun ([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=941[/url]) !  Best wishes, John.


Cheers John, am I correct in thinking that with DC and one loop, you need 2 sidings to run two trains?  :hmmm:
Cheers Matt
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: ntpntpntp on October 08, 2018, 01:45:16 PM
Here's a question which really reveals my newcomer status: If I make the crossover isolated, won't that present a problem when and if I ever make the layout DCC? Would I need to lift the points and remove the isolating fishplates?

Not quite sure what would make you think that?   all the time your layout is DC you will have two circuits (inside and outside ovals), each with a pair of wires feeding from a controller.  With two controllers driving the trains in opposite directions, you need to isolate the two sides of the crossover to keep those two circuits separate.   When you wish to run through the crossover you set both controllers to the same speed and direction and the train will pass through quite happily from one to the other.

When you move to DCC all you do is simply join the wires for the two circuits together into a single pair at the DCC command station's output (making sure you match rail to rail). Both ovals are now powered by the same DCC. Leave the isolating joiners where they are, they will do no harm and indeed if you ever need to switch the trackwork back to DC - for example to test some new locos - the layout is still capable.
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: ntpntpntp on October 08, 2018, 01:56:21 PM

Cheers John, am I correct in thinking that with DC and one loop, you need 2 sidings to run two trains?  :hmmm:
Cheers Matt

Not wishing to jump in on your conversation with John, but basically if you don't want to be physically removing one train to run another one, you need somewhere to park the train(s) - typically one or more siding(s) which can be isolated from power.  A passing loop is another option.  It is possible, with careful driving and with locos having reasonably well matched speeds, to move both locos at the same time, drawing one train out of the siding while the other moves round the oval in front of it. You can then bring both trains round and then reverse the other train into the siding.   **VERY TRICKY ON A SMALL LAYOUT THOUGH!! **.  A better approach would be to have two sidings so that you can run one train in and isolate it before bringing the other one out onto the line.. 
 
Regarding isolating trains in sidings:  I have a feeling the Fleischmann points are not "power routing" unless you remove a little wire link (but I may be confusing with Minitrix points).   Without "power routing" both tracks remain electrically live regardless of which way the point is set. This can be overcome by having one rail of the siding isolated with a joiner, and feeding power to it via an on/off switch.  This is a very common approach on DC layouts.
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on October 08, 2018, 02:13:20 PM
Here's a question which really reveals my newcomer status: If I make the crossover isolated, won't that present a problem when and if I ever make the layout DCC? Would I need to lift the points and remove the isolating fishplates?

Not quite sure what would make you think that?   all the time your layout is DC you will have two circuits (inside and outside ovals), each with a pair of wires feeding from a controller.  With two controllers driving the trains in opposite directions, you need to isolate the two sides of the crossover to keep those two circuits separate.   When you wish to run through the crossover you set both controllers to the same speed and direction and the train will pass through quite happily from one to the other.

When you move to DCC all you do is simply join the wires for the two circuits together into a single pair at the DCC command station's output (making sure you match rail to rail). Both ovals are now powered by the same DCC. Leave the isolating joiners where they are, they will do no harm and indeed if you ever need to switch the trackwork back to DC - for example to test some new locos - the layout is still capable.

Perfect answer, yes I see now how that would work! Thank you for explaining so clearly.

Matt  :beers:
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on October 08, 2018, 02:14:57 PM

Cheers John, am I correct in thinking that with DC and one loop, you need 2 sidings to run two trains?  :hmmm:
Cheers Matt

Not wishing to jump in on your conversation with John, but basically if you don't want to be physically removing one train to run another one, you need somewhere to park the train(s) - typically one or more siding(s) which can be isolated from power.  A passing loop is another option.  It is possible, with careful driving and with locos having reasonably well matched speeds, to move both locos at the same time, drawing one train out of the siding while the other moves round the oval in front of it. You can then bring both trains round and then reverse the other train into the siding.   **VERY TRICKY ON A SMALL LAYOUT THOUGH!! **.  A better approach would be to have two sidings so that you can run one train in and isolate it before bringing the other one out onto the line.. 
 
Regarding isolating trains in sidings:  I have a feeling the Fleischmann points are not "power routing" unless you remove a little wire link (but I may be confusing with Minitrix points).   Without "power routing" both tracks remain electrically live regardless of which way the point is set. This can be overcome by having one rail of the siding isolated with a joiner, and feeding power to it via an on/off switch.  This is a very common approach on DC layouts.

That confirms what I was thinking. Thank you very much for the detailed input - will definitly save me agro in the long run!

Cheers
Matt :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Train Waiting on October 08, 2018, 04:49:20 PM

Cheers John, am I correct in thinking that with DC and one loop, you need 2 sidings to run two trains?  :hmmm:
Cheers Matt


Not wishing to jump in on your conversation with John, but basically if you don't want to be physically removing one train to run another one, you need somewhere to park the train(s) - typically one or more siding(s) which can be isolated from power.  A passing loop is another option.  It is possible, with careful driving and with locos having reasonably well matched speeds, to move both locos at the same time, drawing one train out of the siding while the other moves round the oval in front of it. You can then bring both trains round and then reverse the other train into the siding.   **VERY TRICKY ON A SMALL LAYOUT THOUGH!! **.  A better approach would be to have two sidings so that you can run one train in and isolate it before bringing the other one out onto the line..   


Hello Matt

I concur entirely with what Nick says.  With DC and one siding it's either lift on/off, try the matched speed manoeuvre or arrange the main running oval with three (or more) switched sections.  I actually did this on one layout (since abandoned), thinking it would be fun, but I soon tired of all the switching on and off.  A passing loop gives you two trains easily without reversing movements.  Two sidings give two trains, three sidings three trains and so on, but with reversing movements.

If you kindly look at the picture I posted earlier, the outside oval has capacity for two trains and the inside oval has capacity for three trains, although one is short.  This arrangement is working very well on a 'four by two-and-a-half' layout.  (Say, 1220mm x 760mm).

Here is a amazingly poor quality picture of the switch panel I used to provide three switched sections on a double-track oval.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/69/6222-081018164657.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=69888)

All the best.

John
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on October 08, 2018, 04:59:44 PM
Hi John,

I'm getting this now. I may even do what I've mocked-up here (with DC in mind), which I believe would give me 2 long trains on the outer loop and 1 long and 1 shorter train on the inner (using reversing of course). That's basically doubled the number of trains I thought I could have!  :claphappy:

Another question: how do you turn on and off isolated sidings? I imagine I'd need to make a switch panel like yours, John.

Matt
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Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Train Waiting on October 08, 2018, 07:11:57 PM
Hi John,

I'm getting this now. I may even do what I've mocked-up here (with DC in mind), which I believe would give me 2 long trains on the outer loop and 1 long and 1 shorter train on the inner (using reversing of course). That's basically doubled the number of trains I thought I could have!  :claphappy:

Another question: how do you turn on and off isolated sidings? I imagine I'd need to make a switch panel like yours, John.

Matt


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Hello Matt

That looks to be a very nice plan.  As your layout is to be set in Germany, I assume that the outer oval will run anti-clockwise and the inner oval clockwise.  That's the opposite to what you will see in British and French layouts.

If that's the case, I suggest that you make the inner oval sidings start at the right-hand side.  That way, trains running round the oval, while you enjoy watching them, will encounter the points in what is called the 'trailing direction'.  This is prototypical and will probably give better running and fewer derailments at the points.  You will also drive out of sidings and reverse in on both ovals.

There is another advantage to this.  I think many members of the Forum would advise you to have a short straight between a curve and a set of points, particularly 'facing points' (sorry about this jargon - if you don't understand anything please feel free to ask.  There are many very knowledgeable people who will help you!).  If you arrange your inner oval points as I suggest, you will have a lovely long straight between the curve and the points for normal running.  When you are reversing into the siding the train will be travelling  slowly and derailments will be less likely.  Certainly, I have no trouble reversing into the sidings on my layout.  I suggest that you test this before fixing your track down, just to make sure.

Finally, the points that we buy can normally be 'self-isolating' or 'route switching' when used with DC.  This means that the route that the points are set for is electrically 'live' and the other route is 'dead'.  This can get more involved with complicated layouts which have complex junctions and suchlike.  But, for your layout, this will be the case.  Please check with the retailer of the make of track that you are going to use.  (I use Peco or Kato.)  If this is the case, there is no need for a switch panel.  My present layout has no electrical switches.  A twin track controller (Gaugemaster and nearly 30 years old) is all I have - just like a train set!  My points are manually operated.

One final thought.  If you plan on converting to DCC at a later date, I think that will require a different approach to the points.  I know almost nothing of DCC but there are many members on the Forum who will give you expert advice.

Best wishes.

John
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on October 09, 2018, 07:51:07 AM

Hello Matt

That looks to be a very nice plan.  As your layout is to be set in Germany, I assume that the outer oval will run anti-clockwise and the inner oval clockwise.  That's the opposite to what you will see in British and French layouts.

If that's the case, I suggest that you make the inner oval sidings start at the right-hand side.  That way, trains running round the oval, while you enjoy watching them, will encounter the points in what is called the 'trailing direction'.  This is prototypical and will probably give better running and fewer derailments at the points.  You will also drive out of sidings and reverse in on both ovals.

There is another advantage to this.  I think many members of the Forum would advise you to have a short straight between a curve and a set of points, particularly 'facing points' (sorry about this jargon - if you don't understand anything please feel free to ask.  There are many very knowledgeable people who will help you!).  If you arrange your inner oval points as I suggest, you will have a lovely long straight between the curve and the points for normal running.  When you are reversing into the siding the train will be travelling  slowly and derailments will be less likely.  Certainly, I have no trouble reversing into the sidings on my layout.  I suggest that you test this before fixing your track down, just to make sure.

Finally, the points that we buy can normally be 'self-isolating' or 'route switching' when used with DC.  This means that the route that the points are set for is electrically 'live' and the other route is 'dead'.  This can get more involved with complicated layouts which have complex junctions and suchlike.  But, for your layout, this will be the case.  Please check with the retailer of the make of track that you are going to use.  (I use Peco or Kato.)  If this is the case, there is no need for a switch panel.  My present layout has no electrical switches.  A twin track controller (Gaugemaster and nearly 30 years old) is all I have - just like a train set!  My points are manually operated.

One final thought.  If you plan on converting to DCC at a later date, I think that will require a different approach to the points.  I know almost nothing of DCC but there are many members on the Forum who will give you expert advice.

Best wishes.

John


Hi John,

Wow thanks for the great advice, please see ammendments made in line with this.

Two questions though: firstly, is it bad to have two points directly in sequence as with the red and green points highlighted and secondly, do you suggest a 10cm straight between my curved track and all the other points or can I get away with less for reliable running?


Much appreciated
Matt

P.s. my sidings on the inner loop are likely to arc inwards more steeply than shown, so I can make the tracks a little longer.
P.p.s how close do people generally go to the edge of baseboards with their track work?

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Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: port perran on October 09, 2018, 08:12:36 AM
I know nothing about Fleichmann track but my Peco ones work fine next to each other.
Also your points seem to have a longish section built in (or is that my eyes?). With Peco it’s generally advisable to put a small straight in before the point but with yours that may not be necessary.
I think you have allowed enough space between the track and baseboard edge. You just don’t want any expensive locos taking a plunge.
And,  I really like the way that you’ve skewed the oval a bit so that it’s not dead central on the board. A nifty idea.
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on October 09, 2018, 08:20:42 AM
I know nothing about Fleichmann track but my Peco ones work fine next to each other.
Also your points seem to have a longish section built in (or is that my eyes?). With Peco it’s generally advisable to put a small straight in before the point but with yours that may not be necessary.
I think you have allowed enough space between the track and baseboard edge. You just don’t want any expensive locos taking a plunge.
And,  I really like the way that you’ve skewed the oval a bit so that it’s not dead central on the board. A nifty idea.

Thanks Port Perran - the skew was another member's idea, it does work well!

Actually I have not purchased any points yet, I'm just mocking up with bits of straight laying about... but you are correct, I have mocked up with straights before the points.

Cheers
Matt
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Bealman on October 09, 2018, 08:31:20 AM
 Agree with everything PP has said above.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Train Waiting on October 09, 2018, 09:18:31 AM
Hi John,

Wow thanks for the great advice, please see ammendments made in line with this.

Two questions though: firstly, is it bad to have two points directly in sequence as with the red and green points highlighted and secondly, do you suggest a 10cm straight between my curved track and all the other points or can I get away with less for reliable running?


Much appreciated
Matt

P.s. my sidings on the inner loop are likely to arc inwards more steeply than shown, so I can make the tracks a little longer.
P.p.s how close do people generally go to the edge of baseboards with their track work?

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Hello Matt

Thank you for your kind comments.  I think the latest version of your plan is excellent.

I agree completely with Martin's @port perran (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=230) comments.  Very sound advice from an expert layout builder.  If you have not already seen them, I recommend his Port Perran and Trepol Bay and Tregonning threads which are truly inspirational.

As for your questions, my experience is:


Approached in the facing direction, a short straight is advisable between a curve and the switch of the point (the point blades).  Like this: 
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/69/6222-091018084957.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=69899)

This is my last layout, moribund at present.  It is configured for British operation, so the faraway track runs left to right and the nearest track runs right to left.  It is Kato 'Unitrack', which is very good.  The points are for loops.  The faraway one is approached in the facing direction and I found, after experimentation (yes; 'wheels on the ballast') that a straight track was required between the point and the curve.  I experimented with various Kato 'Unitrack' lengths and found the 45mm track piece the shortest one which gave completely reliable running.  Of course, much depends on the trains that one is running.  In my experience steam locomotives were more prone to derailment than diesels.

Please note that the nearest track has no short straight.  The trains run over the point in the trailing direction and gave no difficulties whatsoever.  The resulting asymmetric loops gave the longest loop length possible commensurate with a short straight where required.

This second picture, from my present train set layout,
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shows a point traversed in the trailing direction and leading on to a curve, which is working very reliably.  The diverging track of that point then leads to two other points in a 'ladder' formation.  There are no straight tracks between the points.  Of course, these points are traversed at slow speed, but they give no difficulties at all.  (Well, there can be one potential difficulty, but it's not relevant here, I think.)  The track, in this case, is Peco 'Setrack' which I like very much.  The points are a small radius at 9" (228mm), but work well.  The Kato points in the first picture are of 718mm radius.

With regard to track near the baseboard edge, it is best to allow room for a train to derail at speed without falling off.  And, more likely in my case, one can easily knock a train off the rails when leaning over the baseboard!  I allow a minimum of 45mm for this.

With best wishes.

John
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on October 09, 2018, 10:03:51 AM
Thank you John and Bealman, that's a really clear explanation.

Now that the plan is modified to have all trains running the main lines meeting points in the trailing direction, it seems I may get away without putting a short straight in before them (correct me if I'm wrong). Have you been fine in your new layout with slowly reversing trains off the mainline curves into your sidings in a facing direction without the short straight? I will do some tests of my own as soon as my sidings arrive.

Cheers
Matt :beers:
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: swisstrains on October 09, 2018, 09:37:54 PM
Hi Matt,
30 years ago I modelled British outline myself and experienced many of the derailing problems being talked about, especially with the bogies and pony trucks of steam locos and from what is being said I think this must still be a problem.
My current Swiss layout is Peco Code 55 track/points with a small number of Minitrix points and I can honestly say that I never have any derailments caused by the trackwork. I have points immediately after and before curves, points on gradients (both up and down and curved), facing points taken at full speed etc. etc.
What I am trying to say is that you will be unlikely to experience many of the derailment problems that are being talked about with the locos and rolling stock that you are likely to be using on a modern German based layout. However, if it makes you feel more confident then it's never a bad thing to carry out some tests before you finally start track laying.
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on October 09, 2018, 09:55:13 PM
Hi Matt,
30 years ago I modelled British outline myself and experienced many of the derailing problems being talked about, especially with the bogies and pony trucks of steam locos and from what is being said I think this must still be a problem.
My current Swiss layout is Peco Code 55 track/points with a small number of Minitrix points and I can honestly say that I never have any derailments caused by the trackwork. I have points immediately after and before curves, points on gradients (both up and down and curved), facing points taken at full speed etc. etc.
What I am trying to say is that you will be unlikely to experience many of the derailment problems that are being talked about with the locos and rolling stock that you are likely to be using on a modern German based layout. However, if it makes you feel more confident then it's never a bad thing to carry out some tests before you finally start track laying.

Thanks for the advice John. I've just ordered the points so I'll be able to play with the proposed layout a while.

I have a new problem though. My only current loco is a DB101 from Fleischmann and very nice it is too. It is factory fitted DCC. I'm running it on DC and the layout will be DC. It runs fine apart from one thing: when starting her up I have to move the dial all the way to 60 and then she sudenly leaps into motion. If I turn it down and then slowly up again I then get the nice slow crawl desired. If the loco is off for any period ishe then reverts to surging the first time she is started up again. Weird!

This is going to present a problem if I'm keeping trains backed up in sidings. If I start the train in the wrong direction, it could easily surge back and crash the bumpers! Should I remove the DCC chip given I'm unlikely to use it for the foreseeable in DCC? I'm a bit scared of opening the loco up!

Matt  :hmmm: :confused2:
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: ntpntpntp on October 09, 2018, 11:47:35 PM
My only current loco is a DB101 from Fleischmann and very nice it is too. It is factory fitted DCC. I'm running it on DC ... when starting her up I have to move the dial all the way to 60 and then she sudenly leaps into motion. If I turn it down and then slowly up again I then get the nice slow crawl desired.

When you run a decoder fitted loco on DC, the decoder requires 5-6 volts before the electronics can "wake up" and start running its programming, at which point it can then examine the incoming power and recognise it as DC rather than DCC.   As a consequence a DC and a DCC fitted loco of the same model won't usually start and run at the same controller setting.  When you get it moving then turn the controller down a little, then as long as the decoder is still powered up it can continue to power the motor but more slowly.
How well the decoder handles slow starts and stops when it's running on DC can depend on the decoder used and also the acceleration/deceleration CV settings.

Quote
This is going to present a problem if I'm keeping trains backed up in sidings. If I start the train in the wrong direction, it could easily surge back and crash the bumpers! Should I remove the DCC chip given I'm unlikely to use it for the foreseeable in DCC? I'm a bit scared of opening the loco up!

If you're not going to run DCC for a while then yes I'd say replace the decoder with a blanking plate for now, just so that you get a more direct response to the controller especially in the low speed range.
My layout is DC, and I have a large fleet of locos, some dating back to the 60s, so I have no desire to move to DCC. A small handful of my fleet are or were DCC fitted, and most of those have had their decoders swapped out.

I like 101s!

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Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on October 10, 2018, 07:15:59 AM
Hi ntpntpntp,

I love your 101 collection, yes, they're good looking locos! Nice simple, clean lines.

Your response confirms my suspicions. I'm struggling to find any good resources or videos showing DCC chip removal and blanking being done on this type of loco, do you know of any?

If I just use the box instructions, is it terribly difficult to perform? I don't usually do electronics, but the closest thing I've done is installing RAM and HDDs in computers!

Matt
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: ntpntpntp on October 10, 2018, 08:59:22 AM
Should be just a case of removing the bodyshell, removing the decoder and replacing with a blanking plate making sure you orientate it correctly.   Literally a minute's work. Did it come with a blanking plate?  They're not difficult to get hold of but different brands of plate may not be exactly the same size. Fleischmann often seem to mount the decoder vertically on one side of the chassis rather than across the top.

My 101s are the original Roco model, I don't know how much has been re-tooled when Roco became part of Fleischmann, or whether it's a totally different chassis.    Given that the 101 was one of Roco's last new N models and cost a lot to develop I'd have thought as much as possible would have been retained.
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on October 10, 2018, 09:18:49 AM
Should be just a case of removing the bodyshell, removing the decoder and replacing with a blanking plate making sure you orientate it correctly.   


Hi, you're right the 'lid' came off very easily!

Here's a pic of what I'm guessing is the chip. Is the black plastic part of the chip and should it slide off with the chip? I guess I put the blanking plug on (I've contacted Gaugemaaster to see if they have one) and leave the chip tucked up in the roof of the 101 somewhere.

Cheers
Matt


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Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Train Waiting on October 10, 2018, 09:25:45 AM
Thank you John and Bealman, that's a really clear explanation.

Now that the plan is modified to have all trains running the main lines meeting points in the trailing direction, it seems I may get away without putting a short straight in before them (correct me if I'm wrong). Have you been fine in your new layout with slowly reversing trains off the mainline curves into your sidings in a facing direction without the short straight? I will do some tests of my own as soon as my sidings arrive.

Cheers
Matt :beers:

Hello Matt

Thank you for this.  The answer, I'm glad to say, is yes.

The best test of this is the 'inner oval', what I call the Down main line.  The end curves are Peco 'Setrack' No. 2 radius (263.5mm) and the points are No. 1 radius (228mm).  If I use the first siding, next to the main line, the effect is a 228mm reverse curve over points.  Asking for trouble, particularly with bogie coaches: maybe!  Therefore, I normally use the second, or middle, siding for passenger trains and the first siding for goods trains with short wheelbase wagons.

To answer your question as truly as I can, I have made a short film of a Great Western locomotive reversing a passenger train into the first siding!
https://www.dropbox.com/s/4iztjz6dk5b5lxs/Reversing%20for%20Matt.MOV?dl=0 (https://www.dropbox.com/s/4iztjz6dk5b5lxs/Reversing%20for%20Matt.MOV?dl=0)

I'm sorry that the train appears a tad 'jerky' in motion.  It's not like that in reality and I have had this problem before.  Perhaps a better camera is required!

Best wishes.

John

Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on October 10, 2018, 09:39:42 AM
I sure as heck hope this is the decoder, because it's out now (and unharmed)!

May need a gin now!!! :thumbsup:
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Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on October 10, 2018, 09:54:29 AM
Hello Matt

Thank you for this.  The answer, I'm glad to say, is yes.

The best test of this is the 'inner oval', what I call the Down main line.  The end curves are Peco 'Setrack' No. 2 radius (263.5mm) and the points are No. 1 radius (228mm).  If I use the first siding, next to the main line, the effect is a 228mm reverse curve over points.  Asking for trouble, particularly with bogie coaches: maybe!  Therefore, I normally use the second, or middle, siding for passenger trains and the first siding for goods trains with short wheelbase wagons.

To answer your question as truly as I can, I have made a short film of a Great Western locomotive reversing a passenger train into the first siding!
https://www.dropbox.com/s/4iztjz6dk5b5lxs/Reversing%20for%20Matt.MOV?dl=0 (https://www.dropbox.com/s/4iztjz6dk5b5lxs/Reversing%20for%20Matt.MOV?dl=0)

I'm sorry that the train appears a tad 'jerky' in motion.  It's not like that in reality and I have had this problem before.  Perhaps a better camera is required!

Best wishes.

John

Hi John,

Wow, you're actually reversing in much faster than I believed possible. Hope my setup works as well, if so I'll be able to zoom my trains about very efficiently, and Matt's DBAG won't get any fines for late running of services!  :bounce:

On a serious note, once my loco DCC socket is blanked off, I'm looking forward to some nice smooth steady slow speeds.

Matt
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: ntpntpntp on October 10, 2018, 12:44:57 PM
I sure as heck hope this is the decoder, because it's out now (and unharmed)!

May need a gin now!!! :thumbsup:
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Yep, that's the decoder removed.  As you can see, with the vertical socket there's not enough room to plug in a decoder so they've basically used a wired decoder and soldered the wires to an NEM651l plug.
your problem is going to be finding a small blanking plate, otherwise you'd end up having to do the same sort of wiring job from the blanking plate to the socket.

This is what you need, it's a very small blanking plate - though don't buy from here as the postage is stupidly high (though I think that is mostly down to ebay rules)
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Fleischmann-00664002-Stecker-fur-Schnittstelle-6-polig-NEU-/361847408708 (https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Fleischmann-00664002-Stecker-fur-Schnittstelle-6-polig-NEU-/361847408708)

Need to find a UK shop to get you one.

[edit]  I notice the lights are wired to the decoder - that could be a problem, usually the lights would be wired to the board with the DCC socket. It may be the lighting wiring would need to be soldered to the blanking plate.  I'll have to have a look at one of my modern Fleischmann locos with the same socket, and see how they wire the lights.
Hmm... seems not as straight-forward as I would have expected  :hmmm:
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on October 10, 2018, 01:38:37 PM

Yep, that's the decoder removed.  As you can see, with the vertical socket there's not enough room to plug in a decoder so they've basically used a wired decoder and soldered the wires to an NEM651l plug.
your problem is going to be finding a small blanking plate, otherwise you'd end up having to do the same sort of wiring job from the blanking plate to the socket.

This is what you need, it's a very small blanking plate - though don't buy from here as the postage is stupidly high (though I think that is mostly down to ebay rules)
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Fleischmann-00664002-Stecker-fur-Schnittstelle-6-polig-NEU-/361847408708 (https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Fleischmann-00664002-Stecker-fur-Schnittstelle-6-polig-NEU-/361847408708)

Need to find a UK shop to get you one.

[edit]  I notice the lights are wired to the decoder - that could be a problem, usually the lights would be wired to the board with the DCC socket. It may be the lighting wiring would need to be soldered to the blanking plate.  I'll have to have a look at one of my modern Fleischmann locos with the same socket, and see how they wire the lights.
Hmm... seems not as straight-forward as I would have expected  :hmmm:

Yes looks more tricky than we thought! I may have to learn to solder then ha ha. Yes any info appreciated.

Matt
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: ntpntpntp on October 10, 2018, 07:03:12 PM
So... I don't have a Fleischmann BR101, but I do have other very similar models. There have been quite a variety of chassis variations over the years, the closest I can find to yours is this BR145.

Mine has never been a DCC fitted loco, you can see there is a socket with the small blanking plate but the lighting boards are fed by the metal clips which come up from the main board underneath the loco (and hence the lights are powered via the socket as I would expect).

By comparison, on your chassis the clips are onto plastic mouldings and also one pair is shorter to make room for the decoder.  Unfortunately it looks like swapping out the decoder for a blanking plate *on your particular loco* isn't simple after all. You would need to obtain alternative lighting boards like the ones on mine (and a set of clips), or do some serious hard-wiring which you'd have to revert when you eventually go to DCC and want to reinstate the decoder.

Sorry for mis-informing you, I really did expect it to be simple but it seems even Fleischmann have gone for a rather non-standard factory DCC install on your 101!

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/69/5885-101018185302.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=69958)
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on October 10, 2018, 08:16:47 PM
By comparison, on your chassis the clips are onto plastic mouldings and also one pair is shorter to make room for the decoder.  Unfortunately it looks like swapping out the decoder for a blanking plate *on your particular loco* isn't simple after all. You would need to obtain alternative lighting boards like the ones on mine (and a set of clips), or do some serious hard-wiring which you'd have to revert when you eventually go to DCC and want to reinstate the decoder.

Sorry for mis-informing you, I really did expect it to be simple but it seems even Fleischmann have gone for a rather non-standard factory DCC install on your 101!



Thanks ntpntpntp for going through so much trouble for me! Yes, the BR145 seems a similar setup.

I forgot to mention, in running the 101 as DCC on DC, the lights didn't work anyway. So by swapping in a blanking plug I don't lose anything really. The critical thing is that the loco doesn't cause any crashes into buffers in the sidings with sudden accidental lurching.

Only thing now is to find a supplier for the blanking plug. And at least I have learnt how to remove (and consequently to install) a decoder!

Cheers
Matt

P.s. is a British product like this incompatible?
http://www.gaugemaster.com/item_details.asp?code=GF379-428&style=main&strType=&Mcode=Graham+Farish+379%2D428 (http://www.gaugemaster.com/item_details.asp?code=GF379-428&style=main&strType=&Mcode=Graham+Farish+379%2D428)
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on October 13, 2018, 10:19:16 AM
So I'm making good headway with constructing the plinths/trolleys on which my layout will sit (ignore track layout - just playing with my new points which arrived yesterday).

Here is also the latest illustration of the layout plan: not sure if I should make the crossover right hand as shown (meaning mainline trains have to back up over it to change tracks) or the other way. The current configuration would give the benefit of trailing direction, however I suppose it is not very prototypical for mainline trains to stop and reverse to change tracks! If its left I'll have only left hand points on the layout, is that weird?  :hmmm:

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/69/7020-131018101702.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=69989)



(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/69/7020-131018101835.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=69990)



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Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: ntpntpntp on October 13, 2018, 11:03:34 AM
Well, let's be honest it's not very prototypical for mainline trains to go round and round in circles either  :D     

You could always  have a facing crossover and a trailing crossover so you can change loops whenever you want.  That's basically what I have - crossovers either end of the station area to give access into and out of the freight loops.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/69/5885-131018110130.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=69992)
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on October 13, 2018, 11:24:45 AM
Well, let's be honest it's not very prototypical for mainline trains to go round and round in circles either  :D     

Ha ha yes I suppose you are correct! Next you'll be telling me tht German intercity trains are more likely to consist of 15 carriages rather than just 3!  :D

Playing with the points, I now realise this adds a massive dimension of interest and fun to the layout - they're great!

Cheers
Matt
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on October 15, 2018, 04:39:28 PM
I've got my layout table pretty much done now (set at 90cm height). That was a job of work! Especially as I made a measuring error and had to do some re-building :-[

I had not anticipated how danged cool it is to see n-gauge trains at close to eye level when seated at the table!  :claphappy:

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/70/7020-151018163747.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=70107)



(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/70/7020-151018163813.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=70108)
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Train Waiting on October 15, 2018, 04:44:46 PM
That's looking jolly good, Matt.

Congratulations!

I agree completely with your remark about viewing height.


Best wishes.

John
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: port perran on October 15, 2018, 04:51:17 PM
Looks really good.
Now for some modelling.
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on October 17, 2018, 05:40:46 PM
Looks really good.
Now for some modelling.


Thanks Port Perran and John.

I've added a second loco and got a DCC controller. It's great fun but I already had a crash! I forgot the points were set the other way and sent a loco crashing into the rake of coaches (which took a dive off the edge of the layout)!   :-[ :'(

Luckily it's carpet and I just had to clip a roof back on and re-set some wheels in the bogie. Luckily no damage done, live and learn and all that. I'm installing a safety barrier and I'll stick loads of bushes at the end of my sidings. I'll also make sure I keep the trains runing over sidings from trailing direction whenever possible.

On a brighter note, I've been using matchsticks to plan road layouts - reminds me of making matchstick towns on the carpet when I was a child!

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/70/7020-171018173846.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=70156)
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Train Waiting on October 17, 2018, 07:04:29 PM
That's certainly looking like my kind of layout, Matt.

Good luck with the DCC control.  I understand that it can do amazing things.

I think it is marvellous that you are building a layout set in Germany.  When I was a boy, Model Railway Constructor was full of German layouts, but I don't see that many nowadays.  I look forward to following how your project develops.

John

Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on October 20, 2018, 08:25:01 AM
That's certainly looking like my kind of layout, Matt.

Good luck with the DCC control.  I understand that it can do amazing things.

I think it is marvellous that you are building a layout set in Germany.  When I was a boy, Model Railway Constructor was full of German layouts, but I don't see that many nowadays.  I look forward to following how your project develops.

John

Thanks John - yes it's giving me a lot of enjoyment and the German scene has always interested me the most (with Swiss and Austrian close behind).

Can't believe it I had yet another rail safety incident this morning. The Federal Ministry of Transport may well have to shut down my railway operation if I'm not careful! I went and left the layout unattended for a few moments and didn't realise a loco was ever so slowly creeping backwards. I heard the ghastly sound of carriages falling on the carpet (yet again) and dashed in to look. The whole rake had been pushed off the siding yet again, on the only side of the layout with no safety barrier yet!!!!! All I can say is that Arnold carriages are incredibly robust and bouncy. Just had to stick some wheels back in again and a coupler and a roof.

I've really had enough of this, I'm going to isolate my sidings fairly close to the points. Trains will only be able to reverse in, but that is preferable to more bounce testing of expensive rolling stock.
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on October 28, 2018, 09:45:56 AM
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/70/7020-281018093620.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=70600)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/70/7020-281018095447.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=70602)

Morning all,

Just an update on how things are looking. I've finally got all my track and points linked up, on advice of members I'm going to leave it like this for a while just to play and iron out any issues. I'm so glad I now have sidings and a crossover to play with, it really does add interest! And as can be seen, I am able to store a total of 4 trains with 3 carriages in each siding.

I've done the skeleton structure for the hill and made a little access flap for dealing with subterranean derailments etc.

Station wise I'm ummming and ahhing between kit bashing and having a go at scratch building. I'm quite a fan of the Swiss station buildings designed by Max Vogt (e.g. Stäfa in Zurich) - I've got a really good book of his Swiss stations and signal boxes from 1960 - 1980 or so. They would not look out of place over the border in Germany. Anyway that's something for later on really. The building will be from 1960s onwards I do know that, as the layout is going to be modern image.

I've got my cork underlay also - it's 2mm. Need to work out how to do the curves so I'll have a play with that next.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/70/7020-281018094241.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=70601)
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: port perran on October 28, 2018, 10:20:15 AM
Looking really good Matt.
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on October 28, 2018, 01:37:04 PM
Looking really good Matt.

Thank you! At times it feels like utterly no progress is being made though. theres also still so much to do. But I guess it would be boring if that were not the case.

I think having track actually glued down will be a key milestone, I'll get the champers out for a mini celebration then!
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: ntpntpntp on October 28, 2018, 01:47:35 PM
I hope you trained as a vet - looks like it won't be easy to access all that hidden trackwork for cleaning via what is quite a small access hatch!   :D

When laying cork on straight track and gentle curves I use strips approximately 1" wide , but for tight curves I use two 0.5" strips either side of the centre-line for the curve, that way the cork is easier to bend.
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on October 28, 2018, 02:11:37 PM
I hope you trained as a vet - looks like it won't be easy to access all that hidden trackwork for cleaning via what is quite a small access hatch!   :D

When laying cork on straight track and gentle curves I use strips approximately 1" wide , but for tight curves I use two 0.5" strips either side of the centre-line for the curve, that way the cork is easier to bend.

Hmmm yes hadn't considered cleaning the track. Either I'll have to send some Smurfs in to do it for me, or I'll have to improve access! :-[
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on October 28, 2018, 03:31:38 PM
On reflection, I'll probably just design the whole hill to lift off like a lid. About a third of the junction between hill and flat will be a retaining wall anyway, so it won't be that noticeable (I think).
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: port perran on October 28, 2018, 03:40:41 PM
Sounds sensible. That’s a fairly big area to access from that one little hole. Especially when it comes to cleaning the track.
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on October 28, 2018, 04:10:10 PM
When laying cork on straight track and gentle curves I use strips approximately 1" wide , but for tight curves I use two 0.5" strips either side of the centre-line for the curve, that way the cork is easier to bend.

Hey Nick, would it be OK if I made the strip 25.4mm instead of 1 inch, as it's a continental layout?!  :D

On a serious note, I think you've got a good system there, will report back on how I find it!

Cheers
Matt
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: ntpntpntp on October 28, 2018, 04:38:11 PM
When laying cork on straight track and gentle curves I use strips approximately 1" wide , but for tight curves I use two 0.5" strips either side of the centre-line for the curve, that way the cork is easier to bend.

Hey Nick, would it be OK if I made the strip 25.4mm instead of 1 inch, as it's a continental layout?!  :D

 :P    Well let's say 1" nominal, it's usually the width of whatever steel rule I lay my hands on first!   
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on October 28, 2018, 04:49:55 PM
Lol Nick!

I've done a quick tryout and 1" wide cork looks perfect for the track geometry, giving a nice shoulder and space between main lines.
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: ntpntpntp on October 28, 2018, 04:56:32 PM
http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=43337.msg536244#msg536244 (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=43337.msg536244#msg536244)
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on October 28, 2018, 05:01:24 PM
[url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=43337.msg536244#msg536244[/url] ([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=43337.msg536244#msg536244[/url])


Ha ha I see this is a recurring question. Generally speaking I've got more experience popping corks than other forms of cork-based activity! :bounce:
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Train Waiting on October 28, 2018, 08:27:27 PM
On reflection, I'll probably just design the whole hill to lift off like a lid. About a third of the junction between hill and flat will be a retaining wall anyway, so it won't be that noticeable (I think).


That's a good idea, Matt.

It's helpful to have easy access to all the track on a layout for cleaning and to attend to any derailments.


John
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on October 30, 2018, 12:15:37 PM

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/70/7020-301018121141.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=70776)

Cork is going in following useful advice from Nick. Wow, it does make running sound lovely, smooth and quiet!

I've done a search on this forum for gluing cork down but not much come up. I've heard PVA tends to make the cork hard, so I was thinking of using evo stick flooring glue? Other option is evostick wood glue. It's onto a plywood base - any tips/experiences appreciated.

Cheers
Matt
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: ntpntpntp on October 30, 2018, 01:09:36 PM
PVA works fine for me. I seem to use PVA in various concentrations for just about everything on the layout from the framework through tracklaying to scenery.  The big tubes are also heavy enough to be useful weights whilst the glue dries!

Wickes own brand is my favourite, maybe my imagination but it's always seemed just a little stickier/tackier then some other brands.
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on October 30, 2018, 01:20:23 PM
PVA works fine for me. I seem to use PVA in various concentrations for just about everything on the layout from the framework through tracklaying to scenery.  The big tubes are also heavy enough to be useful weights whilst the glue dries!

Wickes own brand is my favourite, maybe my imagination but it's always seemed just a little stickier/tackier then some other brands.

Great Nick, yes I'm just doing some tests so will opt either for PVA or wood glue. Dis I understand correctly that you also stick the track to the bed with PVA?
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: ntpntpntp on October 30, 2018, 01:33:17 PM
Great Nick, yes I'm just doing some tests so will opt either for PVA or wood glue. Dis I understand correctly that you also stick the track to the bed with PVA?

Typical white wood glue is usually a PVA formulation anyway (though probably a bit stronger than cheapo trade PVA sold in large containers), folk tend to use the two terms interchangeably (as you can tell I'm guilty of that!)

Yes I glue the track to the cork with a thin smear of PVA.
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on November 01, 2018, 12:07:31 PM
Cheers Nick, good point about the glue.

Another update:

I've been working on getting the final trackwork cut exactly, the area with the crossover was the most tricky because the points which form it are out-of-step so to speak. Quite a lot of head scratching and wrongly-cut rails was required!

Next I've been getting the cork layed down, using the wood glue. I've managed to get the basic angeled-oval well positioned with the corresponding underlay. Just one semi circle to go and after lots and lots of tweaking (with adding and taking glued down cork) - it is actually accurate. I've chamfered the edges of the cork with a scalpel and the result seems pretty good overall. I never imagined these stages would be so challenging - I've found it immensely precise work (if you want it to be accurate) and I don't think I've ever needed to do so much geometry and measuring ever before!




(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/70/7020-011118120228.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=70952)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/70/7020-011118120244.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=70953)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/70/7020-011118120304.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=70954)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/70/7020-011118120442.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=70955)

I've also been watching a video on YouTube about thow the real thing is done in prototype, it's fascinating! They seem to roughly lay the section of track by hand, then ballst over it and somehow draw the track up through the ballast, straighten it out and set it on a cantered-angle for the curves - astonishing! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYq-OiK4s60 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYq-OiK4s60)

Bye for now,
Matt
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: daffy on November 01, 2018, 01:48:05 PM
Good progress Matt.

And thanks for posting the video link. :thumbsup:  Great footage of a track laying and ballasting operation for the SBB. Nice to see the workings of a Plasser and Theurer machine. I watched one such operation briefly some years back while waiting for a train in the Bernese Oberland, so good to see more of the process.

With all that mechanisation it was good to see there is still room for the lowly man with a rake, and a guy wielding a small folding rule. Also good to see that, unlike the local aggregate shifters (and the farm muck shifters) near me, the lorries being filled with ballast don’t get overloaded so don’t end up decorating the roads! :)

Fixing all that ballast, i wonder how much PVA they get through. ;)

Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Train Waiting on November 01, 2018, 09:06:44 PM
Great progress, Matt.
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on November 02, 2018, 04:27:40 PM
Good progress Matt.

And thanks for posting the video link. :thumbsup:  Great footage of a track laying and ballasting operation for the SBB. Nice to see the workings of a Plasser and Theurer machine. I watched one such operation briefly some years back while waiting for a train in the Bernese Oberland, so good to see more of the process.

With all that mechanisation it was good to see there is still room for the lowly man with a rake, and a guy wielding a small folding rule. Also good to see that, unlike the local aggregate shifters (and the farm muck shifters) near me, the lorries being filled with ballast don’t get overloaded so don’t end up decorating the roads! :)

Fixing all that ballast, i wonder how much PVA they get through. ;)

Thanks Daffy - yes they sure must use lots of PVA lol! I like the characters of the guys captured on film actually - yes especially the guy with a rake, and the chap eating pistacho nuts in the cab of his Plasser.
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on November 02, 2018, 04:28:13 PM
Great progress, Matt.

Thank you!  :)
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on November 03, 2018, 08:24:06 AM
Speaking of ballast, I'm having trouble sourcing the ideal ballast.

For N gauge I like ballast very fine, with a sand-like grain size. Conistency-wise I like the N gauge ballast from Noch (which is the same as Gaugemaster). I like the rule that there should be 10 grains fitting in a row between each sleeper.

However, I want an even, light/mid-grey colour (not the salt and pepper grey mix like Noch produce). Anybody got any recommendations?

Cheers
Matt
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: ntpntpntp on November 03, 2018, 09:09:22 AM
I've used Woodland Scenics fine light gray B1374  since the 80s.  It's not as fine as sand but gives the look I want.  I prefer to use a light colour which can be darkened down to taste.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/71/5885-031118090845.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=71036)

Here's an example once weathered
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/71/5885-031118090600.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=71035)


Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on November 03, 2018, 09:15:04 AM
I've used Woodland Scenics fine light gray B1374  since the 80s.  It's not as fine as sand but gives the look I want.  I prefer to use a light colour which can be darkened down to taste.


Thanks Nick, that looks a good option! Great pics, love your scenic work!

Matt
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on November 03, 2018, 09:21:01 AM
I notice you have grey concrete sleepers Nick. I'm going to have to paint all my sleepers grey - I have Roco/Fleischmann track with dark brown/black sleepers!
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: swisstrains on November 03, 2018, 09:53:09 AM
Like Nick I have always used Woodland Scenics fine ballast. Personally I think that ballast is one of those areas where you have to compromise in N Gauge. Although sand is closer to scale you can't always see the texture from a normal viewing distance and it can look like the track has been set in concrete.
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: ntpntpntp on November 03, 2018, 10:09:04 AM
I notice you have grey concrete sleepers Nick.

Nope, it's all Peco wooden sleeper track. Just the weathering and lighting makes them look that colour sometimes.
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: ntpntpntp on November 03, 2018, 10:10:13 AM
Although sand is closer to scale you can't always see the texture from a normal viewing distance and it can look like the track has been set in concrete.
Yes absolutely agree, sand can look too fine.
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: swisstrains on November 03, 2018, 04:08:58 PM
Speaking of ballast, I'm having trouble sourcing the ideal ballast.
……………. I like the rule that there should be 10 grains fitting in a row between each sleeper.



Much as I like Woodland Scenics Fine ballast I'm afraid it doesn't meet your strict specification.::)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/71/193-031118155951.jpeg)
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on November 03, 2018, 04:14:11 PM

Much as I like Woodland Scenics Fine ballast I'm afraid it doesn't meet your strict specification.::)


Ha ha yes it seems not! On reflection, I think 7 grains/stones is within acceptable parameters. However, if visitors to my layout ever point out the inaccuracy, I'm blaming you guys though! :smiley-laughing:
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: TrevL on November 03, 2018, 05:29:11 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYq-OiK4s60 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYq-OiK4s60)



I never knew Peco made flexi-track that big :no:
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on November 04, 2018, 02:04:03 PM
Hi all,

I'm thinking of doing my platform widths as 42mm. Any view on this (for modern image)? Also any favoured heights?

Ta
Matt
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: ntpntpntp on November 04, 2018, 02:58:32 PM
That's a very precise measurement, is it derived from what will fit the location?  Is this an island platform or does it have only one face?

42mm seems quite wide for a single faced platform, but of course in real life it varies. There's probably a minimum requirement stated somewhere.

I've tended to make my platforms low, I've used a  specific "C" shape plastic extrusion for platform edges of the current layouts, it's about 7mm high from ground level.  You could certainly go higher for modern image platforms.  Code 80 trackwork will be higher than the code 55 I use.

This island platform on my abandonned station is about 45mm wide, and quite low as you can see.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/71/5885-041118145302.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=71077)


(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/71/5885-041118145345.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=71078)


Make sure you allow adequate clearance for locos and stock to pass by.  If you eventually get any steam locos they often need a bit more clearance - one of the worst culprits is the old Minitrix 2-10-0 which is very wide at the cylinders! As you can see, I've allowed general clearance on the platforms above.
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on November 04, 2018, 03:09:56 PM
That's a very precise measurement, is it derived from what will fit the location?  Is this an island platform or does it have only one face?

42mm seems quite wide for a single faced platform, but of course in real life it varies. There's probably a minimum requirement stated somewhere.



Hi Nick

Loving your abandoned station! I want to also have an abandoned length of track on my layout  :)

Here's my station mock up. I'm realising getting platform heights etc is quite tricky, esp. after the underlay is glued down! (which I have done now except on sidings).

I got the measurement (lets call it 4 cm wide ha ha) by guesstimating from the Google satellite view of Horrem station (which may be the station - not sure yet). Also the Faller ICE platforms are I believe 42mm.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/71/7020-041118150716.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=71083)

Matt
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on November 04, 2018, 03:18:42 PM
Here's the whole thing...


(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/71/7020-041118151834.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=71090)
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: ntpntpntp on November 04, 2018, 03:22:46 PM
Those platforms look ok for width now we can see in context.

Don't forget you can always use the same cork sheet under the platforms and related building to keep the heights matching with the track, especially if you use platforms from kits.

Impressive station building if that's the size it's going to be!
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on November 04, 2018, 03:34:14 PM
Those platforms look ok for width now we can see in context.

Don't forget you can always use the same cork sheet under the platforms and related building to keep the heights matching with the track, especially if you use platforms from kits.

Impressive station building if that's the size it's going to be!

Cheers Nick, yes will use the underlay I have left over for that. Yep she's a big 'ol station!

Matt
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Train Waiting on November 04, 2018, 03:36:12 PM
It's looking fantastic, Matt.

I thank that you'll have a lot of fun with this layout.


John
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on November 04, 2018, 03:40:46 PM
It's looking fantastic, Matt.

I thank that you'll have a lot of fun with this layout.


John


Thanks John, it would never have reached this configuration without suggestions from you guys  :bounce:! How's your shed layout doing, I was just revisiting your last photo of it?

Matt
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on November 07, 2018, 08:20:11 AM
Bit of an unexpected problem here. I've made good progrees with my lift-off hill.

However when I look at it, I can't help thinking it looks like a sort of big frog's head, with the tunnels being frog's eyes, and the hill edge a large frog-mouth! Do I just have an over-active imagination? It is actually bugging me quite a bit.

I can't actually think of any solutions, apart from removing the hill altogether (which is a shame as I like it breaking up the loop of rail), or maybe extending the hill around the wouth western corner more and removing quite a bit of of the southern siding (also a pity).

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/71/7020-071118081832.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=71221)


(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/71/7020-071118081910.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=71222)
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: port perran on November 07, 2018, 08:29:02 AM
Hi
I think your problem is that the tunnel doesn’t look as if it fits in the scenery but rather looks “plonked in place”.
The way around it is ro extend tie sides between the road and track so that it tapers down to a point at ground level just by the point.
Maybe do the same with the edge at the top tapering it down between road and platform.
I’d also do the same bottom left to taper the land down between main line and siding.
I think that will make a huge difference so it doesn’t look so angular.
I think you are absolutely correct in that it does provide a scenic break very nivcely.
Hope that’s not too critical and hope it helps.
Martin
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: weave on November 07, 2018, 08:33:26 AM
Hi Globi,

Haven't replied before but have given thank yous so just to say all looking good.

The hill looks fine to me and with more landscaping and maybe more trees I'm sure any frogness in your mind will disappear.

Sometimes bits of scenery look odd or out of place when on their own but once incorporated with everything else they look fine.

Cheers weave  :beers:

Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on November 07, 2018, 08:35:29 AM
Hi
I think your problem is that the tunnel doesn’t look as if it fits in the scenery but rather looks “plonked in place”.

I never thought of that - yes I could definitely experiment with adding longer tapers to make it blend better as you suggest. The southern siding could almost be in a mini cutting if I also blend the left edge of the hill more gradually.

Cheers for the tip - definitely not-over critical, just what I needed!  :beers:

Matt
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on November 07, 2018, 08:37:36 AM
Hi Globi,

Haven't replied before but have given thank yous so just to say all looking good.

The hill looks fine to me and with more landscaping and maybe more trees I'm sure any frogness in your mind will disappear.

Sometimes bits of scenery look odd or out of place when on their own but once incorporated with everything else they look fine.

Cheers weave  :beers:

Thanks Weave, yes I was thinking that may be the case!

Matt
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Bealman on November 07, 2018, 08:38:17 AM
I'm biting my lip trying not to post the picture of my gronk doing cartwheels on my platform! :worried:
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Bealman on November 07, 2018, 08:55:34 AM
http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=media;sa=media;in=9297 (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=media;sa=media;in=9297)

Oh ok.....  :beers:
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: ntpntpntp on November 07, 2018, 08:55:52 AM
Unfortunately this can be a problem with flat-top board layouts, you have no opportunity to undulate the scenery and take it below track level and so everything looks "plonked on top" as Martin says.

I think the straight edge along the front is the most obvious unnatural feature at first glance, so try making that less uniform.  Add a few more lumps and bumps generally, so it's not so symmetrical?  Might turn it into a toad rather than a frog?  :D

Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on November 07, 2018, 08:59:47 AM
Unfortunately this can be a problem with flat-top board layouts, you have no opportunity to undulate the scenery and take it below track level and so everything looks "plonked on top" as Martin says.

I think the straight edge along the front is the most obvious unnatural feature at first glance, so try making that less uniform.  Add a few more lumps and bumps generally, so it's not so symmetrical?  Might turn it into a toad rather than a frog?  :D

Ha ha I think I prefer frogs to toads actually! Yes I see your point, table-top layouts have their limitations in this regard.

Cheers
Matt
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on November 07, 2018, 09:00:32 AM
[url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=media;sa=media;in=9297[/url] ([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=media;sa=media;in=9297[/url])

Oh ok.....  :beers:


LOL is that protypical for Gronks?
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Bealman on November 07, 2018, 09:18:02 AM
On my layout, unfortunately yes!

Outside frames don't like the clearance on the curved platforms.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: dannyboy on November 07, 2018, 09:41:21 AM
It will look completely different once more elements of scenery are incorporated into the layout, but I do agree with the suggestions to do more 'tapering'.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: swisstrains on November 07, 2018, 09:46:56 AM
On my layout, unfortunately yes!

Outside frames don't like the clearance on the curved platforms.  :thumbsup:

Don't worry Matt. That is unlikely to happen on your layout if you take notice of what Nick said. :thumbsup:

"Make sure you allow adequate clearance for locos and stock to pass by.  If you eventually get any steam locos they often need a bit more clearance - one of the worst culprits is the old Minitrix 2-10-0 which is very wide at the cylinders! As you can see, I've allowed general clearance on the platforms above"
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Bealman on November 07, 2018, 10:17:27 AM
True. I have a couple of Minitrix 9Fs, which are also useful as a clearance gauge.

Interestingly, they clear the platform in the photo, which suggests the Farish gronk must be wider!  :hmmm:
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: swisstrains on November 07, 2018, 10:22:39 AM
I
Bit of an unexpected problem here. I've made good progrees with my lift-off hill.

However when I look at it, I can't help thinking it looks like a sort of big frog's head, with the tunnels being frog's eyes, and the hill edge a large frog-mouth! Do I just have an over-active imagination? It is actually bugging me quite a bit.

I can't actually think of any solutions, apart from removing the hill altogether (which is a shame as I like it breaking up the loop of rail), or maybe extending the hill around the wouth western corner more and removing quite a bit of of the southern siding (also a pity).

([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/71/7020-071118081832.jpeg[/url]) ([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=71221[/url])


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I think you have made a great start Matt.
As the other members have suggested you need to make it look less symmetrical. I like the idea of extending the high ground between the siding/mainline/road but have concerns about the practicality of lifting it off the layout should the need arise. You would be adding some delicate protruding spurs which will be easily damaged. Instead of having gradually rising ground why not do the opposite and incorporate a steep rockface into that area. You could bring the high ground further forward and even create a flat area on top of the rockface where you could place a suitable building.
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on November 07, 2018, 12:26:04 PM
On my layout, unfortunately yes!

Outside frames don't like the clearance on the curved platforms.  :thumbsup:

Oh dear, poor Gronks!   :'(
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on November 07, 2018, 12:40:45 PM
Ok, aggregating suggestions together to move in a non-symetrical direcion, I especially like the cliff face addition (plus this will be robust when lifting the hill off).

Here's a mock up. Actually it gives an opportunity to experiment with some rock effects, which is a plus.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/71/7020-071118124031.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=71228)

Although I just noticed it now looks like a bird!  :-[
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on November 07, 2018, 05:32:33 PM
Voila - one cliff!

It's de-froggified it considerably!


(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/71/7020-071118173226.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=71236)
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: daffy on November 07, 2018, 05:47:55 PM
Looking like a good solution is taking shape Matt. :thumbsup:

Topographically, just try to ensure that the edges of the tunnel hill are not all on the same contour line, i.e. the baseboard level, and look natural. Straight edges and planes are rare in nature.

Once you have draped it all in plaster cloth, painted it and added grasses,  bushes, trees, and a few other detail elements, it will be fine. The trick is to make the removable section flow into its immediate surroundings, so beyond its edges you might like to slope out the hill, hiding the joint as much as is reasonable with aforementioned bushes, trees, etc.
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: port perran on November 07, 2018, 06:13:29 PM
Yes, looking good Matt.
As Daffy says, don’t make things too uniform.
It will all look so much better when finished.
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on November 07, 2018, 09:00:47 PM
Looking like a good solution is taking shape Matt. :thumbsup:


Thanks Daffy, can't wait to get the plaster on and then the greenery etc!

Matt
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on November 07, 2018, 09:01:29 PM
Yes, looking good Matt.
As Daffy says, don’t make things too uniform.
It will all look so much better when finished.

Thank you, yes I have high hopes!
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: swisstrains on November 07, 2018, 09:05:42 PM
Once you have put a couple of layers of plaster cloth on your hill I think it will be rigid enough to allow you to cut a bigger access hole at the back. Then it would not need to be removable which would make blending it into the rest of the landscape much easier.
Another thought...……..If you extended the sheer rockface across your tracks and redesigned the tunnel portal you could curve the siding and run it into an adjacent single track portal which could be blocked off out of use. This would represent a disused branchline that was now just being used as a siding. You said in an earlier post that you wanted a disused line. :D
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on November 08, 2018, 09:28:43 PM
Once you have put a couple of layers of plaster cloth on your hill I think it will be rigid enough to allow you to cut a bigger access hole at the back. Then it would not need to be removable which would make blending it into the rest of the landscape much easier.
Another thought...……..If you extended the sheer rockface across your tracks and redesigned the tunnel portal you could curve the siding and run it into an adjacent single track portal which could be blocked off out of use. This would represent a disused branchline that was now just being used as a siding. You said in an earlier post that you wanted a disused line. :D

Great ideas, thank you, I'll consider them!
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on November 08, 2018, 09:32:46 PM
I've started applying the plaster cloth, it's the most fun part of the build so far!  :bounce:. Really glad I followed Swiss Train's suggestion of adding rocks and cliff as that's going to be interesting to model. Will get to work with Polyfilla for those bits.


(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/71/7020-081118213051.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=71296)



(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/71/7020-081118213210.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=71297)
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: paulprice on November 08, 2018, 09:47:03 PM
looking good
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Train Waiting on November 08, 2018, 09:52:20 PM
looking good


Seconded!
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: port perran on November 08, 2018, 09:57:15 PM
Thirded.
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: ntpntpntp on November 09, 2018, 07:46:58 AM
I was going to say "cover the track first!" but then remembered your hill is removable.    Good start!   As I've recently mentioned elsewhere on the facebook page;

Make sure you use at least a couple of layers criss-crossed.

Smear the wet plaster so that you cover the all holes in the cloth lattice.

Have a bag of plaster of paris to hand, mix in some brown and black powder paint and use this mix sprinkled and smeared over the wet cloth to create a top layer which won't show pure white if chipped in the future.

Have fun, it's definitely Messy Time!
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: port perran on November 09, 2018, 07:49:43 AM
I rather enjoy “messy time”.
It’s great to see a mess turn into something that looks good.
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on November 09, 2018, 01:34:10 PM
I rather enjoy “messy time”.
It’s great to see a mess turn into something that looks good.

Totally agree!
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on November 09, 2018, 01:37:22 PM
I was going to say "cover the track first!" but then remembered your hill is removable.    Good start!   As I've recently mentioned elsewhere on the facebook page;

Make sure you use at least a couple of layers criss-crossed.

Smear the wet plaster so that you cover the all holes in the cloth lattice.

Have a bag of plaster of paris to hand, mix in some brown and black powder paint and use this mix sprinkled and smeared over the wet cloth to create a top layer which won't show pure white if chipped in the future.

Have fun, it's definitely Messy Time!

Thank you! I've just bought some powder based paint and the plaster of Paris, I've experimented with mixing them and applying to an off-layout tester - seems to work fine and create a nice brown layer.

I did two layers of bandaging, they're not criss crossed but they are ovelapping sections. It's been drying 24 hours. Should I add another criss cross layer on?

Cheers
Matt
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: dannyboy on November 09, 2018, 01:48:16 PM
@Globi (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=7020)  Matt, most of my plaster bandaging has been done just as you have done and the only 'criss crossing' I have done is when I have been using small pieces to fit. Once everything is dried, I think you will find it is hard and strong enough.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on November 09, 2018, 01:56:46 PM
@Globi ([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=7020[/url])  Matt, most of my plaster bandaging has been done just as you have done and the only 'criss crossing' I have done is when I have been using small pieces to fit. Once everything is dried, I think you will find it is hard and strong enough.  :thumbsup:


Ah smashing thank you!

Matt
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Miek on November 09, 2018, 03:31:20 PM
Hi,

This is a great little layout. As others say, everything about the hill / tunnels will look even better when you add stuff around it like trees, rocks, buildings what-ever. It is just that it is the first item and thats what gets the focus if you see what I mean. And also the photos are from a scale helicopter looking down over the layout.

Please can you tell me how are you using on the plaster bandage - is it just water? Also, after this, are you going to be using plaster or polyfiller to go over it?

/*EDIT because I read your post properly :confused1:
What is the paint and plaster you describe*/


Thanks.
Mike
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on November 09, 2018, 08:06:07 PM
Hi,

This is a great little layout. As others say, everything about the hill / tunnels will look even better when you add stuff around it like trees, rocks, buildings what-ever. It is just that it is the first item and thats what gets the focus if you see what I mean. And also the photos are from a scale helicopter looking down over the layout.

Please can you tell me how are you using on the plaster bandage - is it just water? Also, after this, are you going to be using plaster or polyfiller to go over it?

/*EDIT because I read your post properly :confused1:
What is the paint and plaster you describe*/


Thanks.
Mike

Thanks Miek, glad you like it! It is my first layout, so I'm learning a huge amount from the guys on this forum. The plaster bandage is really great stuff. I made a rough sub-structure from scrap corrugated cardboard. Then I layered over that with brown paper, glued down with PVA to the sub-structure. With the plaster bandage you just cut sections off the roll, dip it in a shallow water tray and lay it over the brown paper. It seems to take a day or two to dry fully.

Next step I will follow the suggestion to mix powder paint brown/black into plaster of Paris and coat this over the top (initial tests seem good). Rockfaces will be treated seperately with grey coloured plaster. I'll keep posting the progress as it takes place....

Matt
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: ntpntpntp on November 09, 2018, 09:26:02 PM
With the plaster bandage you just cut sections off the roll, dip it in a shallow water tray and lay it over the brown paper. It seems to take a day or two to dry fully.
That might be the brown paper substrate retaining the moisture? Plaster bandage usually hardens and dries quite rapidly, remember it used to be used for setting broken arms etc.!
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: dannyboy on November 09, 2018, 09:33:39 PM
And using warm water can help.
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on November 10, 2018, 09:32:08 AM
More messy fun this morning! I've mixed up plaster of paris with the poster paint and smeared it onto the hill, covering up all the little gaps in the mesh of the plaster bandage.

I mixed up too much at first, it starts to set surprisingly quickly in the mixing pot!

In other news, I have made my ICE style tunnel portals with a £5 length of 10cm diameter air duct tubing from B&Q and a hack saw. These have been painted very light grey with Tamiya acrylics. I'm extremely chuffed with these!


(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/71/7020-101118091916.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=71335)


(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/71/7020-101118091954.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=71336)


(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/71/7020-101118093120.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=71338)
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: swisstrains on November 10, 2018, 09:39:53 AM
............….In other news, I have made my ICE style tunnel portals with a £5 length of 10cm diameter air duct tubing from B&Q and a hack saw. These have been painted very light grey with Tamiya acrylics. I'm extremely chuffed with these!

([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/71/7020-101118093120.jpeg[/url]) ([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=71338[/url])




Much cheaper than the Busch ones. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on November 10, 2018, 09:49:50 AM

Much cheaper than the Busch ones. :thumbsup:

I know. I'm figuring I can't self-make locos, rolling stock or track (well, not without extreme difficulty), so I'm going to make as much of the other stuff as possible. My signal box was an inexpensive Kibri kit and I'll use that to scale my scratch built station building.
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: swisstrains on November 10, 2018, 10:24:55 AM

Much cheaper than the Busch ones. :thumbsup:

I know. I'm figuring I can't self-make locos, rolling stock or track (well, not without extreme difficulty), so I'm going to make as much of the other stuff as possible. My signal box was an inexpensive Kibri kit and I'll use that to scale my scratch built station building.
And I'm sure you will make a great job of it. I find that building the layout is just as much fun as running the trains.
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on November 12, 2018, 10:38:12 AM

And I'm sure you will make a great job of it. I find that building the layout is just as much fun as running the trains.


Thank you, yes the building is rewarding!

Here's my nearly finished signal box. I've painted it in my favoured colours with various mixes of Tamiya acrylics. I'll leave weathering it till it's in position in the landscaped layout. it was quite hard to get the correct brick tone - I mixed desert yellow, red and white in the end.  I've replaced the kit glasing with thin, clear plastic cut from Fleishmann track packaging, as I found it easier to get a precise fit that way.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/71/7020-121118103335.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=71431)

Regarding the station, I will be going for a scratch build. I've changed the prototype now to a smaller building. After a long trawl through Google satellite view, I've located a small, modern station outside Zurich. I've sent a relative who lives near there to go and take photos for me! Looking forward to the joys of scratch building for the first time!

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/71/7020-121118103431.png) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=71432)

The plaster on the hill is now fully dry, I'm making a few tweaks and then I'll give an even coat of brown acrylic. Then I guess it's ready for the addition of some rock effects and final scenics.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/71/7020-121118103517.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=71433)

And finally, I'm getting through painting all the sleepers grey - this is taking quite a long time! :sleep: Once that's done I can think about gluing the track down.

So things are creeping along.... :thumbsup:


(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/71/7020-121118103710.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=71434)
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: swisstrains on November 12, 2018, 11:08:07 AM

Here's my nearly finished signal box. I've painted it in my favoured colours with various mixes of Tamiya acrylics. ………….

You appear to have made a good job of the signal box. I've built a couple of these kits over the years and they didn't fit together particularly well. Probably something to do with it being a very old moulding.


Regarding the station, I will be going for a scratch build...…….. I've located a small, modern station outside Zurich. I've sent a relative who lives near there to go and take photos for me!



Now I know why you are using a Swiss station to model and not a German one.  :D
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on November 12, 2018, 07:45:52 PM

Here's my nearly finished signal box. I've painted it in my favoured colours with various mixes of Tamiya acrylics. ………….

You appear to have made a good job of the signal box. I've built a couple of these kits over the years and they didn't fit together particularly well. Probably something to do with it being a very old moulding.


Regarding the station, I will be going for a scratch build...…….. I've located a small, modern station outside Zurich. I've sent a relative who lives near there to go and take photos for me!



Now I know why you are using a Swiss station to model and not a German one.  :D

Thank you, yes the fit is a bit dodgy here and there but the overall effect seems good! Yes it's kind of him to go and take those research photos, would be a bit stuck with only street view as reference!

Matt
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: paulprice on November 12, 2018, 07:54:45 PM
its looking good
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on November 14, 2018, 08:47:27 PM
I've just started gluing the track down to the cork bed with PVA. I must say I'm quite surprised how much noisier the trains are running over the glued down sections! Is it any quieter if you use track pins/screws instead? :hmmm:
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: swisstrains on November 14, 2018, 09:00:00 PM
I've just started gluing the track down to the cork bed with PVA. I must say I'm quite surprised how much noisier the trains are running over the glued down sections! Is it any quieter if you use track pins/screws instead? :hmmm:

Pins and/or screws driven into the ply will increase the noise even more and if you think it is noisy now wait until you do the ballasting. :worried:
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: ntpntpntp on November 14, 2018, 09:03:35 PM
I've just started gluing the track down to the cork bed with PVA. I must say I'm quite surprised how much noisier the trains are running over the glued down sections! Is it any quieter if you use track pins/screws instead? :hmmm:

Glued track will transmit more sound than loose track as you've created a firm contact between track and cork, and between cork and baseboard, but the cork itself at least provides some insulation compared to gluing track directly to the baseboard.

Personally I think pins/screws transfer more sound to the underlying board, plus they look worse IMO.
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on November 14, 2018, 09:04:59 PM
I've just started gluing the track down to the cork bed with PVA. I must say I'm quite surprised how much noisier the trains are running over the glued down sections! Is it any quieter if you use track pins/screws instead? :hmmm:

Pins and/or screws driven into the ply will increase the noise even more and if you think it is noisy now wait until you do the ballasting. :worried:

Yikes! Ok good to know that it's normal though  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Train Waiting on November 14, 2018, 09:22:41 PM
I've just started gluing the track down to the cork bed with PVA. I must say I'm quite surprised how much noisier the trains are running over the glued down sections! Is it any quieter if you use track pins/screws instead? :hmmm:

Pins and/or screws driven into the ply will increase the noise even more and if you think it is noisy now wait until you do the ballasting. :worried:

Yikes! Ok good to know that it's normal though  :thumbsup:
I agree completely with Nick.  I have done a fair bit of testing as I like quiet trains.  The best results for sound-deadening that I found is a soft-ish foam and track stuck to it with 'Copydex'.  (The Table-Top Railway (Mk II) used this approach.)  A single track pin through the foam and into the solid baseboard will increase the noise much more than one might think.

Best wishes.

John

Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on November 15, 2018, 07:47:08 AM
Funnily enough, last time I read up on this topic, was when I was trying to stop bass from my speakers travelling down to the flat below. The things I learned were: A - don't have speakers in the corner of the room and B - Coupling. Apparently when a speaker is accoustically connected to whatever it is sitting on, this then also acts as a speaker - e.g. the floor or furniture it may be sitting on. To uncouple it from said furniture, the speaker needs to sit on a soft wallowy mass (I used neoprene pads in the end) thereby uncoupling it. The worst thing to sit speakers or stands on (in terms of preventing sound waves travelling to neighbours) was needle points as these couple the speaker very effectively to the surface below.

And this all ties in with what you are saying!
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: ntpntpntp on November 15, 2018, 08:39:29 AM
...The worst thing to sit speakers or stands on (in terms of preventing sound waves travelling to neighbours) was needle points as these couple the speaker very effectively to the surface below.

Yeah, it used to be the fashion to fit needle points to speaker stand feet and between the speaker and the stand, I still have all the points that came with mine but I used "black-tac" instead.
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on November 16, 2018, 03:34:35 PM
I've taken an unorthodox step and decided to make my hill out of sponge cake, coated with dark chocolate. The idea is, I will be able to nibble at it whilst playing with the trains. I'll replace the trees with sugar trees of course to match.  :laugh:


(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/71/7020-161118153418.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=71559)
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: ntpntpntp on November 16, 2018, 03:45:18 PM
turn it into a Swiss Roll   :D  :D
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: port perran on November 16, 2018, 04:05:01 PM
And take a Swiss Army Knife to it to slice it up  :D

Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on November 16, 2018, 04:07:24 PM
turn it into a Swiss Roll   :D  :D

Yum - good idea - ha ha! :laugh:
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on November 19, 2018, 01:50:24 PM
Utter chaos on the layout again today. I've had to tweak the tunnel portal areas a lot, much adjustment/ re-doing needed to get them looking right - can't tell you the amount of time I've been sticking down and unsticking again!

Further track has been getting painted and then glued down also. My soldering iron also arrived, so at some point I can do nice soldered connections to a bus wire. I'll also use it to scratch build catenary - most likely using HO rail to represent 'I' beam style masts/gantries.

Woodland scenics scatter material is also in the post, so working on greenery on the hill looks imminent.

Sometimes when the track is clear and joined up I actually get to play with the trains a bit. I've got a container wagon in the post to start building up my cargo train - I love the graphics on cargo stuff, I was never previously that interested in freight but am now!


(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/71/7020-191118134702.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=71626)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/71/7020-191118134843.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=71627)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/71/7020-191118134926.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=71628)
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Train Waiting on November 19, 2018, 01:53:09 PM
It's looking splendid, Matt.

John
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on November 19, 2018, 06:24:12 PM
It's looking splendid, Matt.

John

Cheers John!  :beers:
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Miek on November 20, 2018, 06:57:27 AM
Yes it's coming along nicely. What did you paint the sleepers with. Is it from those little Tamiya acrylic paint pots or something else?
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on November 20, 2018, 06:02:14 PM
I'd love to interior light my Arnold coaches. Any ideas on how to go about this?

Cheers
Matt
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/71/7020-201118180205.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=71665)
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: ntpntpntp on November 20, 2018, 06:14:53 PM
In the old days you would probably have used the Arnold coach lighting kit

https://www.ebay.de/p/Arnold-N-7362-Wagenbeleuchtung-Innenbeleuchtung-f%C3%BCr-4-achs-Personenwagen/1811010407 (https://www.ebay.de/p/Arnold-N-7362-Wagenbeleuchtung-Innenbeleuchtung-f%C3%BCr-4-achs-Personenwagen/1811010407)

I haven't checked whether Hornby/Arnold still offer such a kit. Plus of course you're DCC aren't you? Those kits should still work but probably be very bright, and would benefit from changing to LEDs with a bridge rectifier and voltage drop resistor.

Must admit I've never been a fan of lighting in coaches, too much flicker and also added drag from the wheel or axle pickups. I usually disable any lighting I find in 2nd hand coaches.  An alternative might be to find a 3rd party lighting kit maybe battery powered?
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: dannyboy on November 20, 2018, 06:25:33 PM
Here is one battery operated type, (I am certain I have seen others) -

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Model-Railway-Coach-Lighting-for-N-Gauge-Easy-fit-with-No-wiring-No-switches/292702122173?hash=item442667f0bd:m:mq0rj33JNOAJhWIDX592BJg:rk:24:pf:0 (https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Model-Railway-Coach-Lighting-for-N-Gauge-Easy-fit-with-No-wiring-No-switches/292702122173?hash=item442667f0bd:m:mq0rj33JNOAJhWIDX592BJg:rk:24:pf:0)
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on November 20, 2018, 06:26:23 PM


Must admit I've never been a fan of lighting in coaches, too much flicker and also added drag from the wheel or axle pickups.

Oh that would be annoying! I might stick with just having layout lighting then.
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on November 20, 2018, 06:29:29 PM
Here is one battery operated type, (I am certain I have seen others) -

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Model-Railway-Coach-Lighting-for-N-Gauge-Easy-fit-with-No-wiring-No-switches/292702122173?hash=item442667f0bd:m:mq0rj33JNOAJhWIDX592BJg:rk:24:pf:0 (https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Model-Railway-Coach-Lighting-for-N-Gauge-Easy-fit-with-No-wiring-No-switches/292702122173?hash=item442667f0bd:m:mq0rj33JNOAJhWIDX592BJg:rk:24:pf:0)

That's interesting. It is an awful lot of money though!
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: dannyboy on November 20, 2018, 07:03:49 PM
The advantage of battery operated lighting is that there is no flickering. I have seen something, somewhere, where the lights were operated by a tiny switch, so they did not need to be lit if not required. I will post the details if I find them.
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on November 20, 2018, 07:05:55 PM
The advantage of battery operated lighting is that there is no flickering. I have seen something, somewhere, where the lights were operated by a tiny switch, so they did not need to be lit if not required. I will post the details if I find them.

Cool, thank you! :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: dannyboy on November 20, 2018, 07:06:39 PM
Just found this, (no switches required!) -

https://www.dcpexpress.com/gauge-warm-white-coach-lighting-traditional-style-p-599.html (https://www.dcpexpress.com/gauge-warm-white-coach-lighting-traditional-style-p-599.html)
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on November 21, 2018, 09:09:34 PM
I keep making costly mistakes. I've painted most of my points and they're fine, because I didn't paint the sleepers directly on the slidy bits.

But this morning I got overly-bold and painted sleepers under the slidy bits on 2 sets of points, then glued the points down, along with other track.

I've just brought up the whole load of track again which took all this morning and last night to align, because although the points still "work", they don't spring back neatly when passed over again from the opposite direction. So basically they are fooked!

That's more cash down the drain (AKA Gaugemaster), I'll never get any new rolling stock at this rate!!!!! :(

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/71/7020-211118211015.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=71697)
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: ntpntpntp on November 21, 2018, 09:19:26 PM
Should be able to clean the point up.  Take off the motor first, and see how freely the blades are moving, it might just be something simple that needs a bit of paint scraping off.

You didn't need to paint the sleepers grey though, that was just an optical illusion in one of my photos you saw?
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Train Waiting on November 21, 2018, 09:33:06 PM
Should be able to clean the point up.  Take off the motor first, and see how freely the blades are moving, it might just be something simple that needs a bit of paint scraping off.

You didn't need to paint the sleepers grey though, that was just an optical illusion in one of my photos you saw?

Agreed.  A gentle scrape off of the paint and a bit of 'wiggling' the point blades and you'll likely be fine.  A blunt scraper is best, to avoid cutting into the plastic of the slide chairs and risking bits of plastic sticking up and causing difficulties.  Rubbing each of the slide chairs with a soft pencil will give a bit of lubrication if required.   
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on November 21, 2018, 09:34:08 PM
Should be able to clean the point up.  Take off the motor first, and see how freely the blades are moving, it might just be something simple that needs a bit of paint scraping off.

You didn't need to paint the sleepers grey though, that was just an optical illusion in one of my photos you saw?

I'll do that and keep trying to clean them. Well, I painted them to get that concrete look (I should have used Peco track, just never occured to me at the beginning).
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on November 21, 2018, 09:37:26 PM
Should be able to clean the point up.  Take off the motor first, and see how freely the blades are moving, it might just be something simple that needs a bit of paint scraping off.

You didn't need to paint the sleepers grey though, that was just an optical illusion in one of my photos you saw?

Agreed.  A gentle scrape off of the paint and a bit of 'wiggling' the point blades and you'll likely be fine.  A blunt scraper is best, to avoid cutting into the plastic of the slide chairs and risking bits of plastic sticking up and causing difficulties.  Rubbing each of the slide chairs with a soft pencil will give a bit of lubrication if required.   

Crikey the graphite trick worked immediately!
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on November 22, 2018, 04:49:56 PM
Ok so I've removed the motors, polished and scraped burnished and graphite-ed. The actions have improved somewhat but they're tripping the trains now. It's £45 up the spout I'll have to replace them.

I've swapped in un-painted points to test the locations and they are fine.

That'll teach me!!!
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on November 23, 2018, 08:11:09 AM
Since I was ordering new points, I decided to get an electric one for the siding which is on the far side of the layout (I've noticed I never bother operating that point because I have to reach across the layout - which is a shame. All other points are within arm's reach of my sitting position). I don't have the fogiest idea how to wire it up. I'm assuming I need some sort of switch and to feed it with power from the multimaus power box or my spare Gaugemaster DC controller? :hmmm:
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on November 23, 2018, 04:24:01 PM
Tunnel update:

I've been rather bothered by my slightly mis-aligned tunnel portals. They sit on curves in the railway so it has been awkward lining them up.

It's dawned on me that ideally you have to make and align the whole portal/retaining walls structure first, then insert the whole lot into a suitably cut opening in the hill. I simply never considered that first time round.

Only one thing for it, tear them out and start again!  :D (that's about the third time I've done them)!


(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/71/7020-231118162135.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=71757)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/71/7020-231118162158.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=71758)
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: ntpntpntp on November 23, 2018, 06:38:59 PM
I don't have the fogiest idea how to wire [a point motor] up. I'm assuming I need some sort of switch and to feed it with power from the multimaus power box or my spare Gaugemaster DC controller? :hmmm:


Fleischmann point I presume?  Depends whether you want to control it via DCC or keep point control separate? 

Link to Fleischmann point wiring instructions here  http://www.fleischmann.de/doc/an/2/de/BA_942101_201465.pdf (http://www.fleischmann.de/doc/an/2/de/BA_942101_201465.pdf)

It's a 3-wire system, so for analogue requires a single pole two-way momentary switch for each point motor, often sold as SPDT (ON)-OFF-(ON)    (the parentheses are important, it indicates the two ON positions are momentary).  Should work on either AC or DC - usually an AC supply is used.

For DCC you need an accessory decoder designed for the type of point motor (3-wire solenoid in this case)
Can the Multimaus control point decoders?

Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Phoenix on November 23, 2018, 06:57:56 PM
Hi there,

I just noticed you were asking about coach lighting.

The kits David linked to look great, but I did not want my coach to light up every time I moved them, so I found a kit with a little switch that I mounted underneath the coach.

The kit included everything, even the wire, and was only £4.25.

Here is how I installed it in an autocoach .......

http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=41655.msg512761#msg512761 (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=41655.msg512761#msg512761)

I hope this helps  :D

All best wishes
Kevin

 :beers:
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on November 23, 2018, 07:02:36 PM
I don't have the fogiest idea how to wire [a point motor] up. I'm assuming I need some sort of switch and to feed it with power from the multimaus power box or my spare Gaugemaster DC controller? :hmmm:


Fleischmann point I presume?  Depends whether you want to control it via DCC or keep point control separate? 

Link to Fleischmann point wiring instructions here  [url]http://www.fleischmann.de/doc/an/2/de/BA_942101_201465.pdf[/url] ([url]http://www.fleischmann.de/doc/an/2/de/BA_942101_201465.pdf[/url])

It's a 3-wire system, so for analogue requires a single pole two-way momentary switch for each point motor, often sold as SPDT (ON)-OFF-(ON)    (the parentheses are important, it indicates the two ON positions are momentary).  Should work on either AC or DC - usually an AC supply is used.

For DCC you need an accessory decoder designed for the type of point motor (3-wire solenoid in this case)
Can the Multimaus control point decoders?


Thanks Nick, yes it's Fleishmann (ex-Roco) track. The Multimaus does indeed do points, but as it's just the one set of points, I'll just stick with analogue methinks (unless decoders for points are really cheap). Ta for switch info and link.

At the rate everything else is going (aka making look Panama canal look speedy) , it will probably be weeks before I'm actually wiring it up!  :D
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: ntpntpntp on November 23, 2018, 07:16:24 PM
... as it's just the one set of points, I'll just stick with analogue methinks (unless decoders for points are really cheap). Ta for switch info and link.
Well you can buy accessory decoders with just a single channel, or if you did plan to motorise more points then it's worth considering a multi-channel decoder.

Personally I much prefer good old analogue switches on a real control panel over pressing a sequence of buttons on a DCC controller.  I've played around with PC control too but didn't find it particularly satisfying.
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: dannyboy on November 23, 2018, 07:25:13 PM
I found a kit with a little switch that I mounted underneath the coach.

The kit included everything, even the wire, and was only £4.25.

Here is how I installed it in an autocoach .......

[url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=41655.msg512761#msg512761[/url] ([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=41655.msg512761#msg512761[/url])



Thanks for that @Phoenix (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=5755)  and thank you for the link to your 'how I did it' post. I have now ordered a couple of the lighting kits and bookmarked your post.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on November 23, 2018, 07:42:39 PM
... as it's just the one set of points, I'll just stick with analogue methinks (unless decoders for points are really cheap). Ta for switch info and link.
Well you can buy accessory decoders with just a single channel, or if you did plan to motorise more points then it's worth considering a multi-channel decoder.

Personally I much prefer good old analogue switches on a real control panel over pressing a sequence of buttons on a DCC controller.  I've played around with PC control too but didn't find it particularly satisfying.

I'm definitely with you on this. I'll not be having more than one set of electric points and I like the idea of having a physical switch to operate said points!
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on November 23, 2018, 07:45:24 PM
Hi there,

I just noticed you were asking about coach lighting.

The kits David linked to look great, but I did not want my coach to light up every time I moved them, so I found a kit with a little switch that I mounted underneath the coach.

The kit included everything, even the wire, and was only £4.25.

Here is how I installed it in an autocoach .......

[url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=41655.msg512761#msg512761[/url] ([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=41655.msg512761#msg512761[/url])

I hope this helps  :D

All best wishes
Kevin

 :beers:


Thanks for this, that's definitely an economical and effective option to consider!!!
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on November 23, 2018, 07:47:55 PM
Ahahah! Evergreen styrene I-Beams. Scratch-built catenary ahoy!  :claphappy:

https://evergreenscalemodels.com/collections/14-35cm-white-polystrene-i-beam (https://evergreenscalemodels.com/collections/14-35cm-white-polystrene-i-beam)
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: dannyboy on November 23, 2018, 08:31:09 PM
https://plastruct.com/

also sell I-Beams and plenty of other plastic bits for scratch building, although I do not know how the prices compare.
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on November 24, 2018, 08:31:38 AM
More layout-building chaos this morning. The concept that one day I may able to be actually run trains seems like a far-off fantasy!


(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/71/7020-241118083049.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=71766)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/71/7020-241118083123.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=71767)
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on November 24, 2018, 10:53:41 AM
My Swiss relative is back from his mission photographing the station I found on Google maps  :claphappy:. He thinks I'm bonkers!

It's situated on the main line between and Zurich and Basel, from whence trains can cross to the German high speed lines. The station has been allowed to go to wrack and ruin by the looks of it (especially the flats above look dischevelled and un-loved) but I think it's going to provide some really interesting model making! I love the rectangular architectural shapes. There's opportunities for some lively cameos around the Kiosk (I may need to buy a model police car ha ha).

There's also a little cargo bay with 3 x roll shutters, which is interesting.

Heres a few of his photos:

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/71/7020-241118104659.png) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=71771)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/71/7020-241118104718.png) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=71772)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/71/7020-241118104815.png) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=71773)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/71/7020-241118104834.png) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=71774)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/71/7020-241118104854.png) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=71775)
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on November 26, 2018, 01:11:17 PM
Heck, by the looks of it my Kibri control tower looks like it's not to very accurate scale. My Noch 1:160 figures (probably much newer mouldings) which look very accurate to my coaching stock and my very new Rietze bus - seem smaller in proportion to the Kibri doorways.

Dang it! This makes my station scratch build all the more tricky. I'm inclined to stick to the scale of the Noch figures.
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Train Waiting on November 26, 2018, 04:27:56 PM
Many thanks for these interesting photographs, Matt.

I was disappointed to see graffiti in Switzerland.  At least you can omit it from your model.

This is a great project.


John
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on November 27, 2018, 07:58:47 AM
Many thanks for these interesting photographs, Matt.

I was disappointed to see graffiti in Switzerland.  At least you can omit it from your model.

This is a great project.


John

Thanks John, yes the project is tootling along ok. I'm really glad I'm learning the basics with this small layout. I have immense respect for those suceeding with large layouts as I now understand the multitude of things which have to be considered and the skills which need mastering!
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on November 27, 2018, 12:04:21 PM
So here's some more info on the scale issue I'm having.

I've based the scratch built station (it's a card mock up) on my Noch 1:160 figure and comparing the height of buses/ford Mondeos shown in the photos. I'm happy, except for when I put the old Kibri kit next to the station (just for comparison, it won't be placed there normally).

As shown in the photos, I believe the doorways on the Kibri kit are larger than true scale to the figure; this makes the building seem larger overall than my station (mind you signal boxes are unusually tall).

Interested in getting your views! Here's the Streetview link https://goo.gl/maps/D3Wm6DMD7zA2 (https://goo.gl/maps/D3Wm6DMD7zA2)




(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/71/7020-271118120157.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=71939)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/71/7020-271118120215.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=71940)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/71/7020-271118120242.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=71941)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/71/7020-271118120300.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=71942)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/71/7020-271118120318.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=71943)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/71/7020-271118120339.png) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=71944)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/71/7020-271118121023.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=71945)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/71/7020-271118121732.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=71946)
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: swisstrains on November 28, 2018, 10:50:01 AM
Hi Matt.
I have been doing a bit of research and I don't think the Kibri signalbox is particularly oversized. If you go to this page http://mausmaki.net/mausmaki/bahn-impressionen/abschiedsfahrt-der-baureihe-110-in-stuttgart.html (http://mausmaki.net/mausmaki/bahn-impressionen/abschiedsfahrt-der-baureihe-110-in-stuttgart.html) and scroll down you will see a photo of part of the original Backnang signalbox that Kibri have used for their model. Conveniently there are some old chairs underneath the ground floor windows that you can use for size comparison. I have a similar chair and it is 1130mm high. This equates to 7.06 mm in 1:160 scale. I would say that the distance from the ground to the bottom of the lower windows on the Kibri model was about 7.3mm so I don't think their scaling is too bad. This doesn't explain the height of the doors but it is highly likely that they are much higher than standard domestic ones. Hope this helps.
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on November 28, 2018, 11:35:38 AM
Hi Matt.
I have been doing a bit of research and I don't think the Kibri signalbox is particularly oversized. If you go to this page [url]http://mausmaki.net/mausmaki/bahn-impressionen/abschiedsfahrt-der-baureihe-110-in-stuttgart.html[/url] ([url]http://mausmaki.net/mausmaki/bahn-impressionen/abschiedsfahrt-der-baureihe-110-in-stuttgart.html[/url]) and scroll down you will see a photo of part of the original Backnang signalbox that Kibri have used for their model. Conveniently there are some old chairs underneath the ground floor windows that you can use for size comparison. I have a similar chair and it is 1130mm high. This equates to 7.06 mm in 1:160 scale. I would say that the distance from the ground to the bottom of the lower windows on the Kibri model was about 7.3mm so I don't think their scaling is too bad. This doesn't explain the height of the doors but it is highly likely that they are much higher than standard domestic ones. Hope this helps.


Hi, thank you that is really helpful! Yes I agree that the doors could well be higher than standard doors. I've re-adjusted my measurements and I'm making a slightly larger scale mock up of my station, it's looking like a better fit.

Much appreciated your time spent checking!
Matt
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on December 05, 2018, 11:35:53 AM
Is the actual metal in flex rail different from non-flex, or is it just the tension of the plastic sleepers which is different? :hmmm:
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: ntpntpntp on December 05, 2018, 12:43:25 PM
Same stuff. It's mostly the webbing between the sleepers which makes fixed track keep its shape (possibly slightly harder plastic too)
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on December 05, 2018, 12:47:03 PM
Same stuff. It's mostly the webbing between the sleepers which makes fixed track keep its shape (possibly slightly harder plastic too)

Ah interesting. Thank you!

Matt :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on December 05, 2018, 01:47:33 PM
Things are still rolling along, but nothing dramatically new to show. I've revised the tunnel portals to be more substantial, rather pleased I did this work.

I've also been finessing the mock-up of my station, I'm happy with the scale now and just need to get on with the final version, which will be in either plasticard or greyboard.

Track is also getting progressively fixed down. To think, initially I was going to have no points at all - ha ha!

Sorry I keep showing the same rolling stock, but all funds are going on scenics at the moment!

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/72/7020-051218134229.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=72104)

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/72/7020-051218134316.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=72105)

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/72/7020-051218134647.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=72106)
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Train Waiting on December 05, 2018, 04:19:48 PM
It's looking very good.
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on December 05, 2018, 04:33:28 PM
Same stuff. It's mostly the webbing between the sleepers which makes fixed track keep its shape (possibly slightly harder plastic too)

On the subject of track, Nick, how do you weather your ballast? Do you airbrush it or have you used other techniques before?

Cheers
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: ntpntpntp on December 05, 2018, 05:54:46 PM
Same stuff. It's mostly the webbing between the sleepers which makes fixed track keep its shape (possibly slightly harder plastic too)

On the subject of track, Nick, how do you weather your ballast? Do you airbrush it or have you used other techniques before?

Cheers

A light airbrush spray with a thinned mixture of Tamiya acrylics, mostly XF-52 Flat Earth with a little variation to suit the location eg. darker colours on old sidings and yards, a bit of brake dust in stations - that sort of thing. 
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on December 05, 2018, 09:36:26 PM
Same stuff. It's mostly the webbing between the sleepers which makes fixed track keep its shape (possibly slightly harder plastic too)

On the subject of track, Nick, how do you weather your ballast? Do you airbrush it or have you used other techniques before?

Cheers

Ah thought so. I'm not geared up for airbrushing, will have to stick with dry brush techniques etc.

Matt

A light airbrush spray with a thinned mixture of Tamiya acrylics, mostly XF-52 Flat Earth with a little variation to suit the location eg. darker colours on old sidings and yards, a bit of brake dust in stations - that sort of thing.
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on December 14, 2018, 10:47:49 AM
Mountain
Finally my mountain no longer looks like a chocolate cake! It’s been very enjoyable doing the flocking and weathering effects and pleased with the outcome. Whoever suggested making the hill removable (think it was Nick) thank you for that!

Platform conundrum
I’m not quite sure what height to set the platforms at. I’m probably going to have a slab of raised ground in the centre of the layout so that the platform surface is at ‘ground level’.

The track in the station is, like all the track, sitting on 2mm thick cork directly on the baseboard. Current thinking is to raise the ground level that the station sits on with two pieces of sandwiched 5mm foam board. This effectively gives a platform height of 8mm from the bottom of the sleepers. However with ballasting filling the edges between the sleepers and the platform edge, it’s going to be an effective height of 6mm or 7mm. Does this sound about right? I’ve attached a diagram to clarify.  :hmmm:

Cheers
Matt


(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/72/7020-141218104713.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=72296)

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/72/7020-141218104731.png) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=72297)
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: swisstrains on December 14, 2018, 11:12:55 AM
Great work :thumbsup:. You really have been busy Matt.
You might find this site useful when determining your platform heights. https://nscaleblog.wordpress.com/2015/02/25/minimum-platform-sizes-after-german-station-extension-on-nem-clearances/ (https://nscaleblog.wordpress.com/2015/02/25/minimum-platform-sizes-after-german-station-extension-on-nem-clearances/)
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on December 14, 2018, 11:19:28 AM
Great work :thumbsup:. You really have been busy Matt.
You might find this site useful when determining your platform heights. https://nscaleblog.wordpress.com/2015/02/25/minimum-platform-sizes-after-german-station-extension-on-nem-clearances/ (https://nscaleblog.wordpress.com/2015/02/25/minimum-platform-sizes-after-german-station-extension-on-nem-clearances/)

Thanks John, and your link is really super-useful!  :thumbsup: :)
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: port perran on December 14, 2018, 12:15:58 PM
That looks good Matt.
You’ve done an excellent job on that mountain.
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Gizzy on December 14, 2018, 12:36:06 PM
I've been watching this thread for the last couple or three months now, and your layout is coming on nicely....
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: ntpntpntp on December 14, 2018, 12:55:40 PM
Looking good.   Personally I wouldn't bother raising the level of the entire inner part, just do it where you need it under the platform and station building itself.    Maybe add a little undulation here and there so it's not all dead flat.
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on December 14, 2018, 01:09:41 PM
That looks good Matt.
You’ve done an excellent job on that mountain.

Thank you, yes dead happy with it!  :)
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on December 14, 2018, 01:10:15 PM
I've been watching this thread for the last couple or three months now, and your layout is coming on nicely....

Cheers Gizzy!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on December 14, 2018, 01:11:34 PM
Looking good.   Personally I wouldn't bother raising the level of the entire inner part, just do it where you need it under the platform and station building itself.    Maybe add a little undulation here and there so it's not all dead flat.

Cheers! You may be right on this Nick, I'll have a ponder....

Matt
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on December 19, 2018, 03:48:50 PM
How rigorously do you guys stick to the era of your layout?

Modern image is my favourite but I also really like trains from the fifties, sixties, seventies etc....

Do you just buy and run what you fancy?
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Gizzy on December 19, 2018, 04:11:02 PM
How rigorously do you guys stick to the era of your layout?

Modern image is my favourite but I also really like trains from the fifties, sixties, seventies etc....

Do you just buy and run what you fancy?
On my other scale's forum, we have rule 8;

'I run what I want, when I want, and if you don't like it, the door is over there'....  :bounce:
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on December 19, 2018, 04:29:10 PM
How rigorously do you guys stick to the era of your layout?

Modern image is my favourite but I also really like trains from the fifties, sixties, seventies etc....

Do you just buy and run what you fancy?
On my other scale's forum, we have rule 8;

'I run what I want, when I want, and if you don't like it, the door is over there'....  :bounce:


Brilliant! I never knew about rule 8. What are the other rules incidentally?
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: grumbeast on December 19, 2018, 04:50:05 PM
Stick to era! Pshaw!  I don't even stick to Geography :) Run what you like, I run UK, Canadian, UK, German, French.. from a bunch of eras (not at the same time mind you :)

Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: ntpntpntp on December 19, 2018, 05:57:01 PM
I don't often run british/jap/american etc. models on my german layout (except for testing of course!) and definitely not at shows, but I do collect all sorts of stuff (usually translated by SWMBO as "way too much stuff")

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/72/5885-191218175056.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=72509)

My layout has definitely moved forward in time since it was built.  The station has had canopies and an elevator fitted, more modern road vehicles have appeared etc. It's interesting looking back at the locos and stock featured in the Continental Modeller articles from the late 90s, compared to what I take to exhibitions nowadays.  I do still occasionally "wind the clock back" and run older stuff at shows  just for a change!

I've noticed a tendency over the past year or two to purchase more steamers for my collection, my excuse being I've got most of the modern locos I want and the next module under construction is a loco depot with steam museum attached!

As @Gizzy (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=7044) days, on the G scale forum rule 8 is "run whatever you like, it's your railway" and on here I think it's rule 1?


Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: dannyboy on December 19, 2018, 06:57:00 PM
I run UK, Japanese and American stock, in an era that spans from the 1920s to the modern day. I think there is some sort of time warp and time travelling machine in the railway room. The poor occupants do not know whether they are coming or going, or even if they have been! (Well, they won't once I get the layout completed and because of the time warp thingy, that might be tomorrow, but more like next year, or the year after, or .....). I am a firm believer in Rule 1.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on December 19, 2018, 07:44:40 PM
I don't often run british/jap/american etc. models on my german layout (except for testing of course!) and definitely not at shows, but I do collect all sorts of stuff (usually translated by SWMBO as "way too much stuff")

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/72/5885-191218175056.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=72509)

My layout has definitely moved forward in time since it was built.  The station has had canopies and an elevator fitted, more modern road vehicles have appeared etc. It's interesting looking back at the locos and stock featured in the Continental Modeller articles from the late 90s, compared to what I take to exhibitions nowadays.  I do still occasionally "wind the clock back" and run older stuff at shows  just for a change!

I've noticed a tendency over the past year or two to purchase more steamers for my collection, my excuse being I've got most of the modern locos I want and the next module under construction is a loco depot with steam museum attached!

As @Gizzy (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=7044) days, on the G scale forum rule 8 is "run whatever you like, it's your railway" and on here I think it's rule 1?

Lol great photo Nick! that must be the 08:45 express from Swindon to Nürnberg? :D

I must admit when I planned my layout I was thinking all colourful, ultra modern, electric, German region. However come to think of it I'm strongly drawn towards diesels and retro electrics. I've also had a very pleasing forray into freight which was unexpected, traditionally that never appealed so much to me!

Of course I also like British outline, especially the 1980s stuff. And Amtrac trains have always appealed, I actually did some inter-railing around the United States on them.

Good to know that others collect whatever they want! Think I was getting a bit too hung up on cohesiveness.
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on December 19, 2018, 07:48:34 PM
I run UK, Japanese and American stock, in an era that spans from the 1920s to the modern day. I think there is some sort of time warp and time travelling machine in the railway room. The poor occupants do not know whether they are coming or going, or even if they have been! (Well, they won't once I get the layout completed and because of the time warp thingy, that might be tomorrow, but more like next year, or the year after, or .....). I am a firm believer in Rule 1.  :thumbsup:

Great David! It's probably some sort of temporal flux, like in Star Trek. :D
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on December 19, 2018, 07:50:08 PM
I don't often run british/jap/american etc. models on my german layout (except for testing of course!) and definitely not at shows, but I do collect all sorts of stuff (usually translated by SWMBO as "way too much stuff")


Ha ha SWMBO, I just got it - I used to watch Rumpole LOL
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: grumbeast on December 19, 2018, 08:13:48 PM
However come to think of it I'm strongly drawn towards diesels and retro electrics. I've also had a very pleasing forray into freight which was unexpected, traditionally that never appealed so much to me!

Of course I also like British outline, especially the 1980s stuff. And Amtrac trains have always appealed, I actually did some inter-railing around the United States on them.

Good to know that others collect whatever they want! Think I was getting a bit too hung up on cohesiveness.

Its like an all you can eat Buffet Globi .. why restrict yourself :)  I like to think that us Rule 1 (or 8) model railroaders are the true hedonists of the hobby :)

Also, those lovely old green jackstaff electrics like the BR191 and the swiss crocs are just too tempting to not acquire :)
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on December 19, 2018, 08:20:09 PM

Its like an all you can eat Buffet Globi .. why restrict yourself :)  I like to think that us Rule 1 (or 8) model railroaders are the true hedonists of the hobby :)

Also, those lovely old green jackstaff electrics like the BR191 and the swiss crocs are just too tempting to not acquire :)

Great metaphor of the buffet! I'll go ahead and indulge myself.

Yes those Swiss crocs are quite something!
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: ntpntpntp on December 19, 2018, 10:36:34 PM
So... what was I saying earlier about buying older locos recently?  :D   Latest ebay purchases, both in mint or near mint condition

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/72/5885-191218223045.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=72525)

I've had a black mallet in the fleet since the mid 80s, it's one of my most powerful locos (and yes, if anyone else was watching this one on ebay I did end up paying a bit more than I'd intended due to an uncharacteristic slip of the typing fingers, but not stupidly excessive and she is gorgeous!)


Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on December 20, 2018, 11:04:45 AM
So... what was I saying earlier about buying older locos recently?  :D   Latest ebay purchases, both in mint or near mint condition

Nice purchases Nick, I especially like the little green loco - fab!

Matt
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: ntpntpntp on December 20, 2018, 12:59:49 PM
Nice purchases Nick, I especially like the little green loco - fab!

Yeah, it's a BR132.  An older produciton model but smooth as silk as you'd expect from Fleischmann.  I've had a similar Swedish 1-D-1 loco in the fleet since the 80s.    As @grumbeast (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=192)  would say, goes well with the Roco BR191 and the Arnold and Minitrix Swiss Krocodils in the historic collection  :D
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on December 21, 2018, 05:35:28 PM
Nice purchases Nick, I especially like the little green loco - fab!

Yeah, it's a BR132.  An older produciton model but smooth as silk as you'd expect from Fleischmann.  I've had a similar Swedish 1-D-1 loco in the fleet since the 80s.    As @grumbeast (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=192)  would say, goes well with the Roco BR191 and the Arnold and Minitrix Swiss Krocodils in the historic collection  :D

Nice!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: railsquid on December 22, 2018, 12:55:41 AM
I too suffer from a bad case of regional and temporal flux.

On the plus side, it's surprising how often the internet will pop up a "justification" for some previoius random purchase  :beers:
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on December 22, 2018, 07:56:41 AM
I too suffer from a bad case of regional and temporal flux.

On the plus side, it's surprising how often the internet will pop up a "justification" for some previoius random purchase  :beers:

Yes it's true - often reality is more bizzare than fiction! In Switzerland they are more than happy to stick a 1960s loco in original livery in front of an Intercity. :laugh:
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on December 22, 2018, 08:00:46 AM
Announcement:  there will be a series of heavy engineering works on my layout during the Christmas period. My single Noch 1:160 passenger is advised to check for timetable alterations prior to travelling!

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/72/7020-221218075930.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=72573)
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: port perran on December 22, 2018, 08:43:26 AM
No worries.....he can sit on too of that ballast waggon.
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on December 22, 2018, 09:23:46 AM
No worries.....he can sit on too of that ballast waggon.

Ha ha yes it may come to that!  :D

Happy Christmas fellow model train fans!   :beers:
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: swisstrains on December 22, 2018, 09:30:10 AM
Happy Christmas fellow model train fans!   :beers:

Happy Christmas Matt and good luck with your ballasting. Take particular care around your points.
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on December 22, 2018, 09:33:06 AM
Happy Christmas fellow model train fans!   :beers:

Happy Christmas Matt and good luck with your ballasting. Take particular care around your points.

Thank you John, yes I will do, I'm being as careful as possible around the points I know how delicate they are!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on December 22, 2018, 11:15:59 AM
Going through Max Hintermann's brilliant SBB archive http://bahnbilder-von-max.ch/ (http://bahnbilder-von-max.ch/) and found this: the original mock up SBB did for their double decker coaches! ;D

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/72/7020-221218111445.png) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=72580)
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: swisstrains on December 22, 2018, 11:32:48 AM
I wonder if it still exists?
SBB could tag it onto the back of freight trains and offer cheap travel. :D
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on December 22, 2018, 01:18:36 PM
I wonder if it still exists?
SBB could tag it onto the back of freight trains and offer cheap travel. :D
Lol yes I wonder! It looks like something the BBC props department knocked together for an eighties Dr Who episode! :D
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: daffy on December 22, 2018, 02:59:58 PM
Many thanks for the link to Max Hintermann’s Archive Matt. :thumbsup:

Looking forward to navigating my way around the pictures.

I love the double deckers, a host of wonderful journeys made over the years by  my good lady and I on these, though making a mistake and sitting on a very crowded train in the kindergarten wagon was not a highlight! :no:
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on December 22, 2018, 03:10:29 PM
Many thanks for the link to Max Hintermann’s Archive Matt. :thumbsup:

Looking forward to navigating my way around the pictures.

I love the double deckers, a host of wonderful journeys made over the years by  my good lady and I on these, though making a mistake and sitting on a very crowded train in the kindergarten wagon was not a highlight! :no:

I think you'll really enjoy the archive. It's amazing how high tech the infrastructure looks that the SBB installed in the 1960s. There's also a few great candid shots of people on there.

I'm also a fan of the double-deckers  :) :thumbsup: Yes the Kinderwagen is not the ideal place to sit for a restful jouney! :doh:
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on December 24, 2018, 03:54:25 PM
Grrr, just received a second hand loco that's a total dog. It goes grinding and stuttering around the layout seeming to be about to conk out terminally at any moment.

Wasn't very cheap either - luckily I can send it back for refund, literally can't wait to get shot of it. So much for my Christmas present to self!!!  :veryangry:
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: swisstrains on December 24, 2018, 05:07:12 PM
Grrr, just received a second hand loco that's a total dog. It goes grinding and stuttering around the layout seeming to be about to conk out terminally at any moment.

Wasn't very cheap either - luckily I can send it back for refund, literally can't wait to get shot of it. So much for my Christmas present to self!!!  :veryangry:
Sorry to hear that Matt.
Maybe it just needs a good clean? What model is it?
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on December 24, 2018, 05:12:38 PM
Grrr, just received a second hand loco that's a total dog. It goes grinding and stuttering around the layout seeming to be about to conk out terminally at any moment.

Wasn't very cheap either - luckily I can send it back for refund, literally can't wait to get shot of it. So much for my Christmas present to self!!!  :veryangry:
Sorry to hear that Matt.
Maybe it just needs a good clean? What model is it?

Hi John
It's a Hobbycraft Re 6/6 - I can't be faffed with it so I'm just going to return it. Sure I'll find something else that takes my fancy. On the plus side I did order some nice Minitrix and Roco TEN stock to go with it, so looking forward to those turning up.
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: daffy on December 24, 2018, 05:20:17 PM
Matt, was this ‘rogue’ buy from a recognised seller, or an eBay purchase? I would hope in either case they would be happy to repair, refund, or whatever. Is it a seller we should be wary of?
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on December 24, 2018, 05:22:11 PM
Matt, was this ‘rogue’ buy from a recognised seller, or an eBay purchase? I would hope in either case they would be happy to repair, refund, or whatever. Is it a seller we should be wary of?

Hi Daffy, it's a well known UK shop on Ebay. I'll let you know if I get any issues refunding it! I just don't think they bothered checking it well enough.

Cheers
Matt
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: daffy on December 24, 2018, 05:25:34 PM
Maybe one that failed to go through scrutiny in the pre-Christmas rush to get items out. Hopefully all will be well.

Merry Christmas Matt! :beers:
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on December 24, 2018, 05:33:54 PM
Maybe one that failed to go through scrutiny in the pre-Christmas rush to get items out. Hopefully all will be well.

Merry Christmas Matt! :beers:

Yep I reckon that's what happened too!

Cheers
Matt
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: ntpntpntp on December 24, 2018, 07:36:30 PM
Must admit I have come across a couple of duff ones of those when testing possible 2nd hand purchases, which is rare for a Kato-made loco.  I don't know if the chassis design has changed over the years, but they were in the Hobbytrain range in the mid 80s.
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: swisstrains on December 24, 2018, 08:37:50 PM
Although still made by Kato quite a few changes were made when the Lemke/Hobbytrain version of the Re6/6 was released. A common fault on the original Kurt Moser/Hobbytrain version was the track/pantograph changeover switch working loose. I haven't experienced any problems with the later version.
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on December 25, 2018, 09:33:57 AM
This is a really interesting documentary for Swiss-fans. Although it is in Swiss German, it is worth just scrolling through it as you can get the gist with the visuals.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dUUPO9z-cQ4&t=1s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dUUPO9z-cQ4&t=1s)

If you have ever been in a train over the Gotthard pass and looked upwards and thought to yourself 'who on earth does farming all the way up there?' this film demonstrates this.

It's a sad story though: Sepp Giesler the farmer lives on a farm with his family, with no road - only accesible by a tiny cable car - far above lake Uri and the northern ramp of the Gotthard railway, where he rears cattle.  Aged 62, he is one of the 'Wildheuer' - one who does haymaking on the precarious steep slopes above the cliffs, with no safety gear at all apart from climber's crampons on his boots.

The sad points in the film are when he has to take his young bull down to the valley to be slaughtered - he has to sit with it in the cable car (in order to sooth it), at the maximum weight allowance - all the way down the mountain!!!

Unfortunately Sepp does not feature in the last ten minutes of the film, as after 40 years of wild haymaking, he slips on the meadow (see the place at 39:02 - it's horrifying) and falls 300 meters to his death. His young daughter and her partner have now taken over the farm and they continue the wild haymaking.

So if you look up and see those neatly tended slopes, it's all because of the brave 'Wildheuer'.
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on December 25, 2018, 02:45:20 PM
Ballasting and track laying are progressing!


(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/72/7020-251218144432.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=72638)

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/72/7020-251218144454.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=72639)

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/72/7020-251218144517.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=72640)
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: mika on December 25, 2018, 03:43:41 PM
Hi Matt,

the photo of your 101 look very good and belies (is this a word?) the size of the layout. Well done on the ballasting as well.
Thanks for sharing.

Merry Christmas!
Michael
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: swisstrains on December 25, 2018, 07:02:29 PM
Looking good Matt.  :thumbsup:
Isn't it satisfying when it all starts to come together?
Will you be brush painting your rails?  I would think that air-brushing would be difficult to do without spoiling your "concrete" sleeper effect.
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on December 26, 2018, 11:30:27 AM
Hi Matt,

the photo of your 101 look very good and belies (is this a word?) the size of the layout. Well done on the ballasting as well.
Thanks for sharing.

Merry Christmas!
Michael

Thank you Michael, yes I like that photo. Happy Christmas to you too!

Matt  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on December 26, 2018, 11:31:50 AM
Looking good Matt.  :thumbsup:
Isn't it satisfying when it all starts to come together?
Will you be brush painting your rails?  I would think that air-brushing would be difficult to do without spoiling your "concrete" sleeper effect.

Thanks John, yes it sure is satisfying. I'll be going for the brush painting methinks. Should I use enamel, I notice that Tamiya acrylics don't stick to the rail that well?

Cheers
Matt
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: swisstrains on December 26, 2018, 11:57:59 AM
Yes Matt a matt :) enamel will be fine. I use Humbrol 98 but obviously the choice is yours. Many modellers like to use combinations of different colours.
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on December 26, 2018, 12:24:37 PM
Yes Matt a matt :) enamel will be fine. I use Humbrol 98 but obviously the choice is yours. Many modellers like to use combinations of different colours.

Grand, that's the way I'll go!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on December 30, 2018, 06:04:54 PM
A protoype question on push pull:

On the basis that front wheel drive and rear wheel drive cars peform differently, is this the same with trains? Is the torque/traction/braking/cornering etc. any different when pushing/pulling?  :hmmm:
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Train Waiting on December 30, 2018, 07:53:37 PM
Matt

In my view there is an important question about push-pull which attracted a lot of attention after a dreadful accident which occurred in 1984.

Here is a link to the report which makes interesting reading (there's a reference to the DB as well).

http://www.railwaysarchive.co.uk/documents/DoT_Polmont1984.pdf (http://www.railwaysarchive.co.uk/documents/DoT_Polmont1984.pdf)

I certainly know on the ECML electrics if I'm being pulled or pushed although in the absence of a 'blind test' this is very unscientific.

John
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on December 30, 2018, 08:18:22 PM
Matt

In my view there is an important question about push-pull which attracted a lot of attention after a dreadful accident which occurred in 1984.

Here is a link to the report which makes interesting reading (there's a reference to the DB as well).

[url]http://www.railwaysarchive.co.uk/documents/DoT_Polmont1984.pdf[/url] ([url]http://www.railwaysarchive.co.uk/documents/DoT_Polmont1984.pdf[/url])

I certainly know on the ECML electrics if I'm being pulled or pushed although in the absence of a 'blind test' this is very unscientific.

John


Hi John

That's a really interesting report, I did not know about that accident!

Cheers
Matt
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: grumbeast on January 07, 2019, 08:20:03 PM
dont know much about it, but I would imagine the forces are all different when pushing,

In other news, I'm glad to see you are scenicking a bit at a time, I've learned this lesson finally as I never seem to get to the scenery before I have to tear down a layout as I tend to do all of something at once.  This time, a section complete at a time so I get some satisfaction!
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on January 08, 2019, 02:39:08 PM
dont know much about it, but I would imagine the forces are all different when pushing,

In other news, I'm glad to see you are scenicking a bit at a time, I've learned this lesson finally as I never seem to get to the scenery before I have to tear down a layout as I tend to do all of something at once.  This time, a section complete at a time so I get some satisfaction!

Hi Grumbeast!

Thank you! Yes I quite like doing bits of scenicking at a time - gives more motivation to see it gradually come to life. And I like to play trains if possible when not building.

But, proceed with caution! - I'm discovering it can make it harder if you are needing to 'undo' any sections to make adjustments. If I was a robot, it would undoubtedly be much more efficient time and effort-wise to complete each stage one at a time - ie.e. get all track laid, get all track ballasted, then get on with scenery.

But, (at last check anyway), I'm not a robot.

Cheers
Matt
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on January 09, 2019, 02:17:44 PM
Nuts! My worst nightmare happened - I've had PVA leach into the tie-bar of a deeply embedded point. I must have got careless. Tried to rescue it but I'll have to replace it, it's fooked.

Pity, It was some of the neatest ballasting I've done so far. :'(


(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/73/7020-090119141740.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=73018)
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: dannyboy on January 09, 2019, 02:44:21 PM
Now that is what we in the hobby call a "Whoops" moment. (Or words to that effect  :)).
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: ntpntpntp on January 09, 2019, 06:27:11 PM
Oh no, that's another point you've killed isn't it   :'( ?    Should be possible to clean it out, has it gone in the point motor or just the tiebar?   Probably easier to do when not in situ.
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on January 09, 2019, 07:15:39 PM
Now that is what we in the hobby call a "Whoops" moment. (Or words to that effect  :)).

Yes, words to that effect!!! :D
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on January 09, 2019, 07:17:48 PM
Oh no, that's another point you've killed isn't it   :'( ?    Should be possible to clean it out, has it gone in the point motor or just the tiebar?   Probably easier to do when not in situ.

Yes, I am the proverbial slayer of points! T'was just the tie bar - a very thin bead of PVA, not even visible (I could just see it seeping around).

Actually, now I've torn it out it's started working ok again (seemingly). I've already ordered a replacement - typical! I either risk putting it back in or cut my lossess and put the new one in. Stress!
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on January 10, 2019, 07:59:28 AM
Ok this is the first one I've been able to rescue. Unlike Tamiya paint, PVA is at least water soluble. It can go back in!

Phew. :bounce:
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on January 11, 2019, 10:55:01 AM
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/73/7020-110119105131.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=73070)

This one's just for you John! I've added two matching Minitrix TEN cars to complete my rake. I managed to find them new online at https://www.modellbahn-klettke.de/ (https://www.modellbahn-klettke.de/) in Germany - I highly recommend them, payment by Paypal accepted and dispatch by DHL super fast and efficient.

At some future point I'll be adding a suitable 1970s loco.
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: swisstrains on January 11, 2019, 11:04:41 AM
Thanks for the photo Matt. The coaches look great together. Do you have any particular class of loco in mind?
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on January 11, 2019, 11:19:22 AM
Thanks for the photo Matt. The coaches look great together. Do you have any particular class of loco in mind?

Cheers John I'm super happy with them!

Loco-wise, it's going to be dependant on what comes up on Ebay in the next few months, but it'll probably be in the Green RE 4/4 or RE 6/6 ballpark or possibly DB-wise an BR110 in blue or blue/cream or DB103 or some such. I was even thinking a V200 in black and maroon although it's a tad early for the epoch. Well shall see! At the moment I've got a red DB101 towing them which is just silly, however it gets them moving in the interim  :D
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: swisstrains on January 11, 2019, 11:50:41 AM

……………... I've got a red DB101 towing them which is just silly, however it gets them moving in the interim  :D


As we always say...….It's your layout and you can do what you like. :P
You're obviously pleased with your purchase so until you can find a suitable loco it's much better to have the sleepers running on your layout than parked up in a siding. (or worse still, in their boxes)
I've certainly had some strange combinations running on my layout over the years. :D

Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on January 11, 2019, 12:28:19 PM

As we always say...….It's your layout and you can do what you like. :P
You're obviously pleased with your purchase so until you can find a suitable loco it's much better to have the sleepers running on your layout than parked up in a siding. (or worse still, in their boxes)
I've certainly had some strange combinations running on my layout over the years. :D

I agree totally!  :beers:
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on January 11, 2019, 12:44:41 PM
More PVA'ing today. Huge respect to those who have completed large layouts, this small one's taking forever! I suppose it's like reading a book - as in you want to reach the end but when you get there you wish you were working on something again!

It is very satisfying seeing finished sections of ballasting. Iv'e also layed in some disconnected track which is going to be a 'ghost' siding, all grown over and with a diorama-tye scene with a piece of rotting stock sitting on it.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/73/7020-110119124119.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=73072)

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/73/7020-110119124214.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=73073)
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: ntpntpntp on January 11, 2019, 12:49:37 PM
Maybe use a little less dilute PVA?  If it's leaking out from the ballast that much then perhaps that's how it's getting into points etc :-)
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on January 11, 2019, 12:55:46 PM
Maybe use a little less dilute PVA?  If it's leaking out from the ballast that much then perhaps that's how it's getting into points etc :-)

Good idea, you're right! :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Train Waiting on January 11, 2019, 01:45:08 PM
It's really good to see this layout coming to life.  Many thanks for the informative posts and good photographs.

John
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on January 11, 2019, 02:05:08 PM
It's really good to see this layout coming to life.  Many thanks for the informative posts and good photographs.

John

Thanks John, it's my pleasure! :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: swisstrains on January 11, 2019, 02:48:18 PM
……………….. Iv'e also layed in some disconnected track which is going to be a 'ghost' siding, all grown over and with a diorama-tye scene with a piece of rotting stock sitting on it.



That's a great idea Matt. I watch quite a few cabride videos on YouTube and there is certainly no shortage of disused sidings in Germany. There must be a fortune in scrap metal lying beneath those weeds.:)
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: weave on January 11, 2019, 05:30:58 PM
Hi Globi,

All looking good although agree you might have overdone it with the glue a bit.

Love the TEN sleeper coaches. Have got a couple of the SNCF (Nuit) and one FS (Notte) in blue but might have to get a Nacht one in red for colour. German tourists are always welcome on my layout.

Please don't think you're going too slow. A. Your overtaking me slightly and B. Don't rush it or you'll regret it. Got the T-shirt.

Always looking forward to more.

Cheers weave  :beers:
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on January 11, 2019, 06:17:14 PM
Hi Globi,

All looking good although agree you might have overdone it with the glue a bit.

Love the TEN sleeper coaches. Have got a couple of the SNCF (Nuit) and one FS (Notte) in blue but might have to get a Nacht one in red for colour. German tourists are always welcome on my layout.

Please don't think you're going too slow. A. Your overtaking me slightly and B. Don't rush it or you'll regret it. Got the T-shirt.

Always looking forward to more.

Cheers weave  :beers:

Hi Weave,

Thank you, glad you are one of the night train club also, so-to-speak! Yes those are wise words, I'll carry on taking my time.  :thumbsup:

Cheers
Matt
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: port perran on January 11, 2019, 06:18:22 PM
Just to join in it is all looking really good (except perhaps  the overindulgence with the glue).
It’s great to be able to follow your trials and tribulations as the layout develops.
All great fun.
Martin
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: ntpntpntp on January 12, 2019, 12:22:17 PM
Was watching this just now, it reminded me of your questions about push-pull.  A couple of times we see two Railjet push-pull sets paired together with one Taurus in the middle - not seen that before.

Also a tamper, a pair of Ludmillas on a long freight... all sorts of interest to we continental modellers.

Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on January 12, 2019, 01:23:05 PM
Just to join in it is all looking really good (except perhaps  the overindulgence with the glue).
It’s great to be able to follow your trials and tribulations as the layout develops.
All great fun.
Martin

Thanks Martin  :beers:. On this occasion my flood of glue dried without mishap. But I'll definitely use much less in future. On the plus side, my ballast could withstand a 20 megaton hydrogen bomb plast, always handy!

Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on January 12, 2019, 01:27:10 PM
Was watching this just now, it reminded me of your questions about push-pull.  A couple of times we see two Railjet push-pull sets paired together with one Taurus in the middle - not seen that before.

Also a tamper, a pair of Ludmillas on a long freight... all sorts of interest to we continental modellers.


That's a good vid! I've seen a video with a whole compilation of weird Railjet combos, which included: Czech Railjet loco with OBB carriages, OBB Railjet loco with Czech Railjet carriages, OBB Railjet with faded red OBB loco, OBB railjet with ordinary OBB carriages tagged on the end, OBB Railjet with random Taurus in the middle. It's almost like they've been inspired by 'Rule 1' model railway-ists!  :D
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: swisstrains on January 12, 2019, 06:44:12 PM
Was watching this just now, it reminded me of your questions about push-pull.  A couple of times we see two Railjet push-pull sets paired together with one Taurus in the middle - not seen that before.

Also a tamper, a pair of Ludmillas on a long freight... all sorts of interest to we continental modellers.



I like Holzi's videos. Thanks for the link Nick although I must confess to misunderstanding your description. I was expecting to see a single Taurus pulling/pushing two 7 coach Railjet sets. :-[
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on January 15, 2019, 08:30:42 AM
I've revised my PVA'ing technique somewhat. The track on the right is freshly wet and setting....  :angel:


(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/73/7020-150119082917.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=73182)
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: swisstrains on January 15, 2019, 08:55:54 AM
Despite the small problems you have had I really think the results are looking good.
I have tried using a syringe when ballasting but always found it difficult to control for small amounts of PVA.
I prefer to use a glass medicine/eye dropper.
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: ntpntpntp on January 15, 2019, 08:59:03 AM
I have tried using a syringe when ballasting but always found it difficult to control for small amounts of PVA.
I prefer to use a glass medicine/eye dropper.

I was about to write the same thing - I use a plastic pipette rather than a syringe.  They're readily available on "tool stands" at shows (and of course on ebay etc.)   I usually by a new pack every year or so, for about £1. Canterbury show this weekend so probably time to get some more  :D

This kind of thing:
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/10-x-3ML-DISPOSABLE-PASTEUR-PIPETTES-GRADUATED/160994835497?hash=item257c0a3c29:g:jCIAAOxyCepSc4tS:rk:12:pf:0 (https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/10-x-3ML-DISPOSABLE-PASTEUR-PIPETTES-GRADUATED/160994835497?hash=item257c0a3c29:g:jCIAAOxyCepSc4tS:rk:12:pf:0)
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on January 15, 2019, 09:05:19 AM
Hi Nick and John,

Yes I agree with both of you, it is difficult to control the syringe. I'll get hold of some of those eye droppers!

Cheers  :beers: :thumbsup:
Matt
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on January 16, 2019, 09:31:42 AM
Morning all,

I've got a question. I've laid a thin layer of grey plaster down on my goods yard and sanded it back to a smooth finish. I like the textures but it's all rather to light in colour so I'll need to paint it (to represent compacted dust or tarmac). I want a really matt finish, not sure which type of paint though.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/73/7020-160119093213.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=73202)

I've ruled these out:
1. Tamiya matt paints - too expensive for large areas like this
2. Household matt emulsion - still slightly glossy
3. Artists' acrylics - too glossy

So i'm thinking of options like:
1. Artists' gouache (but it won't dry water resistant)
2. Hobbycraft powder paint/premixed type stuff, which is what I've been mixing into the plaster.
3. Artists' acrylics followed by coat of matt varnish (bit long-winded applying this and hairs can get stuck in it etc.)

Any tips appreciated! It will be brush applied then scumbled and scuffed up. :hmmm:

Cheers
Matt

Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: dannyboy on January 16, 2019, 09:37:57 AM
I am sure I have read somewhere, that sprinkling talcum powder onto wet paint will give a matte finish, but I have never tried this, so can not say whether it would work or not.
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: swisstrains on January 16, 2019, 10:30:04 AM
Is it a dull day or a sunny day on your layout? :D I don't think what you have now looks particularly out of place for stone/concrete based material on a sunny day. Obviously the colour of the yard will also be determined to some extent by the activities taking place there but that's something that can be added later.
For this type of area I tend to use the cheap pre-mixed powder paint that shops such as "The Works" sell for kids. I just keep mixing colours until I get what I want. I imagine the paints that I use are similar to the Hobbycraft ones that you have already used.
I did try David's talcum powder trick once but found that the results were a bit too "textured" for N gauge although it would probably look OK in the larger scales.

Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on January 16, 2019, 11:18:14 AM
Is it a dull day or a sunny day on your layout? :D I don't think what you have now looks particularly out of place for stone/concrete based material on a sunny day. Obviously the colour of the yard will also be determined to some extent by the activities taking place there but that's something that can be added later.
For this type of area I tend to use the cheap pre-mixed powder paint that shops such as "The Works" sell for kids. I just keep mixing colours until I get what I want. I imagine the paints that I use are similar to the Hobbycraft ones that you have already used.
I did try David's talcum powder trick once but found that the results were a bit too "textured" for N gauge although it would probably look OK in the larger scales.

Well I'm aiming for sunny spells with a light westerly wind  :D

I may just leave it actually, otherwise I'll use the cheapy paints you suggest!

Cheers
Matt
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: ntpntpntp on January 16, 2019, 12:44:31 PM
Most probably I would use my thinned down Tamiya acrylics which I keep for blending scenery, trackwork etc. Airbruhing will only need a thin coat.
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: daffy on January 16, 2019, 02:00:53 PM
Matt, for future similar areas, one trick you could try is to add coloured powder paints to your plaster as you mix it, thereby getting a good basic colour down. You could then add subsequent colour as required to the finished area to get a non-uniform look.

 As with rock and cliff scenery plasterwork done this way, any areas subsequently damaged won’t show up as glaring white.
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on January 16, 2019, 02:09:23 PM
Most probably I would use my thinned down Tamiya acrylics which I keep for blending scenery, trackwork etc. Airbruhing will only need a thin coat.

Ah yes thinning the Tamiyas down could work well! Cheers  :beers:
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on January 16, 2019, 02:10:26 PM
Matt, for future similar areas, one trick you could try is to add coloured powder paints to your plaster as you mix it, thereby getting a good basic colour down. You could then add subsequent colour as required to the finished area to get a non-uniform look.

 As with rock and cliff scenery plasterwork done this way, any areas subsequently damaged won’t show up as glaring white.

That's a good tip Daffy! Cheers  8) :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: grumbeast on January 16, 2019, 06:07:02 PM
This is looking really good and is inspiring me to get on with my layout more.  Don't worry about going too slowly, as I've learned that I shouldn't rush

cant wait to see more, I should really start a thread myself
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on January 17, 2019, 10:22:15 AM
I was browsing on Ebay for a retro 1970s electric loco for my TEN night train rake. But my finger accidentally slipped and I bought this RTS Diesellok instead (talk about Rule No. 1)!

I've popped in a Zimo direct plug decoder. I made a little Tamiya masking tape insulation pad, to stop the decoder touching the main PCB by accident.

On initial testing she seems to run beautifully! :bounce:

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/73/7020-170119102034.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=73232)


(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/73/7020-170119102102.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=73233)

Anybody want me to ship some cargo for them? :D

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/73/7020-170119104702.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=73234)
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: swisstrains on January 17, 2019, 11:32:00 AM
That's a great looking loco Matt. I see you are now starting to encompass Austria.
Have you seen the Fleischmann 4 panto RTS Swietelsky Taurus?
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on January 17, 2019, 11:37:53 AM
That's a great looking loco Matt. I see you are now starting to encompass Austria.
Have you seen the Fleischmann 4 panto RTS Swietelsky Taurus?

Thank you John! Yes I've seen that multisystem loco whilst browsing - I love Tauruses (Tauri?), will certainly be keeping my eye out for any used ones. In the meantime I'm happy enough sputtering my imaginary diesel fumes over the alpine landscape  :D

Cheers
Matt
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: ntpntpntp on January 17, 2019, 12:50:17 PM
Well you need diesels as you have no catenary   :D  :D
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on January 17, 2019, 02:23:32 PM
Well you need diesels as you have no catenary   :D  :D

LOL yes indeed Nick, as I'm painfully aware! Not to worry though, it shall appear (as if by magic) as a later phase. ;D
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: grumbeast on January 17, 2019, 05:01:59 PM
Aaah Catenary, the great challenge for all continental layouts :)  cant wait to see what you do with the overhead.  I was lucky enough to find a box of old nice catenary and wire at a show in Vancouver for CDN$50  Its in good shape, but I'm not sure if I'll use the wires or just the masts.  What do you plan on doing?

Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: ntpntpntp on January 17, 2019, 06:09:16 PM
.. I'm not sure if I'll use the wires or just the masts.

I've seen a few layouts which just have the masts and no wires, the argument being that the wires are pretty much invisible from normal viewing distances.

Personally I like the effect of the pantographs riding the wires, so my layout has a full installation using the old Vollmer and Minitrix stuff in the scenic sections. I don't bother to energise it though, and have no "knitting" in the storage yard.   It's definitely overscale but robust enough to have survived 70+ exhibitions over 20+ years.


(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/73/5885-170119180546.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=73249)



(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/73/5885-170119180812.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=73250)
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: ntpntpntp on January 17, 2019, 06:11:46 PM
Hmm... what's this Spanish electric unit doing in Germany??  :D  :D

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/73/5885-170119181138.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=73251)
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: grumbeast on January 17, 2019, 06:20:10 PM
Great looking layout!  I'm going to see if I can manage to get the wire to work just for fun.  Seeing a continental layout at a show in I think Carmarthen many many years ago is what got me into European railways.  I still remember this Swiss croc coming of a tunnel and the panto moving up and down against the wire.. I was hooked!  it was so cool to see
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: daffy on January 17, 2019, 07:23:45 PM
I have to admit that the reason I will only have representative catenary masts (not as many as would be seen, plus no wires) one day is cost. Even with the cheaper masts a whole set-up will somewhat eat the budget, which I’d rather use for rolling stock and scenics.

That’s even though I would agree that locos running around with pantographs raised look a bit daft without having something for them to engage with, or just appear to engage with. As your layout proves Nick, full catenary in place does look so much better.

And I look forward to seeing catenary appearing on your layout Matt.
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on January 18, 2019, 06:17:54 PM
Aaah Catenary, the great challenge for all continental layouts :)  cant wait to see what you do with the overhead.  I was lucky enough to find a box of old nice catenary and wire at a show in Vancouver for CDN$50  Its in good shape, but I'm not sure if I'll use the wires or just the masts.  What do you plan on doing?

I'm going to use HO rail to make masts, probably soldered. Most likely I'll have no wires. We'll see, like I say, that's going to be the final phase of the project.

Cheers
Matt
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on January 18, 2019, 06:19:40 PM
I have to admit that the reason I will only have representative catenary masts (not as many as would be seen, plus no wires) one day is cost. Even with the cheaper masts a whole set-up will somewhat eat the budget, which I’d rather use for rolling stock and scenics.

That’s even though I would agree that locos running around with pantographs raised look a bit daft without having something for them to engage with, or just appear to engage with. As your layout proves Nick, full catenary in place does look so much better.

And I look forward to seeing catenary appearing on your layout Matt.

Likewise Daffy, I just can't be spedning a zillion pounds (or a gizillion euros) on pre-made catenary!!!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: swisstrains on January 18, 2019, 09:25:12 PM
Whether or not to add wires to the masts is a question that crops up regularly. Personally I think that the type of layout plays a big part in answering the question. There is no doubt that a pantograph riding the wires looks good but to obtain that effect requires a fully wired overhead system that is substantial enough to withstand the forces exerted on it. In N Gauge, unless you have the skills to design and build your own, this invariably means overscale masts and wires and whilst you can get away with this on a large exhibition layout with predominantly straight tracks the catenary starts to look overpowering on a small home layout.  Even in N Gauge many of us still have unrealistically sharp curves on our layouts and the number of masts required to fully wire one of these curves only serves to emphasise their existence.
On my last Swiss layout, like Nick, I used fully wired Vollmer catenary and although it wasn’t really the correct style I didn’t think it looked too bad. That was probably because most of the visible track was straight with the curves hidden in tunnels. When I started on my current layout I had every intention of using the correct style Sommerfeldt catenary, once again fully wired and although I later abandoned the idea all my tunnels still contain the solid catenary that the visible wires were going to link to. I started to install the masts and wiring on one of my curves and was amazed at just how many were required to get a fully functioning system. I thought it looked awful and immediately decided to abandon the idea of a fully wired operating system and just use masts and gantries to create the impression of an electrified railway. The masts can now be virtually correct scale and because they do not need to carry wires you can cheat to some extent and space them further apart than they would normally be. As it happens more and more locos are now being sold with pantographs that either won’t track along overhead wires or are too flimsy to do so without being damaged so I don’t feel too bad about losing my wires. :no:
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: grumbeast on January 18, 2019, 10:00:49 PM
Thats a very good bit of advice John, thanks for sharing it.  Thats whats great here is that we can get opinions from people who have actually tried what we're attempting!

Cheers

 Graham
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: ntpntpntp on January 18, 2019, 10:24:48 PM
As it happens more and more locos are now being sold with pantographs that either won’t track along overhead wires or are too flimsy to do so without being damaged

Yes that is definitely a phenomenon I've encountered too: newer models with finer and narrower panto heads.  I have to be careful to try any new loco slowly round the layout to make sure the head doesn't fall off the wire or catch at pointwork. On a couple of locos I've actually replaced the panto heads with older style wider Sommerfeldt heads.

I tried to stick to reasonable curves on the scenic section of my line. This curve which also incorporates a crossover and other pointwork is one place where there are more masts than I'd like, but I wanted to avoid any need to actually curve the wires (that's so unrealistic looking in my eyes).

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/73/5885-180119221950.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=73290)

Hmm  Swiss trains have definitely invaded Germany in these photos I've been posting   :D    I do love these old Hobbytrain units though.

Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on January 19, 2019, 07:03:04 AM
Whether or not to add wires to the masts is a question that crops up regularly. Personally I think that the type of layout plays a big part in answering the question.

That's really interesting John to hear of your experiences with this. I have to admit I figured that sharp curves were going to a problem and had therefore already mentally ruled out having wires. Now I know they would definitely be a big problem.

I think layouts look really good without the wires, as per John's. I have no problem with running locos with the pantographs down. :beers:
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on January 19, 2019, 07:08:46 AM
As it happens more and more locos are now being sold with pantographs that either won’t track along overhead wires or are too flimsy to do so without being damaged

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/73/5885-180119221950.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=73290)

Hmm  Swiss trains have definitely invaded Germany in these photos I've been posting   :D    I do love these old Hobbytrain units though.

That shot is Eurocity-grey-mouse-tastic! I remember travelling on a grey mouse from Zürich to Milan many moons ago. It had electrically operated blinds on each window, something I found very impressive!
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: swisstrains on January 19, 2019, 09:23:13 AM
............….Hmm  Swiss trains have definitely invaded Germany in these photos I've been posting   :D    I do love these old Hobbytrain units though.


Yes Nick, great models although the inter-car connectors on the earlier versions could be a bit temperamental. They were from the days when Hobbytrain locos really were made by Kato. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: swisstrains on January 19, 2019, 09:26:39 AM
……………..………...
Hmm  Swiss trains have definitely invaded Germany in these photos I've been posting   :D    I do love these old Hobbytrain units though.

That shot is Eurocity-grey-mouse-tastic! I remember travelling on a grey mouse from Zürich to Milan many moons ago. It had electrically operated blinds on each window, something I found very impressive!

I also thought the "Grey Mouse" was fantastic Matt. It was one of the first models that I bought when I started modelling the Swiss scene.
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: port perran on January 19, 2019, 09:57:15 AM
Even though this is not my area or era (by any means) I’m following your trials and tribulations with interest.
One thing I’d add re catenary is that if you are as ham fisted as I am , any catenary and wires wouldn’t last 5 mins without being destroyed  by the “hand of god”. I have enough troubles with telegraph poles and signals (without any wires).
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: ntpntpntp on January 19, 2019, 10:30:50 AM
great models although the inter-car connectors on the earlier versions could be a bit temperamental. They were from the days when Hobbytrain locos really were made by Kato. :thumbsup:

I stripped and rebuilt both of my sets. A lot of the problems were actually down to the typical "clip-fit" nature of Kato chassis components, so I made sure the entire electrical path was properly soldered up. I also made some minor changes to the wiring scheme to allow the central power car to be fed from either half (they no longer require the entire set to be connected up).

I'm still contemplating fitting some sort of alternative micro connector plugs but that would require rather more drastic surgery and I'm reluctant to hack them about too much, especially as the TEE set is the very example which I remember lusting over in the display cabinet of our local little model shop in the late 80s (I bought it later on as a 2nd hand item).
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on January 19, 2019, 04:32:23 PM

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/73/7020-190119162850.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=73305)

The N Gauge Forum Service Van. There to oversee quality is kept to a high level! :D
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on January 19, 2019, 04:55:33 PM

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/73/7020-190119165414.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=73306)

The final phase of my layout will be to add lighting - I'll need to learn all the required skills - I just love the effect of low light on scenes like loco yards!
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on January 25, 2019, 03:55:45 PM
These just came up on the DB Instagram, quite unique!

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/73/7020-250119155455.png) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=73537)

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/73/7020-250119155516.png) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=73538)
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: swisstrains on January 26, 2019, 09:31:54 AM
It's the "Noah's Train" project where some of the more artistic graffiti artists are being encouraged to show their skills legally. This feature on the Railcolor website explains it in a bit more detail.

https://railcolornews.com/2019/01/24/eu-rail-freight-forward-eu-railfreight-operators-present-noahs-train/
 (https://railcolornews.com/2019/01/24/eu-rail-freight-forward-eu-railfreight-operators-present-noahs-train/)


It would certainly make a colourful model.
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on January 26, 2019, 09:57:54 AM
It's the "Noah's Train" project where some of the more artistic graffiti artists are being encouraged to show their skills legally. This feature on the Railcolor website explains it in a bit more detail.

https://railcolornews.com/2019/01/24/eu-rail-freight-forward-eu-railfreight-operators-present-noahs-train/
 (https://railcolornews.com/2019/01/24/eu-rail-freight-forward-eu-railfreight-operators-present-noahs-train/)


It would certainly make a colourful model.

Ah interesting - yes it would indeed make a colourful model. I really like this concept from DB! 8)
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on January 31, 2019, 11:04:16 AM
Soldering has commenced!

I think the last time I soldered would have been at school in 1996 or thereabouts!

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/73/7020-310119110154.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=73722)

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/73/7020-310119110218.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=73723)

They are quite short dropper wires which will be popped into suitcase connectors when I put the bus wire in.

I've used lead solder for maximum possible toxicity. And I managed to stab my finger with the knife used to wire-strip. And I burned my thumb wiping tarnish off the iron. Apart for that all seems ok. :D
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Gizzy on January 31, 2019, 11:21:54 AM
You seem to have left a lot of unsheathed wire there Globi? About 10mm of insulation?

I would have only stripped about 2-3 mm of insulation from the wire, tinned it, tinned the rail, then soldered it all together.

I would also have drilled the hole for the dropper wire as close to the rail as possible, between the sleepers if possible.

You really don't want to see hardly any wire/insulation.

I'm not trying to criticise; well done for giving soldering a go as I know many who wouldn't even attempt to do so....
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: swisstrains on January 31, 2019, 11:27:30 AM
Hi Matt. Good to see that work on the Globibahn is progressing well. I was beginning to get worried by the lack of updates.

"I've used lead solder for maximum possible toxicity. And I managed to stab my finger with the knife used to wire-strip. And I burned my thumb wiping tarnish off the iron. Apart for that all seems ok."




I still prefer the old stuff and as for the personal injuries...…….join the clan. :D :D
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on January 31, 2019, 11:30:42 AM
You seem to have left a lot of unsheathed wire there Globi? About 10mm of insulation?

I would have only stripped about 2-3 mm of insulation from the wire, tinned it, tinned the rail, then soldered it all together.

I would also have drilled the hole for the dropper wire as close to the rail as possible, between the sleepers if possible.

You really don't want to see hardly any wire/insulation.

I'm not trying to criticise; well done for giving soldering a go as I know many who wouldn't even attempt to do so....

Thanks for the tips, that's all useful! I can move the holes nearer the rails and hide more of that unsheathed wire....

Cheers
Matt :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: swisstrains on January 31, 2019, 11:38:16 AM
………...
I would also have drilled the hole for the dropper wire as close to the rail as possible, between the sleepers if possible.

You really don't want to see hardly any wire/insulation...…….

Yes, you should be able to reposition the holes closer to the point of soldering without too many problems and it will certainly look neater.


I'm not trying to criticise; well done for giving soldering a go as I know many who wouldn't even attempt to do so....


I couldn't agree more. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on January 31, 2019, 11:48:56 AM
Hi Matt. Good to see that work on the Globibahn is progressing well. I was beginning to get worried by the lack of updates.

Thanks John, yes work is still very much afoot on the Globibahn- however, I had a bit of a low point after frying the decoder in my newly aquired RTS diesel loco (I'm still waiting to hear back from the repair place). It was a silly thing, the loco derailed and stopped working, then I tinkered with it and applied power to the motor contact terminals with the decoder still plugged in :doh:. Very sensible.

Also the last quarter of my oval of double track doesn't quite true up, so I think I'm going to have to use some flex track to hide a few sins, luckily it's mostly under the tunnel (I am getting a bit tired of the track laying truth-be-told). Actually it will give me a chance to practice with flex track, something not yet attempted. The station siding is also going in. Once that's done I can work on a retaining wall and high ground at the back of the station, which will be more enjoyable for me! Oh yes, I'm also working on the buffer stop kits.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/73/7020-310119114303.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=73724)

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/73/7020-310119114329.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=73725)

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/73/7020-310119114747.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=73726)
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on January 31, 2019, 11:50:07 AM

I couldn't agree more. :thumbsup:

Thank you!  :) :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on January 31, 2019, 12:07:01 PM
Ok take 2 - holes moved between sleepers! :claphappy:


(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/73/7020-310119120650.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=73728)
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: dannyboy on January 31, 2019, 12:09:22 PM
Had to look twice for the holes! That looks so much better.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on January 31, 2019, 01:29:25 PM
Had to look twice for the holes! That looks so much better.  :thumbsup:

Cheers yes big improvement - I've also done a test setup with my suitcase connectors, pleased to say it all works ok! Phew!


(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/73/7020-310119132920.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=73731)
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on February 01, 2019, 01:30:57 PM
More wiring this morning.

1. wiring chaos on the layout  :D:
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/73/7020-010219132729.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=73756)

2. wiring chaos under the layout:

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/73/7020-010219132804.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=73757)

3. My 4 main feeder sites:

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/73/7020-010219132836.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=73758)


(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/73/7020-010219132913.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=73759)


(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/73/7020-010219132933.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=73760)


(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/73/7020-010219132951.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=73761)

I love the simplicity of the suitcase connectors, highly recommended! Also I have discovered I love soldering  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on February 01, 2019, 04:56:27 PM
Here's a question actually, for this size of layout should my + - bus wires be closed-off loops? At the moment they're just A to B, if you get what I mean. :hmmm:
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: ntpntpntp on February 01, 2019, 06:58:51 PM
Some folk say the bus should be open ended, but a lot of it is theoretical and based on the effects you *might* get on a really large layout like some of the american clubs have.  On your little layout it will make no difference at all, and remember you've created a loop with the actual rails anyway.

Your solder joints are looking much better than the originals, though you've still got the actual solder joint a sleeper or two further over from the hole so you end up with the red and black showing. Much less visible if you make the solder joint directly above the hole.
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: grumbeast on February 01, 2019, 09:09:17 PM
looking good!  I'm rubbish at soldering but I know what you mean about it being quite fun

Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on February 04, 2019, 03:04:25 PM
looking good!  I'm rubbish at soldering but I know what you mean about it being quite fun

Thank you! :)
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on February 04, 2019, 03:05:24 PM
Some folk say the bus should be open ended, but a lot of it is theoretical and based on the effects you *might* get on a really large layout like some of the american clubs have.  On your little layout it will make no difference at all, and remember you've created a loop with the actual rails anyway.

Your solder joints are looking much better than the originals, though you've still got the actual solder joint a sleeper or two further over from the hole so you end up with the red and black showing. Much less visible if you make the solder joint directly above the hole.

Ok cool that makes life easier  :)

Lesson learned for next time, I'll see if I can hide the soldering even more!
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on February 04, 2019, 03:14:10 PM
I have finally commenced work on another scenic element, which is the retaining wall behind the station. Just getting the skeletal structure worked out.

Track wiring is complete, however I've still got several connectors left over so I may actually power each of the sidings. Probabaly overkill, but I think I'll do it anyway.

Small detail; I've also replaced some ballast in patches where it had drawn up water-based marker pen ink from the cork below  :doh:

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/73/7020-040219151040.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=73832)

I'm going to do the final corner of my track oval in flex track, as the curve pieces don't marry that smoothly and it bugs me.
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: port perran on February 04, 2019, 05:15:34 PM
Looks good.
What will you be making that retaining wall out of please?
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on February 04, 2019, 05:26:25 PM
Looks good.
What will you be making that retaining wall out of please?

Hi, I'm going to cut sections of grey card, then paint and weather to represent concrete. It's to fit in with the 1980s style station. I'll be having a few advertising billboards on there too, should have some fun doing the adverts! :D
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: swisstrains on February 04, 2019, 09:29:46 PM
Hi Matt. Personally I don't like the idea of using cardboard for such a large expanse of wall. I think you could get some warping especially if you use plaster bandage for the terrain behind the wall and the cardboard absorbs some of the moisture.
Having said that, I assume that part of your tunnel portals are cardboard (although only a small amount) and the concrete effect you have created looks really good. Could you possibly do any "wet work" first and then add the cardboard later just in case the larger amount of cardboard does distort? Some sort of framework behind the cardboard wouldn't go amiss either.
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on February 05, 2019, 07:57:53 AM
Hi Matt. Personally I don't like the idea of using cardboard for such a large expanse of wall. I think you could get some warping especially if you use plaster bandage for the terrain behind the wall and the cardboard absorbs some of the moisture.
Having said that, I assume that part of your tunnel portals are cardboard (although only a small amount) and the concrete effect you have created looks really good. Could you possibly do any "wet work" first and then add the cardboard later just in case the larger amount of cardboard does distort? Some sort of framework behind the cardboard wouldn't go amiss either.

Thanks John, that had not occured to me at all - thanks for pointing it out! I'll put in a framework to prevent warping  :hmmm: :hmmm: :hmmm:
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on February 05, 2019, 03:46:07 PM
Some sort of framework behind the cardboard wouldn't go amiss either.

Okeycokey, here's the new solution! A section of Hornby OO track and fairly thick styrene supports glued with contact adhesive. I envisage gluing this all firmly in place to the baseboard, gluing the concrete slabs in front to the rails and building up any terrain/wet work behind, with a thin gap in between that can be filled as a final touch.  8)

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/73/7020-050219154123.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=73857)



(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/73/7020-050219154201.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=73858)



(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/73/7020-050219154227.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=73859)
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: swisstrains on February 05, 2019, 04:16:26 PM
That track certainly makes a good support for your retaining wall...….I hope you didn't have to buy it because if you did it might have been just as cheap to use the polystyrene sheet for the retaining wall and forget the cardboard. ???
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: port perran on February 05, 2019, 04:24:48 PM
Ingenious solution.
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on February 05, 2019, 04:30:06 PM
That track certainly makes a good support for your retaining wall...….I hope you didn't have to buy it because if you did it might have been just as cheap to use the polystyrene sheet for the retaining wall and forget the cardboard. ???

Hi John, nope it was all stuff knocking about. The advantage of grey board is that it has a subtle texture, so although I agree styrene could be used, I think I'll stick with the board. We'll see what happens!
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on February 05, 2019, 04:30:48 PM
Ingenious solution.

Thank you  :angel:
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on February 05, 2019, 04:36:03 PM
Oh, quick question - what is the polarity of sidings? Is it the same as the adjacent track?  :hmmm: :confused2:
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: ntpntpntp on February 05, 2019, 05:52:35 PM
Oh, quick question - what is the polarity of sidings? Is it the same as the adjacent track?  :hmmm: :confused2:

Think about it - at some point the rails in the sidings will join up to the main line, so the polarity has to match that :D
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on February 05, 2019, 05:58:51 PM
Oh, quick question - what is the polarity of sidings? Is it the same as the adjacent track?  :hmmm: :confused2:

Think about it - at some point the rails in the sidings will join up to the main line, so the polarity has to match that :D

Ah yes, when you put it like that, I see what you mean   ;D
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: swisstrains on February 05, 2019, 08:56:46 PM
………….. The advantage of grey board is that it has a subtle texture,...…………………..

That's very true. There's something about the texture of card that lends itself to concrete structures especially when weathered.
Will you be using card for your station building?
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on February 05, 2019, 09:50:09 PM
………….. The advantage of grey board is that it has a subtle texture,...…………………..

That's very true. There's something about the texture of card that lends itself to concrete structures especially when weathered.
Will you be using card for your station building?

It's funny you should raise that John. As it happens, I have bought the styrene to make the station (my original intention), however I'm probably going to use the grey board instead due to A)texture and B) the station is going to be a real focal point so there will probably be lots of tweaking/perfecting, which is easier with grey board methinks, as is stuff like window cutting. And it comes in longer lengths which is better for long slab-like roof sections. Er and it's basically free. :D
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on February 05, 2019, 09:56:18 PM
Deep-fried RTS Swieltsky diesel Lok update!

DCC Train Automation have got back to me. They have saved the day! The motor was malfunctioning (smoking) simply due to needing a deep clean. It's been stripped to bare bones, cleaned and oiled, put back together and amazingly the chip was fine due to Zimos having pretty good short protection. It's being posted back to me tomorrow so I can finally be reunited. :bounce:

I think for my next loco I may just take the plunge and buy new. Or if I buy second hand, I'll send it off to be serviced as a first action.
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on February 06, 2019, 11:33:40 AM
Here's the general idea with the now hopefully warp-proof retaining wall:


(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/73/7020-060219113232.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=73884)

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/73/7020-060219113249.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=73885)
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: swisstrains on February 06, 2019, 11:45:36 AM
Looks good to me Matt.
I'm sure that you can make a very convincing concrete wall with your artistic skills.
Your tunnel and now this feature is really starting to make it look like a real layout. Great work.
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on February 06, 2019, 04:11:26 PM
Looks good to me Matt.
I'm sure that you can make a very convincing concrete wall with your artistic skills.
Your tunnel and now this feature is really starting to make it look like a real layout. Great work.

Thank you John, yes this addition should hopefully pull things together a bit more!

Matt  :beers:
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on February 07, 2019, 03:22:50 PM
Got my RTS loco back, hurrah! Nice to have the locos reunited at last.

I've been soldering again today, I've powered each siding with it's own supply. So I now have no less than 12 pairs of connectors feeding the track: 8 pairs on the main lines and 4 pairs on the sidings. Everything running very smoothly on the Globibahn.

I've also assembled my buffer kits - I've sprayed them with base coat, they just need weathering.


(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/73/7020-070219152146.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=73916)

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/73/7020-070219152202.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=73917)
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on February 08, 2019, 09:08:26 PM
As mentioned previously, the final corner of my oval is now to be flex track, so I can hide a few small misalignment issues. I've found soldering the flex track to the conventional track a little troublesome. I found it not very easy at all to get the solder to bond to the joiner as well as both ends of the rails to be joined and was only partially succesful in doing so. 3 of the 4 joints held ok but one of the joints did spring open again which was a nuisance.  :hmmm: Anyway overall it's been good enough for the purpose of gluing the track down, but not as good as I hoped.  :hmmm:

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/73/7020-080219210442.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=73965)

Obviously, when I do my 'grown up' layout one day I'll need to become a master of flex track.
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: swisstrains on February 08, 2019, 09:26:39 PM
Any particular reason why you soldered the track together Matt?
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on February 08, 2019, 09:48:53 PM
Any particular reason why you soldered the track together Matt?

Hi John, just because I find the flex track a bit liable to pop out of the joiners when bending it. Thought it would make it easier if it was more strongly joined (i.e. by soldering).

I know that you have to solder flex track if you're bending a large arc (i.e. of 2 pieces), so I though the same may apply here, even though my corner is shorter than 1 length of flex track.
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: ntpntpntp on February 08, 2019, 10:06:12 PM
Shouldn't be necessary to solder the joints just to keep them in place.  Pre-bend the track to the required curve, if one rail particularly wants to extend then mark and cut that to length before you lay the track.  Use map pins or similar to hold the track roughly in the shape of the curve while you work and while you join the two sections.

If you feel you must solder the joints, make sure you clean the rail ends first.  Make sure the iron is touching and heating the joiner and the rails at the same time -  apply a little solder to the bit so that it melts and contacts the parts allowing the heat to flow.    Presumably you're using electrical solder with a flux core, that should be sufficient but you can try a tiny amount of additional flux if it helps.
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on February 09, 2019, 07:46:52 AM

If you feel you must solder the joints, make sure you clean the rail ends first.  Make sure the iron is touching and heating the joiner and the rails at the same time -  apply a little solder to the bit so that it melts and contacts the parts allowing the heat to flow.    Presumably you're using electrical solder with a flux core, that should be sufficient but you can try a tiny amount of additional flux if it helps.

Cheers Nick  :thumbsup: Yes I've got some really suitable flux/solder etc. If I ever need to do it again I'll follow your tips! Otherwise I'll just avoid doing it like you say.
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on February 09, 2019, 07:49:49 AM
Here's an unusual new problem. The flex track has gone in very well and I'm pleased with it. However this corner of my track no longer goes 'clickety clack' like the others which are made from curved sections. This is sort of noticeable to me. Should I just live with it, or should I use a razor blade to cut small incisions in the tops of the rails to match the rest of the corners of my oval? Would that damage train wheels in any way?  :hmmm:
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: swisstrains on February 09, 2019, 09:16:02 AM
Hi Matt. If it is really bugging you I see no reason why you shouldn't make small cuts in the railhead as you suggest. Make sure that there are no burrs on the running surface of the rails and it will be no different than any other joints.
To make your layout more realistic you could do away with the clickety-clack altogether and create continuously welded rails by soldering ALL your joints...........No, No, this is a joke, forget I said it!!!! :sorrysign:
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on February 09, 2019, 09:34:33 AM
Hi Matt. If it is really bugging you I see no reason why you shouldn't make small cuts in the railhead as you suggest. Make sure that there are no burrs on the running surface of the rails and it will be no different than any other joints.
To make your layout more realistic you could do away with the clickety-clack altogether and create continuously welded rails by soldering ALL your joints...........No, No, this is a joke, forget I said it!!!! :sorrysign:

Cheers John, I think I'll leave it for now and maybe do it later if I still notice it!

In addition to your other suggestion, I could build up concrete molds around all the joints in my layout, fill them with sand and then pour in molten red hot solder. When it sets I'll hack off the paritally molten sand and then angle grind each join down to smooth..... should come up lovely! :laughabovepost:
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: swisstrains on February 09, 2019, 09:50:54 AM

Cheers John, I think I'll leave it for now and maybe do it later if I still notice it!

In addition to your other suggestion, I could build up concrete molds around all the joints in my layout, fill them with sand and then pour in molten red hot solder. When it sets I'll hack off the paritally molten sand and then angle grind each join down to smooth..... should come up lovely! :laughabovepost:

Two things. Try not to melt your sleepers and be careful with that angle grinder. The sparks will ruin your carpet :D
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: ntpntpntp on February 09, 2019, 10:25:32 AM
Some people who enjoy the clickety-clack have certainly gone for cutting fine slots in the rail head of flexi track. I think I'd be concerned it creates another dirt trap though.
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: swisstrains on February 09, 2019, 10:35:29 AM
Some people who enjoy the clickety-clack have certainly gone for cutting fine slots in the rail head of flexi track. I think I'd be concerned it creates another dirt trap though.
I agree Nick but when your layout is predominantly sectional track a few more “joints” aren’t going to make much difference.
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on February 09, 2019, 10:47:14 AM

Two things. Try not to melt your sleepers and be careful with that angle grinder. The sparks will ruin your carpet :D

Lol   :D  :smiley-laughing: the carpet's already got paint stains etc.!!!
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on February 09, 2019, 10:47:59 AM
Some people who enjoy the clickety-clack have certainly gone for cutting fine slots in the rail head of flexi track. I think I'd be concerned it creates another dirt trap though.

That's good to know that it's do-able, cheers Nick! :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on February 09, 2019, 10:48:39 AM
I agree Nick but when your layout is predominantly sectional track a few more “joints” aren’t going to make much difference.

Yes, agreed.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on February 09, 2019, 11:00:28 AM
This Rietze Citaro Post Coach was a bargain on Ebay. The Rietze Audi cars were randomly only £4 each on Amazon, rather pleased with this haul!

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/73/7020-090219105819.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=73972)

I've also made my controller look a bit tidier and given it a docking station (well, it's just a screw actually, but that doesn't sound so impressive!).

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/73/7020-090219105901.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=73973)
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: swisstrains on February 09, 2019, 11:21:53 AM
This Rietze Citaro Post Coach was a bargain on Ebay. The Rietze Audi cars were randomly only £4 each on Amazon, rather pleased with this haul!

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/73/7020-090219105819.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=73972)
Nice. :thumbsup: And if you can find a neat way of making the Postauto bellows operable please let me know ;)
I've also made my controller look a bit tidier and given it a docking station (well, it's just a screw actually, but that doesn't sound so impressive!).

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/73/7020-090219105901.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=73973)


Yes, always a good idea to keep these things safely stored when not in use.
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on February 09, 2019, 02:35:19 PM

Nice. :thumbsup: And if you can find a neat way of making the Postauto bellows operable please let me know ;)


Thanks!

I'll just snap it clean in half and re-glue at 90 degrees. Job done! :D Or only have dead straight roads on the layout..... :hmmm:
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Gizzy on February 11, 2019, 08:38:50 AM
Some people who enjoy the clickety-clack have certainly gone for cutting fine slots in the rail head of flexi track. I think I'd be concerned it creates another dirt trap though.
There was a OO London Underground layout from a modeller in Great Yarmouth doing the exhibition circuit in East Anglia a few years ago?

It had slots cut in the rail head to replicate the 'clickity-clack', and it worked well and sounded very good....
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on February 11, 2019, 02:57:58 PM
To make a change from my day to day work on the layout (glue track down - scratch head - lift track up again - glue track down - scratch head etc. etc. ) I have done some actual scenic modelling!

The little junk pile is kit-bashed from a free HO concrete mixer plast kit which came on the front of CM a couple of months ago!:D

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/74/7020-110219145647.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=74037)

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/74/7020-110219145703.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=74038)

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/74/7020-110219145726.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=74039)
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on February 11, 2019, 04:42:49 PM
Does anybody know of a good 1:160 modern dumper truck for gravel loads?
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: daffy on February 11, 2019, 05:02:19 PM
A few possibilities here:

https://www.en.dm-toys.de/liste/tags_en/baufahrzeug_en.html (https://www.en.dm-toys.de/liste/tags_en/baufahrzeug_en.html)
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on February 11, 2019, 05:06:51 PM
A few possibilities here:

https://www.en.dm-toys.de/liste/tags_en/baufahrzeug_en.html (https://www.en.dm-toys.de/liste/tags_en/baufahrzeug_en.html)

Genius, thanks Daffy!  :thumbsup:   :beers:
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: daffy on February 11, 2019, 05:25:47 PM
As my 6 year old grand-daughter has been saying for over three years now...

You’re welcome. :D
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: mika on February 11, 2019, 07:21:40 PM
Scenery is looking good. It's always amazing how it helps a layout to come alive. Well done.

Cheers
Michael
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: swisstrains on February 11, 2019, 09:30:56 PM
I love the bushes and the undergrowth Matt. Really convincing. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on February 11, 2019, 10:10:16 PM
I love the bushes and the undergrowth Matt. Really convincing. :thumbsup:

Cheers John and Michael, glad you find it effective!  :beers:
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on February 11, 2019, 10:47:04 PM
If I wanted a few functional Viessman lattice mast lights/ platform lights etc. what do I need in addition to the lights themselves to make them work?  :hmmm:
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: ntpntpntp on February 12, 2019, 07:46:58 AM
Er... a power supply?   :D     These things are typically designed for around 15V, lights will usually work on AC or DC but check the instructions of whatever you buy.   If you're going to run several lights then make sure your power supply can handle the total current draw.

I'd advise running a separate supply and power bus for lights - don't waste the DCC track power.

I often find the lights look better on a slightly lower voltage, so if you have an old DC controller you could use that with the voltage adjusted to how you like it? 

https://viessmann-modell.com/media/pdf/5a/57/84/6463Rlrw4LYNygGgp.pdf (https://viessmann-modell.com/media/pdf/5a/57/84/6463Rlrw4LYNygGgp.pdf)
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on February 12, 2019, 08:09:48 AM
Er... a power supply?   :D     


Hey Nick,

I've got a basic Gaugemaster analogue track controller, would that do the trick? I figured I would have a seperate power bus, that will be simple enough. I can have different coloured wires - hurrah!

I just got a bit confused because I saw all the expensive modules and whatnot on the Viessmann website. Glad they won'tt be required.

Cheers for the instructions, that is most interesting!

Matt
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on February 12, 2019, 08:12:47 AM
Hmm what's this about a resistor? Will I need to have one - I guess I just solder it inline?

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/74/7020-120219081238.png) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=74074)
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: ntpntpntp on February 12, 2019, 08:49:53 AM
Hmm what's this about a resistor? Will I need to have one - I guess I just solder it inline?

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/74/7020-120219081238.png) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=74074)

Should come with the resistor already fitted, as it's sold with instructions for 14-16V
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: ntpntpntp on February 12, 2019, 08:53:15 AM
I've got a basic Gaugemaster analogue track controller, would that do the trick?

Yes will do the job fine up to about 1 amp probably.
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on February 12, 2019, 09:06:45 AM

Should come with the resistor already fitted, as it's sold with instructions for 14-16V

Great thanks Nick, I'm excited now!  :claphappy:

Matt
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: dannyboy on February 12, 2019, 11:28:32 AM
All my lights and other such accessories are powered by a separate 12v supply.  I have 4 power supplies in total, so the lights etc are split between the four supplies. Some of the lights I have bought are designed for 12v whilst others are 3v and they come with resistors already wired in, or separate resistors that I have to solder in place.
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on February 12, 2019, 12:01:13 PM
All my lights and other such accessories are powered by a separate 12v supply.  I have 4 power supplies in total, so the lights etc are split between the four supplies. Some of the lights I have bought are designed for 12v whilst others are 3v and they come with resistors already wired in, or separate resistors that I have to solder in place.

Great that's useful. I've ordered my first light, so ooking forward to having a tinker with it!

Cheers muchly
Matt
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: dannyboy on February 12, 2019, 12:13:01 PM
One thing to remember Matt - do not put 12v through a 3v light without a resistor in place. You get an intense bright light and then ...... nothing!  :-[
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on February 12, 2019, 12:23:07 PM
One thing to remember Matt - do not put 12v through a 3v light without a resistor in place. You get an intense bright light and then ...... nothing!  :-[


Yes, I'll be sure to check. This is the light, so when it comes I'll see if a resistor is already in place on the wire.

https://viessmann-modell.com/sortiment/spur-n/leuchten/1639/n-gittermastleuchte?c=110 (https://viessmann-modell.com/sortiment/spur-n/leuchten/1639/n-gittermastleuchte?c=110)

And this is my controller from GM I plan to use:

http://www.gaugemaster.com/item_details.asp?code=GMC-COMBI&style=&strType=&Mcode=Gaugemaster+GMC%2DCOMBI (http://www.gaugemaster.com/item_details.asp?code=GMC-COMBI&style=&strType=&Mcode=Gaugemaster+GMC%2DCOMBI)
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: dannyboy on February 12, 2019, 12:31:44 PM
Just had a look at the downloadable instructions https://viessmann-modell.com/media/pdf/5a/57/84/6463Rlrw4LYNygGgp.pdf it does mention the resistor and states that the operating voltage is 10 to 16v AC/DC, so there should be no problem.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on February 12, 2019, 12:37:37 PM
Just had a look at the downloadable instructions https://viessmann-modell.com/media/pdf/5a/57/84/6463Rlrw4LYNygGgp.pdf it does mention the resistor and states that the operating voltage is 10 to 16v AC/DC, so there should be no problem.  :thumbsup:

Brilliant that's kind, thank you for checking for me!  :thumbsup: :beers:
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: RicardoFig on February 12, 2019, 12:56:07 PM
Just to give a thumbs up regarding the scenery!

The "junk pile" is a very nice looking touch.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on February 12, 2019, 02:28:12 PM
The instructions which came with this black box are about as much use as chocolate tea pot! Can anyone shed light on how I'm supposed to plug the point motor in? Also I take it I should add wires to the end contacts to my power bus using the supplied plugs. Does it matter which way around is positive and negative?


(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/74/7020-120219142715.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=74088)

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/74/7020-120219142734.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=74089)



(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/74/7020-120219142753.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=74090)
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on February 12, 2019, 03:12:34 PM
Just to give a thumbs up regarding the scenery!

The "junk pile" is a very nice looking touch.  :thumbsup:

Thank you - yes I'm pleased with that junk pile!  :D
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: ntpntpntp on February 12, 2019, 06:19:14 PM
Can anyone shed light on how I'm supposed to plug the point motor in?

The pdf seems reasonably simple and clarifies the meaning of the "+", common and "-" of each output.
https://www.roco.cc/uploads/documents/pdf/10775.pdf (https://www.roco.cc/uploads/documents/pdf/10775.pdf)

Looks like it comes with plugs for you to assemble?  I found this little diagram on how to assemble the plugs:
Strip 15mm of wire, push into the plug and fold the ends over underneath, fit the cover.
You'll need to check your Fleischmann motor instructions to ascertain which wires are Left, Common, and Right

(https://images.beneluxspoor.net/bnls/stekkertjes__roco_2.jpg)

Quote
Also I take it I should add wires to the end contacts to my power bus using the supplied plugs. Does it matter which way around is positive and negative?
Connects to the DCC power bus I presume?  If so there is no positive/negative distinction, it's a square wave AC. Won't matter which wire connects to which side of the plug.
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on February 12, 2019, 06:44:23 PM

The pdf seems reasonably simple and clarifies the meaning of the "+", common and "-" of each output.

Looks like it comes with plugs for you to assemble?  I found this little diagram on how to assemble the plugs:
Strip 15mm of wire, push into the plug and fold the ends over underneath, fit the cover.
You'll need to check your Fleischmann motor instructions to ascertain which wires are Left, Common, and Right

Connects to the DCC power bus I presume?  If so there is no positive/negative distinction, it's a square wave AC. Won't matter which wire connects to which side of the plug.

Aha thank you Nick that's most helpful. Yes there is a pack of those little plugs supplied! I'm sure it has to connect to the DCC power bus, as it's MultiMaus operated.

Cheers  :beers:
Matt

P.s Should I chop the existing plug off the point in that case? Or should I make a female/female adapter by connecting two female plugs with three short wires.  :hmmm:
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: ntpntpntp on February 12, 2019, 07:01:33 PM
Should I chop the existing plug off the point in that case? Or should I make a female/female adapter by connecting two female plugs with three short wires.  :hmmm:


Well something will have to give! I'd chop the plugs off the point motor wires. Save them in your bits box just in case.  When you strip the wires, if they're multi-strand then I'd suggest a little solder to bond then together as one core, it will be easier to fit the Roco plug.

I saw another photo where someone had soldered wires directly to the 10775 outputs and created screw terminal blocks, if that makes things easier for your wiring (for example to swap left and right if you get it wrong!)
(https://images.beneluxspoor.net/bnls/Web_IMGP5554.jpg)
http://forum.beneluxspoor.eu/index.php?topic=11999.15 (http://forum.beneluxspoor.eu/index.php?topic=11999.15)
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on February 12, 2019, 07:04:55 PM
Should I chop the existing plug off the point in that case? Or should I make a female/female adapter by connecting two female plugs with three short wires.  :hmmm:


Well something will have to give! I'd chop the plugs off the point motor wires. Save them in your bits box just in case.  When you strip the wires, if they're multi-strand then I'd suggest a little solder to bond then together as one core, it will be easier to fit the Roco plug.

I saw another photo where someone had soldered wires directly to the 10775 outputs and created screw terminal blocks, if that makes things easier for your wiring (for example to swap left and right if you get it wrong!)
([url]https://images.beneluxspoor.net/bnls/Web_IMGP5554.jpg[/url])
[url]http://forum.beneluxspoor.eu/index.php?topic=11999.15[/url] ([url]http://forum.beneluxspoor.eu/index.php?topic=11999.15[/url])


Ok cool will have a ponder. Crikey that photo looks like something taken off the Borg queen in Star Trek!!! :goggleeyes:
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on February 13, 2019, 09:13:07 AM
Here's the whole layout as it stands this morning!


(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/74/7020-130219091014.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=74102)


(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/74/7020-130219091032.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=74103)

I ws able to have a really satisfying running session last night, all appears to be working smoothly. :claphappy:

I like to-do lists but haven't done one for the layout since December, so I've been good and done a new one:  :angel:


Electronics
•   Install lighting power bus
•   Install first lattice mast lamp
•   Finalise placement for other mast lamps
•   Signal box interior lighting
•   Wire-in Roco digital turnout controller and install under baseboard

Scenics
•   Complete rear bank with retaining wall
•   Smooth plaster remaining scenic areas
•   Add in station road
•   Level crossing for station main road
•   Utility level crossing for goods yard
•   Work on catenary (soldered)
•   Dummy signals (kit?)
•   Set down abandoned siding in SW corner
•   Create agricultural field with track in SW corner
•   Design advert billboards for retaining wall
•   Paint figures and position

Buildings
•   Make final version of station (with interior lighting)
•   Put in finalised platforms in order to complete ballasting
•   Weather signal box

Other
•   Make tea cup holder by operating position
•   Mount Multimaus black box under baseboard





Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: swisstrains on February 13, 2019, 09:47:22 AM

…..Dummy signals (kit?)



I assume that you have seen these Matt?

https://www.modellbahnshop-lippe.com/produkt/Busch/44-2-0-29069-004010-0-0-0-0-0-0-grp-gb-p-0/ein_produkt.html (https://www.modellbahnshop-lippe.com/produkt/Busch/44-2-0-29069-004010-0-0-0-0-0-0-grp-gb-p-0/ein_produkt.html)
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on February 13, 2019, 09:51:53 AM

…..Dummy signals (kit?)



I assume that you have seen these Matt?

https://www.modellbahnshop-lippe.com/produkt/Busch/44-2-0-29069-004010-0-0-0-0-0-0-grp-gb-p-0/ein_produkt.html (https://www.modellbahnshop-lippe.com/produkt/Busch/44-2-0-29069-004010-0-0-0-0-0-0-grp-gb-p-0/ein_produkt.html)

Hi John, yes I know about those, they're exactly what I'll go for. :thumbsup: Working out where to position them will be tricky though, as I know zero about signalling!  :D
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: swisstrains on February 13, 2019, 10:19:22 AM

…..Dummy signals (kit?)



I assume that you have seen these Matt?

https://www.modellbahnshop-lippe.com/produkt/Busch/44-2-0-29069-004010-0-0-0-0-0-0-grp-gb-p-0/ein_produkt.html (https://www.modellbahnshop-lippe.com/produkt/Busch/44-2-0-29069-004010-0-0-0-0-0-0-grp-gb-p-0/ein_produkt.html)

Hi John, yes I know about those, they're exactly what I'll go for. :thumbsup: Working out where to position them will be tricky though, as I know zero about signalling!  :D
I'm sure we can help you with that. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on February 13, 2019, 11:08:41 AM

…..Dummy signals (kit?)



I assume that you have seen these Matt?

https://www.modellbahnshop-lippe.com/produkt/Busch/44-2-0-29069-004010-0-0-0-0-0-0-grp-gb-p-0/ein_produkt.html (https://www.modellbahnshop-lippe.com/produkt/Busch/44-2-0-29069-004010-0-0-0-0-0-0-grp-gb-p-0/ein_produkt.html)

Hi John, yes I know about those, they're exactly what I'll go for. :thumbsup: Working out where to position them will be tricky though, as I know zero about signalling!  :D
I'm sure we can help you with that. :thumbsup:

Brilliant yes please. I'll let you know when I have them  :) :beers:
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: mika on February 13, 2019, 11:20:24 AM
•   Make tea cup holder by operating position

I like that one. Very important :D
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on February 13, 2019, 09:18:17 PM
•   Make tea cup holder by operating position

I like that one. Very important :D

Ha ha yes should be top of the list!!!! :D
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: carlmt on February 13, 2019, 10:55:17 PM

…..Dummy signals (kit?)




I assume that you have seen these Matt?

[url]https://www.modellbahnshop-lippe.com/produkt/Busch/44-2-0-29069-004010-0-0-0-0-0-0-grp-gb-p-0/ein_produkt.html[/url] ([url]https://www.modellbahnshop-lippe.com/produkt/Busch/44-2-0-29069-004010-0-0-0-0-0-0-grp-gb-p-0/ein_produkt.html[/url])


Hi John, yes I know about those, they're exactly what I'll go for. :thumbsup: Working out where to position them will be tricky though, as I know zero about signalling!  :D


I have found this web page very helpful in this regard :

http://www.sh1.org/eisenbahn/rups.htm (http://www.sh1.org/eisenbahn/rups.htm)

Hope it helps you?
Cheers
Carl
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on February 14, 2019, 07:26:04 AM

…..Dummy signals (kit?)




I assume that you have seen these Matt?

[url]https://www.modellbahnshop-lippe.com/produkt/Busch/44-2-0-29069-004010-0-0-0-0-0-0-grp-gb-p-0/ein_produkt.html[/url] ([url]https://www.modellbahnshop-lippe.com/produkt/Busch/44-2-0-29069-004010-0-0-0-0-0-0-grp-gb-p-0/ein_produkt.html[/url])


Hi John, yes I know about those, they're exactly what I'll go for. :thumbsup: Working out where to position them will be tricky though, as I know zero about signalling!  :D


I have found this web page very helpful in this regard :

[url]http://www.sh1.org/eisenbahn/rups.htm[/url] ([url]http://www.sh1.org/eisenbahn/rups.htm[/url])

Hope it helps you?
Cheers
Carl


Thanks Carl that's helpful! Pity there is no illustrated guide though for newbies such as me.  :hmmm:
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on February 14, 2019, 09:04:49 AM
Should I chop the existing plug off the point in that case? Or should I make a female/female adapter by connecting two female plugs with three short wires.  :hmmm:


Well something will have to give! I'd chop the plugs off the point motor wires. Save them in your bits box just in case.  When you strip the wires, if they're multi-strand then I'd suggest a little solder to bond then together as one core, it will be easier to fit the Roco plug.

I saw another photo where someone had soldered wires directly to the 10775 outputs and created screw terminal blocks, if that makes things easier for your wiring (for example to swap left and right if you get it wrong!)
([url]https://images.beneluxspoor.net/bnls/Web_IMGP5554.jpg[/url])
[url]http://forum.beneluxspoor.eu/index.php?topic=11999.15[/url] ([url]http://forum.beneluxspoor.eu/index.php?topic=11999.15[/url])


Holy guaccomole it works - amazing!!!!!!!! :claphappy: :claphappy: :claphappy: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce:
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on February 14, 2019, 09:41:57 AM
Ok so the points controller is wired up and working-ish.

Only issue is that about every 10th throw the point makes a bit of a weird shaky buzz and sits in half open/half closed. And the multimaus indicates it is opened when it is closed. I'm wondering if the problem is worse with a loco on the track but need to test more.


(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/74/7020-140219093949.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=74133)

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/74/7020-140219094104.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=74134)
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: swisstrains on February 14, 2019, 09:49:54 AM
Don't you have to go through some sort of programming routine to get the points to respond correctly? Or have you already done this?
https://www.aandhmodels.co.uk/roco-10775-accessory-decoder-1084-c.asp (https://www.aandhmodels.co.uk/roco-10775-accessory-decoder-1084-c.asp)
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: dannyboy on February 14, 2019, 09:50:56 AM
Also on the multimaus it's indicating the point is open when it's closed and vice versa.



That statement certainly implies that it is wired the wrong way round, but I know nothing about that piece of equipment. I am sure someone does and will be able to give the correct information. Knowing how knowledgeable some people on the forum are, you should not have to wait too long.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: carlmt on February 14, 2019, 10:00:45 AM

…..Dummy signals (kit?)




I assume that you have seen these Matt?

[url]https://www.modellbahnshop-lippe.com/produkt/Busch/44-2-0-29069-004010-0-0-0-0-0-0-grp-gb-p-0/ein_produkt.html[/url] ([url]https://www.modellbahnshop-lippe.com/produkt/Busch/44-2-0-29069-004010-0-0-0-0-0-0-grp-gb-p-0/ein_produkt.html[/url])


Hi John, yes I know about those, they're exactly what I'll go for. :thumbsup: Working out where to position them will be tricky though, as I know zero about signalling!  :D


I have found this web page very helpful in this regard :

[url]http://www.sh1.org/eisenbahn/rups.htm[/url] ([url]http://www.sh1.org/eisenbahn/rups.htm[/url])

Hope it helps you?
Cheers
Carl


Thanks Carl that's helpful! Pity there is no illustrated guide though for newbies such as me.  :hmmm:


Will this help?
Cheers
Carl

http://www.joernpachl.de/German_principles.htm (http://www.joernpachl.de/German_principles.htm)
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on February 14, 2019, 01:56:49 PM
Will this help?
Cheers
Carl

[url]http://www.joernpachl.de/German_principles.htm[/url] ([url]http://www.joernpachl.de/German_principles.htm[/url])


Thanks Carl, yes that will!  :beers:
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on February 14, 2019, 01:58:06 PM
Quick question, can I just solder wires onto the ends of these wires, so I can connect down to the power bus with clip connectors?

Ta
Matt


(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/74/7020-140219135759.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=74137)
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Gizzy on February 14, 2019, 02:05:53 PM
Quick question, can I just solder wires onto the ends of these wires, so I can connect down to the power bus with clip connectors?

Ta
Matt


(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/74/7020-140219135759.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=74137)

I would sleeve the resistor and exposed wiring beforehand....
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on February 14, 2019, 04:18:03 PM
Don't you have to go through some sort of programming routine to get the points to respond correctly? Or have you already done this?
https://www.aandhmodels.co.uk/roco-10775-accessory-decoder-1084-c.asp (https://www.aandhmodels.co.uk/roco-10775-accessory-decoder-1084-c.asp)

Hi John, yes I did do that procedure. All seems fine now, I think I was getting over excited and clicking it fore and back too quickly for fun!

It still reads the wrong way round on the controller though - I swapped the red and green (outer) wires but that stopped it working.
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: ntpntpntp on February 14, 2019, 06:49:01 PM
Quick question, can I just solder wires onto the ends of these wires, so I can connect down to the power bus with clip connectors?

You could.   However I usually connect the wires from lights and signals etc. to choc-blocks and then extend from there to the power bus or main board distribution strip.  That way it's easy to remove and replace the light if necessary in the future, or even just temporarily remove while you finish off scenery etc.
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on February 14, 2019, 08:38:51 PM
Quick question, can I just solder wires onto the ends of these wires, so I can connect down to the power bus with clip connectors?

You could.   However I usually connect the wires from lights and signals etc. to choc-blocks and then extend from there to the power bus or main board distribution strip.  That way it's easy to remove and replace the light if necessary in the future, or even just temporarily remove while you finish off scenery etc.

I think I'll follow your lead on this. I'll need to collect the lights over a period of time as they sure ain't cheap - and will therefore need to move them about now and again. Can I connect that piece of solid core the resistor is on into a chock block?

Cheers
Matt

Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: ntpntpntp on February 14, 2019, 08:51:08 PM
Can I connect that piece of solid core the resistor is on into a chock block?
Of course you can, I do it all time. Just shorten it down a it so you haven't got bare wire showing.
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: swisstrains on February 14, 2019, 09:02:59 PM
Don't you have to go through some sort of programming routine to get the points to respond correctly? Or have you already done this?
https://www.aandhmodels.co.uk/roco-10775-accessory-decoder-1084-c.asp (https://www.aandhmodels.co.uk/roco-10775-accessory-decoder-1084-c.asp)

Hi John, yes I did do that procedure. All seems fine now, I think I was getting over excited and clicking it fore and back too quickly for fun!

It still reads the wrong way round on the controller though - I swapped the red and green (outer) wires but that stopped it working.
Good to see that your points are now working OK Matt. :thumbsup:
I can't imagine trying to control the points on my layout using the DCC handset. I would end up in a right pickle. :confused1:  Although I regularly switch my layout to DCC for loco control I am "old school" control panel and switches when it comes to points and signals.
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: ntpntpntp on February 14, 2019, 09:11:51 PM
It still reads the wrong way round on the controller though - I swapped the red and green (outer) wires but that stopped it working.

That shouldn't stop the motor working, there are no diodes in a Fleischmann point motor AFAIK, it works on AC or DC.  A wire not fitted properly in the plug perhaps?  Did it work again when you swapped back?
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on February 14, 2019, 09:16:48 PM
It still reads the wrong way round on the controller though - I swapped the red and green (outer) wires but that stopped it working.

That shouldn't stop the motor working, there are no diodes in a Fleischmann point motor AFAIK, it works on AC or DC.  A wire not fitted properly in the plug perhaps?  Did it work again when you swapped back?

Yes the point is fully working through the MultiMaus. I would say though that every 15th time I operate it remotely, it makes a weird buzz and only switches half way, not sure what's causing that, as the mechanism works perfectly by hand and there's no intrusion of any material from the ballasting work (it's one of the laast points I installed).

Oh and it still is reading back to front on the Multimaus, though that's not a major issue.

I could try simply wiring the plug again if this persists.
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on February 14, 2019, 09:17:43 PM
Can I connect that piece of solid core the resistor is on into a chock block?
Of course you can, I do it all time. Just shorten it down a it so you haven't got bare wire showing.

Fab, will do!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on February 14, 2019, 09:21:23 PM
Don't you have to go through some sort of programming routine to get the points to respond correctly? Or have you already done this?
https://www.aandhmodels.co.uk/roco-10775-accessory-decoder-1084-c.asp (https://www.aandhmodels.co.uk/roco-10775-accessory-decoder-1084-c.asp)

Hi John, yes I did do that procedure. All seems fine now, I think I was getting over excited and clicking it fore and back too quickly for fun!

It still reads the wrong way round on the controller though - I swapped the red and green (outer) wires but that stopped it working.
Good to see that your points are now working OK Matt. :thumbsup:
I can't imagine trying to control the points on my layout using the DCC handset. I would end up in a right pickle. :confused1:  Although I regularly switch my layout to DCC for loco control I am "old school" control panel and switches when it comes to points and signals.

Yes I'm actually only going to use it for the one point (as it's out of reach), as it would make life unnecessarily complicated to make my other points DCC - they are all within arm's reach of my seating place. Much quicker to just reach and switch! And I agree if it were a bigger layout I would prefer a control panel such as you have!
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on February 15, 2019, 07:41:47 AM
Although I regularly switch my layout to DCC for loco control I am "old school" control panel and switches when it comes to points and signals.

Having said that it will probably be good fun to operate the DCC points whilst listening to 'Computer World' by Kraftwerk....  :D


(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/74/7020-150219074135.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=74149)
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: dannyboy on February 15, 2019, 08:44:32 AM
Some brilliant music from Kraftwerk -  I have a lot of their music.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on February 15, 2019, 08:57:24 AM
Some brilliant music from Kraftwerk -  I have a lot of their music.  :thumbsup:

Totally agree.

Especially having a track entitled Trans Europe Express!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on February 15, 2019, 10:19:51 AM
Here's the station access road/bus turnaround going in...

I've used thin foam sheet to make the road. The turnaround is one-way and there will be lines painted for bus parking directly adjacent to the station (where the Postauto is sitting). I'll also add a lay by for taxis jutting into the island.


(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/74/7020-150219101915.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=74153)


(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/74/7020-150219101941.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=74154)
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: grumbeast on February 15, 2019, 05:37:05 PM

Totally agree.

Especially having a track entitled Trans Europe Express!  :thumbsup:

Absolutely!  you need to have an old TEE for your layout if only to run just when your listening!.. its out of era I know but you know you just have to, a VT11.5 maybe.. I have an old Roco one, but I think Fleischmann do a more recent one :) .. or actually being more serious, some of the TEE routes were quite short consists (Loco + 3) so would work well on your layout
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: carlmt on February 15, 2019, 07:06:03 PM
A run of a TEE set - especially a Rheingold set - is not necessarily out of era today.

There is a group near Koln that run regular specials using either the 1926 set or the 1961 set - or even a mix of both!  Motive power is always classic as well (V200, E10.....)

Carl
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on February 15, 2019, 08:49:06 PM

Totally agree.

Especially having a track entitled Trans Europe Express!  :thumbsup:

Absolutely!  you need to have an old TEE for your layout if only to run just when your listening!.. its out of era I know but you know you just have to, a VT11.5 maybe.. I have an old Roco one, but I think Fleischmann do a more recent one :) .. or actually being more serious, some of the TEE routes were quite short consists (Loco + 3) so would work well on your layout

For sure, that's a great idea. An SBB Graue Maus-type (but in original red/cream livery) TEE would also be an option! :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: ntpntpntp on February 15, 2019, 08:54:46 PM
An SBB Graue Maus-type (but in original red/cream livery) TEE would also be an option! :thumbsup:

Why not have both?   :D  :D  :D
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/74/5885-150219205341.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=74169)
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on February 15, 2019, 09:27:54 PM
An SBB Graue Maus-type (but in original red/cream livery) TEE would also be an option! :thumbsup:

Why not have both?   :D  :D  :D
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/74/5885-150219205341.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=74169)

Tsk tsk Nick, in grey it's a Eurocity, not a TEE!  :D :laughabovepost:

P.s. I love both colour schemes  ;)
P.p.s. actually I think it only became a Eurocity towards the end of it's career, it may still have been TEE when first painted grey. I'll have to ask Kraftwerk, they would probably know  :D
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: grumbeast on February 16, 2019, 12:13:35 AM

Why not have both?   :D  :D  :D
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/74/5885-150219205341.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=74169)


I am significantly and appreciatively envious! :) :)

TEE livery is my fave though
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on February 16, 2019, 08:45:24 AM
Yet more questions I'm afraid!

This is a reminder of how my layout is set up, resting on two 'trolleys' so-to-speak, aligned with alignment struts.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/74/7020-160219084258.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=74176)

At the moment, I've just run the power bus straight across the alignment struts. However this now means I can no longer lift the top off for transportation, without first cutting the power bus lines.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/74/7020-160219084324.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=74177)

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/74/7020-160219085131.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=74178)

So, should I cut the power bus at the 4 points indicated with X's, tin the wire ends and install chocolate block connectors, in anticpation of future needs to move the layout? The other option I thought of was some sort of banana plugs.

I would anticipate needing to use this function approx. once per year.  :hmmm:

P.s. these look quite interesting, will they be secure enough as connectors?
https://www.amazon.co.uk/d/Terminal-Blocks/DWE-Connectors-Electrical-Connector-Connecting/B076Q5RL4J/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1550307988&sr=8-3&keywords=wire+connector (https://www.amazon.co.uk/d/Terminal-Blocks/DWE-Connectors-Electrical-Connector-Connecting/B076Q5RL4J/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1550307988&sr=8-3&keywords=wire+connector)
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: swisstrains on February 16, 2019, 09:23:00 AM
Hi Matt. You should have cut small "V" s in the top of your wooden supports and drilled holes in the battens for the wires. It would be much tidier. The board would then have been totally separate.
Surely it's not too late to modify it now?
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on February 16, 2019, 09:31:27 AM
Hi Matt. You should have cut small "V" s in the top of your wooden supports for the wires. Surely it's not too late to modify it now?

Oh yes, so I should! :-[

Well I could drill holes through. However there is quite a lot of give where the trolley tops line up, so they would have to be quite big holes or I'll be fishing around for hours feeding the wires through. :hmmm:
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: swisstrains on February 16, 2019, 09:45:51 AM
Hi Matt. I think you replied while I was editing my post.
Can you disconnect the wiring to enable you to remove the board from the legs? Before you actually remove the board mark the points where you want the wires to go. The strengthening battens can then be drilled as close to the underside of the board as you can and "V" notches can be cut in the trolley pieces to correspond with them. Leave some slack in the wiring to allow for slight movement between the two. You won't need to drill very big holes for the amount of wiring you are likely to have even allowing for more "gadgets" and there shouldn't be any problems feeding them through.
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: ntpntpntp on February 16, 2019, 09:50:18 AM
Do you really need to bridge the bus at all four places? Your layout is only small, I'd argue a single pair of connectors to link the bus in one place is perfectly good enough.

Choc-blocks would be an easy starting point but fiddly. 

Banana plugs and sockets are a more convenient yet still simple option, you won't have to fiddle underneath with a screwdriver.

A single multi-way plug and socket is even more convenient, as long as the contacts are rated for enough current.   Bear in mind you will eventually be running more than just a DCC bus, you'll also have a "lighting bus" (at least) and possibly other connections for bits and pieces.

I use D-Sub connectors for neatness but with DC I'm not loading any wiring with more than one or two locos.  N-Club International (whose modular standards I now adhere to) used to specify D-Subs for their 6 main bus wires but have now changed to banana plugs.

Here's one of my "adapter-to-adapter" adapters  :D  which converts from D-Sub 15 (which I chose to use internally on my modular boards) to D-Sub 37 (NCI's old standard) to bananas.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/74/5885-160219094307.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=74179)



An alternative approach could be to have a "star-wired"  style rather than a "daisy-chain". In other words, your DCC system connects to a central distribution panel and from there a cable and a connector takes the bus(es) to each board.  It might be overkill in your case, but I prefer this approach as I have several baseboards and it means I can power up and test/work on one board in isolation if necessary.

Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on February 16, 2019, 10:00:42 AM
Hi Matt. I think you replied while I was editing my post.
Can you disconnect the wiring to enable you to remove the board from the legs? Before you actually remove the board mark the points where you want the wires to go. The strengthening battens can then be drilled as close to the underside of the board as you can and "V" notches can be cut in the trolley pieces to correspond with them. Leave some slack in the wiring to allow for slight movement between the two. You won't need to drill very big holes for the amount of wiring you are likely to have even allowing for more "gadgets" and there shouldn't be any problems feeding them through.

Ohhhhhhhhhh I see what you mean! Yes that's a jolly good idea. I just have to have a head scratch about undoing some of my wiring.

I didn't do it that way before because I never thought of the V notch concept.

I think this is what Baldrick would refer to as a 'cunning plan'!
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on February 16, 2019, 10:02:15 AM
Do you really need to bridge the bus at all four places? Your layout is only small, I'd argue a single pair of connectors to link the bus in one place is perfectly good enough.

Choc-blocks would be an easy starting point but fiddly. 

Banana plugs and sockets are a more convenient yet still simple option, you won't have to fiddle underneath with a screwdriver.

A single multi-way plug and socket is even more convenient, as long as the contacts are rated for enough current.   Bear in mind you will eventually be running more than just a DCC bus, you'll also have a "lighting bus" (at least) and possibly other connections for bits and pieces.

I use D-Sub connectors for neatness but with DC I'm not loading any wiring with more than one or two locos.  N-Club International (whose modular standards I now adhere to) used to specify D-Subs for their 6 main bus wires but have now changed to banana plugs.

Here's one of my "adapter-to-adapter" adapters  :D  which converts from D-Sub 15 (which I chose to use internally on my modular boards) to D-Sub 37 (NCI's old standard) to bananas.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/74/5885-160219094307.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=74179)



An alternative approach could be to have a "star-wired"  style rather than a "daisy-chain". In other words, your DCC system connects to a central distribution panel and from there a cable and a connector takes the bus(es) to each board.  It might be overkill in your case, but I prefer this approach as I have several baseboards and it means I can power up and test/work on one board in isolation if necessary.

Gosh you really are on it with your connectors nick (I though you would be!). I'll try John's connector-free approach first and if I need a plan B I'll come back to the connectors!  :) :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: swisstrains on February 16, 2019, 10:16:41 AM
Hi Matt. Don't cut the notches deeper than about 1 cm or you will weaken the woodwork. The same goes for the holes. It might also be worth incorporating some extra holes/notches in anticipation of your lighting supply.
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on February 16, 2019, 10:56:35 AM
Hi Matt. Don't cut the notches deeper than about 1 cm or you will weaken the woodwork. The same goes for the holes. It might also be worth incorporating some extra holes/notches in anticipation of your lighting supply.

Cool, will do!

Meanwhile in other news, work on the embankment also continues. I've made it removable, which will be useful when I come to flip the layout to redo the wiring stuff.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/74/7020-160219105623.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=74183)
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: swisstrains on February 16, 2019, 11:06:25 AM
Nice sturdy construction Matt. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: dannyboy on February 16, 2019, 04:20:23 PM
There are numerous ways to get power from one board to another. My favourite is this type of connector -

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/12-Pole-Plug-Socket-6A-Terminal-Strip-HYPS-01712/263730714333?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m2749.l2649 (https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/12-Pole-Plug-Socket-6A-Terminal-Strip-HYPS-01712/263730714333?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m2749.l2649)

I have used various connectors in the past, but have found ordinary or 'plugable' choc-blocks to be my favourite.
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on February 16, 2019, 06:11:02 PM
Nice sturdy construction Matt. :thumbsup:

Thanks John!

I went to visit the Milton Keynes model railway society exhibition today. I'm just back and I have to say it was hugely inspirational. There was a really good German N layout there of Berlin-ish type city setting. I love the long and narrow N gauge layouts split with scenics at the front and shadow yard at the back, that will definitely be the format for my next layout!

In addition, there's just something about N Gauge that is hugely captivating compared to any other scale. It puts across the setting of the railway so well and it's small scale and intricacy of trains and scenic details just makes it even more appealing!

Plenty of food for thought, very glad I attended.
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on February 17, 2019, 08:58:09 AM
More embankment work...


(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/74/7020-170219085743.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=74199)


(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/74/7020-170219085800.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=74200)
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on February 17, 2019, 05:09:40 PM
you may recall that the first hill I made resembled a frog somewhat. Luckily no such silly look-alike issues with the second hill!

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/74/7020-170219170926.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=74224)
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: ntpntpntp on February 17, 2019, 05:32:01 PM
You've definitely gone over to the dark side :-)
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on February 17, 2019, 05:54:37 PM
You've definitely gone over to the dark side :-)

So it would seem!  :laughabovepost:
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: mika on February 17, 2019, 08:18:58 PM
Hi Matt, good one.
Just as Gold Five said: "Stay on target!" :D :D :D

Keep up the good work.
Best,
Michael
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: weave on February 17, 2019, 10:12:52 PM
Just put a mast and sails on it, some Mod Roc sponsorship decals and you could enter it in the N gauge America's Cup  :D.

Hi Matt,

Great stuff. I tend to lose interest when electrickery is involved as don't know what you're talking about but the rest seems to be coming along nicely.

Thanks for sharing.

cheers weave  :beers:
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: NScaleNotes on February 18, 2019, 09:23:32 AM
I went to visit the Milton Keynes model railway society exhibition today. I'm just back and I have to say it was hugely inspirational. There was a really good German N layout there of Berlin-ish type city setting.

That was Schwungischer. One of my favourites; I've seen it at a couple of different exhibitions and always come away wanting to build a Berlin Stadtbahn layout.

In addition, there's just something about N Gauge that is hugely captivating compared to any other scale. It puts across the setting of the railway so well and it's small scale and intricacy of trains and scenic details just makes it even more appealing!

Plenty of food for thought, very glad I attended.

Totally agree, I've always liked seeing the trains in and through believable landscaping, Clifton and Lowther in particular was very good for this and everything had been weathered really well.

I came away thoroughly inspired too.

Simon
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on February 18, 2019, 05:59:49 PM
Just put a mast and sails on it, some Mod Roc sponsorship decals and you could enter it in the N gauge America's Cup  :D.

Hi Matt,

Great stuff. I tend to lose interest when electrickery is involved as don't know what you're talking about but the rest seems to be coming along nicely.

Thanks for sharing.

cheers weave  :beers:

 :laughabovepost:ha ha yes I should do that Weave!

Cheers
Matt
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on February 18, 2019, 06:11:24 PM


That was Schwungischer. One of my favourites; I've seen it at a couple of different exhibitions and always come away wanting to build a Berlin Stadtbahn layout.

Totally agree, I've always liked seeing the trains in and through believable landscaping, Clifton and Lowther in particular was very good for this and everything had been weathered really well.

I came away thoroughly inspired too.

Simon

Hi Simon, glad you enjoyed the show as much as I did. Yes of course you are correct, t'was Schwungischer Platz! Here's some pics, makes excellent use of quite small dimensions. Genius having a dummy terminus station at one end, complete with lit up locos. These even a street tramway and underneath a U-Bahn - a true metropolitan station scenario.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/74/7020-180219180830.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=74235)


(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/74/7020-180219180856.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=74236)


(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/74/7020-180219180923.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=74237)

Matt
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on February 28, 2019, 09:06:54 AM
Sorry for lack of updates - I've had an unwell dad and it's rather put a stop to things. Should be able to get going again next week!
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: dannyboy on February 28, 2019, 09:12:48 AM
Hope your dad is on the mend.
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: swisstrains on February 28, 2019, 09:48:51 AM
Hope your dad is on the mend.
Yes, I'll second that. Look forward to your return Matt.
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on February 28, 2019, 09:56:59 AM
Hope your dad is on the mend.

Thank you guys!
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: daffy on February 28, 2019, 10:24:17 AM
Hope your Dad is better soon Matt.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: port perran on February 28, 2019, 10:26:51 AM
Get well soon to Globibahn Senior.
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on February 28, 2019, 09:01:47 PM
Get well soon to Globibahn Senior.
Thank you all!
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on March 01, 2019, 09:34:57 AM
Hmmm,

I attached my Viessmann mast lamp to the Gaugemaster combi 12V DC outputs and no light appeared.

Plugged it into the 16/18v AC outputs and I got smoke from the points of contact! :hmmm: :-[

Plugged it back into the DC outputs and nothing - then smoke again.

Have I now managed to fry my light?
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: dannyboy on March 01, 2019, 09:41:47 AM
Without going back through the thread, I presume the lamp is designed for 12v DC?  ???
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: ntpntpntp on March 01, 2019, 01:29:32 PM
It is an LED?  Don't forget they are polarity sensitive so you may have had it the wrong polarity on your DC output?

Test it using the variable DC output first. Turn up gently. You might find it you prefer the look with it not too bright. Try both directions on the controller.
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on March 01, 2019, 02:02:56 PM
Oh heck, I think what I've done is got the polarity wrong! Then what I've done is overloaded it by putting 16/18v AC through the lamp.

Would this have destroyed the lamp, or just blown out the resistor?

Smoke did not come out the lamp, only the points where the wires connected into the transformer.

Gaugemaster have now informed me that the + output is that furthest from the power jack - when in forwards mode - (as it is not indicated on the controller).

Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on March 01, 2019, 02:11:22 PM
Without going back through the thread, I presume the lamp is designed for 12v DC?  ???

Hi

Operating voltage: 10 – 16 V AC ~/DC= Operating current: ca. 30 mA
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on March 02, 2019, 01:55:32 PM

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/74/7020-020319135436.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=74622)

Thanks for the advice re. anti-warping strategies! The retaining wall is in place, fully removable and fully warp-free. Hurrah - just need to scenic-ise.

Matt  :beers: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: ntpntpntp on March 02, 2019, 02:02:33 PM
Operating voltage: 10 – 16 V AC ~/DC= Operating current: ca. 30 mA

In that case it should have been fine, and polarity not imporrtant.  16V is nominal, a volt or two over that shouldn't make a difference.

So it is a bulb not an LED, then?  Does it definitely have a resistor?   I would not expect it to have blown the resistor unless a large current was flowing and it cooked!
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on March 02, 2019, 02:12:51 PM
Operating voltage: 10 – 16 V AC ~/DC= Operating current: ca. 30 mA

In that case it should have been fine, and polarity not imporrtant.  16V is nominal, a volt or two over that shouldn't make a difference.

So it is a bulb not an LED, then?  Does it definitely have a resistor?   I would not expect it to have blown the resistor unless a large current was flowing and it cooked!


That sounds promising Nick, but I wonder why the smoke then? I've sent the lamp back to Gaugemaster to take a look at it. They thought the controller may be faulty, however I don't think it's likely, as it's only a couple of months old and only (mis)used now and again to pass destructive overload through my loco's chips! :-[ Seriously I think the controller is fine though.
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on March 02, 2019, 02:14:35 PM
Are you sure about polarity Nick? It says this in the guide:

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/74/7020-020319141417.png) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=74623)
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on March 02, 2019, 02:17:01 PM
Oh stand corrected:

It does not matter if the cable is connected to the resistor at the positive or negative pole. Connect the second cable to the other pole accordingly
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: ntpntpntp on March 02, 2019, 02:25:14 PM
Ah right, ok so maybe it IS polarity sensitive, although it only say "for example" on the diagram.  I'd assume must be an LED with a current limiting resistor (don't usually need resistors with bulbs), in which case when connected to AC it will only light for half the AC cycle - that can show up as flickering when viewed out of the corner of your eye or when videoed.

Very odd to get any smoke/sparking when you touched the wires to the controller output - shouldn't be anywhere near enough current flow to cause that sort of thing.  Maybe it's defective and has a short somewhere?
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on March 02, 2019, 02:34:49 PM
Maybe it's defective and has a short somewhere?

You mean, it may actually not be my fault for once?!  :D :laughabovepost:
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on March 03, 2019, 08:56:34 AM
Some more scenic-ising going on here....


(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/74/7020-030319085705.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=74649)


(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/74/7020-030319085724.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=74650)
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on March 04, 2019, 07:29:52 AM
Hi folks, do you think this Ironing Crease is a good representation of the original? It's a bit more economical than the Fleischmann.

Not sure if it's plastic or metal - I'm guessing plastic?

https://www.lemkecollection.de/de/Uebersicht/Spur-N/E-Lok-E10.3-BR114-499-7-DB-creme-rot-Ep.IV]
[url]https://www.lemkecollection.de/de/Uebersicht/Spur-N/E-Lok-E10.3-BR114-499-7-DB-creme-rot-Ep.IV (http://[url)[/url]

Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: ntpntpntp on March 04, 2019, 07:48:32 AM
Think I've got one somewhere - it would have been an ebay bargain.

Lemke / Hobbytrain are decent models, yes.  No worries buying that brand. 

A lot of Hobbytrain models are produced by Kato, though there are a few items that I believe are produced by other far east factories - eg. the tamper.  You'll find some of the Conrad branded models are from the same source.   I have a few Conrad locos (Taurus, BR 111 amongst others)

Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: swisstrains on March 04, 2019, 11:03:40 AM
I think this loco is made for Hobbytrain by Ajin in South Korea.
To save on development costs Hobbytrain have used this chassis on their new Swiss Re4/4 and it appears to be a good runner.
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on March 04, 2019, 12:09:20 PM
I think this loco is made for Hobbytrain by Ajin in South Korea.
To save on development costs Hobbytrain have used this chassis on their new Swiss Re4/4 and it appears to be a good runner.

Thanks chaps, I've just won one on Ebay. Finally got my retro loco!!!

Matt
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on March 04, 2019, 12:50:16 PM
I've got around to weathering the Globibahn 'Stellwerk'. It was looking a bit too clean for something that's been standing there since the 1960's!

It's had a wash of white acrylic to run into the cement work. Once dry I've dry brushed it in the original brick colour to bring it back again more fully.

Next it's had a wash of dark grey mixed with dark brown to dirty up the roof and lower concrete walls.

Just need to put a football on the roof  :D.

The building is only lose-fitted together, as I plan to interior light it nicely.

before...

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/74/7020-040319125249.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=74694)

and after....

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/74/7020-040319124810.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=74692)

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/74/7020-040319124828.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=74693)


Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on March 04, 2019, 04:18:17 PM
And here's progress since early October.... 8)


(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/74/7020-040319161749.png) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=74695)


(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/74/7020-040319161809.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=74696)
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on March 05, 2019, 10:34:03 AM
Gravel now added to the flat roof of the signal box. It's sand glued down with very evenly spread PVA.

And engineers have dumped rusty rails in the bushes by the track. :)


(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/74/7020-050319103311.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=74708)


(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/74/7020-050319103338.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=74709)
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: mika on March 05, 2019, 02:25:46 PM
Well done, Matt.
The pictures show that you've come a long way (wish I had made as much progress over the last year, let alone your five months...)
Weathering on the signal box looks good.

Best,
Michael
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on March 05, 2019, 05:00:05 PM
Well done, Matt.
The pictures show that you've come a long way (wish I had made as much progress over the last year, let alone your five months...)
Weathering on the signal box looks good.

Best,
Michael

Thanks Michael! It is a slow process indeed.... :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on March 05, 2019, 05:11:54 PM
Any tips on good 1:160 flexible platform edging strip?  :hmmm:

Cheers
Matt
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: swisstrains on March 05, 2019, 09:16:25 PM
Any tips on good 1:160 flexible platform edging strip?  :hmmm:

Cheers
Matt

There's a couple of platform edging strips here:

https://www.modellbahnshop-lippe.com/produkt/Brawa/5-2-0-5733-004010-0-0-0-0-0-0-grp-gb-p-0/ein_produkt.html (https://www.modellbahnshop-lippe.com/produkt/Brawa/5-2-0-5733-004010-0-0-0-0-0-0-grp-gb-p-0/ein_produkt.html)

https://www.modellbahnshop-lippe.com/produkt/Auhagen/46-2-0-60795-004014-0-0-0-0-0-0-grp-gb-p-0/ein_produkt.html
 (https://www.modellbahnshop-lippe.com/produkt/Auhagen/46-2-0-60795-004014-0-0-0-0-0-0-grp-gb-p-0/ein_produkt.html)


If you don't want anything too fancy you could always use your favourite grey card. ;) I find balsa wood makes a good, easily shaped core on which to glue your card. Some of my old style low platforms are actually 100% balsa sealed and then suitably painted.
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: swisstrains on March 05, 2019, 09:40:12 PM
I know German platforms tend to be slightly different to Swiss ones but these might give you some ideas.

This more modern style platform is balsa wood with a plasticard edging strip.
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/59/193-221217201336.jpeg)

This older style one is simply shaped balsa painted and scribed to represent stone edging.
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/53/193-010817160837.jpeg)


Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on March 05, 2019, 11:17:37 PM
I know German platforms tend to be slightly different to Swiss ones but these might give you some ideas.


Fab John, useul pictures, I might keep it simple with card!  :thumbsup:

Cheers
Matt
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on March 05, 2019, 11:20:20 PM
Anbody know if this Minitrix model is a good version of the ICE1? I've never had metal-bodied locos/trains before. :hmmm:

https://www.trix.de/de/produkte/details/article/12123/1775/?tx_torrpdb_pi1%5Bbacklink%5D=1775&tx_torrpdb_pi1%5Bpage%5D=3&tx_torrpdb_pi1%5Bperpage%5D=20&tx_torrpdb_pi1%5Bera%5D=0&tx_torrpdb_pi1%5Bnewonly%5D=0&tx_torrpdb_pi1%5Bavailable_only%5D=0&tx_torrpdb_pi1%5Bgaugechoice%5D=7&tx_torrpdb_pi1%5Bgroupchoice%5D=8&tx_torrpdb_pi1%5Bsubgroupchoice%5D=0&tx_torrpdb_pi1%5Bsearchstring%5D=&tx_torrpdb_pi1%5Bsearch_artnum%5D=&tx_torrpdb_pi1%5Bcatalog%5D=0&tx_torrpdb_pi1%5Bsearchres%5D=0&tx_torrpdb_pi1%5Bfeature%5D=0&tx_torrpdb_pi1%5Blang%5D=2 (https://www.trix.de/de/produkte/details/article/12123/1775/?tx_torrpdb_pi1%5Bbacklink%5D=1775&tx_torrpdb_pi1%5Bpage%5D=3&tx_torrpdb_pi1%5Bperpage%5D=20&tx_torrpdb_pi1%5Bera%5D=0&tx_torrpdb_pi1%5Bnewonly%5D=0&tx_torrpdb_pi1%5Bavailable_only%5D=0&tx_torrpdb_pi1%5Bgaugechoice%5D=7&tx_torrpdb_pi1%5Bgroupchoice%5D=8&tx_torrpdb_pi1%5Bsubgroupchoice%5D=0&tx_torrpdb_pi1%5Bsearchstring%5D=&tx_torrpdb_pi1%5Bsearch_artnum%5D=&tx_torrpdb_pi1%5Bcatalog%5D=0&tx_torrpdb_pi1%5Bsearchres%5D=0&tx_torrpdb_pi1%5Bfeature%5D=0&tx_torrpdb_pi1%5Blang%5D=2)
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: ntpntpntp on March 05, 2019, 11:50:22 PM
I've not really encountered the Minitrix ICE 1, other than a friend had one of the first versions of the model many years ago which had a rather weird and unreliable coupling design as I recall, which was improved on later editions.
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on March 06, 2019, 10:59:27 AM
New addition to the Globibahn: a EuroCity Globigold!  8)

Minitrix coaches and Hobbytrain Ironing Crease loco, all Ebay bargains. I'll need to install a chip so haven't run the loco yet - don't worry track power fully disengaged for the photo shoot!  :D

Initial impressions very pleased, there's a great colour match between the loco and coaches. The coaches are up to the same high build standard as the TEN coaches I have also from Minitrix and are close coupled. The loco is not close coupled but hardly noticeable. It was a total steal at the price I got it.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/74/7020-060319105640.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=74732)

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/74/7020-060319105703.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=74734)

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/74/7020-060319105724.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=74735)

And of course the Ironing Crease will also be seen heading up premium GlobiNacht services....

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/74/7020-060319111511.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=74736)
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: swisstrains on March 06, 2019, 11:38:56 AM
That's a lovely looking set Matt :thumbsup: The TEE livery was great.
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on March 07, 2019, 11:46:31 AM
I'm sad to say my dad passed away yesterday. He was with my mum and went peacefully. He was a wonderful father!
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on March 07, 2019, 11:47:37 AM
That's a lovely looking set Matt :thumbsup: The TEE livery was great.

Thanks John, yes I'm very happy with it. I've always wanted a model TEE and finally I have one!
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Gizzy on March 07, 2019, 11:51:40 AM
I'm sad to say my dad passed away yesterday. He was with my mum and went peacefully. He was a wonderful father!
Sorry to hear of your loss....
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: dannyboy on March 07, 2019, 12:16:30 PM
Sorry to hear about your Dad, at least it was peaceful.
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: weave on March 07, 2019, 12:17:48 PM
Hi Matt,

Sorry for your loss too. Glad it was peaceful and that your Mum was with him as well.

Take care, weave.
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: RailGooner on March 07, 2019, 12:33:24 PM
Sorry for your terrible loss. :heart:
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on March 07, 2019, 01:56:22 PM
Hi Matt,

Sorry for your loss too. Glad it was peaceful and that your Mum was with him as well.

Take care, weave.

Thank you all of you, you're such a nice group of people!

Matt
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: swisstrains on March 07, 2019, 06:53:14 PM
I'm sad to say my dad passed away yesterday. He was with my mum and went peacefully. He was a wonderful father!

I'm sorry to hear about your dad, Matt. My thoughts are with you and your mum. It's horrible losing a parent, they were always there for us and we think they will be around for ever. As you were obviously very close to your dad could a small "feature" in his memory be incorporated into your layout? Just a thought.
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: dannyboy on March 07, 2019, 07:01:36 PM
@Globibahn (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=7020)
Matt, if you want to do something like @swisstrains (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=193) suggests, you could do worse than have a word with Robbie at

http://www.robbiesrollingstock.co.uk/index.htm (http://www.robbiesrollingstock.co.uk/index.htm)

Here are two he did for me in memory of my parents -

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/73/4209-280119130625.jpeg)
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/73/4209-280119130555.jpeg)

Well worth the money and unique .
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on March 08, 2019, 06:56:13 AM
I'm sad to say my dad passed away yesterday. He was with my mum and went peacefully. He was a wonderful father!

I'm sorry to hear about your dad, Matt. My thoughts are with you and your mum. It's horrible losing a parent, they were always there for us and we think they will be around for ever. As you were obviously very close to your dad could a small "feature" in his memory be incorporated into your layout? Just a thought.

Thank you John, yes it's very hard to lose someone so close! I think your suggestion is brilliant - in fact I have an idea for this already! Won't reveal it just yet though.

Cheers
Matt
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: daffy on March 08, 2019, 08:37:01 AM
So sorry to hear of the passing of your Dad, Matt. My sincere condolences to you and your Mum. May the memories of all you shared with him sustain you and inspire you.
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on March 08, 2019, 09:27:28 AM
@Globibahn ([url]https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=7020[/url])
Matt, if you want to do something like @swisstrains ([url]https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=193[/url]) suggests, you could do worse than have a word with Robbie at

[url]http://www.robbiesrollingstock.co.uk/index.htm[/url] ([url]http://www.robbiesrollingstock.co.uk/index.htm[/url])

Here are two he did for me in memory of my parents -

([url]https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/73/4209-280119130625.jpeg[/url])
([url]https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/73/4209-280119130555.jpeg[/url])

Well worth the money and unique .


Those are really cool David!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on March 08, 2019, 09:28:34 AM
So sorry to hear of the passing of your Dad, Matt. My sincere condolences to you and your Mum. May the memories of all you shared with him sustain you and inspire you.

Thank you for your kind words Mike!

Matt
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: NScaleNotes on March 08, 2019, 09:42:06 AM
My condolences go out to you and your family Matt.
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on March 08, 2019, 10:06:00 PM
My condolences go out to you and your family Matt.

Thank you!

Matt
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on March 08, 2019, 10:09:26 PM
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/74/7020-080319220623.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=74814)

I've succesfully installed a Zimo decoder in my BR110 Bügelfalte. She's running pretty good but there is a slight (very faint) squeeking noise.  :hmmm:

I've never done loco maintenance before, any tips?

Cheers
Matt
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: ntpntpntp on March 09, 2019, 09:54:26 AM
Squeak or screech?    Is it a brand new loco?

Screeches are caused by dry high speed bearings (eg. the motor itself). Tiniest drop of oil sorts that out.

Squeaks are dry low speed bearings (eg. axles) or sometimes pickups rubbing.   With these it depends on the design of the model as the the best approach with regard to lubrication: if the axles are part of the pickup path (quite common with more recent far-east designs), or it's a pickup wiper which is the problem, then cleaning and *maybe* the tiniest drop of something like Powerlube. Need to be careful not to introduce something which acts as an insulator.
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on March 09, 2019, 02:13:29 PM
Squeak or screech?    Is it a brand new loco?

Screeches are caused by dry high speed bearings (eg. the motor itself). Tiniest drop of oil sorts that out.

Squeaks are dry low speed bearings (eg. axles) or sometimes pickups rubbing.   With these it depends on the design of the model as the the best approach with regard to lubrication: if the axles are part of the pickup path (quite common with more recent far-east designs), or it's a pickup wiper which is the problem, then cleaning and *maybe* the tiniest drop of something like Powerlube. Need to be careful not to introduce something which acts as an insulator.

Thanks Nick,

It's a used loco but I don't think it's had much or any actual use. I think I'll send it in for a service check just to be on the safe side.

Matt
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on March 10, 2019, 07:56:52 AM
Hi all,

I've been trying to stick with Minitrix for my passenger coaching stock as very happy with it. However, I'd like some blue/cream TEE/EC AVMZ/BPMZ type coaches but there's not much Minitrix out there on the used market. Does anyone have any similar Fleischmann models and how well do you rate them (as these are more readily available)? Would they combine well with my Minitrix stock if I wanted to mix the rakes up?

Cheers
Matt

P.s. anybody got a PDF of the 2017 Fleischmann catalogue?

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/74/7020-100319075612.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=74824)
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: swisstrains on March 10, 2019, 09:10:36 AM
Hi Matt. I'm not an expert on the finer details of German coaches so can't say whose version of a particular coach is most accurate but from a quality point of view there is little to chose between Minitrix and Fleischmann. I regularly mix Fleischmann and Minitrix coaches and they all live happily together.
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on March 10, 2019, 09:15:57 AM
Hi Matt. I'm not an expert on the finer details of German coaches so can't say whose version of a particular coach is most accurate but from a quality point of view there is little to chose between Minitrix and Fleischmann. I regularly mix Fleischmann and Minitrix coaches and they all live happily together.

Great John, that's reassured me I'll be OK and makes a much wider range of choice!

Cheers
Matt

P.s. I managed to find a new blue/cream Hobbytrain TEE ironing crease loco on substantial discount at a German shop, can't wait for arrival. Seems unusual to obtain stuff cheaper from Germany than available in the UK! Also dodged the postage bill by buying a REE Maersk container wagon with it, keen to see what that's like.
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: swisstrains on March 10, 2019, 09:29:28 AM
Hi Matt. I'm not an expert on the finer details of German coaches so can't say whose version of a particular coach is most accurate but from a quality point of view there is little to chose between Minitrix and Fleischmann. I regularly mix Fleischmann and Minitrix coaches and they all live happily together.


Great John, that's reassured me I'll be OK and makes a much wider range of choice!

Cheers
Matt

P.s. I managed to find a new blue/cream Hobbytrain TEE ironing crease loco on substantial discount at a German shop, can't wait for arrival. Seems unusual to obtain stuff cheaper from Germany than available in the UK! Also dodged the postage bill by buying a REE Maersk container wagon with it, keen to see what that's like.


Looks like you will be getting some nice additions to the Globibahn soon Matt. :thumbsup: I buy most of my models from Germany. Even if I have to pay postage the prices are no worse and often cheaper than from a UK dealer. There's one particular UK dealer who I know you deal with whose prices are astronomical for many Continental items. :thumbsdown:
Incidentally there are some 2017 FLM pdf's here (In German): http://www.mbs-sebnitz.de/downloads-2017#Fleischmann-2017 (http://www.mbs-sebnitz.de/downloads-2017#Fleischmann-2017)
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on March 10, 2019, 09:45:24 AM

There's one particular UK dealer who I know you deal with whose prices are astronomical for many Continental items. :thumbsdown:


Ha ha yes I know that UK dealer you refer to! In fairness to them however, they do have excellent after-sales (phone advice, they don't quibble over returns etc.), which is very useful for the novice.

Previously I hadn't considered buying track and accessories from Germany but that may well be worth doing from now on.

Cheers
Matt
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on March 10, 2019, 09:52:29 AM
The method of sticking railway track behind greyboard to stop warping on the retaining wall worked rather well. It is 97% straight and true (close enough for me :D). The very last 5cm where it tapers off had gone slightly wonky, due to me sticking extra greyboard behind it for strength. I've trued it up by removing the extra grey board, using bare rails instead and it's now totally in line! 8)

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/74/7020-100319095056.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=74825)

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/74/7020-100319095115.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=74826)

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/74/7020-100319095806.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=74827)

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/74/7020-100319095825.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=74828)
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: swisstrains on March 10, 2019, 10:06:37 AM

There's one particular UK dealer who I know you deal with whose prices are astronomical for many Continental items. :thumbsdown:


Ha ha yes I know that UK dealer you refer to! In fairness to them however, they do have excellent after-sales (phone advice, they don't quibble over returns etc.), .........................


Yes, fortunately, that's true. The last time I dealt with them the loco they sent had obviously been dropped as it had bits missing and was bent like a banana. They did exchange it though. :D
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: ntpntpntp on March 10, 2019, 10:31:26 AM
As has been mentioned, nothing really to choose between Minitrix and Fleischmann, I also mix the two brands all the time.   Arnold are perfectly decent too, though the older coaches from the 80s can feel a little more plastic-y.

I've always been a fan of Roco coaches, I preferred the more satin finish to the rather glossy Mx and Fl models  back in the 80s and 90s.  Of course some Roco are now under released the Fleischmann label.

As far as buying from Gemany goes, again I used to do it all the time.  Nowadays not always worthwhile savings, but I just treat ebay, UK shops and German shops as my main sources and shop around between them for the best deal.   Swiss shops always seem to have been more expensive.
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Hiawatha on March 10, 2019, 11:34:18 AM
Sorry to read about your father, Matt.



Are your Minitrix coaches from the IC display set 15805?

Regarding suitable 2nd class coaches for your IC (a TEE would not include 2nd class), I would recommend the new Arnold set HN4201, because you'll get three Bpmz coaches in one go. (Two or even three sets would be a more prototypical ratio for the two 1st class coaches you already have!)
e.g.: https://www.modellbahnshop-lippe.com/produkt/Arnold/17-2-0-240769-002003-0-0-3-8-2-0-grp-gb-p-0/ein_produkt.html (https://www.modellbahnshop-lippe.com/produkt/Arnold/17-2-0-240769-002003-0-0-3-8-2-0-grp-gb-p-0/ein_produkt.html)

These Bpmz coaches have also been made by Roco or Minitrix but it doesn't make sense to buy a single used Roco 24303 for €19.99 on ebay and then having to pay €17 for shipping from Germany. :thumbsdown: If you can find one at a swapmeet, they are fine though (may even be better than the newer Arnold mould).

The Germans usually moan about Fleischmann coaches as they are usually higher than the other brands. Okay if you have a rake solely made up of Fleischmann coaches but not so great when mixing with Minitrix or Arnold. Roco coaches usually sit (prototypically) lowest of all the brands, but newer Fleischmann releases using the Roco moulds do too (I don't know if the Bpmz has been already released under Fleischmann.)
The coach you show is really too old for an IC or EC as it has sliding windows (= no air conditioning) and would not have been used for higher speed trains.

And as you asked about "Bügelfalte" locos: I think the Hobbytrain version is the best of the four (2 different Minitrix, Fleischmann, Hobbytrain). IMHO, it's just a pity that your particular version was released as a BR 114 instead of a 112. The BR 112 was the high-speed version of the 110 but after 20+ years of hard service and increasing defects the 112's were renumbered to 114 and restricted to a top speed of 140 and then just 120 km/h. (Later they received bogies from retired 110's and were accordingly renumbered into the BR 110 with a top speed of 150 km/h). :confused1:
So, the 114 version was only used for local trains and "Eilzüge" but not anymore for express trains. Your 114 499-7 is the very same locomotive that Minitrix has produced in its earlier guise as 112 499-9 (MT 12055) and shows all the modifications on the prototype, like removal of the front skirts and streamlined buffer fairings, and changing the side vents from a (simulated) continuous grille to six separate vents and one engine room window as on the standard BR 110.
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on March 10, 2019, 02:33:52 PM

Yes, fortunately, that's true. The last time I dealt with them the loco they sent had obviously been dropped as it had bits missing and was bent like a banana. They did exchange it though. :D

LOL I hope they did!! :D
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on March 10, 2019, 02:37:47 PM
Swiss shops always seem to have been more expensive.

Everything in Switzerland costs more than elsewhere!

I was in Zürich last year and purchased an issue of Surprise (Swiss version of Big Issue) - it is 6CHF or £4.50!!!! Bonkers.
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on March 10, 2019, 02:52:59 PM
Sorry to read about your father, Matt.

Are your Minitrix coaches from the IC display set 15805?

Regarding suitable 2nd class coaches for your IC (a TEE would not include 2nd class), I would recommend the new Arnold set HN4201, because you'll get three Bpmz coaches in one go.

The Germans usually moan about Fleischmann coaches as they are usually higher than the other brands. Okay if you have a rake solely made up of Fleischmann coaches but not so great when mixing with Minitrix or Arnold.


Thank you for your kind thoughts re. dad!

Yes, I believe the Minitrix coaches did originate from that display set, they look identical.

I was also aware of the German moans about F.M. being a bit long-legged but I've never had a good look at one to see for myself.

I'm not keen on mixing the latest Arnold coaches with M.T. This is because I have the newer Arnold white/red IC coaches, which are very nice models but have a noticably lower average roof height than the M.T. which would disturb me if in a rake. Sleepless nights and so and and so forth... :D

I'll probably keep the blue/beige rake seperate from the red/cream most of the time (once I've aquired it) with the corresponding blue/beige 'Bügelfalte' loco, but would like to intermix them occasionally just to change things up. I don't mind the blue/beige train being rather more old school, to reflect that being an earlier colour scheme. I'm sticking with trains being 3 coaches long on this small layout.

I'll keep an eye on Ebay and see what turns up!

Cheers
Matt

P.s. I find the numbering system and slight variations of German electric locos impossible to get my head around - hope I'm not alone!
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on March 10, 2019, 03:27:10 PM
Just found this photographic height comparison of IC carriages on a German forum, rather handy!!!

http://www.rueckert2010.de/Modellbahn-Spur-N/Modellbahn-H-henvergleich-diverse-Reisezugwagen (http://www.rueckert2010.de/Modellbahn-Spur-N/Modellbahn-H-henvergleich-diverse-Reisezugwagen)  8)
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: swisstrains on March 10, 2019, 08:53:27 PM
I have obviously been very lucky with the coach combinations that I run as there are generally no noticeable differences in buffer heights or roofline heights despite having rakes containing similar coaches from different manufacturers. The only exception would possibly be the Minitrix SBB Panoramawagen which rides slightly higher than other makes. As the original is higher than a standard coach this would not normally be a problem but it is made more obvious because the paintwork does not line up with similarly liveried coaches.

Just found this photographic height comparison of IC carriages on a German forum, rather handy!!!

[url]http://www.rueckert2010.de/Modellbahn-Spur-N/Modellbahn-H-henvergleich-diverse-Reisezugwagen[/url] ([url]http://www.rueckert2010.de/Modellbahn-Spur-N/Modellbahn-H-henvergleich-diverse-Reisezugwagen[/url])  8)




Yes Matt, a potentially useful site although when I compared my Fleischmann 8138/8139 Umbauwagen they were both exactly the same height despite being different in their photos. :confused2:


Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on March 11, 2019, 05:07:49 PM
I don't suppose someone would be kind enough to annotate (on the attached track diagram) how I should place the Busch dummy signals set?

Ta muchly in advance. :beers:
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on March 11, 2019, 05:10:25 PM
Yes Matt, a potentially useful site although when I compared my Fleischmann 8138/8139 Umbauwagen they were both exactly the same height despite being different in their photos. :confused2:

LOL, maybe I'm thinking about it in too much depth. Probably not a topic to raise with the next girl I go on a date with :D

I really like those SBB panorama carriages, very cool indeed.  :thumbsup:

Matt
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: ntpntpntp on March 11, 2019, 07:19:20 PM
I don't suppose someone would be kind enough to annotate (on the attached track diagram) how I should place the Busch dummy signals set?

Ta muchly in advance. :beers:

I'm sure it would be very easy to go overboard with signals on such a small layout, for example entry and exit signals for the station area, and considerations such as can a train depart from those sidings or are they only for shunting/assembling stock?  It makes a difference as to which signals are appropriate. 

I would probably want to use signals with a combined Hp and Sh head at the exit of each siding, and also signals on the main line to protect the points where the sidings join.    There probably isn't really anywhere you could use the stand-alone Vr distant signals, but maybe if you had an exit signal at the end of the Eastbound platform that could be one with the Hp and Vr signal heads on the same post, with the Vr being advanced warning of the Hp which protects the sidings.

I'll try and annotate your diagram if I can, but bit busy with work at the moment :-(
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on March 11, 2019, 07:30:06 PM

I'm sure it would be very easy to go overboard with signals on such a small layout, for example entry and exit signals for the station area, and considerations such as can a train depart from those sidings or are they only for shunting/assembling stock?  It makes a difference as to which signals are appropriate. 

I'll try and annotate your diagram if I can, but bit busy with work at the moment :-(

Thanks Nick, there's certainly no rush. Hope your ride out the work stress ok!

I'd say the southern most siding is more of the train departing sort, while the sidings in the centre of the oval could be more shunting/assembling based? I'm not really fussed though.

Cheers
Matt
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: ntpntpntp on March 11, 2019, 08:16:12 PM

First very quick stab.  I doubt it's entirely correct, as you probably don't have enough of the required types of signal?

Reasoning behind my suggested uses:

#6) I assumed this was some sort of bay platform as it's in your station area? Hence it would show Hp0 (stop) or Hp2 (slow) to allow a train to depart onto the main line. Ideally I'd want it to have Sh0 & Sh1 also to maybe release a loco,  but you don't have enough of that type in your Busch set?

#3) Straight forward block signal Hp0 or Hp1 at the end of the platform (I assume there's a platform there?)

#B) Block signal Hp0 or Hp1 at the end of the platform, also with Vr0 and Vr1 so show that the next signal #5 might be Hp0 or Hp1

#9) & #A) Exit signals from the sidings, would show Hp0 or Hp2 to allow a complete train to exit slowly onto the main line. Also has Sh0 and Sh1 to allow shunting.

#5) Standard block signal.  Ideally I'd want something more like another A so you'd have Sh signals to allow shunting.

#8) and #7) can show Hp0, hp1 or Hp2.  #7) would show only Hp0 or Hp2 as you'd need to progress slowly out of the siding.  Ideally both 7 & 8 could also have Vr heads to show the state of #3.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/74/5885-110319195354.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=74876)


I'm sure if I were to show the above to my German friend who works for DB he'd rip it apart. I've probably mixed up Einfahr-, Ausfahr- and Block signals!   I usually ask him to mark up my track plans with required signals.
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: swisstrains on March 11, 2019, 09:43:38 PM
I notice that Matt has omitted the trailing crossover between signals 5 and 8. 
Nick, would this influence your positioning? If so could you use Signal C opposite Signal 8 as protection for the crossover and the sidings exit and move Signal 5 to the tunnel entrance?
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: ntpntpntp on March 11, 2019, 10:18:46 PM
@swisstrains (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=193) Well I'd either move 5 to protect the trailing crossover, or replace it with C to include a Vr head.   8 would also have to move to protect the crossover.    Already feels like too many signals for a small layout  :hmmm: 


(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/74/5885-110319221538.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=74880)
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on March 12, 2019, 08:49:33 AM

First very quick stab.  I doubt it's entirely correct, as you probably don't have enough of the required types of signal?

Reasoning behind my suggested uses:

#6) I assumed this was some sort of bay platform as it's in your station area? Hence it would show Hp0 (stop) or Hp2 (slow) to allow a train to depart onto the main line. Ideally I'd want it to have Sh0 & Sh1 also to maybe release a loco,  but you don't have enough of that type in your Busch set?

#3) Straight forward block signal Hp0 or Hp1 at the end of the platform (I assume there's a platform there?)

#B) Block signal Hp0 or Hp1 at the end of the platform, also with Vr0 and Vr1 so show that the next signal #5 might be Hp0 or Hp1

#9) & #A) Exit signals from the sidings, would show Hp0 or Hp2 to allow a complete train to exit slowly onto the main line. Also has Sh0 and Sh1 to allow shunting.

#5) Standard block signal.  Ideally I'd want something more like another A so you'd have Sh signals to allow shunting.

#8) and #7) can show Hp0, hp1 or Hp2.  #7) would show only Hp0 or Hp2 as you'd need to progress slowly out of the siding.  Ideally both 7 & 8 could also have Vr heads to show the state of #3.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/74/5885-110319195354.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=74876)


I'm sure if I were to show the above to my German friend who works for DB he'd rip it apart. I've probably mixed up Einfahr-, Ausfahr- and Block signals!   I usually ask him to mark up my track plans with required signals.

Gosh thank you Nick, that's incredible. Yes there is a shared platform betwix the northern most siding and the outer main line.

Thank you so much, it looks great!

Matt
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on March 12, 2019, 08:50:11 AM
I notice that Matt has omitted the trailing crossover between signals 5 and 8. 
Nick, would this influence your positioning? If so could you use Signal C opposite Signal 8 as protection for the crossover and the sidings exit and move Signal 5 to the tunnel entrance?

Ha ha well spotted, you know the Globibahn better than I do!!!! :D :laughabovepost:
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on March 12, 2019, 08:51:32 AM
@swisstrains (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=193) Well I'd either move 5 to protect the trailing crossover, or replace it with C to include a Vr head.   8 would also have to move to protect the crossover.    Already feels like too many signals for a small layout  :hmmm: 


(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/74/5885-110319221538.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=74880)

Nice adjustment, cheers for that!  :beers: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on March 12, 2019, 09:10:53 AM
Right-ho, before I can start to install anything uprising from the board e.g. lamps/signals/catenary, got to get the under-board wiring properly sorted.

So the power buses for lighting and track power are being re-done, this time to allow the board to be lifted for future moving. Bit of retrospective surgery required on the baseboard and supports, will try to keep intrusion as minimal as possible!

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/74/7020-120319090955.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=74892)

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/74/7020-120319091014.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=74893)
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on March 12, 2019, 09:32:00 AM
Here are my notches. Actually I might just bundle the lighting bus with the power bus. then I won't need so many notches. There's plenty of room methinks.


(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/74/7020-120319093152.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=74894)
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: swisstrains on March 12, 2019, 09:36:20 AM
Looking much tidier Matt. How did you manage to drill the holes through the strengthening battens so close to the ply?
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: swisstrains on March 12, 2019, 09:43:55 AM
Here are my notches. Actually I might just bundle the lighting bus with the power bus. then I won't need so many notches. There's plenty of room methinks.


(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/74/7020-120319093152.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=74894)



Hi Matt. Personally I would keep the power bus and the lighting bus separate. I am not an expert on these matters but you do hear tales of interference from other sources affecting DCC signals. How true it is I don't know but for the sake of a few more notches is it worth taking the chance?
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on March 12, 2019, 09:44:26 AM
Looking much tidier Matt. How did you manage to drill the holes through the strengthening battens so close to the ply?

Thanks John!

Well, I figured that the hole only needs to be close to the ply on one side of the strut, so I drilled at a slight angle from the other side.

Here's what the other side of the strut looks like, where it does not need to be so flush.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/74/7020-120319094344.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=74895)
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on March 12, 2019, 09:46:30 AM
Hi Matt. Personally I would keep the power bus and the lighting bus separate. I am not an expert on these matters but you do hear tales of interference from other sources affecting DCC signals. How true it is I don't know but for the sake of a few more notches is it worth taking the chance?

Very good point! Actually it will look much neater and will also be more easy to organise the wiring with independant notches and a totally seperate loop.
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: swisstrains on March 12, 2019, 09:55:02 AM
Looking much tidier Matt. How did you manage to drill the holes through the strengthening battens so close to the ply?

Thanks John!

Well, I figured that the hole only needs to be close to the ply on one side of the strut, so I drilled at a slight angle from the other side.

Here's what the other side of the strut looks like, where it does not need to be so flush.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/74/7020-120319094344.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=74895)


Good thinking Batman  :D(showing my age) Doing it that way certainly reduces the depth of your notches. I was about to ask where you obtained your ultra slim flexible drill bit. ;)
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on March 12, 2019, 10:15:41 AM

Good thinking Batman  :D(showing my age) Doing it that way certainly reduces the depth of your notches. I was about to ask where you obtained your ultra slim flexible drill bit. ;)

Don't worry John,  I watched the original Batman series too! LOL yes it's no magic trickery.

So here's the way it's looking with the two buses separated.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/74/7020-120319101530.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=74896)
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on March 12, 2019, 10:28:30 AM
And here's the corresponding notches:


(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/74/7020-120319102825.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=74897)
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on March 12, 2019, 03:16:53 PM
While I've got the baseboard up, I wondered if I should also add screws to the struts/ply? They've only been clamped with wood glue.  :hmmm:

If I ever live on a decommissioned nuclear submarine (perfectly feasible) :D, in theory moisture could weaken the joints.
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Gizzy on March 12, 2019, 03:25:33 PM
While I've got the baseboard up, I wondered if I should also add screws to the struts/ply? They've only been clamped with wood glue.  :hmmm:

If I ever live on a decommissioned nuclear submarine (perfectly feasible) :D, in theory moisture could weaken the joints.
Screw and glue every time.

Belts and braces....
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on March 12, 2019, 05:11:07 PM

Screw and glue every time.

Belts and braces....

Righty-ho, I've added lots of reinforcement screws, having to avoid scenery on top and wiring underneath. Nightmare but good precaution methinks!

So the layout can now be positioned in the officer's mess of the Red October with no undue worries about moisture. :D
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on March 12, 2019, 05:25:13 PM
Oh fluncky dooodling blimmin heck!

I've mis-measured. I forgot that the 4.5 x 4.5cm section pine which makes up the trollies has a different cross-section to the 4.5 x 2.5cm battens under the ply! This puts all the measurements out by several CM and the slots don't line up with the flippin holes in the batten for the wires.

Will have to look at this tomorrow. :-[ :'(

Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: swisstrains on March 12, 2019, 06:11:13 PM
Matt. I've been thinking. Could you screw or glue some small spacers onto the top of your trolley assembly? This would create a small gap for your wiring without the need for notches.
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on March 12, 2019, 06:36:58 PM
Matt. I've been thinking. Could you screw or glue some small spacers onto the top of your trolley assembly? This would create a small gap for your wiring without the need for notches.

Crikey you're right!!!!!! That never occured to me. It would be a lot simpler. If they were absolutely minimal, hopefully it would not be noticable (as the bottom of the trolley struts lines up flush with the bottoms of the board battens, if you get my drift, so it may make them protrude a bit). :thumbsup: :hmmm:
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: swisstrains on March 12, 2019, 08:44:46 PM
The spacers would only need to be about 5 - 8 mm thick. Just enough to create a gap wide enough for your wiring.
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on March 13, 2019, 08:19:12 AM
The spacers would only need to be about 5 - 8 mm thick. Just enough to create a gap wide enough for your wiring.

Hi John,

I've done tests - I can get away with even less than that, as there is actually already a gap of 3 or 4mm between the trollies and the baseboard!

Here it is with spacers attached:  8)

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/74/7020-130319081825.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=74924)

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/74/7020-130319081845.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=74925)
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: swisstrains on March 13, 2019, 09:26:53 AM
A job well done Matt. :thumbsup: Apologies also for suggesting the notches in the first place. I should have given it more thought. :(
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on March 13, 2019, 02:05:12 PM
A job well done Matt. :thumbsup: Apologies also for suggesting the notches in the first place. I should have given it more thought. :(

Thanks John, I'm sincerely grateful that you provided the best solution! The Globibahn would be in a sorry state (like an axed British branchline post-Beeching) were it not for the thoughtful input of those on this forum!!!  :beers:
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on March 14, 2019, 08:21:07 AM
Will any of this actually work? No idea, but at least it looks quite cool!

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/74/7020-140319082038.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=74935)


(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/74/7020-140319082059.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=74936)
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: swisstrains on March 14, 2019, 09:29:42 AM
Will any of this actually work? No idea, but at least it looks quite cool!

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/74/7020-140319082038.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=74935)


(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/74/7020-140319082059.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=74936)



Of course it will work :thumbsup:. But then again, if it doesn't and you think it looks cool you could always hang it on the wall. ::)
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on March 14, 2019, 09:37:44 AM

Of course it will work :thumbsup:. But then again, if it doesn't and you think it looks cool you could always hang it on the wall. ::)

It does indeed work! I'm so happy with it now. 2 days work and you can't see what I've done, which is actually the desired outcome!!!

Cheers again for input on this key phase!!!

P.s. I've put in a much more substantial terminal block connecting the Multimaus lead into the power bus. The Multimaus lead has also been resoldered at the ends as the previous owner had done a pretty poor job.  8)


(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/74/7020-140319093536.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=74937)


(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/74/7020-140319093557.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=74938)
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on March 15, 2019, 04:10:25 PM
I've been weathering up the concrete. Next will be adding trees and shrubbery!

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/74/7020-150319160954.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=74973)

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/74/7020-150319161014.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=74974)
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: ntpntpntp on March 15, 2019, 09:55:50 PM
I've been weathering up the concrete. Next will be adding trees and shrubbery!


(https://66.media.tumblr.com/d3a20ff54956ab3f9be11382febf608f/tumblr_mqbbjvzfFA1szscoro1_500.gif)
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on March 16, 2019, 07:05:07 AM
I've been weathering up the concrete. Next will be adding trees and shrubbery!


(https://66.media.tumblr.com/d3a20ff54956ab3f9be11382febf608f/tumblr_mqbbjvzfFA1szscoro1_500.gif)

Brilliant Nick!!! :-)

"Actually let's not go to Camelot, it is a silly place!"
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on March 17, 2019, 08:51:19 AM
Scratch building in styrene. Judging the building proportions = not easy. One day I may visit the building and see all my huge errors!


(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/75/7020-170319085017.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=75049)

P.s. painted over my concrete effects on the retaining wall, as over-fiddled with it and ruined it  :(
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: swisstrains on March 17, 2019, 09:54:54 AM
Scratch building in styrene. Judging the building proportions = not easy. One day I may visit the building and see all my huge errors!
I look forward to seeing the finished building Matt. The proportions might not be 100% accurate but I have a feeling that this aspect of modelling is one that you will be particularly good at. :thumbsup:

P.s. painted over my concrete effects on the retaining wall, as over-fiddled with it and ruined it  :(
We have all been there Matt. You eventually learn to leave well alone. :-[
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on March 17, 2019, 10:06:11 AM
Scratch building in styrene. Judging the building proportions = not easy. One day I may visit the building and see all my huge errors!
I look forward to seeing the finished building Matt. The proportions might not be 100% accurate but I have a feeling that this aspect of modelling is one that you will be particularly good at. :thumbsup:

P.s. painted over my concrete effects on the retaining wall, as over-fiddled with it and ruined it  :(
We have all been there Matt. You eventually learn to leave well alone. :-[

Thanks John, yes I'm enjoying working on the building!

Cheers :beers:
Matt
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on March 18, 2019, 05:14:50 PM
Couple of new arrivals on the Globibahn this afternoon:

My red TEE loco (just sent off to have a slight squeek fixed) was so gorgeous, just had to have the blue one too!  :D
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/75/7020-180319171120.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=75101)

And here we have a REE Wascosa container duo. The orange is very orange- almost flourescent! Never seen the real things though. First impression is that it's extremely well detailed.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/75/7020-180319171315.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=75102)
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: swisstrains on March 18, 2019, 09:02:17 PM
Some nice additions to the Globibahn Matt. :thumbsup:
The REE container wagon does appear to be a tad brighter than the original Rocky Rail version but when newly outshopped the real ones ARE very orange 8). Needless to say they don't stay like that for long. :no:
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on March 18, 2019, 09:40:10 PM
Some nice additions to the Globibahn Matt. :thumbsup:
The REE container wagon does appear to be a tad brighter than the original Rocky Rail version but when newly outshopped the real ones ARE very orange 8). Needless to say they don't stay like that for long. :no:

Thanks John - yes I see from photos of the protypes now how bright they are - at first!

By the way do you know about this Swiss restoration group Club BM 22-70 working on SBB UIC carriages? I love what they have done!
https://www.facebook.com/schnellzugwagen/ (https://www.facebook.com/schnellzugwagen/)
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: swisstrains on March 19, 2019, 04:14:44 PM

By the way do you know about this Swiss restoration group Club BM 22-70 working on SBB UIC carriages? I love what they have done!
https://www.facebook.com/schnellzugwagen/ (https://www.facebook.com/schnellzugwagen/)


Thanks for the link Matt. It's good to see these old coaches getting some TLC. With a bit of luck they should be around for many years to come.
Coincidentally I received two Kato RIC UIC Cars in the latest SBB livery this morning for my Gotthard Panorama Express set that I am putting together. They add some of these old refitted cars to the train because they have opening windows are more suited to photography.
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on March 19, 2019, 04:42:01 PM

By the way do you know about this Swiss restoration group Club BM 22-70 working on SBB UIC carriages? I love what they have done!
https://www.facebook.com/schnellzugwagen/ (https://www.facebook.com/schnellzugwagen/)


Thanks for the link Matt. It's good to see these old coaches getting some TLC. With a bit of luck they should be around for many years to come.
Coincidentally I received two Kato RIC UIC Cars in the latest SBB livery this morning for my Gotthard Panorama Express set that I am putting together. They add some of these old refitted cars to the train because they have opening windows are more suited to photography.

Great Nick - I'd like to see photos of your Gotthard express. I've been on that train a fair old bit during summer holidays - getting off at Flülen or on the other side at Biasca to do various hikes. Like you say, there were always a couple of UICs on there and it never occured to me it was for the opening windows!

P.s. I meant to ask you, what did SBB do with all their former grey/red door Eurocity coaches - both the Eurofima type and the APM/BPM- they seem to have all mysteriously vanished? It was pretty posh coaching stock. I'm sure all the current black/white/red refurbs are exclusively EWIVs. :hmmm:
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: swisstrains on March 19, 2019, 05:45:23 PM
Great Nick - I'd like to see photos of your Gotthard express. I've been on that train a fair old bit during summer holidays - getting off at Flülen or on the other side at Biasca to do various hikes. Like you say, there were always a couple of UICs on there and it never occured to me it was for the opening windows!
Hi Matt. You're thinking of the good old Zürich/Basel - Locarno trains that disappeared when the Gotthard Base Tunnel opened. :( They did have some coaches with opening windows but I don't think SBB were thinking of photographers when they included them.
The current Gotthard Panoramic Express (GoPEx) has only operated since the new tunnel opened and is aimed mainly at tourists and
it is this train that is marketed as having opening windows for photographers in addition to the normal panoramic coaches.

https://www.sbb.ch/en/leisure-holidays/travel-in-switzerland/panoramareisen/gotthard-panorama-express.html
 (https://www.sbb.ch/en/leisure-holidays/travel-in-switzerland/panoramareisen/gotthard-panorama-express.html)

P.s. I meant to ask you, what did SBB do with all their former grey/red door Eurocity coaches - both the Eurofima type and the APM/BPM- they seem to have all mysteriously vanished? It was pretty posh coaching stock. I'm sure all the current black/white/red refurbs are exclusively EWIVs. :hmmm:

No, they haven't all disappeared. Many are still in service in the "new look" livery. They are still used on some Euro-City services but many are mixed in with EWlV's on domestic services.


P.S. Nick is a very nice name but I think I'll stick with John. I'm too old to change now :D
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on March 19, 2019, 06:52:31 PM

Hi Matt. You're thinking of the good old Zürich/Basel - Locarno trains that disappeared when the Gotthard Base Tunnel opened. :(

https://www.sbb.ch/en/leisure-holidays/travel-in-switzerland/panoramareisen/gotthard-panorama-express.html
 (https://www.sbb.ch/en/leisure-holidays/travel-in-switzerland/panoramareisen/gotthard-panorama-express.html)

P.s. I meant to ask you, what did SBB do with all their former grey/red door Eurocity coaches - both the Eurofima type and the APM/BPM- they seem to have all mysteriously vanished? It was pretty posh coaching stock. I'm sure all the current black/white/red refurbs are exclusively EWIVs. :hmmm:

No, they haven't all disappeared. Many are still in service in the "new look" livery. They are still used on some Euro-City services but many are mixed in with EWlV's on domestic services.


P.S. Nick is a very nice name but I think I'll stick with John. I'm too old to change now :D

Hi John,

I'm so sorry, my head is all over the place arranging dad's funeral!

Re. Gotthard trains, ah yes that would be right, I've not been in the Gotthard region since the tunnel actually opened, thanks for bringing me up-to-date!

Thanks also for explaining about the  coaches, will have to keep eyes peeled to spot them.

Cheers
Matt
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: swisstrains on March 19, 2019, 09:18:05 PM
No need to apologise Matt. We all make mistakes at the best of times and in your present situation it's totally understandable. Try not to worry as I'm certain that you will have done everything possible to ensure that your Dad has the send-off that he deserves.
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on March 20, 2019, 08:12:24 AM
No need to apologise Matt. We all make mistakes at the best of times and in your present situation it's totally understandable. Try not to worry as I'm certain that you will have done everything possible to ensure that your Dad has the send-off that he deserves.

Hi John, thank you - the Celebrant for the service is called Nick and I was emailing him all day, hence the slip-up!

By the way, I'm finding I have some sort of issue with track power. One of the points seems to have a spot which locos cut out when crawling over (weirdly it's right beside a power feed). Also 2 or 3 other random spots on the track have started playing up when locos are at slow speed - strange when I've got so many feeders everywhere.

I'll clean the track again of course but it's not very dirty.

I was going to test voltage - is this the right config for the multimeter and I have a plugged the sensors in the right places?

Cheers
Matt

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/75/7020-200319081216.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=75156)
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Gizzy on March 20, 2019, 08:48:17 AM
Your meter setting on mV is correct but the black lead should be in the common socket and the red one in the right hand socket with V (voltage).

The left hand socket is for high amps (current) and is rarely used, and not needed for model railway use....
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on March 20, 2019, 09:04:03 AM
Your meter setting on mV is correct but the black lead should be in the common socket and the red one in the right hand socket with V (voltage).

The left hand socket is for high amps (current) and is rarely used, and not needed for model railway use....

Thanks Gizzy! Yes got hte multimeter working as you suggest.

So I've tested all parts of the layout. I seem to consistantly get around 176.00 (or 85.00 if I swap the probes) or higher (not sure what the units are). Any tips on this sort of trouble shooting?  :hmmm:
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Gizzy on March 20, 2019, 09:19:05 AM
You should be getting around 9-12 volts if you've turned the power on in DC. But for DCC, I would set the meter for V ~  (Volts AC) and look for a reading.

With fault finding, look for a reading/something/anything there. If you get a reading of zero, then something is clearly missing! You don't need to know the precise numbers at this point....
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: swisstrains on March 20, 2019, 09:47:49 AM

By the way, I'm finding I have some sort of issue with track power. One of the points seems to have a spot which locos cut out when crawling over (weirdly it's right beside a power feed). Also 2 or 3 other random spots on the track have started playing up when locos are at slow speed - strange when I've got so many feeders everywhere.


Hi Matt. You say that the trouble spots are random so this could indicate that it is your loco that is at fault, possibly dirty wheels.
Do you have problems with all your locos?
Another possibility is that glue could have seeped into some of your rail joiners causing an occasional poor connection although it's strange why this has only just happened. I know you have a lot of feeders but you don't have one for every single piece of track so it's still a possibility.
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on March 21, 2019, 08:38:22 AM

Hi Matt. You say that the trouble spots are random so this could indicate that it is your loco that is at fault, possibly dirty wheels.
Do you have problems with all your locos?
Another possibility is that glue could have seeped into some of your rail joiners causing an occasional poor connection although it's strange why this has only just happened. I know you have a lot of feeders but you don't have one for every single piece of track so it's still a possibility.

Ok, done some more diagnosing - it seems there are/were 2 issues. First, the cut outs at random areas of the track were caused by one loco having dirty wheels  :-[ (is the equivalent of leaves on the line?). So that's sorted.

This still leaves one set of points that seems to have poor connection. It's fine when long locos like (e.g. my BR101) run across it, however when I put a loco that's shorter than the length of the points (e.g. my BR112), that loco will cut out when crawling across. This leave me to think I should connect this set of points to the power bus. But where to solder - I'm guessing as far from the tie bar as possible?  :hmmm:
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Gizzy on March 21, 2019, 08:46:41 AM
Solder a feed at the toe of the points.

Although I believe that the short locos might be stalling on an insulated frog.

What track are you using Matt? Peco have insulated and live frog versions of their points....
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on March 21, 2019, 08:51:43 AM
Solder a feed at the toe of the points.

Although I believe that the short locos might be stalling on an insulated frog.

What track are you using Matt? Peco have insulated and live frog versions of their points....

Hi Gizzy

Sorry addendum here - this set of points is fine when my Fleischmann locos crawl over it (these locos it turns out, are also shorter than the length of the points), but are a problem when my brand new Hobbytrain loco crawls over.

It's Fleishmann (i.e. Roco) track with webbing. https://www.fleischmann.de/en/product/55199-0-0-0-0-0-0-005009003-0/products.html (https://www.fleischmann.de/en/product/55199-0-0-0-0-0-0-005009003-0/products.html)

Cheers
Matt

P.s. which part of the points is the toe? :hmmm:

Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Gizzy on March 21, 2019, 09:12:23 AM
No worries re addendum Matt?

I was making assumptions, but now I know you are using the Piccolo track, that helps.

The 'toe' end of the point is the single end, i.e. not the other end where the two roads have diverged. Hope this makes sense without a diagram?

Now I know that it's a different make of loco that is stalling, then it must be a pick up issue of the Hobbytrain loco. Might have to post a picture of the underside for us to look at, as I'm not familiar with their products....
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: swisstrains on March 21, 2019, 09:41:50 AM
Hi Matt. As Gizzy says it sounds like you have a pickup problem on your new Hobbytrain loco. A few things you can try to confirm this...….
Does the new loco still stall when you turn it 180 degrees and run it across these points?
Does your other Hobbytrain loco stall on these points?
I don't have any Hobbytrain locos of this type but the pickups are probably wipers on the back of the flanges. Just a small piece of fluff can cause a bad contact.
When I'm having pickup problems I use two test wires and touch them in turn against the loco wheels to determine where the faulty pickup is.
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on March 21, 2019, 11:22:43 AM

The 'toe' end of the point is the single end, i.e. not the other end where the two roads have diverged. Hope this makes sense without a diagram?

Might have to post a picture of the underside for us to look at, as I'm not familiar with their products....

Hi Gizzy - thanks for explaining Toe End (I got ballet pictures when I googled 'Points Toe')! Is there not a danger of melting the tie bar though, if the rails get over hot? I don't fancy ever having to replace the point, it's deeply embedded in my rail configuration so-to-speak.

Here's the loco.
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/75/7020-210319112056.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=75192)

I should be receiving it's red/beige identical twin sister back soon from being serviced, so can test that to compare.

Matt
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Gizzy on March 21, 2019, 11:36:32 AM
Simple way not to melt the tie bars?

Don't get the rails too hot!

Whenever I've taught soldering, I always recommend you count to 5 once you've applied the iron to the work piece, then take the iron off for precisely this reason....
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on March 21, 2019, 11:48:29 AM
Simple way not to melt the tie bars?

Don't get the rails too hot!

Whenever I've taught soldering, I always recommend you count to 5 once you've applied the iron to the work piece, then take the iron off for precisely this reason....

Good tip - well it looks like it's loco based rather than track-based methinks, so hopefully won't have to.

Matt
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: swisstrains on March 21, 2019, 11:50:22 AM
It's a bit hard to see but looking at your photo I think your loco has pinpoint axles and collects its current through these. Many Kato locos have this arrangement and it is usually very reliable with most problems being caused by dirty wheels.
I don't know much about Fleischmann points but do the point blades switch the current? If they do it could just be a case of a bad contact between the point blades and the fixed rail possibly caused by dirt or a smearing of PVA.  Depending on the configuration of a particular loco (position of traction tyres etc) some might bridge the dodgy section whilst others stall.
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on March 21, 2019, 01:20:30 PM
I don't know much about Fleischmann points but do the point blades switch the current? If they do it could just be a case of a bad contact between the point blades and the fixed rail possibly caused by dirt or a smearing of PVA.

I'm not sure John if the blades switch the current? Here's a photo of said points. You can just about see the feeders almost right beside the Toe, to the right of the photo.

I've watched my locos slowly crawling over this point for 30 mins now everywhich way round. The Hobbytrain loco is stalling intermittently and the Fleischmann still stalls but less frequently.  ???

Right-ho off to watch some paint drying!  :D

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/75/7020-210319132111.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=75194)
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: ntpntpntp on March 21, 2019, 01:41:33 PM
That point looks dirty around the frog area (you've only cleaned the blades?)   also the metal strips in the bottom of the frog could do with a clean.

Have you got a multimeter, so you can test you're getting power at each part of the point?

Worth considering that the Hobbytrain loco may well have different depth flanges compared to Fleischmann models, which can affect whether or not the wheels touch those frog strips.

Hobbytrain are usually very good. I would suggest try lifting one end or other of the loco while the power is on, just to confirm that both bogies are picking up and transferring power reliably.  Or use a pair of wires to test each pair of wheels on the loco.

I've had brand new locos with dodgy pickups, either a loose wire or even too much grease which got onto the pickup wiper pads.
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on March 21, 2019, 01:45:33 PM
That point looks dirty around the frog area (you've only cleaned the blades?)   also the metal strips in the bottom of the frog could do with a clean.

Have you got a multimeter, so you can test you're getting power at each part of the point?

Worth considering that the Hobbytrain loco may well have different depth flanges compared to Fleischmann models, which can affect whether or not the wheels touch those frog strips.

Hobbytrain are usually very good. I would suggest try lifting one end or other of the loco while the power is on, just to confirm that both bogies are picking up and transferring power reliably.  Or use a pair of wires to test each pair of wheels on the loco.

I've had brand new locos with dodgy pickups, either a loose wire or even too much grease which got onto the pickup wiper pads.

Hi Nick,

I've carefully multimetered all over the point, but can't seem to detect a power drop out anywhere. I agree the frog areas are dirty - I had a little light scrape with the multimeter sensors, but what's the best way to clean them?

Cheers
Matt
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: swisstrains on March 21, 2019, 03:23:51 PM
Hi Matt. I thought it was only your new Hobbytrain loco that was stalling but as the others are also playing up I am now even more convinced that it is a point/track cleanliness issue. I see from your photo that, in places, there are small pieces of ballast clinging to the side of the rails. Flanges can catch on these and lift the wheels enough to break the electrical contact. We are only talking of a very small amount, almost invisible to the eye but that's one of the problems with N Gauge. Everything has to be spotlessly clean for good running. Whenever I do any ballasting I go over the track with a magnifying glass in case there are any stray bits of ballast clinging to the rails. After ballasting, in addition to cleaning the tops of all rails it is also beneficial if you clean the inside top edges of the rails because wheel flanges collect current as well as the wheel treads.
We all have our favourite ways of cleaning track. Despite what many say about them I still like the good old track cleaning rubber. You can use it flat on the top of rails or wear a groove in it that helps to clean the inside top edge that I mentioned.  You can even cut pieces off it to get into hard to reach places like the contact strips in your frogs. I also use a small blunt electrical screwdriver for stubborn bits like ballast or dried PVA. For general cleaning around and between point blades I tend to use strips of cardboard or cotton buds soaked in electronic contact cleaner. Whatever you decide to use just be careful not to apply too much force or you will scratch the rails or worse still damage the plastic parts of your points.
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: NScaleNotes on March 21, 2019, 03:32:58 PM
Sorry to interject with an unrelated question: Did you paint all your sleepers concrete colour?

Hats off if you did, that's commitment  :thumbsup:

Good luck tracking the gremlins down.
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on March 21, 2019, 03:57:15 PM
Hi Matt. I thought it was only your new Hobbytrain loco that was stalling but as the others are also playing up I am now even more convinced that it is a point/track cleanliness issue. I see from your photo that, in places, there are small pieces of ballast clinging to the side of the rails. Flanges can catch on these and lift the wheels enough to break the electrical contact. We are only talking of a very small amount, almost invisible to the eye but that's one of the problems with N Gauge. Everything has to be spotlessly clean for good running. Whenever I do any ballasting I go over the track with a magnifying glass in case there are any stray bits of ballast clinging to the rails. After ballasting, in addition to cleaning the tops of all rails it is also beneficial if you clean the inside top edges of the rails because wheel flanges collect current as well as the wheel treads.
We all have our favourite ways of cleaning track. Despite what many say about them I still like the good old track cleaning rubber. You can use it flat on the top of rails or wear a groove in it that helps to clean the inside top edge that I mentioned.  You can even cut pieces off it to get into hard to reach places like the contact strips in your frogs. I also use a small blunt electrical screwdriver for stubborn bits like ballast or dried PVA. For general cleaning around and between point blades I tend to use strips of cardboard or cotton buds soaked in electronic contact cleaner. Whatever you decide to use just be careful not to apply too much force or you will scratch the rails or worse still damage the plastic parts of your points.

Hi John,

I agree it must be the turnout. Right I'll use your tips and give a careful going-over to this area (and others). Will use a light touch to avoid damage.

Cheers for advice, :beers:
Matt
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on March 21, 2019, 03:58:48 PM
Sorry to interject with an unrelated question: Did you paint all your sleepers concrete colour?

Hats off if you did, that's commitment  :thumbsup:

Good luck tracking the gremlins down.

Hi,

I did indeed, 2 coats none-the-less. Nearly drove me bonkers but glad I did it!  8) :D

Matt
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on March 21, 2019, 04:30:56 PM
Righty-ho, I've given a good clean using John's maintenance tips. I polished the frogs with a tiny bit of cut-off track rubber, bought them up nice! Also cleaned inner edges of rails with same method.

It's made an immediate difference to loco running. I see I'll have to do all my other points now  :D  :beers: :thumbsup:

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/75/7020-210319163122.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=75202)
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: swisstrains on March 21, 2019, 08:31:59 PM
Great news Matt. :thumbsup: But don't forget if you decide to paint your rails you will have all that cleaning to do again!!  :D :D
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: swisstrains on March 21, 2019, 08:57:01 PM

I don't know much about Fleischmann points but do the point blades switch the current? ………….

I'm not sure John if the blades switch the current? ………………...

Forgot to answer this before Matt.
I can't see any "jumper links" between the closure rails and the stock rails on your points so I would say that they are current switching and normally rely on the blades making a good electrical contact. Having said that because you have wired your layout for DCC with live sidings and continuous loop mainlines all your points are being electrically fed from both sides so poor blade contact will not be a problem. Hope this makes sense.
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on March 21, 2019, 09:15:32 PM
Great news Matt. :thumbsup: But don't forget if you decide to paint your rails you will have all that cleaning to do again!!  :D :D

ooops sorry spoke to soon, it's acting up again!  :-[
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on March 21, 2019, 10:40:18 PM
Right, I've gone in with a small piece of track rubber on the end of tweezers and scrubbed out every nook and crany  :angel: - all the inside edges of the rails and the frogs again. This seems to have done the trick now! I think there must have been a micro-spot of tarnish somewhere casuing the problem. Unbelievable! G-scalers probably don't get this issue!

P.s. is there any other hobby in which you get to 'polish frogs'? :D
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on March 21, 2019, 11:20:41 PM
Nope, spoke too soon again, it's still not right.  :hmmm: :confused2: :scowl: :veryangry:
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on March 22, 2019, 08:03:15 AM
As a brief interlude to turnout problems....

A new arrival on the Globibahn yesterday in the form of a rake of blue/cream IC coaches.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/75/7020-220319080000.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=75215)


(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/75/7020-220319080401.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=75217)

They are mint condition second hand MiniTrix, tracked down from a small web-shop in Germany (think it was on about page 6 of Google search results!) The coaches are just gorgeous :claphappy:  ;D.

P.s. I wonder who first came up with blue/cream livery idea: British Rail or Deutsche Bahn? :hmmm:

Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Gizzy on March 22, 2019, 08:12:52 AM
Unbelievable! G-scalers probably don't get this issue!



Oh yes we do?

Our track is often outdoors and so gets weathered. Detritus gets on the PW.

I do a annual service on the point motors every spring....
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on March 22, 2019, 08:18:07 AM
Unbelievable! G-scalers probably don't get this issue!



Oh yes we do?

Our track is often outdoors and so gets weathered. Detritus gets on the PW.

I do a annual service on the point motors every spring....

Ah that's interesting, of course never considered that. You big scale guys have to put on PPE and head outdoors with a hammer and chisel  :D
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: ntpntpntp on March 22, 2019, 08:48:32 AM
You know the little Fleischmann track cleaning loco? 
(https://thumbs.worthpoint.com/wpimages/images/images1/360/0212/25/360_33ddf256a3f0a88314a82b32c3d9d5b6.jpg)


Well in G we have this (yes I run G scale too)!
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_ztUQ-Cxz_uc/TPUVK_sNLLI/AAAAAAAAAOY/opltg682HTU/s1600/20670.jpg)

To be honest though, nothing beats going round with a track rubber - just like in N!
(https://www.gardenrailoutlet.co.uk/images/thumbs/0000618_lgb-50040-track-cleaning-block.jpeg)
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Gizzy on March 22, 2019, 08:59:49 AM


Well in G we have this (yes I run G scale too)!
([url]http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_ztUQ-Cxz_uc/TPUVK_sNLLI/AAAAAAAAAOY/opltg682HTU/s1600/20670.jpg[/url])



I have one of those too Nick, and the new PIKO one. And a few wagons with track cleaner attachments?

But yes, you can't beat the LGB track rubber....
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: swisstrains on March 22, 2019, 09:52:08 AM
Hi Matt.
Are all your locos intermittently playing up or just some? Is it always in the same place?
Have you given your layout a good vacuuming to remove the debris you have created. Loose ballast, bits of track rubber etc.
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on March 22, 2019, 10:00:50 AM
Hi Matt.
Are all your locos intermittently playing up or just some? Is it always in the same place?
Have you given your layout a good vacuuming to remove the debris you have created. Loose ballast, bits of track rubber etc.

Hi John,

Yes it has got confusing with various issues!

It is now just that specific turnout, only causing problems for that Hobbytrain loco. All the Fleischmans are now OK that the wheels are cleaned. I'll test out the Hobbytrain's twin sister when I get it back from servicing, just to clarify it is the turnout causing an issue. The Fleischmanns do cruise over the turnout no issues, but they are longer locos...

Also it is an intermittent problem (The Hobbytrain loco cutting out or jittering going over that turnout maybe 1 in 7 times), which makes it even harder to identify.

I'm now just ballasting as I have got some platforms stuck down at last!

Matt
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Gizzy on March 22, 2019, 10:26:28 AM

A new arrival on the Globibahn yesterday in the form of a rake of blue/cream IC coaches.


They are mint condition second hand MiniTrix, tracked down from a small web-shop in Germany (think it was on about page 6 of Google search results!) The coaches are just gorgeous :claphappy:  ;D.

P.s. I wonder who first came up with blue/cream livery idea: British Rail or Deutsche Bahn? :hmmm:

Somehow DB did it much better....
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on March 22, 2019, 10:32:24 AM
You know the little Fleischmann track cleaning loco? 

Well in G we have this (yes I run G scale too)!


Cripes that is a size difference! I didn't know you ran G scale Nick - next you'll be telling us you have a secret HO collection!  ;D
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on March 22, 2019, 10:33:06 AM

Somehow DB did it much better....

Seconded! :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Gizzy on March 22, 2019, 10:40:37 AM

Somehow DB did it much better....

Seconded! :thumbsup:
Probably because DB used cream and BR a drab grey. The 70s/80s were a dull period on the corporate 'British Rail'....
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: swisstrains on March 22, 2019, 10:41:29 AM

Hi John,

Yes it has got confusing with various issues!

It is now just that specific turnout, only causing problems for that Hobbytrain loco. All the Fleischmans are now OK that the wheels are cleaned. I'll test out the Hobbytrain's twin sister when I get it back from servicing, just to clarify it is the turnout causing an issue. The Fleischmanns do cruise over the turnout no issues, but they are longer locos...

Also it is an intermittent problem (The Hobbytrain loco cutting out or jittering going over that turnout maybe 1 in 7 times), which makes it even harder to identify.

I'm now just ballasting as I have got some platforms stuck down at last!

Matt

Yes, it will be interesting to see how your other Hobbytrain loco responds. Your new one might improve as it runs in. Nick touched on it in an earlier post when he said it could be due to the flanges of the Hobbytrain loco being different to the Fleischmann locos and not making a good contact with the metal strips in your point frogs.
Most of my points are Peco but I have one Minitrix point in my storage sidings and that also has metal frog contacts. I've noticed that there is a very slight "spring" when you gently press down on these contacts. Perhaps the contacts on the particular point you are having problems with has become slightly flattened hence the occasional poor contact. Just a thought. :hmmm:
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: ntpntpntp on March 22, 2019, 12:43:32 PM
Cripes that is a size difference! I didn't know you ran G scale Nick - next you'll be telling us you have a secret HO collection!  ;D

Well actually....  yes I do have a few items in HO, notably a Roco ET420 EMU (I just love those units, I have a dozen or more Arnolds in N  :D )  ... and a couple of Piko HO locos.  Plus we still have junior's Hornby OO stuff.

(https://www.eurorailhobbies.com/item_pics/Roco/900_R-63047.jpg)

To be honest I have a little of everything:  T, Z, N, HOe, TT, HO/OO, O, G, 3.5"
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on March 22, 2019, 01:16:33 PM

To be honest I have a little of everything:  T, Z, N, HOe, TT, HO/OO, O, G, 3.5"

And there was I thinking your were an N Gauge purist!  :laughabovepost:

I've got a few HO/OO items myself. Here's a favourite. Actually I need to give her a run, as I've never done so - don't have the track. Bit silly as she'll seize up.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/75/7020-220319131616.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=75227)
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on March 22, 2019, 01:54:48 PM
And one just for John  :D - It's Märklin - I've had this loco unused in storage for nearly 20 years (during my dark ages of non-hobbying). Totally knackered, real pity!

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/75/7020-220319135353.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=75236)

This will probably-ish go on Ebay, as I def. want to reproduce it at some point in N.
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: ntpntpntp on March 22, 2019, 04:56:14 PM
"totally knackered" in what way?   Could be a great one for practicing loco servicing 
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on March 22, 2019, 05:15:00 PM
"totally knackered" in what way?   Could be a great one for practicing loco servicing

Never thought of that! Problems are:

1. I've only got some old AC Marklin track, I'd need to get some new track to test it. I tried the loco on this old track with an old transformer and got minimal life/response. Could get some off Ebay I guess.
3. Is an HO AC loco much different from a DC N Gauge loco?  :hmmm:
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: swisstrains on March 22, 2019, 06:41:48 PM
And one just for John  :D - It's Märklin - I've had this loco unused in storage for nearly 20 years (during my dark ages of non-hobbying). Totally knackered, real pity!

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/75/7020-220319135353.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=75236)

This will probably-ish go on Ebay, as I def. want to reproduce it at some point in N.


Thanks Matt.
And just for you here it is reproduced in N :D
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/75/193-220319183715.jpeg)
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on March 22, 2019, 08:29:21 PM

Thanks Matt.
And just for you here it is reproduced in N :D


Totally superb John, thanks for the pic, looks brilliant on your layout!  :thumbsup:

Matt
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on March 22, 2019, 10:26:46 PM
Can anyone recommend good wall-display cases for N gauge trains? Or handy tips for DIY-ing them?
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: daffy on March 23, 2019, 07:03:25 AM
Hi Matt. First of all, just like to say I am enjoying your thread.

Re the display cases: as you might have discovered, many cases or cabinets are, frankly, very expensive. At present I keep mine in some glass fronted pine cabinets that used to adorn our dining room but have now been ... er.... appropriated for my stock.

However, I’m waiting for the day when either Lidl or Aldi once again have stock of their well priced wall cabinets. Members here have previously commented on how good they are. I understand that they seem to be available like all their ‘bargains’, that is erratically, and in soon-sold quantities.
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on March 23, 2019, 07:23:22 AM
Hi Matt. First of all, just like to say I am enjoying your thread.

Re the display cases: as you might have discovered, many cases or cabinets are, frankly, very expensive. At present I keep mine in some glass fronted pine cabinets that used to adorn our dining room but have now been ... er.... appropriated for my stock.

However, I’m waiting for the day when either Lidl or Aldi once again have stock of their well priced wall cabinets. Members here have previously commented on how good they are. I understand that they seem to be available like all their ‘bargains’, that is erratically, and in soon-sold quantities.

Cheers Daffy, glad you enjoy following my perilous adventures!

Yes I noticed that the cases on Amazon are expensive. Plus they will get filled up, so where do you go from there? I much prefer the idea of something Lidl/Ikea based or such like. Will have to do some creative thinking!  :thumbsup:

Matt
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: ntpntpntp on March 23, 2019, 09:22:05 AM
I have two of the Lidls cabinets (though I admit only one is installed and in use so far, really must get on with setting up the other one  :D )

They are heavy (solid glass shelves and doors), I would recommend you support underneath and not just rely on wall fixings!

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/59/5885-141217213227.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=59297)
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on March 23, 2019, 10:59:10 AM
John, I'm actually glad about that packing I used to raise the baseboard above the struts and wires. It means I can add a few more on one trolley to correct for my wonky floorboards (whole floor slopes).

It's become really noticeable that I can't leave rakes of coaches on my southern siding without them driffting onto the main line; after all there's no catch-point  :D!

This brings to mind the Stuttgart Hauptbahnhof, where the north end of the platforms is 5 meters higher than the south!

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/75/7020-230319105826.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=75307)
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: swisstrains on March 23, 2019, 11:18:36 AM
……………………….

It's become really noticeable that I can't leave rakes of coaches on my southern siding without them driffting onto the main line; after all there's no catch-point  :D!

………………………...

This is what you need Matt. A derailer or Gleissperrschuh. Fitting them really tests your eyesight  :D

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/74/193-120219161947.jpeg)
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/74/193-120219161901.jpeg)
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Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on March 23, 2019, 03:38:02 PM
I have two of the Lidls cabinets (though I admit only one is installed and in use so far, really must get on with setting up the other one  :D )

They are heavy (solid glass shelves and doors), I would recommend you support underneath and not just rely on wall fixings!


That's a beutiful display Nick, really shows your love of trains/model trains! :thumbsup:

Matt
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on March 23, 2019, 03:38:48 PM

This is what you need Matt. A derailer or Gleissperrschuh. Fitting them really tests your eyesight  :D


That's a very nifty gizmo John, who produces it?  :hmmm:
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on March 23, 2019, 03:41:22 PM
Here I am constructing platforms from double thickness 5mm foam board (PVA'ed together), edged off with thin card (Bristol Board) - also PVA'ed.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/75/7020-230319154015.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=75308)

Once painted in grey acrylic and glued in place (you guessed it - with PVA), I'm terra-forming in my usual fashion....

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/75/7020-230319154104.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=75309)
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on March 23, 2019, 05:05:31 PM
Adding plaster to the flat areas around the station. I like to use the bottom of a plastic milk container for mixing the plaster. It's got black poster paint mixed in.

Just for the record, I am definitely not doing easier, comfort tasks whilst procrastinating from doing the next really difficult job, which is weathering my retaining wall for about the 4th time!  :-[

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/75/7020-230319170428.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=75313)

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/75/7020-230319170450.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=75314)
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: swisstrains on March 23, 2019, 08:59:03 PM

This is what you need Matt. A derailer or Gleissperrschuh. Fitting them really tests your eyesight  :D


That's a very nifty gizmo John, who produces it?  :hmmm:

Hi Matt. It's one of the many small detailing items produced by Weinert Modellbau.
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: ntpntpntp on March 23, 2019, 09:30:42 PM
I'll see your Gleissperrschuh and raise you one pair of retractable bufferstops! 

Nuremberg hump shunting yard.   I took these photos whilst on a visit there in 2004 with the Fleischmann club.


(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/75/5885-230319212901.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=75321)



(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/75/5885-230319212944.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=75322)
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: swisstrains on March 23, 2019, 09:45:04 PM
I'll see your Gleissperrschuh and raise you one pair of retractable bufferstops! 

Nuremberg hump shunting yard.   I took these photos whilst on a visit there in 2004 with the Fleischmann club.


I've seen something like that in a video recently but I can't remember where. :hmmm:
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on March 24, 2019, 10:00:54 AM
I'll see your Gleissperrschuh and raise you one pair of retractable bufferstops! 

Nuremberg hump shunting yard.   I took these photos whilst on a visit there in 2004 with the Fleischmann club.


I've seen something like that in a video recently but I can't remember where. :hmmm:

Thanks John, that gizmo could be a future addition!

And Nick, good grief, that is a contraption - have you modelled it yet? :D
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on March 24, 2019, 10:03:39 AM
Here's a question - those of you have already constructed the layout of your dreams - how do keep your modelling skills going? Do you constantly keep refining your present layout, or do you do any mini projects like dioramas and such to keep your hand in?

Obviously with layouts, space becomes an issue too - like in my flat there's only space for one layout at a time. So anything additional I make would either replace the current one or be very small scale. Or I'd have to move! :D

P.s. Globibahn 2.0 would be some way off in the future of course, as Globibahn 1.0 is giving me a lot of satisfaction and will clearly take a very long time to complete!!
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: ntpntpntp on March 24, 2019, 10:48:09 AM
It's an interesting question.   

In my case my main layout Königshafen was built in the mid 90s, with the further extension 10 years later.  Since then it has been updated with more detail and indeed the extension baseboards received a scenic makeover last year.   

Although in previous decades I wasn't a fan of modular layouts, I've come round to the idea a bit more since making friends with the N-Club International guys in Germany.  I like the idea that you can work on something smaller that's not necessarily a complete layout in its own right, then take it along to a meet and plug it in with other modules.   I have a pair of automated fiddleyards which at least allows me to shuttle a few short trains back and forth across the modules when at home. I'll be running in this mode at the N Gauge Southeast show in a couple of weeks.

I have a Bw loco depot project on the go but it's slow progress as I don't have the full-on "drive to model" that I used to have. The very nature of it means it's quite flat which isn't my favourite style, that probably counts against it in terms of desire to move forward. 

I also have an idea for a module with hillside, valley and a decent bridge. I have a cable car set and a funicular set which I want to incorporate. Must finish the Bw first though!
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: swisstrains on March 24, 2019, 11:22:37 AM
Here's a question - those of you have already constructed the layout of your dreams - how do keep your modelling skills going? Do you constantly keep refining your present layout, or do you do any mini projects like dioramas and such to keep your hand in?

Obviously with layouts, space becomes an issue too - like in my flat there's only space for one layout at a time. So anything additional I make would either replace the current one or be very small scale. Or I'd have to move! :D

P.s. Globibahn 2.0 would be some way off in the future of course, as Globibahn 1.0 is giving me a lot of satisfaction and will clearly take a very long time to complete!!
Good question Matt. In my case I keep my hand in by altering and hopefully improving my present layout. I started building it in 2002 and I think it's fair to say that it's been "under construction" ever since. I have never "completed" a layout in the true sense of the word as I have always found small things that could be added or changed.
In the last 3 years I have added a small extension for a brewery and bus station, altered my village to include a hotel and a firehouse and created a farmers market scene where the bus stops once were. I have also built a rockfall shelter over the road leading to my lower level station because I thought the original sheer rockface looked a bit dodgy :D
I have also added dummy catenary and some working signals although some would argue that they should have been there in the first place and are not really additions to a so-called "completed" layout.
I also have dozens more little folk and vehicles that need to find their way onto the layout so this should keep me occupied for quite a while. Matt, I know your layout is quite small but believe me even when you think it is completed there will always be something that you can change.
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on March 24, 2019, 02:35:37 PM
It's an interesting question.   

In my case my main layout Königshafen was built in the mid 90s, with the further extension 10 years later.  Since then it has been updated with more detail and indeed the extension baseboards received a scenic makeover last year.   

Although in previous decades I wasn't a fan of modular layouts, I've come round to the idea a bit more since making friends with the N-Club International guys in Germany.  I like the idea that you can work on something smaller that's not necessarily a complete layout in its own right, then take it along to a meet and plug it in with other modules.   I have a pair of automated fiddleyards which at least allows me to shuttle a few short trains back and forth across the modules when at home. I'll be running in this mode at the N Gauge Southeast show in a couple of weeks.

I have a Bw loco depot project on the go but it's slow progress as I don't have the full-on "drive to model" that I used to have. The very nature of it means it's quite flat which isn't my favourite style, that probably counts against it in terms of desire to move forward. 

I also have an idea for a module with hillside, valley and a decent bridge. I have a cable car set and a funicular set which I want to incorporate. Must finish the Bw first though!

Thanks for your response Nick! It's a big appeal of modular that you can keep on adding further modules. I also can well understand that there's always improvements and 'makeovers' to be done.

What is Bw loco depot?
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on March 24, 2019, 02:38:05 PM
Here's a question - those of you have already constructed the layout of your dreams - how do keep your modelling skills going? Do you constantly keep refining your present layout, or do you do any mini projects like dioramas and such to keep your hand in?

Obviously with layouts, space becomes an issue too - like in my flat there's only space for one layout at a time. So anything additional I make would either replace the current one or be very small scale. Or I'd have to move! :D

P.s. Globibahn 2.0 would be some way off in the future of course, as Globibahn 1.0 is giving me a lot of satisfaction and will clearly take a very long time to complete!!
Good question Matt. In my case I keep my hand in by altering and hopefully improving my present layout. I started building it in 2002 and I think it's fair to say that it's been "under construction" ever since. I have never "completed" a layout in the true sense of the word as I have always found small things that could be added or changed.
In the last 3 years I have added a small extension for a brewery and bus station, altered my village to include a hotel and a firehouse and created a farmers market scene where the bus stops once were. I have also built a rockfall shelter over the road leading to my lower level station because I thought the original sheer rockface looked a bit dodgy :D
I have also added dummy catenary and some working signals although some would argue that they should have been there in the first place and are not really additions to a so-called "completed" layout.
I also have dozens more little folk and vehicles that need to find their way onto the layout so this should keep me occupied for quite a while. Matt, I know your layout is quite small but believe me even when you think it is completed there will always be something that you can change.

It doesn't surprise me John, that your layout has been so long in prodction, with all that lovely detailing! I was wondering if you were going to add some more people, was going to ask about that. Interesting to hear you have replaced/reworked elements further down the line!

Cheers!  :beers:
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on March 24, 2019, 02:39:56 PM
Here's a (very literal) overview of where we are at, taken from the Globibahn utility helicopter  :D

I've annotated my to-do-list on top to help visualise everything.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/75/7020-240319143944.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=75326)
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: ntpntpntp on March 24, 2019, 02:51:05 PM
What is Bw loco depot?

Bw = Bahnbetriebswerk     

Here's the plan view (actually not quite correct;  since these photos were taken on the left hand board I've moved a point down one track and added a single slip to mirror the right hand board). 
The turntable and shed will be a Bahn Museum for some of the steamers to be in display, probably some sort of "open day" will be modelled. 
The traverser and modern sheds/fuelling facilities will be for diesels.  Electric locos and units will park on storage sidings.
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/75/5885-240319144200.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=75327)


... and a shot with the automatic fiddleyards attached either side to test a few items of stock. You can see what I mean about it being a bit flat, but it will have loco sheds and works building etc., plus catenerary on the main lines and storage sidings.
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/75/5885-240319144603.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=75328)
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on March 24, 2019, 03:02:24 PM
What is Bw loco depot?

Bw = Bahnbetriebswerk     

Here's the plan view (actually not quite correct;  since these photos were taken on the left hand board I've moved a point down one track and added a single slip to mirror the right hand board). 
The turntable and shed will be a Bahn Museum for some of the steamers to be in display, probably some sort of "open day" will be modelled. 
The traverser and modern sheds/fuelling facilities will be for diesels.  Electric locos and units will park on storage sidings.
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/75/5885-240319144200.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=75327)


... and a shot with the automatic fiddleyards attached either side to test a few items of stock. You can see what I mean about it being a bit flat, but it will have loco sheds and works building etc., plus catenerary on the main lines and storage sidings.
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/75/5885-240319144603.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=75328)

Oh wow that's massively cool Nick - nice work! :thumbsup:

I know it's flat (inevitably) but it really lets you go to town on structural/yard area modelling. Fantastic!

One of my early Marklin catalogues had a diorama of such a setting (photographed in low light with all the yard lamps lit up) and it really transported me there and made me want to model something such as that one day. Btw did anybody every model a Köf shunter in N - I always loved to see those in this setting.
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: ntpntpntp on March 24, 2019, 03:09:03 PM
Btw did anybody every model a Köf shunter in N - I always loved to see those in this setting.

Yes, I have examples of:
Arnold Köf II (they did a Köf III  also, a friend has one of those)
Minitrix Köf II DCC fitted
Ibertren Köf III


They're all really cute but small and light so not always the most reliable locos for exhibition use, not even on my live frog trackwork.

Here's the Minitrix DCC Köf II next to a Fleischmann BR110 for comparison!

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/75/5885-240319152226.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=75329)


[edit]
Just remembered, that 110 is pretty much the loco responsible for converting me to European N from British!  I'd had a couple of foreign locos for a few years and had an Arnold catalogue (in fact my first ever N set was a Bachmann American set bought in 1974 in Fiji of all places!), but I remember being at an exhibition running a OO9 narrow gauge layout in about 1985 and this loco was on a 2nd hand trade stand opposite along with some Arnold coaches. That was it, I bought them and it was so smooth and quiet compared to Farish etc. I was hooked!
She still runs, takes a couple of laps to warm up sometimes but as I say it was already 2nd hand when I got it all those years ago.
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Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: ntpntpntp on March 24, 2019, 04:48:26 PM
... and here are the Ibertren Köf III and Minitrix Köf II together
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/75/5885-240319164800.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=75331)
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on March 24, 2019, 05:18:10 PM
... and here are the Ibertren Köf III and Minitrix Köf II together
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/75/5885-240319164800.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=75331)

They are very cute, Nick!

I also really like your blue 'Kasten' Lok, will need to get myself one of those for my late 70s era stuff.

Cheers! :beers:
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: swisstrains on March 24, 2019, 08:45:25 PM
Here's a (very literal) overview of where we are at, taken from the Globibahn utility helicopter  :D

I've annotated my to-do-list on top to help visualise everything.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/75/7020-240319143944.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=75326)

:greatwork: I really think that Globibahn has all the makings of a beautiful little layout Matt. You have obviously given it a lot of thought and know exactly what you want from it. In my mind a bit of forward planning never goes amiss even if you have to make some adjustments when you get to the actual construction.
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on March 25, 2019, 11:20:54 AM
:greatwork: I really think that Globibahn has all the makings of a beautiful little layout Matt. You have obviously given it a lot of thought and know exactly what you want from it. In my mind a bit of forward planning never goes amiss even if you have to make some adjustments when you get to the actual construction.

Thank you John, really kind words! Yes the planning does help to to keep things going in the right direction, but changes can always be made if required! :thumbsup:

I've re-done the retaining wall for the fourth and final time! It's not perfect but it's ok. I need to make a few more baby trees to add to the embankment.

I'll need to find a discreet way of putting my billboard ads up without gluing anything to the wall, as I just can't bear the idea of possible mistakes requiring repainting. I was thinking maybe fishing line or some other skulldudgery. :hmmm:

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/75/7020-250319111915.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=75348)

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/75/7020-250319111938.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=75349)

I think this new Hobbytrain loco is running pretty rough (it was brand new but on discount), do they normally need to be run-in? Wheras the Fleischmanns just whaft silently along, this one is noisier, squeeks a bit and has fluctuating speed - surging every now and then. It is also the one giving problems on that turnout.  :confused2: I still don't have the other (red) one back yet to compare it with.
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: swisstrains on March 25, 2019, 02:39:47 PM
I've re-done the retaining wall for the fourth and final time! It's not perfect but it's ok.
……………………..Leave it, don't touch it, it looks fine  :thumbsup:
I'll need to find a discreet way of putting my billboard ads up without gluing anything to the wall, as I just can't bear the idea of possible mistakes requiring repainting. I was thinking maybe fishing line or some other skulldudgery. :hmmm: 
I would imagine that your retaining wall is now quite well sealed with all the paint you have applied. I assume that your Ads will be printed onto paper so a few tiny blobs of Copydex will attach them to the wall but still be easily removed should you so wish. I quite often use Copydex to attach vehicles, loads and figures etc. to non-porous surfaces when there is a chance that I might want to remove them without damage.
I think this new Hobbytrain loco is running pretty rough (it was brand new but on discount), do they normally need to be run-in? Wheras the Fleischmanns just whaft silently along, this one is noisier, squeeks a bit and has fluctuating speed - surging every now and then. It is also the one giving problems on that turnout.  :confused2: I still don't have the other (red) one back yet to compare it with.
Continental manufacturers tend to be a bit vague about running-in nowadays although Hobbytrain do say to run their locos for 1/2 hour at 3/4 speed before regular use. Personally I like to vary the speed during running-in without exceeding the 3/4 max. I do find that after a period of running-in locos often tend to run better and it will certainly help to distribute the lubricant throughout the drive train.
Did you fit the decoder to the loco Matt? It could possibly need tuning to improve it's running characteristics.
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on March 25, 2019, 03:57:15 PM

……………………..Leave it, don't touch it, it looks fine  :thumbsup:


Cheers John, yes I won't touch it again! :thumbsup:

That's a handy tip about the copdex, I'll try it first on a test piece jus tot be sure. Yes ads will be on card or paper.

I did fit the decoder myself, I'll look into tuning it up. I'll give the loco a running in session too, as you suggest.

Cheers
Matt
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on March 27, 2019, 02:02:50 PM
Righty-ho:

- Red/Cream Hobbytrain BR112 is back from servicing. Running much better but also has issue with the problem turnout.
- Blue/Cream Hobbytrain BR112 sent off for service this morning. It was noisy, sometimes not starting and needing a nudge, juttery and stalling on the problem turnout. Also whilst running it yesterday I managed to run it over a patch of still-setting ballast :-[ :thumbsdown: :doh: (which I had forgotten about in a tunnel mouth), not ideal! Still ran afterwards but marginally worse.
- All Fleischmann locos are totally fine with said problem turnout.

Here's photos of problem turnout. I wondered if the rail gap highlighted has anyhtng to do with it?

Options now:

- Don't use Hobbytrain locos - bit of a pity
- Bring power to the problem turnout. The toe end rails recommended, but what if the issue is on the other side of the frog - does that matter? Can I use those little plates in some way, not sure what they're for?
 :hmmm: :confused2:

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/75/7020-270319140221.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=75410)

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/75/7020-270319140242.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=75411)
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: ntpntpntp on March 27, 2019, 04:41:52 PM
It has to be the turnout at fault.  I find Hobbytrain lococs to be just as reliable as Fleischmann, Minitrix, Arnold etc.

Really need to get down to probing with a multimeter and see what's going on? They're bogie locos you're having problems with, they really shouldn't be stalling anywhere with the amount of pickups they have and the long wheelbase.

I've noticed in your photos that point always seems to look dull around the frog area compared to nearby tracks - is that just a shadow or do the rails need a clean?
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on March 27, 2019, 08:51:00 PM
I've noticed in your photos that point always seems to look dull around the frog area compared to nearby tracks - is that just a shadow or do the rails need a clean?

Hi Nick, that's just the shadow of the camera above, trust me - every micron of rails is polished like the crown jewels, on the day that the most pernickity attendant is polishing them.  :D  :angel:

Really need to get down to probing with a multimeter and see what's going on?

Ok so I've crawled over the affected area again with the multimeter (set on AC). There's only one place where I'm getting fluctuating readings and it's here, as indicated in the photo. It goes from a stong 47 to suddenly dip to about as low as 25 hujamaflips. Is this useful?  :hmmm:

Also, although the loco only stalls occasionally on the problem turnout, the loco headlights do flicker every single time on crossing.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/75/7020-270319205026.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=75425)

Update: using my fierce intellectual prowess (which I only get out on special occasions) it occured to me I should try cleaning between the highlighted blade and the area that it contacts the live rail (I used a cocktail stick). It now gives much better multimeter readings and the lights don't flicker - I'm just testing the loco, so far so good........
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: swisstrains on March 27, 2019, 09:04:04 PM
Hi Matt. It's possible that the joiner you have highlighted could be making a bad connection (either loose or pva has seeped in or both) but if so then the moveable turnout blade must also be making a bad connection because unless I'm mistaken the turnout is being electrically supplied from both directions.
A couple of things that might be worth checking.
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/75/193-270319205004.jpeg)
I suggest you run the loco slowly across the turnout until it stalls. Leave the power on and without touching the loco insert the tip of one of your multimeter probes into the gap between the rails. Does it move?
Cleaning the blade and stock rail contact surfaces should also have the same effect but be careful not to put too much force on the point blades or you could damage the mechanism.
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on March 27, 2019, 09:16:25 PM
Hi Matt. It's possible that the joiner you have highlighted could be making a bad connection (either loose or pva has seeped in or both) but if so then the moveable turnout blade must also be making a bad connection because unless I'm mistaken the turnout is being electrically supplied from both directions.
A couple of things that might be worth checking.
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/75/193-270319205004.jpeg)
I suggest you run the loco slowly across the turnout until it stalls. Leave the power on and without touching the loco insert the tip of one of your multimeter probes into the gap between the rails. Does it move?
Cleaning the blade and stock rail contact surfaces should also have the same effect but be careful not to put too much force on the point blades or you could damage the mechanism.

You beat me to it John, I was just updating the previous post, looks like you're right! :D

Update: using my fierce intellectual prowess (which I only get out on special occasions) it occured to me I should try cleaning between the highlighted blade and the area that it contacts the live rail (I used a cocktail stick). It now gives much better multimeter readings and the lights don't flicker - I'm just testing the loco, so far so good........

The fault was only revealed by the BR112s, as due to the length of and (short) distance between their bogies, with one boggie sitting entirely on the point blade (and its dirty connection), one axle set of the other bogie sitting on the frog (which I assume is usually an area of disrupted power flow :hmmm:), that left only one axle set sitting on the decently power-supplied stock rails. Yikes Scooby!
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: swisstrains on March 27, 2019, 09:35:13 PM
Hi Matt. The metal strips in the frog are supposed to reduce the dead section on this type of turnout but they rely on the wheel flanges making electrical contact. Because flange depths vary from make to make it isn't always a very reliable solution.
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on March 27, 2019, 09:38:33 PM
Hi Matt. The metal strips in the frog are supposed to reduce the dead section on this type of turnout but they rely on the wheel flanges making electrical contact. Because flange depths vary from make to make it isn't always a very reliable solution.

I thought as much, so that puts more reliance on the other 3 axles - and if they're not well supplied that means trouble! :thankyousign:
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on March 28, 2019, 11:21:14 AM
Here's the layout this morning in late 1970s/ early 1980s configuration. I'm finding I really love this epoch, it may be favourite!

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/75/7020-280319111937.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=75431)

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/75/7020-280319111954.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=75432)

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/75/7020-280319112013.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=75434)


My problem turnout is now cured. The red/cream BR112 runs well but is still a little squeeky even after servicing.
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: swisstrains on March 28, 2019, 11:48:43 AM

My problem turnout is now cured. .......................

That's great news Matt.


The red/cream BR112 runs well but is still a little squeeky even after servicing.

Just think of it as free DCC Sound.  :D

Great photos.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: ntpntpntp on March 28, 2019, 12:39:40 PM
The red/cream BR112 runs well but is still a little squeeky even after servicing.

Not unlike the real thing then :-) 
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on March 28, 2019, 08:47:33 PM
The red/cream BR112 runs well but is still a little squeeky even after servicing.

Not unlike the real thing then :-)

LOL yes the same thought occured to me, it's ultra realistic, cheaper than a sound decoder!!! :D :laughabovepost:
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on March 28, 2019, 08:48:38 PM

My problem turnout is now cured. .......................

That's great news Matt.


The red/cream BR112 runs well but is still a little squeeky even after servicing.

Just think of it as free DCC Sound.  :D

Great photos.  :thumbsup:

Thank you John :laughabovepost:, yes the turnout was a real headache!
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on March 30, 2019, 08:40:08 AM
Disregarding that they are slightly different versions, but given these 2 beauts cost about the same, who in your opinions wins the battle of the current green RE4/4s - is it the Fleischmann 734010 or the Hobbytrain H3020?

I know the Hobbytain has a printed (rather than low-relief) swiss cross badge on the front ends. However, I rather like the fact that it is the earliest varient.

I believe the Hobbytrain is identical to my BR112s under the bonnet, so I know I could jam a direct plug Zimo chip in easy enough....

Fleischmann 734010
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/75/7020-300319083547.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=75476)

Hobbytrain H3020
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/75/7020-300319083645.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=75477) :hmmm:
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on March 30, 2019, 09:05:48 AM
Passengers on the Globibahn should expect delays and disruption this weekend, due to major track improvement works! Final ballasting is being done  :)

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/75/7020-300319090533.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=75478)
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: swisstrains on March 30, 2019, 09:44:04 AM
Disregarding that they are slightly different versions, but given these 2 beauts cost about the same, who in your opinions wins the battle of the current green RE4/4s - is it the Fleischmann 734010 or the Hobbytrain H3020?

I know the Hobbytain has a printed (rather low-relief) swiss cross badge on the front ends. I rather like the fact that it is the earliest varient however. I believe the Hobbytrain is identical to my BR112s under the bonnet, so I know I could jam a direct plug Zimo chip in easy enough....

Fleischmann 734010
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/75/7020-300319083547.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=75476)

Hobbytrain H3020
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/75/7020-300319083645.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=75477) :hmmm:

Morning Matt. The SBB CFF lettering on the Fleischmann version is too low down on the body but apart from that there's not much to choose. A Zimo decoder will fit just as easily into the Fleischmann loco as the Hobbytrain one. As for price, probably because of the incorrect printing, it is possible to get the Fleischmann version heavily discounted from some dealers such as Modellbahnshop-Lippe
https://www.modellbahnshop-lippe.com/produkt/Fleischmann/2-2-005001-244991-0-0-0-5-4-2-0-gatt-gb-p-0/ein_produkt.html
 (https://www.modellbahnshop-lippe.com/produkt/Fleischmann/2-2-005001-244991-0-0-0-5-4-2-0-gatt-gb-p-0/ein_produkt.html) Note that the photo they use is the Fleischmann publicity one and is incorrect.
I don't have any experience of the Hobbytrain version but as you say it is the same chassis as your DB locos so running qualities should be the same. I have two examples of this particular version of the Fleischmann Re4/4 (There was an earlier version) and they both run well.
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: swisstrains on March 30, 2019, 09:48:46 AM
Passengers on the Globibahn should expect delays and disruption this weekend, due to major track improvement works! Final ballasting is being done  :)

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/75/7020-300319090533.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=75478)

I see Swietelsky have got the contract for the trackwork.
Have the Swiss PostAutos been brought in as rail replacement services? :D
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on March 30, 2019, 10:10:38 AM
The SBB CFF lettering on the Fleischmann version is too low down on the body but apart from that there's not much to choose. A Zimo decoder will fit just as easily into the Fleischmann loco as the Hobbytrain one.

Morning John!

That's interesting (especially about the the SBB lettering height), thought you would have a viewpoint on this. I shall do some window shopping to compare prices. I think both are pretty legit models by the looks of it.
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on March 30, 2019, 10:13:01 AM
I see Swietelsky have got the contract for the trackwork.
Have the Swiss PostAutos been brought in as rail replacement services? :D

Yes indeed John, Swietelsky have the contract  :laughabovepost:

Unfortunately, due to budget restrictions, there is no rail replacement service being provided. I've put a sign outside the station this morning stating 'All trains cancelled. Enjoy the rest of your day'. That should do the job!  :D

Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: NScaleNotes on March 30, 2019, 12:47:59 PM
Disregarding that they are slightly different versions, but given these 2 beauts cost about the same, who in your opinions wins the battle of the current green RE4/4s - is it the Fleischmann 734010 or the Hobbytrain H3020?

I know the Hobbytain has a printed (rather than low-relief) swiss cross badge on the front ends. However, I rather like the fact that it is the earliest varient.

I believe the Hobbytrain is identical to my BR112s under the bonnet, so I know I could jam a direct plug Zimo chip in easy enough....

Fleischmann 734010
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/75/7020-300319083547.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=75476)

Hobbytrain H3020
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/75/7020-300319083645.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=75477) :hmmm:

I've noticed one thing you've got to watch with Fleischmann and that is they like to use photos of the HO model when they advertise their N scale models, so there is a chance it might not look quite like the photo when you get your hands on it. I'm sure I read a while back they were going to stop doing that but there you go.

Simon
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on March 30, 2019, 01:32:49 PM

I've noticed one thing you've got to watch with Fleischmann and that is they like to use photos of the HO model when they advertise their N scale models, so there is a chance it might not look quite like the photo when you get your hands on it. I'm sure I read a while back they were going to stop doing that but there you go.

Simon

Yes you're totally right! I've noticed they do that, but still forget sometimes. I look at their photos and think gosh that's amazing (I think last time it was with the chrome Bertschi tanker wagon), only to then realise it's the HO model.

Cheers
Matt
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: NScaleNotes on March 30, 2019, 01:37:22 PM
Yeah I did the same thing recently. I was looking at a model with tanktainers recently thinking that's amazing and then I realised they'd actually photo-shopped in the tanktainers :)

Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on March 30, 2019, 04:04:21 PM
Yeah I did the same thing recently. I was looking at a model with tanktainers recently thinking that's amazing and then I realised they'd actually photo-shopped in the tanktainers :)

LOL don't blame you! :doh:
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on March 30, 2019, 04:10:07 PM
The station building is gradually creeping forwards. I really need to focus on this now, as a lot of elements are placed in relation to the  (completed) station. I also need to do some plan drawings of additional parts of the structure.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/75/7020-300319160554.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=75481)

In other news, the Busch dummy signals arrived today. They look really lovely - why on earth Busch can't fill the gap in the market and knock out some dummy catenary is beyond me! I probably won't install the signals just yet (using Nick's plan), as I may need to flip the baseboard one more time to correct for my sloping apartment floor...

Also, I have some Noch foliage substrate coming in the post and fine miliput, so I can have a go at the dreaded deciduos trees!
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: ntpntpntp on March 30, 2019, 04:49:09 PM
I don't think it's still available, but in the past Arnold sold a catenary system which was dummy in that it used rubber thread as the wire, and you set the pantographs so they were just below the wire and not touching.  It's still to be found on ebay etc.
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on March 30, 2019, 05:03:15 PM
I don't think it's still available, but in the past Arnold sold a catenary system which was dummy in that it used rubber thread as the wire, and you set the pantographs so they were just below the wire and not touching.  It's still to be found on ebay etc.

Hi Nick,

You're quite correct, I actually have a box of that stuff - bought it years ago. It's a little clunky looking for my taste though...

Matt
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: swisstrains on March 30, 2019, 05:26:20 PM
Yes, Fleischmann's practice of using HO photos is annoying. If I've got the slightest doubt about a model, when it is released, I go to a website such as DM Toys because they tend to take their own photos and don't just use the ones provided by Fleischmann.
As for the tanktainers I have an open mind at the moment. In my opinion the new Fleischmann twin container wagon is a vast improvement on their previous offering so with a bit of luck they will make a decent job of their tanktainers. If they are as good as the Minitrix tanktainers I will be happy.
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: dannyboy on March 30, 2019, 06:51:19 PM
The station building is gradually creeping forwards.

... my sloping apartment floor...


Are these two facts related by any chance?  ;D
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on March 30, 2019, 09:39:45 PM
The station building is gradually creeping forwards.

... my sloping apartment floor...


Are these two facts related by any chance?  ;D

LOL yes they must be! :laughabovepost:
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: RicardoFig on March 31, 2019, 10:42:19 AM
Looking foward to see those dummy signals, as probably they are going to my also my option.  :hmmm:


Great work with the station building so far, but the delays and service disruption are going to last a few more days i guess. They even got a Barcelona Citaro  :D

 :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
 
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: swisstrains on March 31, 2019, 10:58:21 AM
The station building is gradually creeping forwards. I really need to focus on this now, as a lot of elements are placed in relation to the  (completed) station. I also need to do some plan drawings of additional parts of the structure.
The station building is looking good Matt. :thumbsup:

Also, I have some Noch foliage substrate coming in the post and fine miliput, so I can have a go at the dreaded deciduos trees!

Sounds interesting. Looking forward to seeing the finished results. I have never been happy with my attempts at making trees. :-[
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: carlmt on March 31, 2019, 08:36:27 PM
I don't think it's still available, but in the past Arnold sold a catenary system which was dummy in that it used rubber thread as the wire, and you set the pantographs so they were just below the wire and not touching.  It's still to be found on ebay etc.

Hi Nick,

You're quite correct, I actually have a box of that stuff - bought it years ago. It's a little clunky looking for my taste though...

Matt

Hi Matt - Globibahn is coming along splendidly!!!  I thoroughly enjoy reading of your updates and progress  :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Re the catenary system - I havent forgotten you.....I am still awaiting the arrival of the damn 3D printing machine!!! The masts and such are all designed - just need the machine to print them!

C  :beers:
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on March 31, 2019, 09:18:07 PM
Looking foward to see those dummy signals, as probably they are going to my also my option.  :hmmm:


Great work with the station building so far, but the delays and service disruption are going to last a few more days i guess. They even got a Barcelona Citaro  :D

 :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Thank you!

Well spotted Barcelona bus - I have actually been on one before (in Barcelona, believe it or not :D!). This one must have taken a wrong turn off the Las Ramblas! :D
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on March 31, 2019, 09:20:00 PM
The station building is gradually creeping forwards. I really need to focus on this now, as a lot of elements are placed in relation to the  (completed) station. I also need to do some plan drawings of additional parts of the structure.
The station building is looking good Matt. :thumbsup:

Also, I have some Noch foliage substrate coming in the post and fine miliput, so I can have a go at the dreaded deciduos trees!

Sounds interesting. Looking forward to seeing the finished results. I have never been happy with my attempts at making trees. :-[

Thanks John, will keep you posted on the trees. At some point I'll probably also re-do all my fir trees, as they look overly regular. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on March 31, 2019, 09:21:51 PM

Hi Matt - Globibahn is coming along splendidly!!!  I thoroughly enjoy reading of your updates and progress  :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Re the catenary system - I havent forgotten you.....I am still awaiting the arrival of the damn 3D printing machine!!! The masts and such are all designed - just need the machine to print them!

C  :beers:

Cheers Carl, glad you're enjoying the (mis)adventures of the Globibahn! Hope your machine arrives and meets your expectations!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on April 02, 2019, 11:40:49 AM
Intensive modelling on the station this morning - I'm actually going cross-eyed! :angel:


(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/75/7020-020419113942.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=75548)

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/75/7020-020419113959.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=75549)

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/75/7020-020419114017.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=75550)

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/75/7020-020419114034.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=75551)
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on April 02, 2019, 06:19:31 PM
And here it is in situ. Given that the Globibahn region has thus far only one inhabitant, it seems pretty well-catered for in terms of public transport!

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/75/7020-020419181823.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=75573)

P.s. can't wait to upgrade the base of the building too!
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: swisstrains on April 02, 2019, 09:02:54 PM
I'm really impressed Matt. A great example of scratch-building...………..and now for the painting and detailing  ;D
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: RicardoFig on April 02, 2019, 09:23:25 PM
I must confess that I am enjoying the whole layout, but the station building is definitely the star.  :thumbsup:


It reminds me of those old Faller references back in the 80s / 90s (?).
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on April 02, 2019, 10:24:00 PM
I'm really impressed Matt. A great example of scratch-building...………..and now for the painting and detailing  ;D

Thanks John!  :thumbsup: I've still to tackle some of the most tricky bits of the structure though - there's a mainly-glazed waiting room and a kiosk still to do. Should make an interesting challenge! :)
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on April 02, 2019, 10:26:03 PM
I must confess that I am enjoying the whole layout, but the station building is definitely the star.  :thumbsup:


It reminds me of those old Faller references back in the 80s / 90s (?).

Thank you Ricardo, that's really nice of you to say! I wasn't aware of the Faller sets - the only ones I had seen were the (rather huge) brutalist/modernist Kibri stations.
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: RicardoFig on April 02, 2019, 10:58:37 PM
I wasn't aware of the Faller sets - the only ones I had seen were the (rather huge) brutalist/modernist Kibri stations.


 :hmmm: :hmmm:

NowIi got confused, but probably you are right,, they were Kibri.  :D
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on April 03, 2019, 03:04:44 PM
The waiting room glazing took a couple of hours. When looking at the layout, you don't see this side of the station, but wanted it done properly!  :D I believe that's probably a winter equipment storage area (with the roller doors and narrow platform). :hmmm:


(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/75/7020-030419150233.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=75655)


(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/75/7020-030419150252.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=75656)
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on April 04, 2019, 03:56:41 PM
Some glasing for the front of the station (this side you do see). The inner bits of the building are complex to work on! The top floor lifts off so I can do lighting later. That filler looks nowhere near as bad in real life, plus it will be sanded and painted of course.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/75/7020-040419155630.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=75718)


(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/75/7020-040419155828.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=75719)
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: ntpntpntp on April 04, 2019, 07:20:31 PM
The filler will be fine once cleaned up and painted.

I sometimes use Tippex as a filler for plastic kits.
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on April 05, 2019, 02:49:48 PM
The filler will be fine once cleaned up and painted.

I sometimes use Tippex as a filler for plastic kits.

Great Nick. That's a useful tip!

Cheers
Matt
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on April 05, 2019, 02:52:53 PM
A whole morning's work on the station, but doesn't look like I've done that much! Mainly installing visible internal walls and finishing the narrow struts in the grill-like long window-thingy on the front wall. Still some details to go before undercoating can commence.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/75/7020-050419145131.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=75737)

And here's the modern loco fleet.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/75/7020-050419145208.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=75738)
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on April 07, 2019, 10:18:20 AM
Just need to get some very thin styrene sheet to do a few more window frames and then I can start to paint the station. I've also finally sorted out a much neater base for it.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/75/7020-070419101647.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=75777)

The kiosk area (on the right under the canopy roof) has sliding doors. But I wonder if that would have been the case in the 1970s when Im assuming this building was built? :hmmm:
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: swisstrains on April 07, 2019, 11:04:53 AM
........................ I've also finally sorted out a much neater base for it.


Hi Matt,
Didn't your original plan have the surrounding area raised by 10mm in order to make the station building level with the road? I have just been back through your thread and the original building on which your model is based is at roadside kerb height. The base you have constructed with ramped access would lead to all sorts of safety problems in the real world. e.g. lots of handrails would be required.
Personally I think your excellent building would look even better blended into the surrounding area but as we always say it's your layout.
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on April 07, 2019, 01:54:22 PM
Hi John,

Thank you for the constructive criticism, which will always be taken on board and evaluated. In response:

1. Yes that was the original plan.
2. I took the easier route, on reflection not the better route!
3. Fixing it requires some extra complication with the bus turnaround - it has to be helix shaped/3D rather than flat, but I have some ideas.
4. Looking at the raised platform the building is on now, it does bug me that it looks more playset than real world.
5. As there are roller doors for winter stores on the left end of the building, a small truck would need to able to reverse up against that area (another reason it should be at ground level).
6. Although it's Sunday, I'm going to call an urgent meeting with the Globibahn quality and safety executive, as well as with my contracters Swietelsky, to see what can be done, and will report back in due course.... :D

Matt

Matt
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on April 07, 2019, 05:43:45 PM
Update:

Things have got a bit heated in the Globibahn boardroom this afteroon. Following an argument over who got to hold the whiteboard marker, two board members had to be physically seperated by security and escorted from Globibahn HQ!

In spite of these interruptions, the planning team think they may have a solution.
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on April 08, 2019, 08:54:13 AM
Ok so now I have my plan to raise the ground level.

I could have left the south platform in, however that would leave a rather unslightly line through the building base. So decided to remove it. Looks a little drastic but it's all good! 8)

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/75/7020-080419085356.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=75897)
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: swisstrains on April 08, 2019, 09:53:39 AM
Morning Matt. I'm glad that you also had your doubts as I would hate to think that it was my comments that resulted in this scene of devastation. Having said that I'm sure it will prevent more extensive rebuilding in the future because those doubts never go away and sooner or later you would have wanted to raise the terrain around the station...………………..I hope :D
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on April 08, 2019, 09:56:20 AM
Morning Matt. I'm glad that you also had your doubts as I would hate to think that it was my comments that resulted in this scene of devastation. Having said that I'm sure it will prevent more extensive rebuilding in the future because those doubts never go away and sooner or later you would have wanted to raise the terrain around the station...………………..I hope :D

Hi John,

Pleased to say the platform extraction went smoothly and it will be no problem re-installing the differently-shaped building base and surrounding higher ground!

Cheers
Matt
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: swisstrains on April 08, 2019, 09:59:23 AM
Morning Matt. I'm glad that you also had your doubts as I would hate to think that it was my comments that resulted in this scene of devastation. Having said that I'm sure it will prevent more extensive rebuilding in the future because those doubts never go away and sooner or later you would have wanted to raise the terrain around the station...………………..I hope :D

Hi John,

Pleased to say the platform extraction went smoothly and it will be no problem re-installing the differently-shaped building base and surrounding higher ground!

Cheers
Matt
Excellent. Look forward to seeing the finished result. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on April 08, 2019, 06:01:43 PM

Excellent. Look forward to seeing the finished result. :thumbsup:

Here's some progress changing the ground height. Been quite a lot ot think about and lots of template usage! 8)

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/75/7020-080419180004.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=75931)

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/75/7020-080419180029.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=75932)

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/75/7020-080419180049.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=75933)

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/75/7020-080419180110.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=75934)
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: swisstrains on April 08, 2019, 08:25:08 PM

Here's some progress changing the ground height. Been quite a lot ot think about and lots of template usage! 8)


But isn't it satisfying when it all starts to come together? :thumbsup:

Swietelsky are going to charge a fortune for all that work. :o
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on April 09, 2019, 05:48:42 PM

But isn't it satisfying when it all starts to come together? :thumbsup:

Swietelsky are going to charge a fortune for all that work. :o

You're quite right John, it is very satisfying indeed!

LOL yes they'll be wanting many Euros for the work!  :D :laughabovepost:
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on April 11, 2019, 10:23:28 AM
Foam board is useful but very unforgiving to work with. A single wrong cut and you basically have to do it again....

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/76/7020-110419102320.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=76070)
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on April 13, 2019, 07:44:54 AM
The first section of new ground level gets glued in - no turning back now!

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/76/7020-130419074445.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=76135)
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on April 13, 2019, 10:48:34 AM
A new rake on the Globibahn....
All immaculate Minitrix from ebay!

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/76/7020-130419104810.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=76147)
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on April 13, 2019, 11:31:27 AM
The rest of the ground-level-raising sections being glued in place! 8)

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/76/7020-130419113048.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=76149)
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on April 13, 2019, 01:46:32 PM
And more progress. The curbs won't be so pronounced once I put the road surface layer (soft foam sheet) down. It's a real graphic design project! :D


(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/76/7020-130419134549.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=76150)

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/76/7020-130419134606.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=76151)
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: ntpntpntp on April 13, 2019, 02:08:36 PM
Interesting wedding cake  :D  :D
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on April 13, 2019, 02:18:06 PM
Interesting wedding cake  :D  :D

LOL yes it is a bit!  :laughabovepost: - so far we've had frog's head, imperial star destroyer and now a wedding cake! :D

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/76/7020-130419141736.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=76152)

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/76/7020-130419141752.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=76153)
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on April 14, 2019, 05:29:08 PM
Ok so bit of a dilemma over curb height. Should it be 2mm or 4mm?  :hmmm:


(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/76/7020-140419172729.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=76215)


(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/76/7020-140419172744.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=76216)

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/76/7020-140419173015.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=76219)

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/76/7020-140419172842.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=76218)


Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: carlmt on April 14, 2019, 05:34:59 PM
I would go with 2mm being closer to a scale concrete kerb - but even that would be 320mm in full size.......1mm would be even better.

4mm would equate to 640mm in real life!! A bit of a step up even for a fit athlete!
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: dannyboy on April 14, 2019, 05:37:11 PM
2mm is about 4¾ inch. Your picture showing 4mm definitely looks too much.
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: ntpntpntp on April 14, 2019, 06:35:49 PM
Yeah, it's only a very rough guide but people often use "2mm = 1foot" for British N, so 4mm would be a 2 foot high curb, and in fact more than that at 1:160, so that's a bit excessive!   I think I used 1mm card for the pavements in my town.
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: ntpntpntp on April 14, 2019, 06:38:03 PM
2mm is about 4¾ inch.

Nope, more like 12.5" at 1:160. 
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: dannyboy on April 14, 2019, 06:57:44 PM
I stand corrected, (well sat down corrected  ;)) - 2mm at 1:148 = 11.6535 inches.
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: carlmt on April 14, 2019, 08:36:03 PM
I stand corrected, (well sat down corrected  ;)) - 2mm at 1:148 = 11.6535 inches.

It is indeed........but dont forget, this is a Mainland Europe layout so the scale will be 1:160  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: dannyboy on April 14, 2019, 08:46:07 PM
 :whiteflag:
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: carlmt on April 14, 2019, 08:47:31 PM
 :laughabovepost: :laughabovepost: :laughabovepost: :laughabovepost: :laughabovepost: :beers:
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on April 14, 2019, 10:32:35 PM
Fab, thanks for responses all! Measuring again, it looks like what I thought was 2mm was in fact 1mm. So that's the option I'll go for! It will be nice and subtle.

Cheers
Matt :thumbsup: :beers:
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on April 15, 2019, 09:34:53 AM
Plaster-gate news!

Ok so I have now plastered the same foam board area 3 times!

First time: I simply applied the plaster straight to the smooth foam board surface. Lo and behold, it tended to just flake off when dry. So I had to remove it all!  :doh:

Second time: I gouged and keyed into the smooth surface. Re-did plastering. 

Third time: The previous step was only a partial success - it turns out that you cannot leave even the tinniest bit of foam board smooth! :doh:. Removed plaster again (50% more difficult this time). Did more gouging with chisel, scoring with craft knife and stabbing thousands of times with mini screwdriver. Have just redone the plastering yet again!  8)

The newly-done chisel-gouging/kinfe-scoring/screwdriver-stabbing:

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/76/7020-150419093209.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=76235)

The latest layer of plaster...

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/76/7020-150419093234.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=76236)
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: ntpntpntp on April 15, 2019, 12:23:03 PM
If having trouble get stuff to stick to the base, I try a bit of neat PVA with a layer of plaster bandage on top as a first layer and let that dry first, that should give it enough stickiness and something for subsequent layers to key to.
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on April 15, 2019, 12:27:14 PM
If having trouble get stuff to stick to the base, I try a bit of neat PVA with a layer of plaster bandage on top as a first layer and let that dry first, that should give it enough stickiness and something for subsequent layers to key to.

Funny I was thinking of doing something like that, but went for more hacking instead. I think I'll leave what I've done now (as I've done so much gouging I won't be able to get plaster cloth down!)

Cheers
Matt
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on April 19, 2019, 04:48:52 PM
Finally got the correct adhesion for my plaster bus turnaround area. I've had to let it dry for 2 days and I've been adding tweaks and sanding. I really can't wait to grass this area as the light plaster is an eye-sore!


(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/76/7020-190419164729.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=76359)

Below is the viewpoint from baseboard level, showing the height difference.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/76/7020-190419164747.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=76360)

The pic below shows the foam road inserts which will be added to bring up the road height to 1mm below station level.
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/76/7020-190419164805.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=76361)
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on April 19, 2019, 05:12:47 PM
Some epoch IV trains. :)

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/76/7020-190419171226.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=76362)
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on April 20, 2019, 02:25:27 PM
Do any of you chaps ever clean your loco and coach bodies? Most of my stuff is second hand, and although not visibly dirty, I wouldn't mind cleaning it for hygenic reasons. :hmmm:
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: ntpntpntp on April 20, 2019, 02:31:13 PM
Sometimes, when I acquire a 2nd hand item that's in a bit of a state.

I often use "baby wipes" as they're gentle - go for the fragrance-free ones!
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: swisstrains on April 20, 2019, 02:32:58 PM
I like this stuff Matt.
https://www.trainshop.co.uk/tool/4520-cyber-clean-4001738016901.html?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIxduO2ePe4QIVbTPTCh2H3Ql4EAQYASABEgKmz_D_BwE (https://www.trainshop.co.uk/tool/4520-cyber-clean-4001738016901.html?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIxduO2ePe4QIVbTPTCh2H3Ql4EAQYASABEgKmz_D_BwE)
You can get it cheaper if you shop around. Makes your trains smell nice. :D
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: RailGooner on April 20, 2019, 02:37:03 PM
Warm water, washing-up liquid, cotton buds. :beers:
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on April 20, 2019, 02:43:26 PM
Smashing, thanks for all your tips! I'll do some cleaning experiments with your suggestions!

Cheers
Matt :beers:
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on April 21, 2019, 05:05:37 PM
Deciduous tree making going well, and finally some green on the bus turnaround!


(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/76/7020-210419170452.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=76426)

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/76/7020-210419170511.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=76427)

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/76/7020-210419170532.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=76428)
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: swisstrains on April 21, 2019, 08:24:11 PM
Deciduous tree making going well, and finally some green on the bus turnaround!


(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/76/7020-210419170452.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=76426)


I know it's not yet finished Matt but that has the makings of a really nice tree. :thumbsup: I have never had much luck making trees so anyone who can make them gets my utmost respect.
I don't know why but I get the feeling that you have something special planned for the area inside the bus turnaround. :hmmm:
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on April 22, 2019, 07:43:39 AM
I know it's not yet finished Matt but that has the makings of a really nice tree. :thumbsup: I have never had much luck making trees so anyone who can make them gets my utmost respect.
I don't know why but I get the feeling that you have something special planned for the area inside the bus turnaround. :hmmm:

Thanks John, yes I'm enjoying the deciduous tree-production - I'll need quite a few of these!

The bus turnaround is really just going to be an area of nice parkland with trees and benches and a family having a picnic  :) There will be more activity going on on the plaza to the right hand-side of the station, which will be the train enthusiasts' viewing area!

We'll see what develops....
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on April 22, 2019, 02:23:38 PM
More turf-laying!

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/76/7020-220419142312.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=76477)

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/76/7020-220419142331.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=76478)
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on April 23, 2019, 07:51:40 AM
I've been having a ponder about the idea of a removable storage yard for my layout. The idea would be to build a third trolley with the yard on top of it. There is not room to keep the yard permanently attached, it would be wheeled into position for operating sessions. Do you think this would work?

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/76/7020-230419074918.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=76506)

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/76/7020-230419074942.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=76507)

I can't reposition the TV stand unfortunately!

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/76/7020-230419080005.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=76508)

I know that the end of the current siding would need the rails being brought to the very edge and soldering down (I guess I would have to cut and lift and replace a small bit of the straight).  :hmmm:

Is this madness or could it just work?
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Train Waiting on April 23, 2019, 08:25:15 AM
Yes, it'll work well!

I did something similar once.  The key to it being on its best behaviour is the track join.

I used Kato track for this with the securing clips removed from a 'Unijoiner' on one end of one of the expanding track pieces, so that the joining piece simply slid into place.

I have never got on with track joins across baseboards and the like... apart from this one.

Well worth a try!

Best wishes.

John
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: port perran on April 23, 2019, 08:49:45 AM
I think that the removable fiddle yard is a wonderful idea which will give you much greater operational interest.
Go for it I say but as John so rightly says, just take care with that join.
Martin
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on April 23, 2019, 09:12:44 AM
Fab guys, glad to see it is possible!

Lots of planning will be needed, the layout is done in Fleischmann N track but I may give Peco a try (if it's compatible) as there seem to be more curved points available in the Peco system.

I'll have to research doing joins at it seems a mystery to me. I know one chap solders rail down to small screw heads in the baseboard, while others use copper plate.

Plenty to keep me out of mischief for a while (as if there wasn't enough on the main layout itself)!
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: ntpntpntp on April 23, 2019, 11:03:18 AM
It's certainly a good idea!

Some important things come to mind:

1) Accurate and repeatable location of the two boards.   Best achieved using locating dowels set into the framework.   

I use this type:
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Easy-Fit-Brass-Baseboard-Alignment-Dowels-Pattern-Makers-Dowels-Model-Railway/222534535660 (https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Easy-Fit-Brass-Baseboard-Alignment-Dowels-Pattern-Makers-Dowels-Model-Railway/222534535660)
(https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/wq4AAOSw42JZM9p2/s-l500.jpg)

This is another type I've also tried (but prefer the other ones):
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/4-Pairs-Model-Railway-Train-Set-Baseboard-Alignment-Dowels-Joiner-Cabinet-Makers/292623783187 (https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/4-Pairs-Model-Railway-Train-Set-Baseboard-Alignment-Dowels-Joiner-Cabinet-Makers/292623783187)
(https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/Zh4AAOSwl5pZfl6H/s-l500.jpg)



2) Secure the rail ends either side of the joint.   This is best done by laying a single piece of track across the joint, securing the rails then cutting through.  Doing it this way ensures a flat and accurate join.
 
I solder to small brass screws on scenic trackwork as they can be disguised as part of ballasting.   I like this method as the screws can be adjusted to the exact height required.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/76/5885-230419103806.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=76509)

 
Copper stripboard is another method and is fine for hidden trackwork but a bit ugly. You must remember to cut an insulating gap in the copper.

I recently acquired some copper clad sleeper strips pre-formed to match Peco trackwork, they are very neat but I've not yet tried them out.

http://www.mollehem.se/index.php/en/module-accessories/tieplates-detail (http://www.mollehem.se/index.php/en/module-accessories/tieplates-detail)
(http://www.mollehem.se/images/stories/virtuemart/product/tieplates4.jpg)




3) If you're going to be attaching and removing your fiddleyard frequently then be sure to use a reliable plug and socket to transfer power.  I use D-Sub connectors but there are many types of plug and socket to choose from.



Here's one of the little portable yards I use for an automatic shuttle service along my modular boards:

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/76/5885-230419105721.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=76510)



An alternative to using points is to use a cassette system, it can be a useful way of lifting and turning/exchanging complete short trains.   I made something very similar to this for my lad's 009 layout (well, I've made some cassettes but not actually built the yard itself yet!)
(http://www.zen98812.zen.co.uk/project/cassette08.jpg)
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on April 23, 2019, 11:16:11 AM
It's certainly a good idea!


Wow, thank you Nick! That's all useful info.

I like the idea of casettes, however I'm more inclined towards doing the fiddle yard, as although taking more space, it allows quite a bit more 'playability' factor.

Is it a good idea to switch to a different track system for the yard or is it always better to remain with one system for a layout?

Then I also have to consider making the points on the fiddle yard digitally operated, which is tempting seeing as I have one point working as such succesfully.

Matt
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: ntpntpntp on April 23, 2019, 11:33:35 AM
Is it a good idea to switch to a different track system for the yard or is it always better to remain with one system for a layout?

Doesn't really matter, but if you're used to the Fleischmann track then might as well continue with that. The fleischmann surface mounted motors mean you won't need to allow space underneath for (say) a Peco motor.

It might be a bit more awkward to solder the Fleischmann track at the board joints (you'd have to remove the pre-ballasted sleepers), but on the other hand you may find that simply putting  a screw through the Fleischmann track is enough to secure it?  I'd probably want to solder to ensure no movement at all.
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on April 23, 2019, 11:40:09 AM

Doesn't really matter, but if you're used to the Fleischmann track then might as well continue with that. The fleischmann surface mounted motors mean you won't need to allow space underneath for (say) a Peco motor.

It might be a bit more awkward to solder the Fleischmann track at the board joints (you'd have to remove the pre-ballasted sleepers), but on the other hand you may find that simply putting  a screw through the Fleischmann track is enough to secure it?  I'd probably want to solder to ensure no movement at all.

Great Nick, think I'll stick with the Fleischmann track. It's not pre-ballasted, it's the system Fleischmann recently took over from Roco, which just has webbing.
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: ntpntpntp on April 23, 2019, 12:02:53 PM

... it's the system Fleischmann recently took over from Roco, which just has webbing.

Ah ok. 

So if you go for soldering to screws or copper clad strip, the trick is to take a length of the track and remove about 1" of sleepers from the middle where the track will cross the board join. Secure the screws/strip first, lay the track across and solder the rails then cut through. You can then separate the boards and slide a sleeper on each side from the end.

As I mentioned, I find brass screws are great as you can carefully adjust each one so it's the exact height to touch the underside of the rail before soldering. With the Peco 55 track I use, the screws end up pretty much fully covered by ballast, but that won't be the case with standard rail.

(I need to clean the flux off the rails here before I paint the trackwork)

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/76/5885-230419120010.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=76520)
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on April 23, 2019, 12:13:27 PM

Ah ok. 

So if you go for soldering to screws or copper clad strip, the trick is to take a length of the track and remove about 1" of sleepers from the middle where the track will cross the board join. Secure the screws/strip first, lay the track across and solder the rails then cut through. You can then separate the boards and slide a sleeper on each side from the end.

As I mentioned, I find brass screws are great as you can carefully adjust each one so it's the exact height to touch the underside of the rail before soldering. With the Peco 55 track I use, the screws end up pretty much fully covered by ballast, but that won't be the case with standard rail.

(I need to clean the flux off the rails here before I paint the trackwork)


Great! Screw method looks good!

I'll have to do the measurements first and then the woodwork. When two sections are joined, does one have to use rail joiners (which is fiddley), or can I just use the D-sub? I want it to be quick and easy to attach/detach.

Ammendment: Looking at your photo I see you don't use joiners!
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: ntpntpntp on April 23, 2019, 12:26:00 PM
Looking at your photo I see you don't use joiners!

That's correct, that's why you spend time making sure the woodwork lines up (using the locating dowels) and the rail ends are secured by soldering. I can assemble/dismantle the boards 100s of times and the rails will always line up perfectly. 

One thing I forgot to mention (but pretty obvious) you'll need nuts and bolts or some other fixing mechanism to tighten the boards together. Bolts and wing-nuts are probably best if you'll be removing the yard in-between play times!
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on April 23, 2019, 12:31:33 PM

That's correct, that's why you spend time making sure the woodwork lines up (using the locating dowels) and the rail ends are secured by soldering. I can assemble/dismantle the boards 100s of times and the rails will always line up perfectly. 

One thing I forgot to mention (but pretty obvious) you'll need nuts and bolts or some other fixing mechanism to tighten the boards together. Bolts and wing-nuts are probably best if you'll be removing the yard in-between play times!

Ah I see! I'll go the bolt and wing nut route. Will have to do some head scratching and re-engineering of the existing baseboard as it was not built with that in mind, but sure I can figure something out! :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on April 24, 2019, 10:31:03 AM
A morning of doing window frames, cut from 0.25 mm styrene.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/76/7020-240419103002.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=76568)

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/76/7020-240419103022.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=76569)

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/76/7020-240419103041.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=76570)

Almost ready to paint! 8)
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on April 25, 2019, 05:24:29 PM
I've washed the station in soapy water, masked it up and begun the spray priming.
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/76/7020-250419172342.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=76613)

Also got around to some landscape-blending today.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/76/7020-250419172408.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=76614)
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: GScaleBruce on April 25, 2019, 09:28:52 PM
Looking good!
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on April 27, 2019, 08:30:40 AM
Looking good!

Cheers Bruce, yes I'm happy with progress! Wouldn't look so good without the input of N Gauge Forum-ers though! :beers:

Matt
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on April 27, 2019, 08:33:33 AM
I'm pleased to announce a top secret mini-project, regarding this area of the station.

I won't be posting any updates on this specific mini-project, progress on it will be kept hidden and I will simply reveal it in a few week's time, once it is fully completed. ;D

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/76/7020-270419083252.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=76691)
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: daffy on April 27, 2019, 12:12:37 PM
Just catching up,on your work Matt. Excellent progress, and I do like the roadway landscaping.

Is there a prize for guessing what will appear at the .  :hmmm:

My guess is a carousel, just because I like carousels. :)
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on April 27, 2019, 07:16:28 PM
Just catching up,on your work Matt. Excellent progress, and I do like the roadway landscaping.

Is there a prize for guessing what will appear at the .  :hmmm:

My guess is a carousel, just because I like carousels. :)

Thanks Daffy  :)

Afraid you're off the mark with the carousel, though that would be very cool.

It's probably not overly hard to guess what the item will be generally speaking, but specifically virtually impossible! You'll just have to wait and see. :D
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: swisstrains on April 27, 2019, 08:47:42 PM
Just catching up,on your work Matt. Excellent progress, and I do like the roadway landscaping.

Is there a prize for guessing what will appear at the .  :hmmm:

My guess is a carousel, just because I like carousels. :)

Thanks Daffy  :)

Afraid you're off the mark with the carousel, though that would be very cool.

It's probably not overly hard to guess what the item will be generally speaking, but specifically virtually impossible! You'll just have to wait and see. :D

I'm intrigued Matt. :hmmm:

Just for Mike (Daffy) here's a carousel on one of my British layouts...……….before I saw the light and crossed the Channel :D

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/73/193-090119112709.jpeg)
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on April 28, 2019, 08:16:36 AM

Just for Mike (Daffy) here's a carousel on one of my British layouts...……….before I saw the light and crossed the Channel :D

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/73/193-090119112709.jpeg)

I like this British layout John! In an ideal world, I would also have a British layout too  :thumbsup:

Matt
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: NScaleNotes on April 28, 2019, 10:59:05 AM
It's probably not overly hard to guess what the item will be generally speaking, but specifically virtually impossible! You'll just have to wait and see. :D

Oooh exciting... it's an interesting shaped plot that's for sure  :claphappy:. You could definitely get some interesting modern European architecture in there.
Looking forward to seeing what you put together as the rest of what you've done looks so good.

Simon
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on April 28, 2019, 04:38:22 PM
You could definitely get some interesting modern European architecture in there.

Very perceptive of you Simon! :thumbsup: No more hints though!   ;D

Meanwhile, here's my greenery-ing setup. Helps to be organised!
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/76/7020-280419163708.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=76772)

And here some tricky road engineering - an intersection into a slope into a level crossing! No wonder I left it till last  :smiley-laughing:

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/76/7020-280419163738.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=76773)
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on April 30, 2019, 05:37:32 PM
Masking and spraying the station. I did make a few masking errors, so going to have to re-mask and spray tomorrow :doh:

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/76/7020-300419173702.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=76843)

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/76/7020-300419173721.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=76844)
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on May 01, 2019, 12:07:32 PM
Still needs weathering, glazing, roof gritting, and some other details painting in. Finish is not quite as effective as would have liked - there's some inevitable errors with the masking process etc. But pretty happy overall!

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/76/7020-010519120704.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=76864)

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/76/7020-010519120723.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=76865)
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: dannyboy on May 01, 2019, 12:11:43 PM
That is looking pretty good. The camera can be cruel but I am struggling to find the errors.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on May 01, 2019, 01:49:32 PM
That is looking pretty good. The camera can be cruel but I am struggling to find the errors.  :thumbsup:

Thanks David, yes they're only small imperfections - I'll live with them!

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/76/7020-010519134923.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=76866)
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on May 05, 2019, 09:08:01 AM
I've finished the weathering and roof gravel (had to redo it about 4 times in order to not get any weird ripples caused by uneven PVA).

Now I'll need to add details like posters/ ticket machines etc. and window glass of course!

This is the side of the station from the far-side platforms, which one never really sees!
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/77/7020-050519090738.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=77015)

And here the front view.
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/77/7020-050519093804.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=77016)
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: weave on May 05, 2019, 09:49:16 AM
Looks fantastic. Really great work  :thumbsup:

Cheers weave  :beers:
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: swisstrains on May 05, 2019, 09:53:08 AM
A building to be proud of Matt. Great stuff. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on May 05, 2019, 10:24:26 AM
Looks fantastic. Really great work  :thumbsup:

Cheers weave  :beers:

Thank you Weave! :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on May 05, 2019, 10:25:08 AM
A building to be proud of Matt. Great stuff. :thumbsup:

Cheers John, really glad I brought up the ground height as per your suggestion too!

Matt :beers:
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: NScaleNotes on May 05, 2019, 10:45:13 AM
I've finished the weathering and roof gravel (had to redo it about 4 times in order to not get any weird ripples caused by uneven PVA).

Now I'll need to add details like posters/ ticket machines etc. and window glass of course!

This is the side of the station from the far-side platforms, which one never really sees!
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/77/7020-050519090738.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=77015)

And here the front view.
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/77/7020-050519093804.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=77016)

Looks great, can't wait to see it with all the finishing touches. Keep up the good work  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on May 05, 2019, 07:09:35 PM

Looks great, can't wait to see it with all the finishing touches. Keep up the good work  :thumbsup:

Thank you! yes I think the touches will help bring it to life more.  :thumbsup:

Cheers
Matt
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on May 05, 2019, 07:11:52 PM
While attention has been diverted to the station build, things have been plodding along slowly on the level crossing front. I've offered time and a half pay to my contractors in the hope of pushing things along a bit. Otherwise nobody will be able to get to the new station!!!

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/77/7020-050519191128.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=77029)
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: weave on May 05, 2019, 10:42:53 PM
Maybe the passengers could arrive by the potential Hubschrauber-Pad next to the station  :D.

??? We're still waiting, unless you said what's going there and I have the memory of a flea  :worried:.

Prob said before but love your TEN coaches. Brings back good memories (although never able to afford to travel in them  :)  ;)). I did buy a DB red one to go with my blue TEN (NUIT) and (NOTTE) ones. Must do pics soon.

All looking good.

Cheers weave  :beers:



Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on May 06, 2019, 07:51:24 AM
Maybe the passengers could arrive by the potential Hubschrauber-Pad next to the station  :D.
Cheers weave  :beers:

Now there's a great idea! I think due to the layout being the small size that it is, the buildings are only going to be railway-related though  :D

Ok, seeing as it's proably going to take aeons to complete this, I may as well give the game away.

It's going to be a trendy bar - more specifically the Portier bar in Winterthur, Switzerland. The building dates from 1955 and it used to be the entry point office to the SLM loco works at Winterthur. I contacted the owners and they kindly took lots of pics for me! :)

By pure coincidence it's exactly the right shape for the area it sits. I will however be building it in mirror image. It will probably also have a Mitropa sign rather than Portier, we will see though.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/77/7020-060519074656.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=77057)

P.s. does anyone know where I could get a models of 1960's motorbikers on their motorbikes? :hmmm: My dad and his brother went touring around the continent as such on Sunbeams (no doubt getting into evey kind of mischief) and I would rather like to represent them on the layout.
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: swisstrains on May 06, 2019, 10:08:54 AM
.....................P.s. does anyone know where I could get a models of 1960's motorbikers on their motorbikes? :hmmm: My dad and his brother went touring around the continent as such on Sunbeams (no doubt getting into evey kind of mischief) and I would rather like to represent them on the layout.


Noch N36904 look quite nice.
 
http://www.topslotsntrains.com/topslotsntrains/final.asp?ref=Noch-36904-N-Scale-Hand-Painted-Figures-MOTORCYCLISTS-%E2%80%93-3-X-PEOPLE-AND-2-X-MOTORCYCLES-&id=14176&manufacturer=%27Noch%27 (http://www.topslotsntrains.com/topslotsntrains/final.asp?ref=Noch-36904-N-Scale-Hand-Painted-Figures-MOTORCYCLISTS-%E2%80%93-3-X-PEOPLE-AND-2-X-MOTORCYCLES-&id=14176&manufacturer=%27Noch%27)

In N Gauge I think the bikes could easily pass as Sunbeams.
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on May 06, 2019, 11:05:08 AM
.....................P.s. does anyone know where I could get a models of 1960's motorbikers on their motorbikes? :hmmm: My dad and his brother went touring around the continent as such on Sunbeams (no doubt getting into evey kind of mischief) and I would rather like to represent them on the layout.

Noch N36904 look quite nice.

In N Gauge I think the bikes could easily pass as Sunbeams.

Brilliant John, thank you!!!! :thumbsup: :beers:
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: NScaleNotes on May 06, 2019, 11:27:40 AM
 :helpneededsign:

Seeing as you've got a modern coach (that's the rubber wheeled variety rather than steel and rails  :D) on your layout you couldn't do me a favour and tell me how high it is in mm please?

I've got lots of trains and no vehicles and I'm trying a scale a bridge from a photograph for a module I'm working on; knowing the height of a coach in N scale will help me know if I'm in the right ball park.

Thanks

Simon
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on May 06, 2019, 11:38:42 AM
:helpneededsign:

Seeing as you've got a modern coach (that's the rubber wheeled variety rather than steel and rails  :D) on your layout you couldn't do me a favour and tell me how high it is in mm please?

I've got lots of trains and no vehicles and I'm trying a scale a bridge from a photograph for a module I'm working on; knowing the height of a coach in N scale will help me know if I'm in the right ball park.

Thanks

Simon

Hi Simon sure thing! The Mercedes 0 404 coach is coming in at:
 
22mm height (22.5mm if you incude the bump at the back of the roof)
76mm length
15mm width

Cheers
Matt
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: NScaleNotes on May 06, 2019, 11:53:21 AM
That's great thanks.

I reckon I'm a little out but I'm on the right track. All I had to work from was a reference that mentioned the Berlin Stadtbahn tracks are a minimum of 9m above the ground...  :worried:

Turns out they're a bit higher in the section I'm modelling.


Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on May 09, 2019, 05:17:57 PM
Evidence of at least some productivity today. Not really high drama stuff though!

1. I've repainted all my tarmac groundwork/roads/platforms etc. with Tamiya XF acrylics.

Just to explain myself, the poster paint style Hobbycraft bottled cheap paint I had used had a very nice ultra matt appearance, however it was just too fragile a surface. If I ever got a droplet of water on it, it made ugly little craters. I experimented with Golden acrylic tube paints mixed with Liquitex matte medium, but this turned out to be about as matte as the bonnet of a new Rolls Royce polished up especially for an ad shoot!

The Tamiya XFs actually dry with a very minor sheen but create a very pleasingly robust surface, so happy for the (not terrible) outlay. I used a sponge to apply so no brush marks visible. Top job! 8)

2. Progressing steadily with the level crossing area. Trains are running smoothly, so far, so good. I'll scratch build all the appropriate safety gubbins.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/77/7020-090519171603.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=77221)
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: ntpntpntp on May 09, 2019, 07:52:19 PM
Tamiya acrylics have been my preferred choice for general scenic work and buildings since the 90s. They work nicely in an airbrush when thinned down 50/50 or more.   My only disappointment was when they seemed to switch to smaller jars.  Which reminds me I need to restock a few flavours!
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on May 10, 2019, 11:21:50 AM
Mr Arnold loco arrive - it's new and I just cannot get the body shell off! ???

Update:

 :veryangry: :veryangry: :veryangry: :censored: :censored: :censored: :doh: :doh: >:D :veryangry: >:( >:( :confused2: :hmmm: :veryangry: :veryangry:
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: ntpntpntp on May 10, 2019, 01:17:53 PM
Should be the usual case of fingernails up the sides of the bodyshell - but also beware of models that require you to remove the buffers as they lock the body to the chassis. 

RTFM  :D

[edit]

The service sheet says remove the couplings first? Presume that means the bodyshell ends have a fully enclosed opening around the couplings?

http://www.arnold-ersatzteile.de/mediapool/60/605716/data/Eigene_Dateien_5/HN2291.pdf (http://www.arnold-ersatzteile.de/mediapool/60/605716/data/Eigene_Dateien_5/HN2291.pdf)
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on May 10, 2019, 01:26:50 PM
Should be the usual case of fingernails up the sides of the bodyshell - but also beware of models that require you to remove the buffers as they lock the body to the chassis. 

RTFM  :D


I've RTFM'ed but still no joy. I've had the couplers off but not the buffers - doesn't seem to indicate that.

I've slid thin plastic up the sides too - still no joy. I've almost ruptured a finger tendon shaking it with my finger nails up the sides. :hmmm: :confused2:

Manual attached below..
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: ntpntpntp on May 10, 2019, 01:32:33 PM
If particularly troublesome, I sometimes gently insert 4 scalpel blades (2 either side) to split the bodyshell away from the chassis block and keep it that way whilst then using tweezers or snipe nose pliers to grip and gently pull the chassis block out, or maybe a jeweler's screwdriver as a lever. They can be quite tight!
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on May 10, 2019, 02:14:30 PM
If particularly troublesome, I sometimes gently insert 4 scalpel blades (2 either side) to split the bodyshell away from the chassis block and keep it that way whilst then using tweezers or snipe nose pliers to grip and gently pull the chassis block out, or maybe a jeweler's screwdriver as a lever. They can be quite tight!

Thnaks Nick, it's off now!

Tried the razors first to loosen things a bit. Then I discovered micro-cavities that I could get a little traction to pull with very fine modelling tweezers. What a mare! Popped a Zimo in, runs like clockwork!

Phew!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on May 10, 2019, 02:30:34 PM
So here's my new baby!

Runs really smooth, on first impressions  :)
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/77/7020-100519143027.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=77250)
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: ntpntpntp on May 10, 2019, 05:53:31 PM
Nice beast, just needs wires  :D
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: carlmt on May 10, 2019, 08:46:03 PM
Nice beast, just needs wires  :D

I'm working on it  :angel: :angel:  - Or at least, an affordable version anyway.....  :beers: :beers:
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: carlmt on May 10, 2019, 08:53:24 PM
3D printed single masts - for use with Vollmer or Sommerfeldt wires.....

(https://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/MODEL%20RAILWAY/20190505_164624_resized_zpsetvesku5.jpg)

(https://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/MODEL%20RAILWAY/20190505_164639_resized_zpsclhcjtxn.jpg)

(https://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/MODEL%20RAILWAY/20190505_164706_resized_zpsiyk4gaul.jpg)
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: ntpntpntp on May 10, 2019, 10:35:08 PM
3D printed single masts - for use with Vollmer or Sommerfeldt wires.....

I wasn't aware you intend them to work with  Vollmer wires - will the registration arms be strong enough to take the tension?

Happy to test a couple for you in due course - I've used the Vollmer/Minitrix catenary since the mid 80s   :D

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/77/5885-100519223417.jpeg)
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: carlmt on May 10, 2019, 11:04:45 PM
Hi Nick

I think they will be able to cope - the plastic they are printed from is very tough.  I haven't managed to break one with my fingers yet; bent one, yes, but not actually broken it.  I need to finesse the design and idea yet (job for this weekend) and then I will mock up a small section of track to see how they cope with the wires - too damn fiddly to 'dry run' with them!!

I am trying to avoid the Vollmer / Minitrix idea of having a 'sprung' element from the top loop to hold the wires on the lower arm - by making that arm just the right size that the hole in the end of the wire is a snug fit over the arm.

Be very glad to send a few over for you to play with just as soon as I have got to the point that I think it works.  Always good to get a second opinion!!

PS - Is your overhead powered?  I had a layout in the 70's with Vollmer and Minitrix sets and this was fully powered. Could double-head an ore train with a pair of 150's long before DCC!!!
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: carlmt on May 10, 2019, 11:20:08 PM
Unfortunately, this is the only photo I have of my childhood layout from back then :

(https://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/reichenbach001_zpscezrf1px.jpg)

All built on a 5' x 3' piece of chipboard.
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on May 11, 2019, 07:52:09 AM
Nice beast, just needs wires  :D

Yes she is - LOL yes wires required soon! And signals and layout lighting effects!

Actually this new Arnold loco has highlighted a new problem with my Hobbytrain locos.

My Arnold and Fleischmann locos with Zimo MX616N chips run beautifully smoothly

My Hobbytrain 2838 Blue/Cream Hobbytrain BR110 with ZimoMX616N was malfunctioning - running almost too hot to touch the motor and constantly cutting out, along with holding inconsistant speed. This loco is going back for replacement, as it must be defective. I'm wondering if I should actually exchange this for Fleischmann's equivalent 73380?  :hmmm:

My Hobbytrain 2837 Red/Cream Hobbytrain BR114 with ZimoMX616N runs ok-ish. However it is jumpy in terms of acceleration. Could this be cured by tuning the chip somehow (how does one do this)? It is also still squeeking despite being serviced - I can live with it but slightly irritating.

I'm really disappointed as I love BR110/114s  :'(
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: swisstrains on May 11, 2019, 11:07:38 AM
Hi Matt. Sorry to hear about the problems you are having with your Hobbytrain locos.
Were you able to test the locos on DC before you fitted the decoders?
It might not have anything to do with the problems you are experiencing but I have read that on some Hobbytrain locos, when a decoder is fitted, it is positioned directly above the interference suppressor. The heat from this causes the decoder to overheat and it trips out. Are the decoders on your locos positioned above the suppressor?
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on May 11, 2019, 12:37:03 PM
Hi Matt. Sorry to hear about the problems you are having with your Hobbytrain locos.
Were you able to test the locos on DC before you fitted the decoders?
It might not have anything to do with the problems you are experiencing but I have read that on some Hobbytrain locos, when a decoder is fitted, it is positioned directly above the interference suppressor. The heat from this causes the decoder to overheat and it trips out. Are the decoders on your locos positioned above the suppressor?

Hi John

Yes it's because the running of this new Arnold is so excellent, it's made me realise - this is how it should be!

I'll have to investigate about the surpressor, but you may be correct, maybe the Hobbytrains are just conflicting with the chips.

I'll have to rig up a DC test track to test your theory. Now where's my blasted soldering iron gone? :hmmm: :D

Matt
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: ntpntpntp on May 11, 2019, 12:43:58 PM
I would certainly expect Hobbytrain to be just as good as modern Arnold.   

I have noticed over the years that my DC Kato & Hobbytrain locos don't like the tuning of the feedback on my KPC controllers, so I ensure it's switched out for those, - it could be a case of adjusting the BEMF settings in the decoder you're using.  You may well find  recommended settings for certain motors on the Zimo website or user group?
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on May 11, 2019, 12:50:14 PM
I would certainly expect Hobbytrain to be just as good as modern Arnold.   

I have noticed over the years that my DC Kato & Hobbytrain locos don't like the tuning of the feedback on my KPC controllers, so I ensure it's switched out for those, - it could be a case of adjusting the BEMF settings in the decoder you're using.  You may well find  recommended settings for certain motors on the Zimo website or user group?

I think a DC test is in order. If it runs fine on DC I'll have to check up those settings if I can work out how to access them. I feel I am overdue my honorary electronics degree from Oxford after getting involved in railway modelling! :D
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on May 11, 2019, 01:36:17 PM
I would certainly expect Hobbytrain to be just as good as modern Arnold.   

I have noticed over the years that my DC Kato & Hobbytrain locos don't like the tuning of the feedback on my KPC controllers, so I ensure it's switched out for those, - it could be a case of adjusting the BEMF settings in the decoder you're using.  You may well find  recommended settings for certain motors on the Zimo website or user group?

Ok I've now tested - the Hobbytrain BR114 is running much better on DC than on DCC!

The main issue is juttery-ness/ acceleration/decelartion speed step lurches on DCC. This does not occur on DC.
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on May 12, 2019, 09:55:40 AM
Scenic-ing progresses...

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/77/7020-120519095511.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=77321)

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/77/7020-120519095532.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=77322)
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on May 17, 2019, 05:04:35 PM
Here's how things are looking - the right-hand side of the layout is gradually getting progressed.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/77/7020-170519170319.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=77561)

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/77/7020-170519170340.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=77562)

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/77/7020-170519170401.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=77563)

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/77/7020-170519170523.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=77565)
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on May 21, 2019, 06:52:18 PM
I've painted in my platform safety lines - quite a masking job!

And here is a shamelessly nostalgic shot  :D
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/77/7020-210519185212.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=77680)
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: dannyboy on May 21, 2019, 06:55:29 PM
Are you sure you painted them? They look too straight.  ;) A job well done there.  :thumbsup:

Matt, I have just re-read my post and it might have come across as me disbelieving you. I only meant to say what an excellent job you have done. I'll shut up now!
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: swisstrains on May 21, 2019, 08:47:17 PM
I've painted in my platform safety lines - quite a masking job!


Nice work Matt. :thumbsup: I've been plucking up the courage to do the same on my platforms...…………….for the past 15 years :D
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on May 21, 2019, 10:22:01 PM
Are you sure you painted them? They look too straight.  ;) A job well done there.  :thumbsup:

Matt, I have just re-read my post and it might have come across as me disbelieving you. I only meant to say what an excellent job you have done. I'll shut up now!

Thank you Danny Boy that's a kind compliment! :beers: As usual the masking did allow some paint to go where not wanted, so had to resort to a brush to tidy it up. I'll use the same method for road markings but will be a bit more tricky I think.

Layout continues to progress with glacial slowness  :D

Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on May 21, 2019, 10:23:30 PM
I've painted in my platform safety lines - quite a masking job!


Nice work Matt. :thumbsup: I've been plucking up the courage to do the same on my platforms...…………….for the past 15 years :D

Ha ha thanks John - yes not surprised it's an onorous masking job! Happy with the effect though now.

Cheers
Matt
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on May 22, 2019, 07:38:35 AM
A bit more of that line work.


(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/77/7020-220519073827.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=77690)
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: swisstrains on May 22, 2019, 08:48:36 AM
That's really neat Matt. You are certainly a master of the masking tape. 8)
If I ever get around to doing mine I think I would have to cheat and use a paint marker pen. That's what I use for road markings.
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: port perran on May 22, 2019, 08:59:04 AM
I’m jst catching up on this again.
It’s looking really good.
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on May 22, 2019, 03:03:08 PM
That's really neat Matt. You are certainly a master of the masking tape. 8)
If I ever get around to doing mine I think I would have to cheat and use a paint marker pen. That's what I use for road markings.

Thanks John! Well, I may resort to marker paint pen - we'll see.

Matt
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on May 22, 2019, 03:03:42 PM
I’m jst catching up on this again.
It’s looking really good.

Cheers Port Perran, yep she's creeping along!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: ntpntpntp on May 22, 2019, 07:05:39 PM
A bit more of that line work.


(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/77/7020-220519073827.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=77690)

Nice gravel flat roof. I have similar on the platform canopies (made by a good friend many years ago!)

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/77/5885-220519190437.jpeg)
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: grumbeast on May 22, 2019, 07:24:33 PM
Thats looking pretty awesome, and so neat!
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on May 23, 2019, 08:14:28 AM

Nice gravel flat roof. I have similar on the platform canopies (made by a good friend many years ago!)


Thanks Nick. Yes I like the gravel look. Actually I've made the station look much more 'noble' than in real life. The prototype is falling to pieces somewhat (sadly, and unusual for Switzerland). It also has an ordinary tar roof. But it's creative licence!

Meanwhile I've been working on the 2nd level crossing. This is a smaller one - more of a service/utility crossing for the control box personnel. They are still rather time consuming to produce!

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/77/7020-230519081336.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=77715)

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/77/7020-230519081401.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=77716)
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on May 23, 2019, 08:20:25 AM
Thats looking pretty awesome, and so neat!

Thank you!  :beers:
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on May 24, 2019, 07:48:16 PM
Just managed to catch some evening light on the layout, with seconds to spare!

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/77/7020-240519194657.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=77760)

Most the work today has been on terrain forming around my service level crossing, as well as setting out the abandoned siding area. Pics will follow!
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: RailGooner on May 24, 2019, 07:55:03 PM
A lovely shot. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on May 25, 2019, 01:48:00 PM
A lovely shot. :thumbsup:

Thank you!

Here is the abandoned siding progress. There's a narrow farm track running alongside it.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/77/7020-250519134708.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=77779)


And the utility level crosing to access the signal box car park.


(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/77/7020-250519134643.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=77778)

Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on May 25, 2019, 05:33:49 PM
And some more of the derelict siding...


(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/77/7020-250519173324.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=77783)


(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/77/7020-250519173344.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=77784)
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on May 25, 2019, 05:37:15 PM
I need to chop off this capacitor, but dont have the right snippers for the job. Any particular recommendations? :hmmm:

Cheers
Matt


(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/77/7020-250519173701.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=77785)
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Garyf on May 25, 2019, 05:37:59 PM
Looking good. Make sure the 4x4 driver doesn't nick the sleepers for a garden feature!

Gary
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on May 25, 2019, 06:20:37 PM
Made a spontaneous trip to the Railex exhibition in Aylesbury today. Good show, not a continental layout in sight though.

The layout which by far and away most impressed me the most was this tiny N gauge portable layout Cameo Callaton by Mick Simpson. Rendered in exquisite detail, it makes my own small layout look huge by comparison!

Mick has had to carefully consider every square centimeter. Very nice chap too. Enjoy the pics!

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/77/7020-250519181829.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=77787)

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/77/7020-250519181805.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=77786)
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: ntpntpntp on May 25, 2019, 06:26:47 PM
I need to chop off this capacitor, but dont have the right snippers for the job. Any particular recommendations? :hmmm:

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/77/7020-250519173701.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=77785)


Has that been recommended to you by the supplier? Don't usually need to bother.

It's a surface mount device, so just gently unsolder it on both ends and make sure you don't leave any solder blobs  :D
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on May 25, 2019, 07:14:40 PM

Has that been recommended to you by the supplier? Don't usually need to bother.

It's a surface mount device, so just gently unsolder it on both ends and make sure you don't leave any solder blobs  :D

Yes Zimo recommended it as the Zimo chip is messing with this loco's mind it seems.

I've never done PCB soldering before. I might try and find a scrap one to practice demounting items from it first. Hmmm now where's a scrap PCB when you need one!?   :hmmm:

Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on May 28, 2019, 10:29:06 AM
This is quite significant: the very last evidence of plywood baseboard is getting covered over on the layout!

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/77/7020-280519102720.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=77847)

Shrubbery in the bottom right hand corner gets completed - there will some trees here too!

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/77/7020-280519102806.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=77848)
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on May 28, 2019, 06:14:11 PM
More evening light...

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/77/7020-280519181401.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=77855)
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on May 31, 2019, 05:12:59 PM
Still pushing along with the derelict siding...

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/77/7020-310519171032.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=77963)

A suitably rusty buffer stop:

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/77/7020-310519171051.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=77964)


(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/77/7020-310519171139.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=77965)

And a mock up of my bar/ bistro. The photo makes it look larger than it is proportionally - it's tiny really!:

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/77/7020-310519171214.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=77966)
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: ntpntpntp on May 31, 2019, 06:01:58 PM
Still pushing along with the derelict siding...
... but you could have parked a 2 coach multiple unit in there  :D

My derelict siding has an old 2-10-0 loco dumped in it

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/77/5885-310519180127.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=77968)
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on June 01, 2019, 07:26:46 AM

... but you could have parked a 2 coach multiple unit in there  :D

My derelict siding has an old 2-10-0 loco dumped in it


Lol yes I could have!  :D

Brilliant piece of dereliction there on your layout Nick!  :thumbsup:

Matt
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on June 02, 2019, 02:25:07 PM
Vegetation has now been added to the siding area. I'm looking forward to distressing up either a coach or wagon to position on the siding.

Tempting to put part of an ATP in there  :D - only kidding!

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/78/7020-020619142308.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=78018)

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/78/7020-020619142401.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=78020)

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/78/7020-020619142422.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=78021)

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/78/7020-020619142335.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=78019)
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on June 03, 2019, 09:28:29 AM
Adding glazing to the station. Rather fiddly work, plus when the building is on the layout you can barely even see it  ;D


(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/78/7020-030619092734.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=78072)

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/78/7020-030619092816.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=78073)
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on June 03, 2019, 10:18:53 AM
And here's an overview of the whole layout.

Main things to still add:

- Catenary
- Signals
- Lighting
- Advertising billboards
- People
- Station detailing
- Platform canopy
- Level crosing detailing
- More trees

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/78/7020-030619101636.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=78074)

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/78/7020-030619101658.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=78075)

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/78/7020-030619101719.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=78076)
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on June 08, 2019, 11:33:20 AM
I've spent much of this week trying to solve the problem with my Hobbytrain BR110 and BR112 locos and their Zimo chips.

Zimo have been ever so communicative and helpful, they get top marks for customer service!

Consequently I've done my first ever PCB soldering - removing two inductors from each PCB and replacing with DCC fine wire. Please don't laugh at the the soldering!

The locos work just fine and I just need to do further testing re. jittery performance, to see if the operation made a difference. If not, then it's definitely down to CVs.

Weirdly I never got on with electronics at school. I suppose now I have real enthusiasm driving me into uncharted waters!

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/78/7020-080619113103.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=78284)

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/78/7020-080619113003.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=78281)

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/78/7020-080619113026.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=78282)

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/78/7020-080619113043.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=78283)

P.s the ruler is in the photo so I can show off to my friends how small and fiddly the work is!  :D

Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: ntpntpntp on June 08, 2019, 01:18:29 PM
Good start!

If the tests prove the problem is cured by those alterations, I'd say shorten the link wires by about half, and use less solder.  You only need to tin the pad on the circuit board and the end of the wire link, then heat the two together to create a joint. Keep the  bare ends of the wire links short - say 1mm. The insulation will naturally melt back a small amount when you apply the heat.
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on June 08, 2019, 05:37:54 PM
Good start!


Cheers Nick, feedback always useful.

I've redone both, as shown below. Still too much solder on there, but it's tricky to remove the blobs once they're on the PCB! The locos function.

Problem wise, I think the BR112 is smoother but the BR110 hasn't really stopped being a tad zittery/lurchy - maybe (as it's the newere of the two) it just needs to run in?

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/78/7020-080619173538.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=78293)

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/78/7020-080619173557.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=78294)

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/78/7020-080619173704.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=78296)
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on June 10, 2019, 10:31:25 PM
Installing the service crossing so my little people can get to the signal box.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/78/7020-100619223116.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=78352)
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: retica on June 10, 2019, 10:57:23 PM
Cheers Nick, feedback always useful.

Hey Matt, one reason for these Hobbytrain (made by Ajin) models when they run hot could be that the chassis halves are screwed too tight together which can hinder the whole drive mechanism from run freely. Undo the screws, use a small screw driver to go between the chassis halves to pry them apart a bit, screw them back together but only loosely, let it run for a while and see if they still run hot.

steve 
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on June 11, 2019, 08:03:44 AM
Cheers Nick, feedback always useful.

Hey Matt, one reason for these Hobbytrain (made by Ajin) models when they run hot could be that the chassis halves are screwed too tight together which can hinder the whole drive mechanism from run freely. Undo the screws, use a small screw driver to go between the chassis halves to pry them apart a bit, screw them back together but only loosely, let it run for a while and see if they still run hot.

steve

Hi Steve,

The hot running did stop with removal of the capacitors and inductors. What I'm left with is squeeky running and speed lurches/juddering. I wonder if your solution may cure those problems too?  :hmmm:

Matt
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on June 13, 2019, 08:26:17 AM
Test positioning my tiny bistro. Still needs lots of details adding and painting of course!

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/78/7020-130619082339.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=78455)

The red Fleischmann R101 depicted is now presenting some issues. It's been running beutifully with its chip since October. All of a sudden, it now operates in small pulses or surges as it runs. I've cleaned the wheels and the pickup contacts. The chip is plugged in just fine still. Any ideas what might be up?  :hmmm:
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Bealman on June 13, 2019, 08:35:45 AM
The bistro looks great. Can't help with the loco, unfortunately!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: port perran on June 13, 2019, 08:37:25 AM
The bistro is great. Fantastic roof shape - very stylish.
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on June 13, 2019, 08:47:05 AM
The bistro looks great. Can't help with the loco, unfortunately!  :thumbsup:

Thank you!  :)
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: retica on June 13, 2019, 08:48:00 AM
Any ideas what might be up?  :hmmm:

A little piece of ballast stuck somewhere in one of the gears in a truck / bogie maybe ?

steve
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on June 13, 2019, 08:50:24 AM
The bistro is great. Fantastic roof shape - very stylish.

Thanks Port Perran!

Yes I love they style too. The building prototype has a really interesting history too. It was built in the 1950s as the entrance office to the SLM loco works in Winterthur. It's been converted quite recently into a bistro bar. The owners really helped me by sending photos from all angles!

Matt
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: ntpntpntp on June 13, 2019, 09:01:57 AM
Is the 101 doing quick judders or longer moments of slow and surge? Any unusual noises from the loco - screeches etc.?  Might be time for a very light lube of some bearings.  Fleischmann locos don't usually suffer from split gears (though I have had one gear failure) but it could be a grain of ballast in the works as @retica (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=6270) suggested.
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: swisstrains on June 13, 2019, 09:26:48 AM
Love the bistro Matt. A great unique addition to your layout.
Could the problems with your 101 be caused by dirty track? Dust and fibres from furnishings can give problems on layouts that are in living accommodation.
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on June 13, 2019, 09:42:11 AM
Is the 101 doing quick judders or longer moments of slow and surge? Any unusual noises from the loco - screeches etc.?  Might be time for a very light lube of some bearings.  Fleischmann locos don't usually suffer from split gears (though I have had one gear failure) but it could be a grain of ballast in the works as @retica (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=6270) suggested.

Hi Nick,

I had another look around the wheels and did discover some pockets of built up fibres (must be from furnishings as John pointed out) collecting between the traction tyre wheels and brake shoes. Though satisfying to remove, seems that wasn't the cause of the problem I'm afraid.

The loco is making smooth movements of slow and surge. It is still running very quietly and no unpleasant noises at all.  :hmmm:

I'll clean the track again (although this was done already quite recently).

Matt
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on June 14, 2019, 09:36:16 AM
I've taken apart the BR101. Found some minor dirt deposits here and there which I've cleaned. But problem with smooth surges still persists...

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/78/7020-140619093448.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=78499)

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/78/7020-140619093505.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=78500)

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/78/7020-140619093525.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=78501)

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/78/7020-140619093543.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=78502)

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/78/7020-140619093559.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=78503)
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on June 14, 2019, 09:57:48 AM
Cheers Nick, feedback always useful.

Hey Matt, one reason for these Hobbytrain (made by Ajin) models when they run hot could be that the chassis halves are screwed too tight together which can hinder the whole drive mechanism from run freely. Undo the screws, use a small screw driver to go between the chassis halves to pry them apart a bit, screw them back together but only loosely, let it run for a while and see if they still run hot.

steve

You genius Steve!

I did this trick on the squeeky BR112 and it's totally stopped the squeek! :bounce: I can't believe it - it had been driving me bonkers! I'll do it to the BR110 next to see what happens.

Matt
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on June 14, 2019, 10:12:18 AM

You genius Steve!

I did this trick on the squeeky BR112 and it's totally stopped the squeek! :bounce: I can't believe it - it had been driving me bonkers! I'll do it to the BR110 next to see what happens.

Matt

Oh heck, for some reason following doing this to the BR110 it has shorted. No idea why that happened. Dead as a dodo  :doh:

It worked so well on the BR112!
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: retica on June 14, 2019, 10:14:39 AM
I've taken apart the BR101.

Matt, have you had a closer look at the trucks/bogies ? You have this BR101 run on your freshly ballasted layout, I still think there could be some ballast debris stuck to one of the gears in the truck's gear tower. Just a thought.

steve 
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: retica on June 14, 2019, 10:18:19 AM

You genius Steve!

I did this trick on the squeeky BR112 and it's totally stopped the squeek! :bounce: I can't believe it - it had been driving me bonkers! I'll do it to the BR110 next to see what happens.

Matt


Oh heck, for some reason following doing this to the BR110 it has shorted. No idea why that happened. Dead as a dodo  :doh:

It worked so well on the BR112!


Just make sure the chassis halves make proper contact to the circuit board (or vice versa) and everything will be fine   ;)

steve
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on June 14, 2019, 11:36:54 AM


Just make sure the chassis halves make proper contact to the circuit board (or vice versa) and everything will be fine   ;)

steve

I think it may be more serious than that - there was a puff of smoke as it shorted from somewhere near the front of the motor.

Matt
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on June 14, 2019, 04:31:15 PM

Just make sure the chassis halves make proper contact to the circuit board (or vice versa) and everything will be fine   ;)

steve

I've tested the decoder in another loco - it's deep fried with vinegar and salt I'm afraid! My fault for meddling. In fairness it's only the 2nd decoder to go pop since I began this model railway lark back on October, so not too bad going!

I'll get a replacement and send the loco to my good repair friend to try to untangle what went wrong. Sure something can be learned.

Anyway the BR112 is running lovely now, and I have done my first loco take apart with the BR101 which is satisfying.
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: BlythPower on June 14, 2019, 08:35:51 PM
Anyway the BR112 is running lovely now, and I have done my first loco take apart with the BR101 which is satisfying.

Even more satisfying is putting it back together and finding it still works.  ;D

Although if you haven't kept an eye on which way is 'up' with the motor, the results can be interesting...  :-[
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: ntpntpntp on June 14, 2019, 09:00:23 PM
...
Although if you haven't kept an eye on which way is 'up' with the motor, the results can be interesting...  :-[

I always scratch a little "T" on the top of the motor when I'm working on a loco for the first time.
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on June 20, 2019, 10:27:50 AM
Finally, resolution to the BR110-gate scandal!  8)

After months of nothing but agro of every conceivable kind with my Hobbytrain (2015 manufacture) BR110 and BR112, I decided to just purchase a brand new Fleischmann BR110 (pictured with headlights on and panto up).

As I've come to expect from Fleischmann brothers - it was a simple case of bish bash bosh, out the box, decoder in, put on track, runs beautifully.

The lessons to be learned are:
- Zimo chips/ Multimaus and Fleischmann are a good combo
- If a loco looks good but runs poorly, it's just really mega depressing and basically invalidates that loco (if it can't be fixed)

I'm going to be sending the Hobbytrain locos to the metaphorical Barry scrapyard (aka Ebay) for spares and repair.

NB - visually comparing the Fleischmann and Hobbytrain versions is quite interesting. The Fleischmann is slightly larger in volume and rides a little higher (good match for my Minitrix coaching stock). Detailing is equally good. The profile of the curved loco frontages is slightly different - I would say a little less steeply inclined on the Fleischmann.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/78/7020-200619102608.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=78663)
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: swisstrains on June 20, 2019, 11:18:58 AM
Sorry to hear that you were unable to resolve the problems with your Hobbytrain locos Matt. Personally I have had very few problems with Hobbytrain locos but then again I have never converted one to DCC. My Hobbytrain locos are either DC or factory fitted DCC/Sound where (hopefully) any "tuning" has already been done.
Our hobby needs to be enjoyable and it won't be if we cannot get our trains to run smoothly so I think you have done the right thing by purchasing the Fleischmann loco. The BR110/112 is obviously a type of loco that you love so you will never be happy until you get a smooth running example on your layout. At the end of the day it's only money :D
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: ntpntpntp on June 20, 2019, 01:09:12 PM
I'll have the Hobbytrain locos for spare/repair if the price is right :D
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on June 20, 2019, 01:15:37 PM
Sorry to hear that you were unable to resolve the problems with your Hobbytrain locos Matt. Personally I have had very few problems with Hobbytrain locos but then again I have never converted one to DCC. My Hobbytrain locos are either DC or factory fitted DCC/Sound where (hopefully) any "tuning" has already been done.
Our hobby needs to be enjoyable and it won't be if we cannot get our trains to run smoothly so I think you have done the right thing by purchasing the Fleischmann loco. The BR110/112 is obviously a type of loco that you love so you will never be happy until you get a smooth running example on your layout. At the end of the day it's only money :D

Thanks John! Yes your philosophy is spot on  :thumbsup:

I think I've just had a spot of bad luck, but only a blip in the overall scheme of things!

Cheers
Matt
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on June 20, 2019, 01:16:54 PM
I'll have the Hobbytrain locos for spare/repair if the price is right :D

I'd much rather send them to Nick scrapyard than Barry scrapyard!  :smiley-laughing:

I'll message you!
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on June 21, 2019, 03:56:29 PM
This part of the project has been bugging me for a few days snd I've taken steps to resolve it.

I had constructed a long-ish ramp leading from the signal box up to the service level crossing. It was quite a lot of work to put in - shaping it and getting the risers for it in place. Anyway once done, I kept looking at and thinking 'that ramp is too long'. There's no science involved here, it just looked too long for some reason.

Anyhow took the bull by the horns and tore it up this afternoon. I'm putting in a shorter one to see if my gut instinct is correct!

Taking up the long ramp:
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/78/7020-210619155530.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=78708)

Test-fitting the new, shorter ramp:
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/78/7020-210619155611.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=78710)
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: swisstrains on June 21, 2019, 08:44:20 PM
If you think something isn't quite right it will bug you until you do something about it. Those doubts never go away. I know, been there many times :D
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on June 21, 2019, 09:54:09 PM
If you think something isn't quite right it will bug you until you do something about it. Those doubts never go away. I know, been there many times :D

Agreed! And the trouble is one often has to do it fully first (i.e. cut, glue, paint), to realise if it's wrong or not. Mock- ups don't tell the whole story!
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on June 22, 2019, 08:46:09 AM
Saw this pic from 'Hauptwerkmesiter' on Insta and thought how cool it would be to customise a Köf like that for my abandoned siding!

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/78/7020-220619084537.png) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=78758)
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: ntpntpntp on June 22, 2019, 09:37:14 AM
Saw this pic from 'Hauptwerkmesiter' on Insta and thought how cool it would be to customise a Köf like that for my abandoned siding!

Yeah that would be an effective scene.   Maybe keep an eye out for a cheap dead one on ebay?

Some years ago I acquired  an Arnold one with no motor or gears. I presume it had suffered motor failure, I don't think it was sold as a static model.  It ended up strapped to a well wagon, after I'd seen a photo of a Köf being transported that way.

It's a Shame DelPrado didn't do one in their range of cheap static models. The DelPrados are perfect for weathering up as derelicts  :D
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on June 22, 2019, 09:48:10 AM

Yeah that would be an effective scene.   Maybe keep an eye out for a cheap dead one on ebay?


Evil minds think alike! Will keep eyes out  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: ntpntpntp on June 22, 2019, 10:29:53 AM
Here's mine on the well wagon. Hmm... it's a bit dusty, need to sort that out :-)

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/78/5885-220619102917.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=78765)


[edit]
Just looked it up on www.spurweite-n.de  (http://www.spurweite-n.de)    it was a special edition for 1990: 500 years Deutche Post. Definitely was motorised.

I wonder if maybe a Goldie Köf would be a cheap option? :-)
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on June 22, 2019, 11:53:36 AM
Here's mine on the well wagon. Hmm... it's a bit dusty, need to sort that out :-)


I wonder if maybe a Goldie Köf would be a cheap option? :-)

That's a nice little custom item Nick, nicely conceived.

Would a gold Köf respray easily? It might give the game away if a derelict loco on a forgotten siding appeared to be showing through bits of solid gold chassis underneath the flaking paint and corrosion  :smiley-laughing:
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on June 24, 2019, 02:07:26 PM
Vertical distribution

So it's getting around to time I can start thinking about the vertical track side details on my layout, more specifically: dummy catenary masts, some gantry mast lamps on the central sidings and then the dummy signals (which Nick has kindly planned for me).

Would any of you recommend a specific order to place these items in? I'm thinking of getting catenary in first as it's most numerous and needs to match right and left (I've got a scratch build solution) and then positioning any gantry lights next and then the signals last? :hmmm:
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: ntpntpntp on June 24, 2019, 04:13:59 PM
You're only fitting dummy catenary mast so it's not so bad.   I organise the catenary first because I have to ensure the straight lengths of wire sit correctly on the centre-line of the track.  One thing that annoys me is seeing curved wires!  I'd rather fit an extra pull-off mast even if that means I end up with more masts than I'd like, but of course the track curves are sharper than the real thing anyway so more masts are required.

Once the overhead is in place then I sort out the  signals, trying to ensure the sight line isn't obscured by a pesky catenary mast :-)

Yard lamps and stuff come last - after a lot of the scenery has been done.
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: ntpntpntp on June 24, 2019, 05:29:32 PM
So today two ex-Globibahn BR110s arrived at Bw Königshafen, and were propelled on-shed for overhaul with the intention of restoring both to full working order for future operation on the main line once more.

It looks like the BR78 steamer has come straight over from the Koblenz Summer Festival too  :D

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/78/5885-240619172709.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=78803)
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on June 24, 2019, 09:53:22 PM
So today two ex-Globibahn BR110s arrived at Bw Königshafen, and were propelled on-shed for overhaul with the intention of restoring both to full working order for future operation on the main line once more.

Fab Nick, good luck with them, glad they went ot a good home!

Cheers
Matt
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: ntpntpntp on June 24, 2019, 10:46:28 PM
Fab Nick, good luck with them, glad they went ot a good home!

Spent a pleasurable hour on them this evening, all sorted  :D   

The intermittent shorts were where you'd fitted those wire links, they were poking down underneath and shorting to the chassis block, especially on the blue/cream. I just re-flowed the joints and pushed the wire back up flush with the underside of the board.

I turned the blanking plates the other way up so the lights work  :doh:   It's not made clear in the service sheet which way up they go, so it's 50/50 chance  :D

Think I've tracked down the "squeak" in the red/cream, seems to have been the bogie frame pickups scraping on the wheels, so I've applied a tiny amount of Powerlube.  I may yet go back and re-bend those pickups slightly, but for now will see how it goes.

Main gears and worms given a small dose of my favoured PTFE grease.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/78/5885-240619224449.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=78806)


Both running smoothly and quietly round my test track now.   Well pleased with them, so thanks for letting them transfer to my fleet  :D
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on June 24, 2019, 10:54:44 PM

Spent a pleasurable hour on them this evening, all sorted  :D   

Both running smoothly and quietly round my test track now.   Well pleased with them, so thanks for letting them transfer to my fleet  :D

Excellent Nick, very happy those are mended and fully operational on Königshaffen!

My Fleischmann BR110 is running lovely with it's chip installed, so it worked out well all round. :thumbsup: :beers:
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on June 25, 2019, 08:17:46 AM
I actually cannot believe it, last night about midnight my new BR110 start developing the 'sudden surges' trait! I've tried it again this morning and it's doing the same thing a bit. I've given the loco wheels and the track a good clean, so I'll observe what happens. The loco has had about 40 minutes running time since it came fresh out the box.

The surginess happening suddenly late at night got me wondering about track power. Is it possible that the Roco 680801 booster for the Multimaus is at fault?

I bought it second hand on Ebay, think it came out a start set. I always thought it seemed incredibly light, flimsy and cheaply made.

I was thinking it may be time to invest in a Roco Z21? (although that costs the same a new loco, so it would be a sensible rather than joyous purchase)

Here's my existing box of tricks.
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/78/7020-250619080930.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=78809)

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/78/7020-250619081504.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=78811)

And here's the Z21 - 10820 booster which seems a lot more capable and robust. I could use my exisitng Multimaus handset. And it has a programming track output.
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/78/7020-250619081254.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=78810)

 :hmmm: :hmmm: :confused2:


Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: ntpntpntp on June 25, 2019, 08:54:55 AM
Your other locos don't do it?    You'd expect to see similar behaviour on all locos if it were a fault with the system itself and the track voltage were fluctuating.  What about when you have two locos following each other - still only the new BR110 surges?
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on June 25, 2019, 09:02:10 AM
Your other locos don't do it?    You'd expect to see similar behaviour on all locos if it were a fault with the system itself and the track voltage were fluctuating.  What about when you have two locos following each other - still only the new BR110 surges?

Well the BR101 started doing it last week, soI've sent it off to be looked at.

I'll turn my attention to testing my other 3 locos and see what's going on.

Matt
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: ntpntpntp on June 25, 2019, 11:05:35 AM
OK well that does start to point the finger at the system itself then?   I guess the conclusive proof would be to have two locos running together and see if they both surge in sync with each other?
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on June 25, 2019, 11:19:27 AM
OK well that does start to point the finger at the system itself then?   I guess the conclusive proof would be to have two locos running together and see if they both surge in sync with each other?

Ok this is so weird. I actually think there may be demons at work on any BR110 I own!

So I've done side by side tests, running locos beside each other one on inner, one on outer loop. Plus I've swapped loops too.

1st test: Fleischmann BR110 with ZimoMX616N = stutters occasionally | Fleischmann RE482 Cargo with Lenz/Flm chip = smooth
2nd test: Fleischmann BR110 with ZimoMX616N = stutters occasionally | Arnold OBB4061 with ZimoMX616N = smooth
3rd test: Fleischmann BR110 with ZimoMX616N = stutters occasionally | Fleischmann RTS with ZimoMX616N = smooth

I can't work it out, it's driving me mad!  ???
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on June 25, 2019, 07:04:44 PM
Just had an idea.

Is there any reason I shouldn't just temporarily convert the layout back to DC control, to test locos are working fine DC?

The only accesory on there is a DCC electornic point controlled by a Roco module, so I could just unplug that (reverting it to manual), unplug the DCC command centre and then hook up my basic DC controller.

At least that would prove once and for all if my issues are DCC ones.

Or I guess I could also just buy a large radius circle of track for DC testing locos, if this is likely to be a regular requirement for testing.
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: dannyboy on June 25, 2019, 07:32:27 PM
Nothing wrong with your proposal I don't think, but it is handy to have a testing track. Mine is an oval with a passing loop fastened to a piece of 4' x 2' MDF. Some members I believe have a test track in the shape of a figure of eight.
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: ntpntpntp on June 25, 2019, 07:34:22 PM
It should work fine reverting to DC.  The accessory decoder can probably stay connected, it should do nothing as it won't see a DCC signal addressing it.  Mind you, disconnecting it would remove it as a possible (though unlikely) source of the problem.
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on June 26, 2019, 11:37:16 AM
It should work fine reverting to DC.  The accessory decoder can probably stay connected, it should do nothing as it won't see a DCC signal addressing it.  Mind you, disconnecting it would remove it as a possible (though unlikely) source of the problem.

I've converted the layout back to DC (temporarily - sorry puritans  :D). All locos smooth as silk.

So my problems must be chip/CV/command centre based.

I was looking at getting the Digikeijs DR5000 and hooking to JMRI on my Mac so I can really tweak up CVs.  :hmmm:
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on June 27, 2019, 11:30:29 AM
This is interesting.

I've been having a play with my layout regressed bark to the dark ages of DC  :D.

My new Fleischmann BR110 works smoothly on DC. However it is very susceptible to corner drag when going around radii (R3 and R3A) with a rake of coaches. It will even just stop sometimes if it's come crawling off a straight at low speed. It's running with it's chip in rather than a blanking plug.

Is that normal? My other locos don't seem as affected. I've multimetered around the curves and current flow is consistant. :hmmm:
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: ntpntpntp on June 27, 2019, 11:50:13 AM
If you're trying to run slow you may be on the cusp of the decoder's "wake up voltage" - remember the chip needs around 6V ish to wake up and realise it's running on DC  If you're only just at that voltage it may be struggling, the additional load going round curves could be enough to drop the voltage a little bit and confuse it.
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: zwilnik on June 27, 2019, 11:50:38 AM
This is interesting.

I've been having a play with my layout regressed bark to the dark ages of DC  :D.

My new Fleischmann BR110 works smoothly on DC. However it is very susceptible to corner drag when going around radii (R3 and R3A) with a rake of coaches. It will even just stop sometimes if it's come crawling off a straight at low speed. It's running with it's chip in rather than a blanking plug.

Is that normal? My other locos don't seem as affected. I've multimetered around the curves and current flow is consistant. :hmmm:

Are the back to backs on the wheels ok? If they're a bit narrow the wheels on the inside might be getting light as you corner and they're pulled away from the rail.
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on June 28, 2019, 10:59:42 AM

Are the back to backs on the wheels ok? If they're a bit narrow the wheels on the inside might be getting light as you corner and they're pulled away from the rail.

Good point - I'll need to buy myself a gauge to test with!

Cheers
Matt
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on June 28, 2019, 11:03:53 AM
If you're trying to run slow you may be on the cusp of the decoder's "wake up voltage" - remember the chip needs around 6V ish to wake up and realise it's running on DC  If you're only just at that voltage it may be struggling, the additional load going round curves could be enough to drop the voltage a little bit and confuse it.

That could well be the problem.

Meanwhile, I've put the loco back to DCC and spent ages tweaking CVs. Fleischmann BR110 Loco is performing much better but not quite perfect yet. I can see I must find a way to start using JMRI Decoder Pro. I've been looking at Sprog II or getting the supplier to preconfig a Digikreis DR5000 so I can use it on a Mac.

I think the LAN port on Roco white z21s (another option I'm considering) is actually locked if you don't buy it with the full wireless kit - if so that's very annoying! (don't require wireless) :'(
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: ntpntpntp on June 28, 2019, 12:46:26 PM
SPROG is a great little bit of kit. I've used one for years (old serial port version). 
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on June 28, 2019, 12:48:20 PM
SPROG is a great little bit of kit. I've used one for years (old serial port version).

Fab! Did you use it with Decoder Pro?
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: ntpntpntp on June 28, 2019, 12:54:54 PM
SPROG is a great little bit of kit. I've used one for years (old serial port version).

Fab! Did you use it with Decoder Pro?

Yes.  I'd say the DecoderPro user interface is (or at least was) a bit geeky but does the job very well.  Being an IT developer geeky interfaces are not a problem :-)
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on June 29, 2019, 11:56:47 AM
Yes.  I'd say the DecoderPro user interface is (or at least was) a bit geeky but does the job very well.  Being an IT developer geeky interfaces are not a problem :-)

Geeky is fine!

By the way here is the decoder installation in the loco which is jumping about like a jack in the box. It just occured to me that the sandwiching of the chip components with the main PCB may be causing some kind of interference?

I should maybe try a different make of decoder.  :hmmm:

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/78/7020-290619115631.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=78972)
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: tutenkhamunsleeping on June 29, 2019, 12:25:21 PM
Zimo chips can give jumpy running if the thin pins are too loose a fit in the DCC socket.  In such cases, bending a very slight kink into each of the 6 pins often cures it :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on June 29, 2019, 12:32:01 PM
Zimo chips can give jumpy running if the thin pins are too loose a fit in the DCC socket.  In such cases, bending a very slight kink into each of the 6 pins often cures it :thumbsup:

Funny you should say that, that's already been done to the chip (when it was in another loco being serviced)!

I've tried it with a 'straight pin' chip and a different 'pins with kink' chip - still no joy.
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on June 29, 2019, 07:38:47 PM
I've done some spray painting of my 'Portier' bar and also finished the signal box level crossing ramps. I've learned to wait for painted areas to cure a few days before putting masking on top - as had a bit of peel off when doing the station. Live and learn!

There's going to be a modern art sculpture in between the main station building and the bar. Not quite sure which one yet - something Bauhaus-ish.

Still need to gravel the roof of the Portier bar and some additional painting.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/78/7020-290619193535.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=78977)

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/78/7020-290619193552.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=78978)
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: swisstrains on June 30, 2019, 10:16:10 AM
Hi Matt. In the last few years I've had a number of Fleischmann locos that have started to run erratically after only a short period of use. My first reaction was to check that none of Fleischmanns often excessive lubrication had contaminated the motor or pickups but on closer inspection it turned out to be carbon dust from the brushes. I think they must have had a batch of "softer" brushes because the amount of dust was much greater than I would have expected for the length of time the loco had been running. In all cases cleaning out the dust resulted in smooth running again. Up to now I haven't had to repeat the exercise with any of the offending locos so the excessive carbon dust could either be the result of the brushes "bedding in" or the material hardens with use. Just a thought.
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on June 30, 2019, 01:58:58 PM
Hi Matt. In the last few years I've had a number of Fleischmann locos that have started to run erratically after only a short period of use. My first reaction was to check that none of Fleischmanns often excessive lubrication had contaminated the motor or pickups but on closer inspection it turned out to be carbon dust from the brushes. I think they must have had a batch of "softer" brushes because the amount of dust was much greater than I would have expected for the length of time the loco had been running. In all cases cleaning out the dust resulted in smooth running again. Up to now I haven't had to repeat the exercise with any of the offending locos so the excessive carbon dust could either be the result of the brushes "bedding in" or the material hardens with use. Just a thought.

Hi John,

That's really intersting and would well make sense, especially with the scenario I've had with it being fine for initial run-in period. I'm sending it back to the supplier to give it an expert once-over so we'll see if he discovers any carbon build up.

Cheers
Matt
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: ntpntpntp on June 30, 2019, 02:07:51 PM
Very rare that a build up of a little carbon brush dust causes any problems, it's a natural part of the motor running and just something to clean out during regular servicing.  However if the brushes are defective and/or if lubrication gets onto the commutator as John says, that's when you'll find the motor may not run as it should. Commutator segments get clogged with conductive gunk upsetting the motor poles. Fortunately with the traditional Fleischmann motor it's easy to clean out.  Shouldn't have to do it with a new loco though.
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on June 30, 2019, 07:53:26 PM
Very rare that a build up of a little carbon brush dust causes any problems, it's a natural part of the motor running and just something to clean out during regular servicing. Shouldn't have to do it with a new loco though.

Ok, well we'll see wha the shop say when they take a look. It is a mystery at any rate!  :confused2:
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on June 30, 2019, 07:58:43 PM
After several reported near misses, the Globibahn H&S committee are insisting that proper safety equipment be installed on my rail crossings. First I tried distracting them from the topic with tea and scones, and when that didn't work I tried to fire them (apparently that's not allowed under some act or other). :D

But it seems that it really cannot be avoided any longer. So I've started planning exactly what needs to be done. Lots of road marking and red and white-striping to be done - at least the little people will be safe!

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/79/7020-300619195720.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=79012)
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: GScaleBruce on June 30, 2019, 08:51:54 PM
Hi Matt. In the last few years I've had a number of Fleischmann locos that have started to run erratically after only a short period of use. My first reaction was to check that none of Fleischmanns often excessive lubrication had contaminated the motor or pickups but on closer inspection it turned out to be carbon dust from the brushes. I think they must have had a batch of "softer" brushes because the amount of dust was much greater than I would have expected for the length of time the loco had been running. In all cases cleaning out the dust resulted in smooth running again. Up to now I haven't had to repeat the exercise with any of the offending locos so the excessive carbon dust could either be the result of the brushes "bedding in" or the material hardens with use. Just a thought.
Interesting, thank you for those observations! Both my Fleischmann BR23 and my BR50, bought within short order of each other, exhibited that characteristic. I ended up buying a new motor for the BR23 (as an indirect consequence of a failed repair attempt involving my BR38 and accidently damaging that motor, but that's another story), which solved the problem. Repeated cleaning sorted the BR50, although recently it's been playing up again. I'm not a fan of Fleischmann's 3 pole motor, which they continue to fit to older locomotives (probably won't affect the Globibahn!), including the new BR86 tank engine - looks great, waddles like a duck and is about as controllable as their other 3 pole offerings. My Minitrix locomotives, by contrast, purr along...
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on July 01, 2019, 09:33:57 AM
New arrival on the Globibahn this morning, a true racing thorough-bred! I've wanted one of these for about 27 years! :D

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/79/7020-010719093245.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=79044)
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on July 02, 2019, 08:32:42 PM
Removing the masking to reveal the road markings. Bit of touch in done with a small brush. Job's a good'un!


(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/79/7020-020719203155.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=79123)


(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/79/7020-020719203222.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=79124)
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on July 03, 2019, 03:27:09 PM
Here's a couple of new pics...

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/79/7020-030719152430.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=79131)

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/79/7020-030719152447.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=79132)
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: dannyboy on July 03, 2019, 03:31:26 PM
The road crossing is looking good.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on July 04, 2019, 09:30:05 AM
The road crossing is looking good.  :thumbsup:

Thank you, need to add the barriers etc. of course!  :thumbsup: :beers:
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on July 07, 2019, 05:28:18 PM
I'm making pine trees again - the first thing I did for my layout!

I need lots more baby ones.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/79/7020-070719172809.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=79239)
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: ntpntpntp on July 07, 2019, 05:33:09 PM
A little something for inspiration.   All sorts of shots, including Swiss RhB with lots of trees :-)

Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on July 08, 2019, 10:29:02 AM
A little something for inspiration.   All sorts of shots, including Swiss RhB with lots of trees :-)

Excellent vid - yes lots of fir trees!!! :D
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on July 09, 2019, 12:03:50 PM
I've been fantasising over how a future "Neue Globibahn" might be designed. I'd need to put some more furniture on the bonfire to accomodate it!!!

Would a concept like this work - the idea is three sections which can be taken apart for transport?

I'm imagining that you can't have angled or curved track crossing section joins.

I've not curved the platforms as I prefer straight platforms where possible.

Another option might be to have the whole lot set on a slight angle as with my current layout, not sure again if that's possible with a baseboard thats in sections.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/79/7020-090719120107.png) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=79280)
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: dannyboy on July 09, 2019, 12:09:29 PM
I like the second version.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: ntpntpntp on July 09, 2019, 01:27:00 PM
I've been fantasising over how a future "Neue Globibahn" might be designed. I'd need to put some more furniture on the bonfire to accomodate it!!!

do it!!

Quote
I'm imagining that you can't have angled or curved track crossing section joins.

Yes you can as long as your boards have accurate alignment (eg. use pattern maker's dowels), and decent nuts/bolts which tie the boards together nice and flat without any humps and bumps.  The rails need to be properly secured to the board edges and then cut (I solder the rail to brass screws).

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/76/5885-230419120010.jpeg)

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Another option might be to have the whole lot set on a slight angle as with my current layout, not sure again if that's possible with a baseboard thats in sections.


(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/79/7020-090719120107.png) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=79280)

I think the second suggestion is a slightly nicer looking arrangement. I know some folk on here have a real bee in their bonnets about not having tracks parallel to the front of the layout :-)

One thing I would suggest is arrange the fiddle yard tracks in a ladder / parallelogram formation so that all the lines are the same length (more obvious on the "red fiddleyard" in the photo below). I find that much more useful than having to restrict your longest train to only one line, especially if you have any sort of passing loop on the scenic side which might let you change the order of the trains running round the line.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/79/5885-090719132315.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=79284)
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on July 09, 2019, 01:47:09 PM

do it!!


LOL yes I'll have to!

I like the ladder arrangement for storage yard, that makes better sense. Good to know I can have angled track, that makes it easier to make some non-linear track arrangements - yes I'll be very careful in designing the alignment elements so it flush and exact as possible.

There's quite a lot of carpentry, might need to do that over in mum's garage this time and bring the bits back to the flat.

Cheers
Matt

Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on July 12, 2019, 11:24:04 AM
Anybody tried lights like this from China? They're certainly cheaper than Viessmann!

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/LQS56N-3pcs-Model-Railway-lights-Lattice-Mast-lamp-Track-light-N-Scale-Layout/233271538339?epid=8025987065&hash=item36501132a3:g:s4wAAOSw8XBZr6VL]
[url]https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/LQS56N-3pcs-Model-Railway-lights-Lattice-Mast-lamp-Track-light-N-Scale-Layout/233271538339?epid=8025987065&hash=item36501132a3:g:s4wAAOSw8XBZr6VL (http://[url)[/url]
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: ntpntpntp on July 12, 2019, 01:06:51 PM
They do look like near clones of other manufacturer's items.  £14 for 3 seems worth a try.
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: retica on July 13, 2019, 09:06:51 AM
You get 5 on AliExpress   ;)

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32819000588.html?spm=2114.search0604.3.8.18cc35ad7dyVnd&ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0%2Csearchweb201602_5_10065_10068_10547_319_10059_10884_317_10548_10887_10696_321_322_10084_453_10083_454_10103_10618_10307_537_536%2Csearchweb201603_53%2CppcSwitch_0&algo_expid=76deb50a-7031-4d82-893f-6ea54c08dd9d-1&algo_pvid=76deb50a-7031-4d82-893f-6ea54c08dd9d&transAbTest=ae803_4 (https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32819000588.html?spm=2114.search0604.3.8.18cc35ad7dyVnd&ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0%2Csearchweb201602_5_10065_10068_10547_319_10059_10884_317_10548_10887_10696_321_322_10084_453_10083_454_10103_10618_10307_537_536%2Csearchweb201603_53%2CppcSwitch_0&algo_expid=76deb50a-7031-4d82-893f-6ea54c08dd9d-1&algo_pvid=76deb50a-7031-4d82-893f-6ea54c08dd9d&transAbTest=ae803_4)

steve
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on July 13, 2019, 09:33:18 AM
They do look like near clones of other manufacturer's items.  £14 for 3 seems worth a try.

That's what I thought, worth a shot!
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on July 13, 2019, 09:34:39 AM
You get 5 on AliExpress   ;)

steve

Cheers Steve, those look like OO gauge however!

Matt
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: retica on July 13, 2019, 10:33:46 PM
Cheers Steve, those look like OO gauge however!

Matt

 sorry  :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[

steve
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on July 13, 2019, 11:01:36 PM
Cheers Steve, those look like OO gauge however!

Matt

 sorry  :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[

steve

Lol no worries!!!!! :D
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on July 16, 2019, 07:38:01 PM
I've completed the gravel roof on my bar/bistro.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/79/7020-160719193704.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=79604)

Most the work this past week has been tree production - the layout just swallows them up!
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on July 18, 2019, 10:32:17 AM
Two IC trains posing!

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/79/7020-180719103208.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=79631)
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: RicardoFig on July 18, 2019, 11:10:04 AM
Lovely photo!  :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

The Land Rover is just  :heart2:.

Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: swisstrains on July 18, 2019, 02:37:04 PM
Hi Matt,
I know that generally you like to scratchbuild your structures but when I saw this house on the DM Toys website I immediately thought of you ;)
https://www.en.dm-toys.de/produktdetails/items/MU_N-H00172.html (https://www.en.dm-toys.de/produktdetails/items/MU_N-H00172.html)
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on July 18, 2019, 03:36:14 PM
Lovely photo!  :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

The Land Rover is just  :heart2:.

Thank you!

The Land Rover was an impulse purchase I made at an exhibition- very glad I did!

Cheers
Matt
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on July 18, 2019, 03:37:14 PM
Hi Matt,
I know that generally you like to scratchbuild your structures but when I saw this house on the DM Toys website I immediately thought of you ;)
https://www.en.dm-toys.de/produktdetails/items/MU_N-H00172.html (https://www.en.dm-toys.de/produktdetails/items/MU_N-H00172.html)

Hi John

That's a very cool Bauhaus building - yes you're spot on!

Matt  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: ntpntpntp on July 18, 2019, 05:57:07 PM
All the best layouts have a Land Rover   :D

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/79/5885-180719175641.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=79642)
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: swisstrains on July 18, 2019, 08:33:08 PM
All the best layouts have a Land Rover   :D

They certainly do  :D

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/79/193-180719202718.jpeg)
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/79/193-180719202805.jpeg)
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on July 19, 2019, 01:38:22 PM

They certainly do  :D


Nice Series 1s!

Will have to get another and do a light blue respray.  :hmmm:
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on July 19, 2019, 01:40:31 PM
Level Crossing accesories being made finally...


(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/79/7020-190719134025.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=79666)
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on July 19, 2019, 02:24:47 PM
Hang on a sec..... if we all have Land Rovers on our layouts, rather than Mercedes G-Wagons, does that mean our layouts are actually British, without our realising it?!  :hmmm::D
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on July 19, 2019, 04:35:49 PM
Test fitting the first barrier. Probably a little over scale, but they'll do!

Next is base coat spray painting and then red and whiting.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/79/7020-190719163531.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=79667)
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: swisstrains on July 19, 2019, 08:34:58 PM
Hang on a sec..... if we all have Land Rovers on our layouts, rather than Mercedes G-Wagons, does that mean our layouts are actually British, without our realising it?!  :hmmm::D

Nah, If you look closely you will see that mine is left hand drive. :)
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on July 19, 2019, 09:53:00 PM
Hang on a sec..... if we all have Land Rovers on our layouts, rather than Mercedes G-Wagons, does that mean our layouts are actually British, without our realising it?!  :hmmm::D

Nah, If you look closely you will see that mine is left hand drive. :)

LOL - more concerningly the tax disc is overdue.... :D
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: swisstrains on July 20, 2019, 09:17:26 AM
Test fitting the first barrier. Probably a little over scale, but they'll do!

Next is base coat spray painting and then red and whiting.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/79/7020-190719163531.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=79667)


Great start Matt. Will the Globibahn electronics engineers be using their newly found skills to create some flashing lights for the crossing? I know how much you like lights on your layout.
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on July 20, 2019, 12:40:31 PM

Great start Matt. Will the Globibahn electronics engineers be using their newly found skills to create some flashing lights for the crossing? I know how much you like lights on your layout.

Thanks John,

That's a great idea - I'll certainly pass it on to the Globibahn electronics engineers! :D

Meanwhile, I was getting bugged by the barriers being overscale. So these have now been re-done with thick wire rather than cocktail sticks.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/79/7020-200719124006.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=79680)
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: swisstrains on July 20, 2019, 09:54:35 PM

Great start Matt. Will the Globibahn electronics engineers be using their newly found skills to create some flashing lights for the crossing? I know how much you like lights on your layout.
...…………………………..
Meanwhile, I was getting bugged by the barriers being overscale. So these have now been re-done with thick wire rather than cocktail sticks.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/79/7020-200719124006.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=79680)


Yes Matt, I agree.
Although I thought the originals were OK, these do look better. Less chunky. :thumbsup:

Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on July 20, 2019, 10:55:10 PM

Yes Matt, I agree.
Although I thought the originals were OK, these do look better. Less chunky. :thumbsup:

Cheers John! I've started painting them now, hopefully improving them further.

I have to say, I can't believe how tricky it is doing the level crossing. Especially as it's on a tight curve its really tricky getting the holes for positioniong the barriers right - and these have to be lined up with road markings etc.

It's been plenty to keep me occupied!
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on July 21, 2019, 03:47:48 PM
The barriers have been in the Globibahn spray shop...

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/79/7020-210719154729.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=79717)
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on July 22, 2019, 12:39:39 PM
Test positioning the first barrier...

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/79/7020-220719123916.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=79761)
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: weave on July 24, 2019, 11:39:36 PM
Hi Matt,

Bit late to the Land Rover party but thought us 'continental' folk should stick together as we are few but strong....

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48367979012_41f006774b_k.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2gG7x3C)20190724_220305 (https://flic.kr/p/2gG7x3C) by Christopher Weaver (https://www.flickr.com/photos/163968319@N02/), on Flickr

A few Spanish wines and the picture looks better  ;)

Loving your layout. Keep up the good work.

Cheers weave  :beers:
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on July 27, 2019, 09:04:43 PM

Loving your layout. Keep up the good work.


Thanks Weave, it's ticking along ok!

LOL I'm surprised by how many MK1s seem to have sneaked onto people's layouts! They seem as popular in model form as in they are in real life.

Cheers
Matt
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on July 28, 2019, 09:44:45 AM
A bit more progress here. Finay got hte crossing barriers in place, just need to tidy up around the bases. Then it's lights, 'Andreas Kreuzen' warning crosses and some more road markings to put in.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/79/7020-280719094137.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=79978)

Carl MT has kindly provided me with some of his 3D printed catenary masts to try out. These look really good IMO and it's the way I'll go with the layout. Colour-wise I've sprayed these Tamiya base coat grey for simplicity, as it's a fictional railway (maybe it's Lichtenstein??? :D). I won't be putting any wire or thread in so I'm going to space the masts prototypicaly quite far apart around the bends. To install the masts I've scrapped back down to baseboard and used cyano to glue plasticard foundations in place and then cyano again to stick the mast bases to the plasticard. The masts sit tightly in slots in the bases.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/79/7020-280719094206.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=79979)
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: swisstrains on July 28, 2019, 10:15:18 AM
It's really coming together now Matt. :thumbsup: It's these small (but time consuming) details that make all the difference.

…………. as it's a fictional railway (maybe it's Lichtenstein??? :D).

Or Globistein  :D  Why not invent your own country? A small Duchy somewhere between Switzerland and Germany where classic DB locos are still in use but more modern locos from neighbouring countries enjoy running rights. :hmmm:
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on July 28, 2019, 10:31:29 AM
It's really coming together now Matt. :thumbsup: It's these small (but time consuming) details that make all the difference.

…………. as it's a fictional railway (maybe it's Lichtenstein??? :D).

Or Globistein  :D  Why not invent your own country? A small Duchy somewhere between Switzerland and Germany where classic DB locos are still in use but more modern locos from neighbouring countries enjoy running rights. :hmmm:

Thanks John!  :)

It was very challenging to get those level crossing barriers lined up - it's trying to align everything correctly in 3D space by eye that's so tricky. Took a few tries!

Really nice idea with the fictional Duchy, that's the way I'll go! Will need a coat of arms I should think  :D
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on July 28, 2019, 04:42:02 PM
A few new trees also added to the layout.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/79/7020-280719164419.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=79996)
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on July 28, 2019, 04:56:04 PM
Here's how it looked on Xmas day - all that plywood baseboard!!  :D

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/79/7020-280719165527.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=79997)
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: carlmt on July 28, 2019, 07:38:03 PM
A bit more progress here. Finay got hte crossing barriers in place, just need to tidy up around the bases. Then it's lights, 'Andreas Kreuzen' warning crosses and some more road markings to put in.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/79/7020-280719094137.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=79978)

Gscale Bruce    :no: :no: :no:has kindly provided me with some of his 3D printed catenary masts to try out. These look really good IMO and it's the way I'll go with the layout. Colour-wise I've sprayed these Tamiya base coat grey for simplicity, as it's a fictional railway (maybe it's Lichtenstein??? :D). I won't be putting any wire or thread in so I'm going to space the masts prototypicaly quite far apart around the bends. To install the masts I've scrapped back down to baseboard and used cyano to glue plasticard foundations in place and then cyano again to stick the mast bases to the plasticard. The masts sit tightly in slots in the bases.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/79/7020-280719094206.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=79979)

Looking good Matt  :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Will be doing a printing session this week so will get the next 20 masts to you very soon now  :beers: :beers:

Carl  :wave: :wave:
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on July 28, 2019, 07:50:35 PM

Looking good Matt  :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Will be doing a printing session this week so will get the next 20 masts to you very soon now  :beers: :beers:

Carl  :wave: :wave:

Cheers Carl - so sorry I put the wrong name in! :-[ Brain not operating! Ammended now.
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: carlmt on July 28, 2019, 08:03:56 PM
Ha ha  :laughabovepost: :laughabovepost:

No worries Matt - it has been a warm week  :beers: :beers: :beers:
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: GScaleBruce on July 30, 2019, 09:40:41 PM
Yup, definitely not me, I was nowhere near the Globibahn at the time  :worried: but still enjoying the updates.
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on August 03, 2019, 03:31:28 PM
Here's an N Gauge Forum member trying to park at Globibahn Hauptbahnhof, only to find the markings are being painted! :D

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/80/7020-030819153112.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=80158)
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: ntpntpntp on August 03, 2019, 03:57:55 PM
Maybe you need to put some cones out?! :D

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/80/5885-030819155613.jpeg) 
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on August 03, 2019, 06:16:43 PM
Maybe you need to put some cones out?! :D


LOL if only I had some Nick  :laughabovepost: :D
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on August 04, 2019, 04:22:56 PM
Parking lines finished.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/80/7020-040819162126.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=80205)

And crossing with catenary added.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/80/7020-040819162210.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=80206)
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: dannyboy on August 04, 2019, 04:24:40 PM
Looking good.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on August 04, 2019, 04:44:01 PM
Looking good.  :thumbsup:

Cheers Dannyboy! :)
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on August 04, 2019, 04:45:14 PM
The first run of catenary masts is in. Cheers for supplying them Carl!  :thumbsup:  8)

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/80/7020-040819164500.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=80207)
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: ntpntpntp on August 04, 2019, 06:42:21 PM
Looks like your catenary masts have two different lengths of registration arm (just like the old Vollmer masts I use)?    When placing masts round curves then you should place the long arm masts on the inside of the curve and the short arms on the outside.

I know you're not planning to fit actual wires, but if you were then you'd find the masts would always set the wires toward the outside of the curve so that the straight sections of wire in between are toward the inside of the curve at their mid-point.

For straight track you would alternate between short and long registration arms to create a ziz-zag in the wire.

Look at the top left diagram on this image:
(https://www.moba-paffenholz.de/downloads/hobbex-eng1.jpg)
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on August 04, 2019, 07:16:18 PM
Looks like your catenary masts have two different lengths of registration arm (just like the old Vollmer masts I use)?

Ooops well noticed. Yes I've been zig-zagging around the curves as if they were straights. I had literally no idea about what you've just told me!

The masts are just PVA'ed into the bases (which are superglued), so it will be simple to change.

Thanks for pointing this out. :beers:

Matt
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on August 13, 2019, 09:38:07 AM
Back form hols and pleasantly surprised to find my mast lights have arrived in from China - that didn't take very long at all!

They look good - pretty sturdy plastic. Just need to test functionality. May paint them too.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/80/7020-130819093736.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=80417)

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/80/7020-130819093758.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=80418)
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: swisstrains on August 13, 2019, 10:04:16 AM
Welcome home Matt. Hope you had a good holiday.
The lights look good. I particularly like the fine latticework :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on August 13, 2019, 05:23:57 PM
Welcome home Matt. Hope you had a good holiday.
The lights look good. I particularly like the fine latticework :thumbsup:

Cheers John, yes it was a grand camping/festival holiday - bit wet and windy here and there but no matter! Helpful to have some time away from the layout and trains too methinks.

Looking forward to figuring out the electriconics with these lamps - once more into the fray with my trusty soldering iron at the ready! First mystery is why they have three wires? (I definitely know that Nick will not jump in here and tell me!) :D :smiley-laughing:

Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: ntpntpntp on August 13, 2019, 06:15:57 PM
First mystery is why they have three wires? (I definitely know that Nick will not jump in here and tell me!) :D :smiley-laughing:

Oh alright then, I won't  :D

Two LEDs with a common return I guess.  How many resistors come with each mast?  If one per mast then fit resistor in the common lead and join the two live leads together (they'll hopefully have calculated the values based on twice the current flow), otherwise if two per mast fit resistor to the positive leads. 

I usually try a higher value resistor anyway, to avoid such lights being too bright.
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on August 13, 2019, 07:34:52 PM

Oh alright then, I won't  :D


 :laughabovepost:

Thanks Nick. They have sent enough resitors for one per lamp. No idea what their value of resistance is, as not written on them. Looks like I'll be joining the live wires together then.

I agree with you, I don't want strong lights. Where would I get higher value resitors?

Cheers
Matt
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: themadhippy on August 13, 2019, 08:01:23 PM
Quote
No idea what their value of resistance is, as not written on them

yea it is,just they use an ancient set of hieroglyphic called the colour code,if you look at the resistors theres  colour bands on the body of the resistor,use the table below to decode the value.
(http://www.resistorguide.com/pictures/resistor_color_codes_chart.png)
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: ntpntpntp on August 13, 2019, 08:07:35 PM

Thanks Nick. They have sent enough resitors for one per lamp. No idea what their value of resistance is, as not written on them. Looks like I'll be joining the live wires together then.

Resistors are colour coded.     There loads of websites that can help you decode or encode the colours. 
[edit] @themadhippy (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=4863) posted the same chart I was going to suggest :-)


Quite often you'll find something like a 1K (1000 Ohms) resistor supplied with things like this if intended for a supply of 12V ish.

Post a clear close-up piccie on here if you're still not sure and someone on here can decode it for you, or better still use a multimeter
 and measure them yourself - you DO have a multimeter don't you? :-)    They won't necessarily measure exactly what the coding says due to the tolerance in manufacture, but will be close.

Quote

I agree with you, I don't want strong lights. Where would I get higher value resistors?

Cheers
Matt

Resistors are not expensive and are easy to find on ebay, also from electronic component suppliers eg. RS Components and several others.    In the old days I've have suggested your local Maplin, shame they went under (I notice an online presence has resurfaced but seems to be more geared towards consumer electronics than components)

You might want to consider a pack with a range of values so you have various values to play with, although you may end up with some you're never likely to use!  This kind of thing:
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Resistors-Metal-Film-300-Pack-10-each-30-values-1-4w-1-Kit-Assortment-Mix-UK/111148362636?hash=item19e0f56b8c:g:4dIAAOxyiRlSa-nO (https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Resistors-Metal-Film-300-Pack-10-each-30-values-1-4w-1-Kit-Assortment-Mix-UK/111148362636?hash=item19e0f56b8c:g:4dIAAOxyiRlSa-nO)
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on August 14, 2019, 08:51:53 AM
Quote
No idea what their value of resistance is, as not written on them

yea it is,just they use an ancient set of hieroglyphic called the colour code,if you look at the resistors theres  colour bands on the body of the resistor,use the table below to decode the value.
([url]http://www.resistorguide.com/pictures/resistor_color_codes_chart.png[/url])


Thank you, I never knew that!!!
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: ntpntpntp on August 14, 2019, 09:03:49 AM
I little tip:  when I have determined the value of the resistors I write the value on the little sticky strip, for future reference.   

Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on August 14, 2019, 09:12:07 AM
I little tip:  when I have determined the value of the resistors I write the value on the little sticky strip, for future reference.

Great Nick thank you for your advice, I'll report back when I've had a play!!

Matt
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on August 14, 2019, 04:27:23 PM
You're correct about the two LED's with a common return Nick.

Which wire do I solder the resistor to though -is is the joined together red leads or the black common return? :hmmm:

There are some details on the Ebay page here:
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/LQS56N-3pcs-Model-Railway-lights-Lattice-Mast-lamp-Track-light-N-Scale-Layout/233271538339?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649 (https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/LQS56N-3pcs-Model-Railway-lights-Lattice-Mast-lamp-Track-light-N-Scale-Layout/233271538339?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649)

Can I just join it up to the 12V DC connector on my Gaugemaster combi controller?
http://www.gaugemaster.com/item_details.asp?code=GMC-COMBI (http://www.gaugemaster.com/item_details.asp?code=GMC-COMBI)
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: ntpntpntp on August 14, 2019, 05:19:37 PM
You're correct about the two LED's with a common return Nick.

Which wire do I solder the resistor to though -is is the joined together red leads or the black common return? :hmmm:

It doesn't matter one bit, it will work just the same either side of the LEDs.    I'd connect the resistor to the common wire just so you're not fiddling with winding two thin wires around the resistor's leg  :D

Yes you can connect to your 12V DC, just remember if they don't light up you've probably got the polarity the wrong way round!
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: ntpntpntp on August 14, 2019, 05:23:21 PM
Just ordered myself a set to try  :D
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on August 15, 2019, 07:12:05 AM
Just ordered myself a set to try  :D

Brilliant Nick! Were you maybe thinking of using them for your BBW? :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on August 15, 2019, 07:31:46 AM
Does anybody else occasionally gloat over HO models? I do but I don't have any way of running them - they would have to sit on display if I got any!
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: BlythPower on August 15, 2019, 08:40:28 AM
I've lost track of the number of times I've looked at an H0 model and thought 'I wish they did that in N...'.  :'(
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: swisstrains on August 15, 2019, 09:52:59 AM
Just ordered myself a set to try  :D

Brilliant Nick! Were you maybe thinking of using them for your BBW? :thumbsup:

I think it's Bw Matt.
BBW is something completely different.   :o :D
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on August 15, 2019, 10:36:59 AM
I think it's Bw Matt.
BBW is something completely different.   :o :D

Yikes - and I thought I was a man of the world!!!!!!!!! :-[
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: dannyboy on August 15, 2019, 10:41:43 AM
I have just googled BBW ...............  :o :-[
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: ntpntpntp on August 15, 2019, 01:18:02 PM
I have just googled BBW ...............  :o :-[

hehe, I used to refer to my depot as a Bbw (Bahnbetreibswerk) but now I use Bw.  It seems that's how they're named and known these days

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_locomotive_depots_in_Germany (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_locomotive_depots_in_Germany)
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: ntpntpntp on August 15, 2019, 01:23:26 PM
Does anybody else occasionally gloat over HO models? I do but I don't have any way of running them - they would have to sit on display if I got any!

I have a few  :D 

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/80/5885-050819232414.jpeg)

When my lad was a youngster he had a Hornby set of course, so I used to run them on that.  That stuff's not been out of the cupboard for a few years now, I think he's keeping it for his own kids  :thumbsup:


Mind you, that's nothing compared to some of the other trains in the house   :D

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/78/5885-120619085845.jpeg)
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on August 15, 2019, 01:59:19 PM
I have just googled BBW ...............  :o :-[

History > Clear Recent History  :D
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on August 15, 2019, 02:01:39 PM

Mind you, that's nothing compared to some of the other trains in the house   :D

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/78/5885-120619085845.jpeg)

Crumbs - a small shed and a big shed!!!! :laughabovepost:
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on August 18, 2019, 10:17:58 AM
Must admit my mind is being blown somewhat with how to tackle layout lighting. There seem to be so many aspects to consider: the buildings, the mast lights etc.

Also because I don't know the brightness levels yet I'm not sure how to space the lights and how many I need exactly. And my masts need to fit in around the catenary masts (which aren't all up yet).

I also need to build some form of canopy for the far side platform, which I imagine would need under-lighting ( as does the main station building canopy).

Then there's the option of having switches to operate various sets of lights. I might draw up a plan to try to get my head around it. ???
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: swisstrains on August 18, 2019, 10:40:19 AM
A plan is always a good idea Matt. You will crack it.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: RicardoFig on August 18, 2019, 01:07:30 PM
Thank you on the update about the masts.   :thumbsup:

I was tempted to order some as soon as you mentioned them, but as I look for your real photos, and after this image:

https://www.facebook.com/Junsfotowork/photos/a.354987861237092/2382811415121383/?type=3&theater (https://www.facebook.com/Junsfotowork/photos/a.354987861237092/2382811415121383/?type=3&theater)


I will order a couple today.  :D
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on August 18, 2019, 01:27:26 PM
Looks like your catenary masts have two different lengths of registration arm (just like the old Vollmer masts I use)?    When placing masts round curves then you should place the long arm masts on the inside of the curve and the short arms on the outside.

Oh no - I've just re-done these - but redone them the wrong way around so all long arms are on the outside!!!  :-[ :doh:
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: carlmt on August 18, 2019, 04:46:54 PM
Looks like your catenary masts have two different lengths of registration arm (just like the old Vollmer masts I use)?    When placing masts round curves then you should place the long arm masts on the inside of the curve and the short arms on the outside.

Oh no - I've just re-done these - but redone them the wrong way around so all long arms are on the outside!!!  :-[ :doh:

Oops!!!! Gently try to prise them back out.  If any break, give me a shout.

Just to let you know, the next 20 are currently printing (sorry it has taken so long - I have been laid low with a back injury this past couple of weeks) so should be with you by the end of the week  :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Carl
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on August 18, 2019, 05:31:22 PM

Oops!!!! Gently try to prise them back out.  If any break, give me a shout.

Just to let you know, the next 20 are currently printing (sorry it has taken so long - I have been laid low with a back injury this past couple of weeks) so should be with you by the end of the week  :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Carl

Thanks Carl! Actually they are quite robust, I've popped them in and out a number of times with no problem. I've found it best to superglue the bases but just PVA the masts to the base.

I've just installed in what is (hopefully) their final position!

Ouch, hope that back gets better!!

Matt
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on August 21, 2019, 09:53:49 AM
Must admit, I've had a couple of days of demotivation re. modelling on the layout. I think it's because when you start a layout there are all sorts of grand exciting plans and lots of unknowns, but when the big work has been accomplished (e.g. major landscaping/track laying) the excitement factor and 'beginner's enthusiasm' seems to go down a lot.

That doesn't mean there isn't still a lot to do however, so must grit teeth and knuckle down.

I've taken the plunge and cut in the semi-faux underpass entrances, so my little passengers can actually get to the far side platform. I'll need to model the steps, guard fences and the interior faces of the entrances (which are brickwork).

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/80/7020-210819095005.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=80696)

Also, I've now corrected all the catenary once again, so now short register arms are on the outer curve!

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/80/7020-210819095101.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=80697)
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: swisstrains on August 21, 2019, 10:28:38 AM
Must admit, I've had a couple of days of demotivation re. modelling on the layout. I think it's because when you start a layout there are all sorts of grand exciting plans and lots of unknowns, but when the big work has been accomplished (e.g. major landscaping/track laying) the excitement factor and 'beginner's enthusiasm' seems to go down a lot.

That doesn't mean there isn't still a lot to do however, so must grit teeth and knuckle down.



I know exactly what you mean Matt. I think we have all been there at some stage but whatever you do try not to regard working on your layout as a chore. If you think that is happening, have a break and do something completely different. The interest will come back again.

What you have done in such a short space of time is a credit to you especially when you consider that much of your infrastructure is scratch-built. Many modellers, myself included, would have taken the easy option and used kits. Keep up the good work Matt. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on August 21, 2019, 11:09:22 AM

I know exactly what you mean Matt. I think we have all been there at some stage but whatever you do try not to regard working on your layout as a chore. If you think that is happening, have a break and do something completely different. The interest will come back again.

What you have done in such a short space of time is a credit to you especially when you consider that much of your infrastructure is scratch-built. Many modellers, myself included, would have taken the easy option and used kits. Keep up the good work Matt. :thumbsup:

Thanks for the kind words John, you have a very understanding perspective! I think you are right, a short break to mentally 'regroup' may well be in order. :beers: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on August 21, 2019, 06:16:00 PM
BR E 03 - she's quite a gal!

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/80/7020-210819181542.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=80707)
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: ntpntpntp on August 21, 2019, 06:40:50 PM
Mine are relegated to lesser duties these days, when they do appear

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/80/5885-210819184018.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=80708)
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on August 21, 2019, 06:44:59 PM
Mine are relegated to lesser duties these days, when they do appear

How the mighty are fallen! :'( :D
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Kokuma on August 21, 2019, 07:23:49 PM
I've just spent a good hour and a half reading through this whole thread, I shall soon be embarking on my layout and this has taught me so much already.

Fantastic, cant wait to continue following the progress.  :beers:
Title: Re: Living Room 1:160 DB Layout
Post by: Globibahn on August 21, 2019, 09:31:46 PM
I've just spent a good hour and a half reading through this whole thread, I shall soon be embarking on my layout and this has taught me so much already.

Fantastic, cant wait to continue following the progress.  :beers:

Thanks Kokuma, glad you found it interesting. It's been so much help to have the input of all the guys on this forum - the layout would be nowhere near as successful without their input!!! Good luck with your build! :thumbsup: