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Title: Contemporary NW (Wigan Wallgate and North Western)
Post by: jpendle on November 23, 2017, 07:26:00 PM
OK

The first phase of the plan is done. So now I have the task of getting something up and running by December 21st!!

First some essentials:

A workbench with a kettle!

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/58/3871-231117184508.jpeg)


A fridge for milk and, who knows, maybe some adult beverages, as the Americans would say.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/58/3871-231117184553.jpeg)


Then I need to get all this tidied up and on to shelves and out of the way

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/58/3871-231117184654.jpeg)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/58/3871-231117184820.jpeg)


I plan on re-using my baseboard frames, but not necessarily the MDF boards themselves.

All the points and will be salvaged for re-use. The track will be put to use when the fiddle yards are built. All the new track will be Peco Code 55 Concrete.

All points are long radius Electrofrog with Tortoise Point motors.

DCC control with a Z21 and NCE Switch 8's for point control. Frog Juicers will be used for crossings and any reverse loops. (I know there aren't any reverse loops in the plan yet).

I'm looking at alternative baseboard surface material instead of MDF. There are some, fairly rigid, insulation sheets that look like they might work. They can be cut with a Stanley knife and don't break up like polystyrene. I have bought a small piece to work with. The main question is how much support is needed and do they take screws to mount point motors.

It's Thanksgiving today, so I have a long weekend to work on this,

Next tasks, apart from tidying up, are to get an inventory of existing points and motors and then order what I need from Hattons or local suppliers (for the Tortoises).

I also need a heater and I got one on order at Amazon that should be here tomorrow. The shop is well insulated and when I'm lugging things around It's warm enough, but to do detailed work with gloves on wouldn't be a good idea!

Hattons are my cheapest source for Peco track, even when shipping to the US.

I am very lucky in that my wife bought me an HP T120 large format printer as an early Christmas present, so I can print my plan out from Scarm 1:1 on sheets up to 6'x2'.
This cost $700 reduced from $1200! I looked at printing out my plan at Fedex Office and they charge $0.40 per square foot. My plan needs 400 sq ft on 4' x 2' paper. So to print it once would cost $160, I would also have to print it from PDF rather than from Scarm. So if I print this 4 times I've got my money back. In addition it's a colour printer so backscenes come to mind as well!

The downside is there aren't any trains on my list this year!

I don't need any more rolling stock, let's face it, we never NEED rolling stock, but it would be nice if the Elves at Santa's workshop can get everyone's Pendolino's delivered!

But if they can't they'll look just as good in the New Year. (Thanks Ben and Mike)

And I still need a proper name for the layout.

Regards,

John P

Title: Re: Contemporary NW (Wigan Wallgate and North Western)
Post by: Train Waiting on November 23, 2017, 07:35:10 PM
That looks very impressive, John.

I know the location fairly well, having attended many meetings in Wigan in my time.  I look forward with interest to see your plans become reality.

Happy Thanksgiving.

John
Title: Re: Contemporary NW (Wigan Wallgate and North Western)
Post by: jpendle on December 03, 2017, 06:37:17 PM
The Thanksgiving weekend ended up being very busy so not a lot was done.

I have managed to tidy up and start to clear space. I also experimented with some XPS to see if it would hold a point motor in place and it seems to be fine.

So after tidying I printed out some of my plan from Scarm 1:! and laid it out

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/58/3871-031217044336.jpeg)

It looked so big that I had to put some track on it to convince myself that it was still N Gauge.

Once the plans were in position, I started to remove my old baseboards from their frames and set the frames out to take the new baseboard tops.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/58/3871-031217044547.jpeg)

I still have 2 or three more frames to salvage and after that it's off to town to purchase sheets of 8' x 4' XPS plus more timber.

Oh, and in case you have seen the plan in the layout planning section, here it is again.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/58/3871-201117204613.jpeg)

Regards,

John P
Title: Re: Contemporary NW (Wigan Wallgate and North Western)
Post by: Branchie on December 03, 2017, 07:33:32 PM
Wow!

Looks like a great start. What era will it be?
Title: Re: Contemporary NW (Wigan Wallgate and North Western)
Post by: jpendle on December 03, 2017, 08:51:53 PM
I hate to point out the obvious, but it does say contemporary in the title.   :D :D :D :D :D

So Pendolino's, CL350's, CL319's, 66's, etc,etc,etc.

Regards,

John P
Title: Re: Contemporary NW (Wigan Wallgate and North Western)
Post by: jpendle on December 10, 2017, 10:14:47 PM
Significant progress has been made over the last 2 weeks.

First I got all my existing baseboards stripped down so that the frames could be re-used

I then built one more frame which completes the baseboard structure for the scenic section of te layout.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/59/3871-101217193211.jpeg)

As there is so much room in the workshop, and as I have no intention of moving the layout, this last frame was built as 8' x 2' rather than two 4' x 2' sections.

Next XPS baseboard material was laid down temporarily and the plan was then laid on top of the boards.

XPS

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/59/3871-101217193429.jpeg)

Looking 'north'

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/59/3871-101217193525.jpeg)

Looking 'south'

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/59/3871-101217193614.jpeg)

Once I'd done this it was obvious that everything was missaligned compared to the master plan so I spent some time moving the baseboards around so that everything lined up properly.

Next task is to secure all the baseboards in place and then start the 'superstructure' which will support the elevated sections of the layout (which is all of the WCML through Wigan).

I now have 10 days until the Grandkids arrive, so I've decided to use up some of my accrued vacation time and take the rest of the year off ;D I already had 2 weeks booked, so that's just one more week.

Will trains be running by Christmas?

Watch this space!

Regards,

John P

Title: Re: Contemporary NW (Wigan Wallgate and North Western)
Post by: Pjlons83 on December 10, 2017, 10:20:37 PM
Nothing like a deadline to motivate you! Great way to spend a few weeks holiday! Good luck!
Title: Re: Contemporary NW (Wigan Wallgate and North Western)
Post by: njee20 on December 11, 2017, 08:37:16 AM
Taking annual leave in the US?! Surely not!

Looks awesome, looking forward to watching it develop!
Title: Re: Contemporary NW (Wigan Wallgate and North Western)
Post by: cornish yorkie on December 11, 2017, 08:26:02 PM
 :hellosign: Excellent progress, good luck with the deadline
     regards Derek.
Title: Re: Contemporary NW (Wigan Wallgate and North Western)
Post by: jpendle on December 13, 2017, 04:15:28 AM
Made some good progress today.

Made a start on the upper level for Wigan North Western.

I decided to use a Woodland Scenics glue gun. The gun and glue are low temp for bonding foam, so I thought it would be good on the XPS.

The first riser was held in place and to a slight curve immediately, so I went pretty fast. BUT, the glue needs time to heat up and I found that trying to deposit too much glue too quickly caused the glue to set before I had a chance to place the next riser. Anyway, lesson learned I forced myself to go a little slower between sections to allow the glue
to flow properly.

First put in the incline from Wallgate

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/59/3871-131217022132.jpeg)

Then started the Upper Level.

First I used 1" risers to support the upper level.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/59/3871-131217022256.jpeg)

The single 2" riser will form an embankment.

Then added another piece of 1" inch thick XPS.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/59/3871-131217022423.jpeg)

At this point I ran out of 1" risers so I decided to play around mounting a Tortoise point motor.

I'm wondering if this will work, I'll find out tomorrow!

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/59/3871-131217023004.jpeg)

BTW sorry for the blur on some of my photos.

Regards,

John P
Title: Re: Contemporary NW (Wigan Wallgate and North Western)
Post by: jpendle on December 14, 2017, 02:58:46 AM
Not much visible progress today as I have spent most of my time searching for stuff.

I found my soldering iron and all my adhesives. Lots of screwdrivers and craft knives, and even my press punch. But I can't find my pin vice or the drill bits that go in it. I use this for drilling holes in track so that it can be pinned down before it is ballasted.

If any of you have seen my pin vice, please let me know!!

I was able to prove out that my point motor would work being mounted flush, I now need to assemble a short length of track at either end, wire it up and make sure a loco runs over it without problems.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/59/3871-141217025014.jpeg)

I also salvaged some 2" risers from my old layout and was able to complete more of the embankment north of North Western.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/59/3871-141217025106.jpeg)

Tomorrow its back to the shops to buy some Plaster bandage and more 1" risers. I already have plaster bandage, but it's just one more thing that I can't find.

Regards,

John P

Title: Re: Contemporary NW (Wigan Wallgate and North Western)
Post by: Newportnobby on December 14, 2017, 11:07:55 AM
I bet everything is in that 'safe place', John.
Have you checked all 'man drawers'? (where all the old mobile phones, fuses, batteries, keys to Lord knows what etc are retained)
Title: Re: Contemporary NW (Wigan Wallgate and North Western)
Post by: jpendle on December 16, 2017, 03:10:44 AM
Pin vice was found for $9.99 at local Hobby shop.

Anyway, more progress to report.

First much needed refreshment was delivered by those kind people at Amazon.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/59/3871-161217025422.jpeg)

Suitably refreshed, I then excavated the upper boards to make room for the Wallgate over bridge. (Wallgate is the name of the street as well as one of the stations)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/59/3871-161217025506.jpeg)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/59/3871-161217025545.jpeg)

Then I formed the embankment north of North Western using strips of balsa set at an angle.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/59/3871-161217025630.jpeg)

Plaster bandage was added.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/59/3871-161217025721.jpeg)

And then the lot was given a coat of brown primer

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/59/3871-161217025804.jpeg)

Finally I was also able to finish off the incline out of Wallgate station with plaster bandage.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/59/3871-161217025850.jpeg)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/59/3871-161217025933.jpeg)

In real life there is no embankment just a slow rise in the ground level.

I also discovered that the solvent in the primer I am using eats the XPS foam board if too much is used!

Over the weekend I'll finish priming the incline and get cracking on laying track.

This will be quite slow as I plan on adding dropper wires first to any pieces of flex track used, within reason.

By Sunday I might even have a loco doing a test run.

Regards,

John P

Title: Re: Contemporary NW (Wigan Wallgate and North Western)
Post by: Bealman on December 16, 2017, 04:02:55 AM
Just took my first look at this. A very impressive project indeed.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Contemporary NW (Wigan Wallgate and North Western)
Post by: Innovationgame on December 16, 2017, 07:41:00 AM
Incredible progress.  You are really steaming along!
Title: Re: Contemporary NW (Wigan Wallgate and North Western)
Post by: Ben A on December 16, 2017, 11:45:54 AM

Hi John,

Great project!  Thanks for posting. Do you have a track plan for the whole thing? 

Cheers

Ben A.
Title: Re: Contemporary NW (Wigan Wallgate and North Western)
Post by: jpendle on December 16, 2017, 04:02:58 PM
Thanks all.

Ben, the track plan is at the beginning of the post. Thereís  also a couple of entries in the layout planning section.

Oh and with any luck Iíll have track laid before my Pendolinos arrive.

Regards,

John P
Title: Re: Contemporary NW (Wigan Wallgate and North Western)
Post by: jpendle on December 18, 2017, 03:47:51 AM
Track laying commenced today.

First spent a couple of hours looking for my wire strippers.

Once they were found I started laying track only to realise that yet again all of my plans were missaligned.

I started again with my track drawings lined up at the south end of the layout and pinned everything down as I moved north.

Once this was done I was able to get my first piece of flex track and my first point and point motor in position.

More track and one more point with motor followed. All flex track is having holes pre-drilled for track pins and 2 wires soldered to the bottom of the rails. All points get 3 holes drilled, the spring removed (for slow action),plus one wire added to the frog, for polarity switching. In my experience Peco points with the spring removed don't conduct very well.

BTW all track is Code 55, and all points are Electrofrog with Tortoise point motors. Insulating rail joiners are used on all point rails except for those at the toe end.

Both the point motors installed have been tested and they work. Tomorrow, after adding a bit more track, I'll be wiring up my Z21 and trying out a loco to make sure that all the track is smooth.

Here's few pictures.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/59/3871-181217033236.jpeg)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/59/3871-181217033315.jpeg)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/59/3871-181217033349.jpeg)

The first point motor got repositioned about 3 times so it's in a hole which is too big, later on I'll be packing it out a little and adding some balsa or plastic card to cover the enormous hole, currently hidden under the paper plan.

I now have 3.5 days until the grandchildren arrive.

Regards,

John
Title: Re: Contemporary NW (Wigan Wallgate and North Western)
Post by: njee20 on December 18, 2017, 07:01:22 AM
Looks good. Nice sweeping curves. Tempted to do any sort of superelevation? I just put strips of 1mmcard under mine, subtle, but it works.
Title: Re: Contemporary NW (Wigan Wallgate and North Western)
Post by: Ben A on December 18, 2017, 10:16:54 AM
Ben, the track plan is at the beginning of the post. Thereís  also a couple of entries in the layout planning section.

Oh and with any luck Iíll have track laid before my Pendolinos arrive.

Regards,

John P

D'oh - not sure how I missed that!  Interesting concept and as others have said, some lovely graceful curves...

Progress looking good - Pendolinos will look great sweeping through there!

Cheers

Ben A.
Title: Re: Contemporary NW (Wigan Wallgate and North Western)
Post by: jpendle on December 18, 2017, 02:31:55 PM
Looks good. Nice sweeping curves. Tempted to do any sort of superelevation? I just put strips of 1mmcard under mine, subtle, but it works.

Yes I did plan on superelevation and then promptly forgot about it.

Thanks for the reminder.

John P
Title: Re: Contemporary NW (Wigan Wallgate and North Western)
Post by: cornish yorkie on December 18, 2017, 09:07:29 PM
 :hellosign: Thanks for the updates John, your off to a great start
        regards Derek.
Title: Re: Contemporary NW (Wigan Wallgate and North Western)
Post by: jpendle on December 19, 2017, 03:00:28 AM
A little more progress today

4 more points were added and a little more track.

I refined my technique for soldering to track and to point vees.

I also worked a little more on fitting the point motors.

Hereís the cutout. I cut two rebates to support the tortoise.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/59/3871-191217024421.jpeg)

Hereís the mess under the baseboards.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/59/3871-191217024511.jpeg)

This is the piercing saw used to make the cuts

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/59/3871-191217024616.jpeg)

Hereís the latest track work

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/59/3871-191217024714.jpeg)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/59/3871-191217024813.jpeg)

Regards,

John P

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/59/3871-191217024511.jpeg)
Title: Re: Contemporary NW (Wigan Wallgate and North Western)
Post by: Newportnobby on December 19, 2017, 09:48:33 AM
Good grief! Those tortoises are monstrous :goggleeyes: Are you sure they're not turtles?
Title: Re: Contemporary NW (Wigan Wallgate and North Western)
Post by: tutenkhamunsleeping on December 19, 2017, 12:54:23 PM
Good grief! Those tortoises are monstrous :goggleeyes: Are you sure they're not turtles?

Great A'Tuin?

Still the best point motors on the market, as far as my money is concerned :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Contemporary NW (Wigan Wallgate and North Western)
Post by: jpendle on December 19, 2017, 02:34:37 PM
Tortoises are pretty big so you have to plan carefully when you add them to a complex area of point work. But they can be offset either side of the track and turned around, so there is generally a way to get things done.

Normally they are mounted under the baseboard, so you can't see them. Mine will be covered before I start on ballasting.

Regards,

John P
Title: Re: Contemporary NW (Wigan Wallgate and North Western)
Post by: njee20 on December 19, 2017, 06:53:32 PM
How do you fit them if you have a lot close together? Surely the footprint they need is prohibitive?
Title: Re: Contemporary NW (Wigan Wallgate and North Western)
Post by: port perran on December 19, 2017, 07:06:51 PM
So...Iím new to these tortoise point motors.
They are now in place but exactly how do I wire these up?

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/59/230-191217190618.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=59489)
Title: Re: Contemporary NW (Wigan Wallgate and North Western)
Post by: jpendle on December 19, 2017, 08:00:35 PM
How do you fit them if you have a lot close together? Surely the footprint they need is prohibitive?

They aren't mounted directly underneath the point, they are offset to one side, they also be used with the body of the tortoise behind the point, or in front of it. There is also the provision to offset the wire even more as they are guided through a small plastic part that has 3 holes for the wire, on in the middle and the other two to either side.

For a ladder of points in a fiddle yard there's no issue. I also used them on a single slip on my old layout.

Like I said, with a bit of thought you can arrange them to fit almost anywhere.

I expect that they wouldn't be quite as useful for a 'Z' Gauge fiddle yard.

Regards,

John P
Title: Re: Contemporary NW (Wigan Wallgate and North Western)
Post by: jpendle on December 19, 2017, 08:01:38 PM
So...Iím new to point motors.
They are now in place but exactly how do I wire these up?

([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/59/230-191217190618.jpeg[/url]) ([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=59489[/url])


I could explain, but those animal rights people would be after me again!!

John P
Title: Re: Contemporary NW (Wigan Wallgate and North Western)
Post by: njee20 on December 19, 2017, 08:12:28 PM
For a ladder of points in a fiddle yard there's no issue. I also used them on a single slip on my old layout.

Was thinking more of parallel tracks with crossovers, I found it hard to fit all my servos in on a 4-track line with a few consecutive or parallel crossovers, but sounds like theyíre probably sufficiently versatile you can make it work.
Title: Re: Contemporary NW (Wigan Wallgate and North Western)
Post by: jpendle on December 20, 2017, 02:33:39 AM
Good progress today as I had all morning to concentrate on trains.

Got the North end of North Western finished apart from one headshunt, and got as far as making a start on the bay platforms before I finished for the day.

I ran out of insulating joiners, so I salvaged quite a few from the old layout to keep me going until my next goodie bag arrives from Hattons.

Here's a few pictures.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/59/3871-201217022355.jpeg)

Eventually more of the XPS shown above will be cut away and a road overbridge slid underneath the tracks.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/59/3871-201217022442.jpeg)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/59/3871-201217022516.jpeg)

Just 1.5 days to get trains running.

Regards,

John P
Title: Re: Contemporary NW (Wigan Wallgate and North Western)
Post by: jpendle on December 21, 2017, 03:34:30 AM
So just half a day left to get some teains running.

Hereís the latest track work.

Bay platform tracks in place.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/59/3871-211217032750.jpeg)

Almost done with the southern station approach tracks

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/59/3871-211217032830.jpeg)

Regards,

John P
Title: Re: Contemporary NW (Wigan Wallgate and North Western)
Post by: jpendle on December 22, 2017, 06:57:45 PM
Trains are running for my grandson!!!!

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/59/3871-221217185517.jpeg)

OK so I cheated.

This one is fun as well.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/59/3871-221217185130.jpeg)

Merry Christmas everyone.

John P
Title: Re: Contemporary NW (Wigan Wallgate and North Western)
Post by: jpendle on January 21, 2018, 11:49:51 PM
Finally managed to get back to the shop this weekend.

There was far too much other stuff to do, mainly playing with the grandkids toys, and my sons new drone, to get anything done over Christmas.

Today I made a lot of progress with the tracks down to Wallgate.

Hereís some pics.

Junction with WCML
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/60/3871-210118233035.jpeg)

Tracks heading under Wallgate.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/60/3871-210118233250.jpeg)

Tracks through station area

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/60/3871-210118233336.jpeg)

Regards,

John P





Title: Re: Contemporary NW (Wigan Wallgate and North Western)
Post by: jpendle on February 07, 2018, 03:26:18 AM
I have finally got around to finishing all the trackwork on the scenic section.

Here are a few pictures.

Wallgate Bay platform

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/61/3871-060218023302.jpeg)

Looking towards Kirby/Southport

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/61/3871-060218023411.jpeg)

A little more work done on the WCML so that a bridge deck can be put in place. Once that is done I can make a start on superelevating the curve here.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/61/3871-060218023539.jpeg)

Of course now I've got to this stage I have realised that some key features are missing.

First there is no way for Wigan bound trains to access the bay at Wallgate as there is no crossover. In real life there is a crossover on the Kriby line just West of the WCML bridge and after the junction with the Southport line. I'm just going to add a crossover.

At North Western there is a similar issue with the bay platforms and the pointwork allowing trDDown slowains to leave the WCML and access the old L&Y at Wallgate.
Currently the only access is from the Up slow line (ie towards London). This correct as the ladder crossing which gets trains from the down slow across the fast lines and to the Up slow is much further south. I assume that this ladder was originally used by the Liverpool Wigan trains which used to terminate in the bay. Nowadays after some resignalling these trains terminate at Platform 6 which is on the down slow line, thus avoiding crossing the main line.

I have just looked closer and there is also a burrowing junction just south of Springs branch which freights can use.

There is one freight path, which is a binliner from Wilton to the Knowsley Freight terminal, which is a spur off the Kirkby line.

These trains run through Man Oxford Rd, and then on the Old L&M as far as Parkside Junction where they join the WCML and then cross over to take the line through Wallgate to Kirkby.

So I also need to add the provision for freights to get across the main line to access the line to Kirkby.

But before I do that I plan on doing some extensive test running, on the track already laid. Next tasks are to wire up all the power feeds and to get some locos running.

Once I'm happy with all the track then more baseboards can be constructed to give me a continuous run and a fiddle yard.

Regards,

John P

Title: Re: Contemporary NW (Wigan Wallgate and North Western)
Post by: keithbythe sea on February 07, 2018, 07:59:20 AM
Just caught up with is thread. Very impressive space John and cracking pace with progress to date. You will have a lot of scenery to create, need a very big terraforming team!  :thankyousign:
Title: Re: Contemporary NW (Wigan Wallgate and North Western)
Post by: Train Waiting on February 07, 2018, 08:39:35 AM
This is looking fabulous, John.  I have travelled to Wigan (on business!) on many occasions and this is all starting to look very familiar.  I have used both stations, but, mostly, North Western.

All best wishes.

John
Title: Re: Contemporary NW (Wigan Wallgate and North Western)
Post by: njee20 on February 07, 2018, 09:28:36 AM
Looking good John - did you get any answers on your junction layout question on RMWeb?

Not sure if you're familiar with Raildar, but it has some fairly user friendly diagrams which at least show direction, and some annotation on fast/slow lines: Here (http://raildar.co.uk/map/WGN), also shows where all the passenger trains are.
Title: Re: Contemporary NW (Wigan Wallgate and North Western)
Post by: jpendle on February 07, 2018, 02:55:05 PM
I got loads of useful info from the various train drivers on RMWEB. The sectional appendix is the business. It makes modelling a real location much easier.
I haven't tried Raildar yet but there is another website they recommended called opentraintimes, which looks pretty good.

Thanks,

John P
Title: Re: Contemporary NW (Wigan Wallgate and North Western)
Post by: jpendle on February 07, 2018, 03:08:09 PM
These websites are the business!!!

Looking at the Wigan section of the opentraintimes map showed 660Y approaching Wallgate from the Hindley line.

Hurrah! The Wilton binliner is now using the Man Vic to Atherton line to get to Wallgate rather than the old L&M and then the WCML.

I wonder if driver route learning was the issue, because AFAIK there have been no freights on the old L&Y main between Manchester and Wigan for a number of years.

Regards,

John P
Title: Re: Contemporary NW (Wigan Wallgate and North Western)
Post by: jpendle on February 26, 2018, 07:35:19 PM
Testing has started!

It's been a bit cold here recently so a second heater had been installed in the shed.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/62/3871-260218193156.jpeg)

I've wired up[ my Z21 and tested out some track with 2 loco's.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/62/3871-260218155256.jpeg)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/62/3871-260218155335.jpeg)

I'm going to slowly work round all the track sections and point motors to ensure that everything is working well. After that I'll need more baseboards to put in a continuous run plus storage sidings.

Regards,

John P
Title: Re: Contemporary NW (Wigan Wallgate and North Western)
Post by: jpendle on March 03, 2018, 03:03:18 AM
Got an hour in the shop today.

Wired up my first point to an NCE Switch 8 and got it working. Used the Tortoise switch to switch the polarity of the frog.

I also tested out my 2 new Cl68ís on DC, and they are superb.

Finally I added some storage sidings to my plan, these will be added once Iíve finished testing the app existing track.

Hereís the revised plan

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/62/3871-030318025142.jpeg)

Regards,

John P
Title: Re: Contemporary NW (Wigan Wallgate and North Western)
Post by: Bealman on March 03, 2018, 03:19:28 AM
A mammoth project which is coming along splendidly.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Contemporary NW (Wigan Wallgate and North Western)
Post by: amsie on March 03, 2018, 12:17:18 PM
wow that trackwork looks impressive. 
Title: Re: Contemporary NW (Wigan Wallgate and North Western)
Post by: jpendle on March 04, 2018, 11:56:55 PM
Thanks Amsie.

Even though it feels like more than enough space to do anything I have found that using Scarm is a real benefit.

I decided to have 20 storage loops with the smallest one 6 foot long. This did not fit by a long way! I redid the plan with 16 loops and got it to fit in the available space.

Today I wired up to more track sections and ran a test train. I came across 2 issues. The first was that one of my conducting rail joiners had slid under the rail which caused a wagion to derail.

I also found an uneven piece of trackwork which caused my TEA tanks to come uncoupled. I also managed to break a wire when I fixed these issues.

Anyway by being slow and methodical I hope to get excellent running once this beast is complete, it's easier to fix things now rather than after ballast and scenery have been added.

Regards,

John P
Title: Re: Contemporary NW (Wigan Wallgate and North Western)
Post by: Geoff on March 05, 2018, 05:25:30 AM
Nice work John just jealous of the space you have.

I shall follow this thread with respect.
Title: Re: Contemporary NW (Wigan Wallgate and North Western)
Post by: jpendle on March 26, 2018, 12:21:08 AM
Just got back from 2 weeks in sunny Manchester, our third grandchild was born on March 9th!

Managed to get some train time and was able to ride the Parliamentary service from Reddish South to Stalybridge.

We also acquired a Ďrealí camera courtesy of our banks credit card points scheme, so hopefully picture quality will improve.

This weekend I finished wiring up the points and track at the north end of Wigan NW. There are a couple of rough spots to file down (excess solder).

I also received 2 Zimo Next18 chips for my 68ís.

Next task is to wire the south side of NW before wiring up Wallgate.

Regards,

John P
Title: Re: Contemporary NW (Wigan Wallgate and North Western)
Post by: jpendle on March 31, 2018, 02:40:18 AM
I decided to get serious about my track laying. This means making sure my Megafrets run well even when unloaded. So far they can be pulled and propelled on my Up main line without any issues. But I do need to get a loop of track done so that I can run them a little faster.

Hereís some pics

CL56 with Megafrets

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/63/3871-310318021758.jpeg)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/63/3871-310318021643.jpeg)

Full size plans for loop and fiddle yards

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/63/3871-310318021616.jpeg)

More to follow as I should have plenty of time over the Easter weekend.

Regards,

John P

Title: Re: Contemporary NW (Wigan Wallgate and North Western)
Post by: jpendle on April 02, 2018, 04:50:31 AM
I got a new baseboard built today. This one is 8ft x 1ft, amd it may need a little more bracing of the legs.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/63/3871-020418013144.jpeg)

I also laid out some of my plans on top of my last piece of XPS. I spent a good hour getting my maths hopelessly wrong, until I realised that if each sheet of my plan is 2' wide then sheet number 5 starts 8' from the left hand wall of the shed, not 10'!

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/63/3871-020418013215.jpeg)

Next week should be a quiet work week so I'll be getting more timber and building more baseboards.

Regards,

John P

Title: Re: Contemporary NW (Wigan Wallgate and North Western)
Post by: njee20 on April 02, 2018, 07:20:12 AM
At risk of highlighting something rather too late - have you considered a Ďparallelogramí shaped fiddle yard, having the exit at the opposite side to the entrance, rather than a Ďdiamondí with a through route and diverging sidings? Your outer most roads are obviously pretty short, a parallelogram does reduce your longest siding length, but means theyíre all very similar length.

Looking great though, no mean feat to get Megafrets to run smoothly unloaded, theyíre just so light!
Title: Re: Contemporary NW (Wigan Wallgate and North Western)
Post by: jpendle on April 02, 2018, 05:31:33 PM
Plans are made to be changed.

I have thought about a parallelogram fiddle yard(s). I'm undecided as I want to minimize the number of turnouts on my main running lines, so I may stick to my 'trapezoid' scheme.

Regards,

John P
Title: Re: Contemporary NW (Wigan Wallgate and North Western)
Post by: jpendle on April 09, 2018, 01:03:14 AM
Managed a bit more time in the shed this weekend.

Finished off the first new baseboard and levelled it out to the old ones.

Put my plans back and cut them to a better size.

This is where the old baseboard meets the new one, my plan is slightly out of kilter, but that is easily fixed.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/64/3871-090418005742.jpeg)

Then its down the new baseboard to where it curves away to what will be the fiddle yards.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/64/3871-090418005716.jpeg)

The crossovers are to allow trains that terminate in the yards to change direction on the main.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/64/3871-090418005649.jpeg)

I'm going to try to get all the baseboards done for this side of the layout before I lay much more track.

Regards,

John P

Title: Re: Contemporary NW (Wigan Wallgate and North Western)
Post by: jpendle on April 14, 2018, 11:38:55 PM
So today, I decided to price up my 18 road fiddle yard.

9 pounds per point, 11 per Tortoise motor. I printed a parts list from Scarm and luckily I over estimated the number of points needed. For example Scarm said 25 Small Radius LH points but actually I 'only' need 17! Even so I will need 42 points and motors which is 840 quid!!!, not counting any additional track. I do have around 8 short radius points on hand plus plenty of track from my previous layout but still that's going to hurt!

I suspect my fiddle yard will be completed in stages, with the running lines plus perhaps 4 sidings as this will minimise my initial outlay.

Regards,

John P

Title: Re: Contemporary NW (Wigan Wallgate and North Western)
Post by: RailGooner on April 14, 2018, 11:56:38 PM
..
 840 quid!!!, not counting any additional track.
...

 :sweat:
Title: Re: Contemporary NW (Wigan Wallgate and North Western)
Post by: Newportnobby on April 15, 2018, 09:39:14 AM
Even so I will need 42 points and motors which is 840 quid!!!, not counting any additional track.

Might be worth looking into a Nelevator ;D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kAPD5bakW5o (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kAPD5bakW5o)
Title: Re: Contemporary NW (Wigan Wallgate and North Western)
Post by: Bealman on April 15, 2018, 09:50:41 AM
Makes the classic single track GWR terminus to fiddle yard seem inviting!  ;)
Title: Re: Contemporary NW (Wigan Wallgate and North Western)
Post by: jpendle on April 15, 2018, 03:36:30 PM
So far Iíve got away with using and reusing points and track from my previous layout. I had unused points for a proposed extension and plenty of Tortoise motors.

I have around a dozen small radius points from my previous layoutís storage yard. But after that its going to get expensive.

At least the other scenic section, which doesnít exist yet, will have less points, even if I do go ahead with a compressed 6 track line based around Springs Branch!

I think Iíll have to review insurance on the shed contents before much longer.

Regards,

John P
Title: Re: Contemporary NW (Wigan Wallgate and North Western)
Post by: jpendle on April 18, 2018, 12:25:31 AM
Got done early with work today, I should have watered the new trees we planted over the weekend but it is far too windy.

So off to the train shed to get some baseboard construction done.

I have built a new 8'x2' section and needed to add the baseboard top and then line it up, as it is at an angle to its adjacent board.

For the baseboard surface I used 1" XPS again, for those of you outside the US, this is used for wall insulation, I can get an 8' x 4' 1 inch thick sheet for around $20.

This is what it looks like in the shop (albeit already snapped in two)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/64/3871-180418001451.jpeg)

The real thing is twice as wide.

The same piece mounted upside down on the frame.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/64/3871-180418000747-643251790.jpeg)

The start of the storage yards laid out on the new board

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/64/3871-180418000743-642862039.jpeg)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/64/3871-180418000743-642861266.jpeg)

I then cut up a piece of XPS to join up the embankment out of Wigan NW to the new base boards. I cut out a section so that my Woodland Scenics risers would fit snugly.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/64/3871-180418000745-64323184.jpeg)

And finally put the plans back on top

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/64/3871-180418000746-64324126.jpeg)

I then spent an hour salvaging (finding) my old fiddle yard track and points so that they can be re-used.

I need to get some 2" wide balsa to finish off my embankment. I can then cover it with plaster bandage and get started on some serious track laying.

I'll be super-elevating the tracks around the curve, and I need to put together a bridge kit for where the main line crosses over the old L&YR to Southport/Kirkby.

The BIG question remains, can I build a layout faster than either Rapido or Revolution can dispatch parcels? I have a City of Brum on order direct from Revolution as well as my original order from Rapido.

Regards,

John P





Title: Re: Contemporary NW (Wigan Wallgate and North Western)
Post by: njee20 on April 18, 2018, 07:32:59 AM
Whichever gets there first itíll look great with trains sweeping around those curves!
Title: Re: Contemporary NW (Wigan Wallgate and North Western)
Post by: Bealman on April 18, 2018, 07:35:57 AM
Are they going to be superelevated?
Title: Re: Contemporary NW (Wigan Wallgate and North Western)
Post by: njee20 on April 18, 2018, 08:29:15 AM
2 posts ago... ;)

I'll be super-elevating the tracks around the curve, and I need to put together a bridge kit for where the main line crosses over the old L&YR to Southport/Kirkby.
Title: Re: Contemporary NW (Wigan Wallgate and North Western)
Post by: jpendle on April 20, 2018, 01:05:10 AM
Today I put together a KS Laser Designs bridge. This is a model of one at Manchester Oxford Rd, so it is relatively contemporary to the bridge over the L&Y at Wigan, I have a second kit which I'm going to bash to create the bridge over Wallgate (street).

Here it is

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/64/3871-200418004754-64368514.jpeg)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/64/3871-200418004751-64365781.jpeg)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/64/3871-200418004756-64369711.jpeg)

There isn't quite enough clearance for the L&YR tracks so I'll be curving them under the bridge, rather than having them straight as currently seen

I then finished up the embankment.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/64/3871-200418004750-643381042.jpeg)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/64/3871-200418004751-643662360.jpeg)

I thought about priming the bridge, but that would obscure the detail of the brickwork, etc. I'll try some washes of acrylic paint to see how that turns out.

Regards,

John P
Title: Re: Contemporary NW (Wigan Wallgate and North Western)
Post by: Innovationgame on April 20, 2018, 07:41:36 AM
The bridge looks really good.
Title: Re: Contemporary NW (Wigan Wallgate and North Western)
Post by: jpendle on April 20, 2018, 02:40:20 PM
The bridge looks really good.

I hope I donít ruin it with paint!!!

John P
Title: Re: Contemporary NW (Wigan Wallgate and North Western)
Post by: jpendle on April 20, 2018, 11:27:49 PM
I got the embankment finished today with my first attempt at superelevation.

I created the superelevation using 1/32" balsa, for the track base, which I then packed on one side with another thin strip of 1/32 balsa.

The effect may be exaggerated, but I can always pack up the other side to reduce the cant, if necessary.

I would appreciate people's criticism on the curves, as I would like to do it 'right'.

Here's the down line with a wagon for perspective

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/64/3871-200418231529-643911660.jpeg)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/64/3871-200418231528-643902207.jpeg)

And a very blurred close up showing the worst,steepest cant.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/64/3871-200418231531-64392272.jpeg)

Here's the up line under construction.

First the strips of balsa to create the cant.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/64/3871-200418231532-643931988.jpeg)

More balsa is then used to create a canted track bed and the track laid on top.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/64/3871-200418231527-643891075.jpeg)

I the laid conventional curved track on the approach to the storage yard crossovers.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/64/3871-200418231524-643774.jpeg)

Over the weekend I have one more long radius point to salvage off my old layout, then I'll clean up all 4 points and lay them, not forgetting the tortoise motors underneath.

After that I can make a start on the storage yards proper.

Regards,

John P
Title: Re: Contemporary NW (Wigan Wallgate and North Western)
Post by: Innovationgame on April 21, 2018, 06:31:08 AM
The curves look fine.  The embankment is a bit steep but I think we all need to compress things a bit to get everything into a model.
Title: Re: Contemporary NW (Wigan Wallgate and North Western)
Post by: jpendle on April 23, 2018, 02:39:00 AM
Over the weekend I started to install the crossovers that will allow trains to cross from up to down and vice versa as they enter or exit the storage yards heading from the north end of Wigan NW.

I thought I'd show some detail on how I install the Tortoise motors that I am using.

First I mark the center of the tie bar and then mark out around a point motor.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/64/3871-230418021718-644731961.jpeg)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/64/3871-230418021719-64474668.jpeg)

I then cut out the paper and double check that I've got the outline correct

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/64/3871-230418021719-644751743.jpeg)

I then cut out a hole in the XPS and check that the motor is an interference fit.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/64/3871-230418021720-644761803.jpeg)

I then cut out rebates so that the motor will sit below the track level.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/64/3871-230418021716-644582035.jpeg)

Once everything is working the whole thing can be covered using thin balsa wood.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/64/3871-230418021717-644711720.jpeg)

I'm now using points that were in place on my last layout, so they need cleaned up a little and any soldered rail joiners removed.

Regards,

John P

Title: Re: Contemporary NW (Wigan Wallgate and North Western)
Post by: jpendle on April 30, 2018, 01:41:35 AM
We finally got some warm weather here, so very little time was to be had in the train shed. I managed an hour on Saturday morning and decided to fix my 8 x 1 baseboard to its adjacent boards as it was far too wobbly and prone to move.

Once that was done I spent a happy hour and a half with a friend trying to figure out how to attach the mower deck back on to my lawn tractor.

Once attached the rest of the weekend was spent mowing our 5 acres of pasture.

Our 1/2 acre of lawn, on the other hand, is still dormant as we haven't got our water turned on yet.

I also had to water the 31 trees that we planted, I say trees, a more accurate description would be saplings, or even more accurate would be twigs!

Hopefully Iíll get some time in the evenings this week.

Regards,

John P
Title: Re: Contemporary NW (Wigan Wallgate and North Western)
Post by: DaveGlew on April 30, 2018, 06:58:49 AM
Sounds like a few sheep would mean you had more time for railway business. As a bonus, selling the mower could provide funds for more stock  :beers:
Title: Re: Contemporary NW (Wigan Wallgate and North Western)
Post by: Newportnobby on April 30, 2018, 10:39:55 AM
I like your style/thinking, Dave :thumbsup: :D
Title: Re: Contemporary NW (Wigan Wallgate and North Western)
Post by: jpendle on May 08, 2018, 01:26:38 AM
So this week I was able to get the crossovers at the approach to the fiddle yards wired up to an NCE Switch8 and tested. They needed a bit of fettling but I got them all working.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/65/3871-080518011422-65070783.jpeg)

I then laid out my plans on the floor and realised that I would hit the fridge before  I started the curve back round to the main Wigan boards.

So new baseboards were constructed and things were move around until I arrived at this solution.

First a tighter curve from the existing boards to the fiddle yard.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/65/3871-080518011420-65066694.jpeg)

A view looking down the yard.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/65/3871-080518011421-650681084.jpeg)

The gap where I'll need a removable section so that I don't have to crawl underneath the layout to get into the middle.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/65/3871-080518011421-65068910.jpeg)

I also ordered some of these after seeing them on RMWEB.

They are Wago splicing connectors and IMHO are ideal for wiring up a DCC bus to droppers.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/65/3871-080518011416-650641223.jpeg)

All 3 connections are shorted together, so you have a guzinter, a guzouter, and a third terminal for a power dropper. Two are needed for each DCC bus power drop.

No screwdrivers are needed.

Here's the box

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/65/3871-080518011419-650661390.jpeg)

I can't believe that its taken me 4 years to discover these things.

Regards,

John P
Title: Re: Contemporary NW (Wigan Wallgate and North Western)
Post by: GreyWolf on May 08, 2018, 06:58:36 AM

I also ordered some of these after seeing them on RMWEB.

They are Wago splicing connectors and IMHO are ideal for wiring up a DCC bus to droppers.

([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/65/3871-080518011416-650641223.jpeg[/url])

All 3 connections are shorted together, so you have a guzinter, a guzouter, and a third terminal for a power dropper. Two are needed for each DCC bus power drop.

No screwdrivers are needed.

I can't believe that its taken me 4 years to discover these things.

Regards,

John P


Hi John - yup I spotted these on 'tin 'ternrt too ... SOOO easy to use! They come in "fives'ers" too, but the three'sers are fine for conecting droppers to the bus wires.

Cheers  :beers:
Title: Re: Contemporary NW (Wigan Wallgate and North Western)
Post by: jpendle on May 20, 2018, 04:37:49 AM
Very little has been done over the past week because this arrived.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/65/3871-200518042707-6552797.jpeg)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/65/3871-200518042221-655151691.jpeg)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/65/3871-200518042233-655231597.jpeg)

Anyway I finished playing and got some work done on the layout.

I'm making a lift up section so that I can get to the 1st operating well.

The hinged section is made out of ply.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/65/3871-200518042633-6552599.jpeg)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/65/3871-200518042635-655261944.jpeg)

I also built up the baseboard so that all the tracks will be level.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/65/3871-200518042708-65528519.jpeg)

Next I need to add the first track, I plan on  soldering the tracks to screws mounted flush in the ply.

This is the first time I've tried this so we'll see how it goes.

Regards,

John P

Title: Re: Contemporary NW (Wigan Wallgate and North Western)
Post by: jpendle on November 06, 2018, 07:52:43 PM
So after a very prolonged hiatus, I've managed to get back to work on the layout.

I found that managing 6 acres is a bit harder than looking after our old garden.

I also had a Kidney Transplant in the middle of July, I've been waiting for 4 years, so not a moment too soon.

I am now fully fit and back in the trainshed!

First I had to dismantle the lifting section as it didn't work.

I should have done what Railway Modeller suggested many years ago, and raised the hinges above the baseboard so that the hinged track moves away and up from the fixed track.

I rebuilt it with raised hinges and Veroboard to solder the track, and this is the result.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/71/3871-061118194051.jpeg)

This works very well.

I then isolated between the tracks using a small drill bit to remove the copper from the strip board.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/71/3871-061118194119.jpeg)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/71/3871-061118194139.jpeg)

Of course as soon as I looked at the pictures, I realised that I hadn't isolated the two running lines from each other!

More to come soon.

Regards,

John P
Title: Re: Contemporary NW (Wigan Wallgate and North Western)
Post by: paulprice on November 06, 2018, 08:12:38 PM
Good to see you back on here, keep the updates coming
Title: Re: Contemporary NW (Wigan Wallgate and North Western)
Post by: RailGooner on November 06, 2018, 09:08:10 PM
Yes, very good to see you posting again John. Really happy for you getting the transplant, but mind you don't over do it in the garden. :beers:
Title: Re: Contemporary NW (Wigan Wallgate and North Western)
Post by: Innovationgame on November 07, 2018, 07:44:14 AM
That looks like a nice lift-out section.  :)
Title: Re: Contemporary NW (Wigan Wallgate and North Western)
Post by: jpendle on November 20, 2018, 04:24:16 PM
A bit more progress over the weekend and a 4 day weekend coming up here for Thanksgiving.

Connected the lifting section to the existing tracks

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/71/3871-201118160913.jpeg)

The curves are tighter than I would like (12" on the inner curve). I may need to rebuild the lifting section to accommodate a larger curve radius.

A view of the first part of the storage yards with my push along test train

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/71/3871-201118160954.jpeg)

A view down the storage area

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/71/3871-201118161030.jpeg)

I'm reusing wooden sleepered track from my old layout in this section

And finally the gap between the storage section and the existing layout

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/71/3871-201118161105.jpeg)

Here I'll be adding a temporary section so that my grandchildren can see trains running around

You can see that at the south end of Wigan NW there are 6 running lines, The 2 rightmost lines are the old L&Y to Manchester, the 4 on the left are down slow, down fast, up fast, and up slow. For now the fast lines will be connected to the storage yard. After the holidays the 4 lines from Wigan NW will actually swing away to the left and the Manchester lines will run to the storage yards. I have yet to plan out what happens to the main lines and the Southport/Kirkby line as they run into the last bit of unused space in the shed.

At the moment nothing is wired up so once the track is done all the droppers will need to be connected to my DCC bus.

Regards,

John P
Title: Re: Contemporary NW (Wigan Wallgate and North Western)
Post by: Newportnobby on November 20, 2018, 04:33:58 PM
Hi John. In the 3rd pic it looks like there are a couple of tracks in the fiddle yard against the LH side of the table :goggleeyes:
That's going to be very interesting, to say the least! ;)
Title: Re: Contemporary NW (Wigan Wallgate and North Western)
Post by: jpendle on November 20, 2018, 05:56:54 PM
Hi John. In the 3rd pic it looks like there are a couple of tracks in the fiddle yard against the LH side of the table :goggleeyes:
That's going to be very interesting, to say the least! ;)

That's cos the table isn't finished yet, it will be wider.

Regards,

John P
Title: Re: Contemporary NW (Wigan Wallgate and North Western)
Post by: jpendle on November 26, 2018, 07:43:56 PM
I made good use of the 4 day weekend here to get a lot done on the layout.

I finished all the track laying needed to get a double track continuous run ready for the Grandchildren at Christmas.

I have temporarily connected the up and down fast to the storage yard

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/71/3871-261118192039.jpeg)

I also finished the through lines in the storage yard.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/71/3871-261118192437.jpeg)

After a little bit of testing by pushing wagons around I have started to wire it all up to my Z21.

All the track sections have droppers so this fairly easy.

I redid the wiring on the lifting section as it wasn't long enough to allow the lifting section to work!!

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/71/3871-261118192723.jpeg)

I then started working my way back down the layout.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/71/3871-261118192837.jpeg)

The test train is a Farish 66 plus 3 TEAs and a Cargowaggon.

I'm using Wago 3 way connectors for the dropper feeds, also I not worryng about aesthetics yet, it just has to be working by Christmas.

Once the Pendo below can run around the layout I'll be happy.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/71/3871-261118191714.jpeg)

And finally, as I haven't used a first class Pendo carriage yet, here are the lights.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/71/3871-261118191915.jpeg)

I've got light bars for my other carriages but they can wait.

Regards,

John P

Title: Re: Contemporary NW (Wigan Wallgate and North Western)
Post by: Newportnobby on November 26, 2018, 09:20:53 PM
Has your camera/phone got a video function, John? (Nudge nudge, wink wink)
Title: Re: Contemporary NW (Wigan Wallgate and North Western)
Post by: jpendle on November 26, 2018, 09:44:14 PM
Yes, but as nothing is moving yet, apart from the test train, I think a video might be a bit boring.

Regards,

John P
Title: Re: Contemporary NW (Wigan Wallgate and North Western)
Post by: jpendle on December 03, 2018, 03:10:24 AM
So this weekend things have really started to come together.

Warning, no pictures or videos as visually not much has changed.

First I got all of the twin track continuous run wired up.

As a result of the wiring I replaced one complete length of track that I had laid and wired last year as one wire fell off and there were melted sleepers and solder blobs everywhere. This old track will get used in my storage yard. I also pulled and rewired a couple of other lengths that had dry joints and so on.

Next I ran a test train to find any dead spots and imperfections in the track.

I have a set of 4 points that were not wired to my Z21, so the frog switching wasn't working, I connected up an accessory bus around the layout and got the points plus the frog polarity wiring sorted. I had the forsesight to wire my DCC track bus with 4 wires rather than 2 so that setting up an accessory bus would not be difficult.

Once that was sorted it was time for Alsthom Pendolino. Ran it at low speed and resolved all the issues when it suddenly came to a dead stop, typically track pins standing too proud or point motor actuator wires too high, occasionally track wiring got in the way as well.

Once that was done it was time for speed trials!!!

I started a 40mph and worked my way up from there. Straight away I found a number of track joins where one side of the track had ridden high of the joiner, these all got fixed.

Eventually I got to what my Z21 alleges is a scale 160mph and the fourth coach in the Pendo would be physically lifted from the track when the train went over my superelevated curves, it would then derail spectacularly when it dropped back on to the track. BTW this wasn't a speed issue, it would happen at low speed as well.

But on the plus side the Pendo was quite happy belting at full speed over my lifting section and then negotiating the 12" radius curve that follows.

The result of this is that the superelevation is gone (temporarily) and the Lenz BM2 that I got for 60% off list in a fire sale may well not be needed (I thought I would have to automatically slow trains down as they passed over the lifting section).

The Pendo now runs like a dream, so now I need to program it's address and sort out all the functions on my Z21 app.

Now that my Christmas obligations are done (at least as far as the layout goes), I can now start to get more loco's running and make a start on the storage yards so that I can begin to get the rest of my stock out of boxes.

And next week, fingers crossed, I'll post a video, and some more pictures.

Regards,

John P
Title: Re: Contemporary NW (Wigan Wallgate and North Western)
Post by: Newportnobby on December 03, 2018, 10:48:08 AM
It's one of the great wonders of our hobby that someone in the U.S. of A. is modelling something just 15 miles or so down the road from me :D
Title: Re: Contemporary NW (Wigan Wallgate and North Western)
Post by: jpendle on December 03, 2018, 02:34:28 PM
That's because I spent the first 40 years of my life living about 15 miles down the road from you!

I'm a keaw yed.

If you live further south than the Mersey don'y worry about it. :):):)

And the mainline action in my current neck of the woods is single track, no signals!, max speed around 60mph, and mile long trains with at least 3 loco's.

John P
Title: Re: Contemporary NW (Wigan Wallgate and North Western)
Post by: njee20 on December 03, 2018, 02:36:18 PM
Sounds awesome! Better than my mainline action of homogenous 4-car EMUs plodding up and down all day long, even if it is 4-track and has signals ;)
Title: Re: Contemporary NW (Wigan Wallgate and North Western)
Post by: RailGooner on December 03, 2018, 02:41:10 PM
..
I'm a keaw yed.
...

Westhoughton?
Title: Re: Contemporary NW (Wigan Wallgate and North Western)
Post by: jpendle on December 03, 2018, 02:51:28 PM
Without turning this into a 'my trains are worse than yours thread' although maybe we could start one :):)

When you are in town (Fort Collins) and the crossing barriers go down, you get a lot of good spotting action, but you aren't going nowhere for at least 10 minutes. The City of Fort Collins does not have a single bridge or tunnel to get you from the West Side of town to the East side, not a big deal unless you've had a heart attack and have to wait for the train to pass before you can get to the hospital(s).

I also had the pleasure of waiting 30 minutes at a branch line crossing waiting for a stationary freight to get going again (there were just 4 wagons to go). Eventually I gave up, did a 3 mile diversion, did my errands and had to do the same diversion on the way back as the train was still there!

There's also a spot in Fort Collins where a branch splits in two and if you time it just right you can get stuck between two level crossings 25 yards apart.

To paraphrase. 'the US is a foreign country, they do things differently there'

Regards,

John P
Title: Re: Contemporary NW (Wigan Wallgate and North Western)
Post by: jpendle on December 03, 2018, 02:52:30 PM
..
I'm a keaw yed.
...

Westhoughton?

Give the man a prize!!!
Title: Re: Contemporary NW (Wigan Wallgate and North Western)
Post by: RailGooner on December 03, 2018, 03:02:02 PM
..
I'm a keaw yed.
...

Westhoughton?

Give the man a prize!!!

Yay, small world John! Lived in Daisy Hill from '69 (ish) to '79. Attended Westhoughton Comp' High. :beers:
Title: Re: Contemporary NW (Wigan Wallgate and North Western)
Post by: njee20 on December 03, 2018, 03:15:28 PM
Yeah, but you get Dash-9s running down the street!

I'd still sooner model the WCML though!
Title: Re: Contemporary NW (Wigan Wallgate and North Western)
Post by: jpendle on December 16, 2018, 10:18:59 PM
This update is actually from last weekend but as the board was being upgraded it has had to wait.

After more testing with 2 Pendo's I decided that the crossovers and curves just past the lifting section had to go as I was getting derailments with Northbound (clockwise) Pendos.

I lifted all the track and points from the lifting section up until the embankment north of Wigan NW.

I then lifted the baseboard and rotated it through 180 degrees as the points and point motors were not aligned properly, this allowed me to cut new holes for the point motors.

First I relayed the curves from the lifting section out to make them smoother and larger radius.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/72/3871-161218220159.jpeg)

I then started to relay the points and point motors.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/72/3871-161218220419.jpeg)

I also packed and levelled out the track at the far end of the baseboard.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/72/3871-161218220452.jpeg)

I can now run 2 Pendos at speed without them derailing

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/72/3871-161218220624.jpeg)

Regards,

John P

Title: Re: Contemporary NW (Wigan Wallgate and North Western)
Post by: njee20 on December 16, 2018, 10:31:40 PM
Lovely models as they are, I find my Pendos very intolerant of poor track - so a good barometer for sure!

Looks great though, very envious of your space!
Title: Re: Contemporary NW (Wigan Wallgate and North Western)
Post by: jpendle on December 18, 2018, 03:03:15 AM
OK so I lied.

No sooner had the clockwise track been fixed that the anti-clockwise track started playing up again, or maybe it was the other way around.

I found a couple of areas that needed attention, including the transition from the fixed baseboard to the lifting section.

First I carefully undercut the fixed end of the lifting section as there was a slight crown where the tracks met.

This allowed me to lower the track and then pack it so that both sides of the track are now level.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/72/3871-181218025202.jpeg)

I also had to fix issues around a point motor that had been recessed too far into the baseboard.

This is before

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/72/3871-181218025136.jpeg)

Trains passing over would cause the track to flex downwards and bogies could derail.

I packed under the track with ply which stops it flexing and has the added benefit of making the point motors less obtrusive.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/72/3871-181218025104.jpeg)

At least they will be less obtrusive once some scenery has been done.

I now really do have Pendos running in both directions at speed.

I've also been adding the various sound functions to City of Manchester in my Z21 app.

Grandchildren arrive Friday so its just playing trains from now until January 7th.

Regards,

John P


Title: Re: Contemporary NW (Wigan Wallgate and North Western)
Post by: jpendle on January 08, 2019, 04:27:57 PM
Happy New Year!!!

Lots of test running (playing with trains) was accomplished with the help of my grandson over the holidays.

This did highlight some track and wiring issues which have now been rectified.

I was also able to chip my Dapol CL67 and a Dapol CL68 Defiant, both last years pressies, plus a Dapol CL66 GBRF Lesia, one of this years pressies.

Getting the lights to work on the 68 would have been nigh on impossible without help from Julian (jthjth) to whom I owe many thanks.

I still have 2 68's plus the Farish CL66 Evening Star to chip but I'm running out of storage sidings.

I was able to do more work on the storage sidings, but have now used almost all the outputs on my NCE Switch 8's so I have had to order some more!

Here's a couple of pictures of the work so far.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/72/3871-080119161755.jpeg)

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/72/3871-080119161824.jpeg)

Regards,

John P
Title: Re: Contemporary NW (Wigan Wallgate and North Western)
Post by: njee20 on January 09, 2019, 02:26:34 PM
Presume there are more fiddle yard roads to come? You can never have too many storage roads, and with a large layout with a variety of traffic I'd have as many as conceivably possible!
Title: Re: Contemporary NW (Wigan Wallgate and North Western)
Post by: jpendle on January 09, 2019, 04:09:07 PM
I've planned on 8 roads on each side.

I may also add more storage once I've planned out the layout south of Wigan.

I'm also considering setting up the route through Wallgate as an end to end rather than being part of a figure of eight as per my original plan.

That way I could set up some computer controlled DMU's to shuttle through Wallgate and I could also add the Waste Terminal at Knowsley plus the end on connection to Merseyrail at Kirkby, or as there are no MerseyRail electrics available I might use a bit of modellers licence here.

It would also make it much easier to setup the line through WNW as a continuous run.

Regards,

John P
Title: Re: Contemporary NW (Wigan Wallgate and North Western)
Post by: jpendle on January 27, 2019, 11:46:59 PM
I havenít been able to get much time in the shed recently as work has got in the way. I have managed to get 6 storage sidings laid and have started to get more stock out of storage.
This weekend I got a Dapol EWS CL66 sorted and a Northern Rail CL156. I wasnít so lucky with a CL86 and a Farish CL60 which have both been consigned to the workbench.
I also ran in 2 CL86ís on DC. These are Freightliner Grey versions and may get a body swap if I canít get my Freightliner Green 86ís fettled.
I also spent a happy hour sorting through unpacked boxes to find the rest of my locos.
Before I get too much more stock running Iíll need to get some more points, so that I can lay out more sidings.

Regards,

John P
Title: Re: Contemporary NW (Wigan Wallgate and North Western)
Post by: jpendle on February 05, 2019, 04:35:25 PM
This weekend was spent getting more loco's and MU's out of boxes and testing them out.

I've ended up with 4 loco's needing attention ( 2 Farish & 2 Dapol). I've got another half a dozen awaiting decoders but all run fine on DC.

The rest are in the storage yards.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/73/3871-050219162210.jpeg)

The through roads are in the middle, with 3 storage roads either side, that consumed all the outputs on 2 NCE Switch 8 accessoy decoders.

Loco's waiting for something to do.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/73/3871-050219162543-738641977.jpeg)

Plus all my Pendolinos are on the layout and running well.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/73/3871-050219162537-738631389.jpeg)

I can just about get 2 Pendolinos end to end in the first storage roads. So next up is to buy more points and build more storage. There is a bit of space but virtually none of my rolling stock is on the layout yet.

Regards,

John P
Title: Re: Contemporary NW (Wigan Wallgate and North Western)
Post by: jpendle on February 19, 2019, 02:04:03 AM
Ok let's see if this works.

My first video

Pendolino's at Wigan


Not sure how to embed it yet.

The inane whistling will be dealt with most severely!!

John P

Moderator Comment If you put the link in "youtube" tags it displays an image embedded in the post. Use the "youtube" button on the menu above the where you type your text, you can either click the button first and then past the link between the tags or paste the link, highlight it and then click the youtube button to put the tags around the link
Title: Re: Contemporary NW (Wigan Wallgate and North Western)
Post by: Innovationgame on February 19, 2019, 07:03:36 AM
I'm afraid the video is unavailable, according to YouTube.
Title: Re: Contemporary NW (Wigan Wallgate and North Western)
Post by: GreyWolf on February 19, 2019, 07:40:50 AM
Same issue for me ...

When you click Reply you will see a YouTube button ...

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/74/5843-190219073534.png) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=74243)

Click the button and it adds YouTube tags:

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/74/5843-190219073921.png) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=74244)

Cheers  :beers:
Title: Re: Contemporary NW (Wigan Wallgate and North Western)
Post by: jpendle on February 19, 2019, 02:26:54 PM
OK Here goes.

I'd made it private so perhaps that was the issue.



Let me know if this works.

Thanks,

John P

Title: Re: Contemporary NW (Wigan Wallgate and North Western)
Post by: squit13 on February 19, 2019, 02:34:35 PM
Works a treat, makes me somewhat jealous!
Title: Re: Contemporary NW (Wigan Wallgate and North Western)
Post by: GreyWolf on February 19, 2019, 02:40:00 PM
Nine seconds of excellence John!

 :envy: Envious of the space you have there.

Cheers  :beers:
Title: Re: Contemporary NW (Wigan Wallgate and North Western)
Post by: Newportnobby on February 19, 2019, 03:17:40 PM
Great snippet but I really do hope you deal with the inane whistling very severely :D
Title: Re: Contemporary NW (Wigan Wallgate and North Western)
Post by: njee20 on February 19, 2019, 03:21:31 PM
Agreed, that looks superb!

My only comment is that there looks to be a bit of vertical movement most noticeable in the last 2 seconds, presumably at the transition of the gradient. I'd make sure that's as smooth as possible to minimise risk of uncoupling, things like Dapol IKAs (which I imagine you may well have) are very prone to it.
Title: Re: Contemporary NW (Wigan Wallgate and North Western)
Post by: Delboy on February 19, 2019, 03:29:09 PM
..
I'm a keaw yed.
...

Westhoughton?

Give the man a prize!!!

Yay, small world John! Lived in Daisy Hill from '69 (ish) to '79. Attended Westhoughton Comp' High. :beers:
It is a small world. I lived in Westhoughton until I was 15

Oh and John,
Just noticed your layout thread. Will have a good read through it asap. From a quick skip througjh for now, your layout is progressing really well.
Delboy.
Title: Re: Contemporary NW (Wigan Wallgate and North Western)
Post by: jpendle on February 19, 2019, 04:14:15 PM
Agreed, that looks superb!

My only comment is that there looks to be a bit of vertical movement most noticeable in the last 2 seconds, presumably at the transition of the gradient. I'd make sure that's as smooth as possible to minimise risk of uncoupling, things like Dapol IKAs (which I imagine you may well have) are very prone to it.

I disagree, I think that's a lot of vertical movement, especially as there is no gradient there (at least not any intentional one)!!!!

It shall be sorted as I have yet to reinstate super elevation on the curve north of the station and I have yet to fully wire and fettle all the tracks in the station itself.

Isn't it great how well a video can show up flaws in our track laying that can go unnoticed when looked at from above?

Thanks,

John P
Title: Re: Contemporary NW (Wigan Wallgate and North Western)
Post by: njee20 on February 19, 2019, 04:17:18 PM
Ha, well I didn't want to say...

I don't doubt it's magnified in the video, but would be a real shame to find you can't get reliable running, so you're right to try and resolve it. Gradient must just be parallax error or my dodgy eyes!  :confused1:
Title: Re: Contemporary NW (Wigan Wallgate and North Western)
Post by: jpendle on March 13, 2019, 03:11:51 AM
Well progress has been slow over the past couple of weeks as everything I have touched has turned to dust.

I decided to take a break from track laying to get more stock out of storage and to try to fix some non-runners.

AAARRGGGGHHHHHHHH

I got my Revolution IZA twins out and they wouldn't move, on a 2% gradient only one set would roll down the track, I eventually had to resort to removing the brake gear from half the sets to get them to run well enough for a loco to haul them around a curve or up a hill. (I posted on the IZA thread about this)

I tried to fix a couple of non running loco's. Long story short I think I have some duff Zimo MX622 wired decoders which may have burnt out the motors on 2 of the non-runners. (I created a new post about this)

Tonight I put a Zimo Next18 decoder in a second CL68, the cab lights came on immediately and I cannot get them to turn off. They will turn off, cos when I program a CV they flash, and when I reset the loco they stayed off the whole time that the programming light was lit on my Z21, BUT as soon as I went back to 'normal' mode the d**n lights came back on. (Might have to create a post about this as well). I might be able to use this decoder in my Pacer as I don't think that all the function outputs are used.

I can't send anything back as most of this stuff has been sitting around for over a year while I got the layout off the ground.

Anyway, I'll probably revert to some more track laying this week and try to post a couple more videos.

To cap it all, I ordered 4 more Zimo Next 18 decoders only to find out after my money had been taken that they are on back order!

Oh, and we had a burst pipe in the basement last week and will have to replace all of the flooring, and we broke our washing machine as well, but that got fixed yesterday.

At least the railway shed stayed dry  :D :D

Regards,

John P
Title: Re: Contemporary NW (Wigan Wallgate and North Western)
Post by: njee20 on March 13, 2019, 06:52:54 AM
Not your week...
Title: Re: Contemporary NW (Wigan Wallgate and North Western)
Post by: jpendle on March 14, 2019, 08:11:50 PM
We're having a really bad winter storm here, so driving is very limited, but I get more time in the shed  :)

I found a couple of Digitrax decoders lying around plus a Zimo MX621N in my electronics box of bits. So I decided to chip a second Dapol CL156, the S&C special edition.

I ran in on my DC test track first and it was really bad, I then had the brainwave of cleaning the wheels, out came the IPA and a cotton bud and after a few seconds work the driving car was buzzing round the track quite happily, I did the same with the trailing car and let both run around in both directions for 20 minutes or so.

Next I put the Zimo in the driving car and the Digitrax in the trailer, popped both on the programming track and set the DCC address.

Put it on my layout and it runs really well, so I know have two of these up and running, plus a dummy set.

I also tried to use DCC commands to tell my DCC Specialties PSX-1 to turn track power on and off. This was less successful. The instructions say that you can turn track power on and off by writing to address 2042, but they don't give any hint as to what should be written to this address. Anyhow I tried it and it sent the rest of my accessory decoders haywire, AND IT CAUSED A SHORT!

After disconnecting substantial parts of the layout I finally tracked the short down to a point where the tortoise motor had moved but the actuating wire had sprung out of the tie bar so the frog switch had changed polarity but the point blades hadn't. The point had moved due to the accessory decoders being affected by the PSX-1 DCC command.

Next up will be reconnecting everything, but at least it means I can tidy up the wiring at the same time.

I have to keep telling myself that. The only good news in this is that I am using Wago Levernuts to connect all my droppers and frog wires, so disconnecting and reconnecting them doesn't need any soldering or any other tools.

You never know I might even have trains running again before the weekend.

Regards,

John P
Title: Re: Contemporary NW (Wigan Wallgate and North Western)
Post by: Yet_Another on March 14, 2019, 11:56:53 PM
Regarding the PSX, I wrote a little guide here:

https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=32318.msg370777#msg370777 (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=32318.msg370777#msg370777)

But it doesn't cover programming, which is in the instructions. I can't remember the details, but essentially, you assign it a DCC accessory address, and then you can turn it off and on as if you are operating a point.

When I was using NCE kit, addresses above 2000 were ok, but since swapping to Uhlenbrock, I had to use lower addresses, because those over 2000 are used for route definitions. Just something to consider.
Title: Re: Contemporary NW (Wigan Wallgate and North Western)
Post by: jpendle on March 15, 2019, 01:36:32 AM
Thanks Tony.

The address information about routes may be the issue. I am using a Z21 which supports route setting. Iíll try programming a lower address and see what happens.

Thanks,

John P
Title: Re: Contemporary NW (Wigan Wallgate and North Western)
Post by: njee20 on March 15, 2019, 07:57:20 AM
Iíve always found programming the PSX a bit of a messy affair!
Title: Re: Contemporary NW (Wigan Wallgate and North Western)
Post by: jpendle on March 31, 2019, 06:35:19 PM
Well a lot of work has ensued since tracking down the short circuit on the layout, unfortunately as it was all wiring there's not a lot to see.

I have successfully hooked up all the trackwork in Wigan Northwestern and got all the points working, I've also lifted and relaid some track that either had terrible soldering or wasn't flat. I've shocked myself seeing how many mistakes I've made with wiring and track laying when I was working to a deadline before Christmas 2 years ago.

Anyway all that's left to wire up, and fix, is the trackwork for Wallgate and it's junction with the mainline.

I have made another, rather blurry, video. It's my CargoWaggon Twins with some Dapol Cargowaggons interspersed to make a long rake. No whistling this time, but a lot of noise from the fan heaters in the shed.



Now a number of the Twins have had their brake gear removed as it was fouling the wheels and I have yet to reattach them, can anyone see which wagons don't have brakes?

Regards,

John P
Title: Re: Contemporary NW (Wigan Wallgate and North Western)
Post by: jpendle on April 07, 2019, 12:11:14 AM
I've spent some time this week clearing space in the workshop and planning out what to do at the southern throat of Wigan NW and beyond.

I've decided to go a little crazy and to try to model the railway as far as Golborne junction but in a very compressed form. So most of the junctions will be modelled but they will be rather close together. I'n ignoring the triangle around Ince Moss Junction and the lines to Liverpool, but I have left room for something at Springs Branch and also for the Hanson Aggregate traffic to Haydock and the Manchester line at Golborne itself.

In addition the Atherton(Westhoughton) line will curve around clockwise adjacent to the line from the main storage yards, it will then drop under the mainline and join up with the Kirkby line to the West of Wallgate station.

The plan is now so big that I can't upload all of it, so here is the first bit, track in green is already laid.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/75/3871-060419234154.jpeg).

I have had to move some stuff around and had a bit of a clear out to get more space for the curves.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/75/3871-060419234630.jpeg)

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/75/3871-060419234729.jpeg)

And with some more shelving moved around

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/75/3871-060419234756.jpeg)

But to do this I will have to remove the temporary tracks that currently allow me to have a continuous run by connecting the storage yard to the main line.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/75/3871-060419234542.jpeg)

I've also had a play with reusing some scenic bits from my old layout to see how they would fit on this one.

This row of terraced houses will sit a little higher than the track to hide the crossovers before the entrance to the storage yard, it will also get more houses added, and the track will sit in a cutting.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/75/3871-060419234937.jpeg)

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/75/3871-060419235003.jpeg)

Regards,

John P



Title: Re: Contemporary NW (Wigan Wallgate and North Western)
Post by: jpendle on April 08, 2019, 10:13:42 PM
Well plans are made for changing.

I went out to the shed with some full size plan prints and straight away saw that the existing layout position bore no relation to my original plan. I forgot that I had to move some boards around to get clearance for my belly and to incorporate a lifting section that I hadn't planned on.

So after taking many careful measurements on strategic points on the existing trackwork I was able to fix my Scarm plan so that it did represent fairly accurately what actually exists in the shed.

I was then able to redo the plan, and I took the opportunity to make sure I have at least 2 foot clearance between the walls of the shed and the baseboards.

So here's the revised plan.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/75/3871-080419215746.jpeg)

The Atherton line is now much closer to the mainline but will be hidden as it is on a 2% down grade, the line from the fiddle yard will eventually pass over the Atherton line to rejoin the mainline in a large loop filled with track.

The Atherton line will also loop around the shed to join up with the Kirkby line, so I shall have continuous running on both the lines through Wigan NW and Wallgate.

I still have to check these plans for size but I am a lot more confident that they will fit, next up is to construct some baseboards to carry all of this.

Regards,

John P
Title: Re: Contemporary NW (Wigan Wallgate and North Western)
Post by: jpendle on April 21, 2019, 05:03:09 PM
Hi,

Time for an update.

In preparation for building the extension through Wigan South I decided that everything already built should be finished and thoroughly tested, otherwise laying more track and points would be a bit of a waste of time.

This turned out to be a good plan as finishing off the storage yard highlighted a bunch of issues that had to be sorted.

I added a couple more sidings and then tried to get all my Pendolinos to run into them, so that they were out of the way of the main line.

Disaster! There were issues with the lifting section and with them getting stuck on track pins in the sidings.

The lifting section was my first attempt and it has been rebuilt once already, but I could see that the hinged section wasn't true, which caused problems with both horizontal and vertical alignment, and when I jiggled the baseboards around to get it true this happened.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/76/3871-210419163505-76402915.jpeg)

The soldered track sections were fractionally too long, so I decided to rebuild it for a third time. The tracks on the baseboard along with the PCB were lifted and trimmed and realigned. The hinged bit got 2 screws so that its height could be accurately adjusted and I ended up with this.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/76/3871-210419163507-764181270.jpeg)

All 4 of my Pendos were then, slowly, driven out of the sidings and around the layout to test out the new section, 2 in each direction.
The new lifting section works much better and all 4 Pendos can manage it at speed with no issues. Putting them back in the sidings resulted in various issues with track pins standing proud so these were removed and all was well.

I now have around 6 more sidings to do and the storage yards will be finished.

As I said earlier I had to redo the plans for the tracks south of Wigan but now they look to be OK. Here they are laid out on the layout and on the floor to make sure that they join up with what's already there and that I can get around them.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/76/3871-210419163511-764231872.jpeg)

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/76/3871-210419163510-76421432.jpeg)

And finally a 156 posed in the bay at NorthWestern.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/76/3871-210419163509-764201369.jpeg)

This week I'll be finishing up the storage sidings and then I can get cracking on the extension. Although I also have 4 loco's to chip, and another half dozen that need fixed. I'm also planning on starting the platforms at North Western.

Regards,

John P
Title: Re: Contemporary NW (Wigan Wallgate and North Western)
Post by: crewearpley40 on April 21, 2019, 06:37:43 PM
looking good thank you for the progress reports and an interesting project being a warrington lad.
Title: Re: Contemporary NW (Wigan Wallgate and North Western)
Post by: jpendle on April 27, 2019, 01:18:02 AM
I managed a few hours in the train shed this week, and things have gone reasonably well.

I added two more sidings to my storage yards, leaving just 2 sets if points to create 4 more sidings, but that will have to wait as I have run out of wire and baseboard. I'll pick up some more wire over the weekend and if I get time I'll add some small baseboard extensions so that I can finish the sidings.

Today I decided on a change of tack, and decided to revisit some non runners and other locos that needed attention, all of these locos are Farish 66's with the older style hard wire DCC decoder PCB.

First I the body of a Colas 66 whose lights were always on, it tuned out to be the common return on a Zimo Decoder that was hardwired in, the wire was protruding just a little too far at the bottom of the PCB and it was touching the chassis, the wire was trimmed and the chassis covered in that area with Kapton tape just to be sure.

Next up was a DRS Malcolm 66 that has a decoder wired in. This didn't work out to well. It was easy enough to get the loco running again, first on DC and then on DCC, but whenever I put the body back on it would stop working, I also tried taping the wires in pace using Kapton tape and this had exactly the same effect. I messed around with this for an hour or so before I gave up to try something else.

I started work on EWS 66098 which had been working fine with a hardwired decoder and had suddenly stopped working.I had already removed the decoder to get it back to running on DC but it still didn't work. So back to basics, I removed the PCB and the bogies and ran 2 wires from my DC controller straight to the motor terminals, it worked. Then I replaced the PCB and checked that I had contact between the chassis and the motor terminals with a multimeter, I did. Then I put the loco upside down in a cradle and applied DC to the chassis pickups and again the motor worked. After checking that the bogie pickups had good contact I put it together and it ran fine on my DC test track. Then I hardwired the decoder back in, it didn't work, after a bit of head scratching and testing I began to suspect the two 'fingers' that are soldered under the PCB and make sprung contact with the motor terminals, on this model they had quite long insulating sleeves, I removed the sleeves and everything worked on DC and DCC, so 66098 went back onto the layout.

I then fiddled around with 2 very old chassis, whose locos had died a while ago. Both motors run fine but I only had enough working bogies to get one chassis up and running. The first chassis was from an EWS 66 that I had abused on a 3% gradient hauling 20 HTA's up hill. The bogies are toast as the wheels spin freely on their axles even though the gears don't move, I set this one aside for a later date. The second was from a GBRF 66, this one took a bit of TLC but I was able to get the motor running and then the PCB contact fingers fettled and finally added a pair of bogies and got it running pretty well, even though it is a bit noisy. I decided to use the body for 66701 in the plain blue and yellow GBRF livery, rather than the body for Sunderland FC as that is is the much older First/GBRF livery. The main cosmetic issue with this loco is that one of its bogies is from 'Sunderland FC' and the wheels have white tyres, the other bogie has the steps in the wrong place. When I have the time and patience I shall build up some alternative bogies using some spare frames and wheels that I have to make things more accurate.

So all in all not bad for an afternoon. I now have 3 locos running that had issues before. Over the weekend I'll put a decoder into GBRF 66701 and get that onto the layout, I'll leave the Malcolm liveried loco for another day.

Regards,

John P

Title: Re: Contemporary NW (Wigan Wallgate and North Western)
Post by: jpendle on April 28, 2019, 02:47:59 AM
So the loco resurrection continues! with pictures.

Here's the Colas 66 with its lights OFF.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/76/3871-280419023910-767141699.jpeg)

And EWS 66098

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/76/3871-280419023910-76714725.jpeg)

I also fiddled around with bogie frames and got GBRF 66701 with steps that line up properly on the bogies and body sides.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/76/3871-280419023905-76709446.jpeg)

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/76/3871-280419023905-767091985.jpeg)

66701 has yet to be converted to DCC, but it may well get a decoder from Malcolm the Naughty Engine!

Works fine like this (minus lights)

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/76/3871-280419023908-767121399.jpeg)

But refuses to move like this

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/76/3871-280419023908-767122287.jpeg)

And before you all start , I know it needs to be on the track to move!

Pulling the lighting wires from the chassis was one of many unsuccessful experiments.

If it doesn't behave, the bogies may be donated to another EWS 66 to get it running again.

Regards,

John P

Title: Re: Contemporary NW (Wigan Wallgate and North Western)
Post by: jpendle on April 30, 2019, 12:38:55 AM
So updates coming thick and fast now.

I added decoders to my Dapol Pacer today, the Next18 format allows manufacturers to build in more flexibility but that also means programming more than just an address to get things going. The driving car is a simple drop in and change the address, then its lights are controlled by F0, pretty standard. The trailer however uses the AUX1 and AUX2 outputs to control the white and red lights independently, so by default F1 and F2 control the white and red lights independently. In order to get just F1 controlling the lights means setting CV's to do some Function mapping and also to set directional behaviour on the AUX1 and AUX2 outputs.

Here it is in all its glory.



And 66701 on a cement train, I have yet to add its nameplates cos I only just found them.



Next I have a couple of Grey 86's to use as chassis donors to fix green one's that are broken.

Regards,

John P
Title: Re: Contemporary NW (Wigan Wallgate and North Western)
Post by: jpendle on May 05, 2019, 08:54:05 PM
Well my loco repair mojo hasn't quite worked out as I hoped.

Both my Freightliner plain green 86''s have lights issues. The culprit is this incredibly naff way of connecting the chassis to the LED's in the cab

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/77/3871-050519202312-770352398.jpeg)

These wires come of the cab pcb very easily as there is no strain relief and the wires are not very long, meaning that the first time you remove the body to chip the loco there's a 50/50 chance that you'll lift the body too high and pull the wires from the PCB.

I obtained a couple of cheap Freight sector 86's thinking (mistakenly), that I could do a simple body swap to get lights working again.

This isn't possible as the whole CAB and light molding appears to be glued into the bodyshell.

Anyhow I got the big hammer out and managed to prise the lighting PCB away from the rest of the cab moulding to see if I could reattach the wires.

This is what the light PCB looks like

Front (facing the cab) with a white and red LED

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/77/3871-050519202307-77028475.jpeg)

and back, where the wires are soldered

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/77/3871-050519202307-770281299.jpeg)

Now, underneath all that black paint? are the solder pads for the 3 wires needed for the LEDs. I tried to solder these in situ but all I managed to do was to slightly damage the bodyshell of one of the 86's with my hot iron.

Once the LED PCB is out of the body it is relatively easy to clean up the wire side and solder the wires back on.

Once this was done I attached both PCB's to a dummy chassis and both worked fine.

Then it just a case of gluing it back on here

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/77/3871-050519202312-770362281.jpeg)

Like this

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/77/3871-050519202309-77033226.jpeg)

Now as soon as I put the body shell back on the chassis the wires fell off again.

I've been through this process 3 times now and I'm beginning to get annoyed!

I put the 86's to one side and decided to take a look at my 2 Dapol Voyagers.

One, a XC CL221 Voyager has worked intermittently since I got it. I tried it on my DC test track and the power car seemed to work quite well, it also performed OK on DCC on my layout, but on further examination I could see that there was something wrong on one of the powered bogies.

I took the power car apart and could see that the wheels were so close together that the gear mechanism could disengage from the main gear train, I adjusted the back to back on this axle and things got a lot better, although there is still a fair amount of squealing which I hope to get to the bottom of today.

On a much happier note, my second Voyager, a Virgin CL220, which was perhaps the 2nd modern loco that I purchased around 10 years ago, came good.

It hasn't run well since I got it. I took the power car apart and applied DC straight to the motor and everything worked fine, the motor ran and all the wheels on the motor bogies turned without any issues. I took a closer look and the reason that it wouldn't run on the track is that the wheels were filthy, I mean black. I used an old blade on a craft knife to get rid of the thickest grunge and then cleaned the wheels using IPA. Once this was done the motor car ran around my DC test track with no issues.

The only problem is that I now need to buy 3 decoders to get it prepared for running on the main layout.

I shall persevere with the other Voyager and the 86's and hopefully have better news next week.

Getting back to the layout my fiddle yard board sprouted a bump so that I can get the last 2 sidings laid, the yard is slightly off centre so the other side shouldn't need the same treatment,

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/77/3871-050519202311-77034194.jpeg)

Regards,

John P
Title: Re: Contemporary NW (Wigan Wallgate and North Western)
Post by: jpendle on May 07, 2019, 05:27:19 PM
So I thought I would demonstrate my new and improved point motor installation process.

I'm using XPS as a baseboard so cutting it is pretty easy.

I started out mounting my Tortoise motors like this.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/77/3871-070519170255-771101744.jpeg)

It worked, but it means there is a job to be done patching the holes before ballasting and scenery can be done.

Then I tried this

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/77/3871-070519170257-771291888.jpeg)

Here I cut a hole and glued the motor to the bottom of the XPS and then glued it back in place.
This didn't work as the XPS is an inch thick and the Tortoise internal switch changes polarity before the point blades have started to move causing a temporary short.

So I refined my method.

First I use the template that comes with the motor to mark out the 4 locating holes and the tie bar hole on the baseboard, along with the front edge of the hole to be cut.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/77/3871-070519170306-7713634.jpeg)

Then I line up the motor over the locating hole marks and finish drawing the outline of the hole. I deliberately leave no room at the back and sides as that makes it easier to line up the motor later.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/77/3871-070519170311-77138845.jpeg)

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/77/3871-070519170307-771361247.jpeg)

I then cut out the XPS piece and carefully slice it in half, so that it is now 1/2" thick.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/77/3871-070519170259-771301186.jpeg)

The knife shown is specifically designed to cut through the XPS, it isn't serrated.

I then widen the hole for the tie bar pin into a small rectangular slot and glue the assembled motor to the bottom of the XPS using a hot glue gun.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/77/3871-070519170301-771322292.jpeg)

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/77/3871-070519170301-77132646.jpeg)

The assembled piece is then glued back into the baseboard, but not until connectors are added to the 5 wires that I shall be using.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/77/3871-070519170304-771341451.jpeg)

And here's the finished result.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/77/3871-070519170304-771341932.jpeg)

I wire up the motor and make sure all is well before I cut the tie bar wire down.

This works very well with no shorts occurring so I shall be doing this for all future point motor installations.

And here are a couple of videos of very noisy, but not sound equipped, Dapol Voyagers.

First my Virgin Voyager power car resurrected after 10 years, still DC only.



and then my XC Voyager, I had to loosen the screws holding the bogies in place and work on the back to back of the troublesome axle to get this running better.



I should be getting decoders for the Virgin Voyager in the post today, and then I'll be finishing my storage yard before I commence on the extension for Wigan South.

Regards,

John P


Title: Re: Contemporary NW (Wigan Wallgate and North Western)
Post by: jpendle on May 13, 2019, 06:05:10 PM
I have now finished the storage yards, not big enough!, and got most of my loco's and mu's running.

Having run out of excuses it is time to start extending the layout.

First I had to clear some space by moving shelf units and a bookcase out of the way.

The shelves are now tucked away beside my workbench

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/77/3871-130519174721-773822058.jpeg)

The layout won't ever come near here so they shouldn't need moved again.

I also moved a bookcase full of Railway Modellers to the space where the shelves were.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/77/3871-130519174720-773811573.jpeg)

You can see in the shot above, that I already made two 4'x2' baseboard frames and have started to position them with the full size plan.

This area is the trickiest as I have new baseboards running horizontal to the wall, plus two more coming in at different angles and different heights. The height difference (1/2 inch) is caused by me being a numpty and forgetting that the railway shed was intended to double up as a garage and has a sloping floor.

I laid the plans out over the new baseboards to see where they would best fit and to figure out where to leave space for my and my belly to reach all the tracks.

These are the lines out of Wigan, the Westhoughton line on the right hand side will be dropping two inches on a 2% slope to get it under the main lines further down.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/77/3871-130519174714-773711961.jpeg)

BTW, I know it's technically the Atherton line, but I'm from Westhoughton.  :D

This next one shows how the line from the storage yard joins the pack, along with a fifth line appearing as part of the complex junctions south of Wigan where the 4 track DS, DF, UF, US becomes the 6 track DS, US, DF, UF, D Freight, U Freight. Lots of points will be needed for this.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/77/3871-130519174718-77379942.jpeg)

I've started fixing the baseboards in place and adding a mixture of 1" XPS (the pink stuff) and Woodland Scenics risers and inclines to get all the tracks level and the gradient sorted for the Westhoughton line.

More to come.

John P
Title: Re: Contemporary NW (Wigan Wallgate and North Western)
Post by: jpendle on May 25, 2019, 03:35:33 AM
So more baseboards were made last weekend and plans laid out.

Here's the gradient taking shape for the Westhoughton line

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/77/3871-250519031046-777701958.jpeg)

And the plans laid out for the mess of tracks and points leading up to Springs Branch

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/77/3871-250519031044-777511529.jpeg)

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/77/3871-250519031044-777511945.jpeg)

But then, disaster!

I'd forgot to plan for one critical dimension, my waist size.

It was pretty obvious that the baseboards would be too close together to get between them for access.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/77/3871-250519031045-77770200.jpeg)

So I had to get back to my laptop and redo my plans.

Luckily I was able to realign the baseboards without having to make any drastic changes to the plan, so this weekend there should be more progress.

Regards,

John P
Title: Re: Contemporary NW (Wigan Wallgate and North Western)
Post by: crewearpley40 on May 25, 2019, 05:52:30 AM
Looking good. Especially the gradient 
Title: Re: Contemporary NW (Wigan Wallgate and North Western)
Post by: Innovationgame on May 25, 2019, 07:55:59 AM
That looks like a very thorough planning and construction job. :beers:
Title: Re: Contemporary NW (Wigan Wallgate and North Western)
Post by: crewearpley40 on May 25, 2019, 08:17:50 AM
Agree. What did you use to construct the incline please
Title: Re: Contemporary NW (Wigan Wallgate and North Western)
Post by: jpendle on May 25, 2019, 03:10:12 PM
Agree. What did you use to construct the incline please

I use Woddland SCenics, or Woodland Scenics if you prefer  :D, risers and inclines.

The risers are 2' long and come in a variety of heights, I use 1/2", 1", and 2". They are flexible so they can be glued in place around curves.
The inclines come as various different gradients, again they are 2' long and I use the 2% inclines, so each incline adjusts the track height by 1/2", again they are flexible and can be used on curves. They are relatively expensive even here in the US, so as the XPS baseboard material I am using is also 1" thick, I can also use that and mix and match it with the Woodland Scenics stuff.

BUT IMHO if you need elevated or inclined track on a curve, or are forming an embankment, it is good value for money.

Regards,

John P
Title: Re: Contemporary NW (Wigan Wallgate and North Western)
Post by: crewearpley40 on May 25, 2019, 03:19:03 PM
Looking good. That was a well written tutorial and i remember the area in the late 80s /90s
Title: Re: Contemporary NW (Wigan Wallgate and North Western)
Post by: crewearpley40 on May 25, 2019, 03:22:09 PM
That was an excellent tutorial. I remember the area in the 80s / 90s
Title: Re: Contemporary NW (Wigan Wallgate and North Western)
Post by: jpendle on June 13, 2019, 03:15:05 AM
Work has been progressing on the track to the south of Wigan. Five points have been added, giving access from Wallgate to the main line and from the mainline to the Atherton line, plus one to form the crossover from Down Fast to Down Slow.

I've started to add in the curved tracks for the mainline and have been test running as I go with a CL68, a Pacer, and a Pendolino.

Here are some pics.

Looking south at the crossover from Wallgate to the mainline.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/78/3871-130619030441-784491408.jpeg)

And the crossover from the main to the Atherton line

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/78/3871-130619030441-78449285.jpeg)

And the curves taking shape before the next sets of points.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/78/3871-130619030443-784522231.jpeg)

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/78/3871-130619030438-784481519.jpeg)

Once the main is finished it will be out with the plaster bandage to form a surface on the Woodland Scenics risers used for the incline on the Atherton line
and on the line leading from the fiddle yard.

Regards,

John P



Title: Re: Contemporary NW (Wigan Wallgate and North Western)
Post by: crewearpley40 on June 13, 2019, 05:25:15 AM
looking good ,and well researched !!  protototypical
Title: Re: Contemporary NW (Wigan Wallgate and North Western)
Post by: Newportnobby on June 13, 2019, 11:24:18 AM
Gotta love those curves :heart2:
(Oops - Liz Hurley's just sprung to mind..................again) :-[
Title: Re: Contemporary NW (Wigan Wallgate and North Western)
Post by: jpendle on July 01, 2019, 04:15:57 AM
So time for another update.

I've now laid the track for the Westhoughton/Atherton line round the curves and also for the track leading from the storage yard.

First everything was covered in plaster bandage and then given a coat of brown primer, I have to be careful here as too much primer will cause the XPS baseboard surface to disintegrate.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/79/3871-010719014657-79031589.jpeg)

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/79/3871-010719014701-790351522.jpeg)

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/79/3871-010719014658-79033390.jpeg)

I also masked all the existing track as the paint from those rattle cans seems to get everywhere.

This is the track leading from the storage yard.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/79/3871-010719014654-790291629.jpeg)

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/79/3871-010719014654-79029464.jpeg)

I was then able to complete the curves on the mainline and make a start on the complex point work around Springs Branch.
Getting 2 Tortoise motors positioned underneath the adjacent points was a bit of a challenge because, as you can see on the plan, they are followed immediately by 2 more adjacent points. I ended up cutting a section of baseboard out for both points as a single piece and then instead of halving the depth on the whole piece I stepped it so that the mounting rails on the 2 Tortoises could overlap. In this way, and by mounting the motors on the outside of the points, I was able to get them to fit, and. more importantly, to work.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/79/3871-010719014656-790311266.jpeg)

At this point, forgive the pun, I have had to stop as I only have 1 RH and 1 LH point left and I have had to order more points from Hattons so that I can get the track laid in some kind of logical fashion. I have also decided to simplify the layout here by abandoning the various points associated with Springs Branch itself. This will create a "simple" 6 track main, as I am also ignoring the Liverpool line.

As we have a four day weekend coming up over here, I hope the points arrive, otherwise I might have to start ballasting :(

Once I have the full main line in place then I'll review things to see where I have space for more storage sidings and potentially some rail served industry.

Regards,

John P
Title: Re: Contemporary NW (Wigan Wallgate and North Western)
Post by: crewearpley40 on July 01, 2019, 07:03:05 AM
Wow. To able to finish both westhoughton. Atherton and springs branch looks good. Thank you for the scenics update. This too looking good. Pleased with the result?