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Title: Tiree
Post by: The Q on September 18, 2017, 09:17:19 PM
Good evening, this is the start of an occasional thread, of my layout Tiree.

This layout was built into a room in the upstairs of a cottage on Tiree in the inner Hebrides  by a Mr D.H.Clarke. When he died it came to his sister in Norfolk, and then Mr Harry Nudd a member of Broadland MRC bought the layout. When I joined ( rejoined) the club I became involved sorting the electronics of this layout.
Sadly almost two years later Harry died, I offered to buy the layout from Harry's widow as her interest is London overground,  she has generously has given this layout to me.

So this layout is now dedicated to the memories of Mr Derek H. Clarke, and Mr Harry Nudd.


Hopefully below are a selection of pictures given to me by Harry's widow Hazel, taken of the layout when it first arrived in the club house. They were not taken for display but to show where every thing fitted.


(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/55/6067-180917211159.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=55945)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/55/6067-180917211531.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=55946)
There are several more pictures to follow once I've got the hang of posting them...
Title: Re: Tiree
Post by: Innovationgame on September 19, 2017, 06:33:19 AM
This looks like it could be a very interesting thread.  I look forward to more pictures.  Further info would also be appreciated, like a track plan and details of the electronics.
Title: Re: Tiree
Post by: The Q on September 19, 2017, 08:24:10 AM
Yes more pictures and some details of the electronics will be forth coming, there are about a dozen "as arrived" and a couple of the scenic work  / rebuild I have been doing..

Unfortunately My home computer which is windows 10 has taken a dislike to the N gauge forum and will not allow me to post pictures, so yesterdays pictures were downloaded from the email I received them on, onto the main computer. From there to the Network disk drive on the router, and from there to my Tablet computer. Once in the tablet I found the N gauge forum didn't at first find the pictures, but found lots of stuff I thought were deleted and according to the tablet are deleted..?!! Eventually I sorted that out and got those posted yesterday, very late for me...

As for a track plan I'll have to draw that up, one as was, and then as I intend it to be. So it may be sometime.

Back to the layout.

When I came to it, the entire undersides were covered in circuit boards, but nothing worked. There were however two A4 ring binders  of documentation. Wading through them it became clear that the layout had gone through several generations of electronics, and at the time of His Passing Mr Clarke was in the process of converting to DCC. At one time all those PCBs on the underneath of the layout had been in a separate box on the floor.

There were 11 power supplies in two control panels, every time he needed another supply he added another transformer and regulator. Also every supply to the layout had it's own negative rail none were tied together, which must have caused some interesting side effects.
So the first thing was to rationalise PSUs. I eventually got that down to 3 PSU's, (plus a DCC controller) and one control panel.

Then it came to the point motor system, it is a 5v switch on the control panel going to a PCB on which there may be up to 5 individual CDUs one per point motor. but if I pressed a switch then a point motor somewhere on the layout might move, but not the one indicated. I found out someone else had, had a play trying to get the layout to work. After much rewiring I got the right point to move with the right switch.

During this I removed many boards, track sensing had been incorporated in Mr Clarkes work, tying in points and signals. Unless you got everything right nothing moved.

We then exhibited the layout at the club open day and it worked well, but there are some odd
 "navigational problems"

After that show Harry decided to start rebuilding the layout for proper exhibition use, as it was only built to be used at home. He then discovered the scenery was built from layers of a Sundela like material, no wonder it was so heavy!! Harry spent some time sawing away many layers, and then replacing them with polystyrene.

He also wanted the layouts 2 main boards and upper sub-board cut into 6 pieces so it would fit into their car.  This required some rewiring and I found some wires were wandering all over each board coming back to near where they started. I also used the opportunity to rationalise all those extra negative rail wires down to the minimum required. After checking it still ran ok, I cut the rails where required, Harry inserted the necessary extra bracing, cut the boards and started working on replacement legs..

Sadly at that point Harry left us.



Title: Re: Tiree
Post by: Newportnobby on September 19, 2017, 10:18:51 AM
Sounds like you have your work cut out sorting a few things but glad progress is being made.
Nice of you to dedicate the layout to Mr. Clarke and Mr. Nudd (for some reason the name Harry Nudd is ringing a bell in my memory bank :hmmm:)
More pics will be nice but that is a convoluted route to get them onto the forum! :o
Title: Re: Tiree
Post by: Milton Rail on September 19, 2017, 11:54:00 AM
Sad and poignant story, pleased to hear that the layout will live on in the memory of these two gentlemen.  Your story about trying to fathom out the wiring sounds a bit like me when I need to work out an excel spreadsheet built by someone else!  Also a timely reminder to keep an up to date wiring diagram for my layout!
Title: Re: Tiree
Post by: The Q on September 19, 2017, 12:14:50 PM
It's unlikely you'll have come across Harry, a proper Norfolk Marshman he was, working all his life around the Norfolk Broads.

As for Excel Spreadsheets I have currently 7 up on the computer down from 14 a couple of minutes ago, I'm waiting for a resistor value to settle, so I can import the value into 6 Spreadsheets and then see if the graphs work out OK. Once the standard deviation gets below 1ppm then I can take the reading...

Ah... 0.6ppm
Title: Re: Tiree
Post by: The Q on September 19, 2017, 08:25:07 PM

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/55/6067-190917202314.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=55974)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/55/6067-190917202424.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=55975)
Title: Re: Tiree
Post by: The Q on September 19, 2017, 08:26:48 PM

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/55/6067-190917202559.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=55976)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/55/6067-190917202636.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=55977)
Title: Re: Tiree
Post by: The Q on September 19, 2017, 08:28:37 PM

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/55/6067-190917202745.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=55978)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/55/6067-190917202825.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=55979)
Title: Re: Tiree
Post by: The Q on September 19, 2017, 08:30:05 PM

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/55/6067-190917202930.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=55980)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/55/6067-190917202956.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=55981)
Title: Re: Tiree
Post by: The Q on September 19, 2017, 08:31:30 PM

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/55/6067-190917203058.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=55982)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/55/6067-190917203124.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=55983)
Title: Re: Tiree
Post by: The Q on September 19, 2017, 08:32:41 PM

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/55/6067-190917203210.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=55984)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/55/6067-190917203235.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=55985)
Title: Re: Tiree
Post by: The Q on September 19, 2017, 08:34:00 PM

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/55/6067-190917203326.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=55986)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/55/6067-190917203355.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=55987)
Title: Re: Tiree
Post by: The Q on September 19, 2017, 08:42:05 PM
And finally two photos after I've been getting at the layout, further layers of Sundela have been chiselled away and replaced by polystyrene coated with J cloth/ polyfilla mixed with PVA and water.
You can see the back scene board and behind that the back board which provides some of the box for the layout.
On the front is a hinged down board with a lift out section so it can close. I'll try to get a photo of that so you can see what I mean.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/55/6067-190917204102.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=55989)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/55/6067-190917204159.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=55990)
Title: Re: Tiree
Post by: The Q on September 19, 2017, 09:00:49 PM
And now a pretty picture of Scarinish on Tiree.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/55/6067-190917205643.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=55991)
As you can see there never was a chance of a railway there but I hope to get the scenery looking a bit more like Tiree.

And a picture of the abandoned radar building which is on the hill behind Scarinish. ( To the left of the pretty picture)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/55/6067-190917210015.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=55992)
Title: Re: Tiree
Post by: Newportnobby on September 19, 2017, 10:30:23 PM
Ta muchly for the extra pics. I look forward to seeing how this develops.
Title: Re: Tiree
Post by: Bealman on September 19, 2017, 10:59:32 PM
Wot he said  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Tiree
Post by: Innovationgame on September 20, 2017, 06:37:14 AM
We now have two hebridean island layouts on this board, which is interesting, because modelling a railway in a location that never had a railway lends itself to creating the sort of scenery that one might create for the ideal train journey.  I have been on long, real train journeys accross Europe, hoping for such scenery, only to be disappointed, so this looks like a really good ploy.
Title: Re: Tiree
Post by: Milton Rail on September 20, 2017, 09:28:30 AM
What a great starting point, look forward to seeing how you redevelop the layout - maybe you qualify for a grant from the Highlands & Islands Development Agency :)

The main output of the biggest spreadsheet I use is to tell me when I can next afford to buy another loco .... 


ahhh....  right about now  :claphappy:
Title: Re: Tiree
Post by: Papyrus on September 20, 2017, 10:23:41 AM
What a very interesting, if poignant story. Dogs and cats nearly always thrive after being rehomed (we have 3...), why shouldn't it be the same for layouts? I will follow this thread with interest.

Cheers,

Chris
Title: Re: Tiree
Post by: The Q on September 20, 2017, 11:05:55 AM
We rescued Ben the Border Collie a couple of months ago, maybe that should be Bheinn, as we are talking about Gaelic lands here, The Gàidhlig for Mountain is Bheinn
Title: Re: Tiree
Post by: The Q on September 21, 2017, 09:16:35 AM
If you observe on of the pictures of my modified layout , you'll see a white mat on the floor, and a little bit of black showing.
 That is the Club Superviser.
 Here he is...
http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=1724.msg464734#msg464734 (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=1724.msg464734#msg464734) (see reply 2574)
Title: Re: Tiree
Post by: The Q on November 12, 2017, 08:01:34 PM
A few pictures of the latest state of the layout, as you can see I've been having a flocking good time..

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/58/6067-121117200005.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=58051)
Title: Re: Tiree
Post by: The Q on November 12, 2017, 08:04:33 PM

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/58/6067-121117200327.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=58052)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/58/6067-121117200424.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=58053)
Title: Re: Tiree
Post by: The Q on November 12, 2017, 08:05:51 PM

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/58/6067-121117200545.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=58054)
Title: Re: Tiree
Post by: The Q on November 14, 2017, 06:21:56 PM
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/58/6067-141117181539.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=58122)
The above is a photo of the control panel, which Harry and I modified from the  two control panels the layout previously had. This panel was never completed, and now never will, as I am intending to rebuild the fiddle yard.  Also as I'm intending to make this a show layout the new panel will be much smaller.

The right hand half of the panel is that part of the layout I'm working on at present.

The branch line  is at the bottom of the panel which is at the back upper level of the layout, next above that is the small fairly useless fiddle yard that is hidden under a hill side.
Above that is the awkward over large station yard.
As you look at it, the dead end 4 lines on the left upper section are the passenger side of the station...

You can tell by my statements the things that I intend to alter while retaining the general plan.

Hopefully this will give you a rough guide to the layout for now.

I'm going to have to speak to SWMBO nicely to borrow her camera to get some decent pictures of the layouts current situation.
Title: Re: Tiree
Post by: The Q on November 25, 2017, 05:27:15 PM
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/58/6067-251117172331.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=58505)
Another small step forward in Tiree's rebuild.
Tiree has at least two stone circles of which one I intend to recreate on the central lighter grassed area shown.  http://www.megalithic.co.uk/article.php?sid=11032 (http://www.megalithic.co.uk/article.php?sid=11032)
Title: Re: Tiree
Post by: The Q on December 16, 2017, 08:00:48 PM
No pictures this week but oddments of information.
Further landscaping has taken place, so the viaduct earth works make more sense.

The initial backscene outline you can see in white has been heavily edited, there are effectively only two hills /mountains on Tiree, Bhein Hynish and Bhein Gott. I had many more than that on the backscene.

After much research on the net, I've been spreading tea leaves on the sea shore, hopefully next week when the excess has been brushed off and added a little varnish for wet look. Seaweed will have sprouted on the seashore.

The builder of this layout was Mr Derek Clarke, who worked for the Civil Aviation Authority on Tiree. He is recorded as living at Balemartine. Using Google Street view I went for a drive down the tracks, Then I noticed that one of the houses has a remarkable resemblance to one on the layout, was it his?

And a real oddment....
 In 1975 I was also working for the CAA so at the same time!!!  Though a long way away..
Title: Re: Tiree
Post by: scottishlocos on December 17, 2017, 06:03:13 PM
Hi

Interesting layout and quite a story to go with it good to see another Scottish based layout I often hear on Radio Scotland travel reports Oban/Coll/Tiree ferry service is affected by poor weather.

Do you have any plans to model the ferry or terminal

Regards

Dave
Title: Re: Tiree
Post by: The Q on December 17, 2017, 08:00:53 PM
I hadn't thought of modelling The CalMac ferry terminal. As I will be adding two boards to form an L shaped layout I will consider it.
A quick look on the internet shows its on a pier about 200 yards long. 600mm in N, a bit of modellers licence could cut that to 300 mm.
Which might make it possible.

Some research shows..

The main pier  was Built some time between 1912 and 1927. For WW1 ?
When the concrete bits were added I don't know, but possibly for WW2 as there was a huge military presence on the island.
The current ferry terminal on the pier was built in 1991, but reading a few bits about the previous terminal reports a turntable required to get cars off the old ferry which could be interesting.
More research will be required, and a lot of sketches on graph paper to see if it will fit.

I'm roughly dating Tiree in 1963 as I like steam..

I've been on CalMac ferrys many times myself  from Oban to Lochboisdale on South Uist
Or from Lochmaddy on North Uist to Uig on Skye.
Living on Benbecula from 1971 to 1975 and 1983 to 1985. Living in the Hebridies is part of my attraction to taking over this layout.

God created the world and all it contains.
But the Hebrides, they belong to Macbraynes...



Title: Re: Tiree
Post by: The Q on December 17, 2017, 08:56:12 PM
Doing some more research I've just found this article on the Tiree ferries a most interesting read.
http://meekwrite.blogspot.co.uk/2014/01/transport-to-and-from-tiree.html (http://meekwrite.blogspot.co.uk/2014/01/transport-to-and-from-tiree.html)

Some of the later ferries I've been on!!
Title: Re: Tiree
Post by: The Q on December 21, 2017, 10:26:00 AM
Ok so my research indicates the orginal Scarinish Pier was built in 1771.
 By the late 1800s Ferries were too big to get into Scarinish Harbour, passengers and cargo were being rowed from ferries offshore into the harbour.
In 1911 a new pier was started in Gott Bay, and completed in 1914. This is the main part of the pier in use today.

Ferries,  in 1963  MV Lochearn (Built 1930) was still in use, which is lucky because at 162ft, she was much shorter than her replacements (built 1964) which at 235ft were considerably bigger (and are the boats I remember).
144mm is a consderable saving in size  on a model railway layout!!

To unload cars from MV Lochearn  they were craned over the side by the vessel...
Here is a video of a sister Ship MV Lochmor
https://movingimage.nls.uk/film/4603?search_term=lochmor&search_join_type=AND&search_fuzzy=yes

Another connection for me... the sailing boat I sail in the winter was once sailed at..... Loch Earn sailing club...

Oh the big military effort of WW2 didn't use the pier much but used landing craft onto the beaches.  Landing craft are ******awfull in a rough sea. Im glad I wasn't in them..
Title: Re: Tiree
Post by: kirky on December 21, 2017, 05:59:01 PM
I believe Tiree has the distinction of being the sunniest, wettest and windiest place in Britain!
Cheers
Kirky
Title: Re: Tiree
Post by: The Q on December 22, 2017, 08:51:09 AM
I believe Tiree has the distinction of being the sunniest, wettest and windiest place in Britain!
Cheers
Kirky

Obviously stated by a sassanach on Holiday from mainland Scotland.

 Tiree has the record for sunshine in Scotland 329 hours in a year
But Eastbourne in England Has the British record at 384 hours.
 I can't find any other peak information for Tiree..

 Tiree has a comparitively high average windspeed 15 to 18mph, Similar to the outer Hebridies, So when the rain arrives with a squall, it arrives horizontally!!!

Rain is measured in lots of different way but the only record in Scotland is the 30 minute record of 80MM at Eskdalemuir in Dumfries and Galloway

The Wind Record is held by the Cairn Gorms at 173mph. However I know that RAF Saxa Vord in the Shetlands recorded 177mph just as the Radar aerial blew off and landed on the grass.  The Anenometer went at the same time, which is why it's not an official record..

I was on Benbecula in the mid 1980's when we had a gust of 126mph that caused damage to the Radar Aerial there at the time.. It was interesting driving down the runway in a minibus in the crosswind off the atlantic, which was averaging over 80mph...
Title: Re: Tiree
Post by: Lawrence on December 22, 2017, 11:36:57 AM
I believe Tiree has the distinction of being the sunniest, wettest and windiest place in Britain!
Cheers
Kirky

Obviously stated by a sassanach on Holiday from mainland Scotland.

 Tiree has the record for sunshine in Scotland 329 hours in a year
But Eastbourne in England Has the British record at 384 hours.
 I can't find any other peak information for Tiree..

 Tiree has a comparitively high average windspeed 15 to 18mph, Similar to the outer Hebridies, So when the rain arrives with a squall, it arrives horizontally!!!

Rain is measured in lots of different way but the only record in Scotland is the 30 minute record of 80MM at Eskdalemuir in Dumfries and Galloway

The Wind Record is held by the Cairn Gorms at 173mph. However I know that RAF Saxa Vord in the Shetlands recorded 177mph just as the Radar aerial blew off and landed on the grass.  The Anenometer went at the same time, which is why it's not an official record..

I was on Benbecula in the mid 1980's when we had a gust of 126mph that caused damage to the Radar Aerial there at the time.. It was interesting driving down the runway in a minibus in the crosswind off the atlantic, which was averaging over 80mph...

Fortunately they have their weather stations built by the company I work for now, recorded over 130 mph the other week, and our weather stations haven't blown away, yet!  The rats/mice/general wildlife do like gnawing at the cables tho  :veryangry: had to make up new cables for them a couple of weeks ago  ::)
Didn't know they had Q at Benbecula  ;)
Title: Re: Tiree
Post by: kirky on December 22, 2017, 01:06:33 PM
Ok, it was a throw away remark not based on any scientific data, merely heresay. However, I do believe Tiree is a very sunny, wet and windy place. Certainly windy, its a very popular windsurfing location.

cheers
Kirky
Title: Re: Tiree
Post by: The Q on December 22, 2017, 03:22:24 PM
It certainly is popular with windsurfers
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/59/6067-221217152056.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=59616)
I found this picture while looking at pictures of Tiree
Title: Re: Tiree
Post by: tutenkhamunsleeping on December 22, 2017, 03:39:33 PM
It certainly is popular with windsurfers

I’ve clearly had the wrong idea about the source of said wind for quite some time :worried:
Title: Re: Tiree
Post by: The Q on December 24, 2017, 10:55:13 PM
Ok, it was a throw away remark not based on any scientific data, merely heresay. However, I do believe Tiree is a very sunny, wet and windy place. Certainly windy, its a very popular windsurfing location.

cheers
Kirky
I wasn't trying to criticize in any way, my working hours are as a calibration technician, when i measure 1 volt, I'm measuring 1 /10 of a millionth of a volt, everything I do I have to do as accurate as I can. This tends to spill over into everything I do or say (type).

For instance with this inherited railway layout, even though there never was a railway on the island other than this layout, I'm trying to build all the modifications I'd do as near as possible to how Tiree looks, hence all the research into the island, the people and the ferries.

And the research brings up..
Nollaig Chridheil ( merry Christmas in Scots Gaelic)
Title: Re: Tiree
Post by: Lawrence on December 25, 2017, 06:23:33 PM
Ok, it was a throw away remark not based on any scientific data, merely heresay. However, I do believe Tiree is a very sunny, wet and windy place. Certainly windy, its a very popular windsurfing location.

cheers
Kirky
I wasn't trying to criticize in any way, my working hours are as a calibration technician, when i measure 1 volt, I'm measuring 1 /10 of a millionth of a volt, everything I do I have to do as accurate as I can. This tends to spill over into everything I do or say (type).

For instance with this inherited railway layout, even though there never was a railway on the island other than this layout, I'm trying to build all the modifications I'd do as near as possible to how Tiree looks, hence all the research into the island, the people and the ferries.

And the research brings up..
Nollaig Chridheil ( merry Christmas in Scots Gaelic)

As a fellow techie, can I just say, when it comes to your model railway, Rule 1 applies  ;)  I appreciate you are trying to capture the islands and a perfect 'what if' scenario, and this is where rule 1 comes in, you can never make anything 100% perfect (except your cals of course) so do what you feel is right, and it will be  :D
Title: Re: Tiree
Post by: The Q on December 29, 2017, 10:31:57 PM
Just  few more pictures of progress

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/59/6067-291217223012.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=59871)


(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/59/6067-291217223106.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=59872)

I've got the shade of blue right for the sky, it just needs lightening up, hopefully I'll do that next week.  Along with some adjustments to the removable sections.

Left to do on the first section,
Lighten sky,
I need to order fencing and window etches .
Repair the track,
Install a half relief Highland black house, https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackhouse. (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackhouse.)
Oh and I fancy a small footbridge across to the centre " island" to break up the vision of the track doing its 180., I think it needs a cheap looking ( in real terms not model terms) metal bridge

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/59/6067-291217223348.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=59873)
Title: Re: Tiree
Post by: The Q on January 06, 2018, 07:12:07 PM
Doing more research I've found Tiree actually had a railway. It was built with the 1913 pier, and ran down the middle of the pier . It was used to carry the freight.
Courtesy of the islands museum, An Iodhlann. Who have a surprisingly good web site.
Here is a picture of the motive power in 1930.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/60/6067-060118191158.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=60249)
Title: Re: Tiree
Post by: The Q on January 09, 2018, 09:24:56 AM
Further reseach and More Help from "An Lodhlann", has revealed that the layout has been in the N gauge magazine, for those who have kept them, it's issue 6/05 page 32  onwards.

Derek Clarke winning the Peco cup with Tiree, Best Layout Class K, from the N.G.S. 27 May 2006.

Note electronically there were major changes between then and when Harry received the layout.

 I'm just checking I can post the article on here, once permissions have been received, I'll put it on with added comments on the various stages of development.

This does mean by the time I get finished, there will be a very long article for the N gauge magazine, As I'll have to incorporate more background from Derek Clarkes the original article.
Title: Re: Tiree
Post by: The Q on January 31, 2018, 12:28:31 PM
I've been considering my Inherited Tiree layout, and the orginal builders text says the main station "Scarinish" was freelance. Whereas the branchline station " Upper Balinoe" was based on the West Highland line stations.
 I don't like the main station, as it doesn't look prototypical for anywhere, so I have been deciding what to replace it with, and my decision is... The Kyle of Lochalsh Station, not on the same line, but it has meaning to me as I used to get the train there to go to school in Inverness..

It'll still be labeled Scarinish though...
Title: Re: Tiree
Post by: Innovationgame on January 31, 2018, 01:16:59 PM
Will there still be ferries? I used to love the crossing, particularly when they introduced the new ones with the high passenger deck.
Title: Re: Tiree
Post by: The Q on January 31, 2018, 01:38:04 PM
There will be a ferry, but based on the ones that went to Tiree (MV LochEarn, MV LochMor), as will the harbour be based on the Pier in Gott Bay on Tiree.

Your ferries were after my time as MV Loch Dunvegan and MV Loch Fyne were introduced in 1991.  I travelled on the MV Lochalsh and MV Kyleakin which were only a year old when I first used them (1971).
Title: Re: Tiree
Post by: The Q on January 31, 2018, 02:09:29 PM
and finally today I've found a picture on the An Iodhlann (Tiree museum) web site of the Tiree railway, the horse must have had a day off..
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/61/6067-310118140819.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=61407)
Title: Re: Tiree
Post by: Innovationgame on January 31, 2018, 02:21:48 PM
Your ferries were after my time as MV Loch Dunvegan and MV Loch Fyne were introduced in 1991.  I travelled on the MV Lochalsh and MV Kyleakin which were only a year old when I first used them (1971).
I was thinking of the Kyle ferries back in  the sixties, but of course, they weren't anywhere near Tiree.
Title: Re: Tiree
Post by: The Q on February 10, 2018, 04:36:30 PM
I meant to take a camera to the MRC but for got, so all I can do is report this week's work.

A path was created to the house using ballast while I was at it I filled a few holes left by the removal of the many two colour signals.

I Then spent some time using freestone scene setters window sheets.to glaze the house, this was with some difficulty as it was built with the roof still there behind the Dormer windows.
After that a scalescenes stone paper was glued to a viaduct pier I'll inspect it next week when it's dried, it looks a little light at the moment so may need a dark wash.

A pack of Peedie models  fencing etches was inspected, Instructions read, I need some superglue. Another possible job for next week, fencing the house in.
Title: Re: Tiree
Post by: The Q on February 16, 2018, 10:11:10 PM
A couple of pictures of board 1
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/61/6067-160218220805.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=61993)
In the first. Picture you can see in the background the house, with the unfinished ruins of the black house to the right. Also showing the stone circle.

The second picture shows the stone circle more clearly,  also at the bottom you can see where I've been " concreting" at the end of the sidings I just need some buffers to finish that
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/61/6067-160218221009.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=61994)

 I spent most of this week's attendance of the Ben the Border Collie Appreciation Society,  cutting up scalescenes stone sheets and applying them to the viaduct piers. I'm not too impressed with my workmanship, but next week when they've dried and with a little more work they may come out ok.

I had hoped to do some work on the post and rail fencing but ran out of time...
Title: Re: Tiree
Post by: The Q on February 24, 2018, 07:12:30 AM
Not to much to report this week, the viaduct piers had their scalescenes paper trimmed to fit. Then I tried a dark wash, the first lost the stone print entirely, and had to be repapered.
The second helped, but the paint wash sat on top of the paper in bubbles. Eventually I found  dipping the brush in neat paint spread immediately with water worked best.
It may be a second wash is needed when the paper has dried.

So the piers are now roughly in place, drying, I'll have to clear the junk in the way, and then observe what it looks like in situ,. Currently I'm not sure if I like how it has come out .
I've always been a plasticard user in the past  and may go back to it
Title: Re: Tiree
Post by: The Q on March 05, 2018, 12:59:18 PM
After a flurry of emails Friday nights MRC went ahead, the roads had been cleared, alhough for me it meant driving though some two way roads reduced to single track by snow drifts. As we left the club later there was heavy snow falling but things had already started to melt...

Even though I'm not entirely happy with the viaduct piers I decided to fix them in situ.  So first I had to take a hammer and chisel to the layout to remove the old scenery around the piers. The old version had a girder bridge centre section which I thought unnecessary and had uneven pier spacing. The new version has equal spacing, which at 4.5 inches is more than enough for a road or river to pass...

As I had time left I found a most suitable red / brown  paint in my kit to paint the rails on Board one, a great improvement...

Whether much work will be done next week I don't know, as next Saturday the Broadland Model railway Club, N Gauge  layout " OMA Park" is at the Norfolk Railway Society's Poringland Show, ( just south of Norwich), details here... http://www.norfolkrailwaysociety.org.uk/ (http://www.norfolkrailwaysociety.org.uk/) and it may be transported there in my Landrover..

Having fixed the viaduct supports, I can  now complete Board 1, as the viaduct spans the join.

Todo, Board One.
Make bridge to Stone circle,
Complete Highland black house ruins,
Fit Buffers to sidings,
Plant electrostatically, reeds along the ditches (it hides the board joins)


Title: Re: Tiree
Post by: The Q on March 10, 2018, 07:07:36 AM
Last night's work went well, the old landscape had a 5 ft long brick wall support for the hill side, this is not needed with the new landscape so it was stripped from its old backing panel. I will reuse  much of it as part of a new over bridge that is needed.

More landscaping round the viaduct piers was done. I'm finding the viaduct deck very fragile. Some of the old glue joints are failing and some of the hand rails are breaking, next week I'll inspect it with a view to reinforcement.

The roof for the black house was modified for a better fit, and then a first layer of thatching stuck on, I'll go for another trial fit, before more thatching.

In the last few weeks Harry's widow has handed me a pile of new boxed  PECO points and a tube of flexible railway track.for which I am grateful, they were with the layout when they bought it. Much of this will be used in the new fiddle yard when I get to constructing that.

We had another prospective member attend, we now have almost double the membership of our lowest point since I've been a member.
Title: Re: Tiree
Post by: The Q on March 21, 2018, 02:54:38 PM
On inspection of the viaduct bridge deck, it was found to be two single decks and except for the join between the two,  most of it had never been glued together. So I stripped the whole thing into constituent parts.
 Then it was reassembled, but with the two decks reversed so the intact girders are on the outside. The broken  girders, now on the inside  have had plasticard reinforcement, this and the rest of the main parts of the decks have been glued. This Friday I hope to glue the two single track decks back together and then look at ballasting. Before painting the deck to give it 60+ years of life.

The thatching has been difficult, the fibre I have used is a bit stiff and hasn't bent where I need it, some triming may be necessary before covering with something thinner and more bendable.

Further thoughts have gone on about the main station, I have now a plan of Kyle Buildings But need to bring it into work to scan it, so I can read the tiny numbers.... I'm also thinking a vague copy of the access bridge to Kyle may be needed, to give a logical access road to Scarinish Station. So I have a rough Idea of the new road plan. The New Scarinish road bridge should I think be able to hide one of the board joins. This road would lead to board 2 and pass under the viaduct so I need to sort that plan soon.

One I've had a measure of the current layout at those points, I'll have to draw up a plan for you to peruse.
Title: Re: Tiree
Post by: The Q on March 24, 2018, 09:32:01 PM
Well, I scanned in Kyle station building and in N it works out as about 1ft 8 Inches long by 1 and 3/4 inches wide. It just fits.

The new thatching material has the look i want,  but very fiddly to lay,. Had more stuck on my fingers than on the roof, I'm going to try using an electrostatic gun next week. But the flattening it before it sets.

I'm still unhappy with the viaduct piers, another wash of grey lost most of the stone paper detail. I now have some stone plasticard and will try that on one pier next week.

The deck is now fitted and some painting done, I've now studied some viaduct decks, this type is not ballasted, but the rails / chairs are bolted to the deck. Some thin plasticard will be glued between the rails on the sleepers to imitate this.

touching up the mountains on the backscene, by adding more purple, brown and green. Has made them look a lot better.

I've started converting the article on the layout, which is in PDF format into Word. The article  layout was stuffed by the conversion, so that needs sorting.  Once done I'll split it into relevant sized chunks, and then update it with my comments. Then I'll inflict that on you..

I also need to inflict on you more pictures..
Title: Re: Tiree
Post by: Newportnobby on March 24, 2018, 10:00:48 PM

I also need to inflict on you more pictures..

Quite right. You do :photospleasesign:
Title: Re: Tiree
Post by: Bealman on March 24, 2018, 10:06:43 PM
 :photospleasesign:
Title: Re: Tiree
Post by: The Q on April 07, 2018, 07:51:41 PM
I had intended, to take photographs but little work was done on the layout, I bought an 8 drawer  plastic unit, to take the stuff  lying on top and below the layout as it was getting in the way.  There is still some sorting to do, but it's made it easier to work on the layout. I did a little plastic stone effect work to the viaduct piers but not a lot.

I went to the Norwich model railway show today , I got second hand , a Langley models BR class 4 built working but not quite finished, 1 carriage, half a dozen boxed mint wagons all at well under half new price.

It was noticeable though that  both new and second hand prices had increased a lot over the last year.

There were a several N gauge layouts  nothing spectacular but nothing bad either.



Title: Re: Tiree
Post by: weave on April 07, 2018, 08:53:45 PM
Hi The Q,

Have given 'thank yous' and keep meaning to reply but haven't so a personal Thank You for your lovely project. Like others, looking forward to the pics.

Cheers weave  :beers:

Title: Re: Tiree
Post by: The Q on April 14, 2018, 05:54:44 PM
Still no pics because I forgot to take the gadget with me.
This week's entire work was to clad the viaduct piers, that's done, I just need to find some filler for the odd join. Then it will be painting time.

Some etched brass fencing arrived, all they had in stock, but it's not quite enough. This will be the hand rails for the viaduct, as the old ones apart from being broken were an  unrealistic scale 2 foot high.
So hopefully I'll install the handrails on one deck next week before painting.
Title: Re: Tiree
Post by: The Q on April 20, 2018, 11:07:44 PM
I got this tablet out which has a camera, along with various bits that have arrived during the week and...
Left them on the side at home.. so still no pictures.
Any way,
The viaduct piers were filled and given a dark grey wash of paint they are looking much better.
The thatch was trimmed on the black house and given a brown wash, it's a bit dark at the moment I need to fade it a bit...
Discussions were made on fencing my preferred fencing could cost £40 per board, and there are 6 boards....
N gauge fencing post and wire is difficult in N but I need to find a way to do some that's cheap...
Title: Re: Tiree
Post by: The Q on April 22, 2018, 08:02:59 AM
A couple of minor things I forgot .
I folded up a Peedie models industrial footbridge, it looks just the job for the small bridge  to go across the railway cutting to the stone circle. I now just have to make the bridge foundations and add the legs.
I've bought a Vickers Viscount 1/144 scale aircraft. The normal aircraft for the period was the deHaviland Heron, but the only kit/model of that I could find was £58, the Viscount was £2.50.
However the Viscount was used occasionally by BEA to Tiree but normally was used  on the Benebecula, Stornoway, Inverness route. So i have used the Viscount to go to school.

I'm hoping to put a airfield cameo in a corner. Tiree's own airfield couldn't be modelled, it's huge. Being a former WW2 bomber airfield used to defend convoys from submarines. It has more runways than many international airports.

Title: Re: Tiree
Post by: The Q on April 27, 2018, 10:17:19 PM
Evening All,  a successful night at the MRC, the viaduct piers were given their last basic coat of paint and now just require some weathering.
The thatch on the Highland black house was toned down to a more aged straw colour, I didn't like it at first but as it dried it became much better. It too requires a little weathering.

A sheet of Peedie models fencing was cut from the fret and painted. This is for the house and black house area, the rest will have to make do with something cheaper..
I need to make about 10 ft of wire and post fencing for this board alone, the posts will be cut from broken railway track both rail and sleepers. I need some very fine wire or fishing line for the wire.
Hopefully now some pictures,
First from the beach across the freight yard to the viaduct.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/64/6067-270418220444.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=64718)

Second down the side of the viaduct.


(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/64/6067-270418220736.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=64719)

Third the real life viaduct it's based on


(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/64/6067-270418221708.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=64720)

As you can see the model is shorter in height, and still requires the hand rails, I'm just waiting for them to come back into stock to order enough to complete the viaduct.
Title: Re: Tiree
Post by: The Q on May 04, 2018, 11:11:47 PM
Evening All,
Well most of this week's work was soldering up the Peedie models industrial footbridge, more soldering than normal because I've modified it. I'm not to sure my soldering does the beautiful etching justice. I may try super glue next time.
I then cut up some scrap track to make fence posts... Then I happened to put a piece of rail next to some etched fencing.... The rail looks enormous...

Further thought went into looking for alternatives, and my eyes looked upon some track pins. 14 mm long so that's a scale 7 foot giving plenty of length . Now I just need some very fine wire or something like that, to string between the posts..

Ah a thought occurred, I've seen used somewhere before magicians invisible thread...


Now ordered.. isn't the internet wonderful...
Title: Re: Tiree
Post by: The Q on May 12, 2018, 04:37:02 PM
This week's work was the fitting of hand rails, there were seven sections used on each side, two on each side slightly shortened to match .  There are five sections to an etch.

Each section was removed from the etch, the ends filed smooth, but I left the two sprue attachments which are extension of uprights.. I drilled two holes in the viaduct and glued those in place. Plastic glue was enough , as the holes were tight to the etch.
Each section was superglued to the next.

In all this took about 2.5 hours., After some studying of appearance in place, and discussion with those present. I've decided to paint the hand rails red oxide, that should  stand out against the green and blue back ground without shouting like bright red would. The viaduct metalwork will be painted battleship grey, but then weathered. the unused side track bed is modelled on a wooden deck so will be creosote brown.

I'll need to go buy some enamel paints as I've found acrylic doesn't work well on brass.

50m of Kevlar magicians thread arrived for some reason wrapped round a giant playing card.. this with track pins will form the general track side fencing.. I'm thinking I'll layout the pins on something flat  and super glue the thread to the pins, but what to lay them on that won't stick to the glue?
Title: Re: Tiree
Post by: Newportnobby on May 12, 2018, 09:33:54 PM
I'm thinking I'll layout the pins on something flat  and super glue the thread to the pins, but what to lay them on that won't stick to the glue?

Have you got a piece of polystyrene you could stick the pins into sideways so you can glue the thread onto just the pins?
Title: Re: Tiree
Post by: The Q on May 13, 2018, 07:40:49 AM
I'm thinking I'll layout the pins on something flat  and super glue the thread to the pins, but what to lay them on that won't stick to the glue?

Have you got a piece of polystyrene you could stick the pins into sideways so you can glue the thread onto just the pins?
It's a possibility, but how to get the thread to stay in the right place vertically before it sets without glueing my fingers to the pin?
Had a thought,  ( yes that's unusual) look on the net,  polish on a hard surface. So I reckon a piece of glass with a layer of polish. I think there is a glass mirror tile around somewhere in the shed..
Title: Re: Tiree
Post by: Newportnobby on May 13, 2018, 10:25:06 AM
I was thinking more of the pins sticking out horizontally from the polystyrene and maybe winding the thread around once then onto the next 'post' etc before adding a drop of glue.
Might be a nutty idea :-\
Title: Re: Tiree
Post by: The Q on May 13, 2018, 02:53:01 PM
I was thinking more of the pins sticking out horizontally from the polystyrene and maybe winding the thread around once then onto the next 'post' etc before adding a drop of glue.
Might be a nutty idea :-\
I hadn't thought of that, good idea!!
Title: Re: Tiree
Post by: The Q on May 18, 2018, 11:02:12 PM
Well back working on the hand rails again, unfortunately they rapidly fell off the viaduct,  So this time I've 5 minute araldited them back on, then painted them with red oxide, the footbridge to the stone circle was also painted with red oxide. I think it's set them off well.

Also a lot of hole digging,well...drilling for Peedie models brass etched fencing round the house, this was then set in polyfilla..

Next week mass production of wire and post fencing using Kevlar thread and 1 mm square wire.

Also next week painting Ben the Border Collie, 2mm scale Ben that is. Along with a flock of white metal sheep. Something a Highland scene cannot do without.
Title: Re: Tiree
Post by: The Q on May 25, 2018, 11:13:18 PM
Well mass production was a bit over the top, I made about a foot of fence in two hours and not very well..
The Kevlar magicians thread is hard to see I had to wind  about 10 together to make it thick enough to represent fencing wire.

So to some pictures
First the viaduct with its new hand rails..

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/65/6067-250518230711.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=65675)

A general view of the layout croft end


(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/65/6067-250518230913.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=65677)

Close up of the fence I made today  and am not happy with.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/65/6067-250518231059.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=65678)

The new foot bridge with Peedie models fencing around the croft.


(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/65/6067-250518231256.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=65680)
Title: Re: Tiree
Post by: The Q on June 08, 2018, 11:41:10 AM
You may have noticed no updates for a couple of weeks,  well last Friday, I was collecting all the equipment for the 3 rivers Race (see "Sailing" thread). Yesterday I was told we have the 3 Rivers Race debriefing tonight. So there will be no progress tonight either. (free food!!!) I really do need to find some time to accelerate the rebuild...

 I have been thinking about about the fence construction though. I'm hoping to take a 3X2inch beam,  'cos I have some spare,  about 3ft long and drill a line of 1mm holes 20mm apart. This with a nail hammered in one end will form a fence template, just pop lengths of the 1mm square wire into the holes,  tie the thread to the nail, then tie to the posts...
Title: Re: Tiree
Post by: The Q on June 08, 2018, 02:40:08 PM
Just found a picture of the end of the layout that is featured above. This picture was, I think taken at our club open day, Just before Harry, Hazel and I started rebuilding the scenery. About the only thing still the same is the track and the rough position of the house.


(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/66/6067-080618143953.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=66197)
Title: Re: Tiree
Post by: The Q on June 16, 2018, 05:58:00 AM
We ie  Ben the Border Collie and me, went to the MRC last night.
 I spent about half the evening making the template for fence making.then made a 3 ft length of fence..it's an improvement but the posts still seem heavy.
. I did discover the square wire supposedly  1 mm square didn't go into a hole until it was 1.3mm in diameter. I have now found  supplier of a claimed 0.6 mm square wire. This will be ordered shortly..
I think now the template is made it will take about an hour to make a 3 ft length of fence....
Title: Re: Tiree
Post by: weave on June 16, 2018, 06:23:55 AM
Morning,

Think you should modify wet to went in your post otherwise you know what they're like on here.

You could always blame poor little Ben.  :no:

Good luck with the fence making.

Cheers weave  :beers:
Title: Re: Tiree
Post by: Innovationgame on June 16, 2018, 06:32:31 AM
. I did discover the square wire supposedly  1 mm square didn't go into a hole until it was 1.3mm in diameter.
The diagonal of square wire is 1.414 times the length of the sides.  You did well to get 1mm square wire into a 1.3mm diameter hole, but 0.6mm should fit rather loosely in a 1 mm hole.
Title: Re: Tiree
Post by: The Q on June 16, 2018, 06:51:59 AM
Thanks I'll blame the spell chrcker, I've just had a problem ordering the 0.6 mm wire. The spell checker kept changing the address line  "road" to regards. Also not until I ordered, did it come up temporarily out of stock it won't be delivered till 5th July at the earliest...I'm glad I ticked normal post not 24 hour delivery.
Title: Re: Tiree
Post by: The Q on June 16, 2018, 07:03:29 AM
. I did discover the square wire supposedly  1 mm square didn't go into a hole until it was 1.3mm in diameter.
The diagonal of square wire is 1.414 times the length of the sides.  You did well to get 1mm square wire into a 1.3mm diameter hole, but 0.6mm should fit rather loosely in a 1 mm hole.
Yes you are right I forgot that, either way  the 1mm wire seems too heavy, giving a real post size of 6 inches square.
 Having now found a supplier of 0.6 square wire which comes out at a real 3.6 inches square, A coat of paint and it'll be about 4 inches square the normal post size.
Title: Re: Tiree
Post by: kiwi1941 on June 16, 2018, 09:49:35 AM
Having now found a supplier of 0.6 square wire which comes out at a real 3.6 inches square, A coat of paint and it'll be about 4 inches square the normal post size.
Who is the supplier? B
Title: Re: Tiree
Post by: The Q on June 16, 2018, 05:31:18 PM
Having now found a supplier of 0.6 square wire which comes out at a real 3.6 inches square, A coat of paint and it'll be about 4 inches square the normal post size.
Who is the supplier? B
https://www.cooksongold.com/Base-Metal/Copper-Square-Wire-0.6mm-X-7.5m----Fully-Annealed-prcode-860-1247&query=0.6mm%20square%20wire&channel=uk (https://www.cooksongold.com/Base-Metal/Copper-Square-Wire-0.6mm-X-7.5m----Fully-Annealed-prcode-860-1247&query=0.6mm%20square%20wire&channel=uk)
Title: Re: Tiree
Post by: The Q on June 23, 2018, 04:37:38 AM
Well as I await the fence posts I had another flocking good time, more static grass as applied.
Some went as planned, the grassing of some of the disused track bed round the stone circle.
Some didn't. I attempted the use long static grass to fill some gully's to imitate reads and bullrushes.i bit northern the density nor the uprightness required,  other thought are required as to achieve this..
After that some track from which the rails had been used elsewhere  was cut up and trimmed to use the sleepers  in track buffers and to be left lying around scenically.
Title: Re: Tiree
Post by: The Q on June 29, 2018, 10:44:25 PM
Evening all,
This time the  first job was to hoover up all the excess grass from last week.
The grass that remained was better than I thought.
Then I cut and glued. Some sleepers to form some buffers.

Then I realised this is modelled on ,1963, so track maintenance was not as good as it have was. So more flocking around was done...

I think next week another photo or two is required..
Title: Re: Tiree
Post by: The Q on July 06, 2018, 10:19:16 PM
Sorry no photos because  forgot this tablet again.
Yesterday the thinner fence post wire arrived, it didn't seem that much different till I got it along side the original. So some fencing was done, in general I'm pleased with the new fence posts and the new "wire" between them. Only my own clumsyness means it's not as neat as I'd like.
I will practice by making more fencing next week.

The posts were painted brown and the wire grey to look a little better. It didn't seem to make the wire look thicker which was good.

I suppose I could have done more but we were too busy pulling up sandbags and telling stories.
Title: Re: Tiree
Post by: The Q on July 14, 2018, 06:16:14 AM
Morning,
Ben the Border Collie is in trouble ... He went investigating under a layout, got tangled in cables, pulled a solder station off a table... crash....the lights and everything else went out.
He took out the MRC rooms RCD,
The RCD for most of the building, and the RCD, in the workshop beyond that.

Ben's not getting any pocket money till the solder station is paid for...

It took about half an hour and a phone call to the sites owner to get the power back on.

Prior to that I got 1 length of fence made,  installed, and another started..
Title: Re: Tiree
Post by: weave on July 14, 2018, 07:19:35 AM
Hi The Q,

Sorry to hear of Ben's destruction.

I always find solace in other people's misfortune at times like this so to hopefully ease your pain slightly our border cross retriever Guinness has eaten two of my phones, the TV remote and my false tooth. The replacement tooth cost £200.

I'm a big softy so he was forgiven, eventually.

Don't be too hard on him.

Cheers weave  :beers:
Title: Re: Tiree
Post by: The Q on July 15, 2018, 03:02:50 PM
Just been to see "world's end" no not the  wonderful model railway but the real thing. I had to drive under to railway viaduct to my little brother's house..

It was his 50th birthday party...

When I got back I found an email to say the solder station was OK, so what caused it to trip the RCDs?
Anyway, Ben's had lots of cuddles and I haven't stopped his pocket money. We await the heat easing before today's long walk..
Title: Re: Tiree
Post by: The Q on July 20, 2018, 10:51:46 PM
Well I went to the MRC without Ben, he has been banned, on the grounds the club's insurance doesn't  cover him tripping someone up..I need to see what we've got covering him...

Just one length of fencing was done, due to me discussing a tablet computer and the arrangements for collecting a trailer, a black 5, and some deer. All from Harry's widow. I'll point out the trailer is 305mm to the foot, the rest is 2mm to the foot...

My fence building is improving.
Title: Re: Tiree
Post by: Newportnobby on July 21, 2018, 08:34:59 AM
Poor Ben. Unfair for him to be banned owing to potentially clumsy humans ::) ;D
Title: Re: Tiree
Post by: The Q on July 27, 2018, 10:21:25 PM
Well,  Ben less,  it was just me to the MRC tonight,  another stretch of fencing was completed.  I think for now, that completes this board number 1.  So in a fortnights time I'll swap boards,  I'll try to remember to take pictures of both this and the arriving board number 3.
The first thing on the arriving board will be, to layout the start of the new fiddle yard, then plan the engineering to support the start of Beinn Ghot under which the fiddle yard will hide. . Once that is done I can plan the bridges and roads that are needed on board 3 to continue  under the viaduct on board 2.
Title: Re: Tiree
Post by: The Q on August 10, 2018, 10:41:39 PM
Well I have some photos,
First is the layout as finished last time.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/68/6067-100818223051.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=68035)
As is picture. 2 from the other way

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/68/6067-100818223218.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=68036)
Picture 3 is the next board (3) propped up so I can remove the 14.led signal lights and their driver boards.  This board is the main in out wiring board for the whole layout,  I think you can see why it took me so long to get going after others had failed. There will be a major rewire once I get to that stage.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/68/6067-100818223721.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=68037)

Picture 4 is board three in place,  signals removed,  First task is to plan and fit the start of the fiddle yard in the unballested  Area of the board,  before I build a hill side to hide it.


(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/68/6067-100818224127.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=68038)
Title: Re: Tiree
Post by: Newportnobby on August 11, 2018, 12:19:55 PM
This board is the main in out wiring board for the whole layout,  I think you can see why it took me so long to get going after others had failed. There will be a major rewire once I get to that stage.

([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/68/6067-100818223721.jpeg[/url]) ([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=68037[/url])



Is it safe to come out yet, Mummy? :uneasy:
Title: Re: Tiree
Post by: The Q on August 11, 2018, 04:01:59 PM
Each of the blue capacitors is an individual  cdu to a point, they are  switched by a relay on the veroboard,  by a 5v signal switched on the control panel.
I've taken about 36 pcbs off the layout  so far,  mostly to do with track sensing,  and led signal drivers. With interfacing logic between them and the points.
I'm intending to keep the individual  Cdus , but switch  semafore signals directly from the control panel.
Title: Re: Tiree
Post by: The Q on August 17, 2018, 10:08:39 PM
Evening all,
I dug out the bag of points that came with the layout,  there is about 20 in there.  Unfortunately most are long Y s,  there were 3 medium lefts,  but what I wanted for the fiddle yard were 4 short lefts.  I feel an order coming on..
So a lot of this evenings work was cutting out the back board,  and attaching it.  Along with a short scenic back board that will hide part of the fiddle yard.
I also need to find my box of piano hinges so I can fit the front hinged baseboard.

Next week  hopefully  I'll have the four points to fit and the track from them to the end of board 3. Once that section of fiddle yard is installed then it's time to start building the foothills of Bheinn  Ghott.
Title: Re: Tiree
Post by: The Q on August 18, 2018, 05:00:49 PM
Went to the J50 group show today,  at Neatishead village hall,  3 tiny n gauge layouts,  but they were unfortunately designed to please children.

However I did come way with 4 BR period maroon carriages and few wagons at very reasonable  second hand prices.
Title: Re: Tiree
Post by: The Q on August 24, 2018, 10:29:09 PM
Well everything didn't go to. Plan,  mostly because I forgot the dremel, so the 4 points are loosely in place as is a metre of track,  but without the dremel I can't do precise track cuts nor drill holes for track pins.
 The cork underlay  was fitted, as was a short section of scenic back board,  the hillside was planned.
So next week I must remember dremel, cutting disks and drill bits.  Also 2 inch polystyrene  for hill construction  and two small bits of wood to brace between the scenic back board and the layout back board.
Title: Re: Tiree
Post by: The Q on August 31, 2018, 10:37:41 PM
Well I remembered the dremel  and the polystyrene,  but I forgot on Wednesday to buy the expanded mesh I'm going to use to terraform most of the hillside over the fiddle yard.

So five fiddle yard sidings laid and one lead in track.  Mostly using recovered track from the punters side of the layout.  Then the lower slopes of the hillside were laid with polystyrene and PVA. That's now weighted down till next week. Two bracing bars were cut and installed between the scenic back board and the actual backboard .

While sat contemplating the layout I realized that thanks to another track change I have two redundant  points I could remove.  This would give me two more spare point motors, and if recovered safely two spare points.  There is already another redundant point to remove. So I think next weeks work will be these track changes on the scenic side, and hopefully  the terraforming.

I also try to remember  to take some more photos..

Title: Re: Tiree
Post by: The Q on September 07, 2018, 09:55:39 PM
Well I forgot to take the tablet  to get more photos,  sorry.

What I did take Was The sheet of expanded aluminium, so after some trial fits and some trimming of polystyrene this was bent and fitted to Shape .

 I'm sure I saw a good pair of tin snips on the club tool wall, but no there weren't so a club member lent me his small pair.

Much cutting during which I noticed  some of the holes were filled with red stuff where did that come from?  Then I realized,  me,   the sharp edges had caused several small leaks in my hands. Another club member assisted by holding the mesh from then on, no further small leaks occurred.

The mesh was then screwed to the back board,  and weighed down onto the poly at the front.  It was propped up underneath to give the right curve,  after which several layers of my usual PVA / polyfilla /water mix pasted onto J cloths were applied.

Next week the weight should be removed,  then the front layers applied,   rock faces and track bed start to be formed
Title: Re: Tiree
Post by: The Q on September 14, 2018, 10:31:58 PM
evening all,  I remembered the tablet  , so here are some photos

First,  the hillside on board three,  the weight removed,  if you can see near the top there are some red splodges,  that's where my hands leaked last week...
This week all that bare polystyrene and the front of the hillside all the way along has been covered  in polyfilla and j cloths. The whole hillside had another coat as well it was still too springy.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/69/6067-140918221202.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=69045)

Second a long shot from board 2 to board three,  showing where the track comes off the viaduct to get to the hillside.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/69/6067-140918221400.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=69046)

Third a shot from the rear. Showing under the hillside.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/69/6067-140918221510.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=69047)

Once all that work of slartybartfast was done,  I turned ganger, at the start of the branch line there was a cross over,  but since on board one I had linked those two lines with a single point.  The cross over was removed,  then if you observe picture 1 , there is a siding near the hillside,  well most of that has been removed.  There will be just a single track that side of the platform you can see the empty spaces for the platform..

Next week,  the navi's work of creating  the cutting along the hillside will continue,  then the ganger will finish removing old track and hopefully start laying the new alignment.
Title: Re: Tiree
Post by: The Q on September 21, 2018, 10:39:45 PM
I'd been thinking of the shape of the hillside since last week,  and when I arrived I sat for at least 15 minutes looking at it trying to decide what was wrong. Then I realised it looked like  the had added an embankment along side the hill instead of cutting into the hillside as they would have done. It started snowing as polystyrene was carved to shape and fixed in place..
It was then covered in the usual PVA polyfilla mix ímpregnated  j cloths  ( I need to order more) with hollows and rocks formed.

It's now greatly improved,  but  after our tea break I spotted one error and thought of another on the way home. So next week more hillside work is required.
A small section of track was removed along with one point.  A realigned track and point will be fitted.

Just before leaving I was discussing with a club member  her future layout against the way Tiree is laid out.  When I realised the platforms were too narrow to have A rough representation of Kyle station on them.  After more discussions I've decided to put the station in  the foreground with a footbridge across the tracks.  It will sit across boards 2 and 3 hiding the board joins..
Title: Re: Tiree
Post by: The Q on September 28, 2018, 09:47:18 PM
I have a long drive tomorrow,  so all I did today was the two things I noticed last week.  Mostly making the hillside look more realistic.
While discussing the railway,  I can to a decision,  to single up more of the lines to look more Highland.  This will mean the removal of more points, the changing of a double tunnel mouth to a single,  and some of the old track bed  being filled in..
We also discussed  her metropolitan based line as she has now a bare outline of a plan.

Next week.  No modelling,  we be at the Jubilee Centre Aylsham sitting up for our show..
http://s643945335.websitehome.co.uk/annual-exhibition/ (http://s643945335.websitehome.co.uk/annual-exhibition/)
Title: Re: Tiree
Post by: Newportnobby on September 28, 2018, 10:36:00 PM
the changing of a double tunnel mouth to a single,  and some of the old track bed  being filled in..


Could you not block up one side of the tunnel mouth and have a short piece of overgrown track left there as if the track had been singled which, of course, it has?
Title: Re: Tiree
Post by: The Q on September 29, 2018, 05:53:44 PM
I will be doing that  for some of it,  but the Highland railway both the Kyle line and the Thurso line or come to that a lot of the main line down south to Perth was single track.  It was / is something that is identfiable as Highland..
This shot is of ravens rock on the Kyle line,
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/69/6067-290918175112.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=69561) I remember going through on the way to school, it actually looks about 1.5 tracks wide there but narrows behind the camera to single width..  so the top curved cutting on board 1 doesn't need much narrowing down.  Below that is the tunnel mouth I think I could swap that in a couple of 1 hour sessions.  One to remove and fit tunnel mouths plus polyfilla..  The other to paint up and grass.
More Time consuming  would be the viaduct, but I'll just not fit the redundant deck and make it look like they built the stone work for duel track but never used it.
Title: Re: Tiree
Post by: The Q on September 30, 2018, 04:22:53 AM
Just remembered something,  the Kyle line was built with an extraodinarily wide loading gauge.  The idea was to carry fishing boats from one side of Scotland to the other as the fishing season changed.  It never came off because as the line was beingbuilt and commissioned fishing boats moved from sail to steam. And got bigger.

So the other pictures I've seen must have been older  when the line went through ravens rock cutting down the middle.  The picture above must be after they gave up on the idea,  realigned the track away from the high side of the cutting.  And put the fencing down the side at normal clearances,  saving trying to fence over the top of a Rocky Mountain. 
Now that is an effect I can do quiet easily,  and put a few fallen rocks with undergrowth on the disused side of the cutting...
Title: Re: Tiree
Post by: The Q on October 08, 2018, 09:32:57 AM
No update on Tiree other than It has been on the floor..
Why?
Because the trestle table it was on was needed for our show. But it's back off the ground now.

Before I clamp the two parts I'm working on back together, I'll fit some ply endplates to the landscape now that  it's built up.

 The show went well, numbers were slightly down, why do people not come out to indoor shows when it's raining?

The standard of the N  Gauge layouts was  good, sadly no pictures I forgot the gadget again.. If there are any put up I'll provide links later..

A final decision on how to transport Tiree has been made, Some trolley wheels ordered, and if the weather is as forecast I can see me making the first one next weekend.. I must make a cutting list for the ply...
Title: Re: Tiree
Post by: The Q on October 12, 2018, 11:38:23 PM
Instead of putting small bits of ply on the interconnecting hillside I just plastered them up.
Some minor hill shaping was carried out by Slartybartfast. After which Dr Beeching removed another point and some yards of track, I did consider removing two more points and the interconnecting tracks. But that would have required branch line trains leaving their platform,   crossing onto the mainline and then back onto the branch line.

Though I've just had a thought on that and may yet remove them an examination of the track plan is required...
Title: Re: Tiree
Post by: The Q on October 14, 2018, 07:46:44 PM
One the things I've been considering is the transport of Tiree to shows.  The landrover although having a large load space is high up,  and has a comparatively small door.  I know from experience  getting layouts into it is difficult.

I have however bought a smallish trailer 4ft wide about 6ft4inches long. Inside.
So what I've decided  is three trolleys each 4ft long by 2ft wide.  Each of the trollies will have one section fixed on top and another stored inside. With additional space inside for all the accessories required for a model railway  show.
 When placed in order connecting beams will tie them together, and then all boards placed on top will clamp up.

So during the week I had a lot of ply chopped up.

This morning I had nagging doubts,  so I took one of the cut ply panels down to the trailer..  To find out it's  about 47 inches and 15/16th wide  inside . So what I've done is taken an inch off of the 9 panels. When assembled I'll fit a thin rubbing strake to protect the boxes in transit.  Luckily  the shortening of the trollies only mean slightly longer beams..
 
Title: Re: Tiree
Post by: Newportnobby on October 14, 2018, 09:25:15 PM
 ???

https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/trolleys

 ;)
Title: Re: Tiree
Post by: The Q on October 15, 2018, 06:50:32 AM
???

https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/trolleys

 ;)
Me thinks Oxford have for gotten the original meaning in them trying to be trendy..
Title: Re: Tiree
Post by: The Q on October 19, 2018, 10:22:20 PM
This week's work 7points removed,  along with their motors and a vast amount of wire.
 some short sections of interconnecting  track and one yard length removed.
Some longer pieces of track including  2 metre lengths  have Been loosely laid in place.
It now looks more Highland and less clapham. 
Next week Mr dremel will cut things to size exactly and the track will be pinned,  hopefully some reballasting  will fołow.
Title: Re: Tiree
Post by: The Q on October 26, 2018, 11:46:20 PM
Mr Dremel was very busy and all the main station tracks were cut and pinned in place.
Then I noticed the branch hillside was "on the Huh" which partly Was The table it's on so the legs were propped up by some ply..
The hillside cutting  had slumped in the middle so my pollyfilla PVA water mix  was used to level things out.

After that a member had brought in some very nice etchings of pre grouping  carriages.  Mostly Great Eastern.  So we had a bit of a discussion on that.

Next week  reassess  the branch line cutting,  final leveling, then cork trackbed , then track.
Title: Re: Tiree
Post by: The Q on October 27, 2018, 03:26:09 PM
Some work was started on the transport carriages, framing on the first carriage base installed,  mountings for legs installed.  Casters not installed I got the wrong size bolts,  I've just ordered replacements.  I would have done more but I had to build a lazy Kate for SWMBO...
Title: Re: Tiree
Post by: Newportnobby on October 27, 2018, 08:51:26 PM
I would have done more but I had to build a lazy Kate for SWMBO...

I had to Google that but I can see you're not spinning me a yarn ;D
Title: Re: Tiree
Post by: The Q on November 02, 2018, 10:36:37 PM
Evening all,
A, metre of track was laid from the viaduct end along the hill side , this is in a S bend,  and across a board join,  so took some time.  Then the last Pollyfilla work was done  and then the spare mix had browny purple mixed up in it and was used over the hill sides first to cover some cloth showing through then just as a base coat over the large area of white.

I haven't ballested the track yet because Next Week I'll start painting up for real.  First lots of grey rocks, then Heather,  then grass.  Before that I'll study some pictures of mixed Heather grass hillsides to get it right.

I have a couple of pictures to add  but I'm off the the Spalding show tomorrow,  so now it's time for bed. Goodnight.
Title: Re: Tiree
Post by: The Q on November 03, 2018, 04:53:13 PM
Just back from Spalding , a good show this year but even more crowded than usual.

I bought a second hand class 33, which isn't quite correct for the highlands, but Inverness had 26s and the west highland 27s both are similar so some mods would make it more appropriate.  Also bought,  3 BR mk1s and a suburban carriage.

And now for those pictures of tiree's latest changes.
First a view of some track changes,  the nearest  missing and intact line are the branch line.  The next missing and intact are the main line circuit.  You can see from the old cork track beds several removed points.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/71/6067-031118164258.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=71049)

Second picture,  track not laid on hillside  in basic white.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/71/6067-031118164858.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=71050)

Third picture,  track now laid some painted hillside in brown undercoat. White pollyfilla  still wet not painted

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/71/6067-031118165205.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=71051)
Title: Re: Tiree
Post by: The Q on November 09, 2018, 10:52:49 PM
Evening all,
Much rocky stuff painted grey,
Much hollows painted green,
Much horse hair painted purple various shades of, 

I only made a small quantity at a time,  when I needed more I'd add either blue or red getting a different shade use that then add the other colour next time to get another shade,  so the Heather won't be too uniform.

Next week I'll glue the Heather area on under weights and when weights removed trim to height , also next week the start of detailing  the rocks with different shades of grey..
Title: Re: Tiree
Post by: GreyWolf on November 10, 2018, 07:43:14 AM
Love to see some more photos, please!

Cheers  :beers:
Title: Re: Tiree
Post by: The Q on November 11, 2018, 06:37:36 AM
On the little island of  Tiree on the war memorial at Scarinish,  there are:
 65 names from WW1 and 20 from WW2.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/71/6067-111118063343.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=71393)
However from the whole island 290 were lost in WW1.

Also,  of service men from outside the island,
In  Soroby Cemetary there are 27 commonwealth war graves,
In Kirkapol Cemetory there are 2 commonwealth war graves,
In Crossapol Cemetary there are 4 commonwealth war graves.

We Will Remember Them.

Title: Re: Tiree
Post by: The Q on November 16, 2018, 11:18:02 PM
Evening all,
It's Friday night and it's Music err MRC night..
First Was The bad news all my purple Heather had turned black during the week...

Anyway I covered a section in glue then  Horsehair matting and weighed it down,

Then I went to the car park outside the MRC and scooped up some gravel. Gray granite chippings that is.  This along with very coarse sand from the beach was spread alongside the cutting in the hillside and glued.
Then I repainted the rest of the Heather purple again.
A PVA grey paint mix was applied  to the hillside on the above gravel  and a few places in Rocky places.

Now most of what I'm working on was wet.  So after considering it for a while I took a dremel disc to the viaduct piers and halved them.
I think they look a lot better for it.

Next week glue those piers back in place,  see how the compressed Heather is,  trim up and paint.  Glue on the the next section of Heather..

But first some pictures,
And the first is the viaduct piers loosely in place after cutting..

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/71/6067-161118231444.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=71572)

Second a view of the hillside  after today's work though still wet paint..
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/71/6067-161118231643.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=71573)

And the hillside from a different angle

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/71/6067-161118231743.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=71574)
Title: Re: Tiree
Post by: The Q on November 23, 2018, 10:51:20 PM
Evening all,
Tonight's work was hampered by the fact my tool box is in the landrover and the landrover is at the garage,  it's having a new back door, the rear axle rebuilt , plus MOT and service.

I did have polyfilla, paints and PVA.
So the list of work done in order of appearance.

Much of the hillside's rocks were lightened to get them closer in appearance to the previous  board.  Horizontal sections in the rock faces were painted green  eventually to be static grassed.

Heather...  It went black again,  alternative non water-based paint will be bought and tried.

Viaduct  the removed pieces were stripped to recover anything useful

Stood well back to get an overall look...  Not entirely happy..  The excavated rock faces are too "soft",  the higher ground is too rocky,  most rock faces have a "grain" to them,  and it's missing..

Work on the above will continue Next Week when I have studied  more pictures of the cuttings on the Kyle line.

The removed track areas between the branch line and main line have been terraformed with polyfilla to recreate the natural  ground.

That too will be continued Next Week..


Title: Re: Tiree
Post by: weave on November 23, 2018, 11:24:36 PM
Hi,

Sounds like you've been busy. When you say 'in order of appearance' am I missing something?  :D

Cheers weave  :beers:
Title: Re: Tiree
Post by: The Q on November 24, 2018, 07:10:12 AM
If you look on the net for painting Heather you definitely don't  miss anything....
Title: Re: Tiree
Post by: The Q on November 24, 2018, 07:36:38 PM
Most of today was spent continuing the build of the transport carriage for boards 1and 2.

I found I had previously  made an error in the design of the end door which lifts up to make part of the layout supports.  It gave a 1inch step to the supposedly  flat surface.  After some thought and searching through the spare wood pile a suitable batten was found to raise the top edge of the rest of the layout..  It surprisingly stiffened the entire carriage a lot.

Two legs were made,  the socket for the adjustable foot indicated for it's size I needed a 2.5 inch square leg, which is a hefty lump of wood to cart around (X8) so I used 1.25inch square 31 inches long.  To which I screwed four 4 inch long 1 inch batten bits around the bottom., to this is screwed the socket.  It looks like a bit like a square rocket with 4 boosters strapped round the bottom.

One leg for each door has a hinge on top and folds inside the carriage,  the other has to be removable as it would fold into the space where the internally carried section of the layout is, so it has a clip fitted to the top.

These adjustable feet  are meant to support kitchen cabinets,  and you can get clips which would normally hold the kick board below the cabinets.  I've screwed a set of these clips to hold the adjustable  feet on the inside of the door when not in use.

Tasks left to do,
Fit the lifting  handles when they arrive.
Fit the floor and side to the electronics bay  above the storage space for the internally carried layout board.
Paint the inside white,
Fill and paint the outside Highland Railways Olive Green

And then....

Screw  layout board one, on top, with a piano hinge down one side and catches on the other

And then...

Build two more
Title: Re: Tiree
Post by: The Q on November 30, 2018, 11:30:34 PM
Evening all,
Just back from the MRC,  with lower numbers this week due to sickness...

The Heather was dark blue this week so I've coated it with blue / pink mix of the new paint, we'll see how that works. However even with more trimming I still don't think it looks the  right shape.  The colour was good though when I left.

I attacked the cliff faces with a sharp knife to get more crevices I'm not sure that was entirely successful. With the carefully studying of Highland hillside cuttings I came to the conclusion  I had too many big loose rocks on the downhill side.  So most were removed, it's a great improvement. After that another different shade grey mix was painted over. I think next week it's time to introduce  some black and brown shading.

The folding side/ front scenery board was attached to board 3 and the main layers of polystyrene  PVA'd on, its now weighted down for the week.

Next week  I hope to bring back board 1 so I can set up the reshaped viaduct piers,  there is temporarily space in the club room before they start the next layout.

I had a thought  about a small cameo if I can find room for it. Peat cutting and stacking,  very much a Highland and island way of life if not on Tiree because they had exhausted the peat of Tiree in the 1700s and the Duke of Argyll gave the islanders permission to cut peat on the main land.
 I can remember  on the school bus children getting on and if the weather was good it would stop and drop them off at the peat cuttings.  Then pick them up on the way back home.  If it was bad weather they went to school...

Title: Re: Tiree
Post by: The Q on December 01, 2018, 05:27:34 PM
I've been shown some excellent work by southern42 aka Ray and Polly on the Camel Quay layout on rmweb ( page 29 post 720 gives the best view and information )   This  showed his modellled Heather,  using dyed lichen,  and a almost dust like beads of the correct colour glued on.
 much better than my efforts so far.  Hence an order for said lichen has been placed.
Title: Re: Tiree
Post by: The Q on December 02, 2018, 07:30:12 AM
I've been thinking of the current main station design as I'm not happy with it and realised what's wrong  is that it has two island platforms.  Island platforms are as rare as hens teeth on the highland railways or the west highland lines. Also the platforms are narrow not allowing station buildings on them.

This means I can choose to,
1 keep the layout as it is and design a building and foot bridge that's not quite west
and or  Highland.

2 move the feed in to the branchline to after the platform, keeping the current pair of main line tracks through the middle. Making a island platform an outside platform.

3, remove one of main lines and a island platform replacing it on to outside of the branch line moving the branch turnout to after the station. This would give the wide Cess that is a characteristic of the Kyle line.

Then to the station building after much sketching I've decided that the Kyle station doesn't work for the available space. 
I fancied Strathpeffer station but the ornate station awning I think is beyond my modelling skills. 
So at the moment Stromeferry station is favourite,  while it still had an overall roof,  is my favourite,  unusual enough to provide interest,  but simple to build.
Title: Re: Tiree
Post by: The Q on December 04, 2018, 10:09:20 AM
apple green
light apple green,
olive green,
light olive green,
moss green,
light moss green,
quaker green
brunswick green,
Scotch green
and improved engine green.

All colours I've seen associated with Highland railways locomotives main body colour!!!
There are 8 colour plates in the book Dathan an Gaidhealtachd, Highland liveries.
So I've chosen one and am attempting to paint the travelling carriages in a shade near one of them. I've painted the outside in a modified paint colour (as an undercoat)  that I've attempted to match to the colours, it's not quite there yet I need to buy more yellow to mix in..

Also in that book, the lineside paintwork colours, very useful that..

The electronic bay inside was constructed in the first carriage., just had an Idea how to do the control panel, drawing will commence shortly to see if it will work..
Title: Re: Tiree
Post by: The Q on December 07, 2018, 07:59:33 AM
I was studying Highland railways locomotives last night, and came across HR number 56.
 Designed by Willaim Stoodley for HR, who went on the design the terriers for the LBSC..
If you see here https://chasewaterstuff.wordpress.com/category/steam-locomotive-classes-of-a-leisurely-era/page/16/  and look down the pictures. You'll see the definate family resemblance.
 I feel the purchase of a secondhand LBSC terrier coming on, along with the sharpening of some craft knives...
Title: Re: Tiree
Post by: The Q on December 09, 2018, 05:37:31 PM
We're  back,  for which I am grateful, I hope the shift of server is successful.

So Friday,  I took  board 1 back to the club, after putting up another trestle,   attached it to board 2 then tried to place the viaduct in situ,  it took a bit for chiseling of the "ground" to make the piers fit, once done, pollyfilla was poured into the foundations and left to set.

After that, the track no longer needed on board one was removed,  previously lifting track was easy, just wet the ballast to loosen the glue, pull a few track pins and up it came.  This section was absolutely solid,  and had to be chiseled away.
 This allowed a single track  tunnel mouth to be installed,  also set in place with polyfilla.

Then the removable  section of scenery (over the tunnel)  was pollyfilla 'd  to match the new tunnel mouth, though this will require adjustment Next Week.

I was going to take board one back home, but was told I can leave it a few weeks as the next club layout to be built won't be needing the space till after the festivities.

Next week I hope to adjust the removable section to fit and then take a photo or two for you. Then colour matching will occur,  between the boards.. Particularly the grey rocks..
Then I hope matching tracks on board 1 with the new layout of tracks on 2 and 3.


Title: Re: Tiree
Post by: The Q on December 10, 2018, 06:57:08 PM
I've been trying to bid for a stroudley terrier on the bay of Es, strangely, they seem go for less than a tenner off the new price (excluding delivery in both cases), which is ridiculous.

There appears to be a new issue of terriers sometime between January and April next year,.  I think I'll choose  the one nearest to the old highland prototypes and do a pre-order
Title: Re: Tiree
Post by: The Q on December 14, 2018, 11:11:55 PM
Evening all,
Just back from the MRC,  where we were slightly better attended this week.

Guess who forgot to take this gadget to the MRC tonight take pictures.

During today,  I put the final coat of paint on  layout carriage 1, unfortunately Ben decided to help by wagging his tail over some of the wet paint.  Some removal of fur and repainting will occur tomorrow.

The rails from board 1 now match board 2,  the only difficulty was the embankment for the branch line at the board joints hollow and wasn't meant to be a board join.  It took a while to tailor two bits of wood  to fill the hole,  then glue and screw them in place.

The removable  section was then trimmed to fit over the new tunnel mouth,  after masking up, more pollyfilla mix was applied for the final fit.

Some of the The lichen was trimmed and glued to the hill side, it's on the pink side of purple  so some blue will be applied  Next Week.
Then I'll compare the horsehair Heather to the lichen Heather and decide what to next.

A few rough trial placings of points has proved to me the layout of the station. I will cut back the current branch line past the station to be a platform siding for the branch line . The current main line track will be have a point inserted to lead to the branch line .

Reading up on highland railways there point rodding was normally boxed in to keep the snow out,  since I'm hiding some of the board joins.between boards 1and2 with a signal box,  much of the rest of the join will be hidden by the point boxing in.


Title: Re: Tiree
Post by: The Q on December 17, 2018, 11:43:12 AM
Nothing to do with  Tiree But...
Posted on South Australia police Force face book pages a couple of days ago...

My cousin

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Title: Re: Tiree
Post by: weave on December 17, 2018, 11:51:24 AM
Hi The Q,

Don't know what to say really. How awful for your family for so many years. Hope someone can help, even just for peace of mind.

weave.
Title: Re: Tiree
Post by: The Q on December 22, 2018, 12:14:26 AM
Well as far as I know nothing came from the fresh appeals about Glen.

I know he hadn't taken to his families move to Australia  a few years before,  part of his planned visit to the UK was to see about about  a possible move back bere.

Back to Tiree.
The planned move of a layout carriage to the MRC didn't happen because of the rain,  and it's still bucketing down now.

After doing anything bit of pat testing for the club the following work occurred.
The layout was tidied up and hovered.
Some pictures were taken,  to follow  tomorrow.
Masking tape was removed from last week's pollyfillerng, this was then sanded and after a bit more filling done.
Rock were painted grey
Future grass was undercoated green
Some track was removed at the station to allow insertion of two points,  this done, work on reinstating track around the points has not yet been completed.

Next Friday,  I hope to take two layout carriages to the MRC and fit them to the layout.

Title: Re: Tiree
Post by: The Q on December 22, 2018, 08:19:00 AM
 Can't upload pictures this morning,  I guess upgrades are going on.
Title: Re: Tiree
Post by: The Q on December 24, 2018, 08:09:33 AM
Let's see if photos will load this morning...  ERr no it still says my pictures are not a valid format.
Title: Re: Tiree
Post by: Bealman on December 24, 2018, 08:20:25 AM
Yes, it's a bit of a pain. I'm having the same problem.

Members are posting pictures and video's using dropbox and stuff like that,  but it's out of my comfort zone, so I'm waiting for the new gallery.
Title: Re: Tiree
Post by: The Q on December 24, 2018, 04:49:26 PM
Well,  I've managed to add a picture by using lots of compression which I didn't need to do before.
Anyway, this is a shot of three boards together for the first time in over a year.  You can see the viaduct piers have been halved, and the hillside ahead.
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/72/6067-241218164315.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=72622)
Title: Re: Tiree
Post by: The Q on December 24, 2018, 04:55:10 PM
This is a picture from the other direction,  you can see the singled,  main and branch lines, the double tunnel mouth replaced by a single, the new embankment hiding some of the old brick wall and track bed.

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Title: Re: Tiree
Post by: The Q on December 24, 2018, 05:15:38 PM
And the current look of the hillside,  some way to go yet..

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Today Ive also almost completed  layout carriage  2, so hopefully I'll have two carriages to take to the MRC on Friday.
Title: Re: Tiree
Post by: The Q on December 28, 2018, 11:08:27 PM
Hopefully  another picture,  this shows that I have delivered to the club, two of the layout carriages.
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And another showing board one mounted in place.


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After the installation I made like General Wade,  and built a road on board 2, and started landscaping  the front scenic board of board 3, which also includes a road.  Both roads are of course still in white,  they'll need leveling  and the ditches digging either side before  painting.
I need to finish board two though, then that can be stored beneath board 1, then board 4 can be brought in to install on the second carriage.
Title: Re: Tiree
Post by: The Q on December 29, 2018, 06:42:32 PM
Carriage 3 is almost complete,  just a third coat of paint,  then handle fitting and fitting the sockets for the feet.  One minor problem,  I've run out of 20mm screws,  I've used over 700 so far!!!  Another 500 ordered, though I only need about 100 for the above and fitting layout boards to the top with piano hinges.
Title: Re: Tiree
Post by: The Q on January 04, 2019, 10:57:13 PM
Evening all,
I had planned to move boards 2 and 3 onto the carriages tonight,  but the club had decided to move another layout from one side of me to the other,  so my planned move became impractical.
So I got the grass gun out,  doing some small bits on board 1, around the footings of the viaduct on board 2, and the main hill area above the railway,  on board 3.

It's made a huge improvement in the looks of the hillside.
 I'm using a mix of 2/3 spring green grass and 1/3 a darker summer green grass.  With odd patches of one or the other to provide some variations.
I'll need to order some more spring green though, I've used 1/2 a Box. I also want to order one of those mini Hoover's,  to recover a lot of the loose green,  the club mini hoover is too dirty..

Title: Re: Tiree
Post by: The Q on January 11, 2019, 11:19:41 PM
Well the planned move onto the second carriage was done. Reconnecting  the layout was difficult as I'm on top of a drain cover and the floor is very uneven.

Tonight I ballasted the singled branch line on board one and grassed some of the ex trackbed of the main line.

Then brown was added to the board 3 rock faces,  mostly along the edges where the peat and soil would stain the rocks.
After the tea break with reduced numbers at the busy club,  I painted the outside of the layout highland green to match the carriages.

Next week,  more ballasting,  more grassing,  and I'll see how the brown staining is when dry..
Title: Re: Tiree
Post by: The Q on January 18, 2019, 11:27:44 PM
Evening all,
Tonight's work was: mostly on board 1
Hoover up all the excess grass from previous efforts.  I've bought a mini hoover just for this purpose  so I can recover and reuse the excess. The club has one I'll just use for cleaning plaster dust and ballast.
 ballasting  the now single track Main line.
Removing one point and fitting two from that line into the fiddle yard
Touching up the grass
Fitting three removable support brackets to carry boards 1 and 2.
Second coating the back of the backscene to match the green of the carriages

As I had a bit of time left I started grassing the odd bits of the cliff faces on board 3 that would grow grass.

Next week
Major grassing session on board 2, final touch up on board one.,  more cliff face grass on board 3.

I've ordered some green waterproof cloth to make covers for the layout,  and to hide the open areas between the layout carriages,  so the first cover will be measured  up next week.

I received today a tube with some Scottish region colour, vinyl totem stickers I'd ordered, the top line says, "Scottish highlands and Islands, N gauge "
The middle line says "TIREE"
The bottom line says" in memory of Mr Derek Clarke and Mr Harry Nudd" the two consecutive previous owners of the layout..
The sticker look good and will go on the lighting pelmet when built.
Title: Re: Tiree
Post by: The Q on January 25, 2019, 11:01:06 PM
Evening all,
Just back from the MRC where photos were taken,  they will processed tomorrow hopefully then posted here.
Board 1 on its carriage was disconnected from board 2. A piece of ripstop green waterproof cloth was then cut to size to fit over the top of board 1 and carriage.
When it returns home next week SWMBO will tailor it to exact shape.

After that much grassing was done on boards 2and 3. Then a polystyrene and pollyfilla rock was created to fill a space vacated by track.

The layout will be seen in public  for the first time since I've been hacking at it..  This will be at our club open day, on 26th May 2019, at Hoveton village hall.  Our club building is too small to display all the club and members layouts.
I doubt I'll be running the layout but should have all six boards on display and I'll be doing something modelling....  While kilted...
There will be at least two n gauge layouts running,  plus two 00 running  then the other layouts including 009 and 0 which may or may not run.
Title: Re: Tiree
Post by: The Q on January 26, 2019, 04:14:52 PM
And now for some pictures...
First board 1 note singled track

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Board 2 note  vinyl Tiree totems in background


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Board 3


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Three boards together


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Title: Re: Tiree
Post by: port perran on January 26, 2019, 04:35:03 PM
Looking good.
Can I ask what that little red bridge is on the left over the track please?
Can’t quite make it out from the photo.
Title: Re: Tiree
Post by: The Q on January 26, 2019, 05:51:16 PM
The bridge is a peedie models industrial walkway,  modified with some of the sprue as supports... http://www.peediemodels.com/proddetail.php?prod=PMPE33087 (http://www.peediemodels.com/proddetail.php?prod=PMPE33087)

I've made the assumption that access would still be required to the stone circle after the railway was built.  So a cheap bridge was supplied,  it would also be used to herd sheep across to keep the grass short.
Title: Re: Tiree
Post by: The Q on February 01, 2019, 11:53:12 PM
evening all,
Board one is sitting outside in the trailer,  its on its carriage which was loaded up first thing at the MRC.  Just as well  it was covered up well, as we had a hail storm shortly after.
Board two had it's road sanded, then it and any other bit of pollyfilla showing was painted grey.
Board 3 last week's excess grass was hovered up and then static'd to New bits of hill side.
Then much Heather was planted using PVA /blue acrylic  paint mix,  to tone down the rather pink "Heather " , this will be give a short back and sides Next Week as it's a bit tall.
After that some brown trails were painted for the sheep to follow.

Some grass topping up will be required  near the Heather,  then some green washes over the grass to give it more variety...after that  It's time to comply with the railway regulation act 1842 section 10, IE time to put some fences up....
Title: Re: Tiree
Post by: The Q on February 08, 2019, 10:53:29 PM
Tonight I first made like granddad and ballasted some track.,.  He was a ganger..

Some hovering of excess grass was done.  Before laying some more.
Then fencing was installed, more to do.

the Heather was given a short back and sides,  it looks s lot better now..

I need to find the box of removed buildings,  there's a cattle dock in there that needs fitting, / painting/ making look more realistic..

Title: Re: Tiree
Post by: The Q on February 09, 2019, 04:12:52 PM
Today board 6 was started,  a 1200mm by 600mm piece of extruded polystyrene was cut,  timber inserts glued into the corners and the 10in back scene board glued on the back.  It's all now sitting weighted down to set for the week till I can continue.

meanwhile the kilt is hanging on the door,  ready to be put on for a party tonight..
Title: Re: Tiree
Post by: The Q on February 15, 2019, 10:41:23 PM
 :sorrysign: I did take the gadget down to take some pictures,  but by the time I had glued some fencing in place and propped that up.   Then fitted the first platform glued that in place and weighed it down.  You couldn't see much of what I'd been doing.

 Addition to that I repaired one of the inserts  that hide the hinges. Then made an alteration to board two,  so it looks like when they built the station a  road was diverted.

I did then just give a wash coat of grey over the, rock face repairs,  the  fencing and the ex road. Also a wash coat of green on what will be some grass areas left over green was used on some large rock areas just to give some contrast in the grey,

I reckon I've got another two or three evenings left to do on board 2 until the scenics are finished
One thing I've forgotten  to fit was a cattle grid,  very common they are in the highlands. I've not seen an N gauge model of one,  so I need to look at some pictures and work out how to model it.

Title: Re: Tiree
Post by: The Q on February 21, 2019, 12:17:16 PM
Hmmm.. Ive been playing with the drawings and to operate the layout at shows as I want, Tiree needs 8 to 10 lanes in the fiddle yard...
By the time you build the ladder of points each end that you would need there is not a lot of room for trains...
It's looking more like I'll need a 2ft wide traverser, that transports separately.. and bolts between two boards at 45degrees..

More sketching going on..
Title: Re: Tiree
Post by: The Q on February 22, 2019, 10:29:03 PM
Evening all,
Today was one of those days where a little bit of work suddenly brought the look of the board together.
All I did was lay a thin layer of polyfilla down across the vehicle side of the goods yard. Cover that with ballast well tamped down then cover that with a thin grey paint PVA mix.
This covered several changes to the yard.
Then I painted the fencing and suddenly  wow that's what I want...

Left to do on board 2
Make some wire and post fencing for the front and back of the layout.
Hoover up excess ballast  from the above work.
I need some gates for the yard entrance I forgot to order them..

Still thinking about the traverser, I've got it down to two possibilities,  now time to get scale drawings done...
Oh I took a couple of photos,  I'll post them tomorrow when processed..
Title: Re: Tiree
Post by: The Q on March 02, 2019, 07:27:33 AM
Oops I forgot to post the photos last week.

Board  2 almost finished
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/74/6067-020319070506.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=74612)

Board 3 most of platforms installed


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This week no direct news from the layout,  as I'm in Scotland for a family funeral.

However  I've been further considering the fiddle yard , a traverser it will be,. The design caused some problems as it has to be under the hillside of board 6, and within the 2ft of layout carriage width.
The design I've come up with has the rollers fitted to the carriage,  and the bearing surface on the traverser. By extending  the bearing rails so that the traverser can pull almost out of the carriage. I can use the full width of the traverser.  Pushing it fully in, the bearing rails should slide under the display side of the layout.

The above means board 6 will be built directly onto carriage 3, in open frame construction style,  not as I'd planned in extruded foam...

I can get just about 3ft in length,  and about 1ft width,  for the traverser deck.  So I think that will give about 7coaches + loco, on maybe 10 tracks.
Title: Re: Tiree
Post by: The Q on March 08, 2019, 11:16:03 PM
evening all,
Fencing, lots of it,  1yard of 3wire fencing made and installed
10mm of 3d printed fencing installed,  which doesn't sound alot but that's meant the gates to the goods yard now fit.
Another gate was also fitted in the goods yard, 
All the above will need painting  next week

Another decision has been made about the alternate reality that is Tiree...  1923 grouping and 1948 nationalization never happened...

So post 1923 the bigger companies did take over some lines but started closing many loss making ones..

Post 1948, governments  start subsidising  lines they want kept open.
Many lines close but more slowly.

Highland railways stays independent profitable until alternate road transport  started happening in the sixties and seventies  with road  improvements. Then subsidised

So basically we end up as the same situation as we are now,  but with the surviving old companies owning the track as well.

So old steam survives while new stock is bought from major manufacturers because it becomes uneconomic to build new at lochgorm.

So diesels come in from the same manufacturers as supplied to early BR
Title: Re: Tiree
Post by: The Q on March 15, 2019, 11:09:43 PM
 :-The scenery that last weeks fencing was fitted to is removable for transport.. Guess who managed to break it while getting it ready to move.

So board 2.which it belongs to is now in the landrover, the bit of scenery is sitting on a very bare board 4.

I has hoped take some photos before board 2s departure and before I started on board 4 But the camera software failed on this tablet.  I've had to bring it home and reload the software it works now.

Board 4 is very bare because I've removed 10points and almost 10yards of track. When I start relaying about 4yards will go back on,  but only 2points..
First however,  the board needs attaching to the carriage,  the hinged front board needs attaching to board 4. Alignment bolts need fitting along with clamps to attach board 3 to it.

I've been studying n gauge couplers , my favourite in EM is the dingham couplers,  but that's not available in N..
So I'm looking at spratt and winkle or maybe something with bent wire.

Rakes of coaches will be permanently attached together so I think I'll fit screw link. For them..

Title: Re: Tiree
Post by: The Q on March 17, 2019, 07:48:37 AM
My order of spratt and winkles from wizard models arrived Saturday morning,  not bad less than 24 hours after ordering.  Since then I've studied the current n gauge version instructions which are slightly different to the version I used 40years + ago in 4mm scale.

It looks easier to construct than the dg/bb/mbm

A couple of victims will have to be selected for trials..
Title: Re: Tiree
Post by: The Q on March 18, 2019, 10:58:35 AM
I mentioned my tablet not taking pictures but as it happened a club member was taking pictures to update the club web site, http://broadlandmodelrailwayclub.co.uk/ (http://broadlandmodelrailwayclub.co.uk/)
 so one slightly out of focus picture later we have...

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/75/6067-180319105738.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=75085)


I like this out of focus, you can't see my errors...
Title: Re: Tiree
Post by: The Q on March 22, 2019, 10:43:58 PM
track laying did not commence as the same as last Friday I couldn't find the pack of points... so I cut three pieces of ply,  one for the back of board 4. And two matching pieces for the hillside ends of boards 3 and 4. They're not complete yet as I didn't have my jigsaw with me.
Two clamps were fitted to hold boards 3and 4.together although the location pins  aren't fitted yet
Board 4 was screwed to its hinge to its carriage
Next week I need to bring polystyrene sheet,  the location  pins and the platforms,  a search party will set out tomorrow.
Oh five minutes to pack up I was looking for some stick on Heather and found the track pack.. Didn't find the Heather though..
Title: Re: Tiree
Post by: The Q on March 29, 2019, 11:04:07 PM
I tried to load board two inside the carriage of board 1...
Problem is I'm a KOS,  lifting 3ft of heavy board while lying on your side proved very difficult and painfull .. Much thought has gone on since.
Solution,  use hinges and pivot the loose board over the top of the fixed board.  I just hope the loose boards are shorter than the fixed boards...  A trail awaits delivery of the hinges..

Tonight's work,  the back board and the end boards between boards 3and 4 were completed , then screwed and glued in place.  Two layers of polystyrene were glued and weighted down at the base of the hill side . Decisions have been made on the station size and bridge at one end..
After that I knocked the tool box over blades. And track pins everywhere..

Must take this gadget Next Week more pictures are needed..
Title: Re: Tiree
Post by: The Q on April 05, 2019, 10:44:53 PM
Evening All,
A very successful evening at the well attended MRC.
First I decided to make and end plate for the as yet in built hill side.
Sketched onto a piece of plywood using various known heights and positions . The join the marks as a reasonable looking hillside shape.
Jigsawed that out then used it as a TemPlate for the next board.
Glued and screwed that into place.

That showed I needed a third inch of hillside polystyrene along the front so that was glued on

The a sheet of expanded metal was cut to size 13inches by 34inches.
Down one long side A 1/2.inch was folded over then hung over the backscene board.
That was screwed into place and the rest bent and folded into a hillside shape.
Two layers of j cloths coated in a mixture of PVA and polyfilla were the applied over the top.  The front edges weighted down.
This has now been left to set.

Next week it will require  more reinforcement,  then some more polystyrene glued on top in places to form a cutting. 

Photos Next Week hopefully..

Title: Re: Tiree
Post by: The Q on April 12, 2019, 10:33:58 PM
Evening All,
As you would expect I'm just back from the MRC,  with pictures so you should see them tomorrow.
First I made lots of snow,  that's is I cut lots of polystyrene up.  I needed to make a ramp up between the railway and hillside for road access to the bridge.
The station is very loosely based on Kyle and Stromeferry both of which have bridges at one end of the station and it's a handy way of concealing a, board joint

This was followed by more snow making to produce the cut away hillside for the upper track. Once that was all glued down,  the usual mix of filla water and over was applied to j cloths covering it all up and hiding any joins.
Then a thick mix was applied to start creating rocks.
That all needs to set before I can continue.

Tomorrow is the Norwich MRC show at hellsdon school,  that will be followed by a trip to the museum of the Broads which has an event on remembering to 60years since the closure of the Yarmouth and North Norfolk Railway
Title: Re: Tiree
Post by: The Q on April 15, 2019, 06:34:31 PM
I promised  some phots
It's about time I posted them.
First just starting on board 4

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/76/6067-150419183205.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=76239)


(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/76/6067-150419183359.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=76240)


Tiree board 3+4

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/76/6067-150419183531.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=76241)
Title: Re: Tiree
Post by: The Q on April 19, 2019, 10:20:37 PM
Evening all,
Much pollyfilling carried out as the second stage of shaping rocks was carried out.
Then the bottle of left over paint which is a grey colour,  was deployed so all the rocks were given a initial grey wash.
Two slabs of 1inch foam are weighted down on the board 4 flap. If I remember Next Week I'll take another piano hinge and attach it before some basic rock shaping of the foam.

Next week,  the above plus green undercoat for the grassed areas, more rock painting.
Title: Re: Tiree
Post by: The Q on April 26, 2019, 10:22:04 PM
Evening all,
Board 4 was moved 5 inches on its carriage, I needed 4, but 5 meant the piano hinge screw holes lined up so only two new pilot holes were needed one end.
Board 4.scenic flap was attached to the front.. Mostly..  I forgot to take a piece of wood to strengthen one side. The foam weighted down last week was carved to make a section of Scarinish harbour much cut down in size. More polystyrene was added in some places to remove the flat earth look.
Another grey coat of paint was applied to rocks and a green undercoat coat applied to those areas that will be static grassed.

 
Title: Re: Tiree
Post by: The Q on April 27, 2019, 02:19:38 PM
 Two Highland Railways banking tanks have arrived,  one with chassis one without. Both appear to have been well made.  They have good paint jobs which is unfortunate because they are both painted LMS and I want HR.
Title: Re: Tiree
Post by: The Q on May 03, 2019, 10:32:53 PM
evening All,
I remembered the bit of wood to day another front scenic flap is properly attached.
After that the polystyrene on the flap was plastered with my usual mix of j cloths PVA and plaster .some shaping of rock was also done,  also two polystyrene scenic inserts were plastered.

Next week the inserts can be... Inserted  and the scenery that crosses from front flap to main board adjusted to look as one..
Title: Re: Tiree
Post by: The Q on May 10, 2019, 10:26:39 PM
Evening all,
The inserts were inserted.. With a bit of trimming,  a little more needs doing,  and some building up in some places.
Another layer of polystyrene was added at one end of Athens board 4.insert as it was found to be too low to match the main board,  after trimming to shape it got coated with the usual mix. Left over mix was used to give a more natural  uneveness to the tops of the flap boards.
Then waste paint from the leftovers bottle,  which is mostly grey was deployed on all. Rocks and the flap front edges,  after which some light green was painted where it's not grey except on the future beach.. left over green was added tontge waste bottle..

Much talk of our open day 26th May Hoveton village hall  10:30 - 16:30, we're having to charge £3:50 entry  to cover the cost of the hall. Should be a couple of N gauge running and Tiree under construction,  an 009,  and several 00 gauge, our second hand stall,  plus tea. Coffee and cake for sale. http://broadlandmodelrailwayclub.co.uk/club-open-day/ (http://broadlandmodelrailwayclub.co.uk/club-open-day/)
Title: Re: Tiree
Post by: Newportnobby on May 10, 2019, 10:48:19 PM

Much talk of our open day 26th May Hoveton village hall  10:30 - 16:30, we're having to charge £3:50 entry  to cover the cost of the hall.

erm - web site states £3.00 adult entry (just to show I'm paying attention in class)
Title: Re: Tiree
Post by: The Q on May 11, 2019, 05:02:48 PM
 Err yes I think I got that wrong,   still,  that means it's an even better bargain to come and visit..
Title: Re: Tiree
Post by: The Q on May 12, 2019, 03:23:06 PM
I may have mentioned the layout will travel in a trailer , I've spent today and yesterday building the hard top.  This is roughly  4ft above the trailer sides so giving about a 5ft head room on the 6ft by 4ft Trailer..
The hard top Is 1/4 ply framed with 2 by 1 timber. All exterior joins were taped with fibreglass
The outside is painted green, the inside white.
I've  the rear door to finish because I ran out of screws,  to paint a ramp and make a mount for it on the front of the hard top.
Title: Re: Tiree
Post by: The Q on May 17, 2019, 10:31:19 PM
the screws, another pack of ten piano hinges and a staple and hasp for the trailer door arrived the next day just 18hours  after the order...

Evening all,
This week's work was more polyfilla narrowing the gaps between inserts and front  flap,  and a lot of static grass work.  Not much work on the layout really. This was mostly because I pat tested 20 extension cables ready for next Sundays open day.  I did have a bad feeling about one cable when I turned over the socket on the end and it said.... Empire made... It failed...

Oh I've taken some more piccies  I should process them tomorrow.
Title: Re: Tiree
Post by: The Q on May 24, 2019, 09:51:58 PM
Evening all,
Just back from the MRC where very little modelling was carried out by anyone,  ,mostly because everyone was packing up the model railways ready for the open day on Sunday.
We actually have access to the hall from 15:00 tomorrow,  so we'll be moving in the layouts then.
So tomorrow morning I have to attach the stays to the trailer that will stop the upper rear door landing on my head.
Then load the trailer with the layout sections I have here. Then after lunch head for the MRC to load up with the stuff from there. Then off to the hall.
Title: Re: Tiree
Post by: The Q on May 25, 2019, 07:43:46 PM
 Well most of the layouts are installed in Hoveton village  hall, for tomorrow's open daya couple of pictures,  first the hall itself,  second Tiree all boards together..
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/77/6067-250519194244.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=77791)


(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/77/6067-250519194333.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=77792)
Title: Re: Tiree
Post by: Newportnobby on May 25, 2019, 08:36:01 PM
Looks a very neat arrangement.
Anyone on guard duty tonight? :uneasy:
Title: Re: Tiree
Post by: The Q on May 26, 2019, 06:08:53 AM
Looks a very neat arrangement.
Anyone on guard duty tonight? :uneasy:
None,
 Hoveton is a small town population 1800, not the huge metropolis of market deeping  population 6000.
Title: Re: Tiree
Post by: belstone on May 26, 2019, 07:39:27 AM
Looks a very neat arrangement.
Anyone on guard duty tonight? :uneasy:
None,
 Hoveton is a small town population 1800, not the huge metropolis of market deeping  population 6000.

How infuriating.  I have to work today, otherwise I would come and see the layout.  It's less than an hour away. Good luck with the open day, hope you get plenty of interest.

Richard
Title: Re: Tiree
Post by: The Q on May 26, 2019, 08:00:53 PM
Thanks,  the day went well,  we had a huge amount of visitors until heavy rain slowed the flow at 13:00 ish.
I did a fair amount of carpentry and polystyrene carving .  Then cleared the snowstorm  before opening time. After that I plastered the newly created hillside aka seagull rock,  aka Scarinish.  Then it was onto painting the landscape.

There were many interruptions as I explained the history of the layout and many enquired as to my landscaping methods. Some demos of static grassing were also carried out. This tablet has pictures of Tiree and the abandoned radar station  which were used in the demos..

The much mentioned carriages for the layout were a great success,  the legs for the lift up doors/ layout supports  were a failure.  A redesign using inter carriage beams is being considered.

Also the loose boards were to be mounted on their side in the carriages.  This means lying under the doors on your side to pull them out. Not good.  They will now be pushed in from the back mounted up the right way.

Even with the problems above,  I cleared the layout and all the modelling materials on my own. Then hit the road in 45 minutes while there were teams still packing smaller layouts by assembling them into board over board transport units.

I think the next club session or two will be spent doing major surgery to the carriages in light of the above problems . Once done this should reduce assembly and disassembly
 time further.
Title: Re: Tiree
Post by: The Q on May 27, 2019, 08:13:38 AM
 further thoughts..
The as yet unbuilt proscenium arch, will need a redesign as the old design won't fit in the carriages with the layout boards horizontal.

Three of the six inserts to the folding sections rolled over in transit, damaging the scenic side, holders are required but how? .

The door frame to the trailer hard top is flexing too much, some reinforcement is required.
Title: Re: Tiree
Post by: The Q on May 31, 2019, 09:40:49 PM
Evening Awl,
Well nothing was done on tiree tonight,  I had a meeting about the 3 Rivers Race.
Tomorrow is the start of the 59th running of the 3 Rivers Race, 100 sailing boats from 14ft to 40ft . Sailing a course of 50 miles which includes lowering your mast 4 times to get under 3 bridges. And you have 24 hours to do it. The record is about 8 hours, the worst only 13 boats finished.
It's classed as the toughest inland waterway race in Europe the 3rd toughest mass participation event in the UK. Here's a video clip which shows an introduction the start of the race and near the end going through Potter Heigham bridge. I'm in there somewhere, but this year I'm one of 100 ish volunteers helping to run the race.. I'll be on a boat
on hickling broad counting the boats round the turning point. Radioing the details back to control.  I'm leaving here,  08:00 I'll get back probably Sunday 15:00 having not been to sleep.
 https://youtu.be/mnWHWgAnXGI
Title: Re: Tiree
Post by: The Q on June 07, 2019, 11:31:00 PM
well no work on the layout this week either. As we had a debrief on the race.
It itself went well,  about 70 finishers of the 102 that started. The winner finishing in under 8 hours the last boat home in about 22 hours we have had enquiries about next years race already.

We unusually had a 999 incident,  one husband failed to secure a mast and it fell giving a glancing blow to the face of his wife.. I doubt he'll ever be not reminded of it by her.

One thing came out of that.. Ambulance crews are not allowed even onto a moored boat without the presence of a lifeboat crew and the fire brigade..our own rescue boat crew and our  people at that site got the casualty ashore from the moored boat for the ambulance to take away.  Luckily the two man crew of our rescue  boat included a GP.

All. Our guardships include at least, first aid trained people. Each of the 10 guardships a 30ft motorboat,  has an accompanying rescue boat. I with others man a  guardship / rescue boat pair,  for the duration of the race with radio contact to base, full first aid gear.  Maps to getting designated ambulance pick up points and lists of emergency procedures ( with training).

 It's the first time in years it's been needed,  but I just listened to it occurring 10miles away on our radios.
Title: Re: Tiree
Post by: The Q on June 12, 2019, 07:57:34 AM
And back to muddling railways..

As I'm sat here unable to move while waiting for a 10 G Ohm resistor  to settle, (7 such measurements to do.) I've been considering the proscenium arch / light pelmet.

I's occured to me that as I have just over 5 foot head room in the trailer and the highest point on the layout is about 4 ft . I could have the pelmet permanently mounted, on  sliding brackets to the back of the layout.

So when in transport it's slid down to just above the layout, giving a total height of about 4ft 8inches.
Then when the layout acheives it's position at a show, slide the pelmet up to 6 ft at it's bottom edge, and pull the front out to inline with the outer edge of the dropped  flap.  it's done..

Considerations at the moment,
Is aluminum tube needed for strength?
What clamping mechanisms are needed or would  pins / bolts do the job?

Measurements will Be taken and maybe an experiment or two over the weekend

Layout / arch combinations are an interesting topic, many are built as a layout "coffin" with the arch built in of wood. (easy for transport). Especially with the advent of laser cut baseboard kits.

 If you have the layout base at say 4 ft so a average height person can see through the "slot",  then children and wheelchair users can't see the layout.

If it's low enough for wheel chair users then the top of the arch means the average person has to duck to see the layout and can hit their head on the pelmet.

 The above is why I've not converted Tiree into a "coffin" layout.
Tiree will have the base level is just over 3ft, and the pelmet base no less than 6ft, so I don't hit my head.

Title: Re: Tiree
Post by: Newportnobby on June 12, 2019, 09:28:31 AM
Reminds me of the 2 Chinese shopkeepers........

Me So Lo - can't see over counter
Me So Hi - head bump ceiling
Title: Re: Tiree
Post by: The Q on June 14, 2019, 10:00:59 PM
Well carriage 3 had the slot cut in the side,  then the shelf for it fitted inside.  the board that wil Go inside is inside.  But it's not finished yet,  as the shelf sides have yet to be fitted. I would have done those but some guests turned up and I lost too much time talking to them.
Lots of measurements have been taken  for the pelmet and supports.
Problem.. The only place for two of the supports is in the way of the triangular infill on which the radar station  should stand.  The radar station will have to move,  but as yet I haven't worked out where to.
Title: Re: Tiree
Post by: The Q on June 21, 2019, 10:24:46 PM
evening all,
Sides to first shelf fitted
Hole cut in another carriage
Reinforcement and support battens fitted
Shelf In place but not yet glued and screwed 
Next week
Sides to be cut and fitted.
Start fitting pelmet  supports.
Title: Re: Tiree
Post by: The Q on June 28, 2019, 10:53:27 PM
Shelf fitted and sides.
Pelmet support fitted,  failure, too thin wood battens but if I increase the size of them then that will cause fitting problems.. More thought needed..

As I had the saw out, I cut the initial wood for the baseboard for a micro layout being made by the lady that gave me Tiree..

Most of the evening spent pulling up a sandbag and telling stories.
Title: Re: Tiree
Post by: The Q on July 05, 2019, 10:37:53 PM
Evening all,
The carriage mounted verticles for the pelmet were fitted on one carriage with same wood but thinner screws.  The sliding verticles were inserted and the top joined between the two and 8inches below that for reinforcement.
This took longer than I'd hoped, as I did need to stop and think..
Next week I should do the other carriage , and start fitting the pelmet on the first on...

Next week I should also remember this tablet so you can see some pictures of what I'm on about..
Title: Re: Tiree
Post by: The Q on July 12, 2019, 10:34:35 PM
Sadly just the verticles on the other carriage were fitted as the club had a prospective member visit,  and my saw is noisy

So I'll. Make a kit of parts this weekend from the measurements I've taken and install them next week..
Title: Re: Tiree
Post by: The Q on July 19, 2019, 10:30:53 PM
Evening all,
A huge step. Forward on the pelmet front, there are now two carriages with pelmets fitted,  one still needs corner reinforcement,  then both need sanding filling and painting.
The outsides will be HR olive Green,  the insides white..
Picture Next Week now I have something to show..
Title: Re: Tiree
Post by: The Q on July 30, 2019, 08:42:00 AM
Notes, are a bit late this week as we had a lightening strike nearby, and all 5 houses at our end of the village have had their routers fried.. This is being typed at work while I wait for the next measurement to settle..

On Friday I painted the pelmets twice, they dried exceedingly quickly in the heat. Then I attached two of the vinyl Tiree totems, it looks quite good.

Sat during the intermediate waiting time I was studying the problem of the inserts to the lift up flap sections. They get damaged in transit as they tend to roll over..
I was coming to the conclusion that they either needed fixing down some how or needed a transit box. when another member said why not get rid of the hinges and just have the flap and insert as one plug in module..

I originally had the hinged sections when I thought they would be transported in boxed units. Now they are on carriages, the hinged sections are not needed. So next time I may well be removing them and rebuilding the inserts and flaps into one unit. per board.  I have an idea on how they will be attached, but further thought will be required.

One measurement taken,

When the next time is I'm not sure, next week from Saturday is Regatta week, for which I'm on rescue boat duty all 7 Days.  I'll Probably go on Friday for a reduced time, but won't attend the following Friday. As regatta week is two race series Saturday on the Broad  followed by a meal / social event, 4 Race series of  Sunday on the Broad, followed by a social event. Monday to Friday is 6 Race series on the river (see top two web cams) followed by A social event mostly with a meal.

 A race series is up to 10 starts at 5  minute intervals, each race being an hour from your start, so a race series can last 2 hours. Each start could have 20 boats in it though more likely 10 boats ..

 If you want to watch the chaos we cause on the Broads, 09:30 - 17:00 Monday to Friday you'll see us on here https://horning-sailing.club/webcams.php
You won't normally see me as I'm on duty up round the corner in the right hand top picture.

Next measurement taken, time to set up for the next one... Bye for now...
Title: Re: Tiree
Post by: The Q on August 02, 2019, 10:06:55 PM
Well I did attend for a short time,  two coats of light blue were painted on the inside of the pelmets  but it needs more.
That's it, more from me in a fortnight,  regatta starts  tomorrow..
Title: Re: Tiree
Post by: chrispearce on August 02, 2019, 10:11:01 PM
have a grand time. The Regatta sounds fun. Hopefully you won't have to do lots of rescuing. Look forward to your updates. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Tiree
Post by: The Q on August 16, 2019, 10:25:29 PM
well the regatta went well,  my only rescues were a 45ft hire boat that drifted down onto some of our moored yachts,  I had to pull his bow off, so he was pointing away from the yachts before he could engage his engine.  Then I had to go back colkect his crew who had gone onto the yachts to stop the rear of their boat hitting the yachts.

The other rescue was a small Day boat that had a fuel blockage, they had broken down where there was no phone signal so couldn't phone the yard for help.  I towed them to the club,  where someone then took the crew back to the yard..

Back to todays modeling,  a 34mm square beam was glued and screwed to the previously hinging scenic flap, two interlocking plates were screwed on and the matching plates screwed to the front of the layout. Then the flap was hooked on.... And it works..

So the insert had a section  cut out to match the beam then the insert was glued with PVA polyfilla mix and the join filled.  Some sanding and filling will be required next week

A second. Flap had it's beam attached and it's insert modified to fit but not yet attached

I really must take this tablet Next Week so you can see the changes...

Tomorrow  the M&GN show at North walsham...
Title: Re: Tiree
Post by: The Q on August 23, 2019, 10:41:49 PM
Evening  All,
Good progress made tonight,  two of the former flaps had joins filled in,  the second former flap was attached using the interlocking plates. I did remember this gadget,  so tomorrow when I've processed the pictures,  you'll see the plates,  the layout wihth or without  the flaps,  and with the lighting arch in both up and down positions.

I also have started sanding the roads they were much too rough, and I noticed too wide for single track highland roads. Some filling in will be required.

PS I notice this thread has been seen over10,000 times you lot must be bored...