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Title: Warrington Bank Quayish
Post by: KiraKat on September 14, 2017, 04:58:39 PM
I thought it was about time I made my first proper post about my new layout, it is going to be based upon Warrington Bank Quay, although time will tell how an exact copy of the station and surrounding area it will become.

the layout will be 4.4 metre by 1 metre in size consisting of 3 individual baseboards so that it can be moved or stored away, currently all three boards have been made and I'm working on making the legs for each one, I also need to decide if I am going to have the station section raised as it is with the prototype, I'm unsure if my rather rudimentary carpentry skills are up to the task! Below you can see the current state of the base boards, they need a bit of sanding but otherwise im pretty happy with my first bit of woodwork in more than 10 years!
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/55/5640-140917165609.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=55841)

Below is the current track plan, it will possibly change in the coming weeks as I'm not happy with the current fiddle yard but it is using points that I already own and can't find another use for currently.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/55/5640-140917165402.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=55840)

I would be extremely grateful if anyone with pictures or information of the surrounding area could link them to me, being nearly 700 miles away in a different country hampers my ability to get a lot of the details of the station today accurate!

Title: Re: Warrington Bank Quayish
Post by: njee20 on September 14, 2017, 05:25:27 PM
Looks good! There's a thread on RMWeb here (http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/112088-warrington-bank-quay-the-northern-approach-oo-dcc/) from someone doing the northern end in OO, some photos in there that may be of relevance.
Title: Re: Warrington Bank Quayish
Post by: KiraKat on September 14, 2017, 05:33:59 PM
Oooh I shall have to look at that, thanks for the info!
Title: Re: Warrington Bank Quayish
Post by: chris86200 on September 14, 2017, 05:40:28 PM
hi kirakat

The station consists of two island platforms.Passengers enter the station at street level through a functional modern entrance containing an information office and ticket office, and proceed through a subway, reaching the elevated platforms by stairs or a lift. There is a buffet on the eastern platform.

Platform 1 is serves arrivals and departures to Liverpool Lime Street with this service terminating at the platform, and occasionally for North Wales services.

Platform 2 is generally used for North Wales services, and southbound services to Birmingham New Street and London Euston.

Platform 3 serves northbound trains to Edinburgh and Glasgow Central. Platform 4 for services from North Wales to Manchester.



The station's best known landmark is the huge Unilever detergent manufacturing plant which stands overlooking the site. Warrington Bank Quay is the town's WCML station, situated next to a giant soap works and slightly to the north of Arpley yard. part of the station bridges the 'Low Level Line' used to take coal to Fiddlers Ferry Power Station. i like the plan

Title: Re: Warrington Bank Quayish
Post by: paulprice on September 14, 2017, 07:00:58 PM
I pass the station each week when I go to the club, so I will watch this layout develop with interest
Title: Re: Warrington Bank Quayish
Post by: bluedepot on September 14, 2017, 11:17:52 PM
good luck!

what era is it?

there is a train dvd called 'this is Warrington bank quay 1987-2008' so if that's your era I would buy it!  I've only seen it advertised by the way so no idea what it's like.

Tim
Title: Re: Warrington Bank Quayish
Post by: KiraKat on September 14, 2017, 11:21:15 PM
good luck!

what era is it?

there is a train dvd called 'this is Warrington bank quay 1987-2008' so if that's your era I would buy it!  I've only seen it advertised by the way so no idea what it's like.

Tim

It is set around present day, although I have some older stock that will run on  a rule 1 basis! And thanks for the info I will look to see if i can find it online somewhere.
Title: Re: Warrington Bank Quayish
Post by: weave on September 15, 2017, 12:01:27 AM
Hi,

Looking forward to the build.

Hope this helps....

http://www.videoscene.co.uk/this-is-warrington-bank-quay-1987-2008.html (http://www.videoscene.co.uk/this-is-warrington-bank-quay-1987-2008.html)

Cheers weave  :beers:
Title: Re: Warrington Bank Quayish
Post by: simonprelude on September 15, 2017, 12:40:24 PM
Warrington Bank Quay is one of the stations I've always thought about doing but mainly for the variety you have there with the depot on the lower line; maybe you could work that in later?

It's the only place I ever saw class 20's working in pairs (apart from top and tailing the weedkiller trains) so always holds a special memory.
Title: Re: Warrington Bank Quayish
Post by: KiraKat on September 15, 2017, 01:42:46 PM
Warrington Bank Quay is one of the stations I've always thought about doing but mainly for the variety you have there with the depot on the lower line; maybe you could work that in later?

It's the only place I ever saw class 20's working in pairs (apart from top and tailing the weedkiller trains) so always holds a special memory.

That was the idea, but im going to have to wait until I find a bigger place to live to be able to expand this as this thing already takes up a big chunk of the room!
Title: Re: Warrington Bank Quayish
Post by: chris86200 on September 15, 2017, 02:05:32 PM
i have memories of seeing the arpley yard on the right which is the fiddle yard at the top. arpley could be seen on the right coming in from the london / crewe direction. if one turned right outside the station front by the taxi rank and followed the road down to the B and Q store this was wehere one found a sweeping ben into a stabling point and the palisade high fencing. you could see pairs of class 20s on the latchford branch reversing mgr hoppers.

the latchford line went under the station to fiddlers ferry / croddfields / and the uilever
HOWEVER, Arpley Junction is adjacent to Warrington Bank Quay Station, but is located on the goods line that passes beneath. The line used to continue to Manchester but due to structural damage on a bridge over the Ship Canal, it was truncated at Latchford Sidings in the 1980s, just past Arpley Junction to the east.

The main freight passing beneath Warrington station are coal trains to Fiddlers Ferry Power Station. These follow a complex route from Liverpool Docks. Most workings reverse at Edge Hill, before proceeding via Rainhill and Earlestown and through Bank Quay station. They then run round in Arpley Yards, before passing Arpley Junction to Latchford Sidings. They then run round again to pass Arpley once more to head to Fiddlers Ferry.

Occasionally they can be routed via Widnes to Liverpool instead of via the reverse of the above route, which will entail them exiting Fiddlers Ferry, passing Arpley Junction to Latchford, running round and heading back past Arpley and Fiddlers Ferry to Speke. Generally a train will take 30-40 minutes between passing through Bank Quay on the main line to heading under the station to Fiddlers Ferry. They will take about 90-120 minutes then to return.

Other freight trains also use Latchford Sidings to reverse when Arpley Yard is busy.
Title: Re: Warrington Bank Quayish
Post by: KiraKat on November 02, 2017, 03:38:21 PM
Update time!

I've not been able to work that much on the layout lately due to illness, but I have managed to get some stuff done in the last few days, for the first time the layout has been put up on its recently made legs (which still need to be painted) the base boards have been smoothed with filler and sanded and then painted.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/57/5640-021117153113.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=57572)

I have laid out the printed track plan out on the base boards and is starting to give a scale on how big its all going to be.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/57/5640-021117153419.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=57573)

In the next few days I'm going to cut in the lower section for the tracks that pass under the station, I only remembered I needed to do it after I placed the track plan on the boards...
I'm also planning on getting the rest of the track I need I currently have only around 70% of what I require along with other needed items.

Hopefully I will be able to do more frequent updates now the boards are built!

Until next time!
Title: Re: Warrington Bank Quayish
Post by: red_death on November 02, 2017, 03:48:59 PM
Hi Kira

Given I've spent so much time at Bank Quay I thought I would have more photos (I'm sure I do - just a question of where I have saved them!) but here are a few online: https://www.flickr.com/photos/ukrail/albums/72157631921391161 (https://www.flickr.com/photos/ukrail/albums/72157631921391161)

HTH, Mike
Title: Re: Warrington Bank Quayish
Post by: Newportnobby on November 02, 2017, 08:18:47 PM
I don't wish to rain on your parade but I have grave doubts you'll be able to access all lines in the fiddle yard once the backscene is up :worried:
A certain law dictates that's where something will derail or grind to a halt for some reason :uneasy:
Title: Re: Warrington Bank Quayish
Post by: KiraKat on November 03, 2017, 12:55:49 PM
Update 3!

Hi Kira

Given I've spent so much time at Bank Quay I thought I would have more photos (I'm sure I do - just a question of where I have saved them!) but here are a few online: [url]https://www.flickr.com/photos/ukrail/albums/72157631921391161[/url] ([url]https://www.flickr.com/photos/ukrail/albums/72157631921391161[/url])

HTH, Mike


Thanks for the pictures Mike, I've downloaded them and put them in my small library of photos of WBQ for research! I can't wait to get my Pendo from you guys and have it running on hear!

I don't wish to rain on your parade but I have grave doubts you'll be able to access all lines in the fiddle yard once the backscene is up :worried:
A certain law dictates that's where something will derail or grind to a halt for some reason :uneasy:


Thanks for bringing that up Nobby I must admit the thought never crossed my mind I will have to have a think on this problem, this is my first layout in 10 years + and my previous one did not have a back scene or fiddle yard a lot of things have changed since then!

Last night while watching some terrible Norsk comedy TV I started making a few trees using the twisted wire and liquid latex method, I have come to the conclusion that while it is quite fun to do, I need a lot of practice at it before I think I make ones of a decent enough standard for on the layout, below is a picture of the trees with the latex still drying and one which is primed ready to start the painting of it.

(http://i.imgur.com/bde6H3u.jpg) (https://imgur.com/bde6H3u)

I also have taken my rolling stock out to look for things that might need fixing since they have spent the last couple of months in less than ideal storage after moving houses, luckily everything is fine except for a few detail parts needing to be reattached (the 91 is being converted to DCC thus the missing chassis)
A few pics of the assembled fleet.

(http://i.imgur.com/6SqTwx4.jpg) (https://imgur.com/6SqTwx4)

(http://i.imgur.com/OihImCn.jpg) (https://imgur.com/OihImCn)

And my current favorite train, a dapol Voyager I converted to represent the project Thor which sadly never happened.

(http://i.imgur.com/U7viA16.jpg) (https://imgur.com/U7viA16)

The plan for the rest of the day is to start marking out and cutting the polystyrene insulation that i will be using to recreate the raised surface of the track, and having a go at some more trees!

Title: Re: Warrington Bank Quayish
Post by: voltan on November 03, 2017, 02:47:08 PM
Last night while watching some terrible Norsk comedy TV I started making a few trees using the twisted wire and liquid latex method, I have come to the conclusion that while it is quite fun to do, I need a lot of practice at it before I think I make ones of a decent enough standard for on the layout, below is a picture of the trees with the latex still drying and one which is primed ready to start the painting of it.

([url]http://i.imgur.com/bde6H3u.jpg[/url]) ([url]https://imgur.com/bde6H3u[/url])



I've been making a lot of trees like that myself recently, though for wargaming rather than my railway, but I will make some smaller ones for that eventually, it's very relaxing.  Hardest thing I've found is learning when to stop twisting so the branches and trunk don't end up too long.
Title: Re: Warrington Bank Quayish
Post by: KiraKat on November 03, 2017, 02:50:59 PM
Yes that is what I found, it is far too easy to zone out and just keep twisting and end up with no branches  :laugh:
Title: Re: Warrington Bank Quayish
Post by: KiraKat on November 08, 2017, 01:12:53 AM
Update 4.

It seems that the insulation that I bought was far too thick to be useful so I spent a couple of days pondering and have managed with the help of my father in-law to create a reliable way of slicing them in half length ways.

(https://i.imgur.com/kH30DWn.jpg)

later today will see me cutting them to shape, but now I should really sleep!
Title: Re: Warrington Bank Quayish
Post by: Milton Rail on November 08, 2017, 09:16:59 AM
Great trees in the making there - like the innovative solution to cutting the insulation - is it a hot wire rig up?

Don't know the area at all, but look forward to seeing your layout progress
Title: Re: Warrington Bank Quayish
Post by: KiraKat on November 08, 2017, 11:50:47 AM
Great trees in the making there - like the innovative solution to cutting the insulation - is it a hot wire rig up?

Don't know the area at all, but look forward to seeing your layout progress

Hi Milton, Thanks! It is indeed a hot wire rig, using a heavy duty battery charger, wire and some other bits and pieces we had laying around, it worked much better than we both thought it would!
I love getting updates on Perthshire its already a great layout and enjoying seeing it progress too!
Title: Re: Warrington Bank Quayish
Post by: KiraKat on November 11, 2017, 08:10:07 PM
Update 5.

The last week has gone slowly for modelling due to being busy with other unavoidable tasks, however all the foam has now been cut to both the right thickness and rough shape

(https://i.imgur.com/lWE8bGX.jpg)

You can see where the lower track section will run, in the next few days I will be cutting out and lowering the baseboard around there so it is even lower.

(https://i.imgur.com/fXkLbvS.jpg)

And I have even glued down the first two pieces of foam just ten minutes before I wrote this and have assorted to using anything that was not bolted down and heavy in the surrounding area to try and weigh it down, time will tell on how well the glue works as I've never attempted to glue foam before apart from a few trials over the last couple of days.

(https://i.imgur.com/QqJ1Dj5.jpg)

If all goes well I hope to start laying the track in the week or maybe next weekend depending on how the glue works out, also on the topic of track I need to find somewhere else that stocks Peco code 55 as Hattons don't even list the wooden sleeper flexi track anymore on their website and in Norway the cheapest I can find is near £200 for a box of 30 which blows my budget massively!
Title: Re: Warrington Bank Quayish
Post by: weave on November 11, 2017, 08:26:58 PM
Hi Kirakat,

All looking good. Sorry can't help with the Peco track as only know about Kato Unitrack but sure someone else can help.

Good luck with the sticking. Pity you drink so much Captain Morgan (or whatever it is) as you could of had a bit more weight  :D.

Cheers weave  :beers:

Title: Re: Warrington Bank Quayish
Post by: KiraKat on November 11, 2017, 08:38:17 PM
Hi Kirakat,

All looking good. Sorry can't help with the Peco track as only know about Kato Unitrack but sure someone else can help.

Good luck with the sticking. Pity you drink so much Captain Morgan (or whatever it is) as you could of had a bit more weight  :D.

Cheers weave  :beers:


Hi Weave,

It is indeed Captain Morgans and while the extra weight may been useful, I'm not brave enough to tell the wife she can't have any  :P
Title: Re: Warrington Bank Quayish
Post by: ColinH on November 11, 2017, 09:09:59 PM


If all goes well I hope to start laying the track in the week or maybe next weekend depending on how the glue works out, also on the topic of track I need to find somewhere else that stocks Peco code 55 as Hattons don't even list the wooden sleeper flexi track anymore on their website and in Norway the cheapest I can find is near £200 for a box of 30 which blows my budget massively!


 Try 2kTechnologies http://www.2ktechnologies.com/ (http://www.2ktechnologies.com/)  they appear to be only listing concrete sleeper as well at £4 per length but I bought 30 lengths of wooden sleeper from them last year at much less than that. A very well stocked shop an email to them would not harm.

Interested in seeing this develop as my daughter lives in Warrington and I am slightly familiar with the station, spent a very sleepless night back in 1997 listening to BR relaying the station trackwork. :'(
Title: Re: Warrington Bank Quayish
Post by: Innovationgame on November 11, 2017, 09:22:20 PM
Rails of Sheffield have packs of 30 for £82
https://railsofsheffield.com/sl300f-30-yards-code-55-finescale-n-s-flexible-track-wooden-sleeper-JJJA8023 (https://railsofsheffield.com/sl300f-30-yards-code-55-finescale-n-s-flexible-track-wooden-sleeper-JJJA8023)
Title: Re: Warrington Bank Quayish
Post by: njee20 on November 11, 2017, 09:54:43 PM
Surely for a modern layout you need concrete anyway for the vast majority?

A few places seem to not have wooden sleeper, I wonder if itís because of the disproportionate cost of shipping.
Title: Re: Warrington Bank Quayish
Post by: KiraKat on November 11, 2017, 10:42:15 PM
Many thanks for the links guys! I have some options to explore now.


Interested in seeing this develop as my daughter lives in Warrington and I am slightly familiar with the station, spent a very sleepless night back in 1997 listening to BR relaying the station trackwork. :'(


Hi Colin, I know the feeling I was caught there over night in my teens due to missing the last train although I cant remember any trackworks being done when I was there!

Surely for a modern layout you need concrete anyway for the vast majority?

A few places seem to not have wooden sleeper, I wonder if itís because of the disproportionate cost of shipping.

Hi Njee, thanks for pointing that out for me, I don't know why but I thought WBQ has alot more concrete track than I thought! I guess I should find some of the concrete sleeper track instead!