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Title: Very small Layout
Post by: Greenbridge on June 05, 2017, 06:09:40 PM
 :hellosign:
This is my very first N gauge layout. First thing first, a few rules:
1) Rule #1 applies,
2) I just want to have fun.
3) I like roundy roundy layouts as I like watching trains go past,
4) I absolutely don't like ballasting. So I choose Kato track,
5) I'm not going for realism and I'm not a rivet counter,
And now, it's time to start my layout !
Stage one: the baseboard. I used 15 and 18mm chipboard (found in my personal pile of junk).

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/52/6160-050617180635.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=52479)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/52/6160-050617180700.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=52480)

I also tried to add a little bit of scenery:

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/52/6160-050617180802.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=52481)

Yes it's a real rock !
And now, it's up to you. Please don't be too cruel...


Title: Re: Very small Layout
Post by: joe cassidy on June 05, 2017, 06:31:06 PM
Hi Christian.

What diameter is your baseboard ?

If you are looking for inspiration for a small roundy roundy I suggest you do a google search for a layout called Littleton Curve by a guy called Brant Hickman.

Best regards,


Joe de Paris
Title: Re: Very small Layout
Post by: NeMo on June 05, 2017, 06:42:22 PM
Last year I made a micro circular layout with a Christmas theme (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=35459.msg415219#msg415219). Quite good fun, and a real chance to try out techniques, like snow and ice, I'd not used before.

I can't remember who the modeller was, but there was a very nice layout that was half colour, half black and white, the black and white half being modelled to look like wartime England during a blackout. It was extremely cleverly done.

So while there's a lot to be said about keeping things simple for the first layout, the fact you're using Kato track minimises the potential problems. You could really have fun with the scenics. Treacle mines and Middle Earth layouts are two things you sometimes see, but if that's a bit too whimsical, then certainly you could create something dramatic with your centrepiece rock -- there are N-gauge rock climbers from Noch (I think) if that floats your boat!

Cheers, NeMo
Title: Re: Very small Layout
Post by: joe cassidy on June 05, 2017, 06:51:21 PM
I think you should include at least one turn out/point/aiguillage.

Best regards,


Joe
Title: Re: Very small Layout
Post by: Greenbridge on June 06, 2017, 10:09:52 AM
If you are looking for inspiration for a small roundy roundy I suggest you do a google search for a layout called Littleton Curve by a guy called Brant Hickman.

 :thankyousign:
Got it:
Small-Model-Rail-UK (http://www.freewebs.com/model-rail-uk/)

Title: Re: Very small Layout
Post by: Greenbridge on June 06, 2017, 10:42:45 AM
The diameter of the baseboard is 18" . My layout is too small for points. And I don't like them !
I ordered two packs of Kato 20-172 R183-45 curved track (http://www.traintrax.co.uk/20172-r18345-curved-track-p-665.html) (very tight radius!) and one Kato 24-818 Terminal Uni-Joiner (http://www.traintrax.co.uk/24818-terminal-unijoiner-p-326.html).
Title: Re: Very small Layout
Post by: grumbeast on June 06, 2017, 12:38:29 PM
how about this :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yO_I99P9oZs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yO_I99P9oZs)

Title: Re: Very small Layout
Post by: Greenbridge on June 06, 2017, 01:00:35 PM
I rather want to build something like this one:



It's not N gauge but the I like the idea.
Title: Re: Very small Layout
Post by: Greenbridge on June 06, 2017, 03:07:22 PM
Got my track today. Thanks Train Trax (http://www.traintrax.co.uk/?osCsid=utlbavl15rsoilkeee7hkb5012). Excellent service. :thumbsup:

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/52/6160-060617150620.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=52492)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/52/6160-060617150655.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=52494)
Title: Re: Very small Layout
Post by: Greenbridge on June 06, 2017, 03:13:12 PM
Now it's time to order a few wagons and a loco. I'm working hard on it. See you soon.
Title: Re: Very small Layout
Post by: Bridge69 on June 06, 2017, 07:18:47 PM


Would a Swiss mountain top café fit on rock ?
Title: Re: Very small Layout
Post by: NeMo on June 06, 2017, 07:34:00 PM
Now it's time to order a few wagons and a loco. I'm working hard on it. See you soon.

The Farish 03 and 04 are excellent diesels for very tight circles. There are green, blue and even NCB yellow ones, and if you don't mind repainting them, there's the option of an industrial livery of your choice. The Dapol 'Terrier' is almost as good, and available in some nice liveries too, particularly the LB&SCR livery.

Cheers, NeMo
Title: Re: Very small Layout
Post by: broadsword on June 06, 2017, 07:53:22 PM
I think a Bo Bo diesel like class 25 could manage
the curves,
Title: Re: Very small Layout
Post by: NeMo on June 06, 2017, 08:15:59 PM
I think a Bo Bo diesel like class 25 could manage
the curves,

That Kato track has a radius of 18.3 cm -- quite a bit tighter than the ~23 cm "first radius" from the likes of Peco. You'd want to test that Class 25 before putting down any hard-earned cash. But the little 03s and 04s will certainly run: the radius on my Christmas layout is less than 15 cm at its tightest.

Cheers, NeMo
Title: Re: Very small Layout
Post by: PeteW on June 07, 2017, 12:06:31 PM
Thanks to everyone who has contributed to this thread. Some wonderful little layouts here and inspiring to see what can be done in a small space.
Title: Re: Very small Layout
Post by: Greenbridge on June 07, 2017, 02:30:18 PM
Thanks to everyone who has contributed to this thread. Some wonderful little layouts here and inspiring to see what can be done in a small space.
:thankyousign:
Title: Re: Very small Layout
Post by: Greenbridge on June 07, 2017, 02:33:06 PM
I ordered three Dapol wagons for £4.00 each:

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/52/6160-070617143207.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=52526)

 :claphappy: :claphappy: :claphappy:
Title: Re: Very small Layout
Post by: mattycoops43 on June 07, 2017, 03:29:29 PM
Loving it!

Keep the pics coming.

Matt
Title: Re: Very small Layout
Post by: port perran on June 07, 2017, 06:40:20 PM
Yes indeed.
Keep the pictures coming.
Title: Re: Very small Layout
Post by: austinbob on June 07, 2017, 06:46:05 PM
I ordered three Dapol wagons for £4.00 each:

([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/52/6160-070617143207.jpeg[/url]) ([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=52526[/url])

 :claphappy: :claphappy: :claphappy:

That's a good deal. Can I ask where you got them from??
 :beers:
Title: Re: Very small Layout
Post by: Greenbridge on June 08, 2017, 07:41:05 AM
That's a good deal. Can I ask where you got them from?
Yes you can ! From Hatton's.
Title: Re: Very small Layout
Post by: Greenbridge on June 08, 2017, 07:43:07 AM
Would a Swiss mountain top café fit on rock ?
:sorrysign: but no.
Title: Re: Very small Layout
Post by: Greenbridge on June 12, 2017, 01:57:57 PM
 :hellosign:
Got all my Rolling stock today in a perfect shape.      :claphappy:      :claphappy:      :claphappy:


(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/52/6160-120617135727.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=52700)
Title: Re: Very small Layout
Post by: Railwaygun on June 12, 2017, 03:02:48 PM
Now it's time to order a few wagons and a loco. I'm working hard on it. See you soon.

The Farish 03 and 04 are excellent diesels for very tight circles. There are green, blue and even NCB yellow ones, and if you don't mind repainting them, there's the option of an industrial livery of your choice. The Dapol 'Terrier' is almost as good, and available in some nice liveries too, particularly the LB&SCR livery.

Cheers, NeMo

The pending NGS Hunslett would do nicely
Title: Re: Very small Layout
Post by: Greenbridge on June 12, 2017, 04:52:04 PM
The pending NGS Hunslett would do nicely
Too expensive for me (£100.00) !       :'(
Title: Re: Very small Layout
Post by: NeMo on June 13, 2017, 06:10:25 AM
The pending NGS Hunslett would do nicely
Too expensive for me (£100.00) !       :'(

More to the point, it won't be available for a year, at best, and while it should go round tight curves, it obviously hasn't been tested yet. On the other hand, as an industrial shunter, it'd be quite a good choice for totally freelance layouts.

Cheers, NeMo
Title: Re: Very small Layout
Post by: Greenbridge on June 13, 2017, 08:59:58 AM
Another crazy idea: Can I use a Bachmann MDT Plymouth (N scale) with my three Dapol wagons ?

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/52/6160-130617085854.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=52717)
Title: Re: Very small Layout
Post by: NeMo on June 13, 2017, 09:15:13 AM
Absolutely you can!

Foster Yeoman have used an EMD SW1001 shunter since 1980, which while not the same loco, does set a precedent for the use of American 'switchers' on British private railways.

It would be fun, of course, to repaint your model into something more British in style. Given the Plymouth MDT was a loco from the 1960s, I believe, you'd want to backdate the livery to something of that era. Numerous photos of industrial locos from that era can be found online.

Cheers, NeMo
Title: Re: Very small Layout
Post by: Greenbridge on June 13, 2017, 02:51:52 PM
 :thankyousign:
But it's not really the same scale for the diesel (1:160) and the wagons (1:148). Does it matter ?
Title: Re: Very small Layout
Post by: NeMo on June 13, 2017, 03:04:46 PM
But it's not really the same scale for the diesel (1:160) and the wagons (1:148). Does it matter ?

Depends what you're trying to achieve. Obviously yes, it's the wrong "size". But at the same time, US diesels are physically bigger (more generous loading gauge) so even thought it's 1:160 compared to 1:148, it'll look about the same size as a similar UK shunter.

In any event, easy enough to argue this little loco was a scaled-down version built for the UK loading gauge! Given you're building something to look fun, rather than accurate, only the worst kind of rivet-counter is going to call you out on this. The 1930s wagons are more of an issue, and the crazy-tight radius equivalent to a loco spinning around a cricket pitch is even more damning when you think about it!

Cheers, NeMo
Title: Re: Very small Layout
Post by: JanW on June 13, 2017, 03:24:36 PM
I have this shunter and it even looks a bit big on a British layout.
Bought it after reading a 2mm scale magazine article about Percy Nook by Chris Shaw.
Some info and pictures of the shunter here:
http://www.btmrs.co.uk/percy-nook.html (http://www.btmrs.co.uk/percy-nook.html)

You could also try to add buffers to make it look more British.
Title: Re: Very small Layout
Post by: Greenbridge on June 13, 2017, 05:22:34 PM
 :thankyousign:
I'm also a huge fan of North American (USA & Canada) trains. As I'm not going to realism, this switcher can pull a string of British freight cars.
Title: Re: Very small Layout
Post by: Greenbridge. on June 18, 2017, 04:11:42 PM
 :hellosign: 
I had a lot of problems with my PC and my first account doesn't work anymore. So I made a new registration. But I'm back and very happy to be here !
This is my first video of my Very Small Layout. I haven't no real loco yet but a Kato 11-103 makes the job as well. Have fun !



 :thankyousign:
Title: Re: Very small Layout
Post by: broadsword on June 18, 2017, 04:29:08 PM
Great fun ! 8)
Title: Re: Very small Layout
Post by: Greenbridge. on June 18, 2017, 05:37:58 PM
 :thankyousign:
This guy is the new boss. What is his name ? Don't know. Where does he come from ?
 
Maybe Scotland...but I'm not really sure. ???   :doh:
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/52/6181-180617173444.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=52780)
Title: Re: Very small Layout
Post by: broadsword on June 18, 2017, 06:19:25 PM
May be Scrooge McDuck, Donald's  Scottish millionaire uncle.
Title: Re: Very small Layout
Post by: austinbob on June 18, 2017, 06:33:56 PM
No.... Saw him in Tesco this morning stacking shelves..
 :hmmm:
Title: Re: Very small Layout
Post by: Greenbridge. on June 19, 2017, 09:54:32 AM
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