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Title: Exclusive - IT'S TWINS FOR REVOLUTION TRAINS!
Post by: Tank on June 03, 2017, 10:03:54 AM
IT'S TWINS FOR REVOLUTION TRAINS!

The long-serving IZA Cargowaggon twin ferry van is the next model being proposed by Revolution Trains as a crowdfunded project.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/52/1328-030617201022.jpeg)

The wagons have been in service since 1986 and been used for all manner of goods, from petfood to paper, mineral water to metal, and beer to bagged clay.

And there are few layouts depicting the last 30 years that would not benefit from a twin or two... they can be run in block trains on their own, with other ferry vans, or in representations of enterprise services when as few as one twin could be found with tankers, flat wagons or hoppers.

100 twins were built for Cargowaggon in 1986.  They were designed to be permanently coupled with the brake equipment shared across the wagons, meaning they cannot operate independently.  The success of the design led to further builds of 50 pairs in 1989 and 1991, though to very slightly different designs,

Our model is being produced with the full cooperation of present owners Touax and will feature the usual levels of detailing and specification with correctly modelled brake gear, wire handrails, NEM couplers in NEM sockets and separately fitted detail parts.  Like our tankers, they will be weighted to US NMRA standards (significantly heavier than British modellers are used to) to ensure top performance and track holding.

The crowdfunded price for a single twin will be £36, for a triple pack £108 and in another first we are offering a version with a factory fitted, battery powered flashing tail lamp for £40.

Please don't delay signing up - the sooner we reach our target of backers, the sooner we can get started.  See our website for payment terms.

And, as ever, we will only produce enough models to satisfy pre-orders so don't miss out!



(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/52/2-020617213657.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=52394)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/52/2-020617213720.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=52395)



http://www.revolutiontrains.com/

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/52/2-020617213757.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=52396)


1). GFX showing original Cargowaggon livery
2). Photo of twin taken at Dover Marine in 1986.  Credit:  Ernie Puddick.
3). Photo of 31142 on Norwich-Whitemoor trip 1989.  Credit:  Mick Page.
Title: Re: Exclusive - IT'S TWINS FOR REVOLUTION TRAINS!
Post by: njee20 on June 03, 2017, 10:08:03 AM
Crikey, didn't realise there was more on the way!

Interesting choice, like the tail lamp idea.
Title: Re: Exclusive - IT'S TWINS FOR REVOLUTION TRAINS!
Post by: RailGooner on June 03, 2017, 10:29:17 AM
A nice surprise, for me, a worrying one for the bank manager! :D
Title: Re: Exclusive - IT'S TWINS FOR REVOLUTION TRAINS!
Post by: Ditape on June 03, 2017, 11:01:52 AM
 :helpneededsign:
Where do I sign up there is nothing on the web site.
Title: Re: Exclusive - IT'S TWINS FOR REVOLUTION TRAINS!
Post by: Tank on June 03, 2017, 11:12:34 AM
Ben and Mike will have the info on their website at midday - http://www.revolutiontrains.com/ (http://www.revolutiontrains.com/)
Title: Re: Exclusive - IT'S TWINS FOR REVOLUTION TRAINS!
Post by: woodbury22uk on June 03, 2017, 02:56:45 PM
An excellent choice. Chipboard, mineral water, electrical goods.....I have a use for these. Guessing that the tail light will use the Rapido latched on/off switch actuated by a magic wand. Hopefully will look good alongside my amateurish 2 axle Cargowaggon that I made 30 years ago, and the Minitrix continental gauge one with sliding doors in 1/160.

(https://i42.servimg.com/u/f42/12/12/53/02/wagon-13.jpg) (https://servimg.com/view/12125302/98)
Title: Re: Exclusive - IT'S TWINS FOR REVOLUTION TRAINS!
Post by: railsquid on June 03, 2017, 03:26:15 PM
For a moment I was having visions of LMS Nos. 10000 and 10001 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Rail_Class_D16/1) ...
Title: Re: Exclusive - IT'S TWINS FOR REVOLUTION TRAINS!
Post by: Thorpe Parva on June 03, 2017, 03:42:43 PM
For a moment I was having visions of LMS Nos. 10000 and 10001 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Rail_Class_D16/1) ...

Me too. Oh well, maybe one day along with a Class 28.
Title: Re: Exclusive - IT'S TWINS FOR REVOLUTION TRAINS!
Post by: Smiffy on June 03, 2017, 04:01:07 PM
Nice choice.

Can all the liveries still be seen (even if heavily weathered)?

Thanks

Iain
Title: Re: Exclusive - IT'S TWINS FOR REVOLUTION TRAINS!
Post by: ntpntpntp on June 03, 2017, 04:13:19 PM
Someone please notify on here when a link to sign up to fund this becomes available?  No sign yet.
Cheers 
Title: Re: Exclusive - IT'S TWINS FOR REVOLUTION TRAINS!
Post by: Ben A on June 03, 2017, 06:24:20 PM

Hello all,

I have only just got back after a busy day at the DEMU show.

I hope this wagon will prove popular; it's one I have long wanted and there are so many flows, uses and routes that I am sure most people modelling the last 30+ years can find space for at least one twin.

Mike will be adding the order buttons to the website in the coming week; either he or I will certainly update this thread when that is done.

I know the Perrier wagons are still running about in service; as are the Cargowaggon types of course but I think that the original Cargowaggon livery gave way to the newer one progressively over the last twenty years.

The differences are fairly minimal TBH - the revised livery is identical to the original except for the additon of yellow axle box covers and small round hazard signs on the door.

Cheers

Ben A.
Title: Re: Exclusive - IT'S TWINS FOR REVOLUTION TRAINS!
Post by: porkie on June 03, 2017, 07:02:42 PM
Excellent news.

These would look awesome on a Speedlink rake.

Silly question, we're these the wagons used to move Guinness flows out of Park Royal plant?

Look forward to seeing updates

Phil
Title: Re: Exclusive - IT'S TWINS FOR REVOLUTION TRAINS!
Post by: JBQFC on June 03, 2017, 07:10:18 PM
great news been on my wish list for a long time

now how many do i order ?
Title: Re: Exclusive - IT'S TWINS FOR REVOLUTION TRAINS!
Post by: Ben A on June 03, 2017, 07:14:34 PM
Hi Porkie,

Yes, they were. This pic shows 47211 with the Guinness train st Ordsall. Reproduced courtesy Mick Page:

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/52/94-030617191217-52413997.jpeg)

Cheers

Ben A.

Title: Re: Exclusive - IT'S TWINS FOR REVOLUTION TRAINS!
Post by: Newportnobby on June 03, 2017, 08:50:09 PM
For a moment I was having visions of LMS Nos. 10000 and 10001 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Rail_Class_D16/1) ...

Me too.

I, too, hoped it was going be a couple of black/silver items of motive power.
Good luck with it, Ben & Mike, but this one's not for me.
Title: Re: Exclusive - IT'S TWINS FOR REVOLUTION TRAINS!
Post by: jpendle on June 03, 2017, 09:05:38 PM
Stop it, stop it, stop it!!!

At this rate I'll owe more money to Revolution than to the mortgage company.

As for liveries, I would prefer the all over mucky grey that seems so common on all Cargowagons.

Seriously, heavily weathered, would suit the contemorary modeller more.

Regards,

John P
Title: Re: Exclusive - IT'S TWINS FOR REVOLUTION TRAINS!
Post by: njee20 on June 03, 2017, 09:47:31 PM
It's a good shout, if there was ever a wagon where a heavily weathered option would be good it's these.
Title: Re: Exclusive - IT'S TWINS FOR REVOLUTION TRAINS!
Post by: pape_timmo on June 03, 2017, 10:19:40 PM
This is great news gents. I'm sure it's these that run through Reading on the Tilbury to Trostre Works services along with the bogie cargowaggons that Dapol do. Heavy weathering is a huge must in the modern scene.

Cheers, Timmo
Title: Re: Exclusive - IT'S TWINS FOR REVOLUTION TRAINS!
Post by: Graham on June 04, 2017, 07:52:35 AM
as said before great news gents. look forward to being able to order some. Still waiting to order some of the HOA hoppers!!!

cheers
Graham
Title: Re: Exclusive - IT'S TWINS FOR REVOLUTION TRAINS!
Post by: Cookiedude13 on June 04, 2017, 09:33:16 AM
I agree about the weathering, would be great to see that as an option. Don't think I'd even seen a clean one until these photos! I remember seeing these through Ely regularly 15 odd years ago on the paper train so will definitely be ordering some for memories sake.
Title: Re: Exclusive - IT'S TWINS FOR REVOLUTION TRAINS!
Post by: kirky on June 04, 2017, 10:07:43 AM
Great I'm very interested in these.

But....

I've just had a quick look at revolutiontrains.com and spotted that they have expressions of interest for HOAs. I missed that! Does that mean I cant any? @BenA

Cheers
Kirky
Title: Re: Exclusive - IT'S TWINS FOR REVOLUTION TRAINS!
Post by: Roy L S on June 04, 2017, 10:30:17 AM
It's a good shout, if there was ever a wagon where a heavily weathered option would be good it's these.

There may have to be a tagged option too. A lot seem to have suffered attention of the graffiti "artist". That would be a fresh challenge for the artwork designers and those doing the tampo printing!

Roy
Title: Re: Exclusive - IT'S TWINS FOR REVOLUTION TRAINS!
Post by: alibuchan on June 04, 2017, 10:31:11 AM
Great I'm very interested in these.

But....

I've just had a quick look at revolutiontrains.com and spotted that they have expressions of interest for HOAs. I missed that! Does that mean I cant any? @BenA

Cheers
Kirky

Expression of Intrest form is just to say you would like some, as long as you make an order when they are available for sale, you will be ok.

Interesting choice of wagon with the twins, might order a 3 pack but not many more would be needed. 

Alistair
Title: Re: Exclusive - IT'S TWINS FOR REVOLUTION TRAINS!
Post by: red_death on June 05, 2017, 04:24:05 PM
Hi folks

The order details are now up in the Shop section of our website (I think!).  The IZAs are coming out of the same factory as the Class B tanks - seeing the high quality of the Class B tank sample gave us confidence to use this factory for the twins.

Just to clarify - the HOA order book hasn't opened yet for a variety of reasons outside of our control though hopefully now that we have the first CAD we can open orders very soon.

We are going to send out a newsletter over the next week or so with a short update on each of the projects and what stage we have reached and an estimated production/order deadline schedule.

Cheers, Mike
Title: Re: Exclusive - IT'S TWINS FOR REVOLUTION TRAINS!
Post by: woodbury22uk on June 05, 2017, 04:44:14 PM
Placed my initial order. In spite of the "bad gateway" message my account shows a processed order and payment. Will check tomorrow that the payment has been processed fully. Thanks to Mike and Ben for this initiative.
Title: Re: Exclusive - IT'S TWINS FOR REVOLUTION TRAINS!
Post by: red_death on June 05, 2017, 06:23:30 PM
Placed my initial order. In spite of the "bad gateway" message my account shows a processed order and payment. Will check tomorrow that the payment has been processed fully.

Thanks Mike - it has gone through.

At some point over the summer I'm going to try and find time to re-build the site on a different web host to get rid of the Bad Gateway error.

Cheers, Mike
Title: Re: Exclusive - IT'S TWINS FOR REVOLUTION TRAINS!
Post by: PWayman on June 05, 2017, 09:01:01 PM
Ben or Mike , Do you know the length of the twin waggons. I have tried to find drawings on google but with no success. Kind of important for my loops knowing how many to order..

Bret
Title: Re: Exclusive - IT'S TWINS FOR REVOLUTION TRAINS!
Post by: red_death on June 05, 2017, 09:33:40 PM
Hi Bret

IIRC from the drawings each half of the twin is 12400 mm so divide by 148.

Cheers Mike
Title: Re: Exclusive - IT'S TWINS FOR REVOLUTION TRAINS!
Post by: mickster04 on June 05, 2017, 09:57:24 PM
Just to say. I too had the bad gateway error but checked my card which payment had gone from and my orders had it all listed correctly, so good heads up on the website  for that one! Very exciting!
Title: Re: Exclusive - IT'S TWINS FOR REVOLUTION TRAINS!
Post by: Smiffy on June 05, 2017, 10:07:28 PM
Order placed and email confirmation received, no bad gateway message, but sent to wrong email address.

Somewhat confusing

Regards

Iain
Title: Re: Exclusive - IT'S TWINS FOR REVOLUTION TRAINS!
Post by: PaulCheffus on June 05, 2017, 10:18:48 PM
Order placed and email confirmation received, no bad gateway message, but sent to wrong email address.

Somewhat confusing

Regards

Iain

Hi

I didn't get an email so I'm now wondering if it's gone to my old free serve account which has been closed by ee. I did update my email address in my account however it appears that the billing address also has the email address and that is used when placing an order.

Cheers

Paul
Title: Re: Exclusive - IT'S TWINS FOR REVOLUTION TRAINS!
Post by: Smiffy on June 05, 2017, 10:26:06 PM
Order placed and email confirmation received, no bad gateway message, but sent to wrong email address.

Somewhat confusing

Regards

Iain

Hi

I didn't get an email so I'm now wondering if it's gone to my old free serve account which has been closed by ee. I did update my email address in my account however it appears that the billing address also has the email address and that is used when placing an order.

Cheers

Paul

Thanks Paul,

I'd not updated that one, hopefully all sorted now.

All the best

Iain
Title: Re: Exclusive - IT'S TWINS FOR REVOLUTION TRAINS!
Post by: ntpntpntp on June 05, 2017, 11:00:18 PM
Done! 

I'm assuming that being 1:148 this will be slightly larger loading gauge than (say) the old Roco Cargowaggon, but shouldn't look too overscale in amongst my other continental stuff.
Title: Re: Exclusive - IT'S TWINS FOR REVOLUTION TRAINS!
Post by: cutting42 on June 05, 2017, 11:01:41 PM
I may need to just redirect my salary to Revolution trains soon.

Thanks Mike and Ben, another great addition for the modern modeller.
Title: Re: Exclusive - IT'S TWINS FOR REVOLUTION TRAINS!
Post by: Ben A on June 05, 2017, 11:17:54 PM

Hello all,

A complete twin is 27000mm over buffers, so in 1:148 they should be a smidge over 182mm.  We are aiming to get the gap between the vehicles in the pair to scale.

cheers

Ben A.
Title: Re: Exclusive - IT'S TWINS FOR REVOLUTION TRAINS!
Post by: PWayman on June 06, 2017, 11:58:31 AM
Thanks Ben and Mike for the dimensions info.  I did eventually find a basic drawing on the Touax website, where they are classified Hfirrs in their sliding door van fleet.
     Yes Ben ,they are 27000 mm over buffers for the pair which in old money is just over 7" in 1/148 scale with the couplings. Inside loading dimension of each van is 12440mm. The drawing did not show the wheelbase of each van but would seem to be about 30' or 60mm in scale when I measure the drawing.
     I have vans at 55 mm. wheelbase at the mo so the extra bit should be OK in tight curves (hopefully) which I have in hidden storage areas on my layout (about 11" radius) but it is quite a long wheelbase for each van.

Bret.
Title: Re: Exclusive - IT'S TWINS FOR REVOLUTION TRAINS!
Post by: Ollie3440 on June 06, 2017, 09:43:07 PM
Evening all.

Another winner here Ben and Mike, Shall I just arrange for my salary to be paid directly to you?!

Does anyone have any date details for each livery variety? I'll certainly be putting my name down for all of the revised livery varieties, but I could be persuaded to the others depending on timescales.

Cheers

Ollie

 :NGaugersRule:
Title: Re: Exclusive - IT'S TWINS FOR REVOLUTION TRAINS!
Post by: jpendle on June 11, 2017, 10:14:47 PM
OK

I'm in for 2 triple packs plus a single flasher.

If you don't do a weathered option, I'll be taking my ball home.

Pretty please, I'd be happy to pay extra for weathered, even if you need to pass that on to someone like Mercig.

Thanks,

And stop coming up with new models ( for now)

John P
Title: Re: Exclusive - IT'S TWINS FOR REVOLUTION TRAINS!
Post by: Ben A on June 11, 2017, 10:50:18 PM

Hi John,

Thanks for the support but at the moment we have no plans for weathered versions.

This is primarily because the only way we can be sure of producing a good weathered model is to take a factory painted model, get it weathered here, return it to the factory, ask them to copy it and then assess their work.

This would probably add several months to the process.

It would of course add to the cost too, though you did say that would not be an issue.

Having said that, since I will be planning to weather some of my own what I'll probably do - if I am happy with the job - is add some "how to" images and text on our websites.

Cheers

Ben A.
Title: Re: Exclusive - IT'S TWINS FOR REVOLUTION TRAINS!
Post by: CaleyDave on June 18, 2017, 08:32:19 PM
If it wasn't for all the comments and information posted I would have thought you had started making wagons up.
Everyday is a school day.
Interesting looking wagon  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Exclusive - IT'S TWINS FOR REVOLUTION TRAINS!
Post by: Ben A on June 18, 2017, 08:59:17 PM

Hi all,

Saw a rake of these at DIRFT from a passing train on Friday but sadly too busy gawping to get a snap on my phone!  Almost certainly on mineral water service.  Most were dirty, but a few pairs show evidence of having been cleaned and touched up recently.

Cheers

Ben A.
Title: Re: Exclusive - IT'S TWINS FOR REVOLUTION TRAINS!
Post by: bluedepot on July 08, 2017, 06:50:22 PM
hey everyone

what year was the 'revised livery' applied?   was this to the second build of wagons? 

i just went to order now as finally got some money to do so.  i was going for original but i would like the tail lamp and that's only available on revised i notice. 

cheers


tim


p.s. keep up the good work revolution trains, and please make a class 50.
Title: Re: Exclusive - IT'S TWINS FOR REVOLUTION TRAINS!
Post by: Ben A on July 08, 2017, 11:58:03 PM

Hi Tim,

The consensus seems to be that the revised livery started to appear in the mid-late 1990s.

We have had a few people asking about the flashing light on the original livery - keep an eye on our website as we may add it later if we can.

Cheers

Ben A.
Title: Re: Exclusive - IT'S TWINS FOR REVOLUTION TRAINS!
Post by: RailGooner on July 09, 2017, 12:15:15 AM
...
p.s. keep up the good work revolution trains, and please make a class 50.
:doh: Well..lll, we're all thinking it. :D
Title: Re: Exclusive - IT'S TWINS FOR REVOLUTION TRAINS!
Post by: bluedepot on July 09, 2017, 12:51:07 AM
Cheers Ben

I'll order original livery then but will get a tail light in original if that ever becomes available

Best wishes

Tim
Title: Re: Exclusive - IT'S TWINS FOR REVOLUTION TRAINS!
Post by: Ben A on July 12, 2017, 05:35:25 PM


Hello all,

We have been sent some draft CADs so I thought I would share them.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/53/94-120717172254-533102304.jpeg)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/53/94-120717172148-53308445.jpeg)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/53/94-120717172149-533091310.jpeg)

There is plenty of detail on the underside - which can be made out through the four chassis side holes so is important - and the centre coupler will be a solid bar in NEM pockets but we are investigating whether it can be moulded to look a little more like the prototype.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/53/94-120717172255-53311149.jpeg)

There are a few issues that have been fed back - a missing handrail at the end, spurious extra brakewheel on the B-car and missing document clip at the far left end.  But they're not looking too bad.

See our website for more images and information.

Sign ups are going well and once CADs are approved we think we should be able to get tooling underway reasonably quickly, with the possibility of first samples by Warley.

Cheers

Ben A.
Title: Re: Exclusive - IT'S TWINS FOR REVOLUTION TRAINS!
Post by: robert shrives on July 12, 2017, 08:27:06 PM
hi Ben,
Look lovely from these CADS, good to notice coupler back face is just behind buffers - end of the 10 foot gap syndrome of so many and recent models.

Put out  IZA leaflets in Warley Club last night.   

Robert 
Title: Re: Exclusive - IT'S TWINS FOR REVOLUTION TRAINS!
Post by: robert shrives on July 16, 2017, 10:46:33 AM
Hi ,placed  order no problems  for a triple and the tail lamp fitted single.

looking forward to speedlink fun !

Robert
Title: Re: Exclusive - IT'S TWINS FOR REVOLUTION TRAINS!
Post by: Ben A on July 28, 2017, 11:47:51 AM
Hello all,

We have received revised CADs with some amendments made, plus provision now added for flashing tail lamp.

The lamp will be a small moulding (highlighted in blue) fed by a light guide from inside the model where the PCB and battery holder are located.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/53/94-280717114052-537681625.jpeg)

The amendments include corrections such as adding the holes to the angled frames at each end, and making sure the parking brake wheels are on the A-wagon only:

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/53/94-280717123552-5379352.jpeg)

We also wanted them to improve the look of the bar coupler within the pair, and this looks much more like the prototype, though I have asked the designer to confirm that this part will be robust enough in use.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/53/94-280717114053-537871574.jpeg)

For more images etc see our website.

Cheers

Ben A.
Title: Re: Exclusive - IT'S TWINS FOR REVOLUTION TRAINS!
Post by: Steven B on July 28, 2017, 11:57:36 AM
Looking good.

Would the dummy Screw-link link coupling be of a length that could work with other wagons from Farish, Dapol and the NGS? It could add a little something extra to fixed rakes if the length was OK and it was available as a spare part.



Steven B.
Title: Re: Exclusive - IT'S TWINS FOR REVOLUTION TRAINS!
Post by: woodbury22uk on July 28, 2017, 12:16:03 PM
Looking good.

Would the dummy Screw-link link coupling be of a length that could work with other wagons from Farish, Dapol and the NGS? It could add a little something extra to fixed rakes if the length was OK and it was available as a spare part.



Steven B.

Would be an interesting accessory, but I fear that the set up of the Twins would work against it. Without conventional side buffers between the two halves of the wagon, the vehicles share one buffer and one buffing plate each much closer than normal. I have some bar couplers from NME which have couplings and air pipes and will close couple the TEAs, but they appear much longer than the twins inter-wagon coupler.

On the inter-wagon close up CAD on the website there is a stray NEM pocket on the wagon the right.
Title: Re: Exclusive - IT'S TWINS FOR REVOLUTION TRAINS!
Post by: Ben A on July 28, 2017, 12:32:12 PM
Hi Steven,

As Mike says, the gap between the twins is designed to be scale.  The inner single buffers (sprung of course, on the prototype) may need to be slightly truncated to allow the wagon to cope with our tighter curves.

Once clipped together we are expecting most people to keep their twins coupled up but of course they will still have standard Rapido couplers on the outer ends so as a pair can easily be removed - like a steam loco permanently coupled to its tender. 

Unless you are able to leave long rakes of wagons on your layout then coupling a whole rake with fixed couplers may be impractical, so even if appropriate I am not sure how much demand there would be.

Also, while the idea of accessories can be appealing, Mike and I are really not geared up to sending out lots of small items.

I have some bar couplers from NME which have couplers and air pipes and will close couple the TEAs, but they appear much longer than the twins inter-wagon coupler.

On the inter-wagon close up CAD on the website there is a stray NEM pocket on the wagon the right.

Hi Mike,

I would be interested in seeing the NME couplers, but the chances are you're right and they're longer than that being designed for the twins.

The displaced coupler pocket was left there as I was looking at clearances and deflection angles but as it may be confusing I have removed it and replaced the image - thanks for spotting.

Cheers

Ben A.
Title: Re: Exclusive - IT'S TWINS FOR REVOLUTION TRAINS!
Post by: Calnefoxile on July 28, 2017, 12:47:15 PM
 Ben @Ben A (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=94)  &/or Mike @red_death (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=246) 

Why can't I select a Flashing Tail Lamp for the Original Cargowaggon livery??

I am trying to order 2 singles 1 with and 1 without.

Cheers

Neal.
Title: Re: Exclusive - IT'S TWINS FOR REVOLUTION TRAINS!
Post by: Ben A on July 28, 2017, 12:57:23 PM

Hi Neal,

Right now the flashing tail lamp version is only available in revised livery. This is partly as a result of the lesson we learned from the 321 - offer too many choices and everyone gets paralysed by indecision.

However, if we can we will extend it to cover the original variants.

If for any reason the numbers don't stack up you could always order the revised flashing lamp version further down the line then swap the bodies and flog your superfluous revised one as a non-flashing light variant!

Cheers

Ben A.
Title: Re: Exclusive - IT'S TWINS FOR REVOLUTION TRAINS!
Post by: Steven B on July 28, 2017, 02:11:32 PM
Would it not make more sense to do the tail lamp on the earlier livery rather than the revised one? I don't know when the revised livery came into being but surely the early livery ran along side the revised for some time?

It's a lot easier to justify an older livery on a current layout than a current livery on an older layout....

Steven B.
Title: Re: Exclusive - IT'S TWINS FOR REVOLUTION TRAINS!
Post by: Ben A on July 28, 2017, 03:17:27 PM

Hi Steven,

We took the decision based on length of service, and also on our own experience that those modelling the present significantly outnumber those modelling the late 80s and early 90s.

The revised livery is just yellow on the axleboxes and lashing loops, and a "don't catch your fingers in the doors" warning on the sides of the, err, doors.

It came in from the early 90s, so broadly speaking the original livery lasted for around 5 years while the revised livery has been around 25 years.

As I said, I am hoping we can offer both, but there is a relatively simple solution of buying the modern tail lamp version and swapping the bodies.  I doubt you'll have too much trouble selling the left over model on Ebay if the tankers are anything to go by.

Cheers

Ben A.
Title: Re: Exclusive - IT'S TWINS FOR REVOLUTION TRAINS!
Post by: red_death on July 28, 2017, 03:42:29 PM
As Ben said the flashing tail lamp is a bit of a shot in the dark for us - we had no idea if it would be popular so we wanted to experiment to see if there was demand.

Cheers, Mike
Title: Re: Exclusive - IT'S TWINS FOR REVOLUTION TRAINS!
Post by: LeftToMyOwnDevices on July 30, 2017, 07:12:01 PM
As Ben said the flashing tail lamp is a bit of a shot in the dark for us...
Cheers, Mike

...and for me, as well. :D

Have just placed a 'double', triple order (a triple of each), plus the Perrier wagon (ahhh...) and the tail-light one. :wave:

I'm guessing that the wagon numbers in the Triple packs will be different from each other?  ???

Would they also be different from the Single pack ones...? :worried:
Or, would it be worth my while ordering the single ones, to get all unique numbers...? :goggleeyes:

Either way, I'll still have more Dapol bogie versions... :help:

Thank you for doing them; it was nice to pick up the flier at the DEMU Showcase - and thinking "Yes...! I want those...". Having not been enticed by anything else since the KFAs.

Ironically, when I left the DEMU Showcase and went to get my train home, from Burton-upon-Trent, the first thing to thunder through the station was a Class 66 and dozen or so TEAs... ...as if to mock me for not ordering any TEAs...! :D

Charles.
Title: Re: Exclusive - IT'S TWINS FOR REVOLUTION TRAINS!
Post by: Ben A on July 30, 2017, 10:31:44 PM

Hello Charles,

All the triple packs will feature wagons with different numbers, and these will be different to the singles.

Only three pairs were every painted into Perrier livery, and for this reason we are only doing a single in these colours (and only if it reaches the minimum threshold.)

Cheers

Ben A.
Title: Re: Exclusive - IT'S TWINS FOR REVOLUTION TRAINS!
Post by: Nighthawk on November 01, 2017, 12:18:40 PM
Have just noticed on the latest Projects Summary update of 31st October (Revolution website) that this item is now in tooling.

Also noticed that this item is still not included in the drop-down projects list although there has been plenty of information in the News section.

John
Title: Re: Exclusive - IT'S TWINS FOR REVOLUTION TRAINS!
Post by: Ben A on November 01, 2017, 01:39:37 PM

Hi John,

You're right.  We have kind of outgrown the website - which was originally designed when we were just doing a Pendolino - and it is on our "to do" list of things to sort out.

While we'd encourage you to look around the whole site (of course!) the best one stop shop is the news page - this is where I always post the latest information first.

Cheers

Ben A.
Title: Re: Exclusive - IT'S TWINS FOR REVOLUTION TRAINS!
Post by: red_death on November 02, 2017, 01:01:38 PM
Also noticed that this item is still not included in the drop-down projects list although there has been plenty of information in the News section.

John


There is actually a project page: http://www.revolutiontrains.com/projects/cargowaggon-twins-iza/ (http://www.revolutiontrains.com/projects/cargowaggon-twins-iza/)

I just forgot to add it to the menus - now fixed.

Cheers, Mike
Title: Re: Exclusive - IT'S TWINS FOR REVOLUTION TRAINS!
Post by: Ben A on November 25, 2017, 07:30:10 AM

Hello all,

For anyone attending the Warley National Model Railway Exhibtion at the NEC this weekend we will have the first moulded samples of the Cargowaggon twin vans on the Revolution Trains stand, B029.

I will post photographs after the weekend here and on our website, though other photos may appear beforehand of course.

Cheers

Ben A.
Title: Re: Exclusive - IT'S TWINS FOR REVOLUTION TRAINS!
Post by: robert shrives on November 27, 2017, 08:04:49 AM
And  very nice they are !

finely moulded and free runing with the inter pair coupler a lovely neat tiny moulding- well done Andy, Ben and the factory staff - good to see quality work in progress.

Robert
Title: Re: Exclusive - IT'S TWINS FOR REVOLUTION TRAINS!
Post by: Ben A on November 28, 2017, 06:03:11 PM

Hello all,

Here are some images of the first samples of the IZA Cargowaggon twins.  Considering we only launched this model in June, to have tooled and moulded samples by Warley doesn't seem like bad going!

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/58/94-281117165450-586591037.jpeg)

The models will have standard N-gauge couplers on the outer ends, with a representation of the screw coupling on between the cars, in kinematic coupler pockets to ensure buffer locking isn't possible.

The underframes correctly are different for each of the pair of vans; with both air tanks on one and the handbrakewheels on the other:

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/58/94-281117165439-58620611.jpeg)

In the image above one of the handbrakewheels appears to have vanished but they were only pushed into position for the show...

These wagons have been in service since the mid 1980s and are still in use.  Over the years they have carried many products, but I believe they are primarily used for mineral water from France these days.  And they are ideal for use behind our forthcoming Class 92, though I apologise for the poor quality of the pic:

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/58/94-271117140919-585561067.jpeg)

There are a few minor niggles to sort out, then once liveries are checked and approved we will be ready to start production some time early next year.

More information and images on the Revolution website where these models can still be ordered.

Cheers

Ben A.


Title: Re: Exclusive - IT'S TWINS FOR REVOLUTION TRAINS!
Post by: Ben A on December 23, 2017, 02:32:49 PM

Hello all,

Merry Xmas - see festive message from Revolution here https://www.revolutiontrains.com/news/ (https://www.revolutiontrains.com/news/) with a little more info on IZA-shaped progress.

Next week I'll be posting a Revolution Round up of 2017, and looking ahead to how we *hope* things will pan out in 2018!!

Thanks to everyone who has supported us this year.

cheers

Ben A.
Title: Re: Exclusive - IT'S TWINS FOR REVOLUTION TRAINS!
Post by: Ben A on February 01, 2018, 02:16:32 PM

Hello all,

Painted samples of the IZA Cargowaggon twins in original Cargowaggon and Perrier have arrived.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/61/94-010218141045-614371612.jpeg)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/61/94-010218141046-61438863.jpeg)

For more information and pics see http://www.revolutiontrains.com/news/ (http://www.revolutiontrains.com/news/)

We anticipate the order book for these models will be closing within the next couple of months, so please don't miss out!

Cheers

Ben A.
Title: Re: Exclusive - IT'S TWINS FOR REVOLUTION TRAINS!
Post by: robert shrives on February 01, 2018, 02:27:11 PM
Well they look very good bet your pleased!

Robert
Title: Re: Exclusive - IT'S TWINS FOR REVOLUTION TRAINS!
Post by: Buzzard on February 01, 2018, 03:37:30 PM
 8)

I've got about £400 spare in the railway fund so now the dilema for me is this

NGS Rover cube kits at £33 each

or

A combination of ready to run IZA twins for between £36 and £108 per pack

 :hmmm:

Even though I've been waiting for the Rover cube since like forever I'm going to have to go with the IZA twins.  Sorry NGS but I've already got a backlog of kits to build.

On the other hand I could always sell some stuff and have both.
Title: Re: Exclusive - IT'S TWINS FOR REVOLUTION TRAINS!
Post by: Ben A on February 01, 2018, 05:36:34 PM

Hi all,

Thanks for the kind words.  The factory has done a fabulous job with these, in an amazingly short period of time.

While there are a couple of very tiny niggles (blue on the van's "shoulder" in the middle should reach to roofline, tie-down loops should be blue) for a first painted sample I am delighted.

Cheers

Ben A.
Title: Re: Exclusive - IT'S TWINS FOR REVOLUTION TRAINS!
Post by: David Asquith on February 01, 2018, 06:17:55 PM
Sorry about being late trying to join this party due to a change in my modelling interests.  I would like to order at least two pairs but would like one (pair) with the rear light.  I see I can only order the triple pack without the lighted one or a single pair with light.  Would the answer be to order two single packs with lights or is there another way?  I would be happy to order a triple pack if I could have a lighted one.

Dave
Title: Re: Exclusive - IT'S TWINS FOR REVOLUTION TRAINS!
Post by: Ben A on February 01, 2018, 06:28:48 PM

Hi David,

I am not quite sure I follow.

You can order original or revised Cargowaggon twins in single packs or triples, you can order a single Perrier twin (there were only three of these out of 100 pairs anyway) or you can order the Cargowaggon revised livery with flashing tail lamp.

There is certainly the option to order singles in all liveries without flashing lights...

cheers

Ben A.
Title: Re: Exclusive - IT'S TWINS FOR REVOLUTION TRAINS!
Post by: David Asquith on February 01, 2018, 06:42:00 PM
Hi Ben, 
What I would like is a triple pack of revised livery but one with light.  The answer might have come to me. ::) :doh: Should I place three orders:  two orders for single pairs in revised livery.  One order for a single pair in revised livery with light.  Sorry if I'm being hard work

Dave
Title: Re: Exclusive - IT'S TWINS FOR REVOLUTION TRAINS!
Post by: Buzzard on February 01, 2018, 07:32:48 PM
What I would like is a triple pack of revised livery but one with light.  The answer might have come to me. ::) :doh: Should I place three orders:  two orders for single pairs in revised livery.  One order for a single pair in revised livery with light.  Sorry if I'm being hard work

One order containing three items should suffice, those items being

Single pair in revised livery
Single pair in revised livery
Single pair in revised livery with light

Title: Re: Exclusive - IT'S TWINS FOR REVOLUTION TRAINS!
Post by: ohlavache on February 01, 2018, 10:22:15 PM
([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/61/94-010218141046-61438863.jpeg[/url])


Now the Perrier is very tempting...
 :help: I have to resist.  :heart2:
Title: Re: Exclusive - IT'S TWINS FOR REVOLUTION TRAINS!
Post by: Jack on February 01, 2018, 11:06:41 PM
@Ben A (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=94)

Apologies if this as been asked, I have reread the whole thread to find an answer.

I'm interested in a pair with a tail light. What is the minimum curve for these please? 

I have R2s on my layout and the gap between the wagons appears very narrow (understandably), and along with their total length, I have concerns that they may knock themselves on tight curves.

Can you enlighten me please.

Thanks in anticipation
Title: Re: Exclusive - IT'S TWINS FOR REVOLUTION TRAINS!
Post by: PostModN66 on February 01, 2018, 11:10:43 PM
Sorry if I have missed it but what is the minimum radius negotiable by these wagons?

It would be a bit disappointing to splash out £400 on a trains-worth and not be able to run them!  My VGAs have a bit of a struggle.......  :confused1:

Cheers Jon  :)

Addition: Wow Jack, great minds and all that!!!!
Title: Re: Exclusive - IT'S TWINS FOR REVOLUTION TRAINS!
Post by: Ben A on February 01, 2018, 11:20:51 PM

Hello all,

They are specified for 12" radius curves but can manage 9".  I tested them today.  The kinematic coupler avoids buffer lock, but the long wheelbase means that they don't like anything tighter than 9", and even at 9" you can feel some resistance.

They are nice and heavy though, like all Revolution models, so they shouldn't derail - just give the loco a bit more work to do!

cheers

Ben A.
Title: Re: Exclusive - IT'S TWINS FOR REVOLUTION TRAINS!
Post by: David Asquith on February 02, 2018, 11:17:13 PM
just placed my order.  Dead excited now!!!
Title: Re: Exclusive - IT'S TWINS FOR REVOLUTION TRAINS!
Post by: MacRat on February 03, 2018, 11:39:52 AM
Hi Ben A
While I was finally getting to ordering the IZA pairs I had a look at the art work to find the differences between original and revised livery and I spotted two cases where most probably german umlauts would be used. I highlighted the two instances in the attachments below. Would it be possible to double check this against actual photos?

On the original livery it appears to be "Gewahrleistung" on the far right -> I would expect "Gewährleistung"

On the revised livery it reads "Stuck guter" on the left -> I would expect "Stück güter". The space in the middle looks unusual too, but I have no pictures to suggest otherwise.

I have no idea if these would be legible on the final model, though. It just looks wired to me.
Title: Re: Exclusive - IT'S TWINS FOR REVOLUTION TRAINS!
Post by: 37058 on February 03, 2018, 09:04:56 PM
Got my order in :claphappy:

3 twin packs and a Perrier single pair. Will certainly make a nice rake that, but until the layout is built, they will be safely stored away. Ok I might just have a sneaky play on my test loop :P

Cheers
Anthony
Title: Re: Exclusive - IT'S TWINS FOR REVOLUTION TRAINS!
Post by: PostModN66 on February 03, 2018, 09:56:39 PM
Oh lord, just put my order in.

Ben and Mike; please don't do a class 90!  :worried:

Cheers Jon  :)
Title: Re: Exclusive - IT'S TWINS FOR REVOLUTION TRAINS!
Post by: Ben A on February 04, 2018, 01:13:20 PM
Hi Ben A
On the original livery it appears to be "Gewahrleistung" on the far right -> I would expect "Gewährleistung"

On the revised livery it reads "Stuck guter" on the left -> I would expect "Stück güter". The space in the middle looks unusual too, but I have no pictures to suggest otherwise.



Hi MacRat,

Thanks for your comments.

The graphics on the website are indicative; significantly more research was done before the "proper" livery artwork was sent to China.

The Stuckguter on the model has one umlaut only:

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/61/94-040218124903-614961486.jpeg)

At the other end, the Gewahrleistung - which is even smaller - does seem to be missing the umlaut.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/61/94-040218124903-615461574.jpeg)

These errors are down to me; it is to my shame that despite being something of a Germanophile I do not actually speak the language.  I worked from good photographs and this must have been an oversight that was not picked up by me or those who checked the artwork.

TBH I am pretty impressed these words are even close to being legible at all!

To be fair the the factory has printed exactly what was sent, and to correct it would require a new tampo mask for all the small lettering. 

As you may know from our Rapido thread we do try to correct errors spotted by our supporters, but there is a balance and in my judgement this is just too small an error to scrap the existing tampo mask and replace.

Sorry - I will try to do better next time!

Cheers

Ben A.
Title: Re: Exclusive - IT'S TWINS FOR REVOLUTION TRAINS!
Post by: Snowwolflair on February 04, 2018, 01:48:40 PM
Can be rectified by those who want to with a single hair paintbrush  :D
Title: Re: Exclusive - IT'S TWINS FOR REVOLUTION TRAINS!
Post by: RailGooner on February 04, 2018, 02:04:02 PM
..
 Sorry - I will try to do better next time!
...

A noble goal but you haven't left much room for improvement. ;) :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Exclusive - IT'S TWINS FOR REVOLUTION TRAINS!
Post by: tutenkhamunsleeping on February 04, 2018, 02:17:06 PM
Can be rectified by those who want to with a single hair paintbrush  :D

Could I use my single hair head? :hmmm:
Title: Re: Exclusive - IT'S TWINS FOR REVOLUTION TRAINS!
Post by: nobby on February 04, 2018, 03:59:39 PM
To be fair to Ben , i will probably be weathering mine, and as such with the real things that pass my local station, you can barely read the cargo waggon branding to be honest let alone anything else.
Title: Re: Exclusive - IT'S TWINS FOR REVOLUTION TRAINS!
Post by: jpendle on February 04, 2018, 04:01:27 PM
On another site Jenny Emily has a Hornby (sorry) wagon which has :

"This is too small to read, good luck" in the Tampo printing on one side of the wagon.

Ans that's in OO.

I think we'll be fine with this in N

Regards,

John P



Title: Re: Exclusive - IT'S TWINS FOR REVOLUTION TRAINS!
Post by: Ben A on February 04, 2018, 07:37:45 PM
Can be rectified by those who want to with a single hair paintbrush  :D

Could I use my single hair head? :hmmm:

Only if I can borrow it - I don't even have one!

cheers

Ben A.
Title: Re: Exclusive - IT'S TWINS FOR REVOLUTION TRAINS!
Post by: MacRat on February 08, 2018, 03:28:45 PM
@Ben A (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=94), Thank you for your answer. I understand the situation.
Are the pictures from the actual model? That quality is quite impressive.
Title: Re: Exclusive - IT'S TWINS FOR REVOLUTION TRAINS!
Post by: Ben A on February 08, 2018, 03:53:58 PM

Hi all,

The images of the lettering are just blown up crops of this image:

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/61/94-080218154208-616881173.jpeg)


Cheers

Ben A.
Title: Re: Exclusive - IT'S TWINS FOR REVOLUTION TRAINS!
Post by: Merrylee on February 11, 2018, 11:02:27 AM
Took the plunge and ordered 1 X triple and 1 X single with tail light in the revised livery.

Maybe later if funds available add another triple set.

Ron
Title: Re: Exclusive - IT'S TWINS FOR REVOLUTION TRAINS!
Post by: Buzzard on March 29, 2018, 12:55:11 PM
I think I read somewhere that the order book for these wagons will be closing soon.

Please could one of the chaps from Revolution say exactly when that will be.

Thanks
Title: Re: Exclusive - IT'S TWINS FOR REVOLUTION TRAINS!
Post by: red_death on March 29, 2018, 02:15:00 PM
It was in our recent newsletter (available on our website).

The simple answer is we haven't set a deadline yet but it will likely be in the next month or two (we always put it on our website when know) - we're just waiting for confirmation that the Class B tank production has finished.

Cheers Mike
Title: Re: Exclusive - IT'S TWINS FOR REVOLUTION TRAINS!
Post by: Calnefoxile on March 29, 2018, 05:37:50 PM

Put my order in today for a triple pack of original livery.

Shame the Flashing light is only available in the Later Livery.

Cheers

Neal.
Title: Re: Exclusive - IT'S TWINS FOR REVOLUTION TRAINS!
Post by: Buzzard on April 13, 2018, 12:59:57 PM
Have just put down a deposit on a couple of revised livery triple sets.  Would've been a shame to miss out.

It might've been more but for the fact that it would also be nice to have 2 or 3 Sturgeon engineers wagons.
Title: Re: Exclusive - IT'S TWINS FOR REVOLUTION TRAINS!
Post by: red_death on April 13, 2018, 04:20:32 PM
Hi folks

The Cargowaggons are probably 12 months ha ahead of the Sturgeons- we're currently finalising when to start production of the Cargowaggons whereas the Sturgeons are in design and won't go on sale until we have something to show.

Cheers Mike
Title: Re: Exclusive - IT'S TWINS FOR REVOLUTION TRAINS!
Post by: 37058 on April 13, 2018, 04:24:09 PM
Very much looking forward to these...Not very much looking forward to weathering all 18 of the buggers :doh:

Cheers
Anthony
Title: Re: Exclusive - IT'S TWINS FOR REVOLUTION TRAINS!
Post by: monkey_brains on April 13, 2018, 05:55:41 PM
Very much looking forward to these...Not very much looking forward to weathering all 18 of the buggers :doh:


and it's not exactly light weathering on most of the prototypes either!  :smiley-laughing:
Title: Re: Exclusive - IT'S TWINS FOR REVOLUTION TRAINS!
Post by: jpendle on April 13, 2018, 11:34:53 PM
Not so much weathering as painting oily, rusty, black.

John P
Title: Re: Exclusive - IT'S TWINS FOR REVOLUTION TRAINS!
Post by: Ben A on April 16, 2018, 10:36:19 AM
Hello all,

The order deadline for the IZA Cargowaggon twins is Friday May 11th, just under four weeks from now.

Once the deadline has closed the models will go into production, with the models likely to be shipped in July/August.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/61/94-010218141045-614371612.jpeg)

If you're interested please don't miss out - we get a steady stream of emails from people asking about TEAs, Class Bs and Pendolinos who regret not ordering when they could!

These wagons are the ideal to run with our forthcoming Class 92 locomotives - currently they're used for mineral water traffic from south and central France through the channel tunnel to the Midlands.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/99279135@N05/13704365274/ (https://www.flickr.com/photos/99279135@N05/13704365274/)

However, during their 40+ years in service they've been used for bagged clay, metals, pet food, fertiliser and other palletised goods from Cornwall to East Anglia and Scotland.

Cheers

Ben A.
Title: Re: Exclusive - IT'S TWINS FOR REVOLUTION TRAINS!
Post by: jond on April 16, 2018, 11:56:41 AM
Ordered some of these at the weekend... they look so good !
Title: Re: Exclusive - IT'S TWINS FOR REVOLUTION TRAINS!
Post by: crepello on April 16, 2018, 04:58:59 PM
I remember these wagons on ''the papers'' (rolls of newsprint for the Stora depot at Barking, coming from Sweden via Immingham.) A long train hauled by a sector grey 56.
Title: Re: Exclusive - IT'S TWINS FOR REVOLUTION TRAINS!
Post by: westie7 on April 16, 2018, 09:59:29 PM
Well I'd better hide the card statement, that's another ordered 😂
Title: Re: Exclusive - IT'S TWINS FOR REVOLUTION TRAINS!
Post by: Intercity on April 23, 2018, 09:37:59 PM
Just ordered 2 triples, hopefully I’ll be able to get 3 or 4 more before deadline (and a flasher), wife wants to know who is responsible for making me spend so much money though!!

And slightly off topic any idea when the KFA and 92 deadline will be? Need to shuffle funds for a rake of those and the engines to pull em
Title: Re: Exclusive - IT'S TWINS FOR REVOLUTION TRAINS!
Post by: Ben A on April 24, 2018, 12:58:18 AM
And slightly off topic any idea when the KFA and 92 deadline will be? Need to shuffle funds for a rake of those and the engines to pull em

Hi there,

The KFAs are being produced by Rapido in the factory that is completing the 00 TEA tanker wagons.  We expect it in the next 4-6 weeks.

The 92 is a little behind - we are waiting for the final runnng samples with PCBs and lights.  We are expecting production to start around July with the models here by Autumn.

cheers

Ben A.
Title: Re: Exclusive - IT'S TWINS FOR REVOLUTION TRAINS!
Post by: cutting42 on April 24, 2018, 10:44:49 AM
Couldn't resist a Perrier pair to join the main rake
Title: Re: Exclusive - IT'S TWINS FOR REVOLUTION TRAINS!
Post by: Spanners70 on April 24, 2018, 08:36:21 PM
10 cargowaggons ordered (2 perriers) and 12 kfa’s I’m gonna get shot. Maybe squeeze a few more in before the deadline funds depending. Then there’s the 92, and the hoppers and the sturgeons...
Title: Re: Exclusive - IT'S TWINS FOR REVOLUTION TRAINS!
Post by: Merrylee on April 24, 2018, 11:45:53 PM
Me too, couldn't resist a pair of Perriers also.

Order placed.

When are the balance payments due for these.

Ron
Title: Re: Exclusive - IT'S TWINS FOR REVOLUTION TRAINS!
Post by: red_death on April 25, 2018, 12:55:24 AM
The balance is due when we invoice it which will be when we start production (almost certainly in mid May). The KFAs, HOAs, and Sturgeons will probably arrive in that order - all on our website!

Cheers Mike
Title: Re: Exclusive - IT'S TWINS FOR REVOLUTION TRAINS!
Post by: Buzzard on April 25, 2018, 08:18:25 AM
Does anyone know how long the Perrier version was in traffic?

The Paul Bartlett pictures are dated 1986 but he's not got anything newer.

I've had a trawl round other picture sites without success.

If it / they were still around in the mid 2000s then I'll need to place an order.
Title: Re: Exclusive - IT'S TWINS FOR REVOLUTION TRAINS!
Post by: Ben A on April 25, 2018, 08:47:26 AM
Hi Buzzard

As far as I am aware they are still running in the livery - albeit a little dirtier...

This shot from 2013 of the wagon we are offering:



https://www.flic.kr/p/fHjGu3 (https://flic.kr/p/fHjGu3)

Cheers

Ben A.
Title: Re: Exclusive - IT'S TWINS FOR REVOLUTION TRAINS!
Post by: Intercity on May 08, 2018, 03:37:40 PM
With the deadline looming (the 11th) is the orderbook closed at 11:59pm GMT? Just making sure I get my last order in as payday is also the 11th, being across the pond I have to count for the time difference and don’t want to miss out.
Title: Re: Exclusive - IT'S TWINS FOR REVOLUTION TRAINS!
Post by: Ben A on May 08, 2018, 05:07:34 PM

Hi all,

In practical terms there will be a little bit of leeway because neither Mike nor I are likely to fancy sitting by a computer at midnight on Friday just waiting to disable the order function.

But we will be closing the order book very soon afterward - probably the following morning - so strongly suggest those who can order before midnight on Friday.

We have had a LOT of non-buyer regret with the TEAs, Class Bs and Pendolinos so please don't miss out if you're interested!

Cheers

Ben A.
Title: Re: Exclusive - IT'S TWINS FOR REVOLUTION TRAINS!
Post by: Ben A on May 11, 2018, 11:37:51 AM

Hello all,

Just a gentle reminder that midnight tonight is the deadline for getting those orders in for Revolution Trains IZA Cargowaggon twin vans.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/65/94-110518112900-651751368.jpeg)

They're ideal to put behind our upcoming Class 92 - also going into production in a variety of liveries this summer - and have operated in block trains and on Speedlink/Connectrail/Enterprise services from Cornwall to Scotland and the Continent.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/65/94-110518112858-651691462.jpeg)

As ever we will only produce enough models to satisfy pre-orders, so please don't miss out!

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/65/94-110518112859-651751056.jpeg)

And don't forget if you're planning to put them at the back of a train there is an option with factory fitted, battery powered flashing tail lamp!

Cheers

Ben A.
Title: Re: Exclusive - IT'S TWINS FOR REVOLUTION TRAINS!
Post by: njee20 on May 11, 2018, 12:16:21 PM
Do you know how long a pair is Ben? I fear I’m going to succumb!
Title: Re: Exclusive - IT'S TWINS FOR REVOLUTION TRAINS!
Post by: cutting42 on May 11, 2018, 12:20:30 PM
Do you know how long a pair is Ben? I fear I’m going to succumb!

Ben posted this in the early stages of this thread

Hello all,

A complete twin is 27000mm over buffers, so in 1:148 they should be a smidge over 182mm.  We are aiming to get the gap between the vehicles in the pair to scale.

cheers

Ben A.
Title: Re: Exclusive - IT'S TWINS FOR REVOLUTION TRAINS!
Post by: cutting42 on May 11, 2018, 12:25:06 PM
Do the twins get used with the Cargowaggon ferrywagons as sold by Dapol or would they be on different trains/flows?
Title: Re: Exclusive - IT'S TWINS FOR REVOLUTION TRAINS!
Post by: red_death on May 11, 2018, 12:45:48 PM
Hi Gareth

I can't remember off the top of my head how the Dapol wagons are/were used, but our twins are used on everything from complete rakes of 20 pairs (eg bottled water) to a single pair mixed in with almost anything that ran as part of the Speedlink/Enterprise/Distribution/Trainload network.

It certainly did happen, but I don't know how often eg https://flic.kr/p/daofjQ

Cheers, Mike
Title: Re: Exclusive - IT'S TWINS FOR REVOLUTION TRAINS!
Post by: Vonzack on May 11, 2018, 12:49:18 PM
A single twin near the end of the video, but an interesting mix of wagons for this flow / move

https://youtu.be/ytrQwDh3fJs
Title: Re: Exclusive - IT'S TWINS FOR REVOLUTION TRAINS!
Post by: ngaugepaul on May 11, 2018, 04:29:39 PM
a "twin" at Exeter Riverside showing weathering possibilities ?
Title: Re: Exclusive - IT'S TWINS FOR REVOLUTION TRAINS!
Post by: njee20 on May 11, 2018, 05:02:08 PM
I succumbed. I am weak.  :-[

Will definitely be weathering them as they're always so filthy! The lettering tends to show through still as white/faded under the grime (that photo Paul shared aside), not quite sure how best to recreate that.
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Post by: kirky on May 11, 2018, 05:19:53 PM
Now that is quite an interesting point njee. When observed in the photo from post #120, the panels appear white, yet looking at the model, the wording appears to be on a silver background. Could just be a trick of the light of course. I guess the only way that could be recreated is to mask each panel where necessary.
cheers
Kirky
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Post by: Snowwolflair on May 11, 2018, 05:37:57 PM
The color balance is all wrong so its probably safe to assume its silver not white.

It is quite a striking amount of oily grime (its way beyond weathering) and it almost has a paint patina about its appearance.

Low tack masking tape and many passes with an airbrush with a very dilute acrylic mud mix, then a lite satin spray varnish to give it the oily surface effect.
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Post by: njee20 on May 11, 2018, 05:40:31 PM
I was thinking more of this effect which seems quite prevalent (not my image):

(https://farm1.static.flickr.com/761/33222339335_fb60ec9676_b.jpg)

I don’t doubt it can be done, but probably not by me :)
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Post by: Snowwolflair on May 11, 2018, 05:44:03 PM
I was thinking more of this effect which seems quite prevalent (not my image):

(https://farm1.static.flickr.com/761/33222339335_fb60ec9676_b.jpg)

I don’t doubt it can be done, but probably not by me :)

It's almost like rust but i assume it is not.
Title: Re: Exclusive - IT'S TWINS FOR REVOLUTION TRAINS!
Post by: ngaugepaul on May 11, 2018, 05:50:44 PM
Hi
I can confirm that the data panels shown on my photo with post 120 are silver (not white) so if you wish to replicate when weathering the best option would be to mask the panels and then apply heavy coats of grime
Paul
Title: Re: Exclusive - IT'S TWINS FOR REVOLUTION TRAINS!
Post by: kirky on May 11, 2018, 06:57:15 PM
The picture posted by red_death in post 118 is almost pristine in comparison to most photos. Yet that photo was allegedly taken in 2012.
Weathering is indeed very odd.

Kirky
Title: Re: Exclusive - IT'S TWINS FOR REVOLUTION TRAINS!
Post by: Snowwolflair on May 11, 2018, 07:03:13 PM
The picture posted by red_death in post 118 is almost pristine in comparison to most photos. Yet that photo was allegedly taken in 2012.
Weathering is indeed very odd.

Kirky

This is a guess but might be the answer. 

If the wagons were painted in an aluminium paint it could be oxidization of the paint and in the extreme with dirt it would go brown, after all bauxite (aluminium oxide) is brown.
Title: Re: Exclusive - IT'S TWINS FOR REVOLUTION TRAINS!
Post by: njee20 on May 11, 2018, 07:13:17 PM
The picture posted by red_death in post 118 is almost pristine in comparison to most photos. Yet that photo was allegedly taken in 2012.
Weathering is indeed very odd

That photo is 1991, was obviously uploaded (or digitally created) in 2012. I guess the lettering just gets bleached by the sun, and is less ‘sticky’ than the body side so doesn’t hold the dirt.
Title: Re: Exclusive - IT'S TWINS FOR REVOLUTION TRAINS!
Post by: kirky on May 11, 2018, 07:33:57 PM
The picture posted by red_death in post 118 is almost pristine in comparison to most photos. Yet that photo was allegedly taken in 2012.
Weathering is indeed very odd

That photo is 1991, was obviously uploaded (or digitally created) in 2012. I guess the lettering just gets bleached by the sun, and is less ‘sticky’ than the body side so doesn’t hold the dirt.

Oh yea, just noticed that in the text - does state 'taken september 2012' though.
Title: Re: Exclusive - IT'S TWINS FOR REVOLUTION TRAINS!
Post by: njee20 on May 11, 2018, 07:40:59 PM
It almost certainly wasn’t digital in 1991, so it’s obviously been scanned or something since, presumably that was 2012. The EXIF data will still have a creation date of 2012. Explains the cleanliness!
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Post by: kirky on May 11, 2018, 07:58:18 PM
It almost certainly wasn’t digital in 1991, so it’s obviously been scanned or something since, presumably that was 2012. The EXIF data will still have a creation date of 2012. Explains the cleanliness!
Indeed it does. But I have to say snowwolflair's explanation was far more exciting.
Cheers
Kirky
Title: Re: Exclusive - IT'S TWINS FOR REVOLUTION TRAINS!
Post by: JBQFC on May 11, 2018, 08:17:48 PM
looks like some efforts are been made to clean some seen on the 09-05-18 at denmark hill

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/65/4019-110518201511-651771499.jpeg)
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Post by: woodbury22uk on May 11, 2018, 08:27:29 PM
That picture gives a good idea of the composition of the weathering - mainly a mixture of wheel/rail dust (so steel to rust), and brake dust (iron, and some composition materials found in brake disc pads, and shoes). They bind to the surface. It does not dissolve easily - oxalic acid and sodium hypochlorite (I think) work eventually, but the COSHH implications are serious, so full protective suiting and air fed masks, or better don’t do it at all.
Title: Re: Exclusive - IT'S TWINS FOR REVOLUTION TRAINS!
Post by: Snowwolflair on May 11, 2018, 09:11:58 PM
That picture gives a good idea of the composition of the weathering - mainly a mixture of wheel/rail dust (so steel to rust), and brake dust (iron, and some composition materials found in brake disc pads, and shoes). They bind to the surface. It does not dissolve easily - oxalic acid and sodium hypochlorite (I think) work eventually, but the COSHH implications are serious, so full protective suiting and air fed masks, or better don’t do it at all.

Yes that makes sense, it does look like an oxidisation of some sort rather than pure dirt.
Title: Re: Exclusive - IT'S TWINS FOR REVOLUTION TRAINS!
Post by: kirky on May 11, 2018, 09:26:48 PM
That picture gives a good idea of the composition of the weathering - mainly a mixture of wheel/rail dust (so steel to rust), and brake dust (iron, and some composition materials found in brake disc pads, and shoes). They bind to the surface. It does not dissolve easily - oxalic acid and sodium hypochlorite (I think) work eventually, but the COSHH implications are serious, so full protective suiting and air fed masks, or better don’t do it at all.

Yes that makes sense, it does look like an oxidisation of some sort rather than pure dirt.
Presumably if it was just dirt there wouldnt be a uniform covering on the roof?

Kirky
Title: Re: Exclusive - IT'S TWINS FOR REVOLUTION TRAINS!
Post by: Snowwolflair on May 11, 2018, 09:44:13 PM
I think we need the forensic science boys to dress up in white suits and go and take samples.  :D
Title: Re: Exclusive - IT'S TWINS FOR REVOLUTION TRAINS!
Post by: Ben A on May 11, 2018, 10:52:46 PM

Hello all,

Thanks to all those who ordered - as ever a surge at the last minute - but luckily enough people stepped forward in the early stages so we could get to this point!

In terms of weathering, Touax do seem to have made an effort to clean some of these wagons, but they do get very dirty!   The base colour is a RAL shade known as white aluminium, but often the important markings (wagon numbers, warnings etc) are rubbed clean.  Interestingly, the "cleaned" wagon in the post by JBQFC seem to have had some data panels painted blue, with white lettering added.

For those who wish to weather, and replicate the characteristic white peeling sticker effect, I did wonder whether it's worth clubbing together to get some white Cargowaggon dry transfers produced that could be rubbed on then scratched off in places to recreate that look.

cheers

Ben A.
Title: Re: Exclusive - IT'S TWINS FOR REVOLUTION TRAINS!
Post by: Graham on May 11, 2018, 10:55:58 PM
another few ordered.

now just need to hope the 320/321's get over the line.
Title: Re: Exclusive - IT'S TWINS FOR REVOLUTION TRAINS!
Post by: Intercity on May 12, 2018, 12:43:50 AM
I’m guilty of being one of the last minute spenders much to my wife’s annoyance, I hope you can give us all a bit of time to pay these off, and the 321s, before finding more for the KFAs and class 92s!!!!

Thanks again to you guys for bringing us another model, all your hard work is appreciated
Title: Re: Exclusive - IT'S TWINS FOR REVOLUTION TRAINS!
Post by: Merrylee on May 12, 2018, 10:55:02 AM
I just broke the deadline rule and bought another, payment went through okay.

Ron
Title: Re: Exclusive - IT'S TWINS FOR REVOLUTION TRAINS!
Post by: LeftToMyOwnDevices on May 12, 2018, 03:47:09 PM
After thinking about it for several months... :hmmm:

Have just placed a 'double', triple order (a triple of each), plus the Perrier wagon (ahhh...) and the tail-light one. :wave:

I'm guessing that the wagon numbers in the Triple packs will be different from each other?  ???

Would they also be different from the Single pack ones...? :worried:
Or, would it be worth my while ordering the single ones, to get all unique numbers...? :goggleeyes:

Either way, I'll still have more Dapol bogie versions... :help:

Hello Charles,

All the triple packs will feature wagons with different numbers, and these will be different to the singles.

Cheers

Ben A.

...I managed to order the two single sets (Original and Revised) at about 11:59 last evening... :)

...and I still do have more Dapol ones - but at least I can play 'mix and match' with them all. :D

Quite 'whether' I want to 'weather' any of them, I'll wait and see how my airbrushing skills develop... :worried:

So Ben, thank you for the timely reminder(s)...!

Charles.
Title: Re: Exclusive - IT'S TWINS FOR REVOLUTION TRAINS!
Post by: RailGooner on May 12, 2018, 05:06:57 PM
I just broke the deadline rule and bought another, payment went through okay.

Ron

I just broke the deadline for my second time today. :worried: Please Ben and Mike, make it stop now. :'( Pleeeeease! :'(
Title: Re: Exclusive - IT'S TWINS FOR REVOLUTION TRAINS!
Post by: Ben A on May 12, 2018, 06:13:44 PM

Hello all,

Thanks for all the orders for the IZA Cargowaggon twins.  Now we need to tot up the orders and send a PO off to the factory in China.

Once we get a clear indication of when we can expect delivery we will let people know.  We expect the KFA container flat to be the next order book to close, probably in about 3-4 weeks.

Apologies if it feels like these are all coming at once, we do our best to even things out (not least because it's harder for us - no sooner will all the Pendolinos be dispatched than we will be sending out Class B tankers) but sometimes slight bottlenecks are inevitable when some models take longer to develop than others.

cheers

Ben A.
Title: Re: Exclusive - IT'S TWINS FOR REVOLUTION TRAINS!
Post by: Merrylee on May 12, 2018, 07:34:17 PM

I just broke the deadline rule and bought another, payment went through okay.

Ron

I just broke the deadline for my second time today. :worried: Please Ben and Mike, make it stop now. :'( Pleeeeease! :'(

 :helpneededsign: my wife has just committed me to revolution re hab
Title: Re: Exclusive - IT'S TWINS FOR REVOLUTION TRAINS!
Post by: Snowwolflair on May 12, 2018, 08:07:14 PM

I just broke the deadline rule and bought another, payment went through okay.

Ron

I just broke the deadline for my second time today. :worried: Please Ben and Mike, make it stop now. :'( Pleeeeease! :'(

 :helpneededsign: my wife has just committed me to revolution re hab

You don't have to go cold turkey, Ben will do you a deal on some KFA's  :D
Title: Re: Exclusive - IT'S TWINS FOR REVOLUTION TRAINS!
Post by: Spanners70 on May 13, 2018, 09:17:56 PM
For anyone who didn’t order or thought about a few more looks like you can still order on the website. I nearly hit order but decided with 10 sets already on order it’s enough really as I’ve still got 29 35ton tanks on the way....
Title: Re: Exclusive - IT'S TWINS FOR REVOLUTION TRAINS!
Post by: RailGooner on May 13, 2018, 10:05:22 PM
 :helpneededsign:
I have no willpower. :'(
Title: Re: Exclusive - IT'S TWINS FOR REVOLUTION TRAINS!
Post by: red_death on May 14, 2018, 12:26:41 PM
Order book closed firmly now - busy with life on Saturday and packing Pendolinos yesterday! Thanks to everyone that placed orders.

Cheers, Mike
Title: Re: Exclusive - IT'S TWINS FOR REVOLUTION TRAINS!
Post by: njee20 on May 14, 2018, 01:36:44 PM
Well done gents on another successful order book. Sounded anecdotally like a late rush!
Title: Re: Exclusive - IT'S TWINS FOR REVOLUTION TRAINS!
Post by: red_death on September 06, 2018, 12:43:02 PM
The good news is that the Cargowaggon twins are in the UK (and by the sounds of it have cleared customs) after we airfreighted them in this week.  The bad news is that TNT have sent them to the wrong Brampton (Carlisle) rather than nr Huntingdon.

As per our newsletter earlier this week the deadline for telling us that you'd like to collect your order has now closed.  I'll send a confirmation email to everyone whose request we've received this evening explaining the situation and saying that we may or may not have the IZAs available for collection at the weekend!

Cheers, Mike
Title: Re: Exclusive - IT'S TWINS FOR REVOLUTION TRAINS!
Post by: Graham on September 07, 2018, 12:39:33 AM
used to get that sort of thing regularly before I retired, packages sent to Austria as opposed to Australia!!!

cheers
Gaham
Title: Re: Exclusive - IT'S TWINS FOR REVOLUTION TRAINS!
Post by: red_death on September 07, 2018, 06:04:04 PM
After a Herculean effort from Ben, the carrier has just delivered the IZAs direct to the exhibition centre. Early this morning it turned out that, despite being promised that they would come south overnight, they were actually still in Carlisle. Ben managed to convince the carrier that that wasn't good enough so to be fair they got them down the M6 this afternoon.

If you've prearranged collection with us then turn up at our stand when you're ready.

If you would like to collect your order and haven't agreed it with us in advance then please bring details of your order with you i.e. Order number, items and any balance owed (a copy of your order which you can print from our website) would be ideal!

Cheers Mike
Title: Re: Exclusive - IT'S TWINS FOR REVOLUTION TRAINS!
Post by: njee20 on September 07, 2018, 06:43:37 PM
Awesome news! Look forward to a chat tomorrow!
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Post by: hsthero on September 10, 2018, 01:52:35 PM
Picked mine up from Tings yesterday. I am really pleased with them as they look great. However I did encounter a problem when coupling them up.

The internal coupling retainers were not secured very well on my wagons  so when I pushed the coupling into the socket of the first twin the coupling retainers popped off inside the wagons and the coupler mechinism detached itself from the tiny spring and fell into the bodies.

It is really difficult to refit the spring and coupler. Not managed it yet. So my tip is, before coupling remove the bodies, which is very easy, and hold the retainers down with your index fingers while pushing the coupler into the sockets. Then replace the bodies. This worked well with the remainder of my twins.

Colin
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Post by: Snowwolflair on September 10, 2018, 01:56:22 PM
Picked mine up from Tings yesterday. I am really pleased with them as they look great. However I did encounter a problem when coupling them up.

The internal coupling retainers were not secured very well on my wagons  so when I pushed the coupling into the socket of the first twin the coupling retainers popped off inside the wagons and the coupler mechinism detached itself from the tiny spring and fell into the bodies.

It is really difficult to refit the spring and coupler. Not managed it yet. So my tip is, before coupling remove the bodies, which is very easy, and hold the retainers down with your index fingers while pushing the coupler into the sockets. Then replace the bodies. This worked well with the remainder of my twins.

Colin

Yes I had the same problem, but you only do it once. :D
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Post by: njee20 on September 10, 2018, 02:03:50 PM
I also had the same problem on a couple of mine. I refitted the wire spring (it just pushes in both sides), then fitted the black coupling insert thingy and used a small screwdriver to gently pull the spring forward over the lug on the coupling. Then refitted the cover with a dab of glue.
Title: Re: Exclusive - IT'S TWINS FOR REVOLUTION TRAINS!
Post by: Ben A on September 10, 2018, 11:40:31 PM
Hello all,

Thanks for the feedback on these - much appreciated.

I have investigated and it does seem that on a smalll number of models the plates holding the inner coupler sockets in position are not glued *that* securely.

As most who have received their models will probably know, the bodies pop off very easily so I agree with Colin's suggestion above that removing the bodies before coupling means you can use your fingertip to ensure the plates cannot move while you gently and smoothly click the twins together.

I have added a note to this effect on the Revolution website too. I will also raise this with the factory to ensure it does not happen with the IPA wagons.

Some have also reported that locomotives can struggle with long rates around tight radius curves (eg 9"). This is something we can do very little about as the scale length of the wagons means that the wheels do tend to drag on curves of less than 12".  Howeer the wagons are weighted to NMRA standards which are heavier than most UK models - the weights are screwed in so removing them may help a little.

Cheers

Ben A.
Title: Re: Exclusive - IT'S TWINS FOR REVOLUTION TRAINS!
Post by: westie7 on September 11, 2018, 07:56:07 AM
Some have also reported that locomotives can struggle with long rates around tight radius curves (eg 9"). This is something we can do very little about as the scale length of the wagons means that the wheels do tend to drag on curves of less than 12".

I get this problem already with Farish VGAs on Kato unitrack, nothing you can do about it
Title: Re: Exclusive - IT'S TWINS FOR REVOLUTION TRAINS!
Post by: rusticged on September 11, 2018, 03:03:27 PM
 :thumbsup:
Hi Ben and Mike
Collected my twins at TINGS and they are superb!! Delighted, as well, with the new range of items that will soon be on offer.

Most of all, I want to say a huge THANKYOU to you both for setting up the stand and managing it over the weekend on a voluntary basis for our benefit. We are very lucky N Gauge Modellers.

Thanks a Million
Ged.
Title: Re: Exclusive - IT'S TWINS FOR REVOLUTION TRAINS!
Post by: westie7 on September 15, 2018, 11:42:08 PM
Just checking my account on the Revolution website.
I’m showing 1 paid and 1 partial, .. somehow :D

Do I wait for the balance to be invoiced or just go ahead myself. Wouldn’t want to upset any system you have going for it

#9533

Cheers
Mark
Title: Re: Exclusive - IT'S TWINS FOR REVOLUTION TRAINS!
Post by: Merrylee on September 17, 2018, 09:56:00 PM
Cheltenham models had a batch of all types for sale at Ayr Model Rail Show at
The weekend there.
They look great.
Can't wait till mine arrive.

Ron
Title: Re: Exclusive - IT'S TWINS FOR REVOLUTION TRAINS!
Post by: kirky on September 18, 2018, 10:19:18 PM
@red_death (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=246) @Ben A (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=94)
Ive just checked the revolution trains website and as yet there doesnt appear to be any way of paying my outstanding balance on my twins order. Is this right? Am I just being impatient?

Cheers
Kirky
Title: Re: Exclusive - IT'S TWINS FOR REVOLUTION TRAINS!
Post by: red_death on September 19, 2018, 06:22:40 AM
Yes that is right. Please see the top News item on our site for details of how we will process orders.

Cheers Mike
Title: Re: Exclusive - IT'S TWINS FOR REVOLUTION TRAINS!
Post by: Intercity on September 19, 2018, 03:54:11 PM
One more question, will the invoice be separate for each order (if we put in multiple separate orders) or will you combine the total remaining into one invoice, if the former and each is paid separately do you ship as each is paid or wait until all items are complete.
Title: Re: Exclusive - IT'S TWINS FOR REVOLUTION TRAINS!
Post by: woodbury22uk on September 19, 2018, 04:36:54 PM
One more question, will the invoice be separate for each order (if we put in multiple separate orders) or will you combine the total remaining into one invoice, if the former and each is paid separately do you ship as each is paid or wait until all items are complete.

Not a definitive answer but for the Class B tanks my orders were grouped together in one invoice and came in one shipment.
Title: Re: Exclusive - IT'S TWINS FOR REVOLUTION TRAINS!
Post by: red_death on September 19, 2018, 10:20:17 PM
We try to group invoices and shipments (where possible) but I do make mistakes and miss orders occasionally!
Title: Re: Exclusive - IT'S TWINS FOR REVOLUTION TRAINS!
Post by: Steven B on September 27, 2018, 12:45:35 PM
Quote
Order number 7980 to your collection point please

Paid in full orders have started to arrive....


Steven B.
Title: Re: Exclusive - IT'S TWINS FOR REVOLUTION TRAINS!
Post by: woodbury22uk on September 27, 2018, 12:55:52 PM
Mine have arrived. Only unpacked the Perrier twin to show off to the French N gauge Forum. The others will have to wait until the weekend.

(https://i41.servimg.com/u/f41/12/12/53/02/perrie10.jpg) (https://servimg.com/view/12125302/195)
Title: Re: Exclusive - IT'S TWINS FOR REVOLUTION TRAINS!
Post by: Graham on September 28, 2018, 07:48:42 AM
just logged onto my Revolution account and seen my orders are awaiting payment, payment made now time to sit back and wait very impatiently.
Title: Re: Exclusive - IT'S TWINS FOR REVOLUTION TRAINS!
Post by: PaulCheffus on September 28, 2018, 10:35:32 AM
just logged onto my Revolution account and seen my orders are awaiting payment, payment made now time to sit back and wait very impatiently.

Hi

I assumed this would be the same as the class B tanks and was waiting for an email.

Edit: Maybe I did get an email but unfortunately the email account associated with this order is no longer valid as EE removed their email facility. I have updated my details but it would appear that old orders don't get updated with this.

Cheers

Paul
Title: Re: Exclusive - IT'S TWINS FOR REVOLUTION TRAINS!
Post by: red_death on September 28, 2018, 12:21:11 PM
Hi folks

Sorry I've not been posting much - real job has sent me to Belgium twice and Berlin over the past 3 weeks. 

Happily the deposit/balance software worked for the IZAs which made sending out the balance invoices much simpler than having to do it manually as for the Class B tanks.  The down side of it is that each line on a deposit invoice generates a new invoice (with no way of merging invoices) for the relevant balance.  I guess that is in case you have lots of different products which need the balance invoices generating at different times.  Not ideal but the alternative is we do away with the deposit/balance system (which would save us a lot of work!).


Paul is correct that updating any of your details (email or postal address) does not automatically feed through to any open orders - when we print orders for packing we update the shipping address to the current address on the account.  Emails don't get automatically checked but once we come to do a second sweep of any outstanding orders we will double-check that emails are up to date.

The large majority of IZA balance invoices have been generated now so if you haven't seen yours then login to your account to check if there are any open orders for IZA balances.

Cheers, Mike
Title: Re: Exclusive - IT'S TWINS FOR REVOLUTION TRAINS!
Post by: Tavora on September 29, 2018, 03:15:56 PM
I know someone that got  today one Cargowaggon and one Perrier. Lovely things but...

Sadly Revolution Trains continue to do basic mistakes, the Cargowaggon in the invoice states N-IZA-2102 with Flashing Tail Light Fitted and they sent the N-IZA-2101 without Tail Light.

Trying to help my friend to send an email to them is proving difficult when the only thing you get is BAD GATEWAY message on the computer screen. Does anyone knows of easy ways of contact them other than by snail mail.

Not very good for an online company. Surely they should be doing much better.  :veryangry:
Title: Re: Exclusive - IT'S TWINS FOR REVOLUTION TRAINS!
Post by: rusticged on September 29, 2018, 03:56:55 PM
Hi Tavora
Revolution is not a company in the ordinary sense of the word. It is 2 unpaid enthusiasts who have set up a crowdfunding organisation to create models that the mainstream companies have chosen not to produce. The 2 men in question do all the work, on a voluntary basis, when they have time between their normal jobs.
Getting a 'bad gateway' message on the website does not mean that your email has not got through. Give Mike 2 or 3 days to respond as his normal job has meant travelling abroad in the last few days. He will do everything to sort out the problem once he is aware of it.
Title: Re: Exclusive - IT'S TWINS FOR REVOLUTION TRAINS!
Post by: Ben A on September 29, 2018, 04:53:01 PM
I know someone that got  today one Cargowaggon and one Perrier. Lovely things but...

Sadly Revolution Trains continue to do basic mistakes, the Cargowaggon in the invoice states N-IZA-2102 with Flashing Tail Light Fitted and they sent the N-IZA-2101 without Tail Light.

Trying to help my friend to send an email to them is proving difficult when the only thing you get is BAD GATEWAY message on the computer screen. Does anyone knows of easy ways of contact them other than by snail mail.

Not very good for an online company. Surely they should be doing much better.  :veryangry:

Hello Tavora,

I don't know when your email was sent but it will certainly be read and acted on - probably on Monday or Tuesday - and you can expect to hear from us in due course with arrangements to replace the wrong model that was sent.

In terms of "doing better" we are learning with each product, so the IZAs are going out faster than the Pendolinos did because we have streamlined part of the process, but when sending out hundreds of products it is inevitable that mistakes will be made in a small number of cases.

cheers

Ben A.
Title: Re: Exclusive - IT'S TWINS FOR REVOLUTION TRAINS!
Post by: woodbury22uk on September 29, 2018, 05:39:36 PM
I have now unboxed all 6 of my twin sets, and put them in a siding, waiting traction to move them. I thought I would look at how they compare gaugewise with continental stock in 1/160 scale. The attached photo shows a twin next to a Minitrix Cargowaggon two axle van, and next to an Arnold cereal hopper.

Pleased that the 1/148 scale IZA would not look out of place in an N continental freight train, even if the real IZA wagon would be a bit lower than a real continental gauge wagon. The most apparent mismatch is that the Minitrix solebar is closer to rail level, but really not obvious unless you are looking for it.


The continental gauge twin wagon stands quite a lot higher than the Uk gauge one 4.265 height/31 m length, against 3.916m height/27m length for the UK gauge version.

http://www.touaxrail.com/sites/touax/files/Himrrs.pdf (http://www.touaxrail.com/sites/touax/files/Himrrs.pdf)

http://www.touaxrail.com/sites/touax/files/Hfirrs%204_0.pdf (http://www.touaxrail.com/sites/touax/files/Hfirrs%204_0.pdf)


(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/69/1599-290918172309.jpeg)


Title: Re: Exclusive - IT'S TWINS FOR REVOLUTION TRAINS!
Post by: westie7 on September 30, 2018, 10:49:21 AM
Interesting, I have a bunch of Mintrix vans which I've lowered by eliminating the sliding doors and reattaching the roof slightly lower.

Can't wait to get them next to the IZAs
Title: Re: Exclusive - IT'S TWINS FOR REVOLUTION TRAINS!
Post by: monkey_brains on October 03, 2018, 12:12:12 PM
Collected mine from the post office this morning - truly stunning models in every way - even a well designed & good looking outer sleeve, hopefully this is the first of many Revolution models for me!

Not sure why but I was expecting the box to be bigger given there was 20 wagons in there - Hattons take note it is possible to pack efficiently!
Title: Re: Exclusive - IT'S TWINS FOR REVOLUTION TRAINS!
Post by: Vonzack on October 03, 2018, 01:27:20 PM
My IZAs arrived in the post yesterday  :D but the wife signed for them  :(

The wagons look fantastic, finish and detail are excellent. The fixed coupling between the twins and the pockets seem to work really well. I had a quick look at the version with the tail light last night and when I got the batteries in the right way round it looked the business. Great job all those involved.

Cheers, Mark.

Title: Re: Exclusive - IT'S TWINS FOR REVOLUTION TRAINS!
Post by: Merrylee on October 03, 2018, 09:47:12 PM
Well postie left a 'sorry we missed you' card for me yesterday and I picked them up tonight on way home from work.
All I can say is packaging and presentation is superb and the wagons themselves
are quality.
Well done chaps.....now bring on the KFAs.

Ron
Title: Re: Exclusive - IT'S TWINS FOR REVOLUTION TRAINS!
Post by: Tavora on October 06, 2018, 03:20:48 PM
I know someone that got  today one Cargowaggon and one Perrier. Lovely things but...

Sadly Revolution Trains continue to do basic mistakes, the Cargowaggon in the invoice states N-IZA-2102 with Flashing Tail Light Fitted and they sent the N-IZA-2101 without Tail Light.

Trying to help my friend to send an email to them is proving difficult when the only thing you get is BAD GATEWAY message on the computer screen. Does anyone knows of easy ways of contact them other than by snail mail.

Not very good for an online company. Surely they should be doing much better.  :veryangry:

Hello Tavora,

I don't know when your email was sent but it will certainly be read and acted on - probably on Monday or Tuesday - and you can expect to hear from us in due course with arrangements to replace the wrong model that was sent.

In terms of "doing better" we are learning with each product, so the IZAs are going out faster than the Pendolinos did because we have streamlined part of the process, but when sending out hundreds of products it is inevitable that mistakes will be made in a small number of cases.

cheers

Ben A.

Still waiting for the promised email. :thumbsdown: :thumbsdown: :thumbsdown: :thumbsdown: :thumbsdown:

So what now, Ben?   :uneasy:  :sleep: :sleep: :sleep:

Keep on waiting?  :help: :help: :help:

 :veryangry: :veryangry: :veryangry:


Title: Re: Exclusive - IT'S TWINS FOR REVOLUTION TRAINS!
Post by: Intercity on October 06, 2018, 04:04:21 PM
Just transferred this weeks paycheck to revolution, now on the waiting for the postie bandwagon, hopefully the international delivery people don’t bash up the package.

When paying for each item I had a card declined a couple of times (that was resolved with a call to the bank, every time I buy stuff overseas they instantly flag it as suspect), also had a bad gateway error, closed that screen out and checked my email and revolution account and it shows paid (there is a warning on the homepage about that), but all in all easy to complete the orders.
Title: Re: Exclusive - IT'S TWINS FOR REVOLUTION TRAINS!
Post by: Ben A on October 06, 2018, 04:20:53 PM

Hello Tavora,

I have been in contact this week with two customers who got the wrong models - one I know personally, the other I thought may be you but apparently not.

I will PM you so we can start getting this sorted on Monday.

But... I get it.  You got sent the wrong model.  It was a mistake.  I have apologised.  There's no need for all the "tantrum" emoticons!

Cheers

Ben A.
Title: Re: Exclusive - IT'S TWINS FOR REVOLUTION TRAINS!
Post by: jpendle on October 07, 2018, 04:41:54 PM
Just received my models here in Colorado.
I spent 15 minutes going through the bins looking for the batteries before I saw a hand written note on the back of the instructions, saying ‘No batteries for you!’
Or rather that batteries can’t be sent airmail.

I get them on the layout today, but at first look they are very good.

Thanks Ben and Mike

John P
Title: Re: Exclusive - IT'S TWINS FOR REVOLUTION TRAINS!
Post by: Graham on October 09, 2018, 06:31:24 AM
All of mine have arrived, some on Friday and rest this afternoon after a weekend of chewing fingernails off wondering what happened to the 2nd package.

What a tremendous model, once again the team at Revolution have provided great service. thanks @Ben A (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=94) @red_death (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=246) . Now for the KFA and Class 92's.
Title: Re: Exclusive - IT'S TWINS FOR REVOLUTION TRAINS!
Post by: red_death on October 09, 2018, 10:53:27 AM
Apologies for any worry caused by multiple packages - we try to fit things to standard package sizes but sometimes it is better to split orders!

Sorry about the batteries for overseas customers - the required batteries are 2 x CR927 batteries (we got a load off Ebay though Amazon also have them) if that is any help.

Cheers, Mike
Title: Re: Exclusive - IT'S TWINS FOR REVOLUTION TRAINS!
Post by: Graham on October 09, 2018, 12:18:21 PM
I blame Australia Post, both parcels posted same day, one delivered by the parcels arm of AP, the other by normal postie!! go figure.

cheers
Graham
Title: Re: Exclusive - IT'S TWINS FOR REVOLUTION TRAINS!
Post by: robert shrives on October 09, 2018, 05:55:37 PM
Mike,
Thanks again for a wonderful model and the great customer service  from  both of you - all the management and staff of Revolution in one !

The battery code is a great bit of info - mine were left on at work on the training layout and funnily 3 days later flat - still round of course but quite flat !
Off to hunt for some now.

Looking forward to the new models - even if bank account might not !!
Robert   
Title: Re: Exclusive - IT'S TWINS FOR REVOLUTION TRAINS!
Post by: kirky on October 09, 2018, 07:29:24 PM
@Ben A (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=94)  @red_death (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=246)
I suppose someone will eventually ask this, if it hasn't already been asked: is it possible to convert the power supply to a dcc power supply, thus not needing a battery?  I have done a blinking light tutorial some time ago... ah here it is .. http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=3813.msg43148#msg43148 (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=3813.msg43148#msg43148) . This is just so I don't do what @robert shrives (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=2605) has done because I am sure to forget to turn it off it an exhibition and you can guarantee I wont have any spares.

Just wondering.

Cheers
Kirky
Title: Re: Exclusive - IT'S TWINS FOR REVOLUTION TRAINS!
Post by: Ben A on October 10, 2018, 05:07:54 PM

Hi Kirky,

I haven't done a conversion so I don't know whether it would be simple or not but I'd be interested to hear if anyone has!

Cheers

Ben A.
Title: Re: Exclusive - IT'S TWINS FOR REVOLUTION TRAINS!
Post by: PaulCheffus on October 10, 2018, 05:11:13 PM
@Ben A ([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=94[/url])  @red_death ([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=246[/url])
I suppose someone will eventually ask this, if it hasn't already been asked: is it possible to convert the power supply to a dcc power supply, thus not needing a battery?  I have done a blinking light tutorial some time ago... ah here it is .. [url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=3813.msg43148#msg43148[/url] ([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=3813.msg43148#msg43148[/url]) . This is just so I don't do what @robert shrives ([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=2605[/url]) has done because I am sure to forget to turn it off it an exhibition and you can guarantee I wont have any spares.

Just wondering.

Cheers
Kirky


Hi

First problem to overcome is pickups that don't cause any drag. Once that is resolved then the rest should be straight forward.

Cheers

Paul
Title: Re: Exclusive - IT'S TWINS FOR REVOLUTION TRAINS!
Post by: cutting42 on October 10, 2018, 05:11:30 PM

Hi Kirky,

I haven't done a conversion so I don't know whether it would be simple or not but I'd be interested to hear if anyone has!

Cheers

Ben A.

I will almost certainly do this. Will post on here as and when unless someone gets there first.
Title: Re: Exclusive - IT'S TWINS FOR REVOLUTION TRAINS!
Post by: Snowwolflair on October 10, 2018, 05:18:31 PM
Given the length of the battery life and the drag required for good electrical pickup for DCC on the wheels it's just not worth the effort.
Title: Re: Exclusive - IT'S TWINS FOR REVOLUTION TRAINS!
Post by: njee20 on October 10, 2018, 07:06:42 PM
Depends if you’re prone to forgetting you’ve left them on. You may not think it worthwhile, others may (and appear to) disagree.
Title: Re: Exclusive - IT'S TWINS FOR REVOLUTION TRAINS!
Post by: kiwi1941 on October 10, 2018, 09:10:01 PM
My immediate reaction when I received mine (with batteries) was to wonder whether a motion activated switch could be incorporated. Still pondering. Brian
Title: Re: Exclusive - IT'S TWINS FOR REVOLUTION TRAINS!
Post by: RailGooner on October 10, 2018, 09:33:22 PM
My immediate reaction when I received mine (with batteries) was to wonder whether a motion activated switch could be incororated. Still pondering. Brian

I have some from Train-Tech that are motion activated with a 4 minutes delayed off.
Title: Re: Exclusive - IT'S TWINS FOR REVOLUTION TRAINS!
Post by: Ben A on October 10, 2018, 10:26:06 PM

Hello all,

As an aside, this talk of tail lamps got me wondering why demountable tail lamps flash red, but the tail lights in MUs, HSTs or locomotives are non-flashing.

Anyone know the answer?

Cheers

Ben A.
Title: Re: Exclusive - IT'S TWINS FOR REVOLUTION TRAINS!
Post by: cutting42 on October 11, 2018, 01:22:08 AM
Given the length of the battery life and the drag required for good electrical pickup for DCC on the wheels it's just not worth the effort.

I hear you but I have ordered a set of the axle spring pickups from DCC Concepts and am looking forward to seeing how they work.

Title: Re: Exclusive - IT'S TWINS FOR REVOLUTION TRAINS!
Post by: StufromEGDL on October 11, 2018, 07:26:52 AM

Hello all,

As an aside, this talk of tail lamps got me wondering why demountable tail lamps flash red, but the tail lights in MUs, HSTs or locomotives are non-flashing.

Anyone know the answer?

Cheers

Ben A.

Hi Ben;

Way back in the midst of time, the first battery operated lamps didn't flash....but the flashing version were then introduced for the simplicity of saving battery life.

Later....
Stu from EGDL
Title: Re: Exclusive - IT'S TWINS FOR REVOLUTION TRAINS!
Post by: PaulCheffus on October 11, 2018, 10:27:00 AM
Given the length of the battery life and the drag required for good electrical pickup for DCC on the wheels it's just not worth the effort.

I hear you but I have ordered a set of the axle spring pickups from DCC Concepts and am looking forward to seeing how they work.

Hi

I did look at these for making resistive axles but in the end used conductive paint and a surface mount resistor glued to the wheel.

I would be interested to hear how well these work.

Cheers

Paul
Title: Re: Exclusive - IT'S TWINS FOR REVOLUTION TRAINS!
Post by: kirky on October 11, 2018, 01:05:48 PM

I would be interested to hear how well these work.

Cheers

Paul
These are what I used in my blinking light quoted above. I cut them in half, I think they are a bit long for N gauge. I did kind of twist them a bit against the spring wind to try and loosen them off a bit, because there is definitely a resistance. It does work though but I don't think I can say the wagon is 'free running'. However the Dapol 66 I use to pull this train seems OK with this wagon and 12 others.
Just my observations.
Cheers
Kirky
Title: Re: Exclusive - IT'S TWINS FOR REVOLUTION TRAINS!
Post by: jpendle on October 12, 2018, 07:43:29 PM
All of my wagons have the intermediate coupling on them, so that's twice as many as needed. Is everyone else the same or is some unfortunate soul missing their couplings?

Regards,

John P
Title: Re: Exclusive - IT'S TWINS FOR REVOLUTION TRAINS!
Post by: Snowwolflair on October 12, 2018, 07:47:13 PM
No that is how they were shipped and you can use the extra one to build a linked rake.
Title: Re: Exclusive - IT'S TWINS FOR REVOLUTION TRAINS!
Post by: woodbury22uk on October 12, 2018, 07:48:08 PM
All of my wagons have the intermediate coupling on them, so that's twice as many as needed. Is everyone else the same or is some unfortunate soul missing their couplings?

Regards,

John P


I think we all have them like that. the bonus is the spare can be used to couple permanently some troublesome wagons elsewhere on the layout.
Title: Re: Exclusive - IT'S TWINS FOR REVOLUTION TRAINS!
Post by: kirky on October 12, 2018, 10:02:42 PM
Actually its a really nice coupling. Really suitable for people who like create a rake of three link coupled trains provided the wagons have NEM pockets. Much nicer than the plain black bar ones I got from shapeways. I wonder if Revolution might like to sell these as an accessory? @Ben A (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=94)  @red_death (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=246) Id buy a few.

Cheers
Kirky
Title: Re: Exclusive - IT'S TWINS FOR REVOLUTION TRAINS!
Post by: njee20 on October 12, 2018, 10:12:12 PM
Agreed. Along with the BWHS pantographs too!
Title: Re: Exclusive - IT'S TWINS FOR REVOLUTION TRAINS!
Post by: Ben A on October 13, 2018, 04:06:38 AM

Hello all,

Yes, when you receive your twins there should be intermediate couplers in both cars.  This is for a few reasons:

1)  The couplers are moulded on a sprue with other parts needed on both wagons, so we may as well include them.

2)  Putting them in the coupler pocket loosens it very slightly, making it easier to couple the models together on the layout.

3)  Provides you with a spare, or an option for other models on the layout.

We do have some spares, and once the models have been "out there" for a while - and we have sent out any warranty replacements that may be needed - we could put bags of, say, 5 or 10 up for sale via the website if there's a demand.

Similar couplers will be used on the IPA car carriers too, again with spares.

The Pendolino pantographs are a unique design (well, the base is) but the 92s and 321s will have the standard Brecknell Willis High Speed panto, so we can look at the possibiity of selling them as accessories, though packaging may be an issue.

cheers

Ben A.
Title: Re: Exclusive - IT'S TWINS FOR REVOLUTION TRAINS!
Post by: StufromEGDL on October 13, 2018, 11:34:16 AM


The Pendolino pantographs are a unique design (well, the base is) but the 92s and 321s will have the standard Brecknell Willis High Speed panto, so we can look at the possibiity of selling them as accessories, though packaging may be an issue.

cheers

Ben A.

The easiest option to save packaging and mailing is to sell them direct from the stand at shows only....may make life a little less frantic!

Regards;
Stu in LCRA
Title: Re: Exclusive - IT'S TWINS FOR REVOLUTION TRAINS!
Post by: kirky on October 13, 2018, 03:29:00 PM
Ive had a bash at weathering mine.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/69/492-131018152556.jpeg)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/70/492-131018152620.jpeg)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/70/492-131018152650.jpeg)

cheers
Kirky
Title: Re: Exclusive - IT'S TWINS FOR REVOLUTION TRAINS!
Post by: RailGooner on October 13, 2018, 03:38:25 PM
Very good - and brave - work there Kirky! :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Exclusive - IT'S TWINS FOR REVOLUTION TRAINS!
Post by: jpendle on October 13, 2018, 04:51:19 PM
They look good Kirky.

What weathering techniques did you use?

Regards,

John P
Title: Re: Exclusive - IT'S TWINS FOR REVOLUTION TRAINS!
Post by: kirky on October 13, 2018, 05:05:32 PM
They look good Kirky.

What weathering techniques did you use?

Regards,

John P
Nothing particularly complex. I made up a mix of dirty brown; Humbrol 62, matt black and matt white with a touch of black metallic. I sprayed it on with an airbrush but I did consider painting with a brush, until I looked closely at some images online.  The way the IZAs have weathered really means you probably cant achieve the right finish with a brush.
For the panels, I simply took a damp flat brush - damped with white spirit- and dragged down over the paint pretty much immediately after spraying., to remove the brown. It left a nice cleanish panel.
Its not perfect by any means and I probably should have paid a bit more attention to the edges of the panels where the 'cargo wagon' yellow is showing through slightly more than it should. I didnt notice this until I looked at a close up of the photos.
Hope this helps.

Kirky
Title: Re: Exclusive - IT'S TWINS FOR REVOLUTION TRAINS!
Post by: Cooper on October 14, 2018, 07:46:23 PM
Picked mine up from Tings yesterday. I am really pleased with them as they look great. However I did encounter a problem when coupling them up.

The internal coupling retainers were not secured very well on my wagons  so when I pushed the coupling into the socket of the first twin the coupling retainers popped off inside the wagons and the coupler mechinism detached itself from the tiny spring and fell into the bodies.

It is really difficult to refit the spring and coupler. Not managed it yet. So my tip is, before coupling remove the bodies, which is very easy, and hold the retainers down with your index fingers while pushing the coupler into the sockets. Then replace the bodies. This worked well with the remainder of my twins.

Colin


I had this problem too with my pair, but in my case I lost the spring. 😔 How do I get a replacement please? @Ben A (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=94)
Title: Re: Exclusive - IT'S TWINS FOR REVOLUTION TRAINS!
Post by: Ben A on October 14, 2018, 09:59:54 PM

Hi there Cooper,

Is your model missing the parts list/spares information sheet? It should be in the box below the blister, under a small sheet of paper.

If so please PM me.

Cheers

Ben A.
Title: Re: Exclusive - IT'S TWINS FOR REVOLUTION TRAINS!
Post by: Cooper on October 15, 2018, 11:38:45 AM

Hi there Cooper,

Is your model missing the parts list/spares information sheet? It should be in the box below the blister, under a small sheet of paper.

If so please PM me.

Cheers

Ben A.

Ben, thank you, I had no idea that was there! Cheers, Neal.
Title: Re: Exclusive - IT'S TWINS FOR REVOLUTION TRAINS!
Post by: Intercity on October 16, 2018, 05:07:20 PM
Ben and Mike thank you so much for these fine models, mine turned up today and they are excellent looking wagons, good job the wife was at work when that box showed up!!!

Next to pair up a couple of 56s and see if they can move all 28 wagons.
Title: Re: Exclusive - IT'S TWINS FOR REVOLUTION TRAINS!
Post by: PaulCheffus on October 16, 2018, 08:51:43 PM
Hi

How well does everyone’s IZA run. Mine seems to be binding a little but I can’t see any reason for it.

Cheers

Paul
Title: Re: Exclusive - IT'S TWINS FOR REVOLUTION TRAINS!
Post by: Graham on October 16, 2018, 09:38:45 PM
Paul, I found the same on a couple of wagons. individually I took them off and checked each wheel found a couple of axels which were binding. I spun them end to end of the axel and they came good. I also put a small amount of lubricant into the wheel sockets which also helped. I have a rake of 12 pairs which now run beautifully.
 :beers:
Graham
Title: Re: Exclusive - IT'S TWINS FOR REVOLUTION TRAINS!
Post by: Ben A on October 16, 2018, 09:43:29 PM
Hi Paul,

I am sorry your IZA isn't running as well as you'd expect.  Are we talking about on the straight or gentle curves? The long wheelbase means that on tight curves they can drag a bit.

If on the straight, have you identified which axle is at fault?  One thing I have noticed is that the brake mouldings are very close to the wheel tread (as they should be) so if very slightly distorted could it be catching?

Alternatively is it worth checking that the axle pin point isn't faulty? If it has a small burr that could cause problems - and if so I'll send you a replacement.

Please PM me with details if that's the case.

Cheers

Ben A.
Title: Re: Exclusive - IT'S TWINS FOR REVOLUTION TRAINS!
Post by: PaulCheffus on October 16, 2018, 10:28:00 PM
Hi Paul,

I am sorry your IZA isn't running as well as you'd expect.  Are we talking about on the straight or gentle curves? The long wheelbase means that on tight curves they can drag a bit.

If on the straight, have you identified which axle is at fault?  One thing I have noticed is that the brake mouldings are very close to the wheel tread (as they should be) so if very slightly distorted could it be catching?

Alternatively is it worth checking that the axle pin point isn't faulty? If it has a small burr that could cause problems - and if so I'll send you a replacement.

Please PM me with details if that's the case.

Cheers

Ben A.

Hi Ben

Thanks for the reply.

This is on straight track and there are no burrs on the pinpoints. Swapping the wheels around and end on end makes no difference.

Looking at the brake blocks I think that maybe the issue. Are the two supposed to be connected under the axle? One of mine is but the other three look like they’ve had a small piece removed.

Cheers

Paul