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Title: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: Stevie DC on September 09, 2016, 07:24:22 PM
Hi all,

After months of not being able to doing anything modelling related, I got to sit down today and have a look at the Peco refrigerator van. I discovered that it is fairly close to the GNR and later LNER versions but the end details aren't right and it's missing several features.

So a bit of a play and I've come up with this:

(http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k481/Atso-Cad/2016-09-09%2018.55.34_zpsr2dzyhkl.jpg) (http://s1112.photobucket.com/user/Atso-Cad/media/2016-09-09%2018.55.34_zpsr2dzyhkl.jpg.html)

I've carved off the original end and roof details, scribed the planking back in, added end posts, footstep and ice filler hatches on top. I've also removed the Peco coupling pockets as I intend for this wagon to be part of a fix rake. I've still got to add on hand grabs, end ladders and vac pipes but I'm quite happy with how this has turned out so far.

Interestingly, this van could also be adapted to a variety of other GNR and early LNER types. If I can figure out a good way to change the side doors, I could create a good representation of the late 1920's versions of the 'LNER standard van'. I know that Farish now produces a similar vehicle but it's actually of a design from the 1940's (and rather expensive!). I've got a few more of these Peco kits on the way and will post as and when work allows!

3D printing will also resume once I've got some more resin for the printer!  :'(
Title: Re: Peco van modifications
Post by: Tank on September 10, 2016, 10:41:19 AM
Looks good Steve.

Title: Re: Peco van modifications
Post by: Stevie DC on September 11, 2016, 11:53:29 AM
Thanks Tank,

I've got some etched ladders, several more of these kits and a few 9ft wheelbase chassis to do some more variations on this theme.

I was brave last night and cut out 1.25mm (one plank) out of each end of another van before sticking the remaining bits back together. This now brings the body close to a scale 16ft and fits a Peco 9ft wagon chassis perfectly. The van is to become one of the earlier GNR ventilated vans. No pictures yet as: (a) I'm suppose to be working! and (b) it's covered in filler at the moment and not very  photogenic...  :D
Title: Re: Peco van modifications
Post by: Stevie DC on September 11, 2016, 05:23:18 PM
Hi all,

Work is finished and I've had a chance to rub down and spray some primer on the shortened van:

(http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k481/Atso-Cad/2016-09-11%2017.03.45_zpsisjvfjej.jpg) (http://s1112.photobucket.com/user/Atso-Cad/media/2016-09-11%2017.03.45_zpsisjvfjej.jpg.html)

The van on the left is now around 2.5-3mm shorter than the refrigeration van on the right. I've got to rescribe the planking where I've cut and shut the body as well as carefully take off the centre hinges and straps (it seems only GNR/LNER refrigeration and bannan vans had three hinges per door). The shorter van also differs slightly on the ends as it requires four posts per end compared to the refrigerator van's two. Also I've got to fit four torpedo ventilators to the short van, this will give it a bit of a different look. Hopefully the difference between the 9ft and 10ft wheelbases is apparently in the picture as well.

Much to do but I'm having fun!  :D
Title: Re: Peco van modifications
Post by: lil chris on September 11, 2016, 10:02:20 PM
Very nice job, it will be nice to see the finished job. I have a couple of NGS van kits to build yet when I find time, not sure what to build them has yet I need to do some research on what was used where my railway is based,ie ex L&Y/LMS.
Title: Re: Peco van modifications
Post by: Stevie DC on September 12, 2016, 07:32:39 PM
Very nice job, it will be nice to see the finished job. I have a couple of NGS van kits to build yet when I find time, not sure what to build them has yet I need to do some research on what was used where my railway is based,ie ex L&Y/LMS.

Thanks Chris, I can't wait to see them finished either!

For my own approximations of actual wagon types I'm using Tatlow's LNER Wagons as a reference. I'm sure that there is a similar reference book for L&Y stock. I've seen the NGS van kits and was wondering about getting a couple as a source of parts... Parkwood used to produce a similar kit for some LNER vans but I've not seen them available for a long time.

Back to PECO kit hacking, I've discovered that the GNR built two 26ft long hat vans for traffic between Luton and Kings Cross. If I sacrifice two of the refrigerator vans....  :hmmm:
Title: Re: Peco van modifications
Post by: lil chris on September 12, 2016, 08:08:59 PM
Sounds good Atso, I will get round to it eventually probably when I have finished the scenics.
Title: Re: Peco van modifications
Post by: Stevie DC on September 13, 2016, 12:05:03 PM
Ok, playing a bit more with the Peco refrigerator vans...

I decided to cut up two of the vans and splice them together to create a representation of the hat van. I've still got the roof to do as well as the door and end modifications.

Here is progress to date placed on the reference material...

(http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k481/Atso-Cad/2016-09-13%2011.33.51_zpstfy5d28h.jpg) (http://s1112.photobucket.com/user/Atso-Cad/media/2016-09-13%2011.33.51_zpstfy5d28h.jpg.html)

...and a shot of inside showing the reinforcements supporting the body around the cuts.

(http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k481/Atso-Cad/2016-09-13%2011.34.08_zpstddj5win.jpg) (http://s1112.photobucket.com/user/Atso-Cad/media/2016-09-13%2011.34.08_zpstddj5win.jpg.html)

The chassis will have to be scratchbuilt. I've found the 2mm association sells etched 'W' irons, springs, axle boxes and shorter axles that would be suitable for this vehicle.

As you can see, still plenty to do on this one along with a bit I'm not looking forward to. The hat van has vertical planking on the ends while the Peco van has horizontal. Do I fill the existing planking and try to scribe the vertical ones or do I ignore this feature?

Some more resin as arrived for the 3D printer so printing will resume once a slight modification to the printer have been completed.
Title: Re: Peco van modifications
Post by: lil chris on September 13, 2016, 05:04:44 PM
You know what will happen if you ignore the planking. You will know it is wrong even if the rivet counters do not spot it, and you will kick yourself for not doing it right.
Title: Re: Peco van modifications
Post by: Stevie DC on September 13, 2016, 05:49:59 PM
You know what will happen if you ignore the planking. You will know it is wrong even if the rivet counters do not spot it, and you will kick yourself for not doing it right.

Thanks for the input Chris - however, I think I'm going to leave it simply because I don't think I can do a good job rescribing the planking (better wrong than a bad job I think). As the van has had the most work put into it, I don't want to ruin it now. Besides this one will live in the middle of a fixed rake of wagons so no-one will be able to see the ends!  ;) If I find at a later date I can do this on another wagon, I can always go back.

Middle hinges have been taken off the doors now and the two roofs have been cut, joined and filled. Still need a bit more work getting to roof join seemless but it is almost there. I'll take a picture of the four wagons as they currently are a bit later.
Title: Re: Peco van modifications
Post by: Stevie DC on September 13, 2016, 07:32:51 PM
Current progress with the vans.

(http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k481/Atso-Cad/33cc1e87-3859-49e9-b402-f53368a8969c_zpsf1uhpxf3.jpg) (http://s1112.photobucket.com/user/Atso-Cad/media/33cc1e87-3859-49e9-b402-f53368a8969c_zpsf1uhpxf3.jpg.html)

The short ventilated van (3rd from right) still needs to get it's roof vents, the refrigerator van it's hand grabs and ladder and the covered van (far left) needs its solebars painting. The hat van is temporarily sitting on a Peco 15ft chassis (totally wrong but it's the right length - we'll see how long temporarily ends up being!).

As these are all fitted vans red oxide is the order of the day with the exception of the refrigerator van which will remain white (but will get a repaint). Decals should be fun as I'm looking to print my own. The refrigerator van should be reasonably simple as the lettering is black but the others will all have white lettering with the hat van having it's authorised areas painted on the side...

I've got another six of these kits and I'm researching more variations, although I really need to make at least a couple more refrigerator vans.
Title: Re: Peco van modifications
Post by: Jerry Howlett on September 15, 2016, 08:30:17 PM
Nice work.   :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Peco van modifications
Post by: Stevie DC on September 16, 2016, 08:39:04 AM
Thanks Jerry. I've got some bits a pieces arriving in the next few days and then I can experiment with trying to produce white transfers... Fingers crossed!
Title: Re: Peco van modifications
Post by: Marty on September 17, 2016, 12:39:07 AM
I like the hat van. Quite different. Keep it coming.

Marty
Title: Re: Peco van modifications
Post by: Stevie DC on September 17, 2016, 09:44:22 PM
I like the hat van. Quite different. Keep it coming.

Marty


Thanks Marty!

A few years ago, I purchased a 2mm scale association starter pack. Inside was a length of track and a wagon kit. As the wagon's chassis was an etched kit, this got looked at and filed under very nice but too complicated. However, having been soldering up some old Ultima etched Gresley sides the other day got me thinking that I might give the etched chassis a try.

(http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k481/Atso-Cad/2016-09-17%2021.30.43_zpstow6u9tl.jpg) (http://s1112.photobucket.com/user/Atso-Cad/media/2016-09-17%2021.30.43_zpstow6u9tl.jpg.html)

I'm not usually one to wield a soldering iron at all so I'm quite impressed with how this has turned out (as I am with the etched Gresley sides). It's got a few construction wobbles and I lost one axle box, but I'm encouraged enough to have a go at some complete 2mm kits - especially as they do kits for a GNR, GER and early LNER cattle vans! (A proper Toad E brake van is tempting as well!).
Title: Re: Peco van modifications
Post by: Marty on September 18, 2016, 02:18:36 PM
that looks very nice. Two questions. how long did it take you? and... wgere are the NEM coupler pockets?  :(

Marty
Title: Re: Peco van modifications
Post by: Stevie DC on September 18, 2016, 07:03:12 PM
that looks very nice. Two questions. how long did it take you? and... wgere are the NEM coupler pockets?  :(

Marty

Hi Marty and many thanks.

The chassis took about two and a half hours to build. To be fair most of this was continually referring to the instructions and understanding the construction methods. I think that the next one should be about an hour - especially as I plan to 'cheat' but designing and printing my own axle box covers rather than relying on the laminated etch method provided in the kit - these were the single most difficult part of the build, everything else was fairly easy.

No NEM pockets on a 2mm finescale kit! This doesn't concern me too much as I plan to use some of these as semi fixed rakes.

The chassis is currently running on finescale wheels which are somewhat sensitive to n gauge track. The 2mm association thoughtfully supplies appropriate axles to convert Farish wagon wheels to run with these kits as the chassis is designed to accept a 12mm long axle while Farish's and Dapol's are around 15mm in length.
Title: Various van kits and scratchbuilds
Post by: Stevie DC on October 04, 2016, 01:45:44 PM
Hi all,

Well my theory regarding producing white decals didn't work out so I'm now thinking how I can achieve the custom transfers I require cheaply.

In other news, my membership to the 2mm Scale Association has been accepted and I've received my first order from their shop today:

(http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k481/Atso-Cad/2016-10-04%2013.34.10_zpsrniqifpu.jpg) (http://s1112.photobucket.com/user/Atso-Cad/media/2016-10-04%2013.34.10_zpsrniqifpu.jpg.html)

Cattle vans is the main theme here and I've got three to build, one ex GER (the plastic mouldings but awaiting a suitable chassis to complete), one ex GNR and one early LNER (the etches). I've also got a couple of 9'6 wheelbase chassis to build which hopefully will fit my 3D printed GNR clerestory vent I designed last year. I've also splashed out on some nice buffers that have been cast in brass, some adaptor axles (to fit the etched chassis) that'll accept Farish wheels and some etched 'w' irons that'll be used for a couple of other projects.

I'm looking forward to further improving my soldering skills (or lack of!) and would be happy to post construction photos of my progress if these would be on interest to people.
Title: Re: Was Peco van modifications now Various van kits and scratchbuilds
Post by: Stevie DC on October 04, 2016, 07:46:19 PM
Ok, started this about 3:30 and got carried away...

(http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k481/Atso-Cad/2016-10-04%2019.38.29_zpsj6csy5gt.jpg) (http://s1112.photobucket.com/user/Atso-Cad/media/2016-10-04%2019.38.29_zpsj6csy5gt.jpg.html)

Roof isn't attached yet...
Title: Re: Was Peco van modifications now Various van kits and scratchbuilds
Post by: Stevie DC on October 05, 2016, 11:40:16 AM
Hi all,

On with the chassis. I actually to some pictures (badly!) this time...

Taking the chassis etch, the first job was to cut out the main chassis part, open up the bearing holes slightly and solder in the bearings. I used solder paste and soldered from the front face to ensure I didn't get any solder inside the bearing surface.

(http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k481/Atso-Cad/2016-10-05%2009.54.25_zpsu3foeiga.jpg) (http://s1112.photobucket.com/user/Atso-Cad/media/2016-10-05%2009.54.25_zpsu3foeiga.jpg.html)

Then I folded the 'w' irons and brake gear hangers before testing it with wheels (Farish on the 2mm conversion axle) to make sure everything was free running and level before testing with the body and making adjustments to fit as required.

(http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k481/Atso-Cad/2016-10-05%2010.00.12_zps7e57aqp3.jpg) (http://s1112.photobucket.com/user/Atso-Cad/media/2016-10-05%2010.00.12_zps7e57aqp3.jpg.html)

(http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k481/Atso-Cad/2016-10-05%2010.10.29_zpsr2pcg2xf.jpg) (http://s1112.photobucket.com/user/Atso-Cad/media/2016-10-05%2010.10.29_zpsr2pcg2xf.jpg.html)

Next up were the sole bars. These need to be folded up from the three layers pictured below to get the correct chassis width.

(http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k481/Atso-Cad/2016-10-05%2010.43.20_zpsvaild5fe.jpg) (http://s1112.photobucket.com/user/Atso-Cad/media/2016-10-05%2010.43.20_zpsvaild5fe.jpg.html)

Unfortunately, things weren't quite that simple with this kit. The sole bars supplied with the chassis are unsuitable for the cattle van due to the van's length. Substitute sole bars are supplied with the body kit for this purpose and were added as the topmost layer instead.

Next I cut out the brake etch from the fret. This is a clever bit of design as it is also a simple fold up piece that sits in etched slots in the main chassis. Once in place solder paste was applied to the handy access holes in the etch and soldered solid.

(http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k481/Atso-Cad/2016-10-05%2010.58.56_zpsaudzuagv.jpg) (http://s1112.photobucket.com/user/Atso-Cad/media/2016-10-05%2010.58.56_zpsaudzuagv.jpg.html)

After this, I threaded some 0.25mm wire through the brake hangers and soldered up.

At this point I stopped as I need to do a bit of thinking about the brake handles. These don't line up with the replacement sole bar overlays so I can't attach them until a solution is found. I do have some etched springs and axleboxes but might have a go at 3D printing these rather than laminating very small etches...

Today's progress has resulted in this:

(http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k481/Atso-Cad/2016-10-05%2011.07.49_zpsrykeqpe4.jpg) (http://s1112.photobucket.com/user/Atso-Cad/media/2016-10-05%2011.07.49_zpsrykeqpe4.jpg.html)

Apologies for the horrible photos (my phone camera) and I hope that the above makes sense to somebody other than me!
Title: Re: Was Peco van modifications now Various van kits and scratchbuilds
Post by: Stevie DC on October 05, 2016, 11:51:55 AM
Somewhat better picture of progress to date...

(http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k481/Atso-Cad/2016-10-05%2011.47.00_zpsfwdcutii.jpg) (http://s1112.photobucket.com/user/Atso-Cad/media/2016-10-05%2011.47.00_zpsfwdcutii.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Was Peco van modifications now Various van kits and scratchbuilds
Post by: Stevie DC on October 06, 2016, 07:16:24 PM
I've mostly built the GER cattle wagon today. Not going to go into this one as it's just a plastic kit mounted on an etched chassis similar to the one above.

However, I've been playing with some of the 2mm Association's etched 'W' irons and came up with this this evening.

(http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k481/Atso-Cad/2016-10-06%2018.57.37_zpsftc6bmbg.jpg) (http://s1112.photobucket.com/user/Atso-Cad/media/2016-10-06%2018.57.37_zpsftc6bmbg.jpg.html)

Show next to a standard Peco brake for comparison. The 'W' irons are held in place with bluetack, hence why they're wonky. A bit of a long term project this one...
Title: Re: Peco van modifications
Post by: paulprice on October 06, 2016, 09:22:21 PM
Current progress with the vans.

([url]http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k481/Atso-Cad/33cc1e87-3859-49e9-b402-f53368a8969c_zpsf1uhpxf3.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://s1112.photobucket.com/user/Atso-Cad/media/33cc1e87-3859-49e9-b402-f53368a8969c_zpsf1uhpxf3.jpg.html[/url])

The short ventilated van (3rd from right) still needs to get it's roof vents, the refrigerator van it's hand grabs and ladder and the covered van (far left) needs its solebars painting. The hat van is temporarily sitting on a Peco 15ft chassis (totally wrong but it's the right length - we'll see how long temporarily ends up being!).

As these are all fitted vans red oxide is the order of the day with the exception of the refrigerator van which will remain white (but will get a repaint). Decals should be fun as I'm looking to print my own. The refrigerator van should be reasonably simple as the lettering is black but the others will all have white lettering with the hat van having it's authorised areas painted on the side...

I've got another six of these kits and I'm researching more variations, although I really need to make at least a couple more refrigerator vans.


Looking good, its even got me thinking
Title: Re: Was Peco van modifications now Various van kits and scratchbuilds
Post by: maridunian on October 07, 2016, 09:54:02 AM
Show next to a standard Peco brake for comparison. The 'W' irons are held in place with bluetack, hence why they're wonky. A bit of a long term project this one...

How interesting - any thoughts on how it will traverse tight curves (or will it live in 2mm world, where all the curves are above average radius?)

Mike
Title: Re: Was Peco van modifications now Various van kits and scratchbuilds
Post by: Stevie DC on October 07, 2016, 11:47:59 AM
How interesting - any thoughts on how it will traverse tight curves (or will it live in 2mm world, where all the curves are above average radius?)

Mike

Hi Mike,

I'm definitely staying as an N gauge modeller for the time being so it'll need to be able to traverse just under a 10 inch radius! The current plan is to use 2mm adaptor axles with bearings on the outer 'W' irons and simply ream out the bearing holes on the inner ones and use standard Farish wagon wheels and axles. I hope that there will be sufficient side play to allow it to get around curves. If this fails my fallback position will be to place the inner wheels in a drill and file off the flanges.

Fingers crossed that one of these ideas works!
Title: Re: Was Peco van modifications now Various van kits and scratchbuilds
Post by: Stevie DC on November 18, 2016, 04:59:27 PM
All gone a bit quiet again here so in an effort to get some modelling done I've been playing with the old Farish bogie sulphate wagon.

I stripped the wagon back down into it's component parts and then filed the top of the bogie pivot down to the same height as the bogie stretcher.

(http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k481/Atso-Cad/2016-11-18%2016.42.39_zpsrpkadkqm.jpg) (http://s1112.photobucket.com/user/Atso-Cad/media/2016-11-18%2016.42.39_zpsrpkadkqm.jpg.html)

Sorry about the poor quality photo but hopefully you can see the difference this makes in the height of the wagon (left) against an unaltered one (right) and how much better the model seems with a minimal gap between the bogies and solebar. The wagon is now almost 2mm lower and will still go around a 9 3/4 inch curve to boot!

I've also changed the wheels for modern Farish ones - I've got some correct 3 hole wheels somewhere but they've eluded me so far today!
Title: Re: Was Peco van modifications now Various van kits and scratchbuilds
Post by: Newportnobby on November 18, 2016, 08:05:34 PM
Nice job, Steve. The difference is remarkable :thumbsup:
I can guess what a bogie pivot is but what's a bogie stretcher, please? Somehow I don't think it involves nasal gardening :no: :dunce:
Title: Re: Was Peco van modifications now Various van kits and scratchbuilds
Post by: Stevie DC on November 20, 2016, 02:25:38 PM
Nice job, Steve. The difference is remarkable :thumbsup:
I can guess what a bogie pivot is but what's a bogie stretcher, please? Somehow I don't think it involves nasal gardening :no: :dunce:

 :laughabovepost:

Thanks newportnobby!

The bogie stretcher is the piece that runs between the two outer side frames and connects to the pivot hole, nothing to do with the green stuff at all I'm afraid!
Title: Re: Was Peco van modifications now Various van kits and scratchbuilds
Post by: Stevie DC on January 17, 2017, 06:28:26 PM
Hi all,

Following a somewhat down and out Christmas, I felt like I'd lost my modelling mojo again. However, I picked myself up and went to the Stevenage show last Sunday. While there, I came across the BH Enterprises stand and found several etched brass kits. These are all re-releases of kits originally produced in 1991 and included to my joy, a GCR fish van and a GNR brake van!

Anyway, I've finally managed to do some modelling for the first time in six or seven weeks yesterday by soldering up the for kits. Three of them are pictured below (the four, another GNR brake van, is drying having received a squirt of primer).

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/47/213-170117182644.jpeg)

From left to right: GCR fish van, GNR brake van, LNER/NER perishables van.

I'm looking forward to getting some more of these!  :D
Title: Re: Was Peco van modifications now Various van kits and scratchbuilds
Post by: Stevie DC on January 18, 2017, 09:45:10 AM
Ray at BHE was kind enough to let me pop over last night and buy some more of his wagon kits. I'm now the owner of another brake van, fish van and three fruit vans. I did also get another perishables van but the etch isn't great (badly etched with most of the detail lost) so hopefully Ray will let me swap it for a better example.

(http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k481/Atso-Cad/BHE%20Fruit%20and%20GNR%20Brake%20Van%20kits_zpsdthoynsd.jpg) (http://s1112.photobucket.com/user/Atso-Cad/media/BHE%20Fruit%20and%20GNR%20Brake%20Van%20kits_zpsdthoynsd.jpg.html)

(http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k481/Atso-Cad/BHE%20Fish%20and%20Fruit%20Van%20kits_zpspxduj6nb.jpg) (http://s1112.photobucket.com/user/Atso-Cad/media/BHE%20Fish%20and%20Fruit%20Van%20kits_zpspxduj6nb.jpg.html)

I'm toying with the idea of making the latest GNR brake van as a six wheel version (it's too short for the 8 wheeler!). This wouldn't be strictly accurate as all the photographs I've seen of the six wheel brake van had horizontal planking (the kit represents a van with vertical planking) but it's be close enough - and better than anything I could scratch build. This will mean however that I cannot use a Peco chassis as the kit was intended. Luckily I've got several of the 2mm Association's 'W' iron kits (as per a previous post) so these will be used along with a bit of scratch building.
Title: Re: Was Peco van modifications now Various van kits and scratchbuilds
Post by: Stevie DC on January 18, 2017, 07:13:45 PM
Today's progress:

(http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k481/Atso-Cad/2017-01-18%2019.00.05_zpsfofojhvt.jpg) (http://s1112.photobucket.com/user/Atso-Cad/media/2017-01-18%2019.00.05_zpsfofojhvt.jpg.html)

I did take some construction photos of the fish van and can post if anyone is interested.
Title: Re: Was Peco van modifications now Various van kits and scratchbuilds
Post by: Stevie DC on January 19, 2017, 05:00:24 PM
Having soldered the buffers and coupling hooks onto the last two wagons, I had a moment of insanity today. It suddenly occurred to me that all the vans are vacuum braked types and, since the etch provided coupling hooks, I really should add some vacuum brake pipes as well. To complicate things further, the pipe has two bends in it so that it ends up more or less central on the body at the point where the flexible hose attaches.

Out with some thin wound guitar wire and I removed about 10 mm of winding before setting about bending everything to shape. Final trimming to size, a tiny amount of solder paste and a lot of flux and I managed to attach these to the bodies of two vans without unsoldering anything else!

(http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k481/Atso-Cad/2017-01-19%2016.46.57_zps5ymzgiei.jpg) (http://s1112.photobucket.com/user/Atso-Cad/media/2017-01-19%2016.46.57_zps5ymzgiei.jpg.html)

Two down seven to go!

Edit: I also added the grab rails onto the doors of the vans.
Title: Re: Was Peco van modifications now Various van kits and scratchbuilds
Post by: Stevie DC on January 22, 2017, 02:30:30 PM
Well I'm now waiting to see if my soaking the two original vans with badly glued roofs in paint stripper will result in the araldite bond weakening enough to separate the parts and have a second go. However, I have managed to successfully get the roofs onto the other four vans (one was even soldered but a lot of faffing about to achieve that!).

Below is a picture of the progress on other the four vans. The three fruit vans each have a different chassis to create a little variety and represent three incarnations of this design over the years. The chassis are various Peco products representing wooden and steel solebars and 9' and 10' wheelbases.

(http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k481/Atso-Cad/2017-01-22%2014.13.19_zpskquspn3h.jpg) (http://s1112.photobucket.com/user/Atso-Cad/media/2017-01-22%2014.13.19_zpskquspn3h.jpg.html)

As you can see in the picture, the middle fruit van needs a bit of fettling to get it to sit properly on it's chassis.

Once I've managed to get the original two vans to the state pictured above, I'll make a start on the third of my GNR brake vans.
Title: Re: Was Peco van modifications now Various van kits and scratchbuilds
Post by: Stevie DC on January 24, 2017, 06:47:14 PM
A bit of progress with the vans. Roofs are attached to all the vans with the exception of the brake van. This is because I needed to get into the veranda areas using a rattle can of etch primer from Halfords - I couldn't see any way of doing this with the roof on. Not in picture is the second brake van which is still in it's raw brass state.

(http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k481/Atso-Cad/2017-01-24%2018.09.52_zpssngvrlti.jpg) (http://s1112.photobucket.com/user/Atso-Cad/media/2017-01-24%2018.09.52_zpssngvrlti.jpg.html)

But wait! There's and interloper in the rake!

(http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k481/Atso-Cad/2017-01-24%2018.10.32_zpsrrpq8uwv.jpg) (http://s1112.photobucket.com/user/Atso-Cad/media/2017-01-24%2018.10.32_zpsrrpq8uwv.jpg.html)

An old GNR Clerestory fruit van has made an appearance! This is something I designed over a year ago but kept having problems printing it on my B9Creator. I finally figured out why I was having problems an after a quick redesign it was successfully printed today. Other than remove the printer supports and give it a squire of Halfords red plastic primer, I've not done any cleaning up to the print (although it could do with a bit of smoothing on the roof). The chassis is a Peco 10' wooden solebar version which is a scale two inches too long in the wheelbase (c. 0.35mm) but I think it looks ok.

With a bit of luck the vans will be moving through the paint shop in the next week or so.
Title: Re: Was Peco van modifications now Various van kits and scratchbuilds
Post by: Ben Line 457 on January 25, 2017, 06:31:49 PM
Really enjoying this thread, I  never thought I'd see the Fish van modelled in 'N' and then you find the BH kits.

But the GN clerestory fruit van is superb, I've always had a soft spot for these after seeing one in Peter Tatlow's book but never thought I'd see one in 3d in whatever scale. Excellent work.

Are you likely to release this for sale at some point?
Title: Re: Was Peco van modifications now Various van kits and scratchbuilds
Post by: exmouthcraig on January 25, 2017, 09:13:26 PM
Some cracking variations atso! !!! Could you not 3d print some end panels with vertical planking to replace existing ones??

Just a quick question relating to your fixed rakes, what set up do you use for this?? Thinking of forming a few fixed rake mineral trains using peco kits and quite fancy close coupled almost without big couplings

Thanks Craig
Title: Re: Peco van modifications
Post by: Steamie+ on January 26, 2017, 06:48:25 AM
Current progress with the vans.

([url]http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k481/Atso-Cad/33cc1e87-3859-49e9-b402-f53368a8969c_zpsf1uhpxf3.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://s1112.photobucket.com/user/Atso-Cad/media/33cc1e87-3859-49e9-b402-f53368a8969c_zpsf1uhpxf3.jpg.html[/url])

The short ventilated van (3rd from right) still needs to get it's roof vents, the refrigerator van it's hand grabs and ladder and the covered van (far left) needs its solebars painting. The hat van is temporarily sitting on a Peco 15ft chassis (totally wrong but it's the right length - we'll see how long temporarily ends up being!).

As these are all fitted vans red oxide is the order of the day with the exception of the refrigerator van which will remain white (but will get a repaint). Decals should be fun as I'm looking to print my own. The refrigerator van should be reasonably simple as the lettering is black but the others will all have white lettering with the hat van having it's authorised areas painted on the side...

I've got another six of these kits and I'm researching more variations, although I really need to make at least a couple more refrigerator vans.


Great job and skill on these vans, wish i had the those skills, they look brilliant.      :thumbsup: :thumbs:

If you donít mind me asking what length of rake will it be and what is going to pull it.     :) :)
Title: Re: Was Peco van modifications now Various van kits and scratchbuilds
Post by: Stevie DC on January 26, 2017, 09:11:42 AM
Thank you all for your kind comments.

Really enjoying this thread, I  never thought I'd see the Fish van modelled in 'N' and then you find the BH kits.

But the GN clerestory fruit van is superb, I've always had a soft spot for these after seeing one in Peter Tatlow's book but never thought I'd see one in 3d in whatever scale. Excellent work.

Are you likely to release this for sale at some point?

It's a shame that Ray is out of the fish vans at the moment, otherwise I'd have had a few more over the fruit vans.

I'm quite happy with the GN clerestory van too! It needs a few tweaks still to fit peco wagon chassis properly and to make painting a little easier but I think that I might have a go a resin casting a batch at a later date.

Some cracking variations atso! !!! Could you not 3d print some end panels with vertical planking to replace existing ones??

Just a quick question relating to your fixed rakes, what set up do you use for this?? Thinking of forming a few fixed rake mineral trains using peco kits and quite fancy close coupled almost without big couplings

Thanks Craig

I could 3D print some end panels but the idea with the peco vans (and BHE etches) was to have a go with so methods I wouldn't usually employ. That being said, I have some of the old Parkwood LNER van kits which came with a range of ends (to create several variants) so I might have a go at splicing some of those in.

At the moment the wagons are without couplings. However for the fixed rakes, I'm think of using a simple hook and eye arrangement made out of wire and araldited onto the bottom of the chassis. This was covered in the N'spirations magazines by (I think) Noel Leaver and from the pictures in the article, looks pretty unobtrusive.

Great job and skill on these vans, wish i had the those skills, they look brilliant.      :thumbsup: :thumbs:

If you donít mind me asking what length of rake will it be and what is going to pull it.     :) :)

I didn't know I had the skills until I had a go! To be honest the Peco vans will be (to borrow a phrase from Tony Wright of BRM/RMWeb fame) 'layout wagons' and will be filler pieces on my 1930's ECML layout. I'm modelling a relatively small station borrowing ideas/features from Hertford East, Palmers Green (both on the Hertford Loop and not actually part of the ECML) and Hitchin. Therefore many of the fitted trains would be through workings and, as I'll have the ability to run c. 30 trains, quite a few wagons and coaches will be required. My maximum length would be 9 Gresley coaches or c. 27-30 wagons (which would be too long for the station and it's limited goods facilities) - the exception being a special loop to hold a representation of the New England - London coal train which will be 40+ wagons (still only half the actual length of the prototype).

With regard to motive power, it could be almost anything I own or am building. J3, J6, J11, J39, J50, J52, K2, K3, N2, V2 are classes either owned/built or in the process of being designed/built and would represent typical classes working goods trains (my J50 would be ruled out of pulling fitted train as my model is an unfitted example). The J50 and J39 weren't common classes to the London area in the 1930s but were seen. I've got a Farish J39 (which won't be converted into a J6) because I quite like it and two Union Mills versions which will eventually end up being detailed and provided with representations of the small style of LNER tenders that was more common to the class.

At the moment, I've very light on unfitted wagons (i.e. non-vacuumed braked) and general open wagons, both of which were still very common in the period I'm modelling; this will need to be addressed in time. It isn't always appreciated that the LNER was pretty much always short of cash and therefore pre-grouping designs often lasted much longer than was the case on the other railways. For example it is estimated that in the late 1930s only c.30% of the LNER's passenger stock in service had actually been build post the 1923 grouping - this is what I'd like to represent in my own modelling, the cutting edge (for the 30s) running alongside the ancient!
Title: Re: Was Peco van modifications now Various van kits and scratchbuilds
Post by: Steamie+ on January 27, 2017, 07:46:43 AM
Thank you all for your kind comments.

Really enjoying this thread, I  never thought I'd see the Fish van modelled in 'N' and then you find the BH kits.

But the GN clerestory fruit van is superb, I've always had a soft spot for these after seeing one in Peter Tatlow's book but never thought I'd see one in 3d in whatever scale. Excellent work.

Are you likely to release this for sale at some point?

It's a shame that Ray is out of the fish vans at the moment, otherwise I'd have had a few more over the fruit vans.

I'm quite happy with the GN clerestory van too! It needs a few tweaks still to fit peco wagon chassis properly and to make painting a little easier but I think that I might have a go a resin casting a batch at a later date.

Some cracking variations atso! !!! Could you not 3d print some end panels with vertical planking to replace existing ones??

Just a quick question relating to your fixed rakes, what set up do you use for this?? Thinking of forming a few fixed rake mineral trains using peco kits and quite fancy close coupled almost without big couplings

Thanks Craig

I could 3D print some end panels but the idea with the peco vans (and BHE etches) was to have a go with so methods I wouldn't usually employ. That being said, I have some of the old Parkwood LNER van kits which came with a range of ends (to create several variants) so I might have a go at splicing some of those in.

At the moment the wagons are without couplings. However for the fixed rakes, I'm think of using a simple hook and eye arrangement made out of wire and araldited onto the bottom of the chassis. This was covered in the N'spirations magazines by (I think) Noel Leaver and from the pictures in the article, looks pretty unobtrusive.

Great job and skill on these vans, wish i had the those skills, they look brilliant.      :thumbsup: :thumbs:

If you donít mind me asking what length of rake will it be and what is going to pull it.     :) :)

I didn't know I had the skills until I had a go! To be honest the Peco vans will be (to borrow a phrase from Tony Wright of BRM/RMWeb fame) 'layout wagons' and will be filler pieces on my 1930's ECML layout. I'm modelling a relatively small station borrowing ideas/features from Hertford East, Palmers Green (both on the Hertford Loop and not actually part of the ECML) and Hitchin. Therefore many of the fitted trains would be through workings and, as I'll have the ability to run c. 30 trains, quite a few wagons and coaches will be required. My maximum length would be 9 Gresley coaches or c. 27-30 wagons (which would be too long for the station and it's limited goods facilities) - the exception being a special loop to hold a representation of the New England - London coal train which will be 40+ wagons (still only half the actual length of the prototype).

With regard to motive power, it could be almost anything I own or am building. J3, J6, J11, J39, J50, J52, K2, K3, N2, V2 are classes either owned/built or in the process of being designed/built and would represent typical classes working goods trains (my J50 would be ruled out of pulling fitted train as my model is an unfitted example). The J50 and J39 weren't common classes to the London area in the 1930s but were seen. I've got a Farish J39 (which won't be converted into a J6) because I quite like it and two Union Mills versions which will eventually end up being detailed and provided with representations of the small style of LNER tenders that was more common to the class.

At the moment, I've very light on unfitted wagons (i.e. non-vacuumed braked) and general open wagons, both of which were still very common in the period I'm modelling; this will need to be addressed in time. It isn't always appreciated that the LNER was pretty much always short of cash and therefore pre-grouping designs often lasted much longer than was the case on the other railways. For example it is estimated that in the late 1930s only c.30% of the LNER's passenger stock in service had actually been build post the 1923 grouping - this is what I'd like to represent in my own modelling, the cutting edge (for the 30s) running alongside the ancient!

 :thankyousign: Your knowledge is brilliant.     :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Was Peco van modifications now Various van kits and scratchbuilds
Post by: Paddy on January 28, 2017, 08:24:51 AM
All gone a bit quiet again here so in an effort to get some modelling done I've been playing with the old Farish bogie sulphate wagon.

I stripped the wagon back down into it's component parts and then filed the top of the bogie pivot down to the same height as the bogie stretcher.

([url]http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k481/Atso-Cad/2016-11-18%2016.42.39_zpsrpkadkqm.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://s1112.photobucket.com/user/Atso-Cad/media/2016-11-18%2016.42.39_zpsrpkadkqm.jpg.html[/url])

Sorry about the poor quality photo but hopefully you can see the difference this makes in the height of the wagon (left) against an unaltered one (right) and how much better the model seems with a minimal gap between the bogies and solebar. The wagon is now almost 2mm lower and will still go around a 9 3/4 inch curve to boot!

I've also changed the wheels for modern Farish ones - I've got some correct 3 hole wheels somewhere but they've eluded me so far today!


That is a big improvement - any chance of some photos of the work done underneath?  I wouldn't mind having a go myself on this one.

Paddy
Title: Re: Was Peco van modifications now Various van kits and scratchbuilds
Post by: Stevie DC on January 29, 2017, 04:41:19 PM
That is a big improvement - any chance of some photos of the work done underneath?  I wouldn't mind having a go myself on this one.

Paddy

IIRC it was simply a case of filling down the top of the bogie so that it was flush with the cross bracing. The two converted wagons are temporarily in 'storage' ;) but I will post pictures of the modification when I find them...
Title: Re: Was Peco van modifications now Various van kits and scratchbuilds
Post by: Dr Al on January 31, 2017, 10:00:36 AM
IIRC it was simply a case of filling down the top of the bogie so that it was flush with the cross bracing. The two converted wagons are temporarily in 'storage' ;) but I will post pictures of the modification when I find them...

Did these wagons make it into BR days do you know?

Cheers,
Alan
Title: Re: Was Peco van modifications now Various van kits and scratchbuilds
Post by: Stevie DC on January 31, 2017, 11:41:58 AM
Did these wagons make it into BR days do you know?

I don't know about the NER bogie van but the sulphate wagons survived at least into the 1960s. However most of the fleet were apparently used to transport London rubbish out of Enfield from around 1961/2.

Edit: Forgot to mention that mine need a repaint as they are actually in a form of BR livery!
Title: Re: Was Peco van modifications now Various van kits and scratchbuilds
Post by: Dr Al on January 31, 2017, 01:09:22 PM
I don't know about the NER bogie van but the sulphate wagons survived at least into the 1960s. However most of the fleet were apparently used to transport London rubbish out of Enfield from around 1961/2.

Edit: Forgot to mention that mine need a repaint as they are actually in a form of BR livery!

How did the buffer heights compared to other stock compare after the modification?

cheers,
Alan
Title: Re: Was Peco van modifications now Various van kits and scratchbuilds
Post by: Paddy on January 31, 2017, 01:41:29 PM
Good point Alan.

Paddy
Title: Re: Was Peco van modifications now Various van kits and scratchbuilds
Post by: Stevie DC on January 31, 2017, 01:46:04 PM
Fraction high still but I'm talking about literally a fraction.

Sulphate wagon compared to bogie brick and Peco van.

(http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k481/Atso-Cad/Buffer%20Heights_zpsfatjs592.jpg) (http://s1112.photobucket.com/user/Atso-Cad/media/Buffer%20Heights_zpsfatjs592.jpg.html)

Close up of the buffer heights between the Peco van and Sulphate wagon.

(http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k481/Atso-Cad/Buffer%20Height2_zpsnnoz5jwd.jpg) (http://s1112.photobucket.com/user/Atso-Cad/media/Buffer%20Height2_zpsnnoz5jwd.jpg.html)

Sorry about the blurred photo, I've tried to get my phone camera to take a more in focus picture without success.

(http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k481/Atso-Cad/Bogie%20Modification_zpslulyzfs0.jpg) (http://s1112.photobucket.com/user/Atso-Cad/media/Bogie%20Modification_zpslulyzfs0.jpg.html)

What you can see though is that all I've done is to file the protrusion that held the bogie pivot pin flush with the cross member. I've also cut off the coupling pocket as I'm either going to make this part of a fixed rake or add some DG couplings (cheaper that Dapol magnetic couplings!). There really isn't much more that could be taken off without creating clearance issues; I've tested both the NER bogie van and sulphate wagon around Kato 9 3/4 curves without problems but obviously not coupled to anything yet.
Title: Re: Was Peco van modifications now Various van kits and scratchbuilds
Post by: Dr Al on February 01, 2017, 09:23:09 AM
Thanks Steve. Interesting as I always assumed these were pre-nationalisation and didn't last as there seem to be very few (if any) photos about of them in BR days.

The dropping of the "up on stilts" look is a massive improvement, though I think the BR livery that Grafar used is probably a bit dark.

Looking up online, I've read a few sources saying that these ran sheeted (with tarps) in BR days, so might be worth looking up whether this was also true in LNER days.

Cheers,
Alan
Title: Re: Was Peco van modifications now Various van kits and scratchbuilds
Post by: Stevie DC on February 01, 2017, 09:29:13 AM
Thanks Steve. Interesting as I always assumed these were pre-nationalisation and didn't last as there seem to be very few (if any) photos about of them in BR days.

The dropping of the "up on stilts" look is a massive improvement, though I think the BR livery that Grafar used is probably a bit dark.

Looking up online, I've read a few sources saying that these ran sheeted (with tarps) in BR days, so might be worth looking up whether this was also true in LNER days.

Cheers,
Alan

Hi Alan,

I think that almost certainly they did run with tarps when loaded. However, I've not decided if my two are going to be represented as loaded wagons or not yet.

The brick wagon on the other hand is somewhat more difficult. There seems to be several trains (pun unintended!) of thought as to how these would have been loaded and nobody seems to know if they ran with tarps or not...
Title: Re: Was Peco van modifications now Various van kits and scratchbuilds
Post by: maridunian on February 01, 2017, 10:47:52 AM
I read somewhere that the sulphate loads were sacked. Here are some pictures of the bagging process:

https://picturestocktonarchive.wordpress.com/2004/08/13/ici-in-billingham-13/#comments  (https://picturestocktonarchive.wordpress.com/2004/08/13/ici-in-billingham-13/#comments)

 https://picturestocktonarchive.wordpress.com/2013/02/04/sewing-and-branding-bags-of-sulphate-ammonia/  (https://picturestocktonarchive.wordpress.com/2013/02/04/sewing-and-branding-bags-of-sulphate-ammonia/)

And here's one of the product being loaded into (SR?) 10T tarpaulin wagons:

https://picturestocktonarchive.wordpress.com/2004/01/16/ici-in-billingham-7/ (https://picturestocktonarchive.wordpress.com/2004/01/16/ici-in-billingham-7/)

Mike
Title: Re: Was Peco van modifications now Various van kits and scratchbuilds
Post by: Paddy on February 01, 2017, 03:30:36 PM
Thanks Steve, is the brick wagon a kit?

Paddy
Title: Re: Was Peco van modifications now Various van kits and scratchbuilds
Post by: Stevie DC on February 01, 2017, 05:54:04 PM
Thanks Steve, is the brick wagon a kit?

Paddy

Hi Paddy, its one of my 3D prints.
Title: Re: Was Peco van modifications now Various van kits and scratchbuilds
Post by: Paddy on February 01, 2017, 05:56:08 PM
Thanks Steve, is the brick wagon a kit?

Paddy

Hi Paddy, its one of my 3D prints.

Looks very impressive.

Paddy
Title: Re: Was Peco van modifications now Various van kits and scratchbuilds
Post by: Stevie DC on February 01, 2017, 06:23:45 PM
Looks very impressive.

Thank you. I've just sent you a PM.
Title: Re: Was Peco van modifications now Various van kits and scratchbuilds
Post by: Steamie+ on February 02, 2017, 07:36:08 AM
Thanks Steve, is the brick wagon a kit?

Paddy

Hi Paddy, its one of my 3D prints.

Looks very impressive.

Paddy

Agree with above  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Was Peco van modifications now Various van kits and scratchbuilds
Post by: Stevie DC on May 11, 2017, 07:23:58 PM
Just to prove that I'm still progressing with the wagon kits as well as locomotives...

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/51/213-110517192240.jpeg)
Title: Re: Was Peco van modifications now Various van kits and scratchbuilds
Post by: Stevie DC on July 01, 2017, 11:57:42 AM
Deciding to take Hailstones's advice on my locomotive thread to start/do something else to see if some missing 'safely placed' parts turn up, I decided to finally get around to lettering and numbering some wagons. First to receive this treatment were my bogie brick wagons. I wasn't looking forward to this as nobody makes brick wagon transfers in N gauge which means I'd have to be finding the best match of lettering from Fox Transfers and making up the working from individual letters. This has resulted in a not quite perfect match but something that I feel is acceptable.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/53/213-010717115026.jpeg)

Both wagons are based on photos and luckily the left hand wagon doesn't have 'Return to Fletton' on it nor the non common user 'N' at either end which made life so much simpler for this one. I'm not looking forward to having the letter 'Perishables' onto one side of one of the etched vans but the fruit and fish vans should be easier.
Title: Re: Was Peco van modifications now Various van kits and scratchbuilds
Post by: Steamie+ on July 05, 2017, 05:00:37 AM
Hi Steve, love your work and i want some brick wagons lol. Found this site for transfers yesterday, they maybe  what you are looking for. Happy Modelling Steve.   :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Was Peco van modifications now Various van kits and scratchbuilds
Post by: Stevie DC on July 05, 2017, 08:42:22 AM
Hi Steve, love your work and i want some brick wagons lol. Found this site for transfers yesterday, they maybe  what you are looking for. Happy Modelling Steve.   :thumbsup:

Thanks Steve. I'm happy that they are coming along but I'm going to need a lot more transfers. I'm toying with the idea of producing a paint mask for the large 'NE' which will adorn most of my LNER wagon fleet. It won't help with numbers and other lettering but it'll be something.

I'm very interested to see the page you refer to, unfortunately the link isn't visible on your post.
Title: Re: Was Peco van modifications now Various van kits and scratchbuilds
Post by: Steamie+ on July 05, 2017, 09:18:14 AM
Try this Steve,

http://www.replicarailways.co.uk/transfers/n-gauge (http://www.replicarailways.co.uk/transfers/n-gauge)

Itís Rod by the way...lol.  Happy Modelling Steve.   :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Was Peco van modifications now Various van kits and scratchbuilds
Post by: Stevie DC on July 05, 2017, 11:01:09 AM
Try this Steve,

[url]http://www.replicarailways.co.uk/transfers/n-gauge[/url] ([url]http://www.replicarailways.co.uk/transfers/n-gauge[/url])

Itís Rod by the way...lol.  Happy Modelling Steve.   :thumbsup:



Thanks for that Rod, those BR crests look good and reasonably priced.

Sorry about the confusion, I wasn't sure if you were signing off or wishing me well - I know now!  :D
Title: Re: Was Peco van modifications now Various van kits and scratchbuilds
Post by: Stevie DC on August 21, 2017, 08:52:31 AM
Hello from sunny North Yorkshire!

Surprisingly this year, the holiday cottage we're staying in has wifi (kind of) so I have some limited internet access (you poor people who thought you'd got rid of me for a week!).

First the first time ever (encouraged by my better half) some modelling projects came with us so I wouldn't be too bored in the mornings while I'm waiting for someone else to wake up!

The new portable bench is a modified tray for Dunelm Mill. I've simply removed part of the front using a jigsaw and placed an A4 cutting mat in it.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/54/213-210817083601.jpeg)

Obviously I'm limited to what can be taken with me so etched kits are out. However I've made up an old Parkwood van kit and a Chivers LNER horsebox. The horsebox should have some white metal buffers but I managed to brake one while trying to straighten it out. I'm sure I've got something suitable to replace them with but that'll have to wait until I get home next week.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/54/213-210817083925.jpeg)
Title: Re: Was Peco van modifications now Various van kits and scratchbuilds
Post by: maridunian on August 22, 2017, 08:29:41 PM
The new portable bench is a modified tray for Dunelm Mill. I've simply removed part of the front using a jigsaw and placed an A4 cutting mat in it.

Great idea. We're packing up to move house, and I now wish I'd thought of an interim modelling facility before everything was boxed!

Mike
Title: Re: Was Peco van modifications now Various van kits and scratchbuilds
Post by: Stevie DC on August 25, 2017, 07:36:55 AM
Great idea. We're packing up to move house, and I now wish I'd thought of an interim modelling facility before everything was boxed!


Thanks Mike

I've been meaning to do this for some time and it was only the fact that my girlfriend said that she didn't mind me taking some projects with me while on holiday that finally saw me do this.

I was little worried that the remaining sides of the tray would make access difficult but this hasn't been the case at all.

I have to say that it has proven very convenient and easy to pack up at the end of a session. I think that I'll be scrapping the big A3 cutting mat at home (which is life expired now anyway) and use this set up for all modelling from now on. I have a second tray to which I'll do the same modifications to to make a soldering station.

Being a bit of a tool collector and hoarder, it has been great to be building some kits using only the most basic of tool kits again. While I'm not likely to get rid of any tools, I think that I need to find some permanent storage for most of them so they're not cluttering up the work area all the time!

I got a Parkside loco coal wagon kit build and made a start of the second Chivers horsebox.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/54/213-250817072534.jpeg)

The same collection to kits I built while in Yorkshire. The second horsebox still needs it's roof ventilators and all the vans need their roofs securing once painted but I'm quite happy with the progress made - more importantly, so is my girlfriend!!!

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/54/213-250817072805.jpeg)

D'oh, I've just noticed that I've fitted the under frame the wrong way round on the first horsebox!  :-[ Hopefully I'll be able to do something about that later!!!

Hopefully there will be a few goodies from the 2mm association waiting for me when I get back to sunny Hertfordshire tonight - including some plastic bodies for the very common LNER six plank wagon (over 20,000 fitted and unfitted examples built) - why did Farish produce the 1940s steel version instead???
Title: Re: Was Peco van modifications now Various van kits and scratchbuilds
Post by: paulprice on August 25, 2017, 10:46:26 AM
Steve

The kits look great, how do you do it, you manage to fit in a holiday and some modelling too, you are a N gauge guru
Title: Re: Was Peco van modifications now Various van kits and scratchbuilds
Post by: Stevie DC on August 25, 2017, 09:43:12 PM
The kits look great, how do you do it, you manage to fit in a holiday and some modelling too, you are a N gauge guru


Thanks Paul. I'm not sure I'm a guru. However as a early riser, it kept me occupied while I was waiting for the better half to wake up!!!

I think those kits represent around five or six hours worth of modelling time over seven days so not a huge amount of the holiday was dedicated to them.

We did manage to squeeze in seeing this at York last Sunday...

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/54/213-250817213245.jpeg)

It's at Didcot over this bank holiday weekend and the better half has said that we can go and see it again!  :claphappy:

Having gotten home, at 6:30 having been on the go since 9:30  :o , I found this little lot waiting for me...

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/54/213-250817212648.jpeg)

This is what I was hoping to take with me to get on with. These are a mix of 2mm Association and Peco plastic kits. There are several PO wagons both of the Peco and 2mm variety as well as some LNER six and eight plank wagons and two Peco plate wagons. The plate wagons are very close to the type that the LNER built in the 30's but the chassis is nothing like the type they actually rode on! Not in picture are some etched wagon chassis for the plates and some correct LNER fitted types to upgrade some old Farish vans I've picked up over the years at modest prices. I've also got some Peco 9' wheelbase chassis left which will be suitable for the POs and unfitted LNER six plank wagons (some 20k + of which were were built).

I'm looking forward to squeezing these in around other projects but I've also got a few things for other people to clear as well.
Title: Re: Was Peco van modifications now Various van kits and scratchbuilds
Post by: Stevie DC on August 25, 2017, 10:48:47 PM
First of the LNER six planks has been thrown together. About fourth minutes work here most of which was deciding how to adapt the Peco chassis kit to fit. It's a bit of a squeeze in the width but I think I've got away with it. This one represents an early unfitted wagon on a wooden chassis. I've got some 9' steel sole bar chassis which will also be used to represent some later build unfitted wagons. The fitted ones used a different under frame which I think will have to be sourced by a 2mm etched chassis kit...

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/54/213-250817224444.jpeg)
Title: Re: Was Peco van modifications now Various van kits and scratchbuilds
Post by: Stevie DC on August 26, 2017, 09:16:15 AM
This morning's efforts with a couple of PO wagons.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/54/213-260817090304.jpeg)

The front one is the Peco 9' wheelbase PO wagon kit while the back one is the 2mm Association's version. Both are mounted on Peco 9' wooden sole at chassis which is, unsurprisingly, a fraction too long for the 2mm scale wagon. Both will form part of a loaded coal train so I'm not bothered by the lack of internal detail on the 2mm scale body.

The Peco kit is slightly easier to assemble, having chamfered corners and/or locating points but at £6.95 is more expensive than buying the 2mm kit (£1.50) and Peco chassis (c. £4). Either way these are cheaper than buying the current Farish offerings at RRP!

I've got another Peco and five 2mm POs to build (and a couple of eight planks POs) and the slight differences between the two will be satisfying to see when the are complete and running in a rake.

You may have noticed that none of these wagons have couplings at present. I was very impressed with the use of DG couplings on the Horsted Keynes layout at the Great Central event a couple of months back and am lending towards using these.
Title: Re: Was Peco van modifications now Various van kits and scratchbuilds
Post by: Stevie DC on August 27, 2017, 10:22:58 AM
A couple of morning's work before the better half woke up...

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/54/213-270817101634.jpeg)

So much for fitting these in around other bits over the next few weeks...  :smiley-laughing: :smiley-laughing: :smiley-laughing:

Most of them still need chassis, the Peco plate wagons are just for show at the moment and the horsebox has had its chassis removed and reattached the right way around!

I've still got two to build, however they both have an incorrect part (some of the parts had been separated from the spur at the shop and then been packaged into kits).
Title: Re: Was Peco van modifications now Various van kits and scratchbuilds
Post by: Stevie DC on August 29, 2017, 10:23:39 AM
A bit of pottering for an hour or so at a time produced this over the last three days...

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/54/213-290817102201.jpeg)

A 2mm Scale Association replacement chassis for the Peco offering to get something that resembles and LNER plate wagon.

Also, while I've not touched this for a few weeks, it has not been shown here before.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/54/213-290817102315.jpeg)

The second of my GNR brake vans which is being turned into a representation of a six wheel brake using 2mm Association 'W' irons and a spare sole bar etch. I say representation as, while the overall dimensions are about right, all the prototype pictures I've seen show the six wheel vans with horizontal planking not vertical. Still, I think it'll look the part once finished and provide something a little different from the four wheel one I've already built.
Title: Re: Was Peco van modifications now Various van kits and scratchbuilds
Post by: Dr Al on August 29, 2017, 10:27:42 AM
A 2mm Scale Association replacement chassis for the Peco offering to get something that resembles and LNER plate wagon.

Interesting - I've got one of these unfinished - albeit with the Peco chassis modified to backdate it.

Cheers,
Alan
Title: Re: Was Peco van modifications now Various van kits and scratchbuilds
Post by: Stevie DC on August 29, 2017, 10:43:05 AM
Interesting - I've got one of these unfinished - albeit with the Peco chassis modified to backdate it.

Cheers,
Alan

The etched chassis was a bit of a faff to be honest but only because of all the brackets along the solebar. These are fold out pieces but have to be at a perfect right angle to be able to fit the overlays - which took forever on this one! Personally I think it was worth the effort and have another one to build.

Now if I could only get my hands on the NGS kit for the LMS bogie trestle wagon as it looks virtually identical to a photograph of the LNER version I've found - the caption even makes reference to the similarities.
Title: Re: Was Peco van modifications now Various van kits and scratchbuilds
Post by: Stevie DC on August 29, 2017, 04:58:21 PM
A couple of hours between other things saw this assembled.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/54/213-290817165415.jpeg)

A comparison between a new Farish van (left) the old one with original chassis (right) and the old body with etched chassis (centre).

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/54/213-290817165500.jpeg)

Obviously things like buffers are still to be added but I hope you'll agree that the new chassis is a big improvement on the old style one. I'm toying with the idea of ditching the roof, making some amendments to the body's end profile and fitting an etched roof...
Title: Re: Was Peco van modifications now Various van kits and scratchbuilds
Post by: Hailstone on August 29, 2017, 07:24:22 PM
Great work Steve, I am still making baby steps in the etched brass world

Regards,

Alex
Title: Re: Was Peco van modifications now Various van kits and scratchbuilds
Post by: Stevie DC on August 29, 2017, 11:03:52 PM
Great work Steve, I am still making baby steps in the etched brass world

Regards,

Alex

Thanks Alex.

I would rate myself as being only a little above a novice myself. I started with the 2mm Association starter pack which gives you a length of track and a wagon kit to practice on. My one when together ok but I needed to learn how to solder properly and other things like why a good liquid flux and solder paste is important. I've not progressed onto things like boilers or parts with multiple curves yet but it really doesn't take long to progress onto a wagon body or chassis - especially if the kit is well designed.

The results do take longer than a plastic kit but I do like the results. Have a go, like most things, it isn't as difficult as it looks. One tip though, get a cheap set of tapered broaches as you'll need to open out the holes for the bearings and a round file just won't do it.
Title: Re: Was Peco van modifications now Various van kits and scratchbuilds
Post by: Stevie DC on September 03, 2017, 12:34:25 PM
Hi all,

Just a quick update about the growing collection of etched chassis on my bench. The total is now four and I've gone a little further on the 10' wheelbase versions by adding the brake pull rods underneath the chassis. You probably can't see them but they're not too difficult to do and really strengthen up the brake blocks so they'll pretty much withstand any knocks.

I've also chemically blackened them using Carr's blackener for nickel silver (which also works on brass!).

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/54/213-030917123106.jpeg)

I really should add some footsteps to the horse box chassis....
Title: Re: Was Peco van modifications now Various van kits and scratchbuilds
Post by: Stevie DC on September 10, 2017, 12:42:04 PM
I managed to finally find a cheap Lima GWR (yes GWR!) horsebox at TINGS yesterday!  :claphappy:

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/55/213-100917123106.jpeg)

It doesn't look like much but I plan to have a go at updating/upgrading it much along the lines as per the link below:

http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/blog/416/entry-12621-time-travelling-equine-transport-back-dating-and-detailing-the-n-gauge-lima-horsebox-part-4/ (http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/blog/416/entry-12621-time-travelling-equine-transport-back-dating-and-detailing-the-n-gauge-lima-horsebox-part-4/)

It'll end up being part of a rake along with the LNER examples I'm building which incidentally look like this at the moment:

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/55/213-100917123206.jpeg)

The second Chivers kit still needs it's roof ventilators attaching before playing catch up with these two. You may notice that the old Farish GNR box (the smaller of the two) has it's chassis painted the same colour as the body. This was standard practice for the LNER when dealing with vehicles with wooden solebars - the metalwork will eventually be picked out in black though. It should have a set of footsteps but I've bugged out from this at the moment, although I'll probably end up adding them at some point!
Title: Re: Was Peco van modifications now Various van kits and scratchbuilds
Post by: snitchthebudgie on September 10, 2017, 01:48:04 PM
Hi Steve,

Interested to see you using 2mm Association chassis and their 12.25mm axles.  They certainly give a much 'finer' appearance to the chassis.  What wheels do you use on them, to get standard 'N' standards?

Cheers, Jon
Title: Re: Was Peco van modifications now Various van kits and scratchbuilds
Post by: Stevie DC on September 10, 2017, 02:39:07 PM
Interested to see you using 2mm Association chassis and their 12.25mm axles.  They certainly give a much 'finer' appearance to the chassis.  What wheels do you use on them, to get standard 'N' standards?

Hi Jon,

I use standard Farish wheelsets with the 2mm conversion axles, to be honest I think that they're the only ones that will fit. Popping them off the Farish axles and fitting them to the 2mm ones is fairly simple - I use a pair of flat bladed pliers, loosely gripping the axle behind the wheel and pushing downwards to support the insulating bush (I hope that makes sense). You do occasionally get a wheel that just won't run true though but that is always a manufacturing fault in the wheel and I now test them before removing from the Farish axle...

Hope this helps.
Title: Re: Was Peco van modifications now Various van kits and scratchbuilds
Post by: snitchthebudgie on September 10, 2017, 04:53:27 PM
Chris,

Thanks for this.  I have been wondering about upgrading some of my underframes, and this is a possible way forward.  I am regularly tempted by 2mm finescale, but it might be a step too far.  Improved detail, plus some finer track (perhaps even 'N2' standards to give better running) might well be a suitable compromise.

Jon
Title: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: Stevie DC on December 06, 2017, 02:43:43 PM
It has been a little while since I last posted on here as I've been a bit down again recently. I'm slowly picking myself up again but very frustrated and annoyed as I thought I was over this kind of thing now...

Anyway, unsurprisingly, not much modelling has done but I did have a look at the NGS Shop's clearance items and picked up the following 16 Ultima Gresley conversion sides for £16.40 plus £4 p&p!

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/58/213-061217143731.jpeg)

It might be awhile before I get to do anything with them as I've got a couple of commissions to sort out as well as the final touches to do to the platform shelter kit and a couple of CAD files for upload to Shapeways. Then again, they might make an interesting diversion by way of breaking things up occasionally so never say never!

I was really after some catering vehicles (other than the Buffet Car) and some more Full Brakes but they didn't have any! For the price, I'm really not going to complain!
Title: Re: Was Peco van modifications now Various van kits and scratchbuilds
Post by: R Marshall on December 06, 2017, 09:28:50 PM
Steve,

They look like a challenge (or they would be for me)!

There's a strand I follow on another website that deals with coaches, if you need any link, just shout.

Regards,

Roy
Title: Re: Was Peco van modifications now Various van kits and scratchbuilds
Post by: Stevie DC on December 06, 2017, 10:46:36 PM
Steve,

They look like a challenge (or they would be for me)!

There's a strand I follow on another website that deals with coaches, if you need any link, just shout.

Thanks Roy,

If I'm thinking about the same thread it is mainly concerned with GWR stock and you've valiantly held the LNER flag for use like minded modellers.  :)

I've used these before to convert a Dapol coach into a full brake. I've got a couple of scrap Dapol Gresleys to play with but not sixteen! I think an alternative method of building these will be required...
Title: Re: Was Peco van modifications now Various van kits and scratchbuilds
Post by: R Marshall on December 07, 2017, 04:54:40 PM
Steve,

Aye, that's the one! Not that valiantly, though, only two Thompson Non-vestibule carriages and I haven't finished the sides on the second - I want to get the tumblehome right.

In fairness I've been busy tracklaying and I've a new Union Mills small tender I'm trying to finish for my D20.

Here's a little shot of the Thompson CL, however, on the layout.

Regards,

Roy


(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/59/4279-071217165255.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=59009)
Title: Re: Was Peco van modifications now Various van kits and scratchbuilds
Post by: CarriageShed on December 07, 2017, 05:46:02 PM
As a bit of a coach hacker and revamper I'll be interested to see how you get on with these, even if they aren't the 'proper' coaches of the SR ;)
Title: Re: Was Peco van modifications now Various van kits and scratchbuilds
Post by: Stevie DC on December 07, 2017, 07:40:24 PM
Aye, that's the one! Not that valiantly, though, only two Thompson Non-vestibule carriages and I haven't finished the sides on the second - I want to get the tumblehome right.

In fairness I've been busy tracklaying and I've a new Union Mills small tender I'm trying to finish for my D20.

Here's a little shot of the Thompson CL, however, on the layout.

Thought so, and daring to show an LNER coach in a GWR coach thread is both valiant and brave! Tumblehomes are difficult to get right in N gauge, I'm just glad than the half etches on the Gresley conversion sides work out as around 0.1mm thick so easily formed by the underlying coach side!
Title: Re: Was Peco van modifications now Various van kits and scratchbuilds
Post by: Stevie DC on December 07, 2017, 07:43:21 PM
As a bit of a coach hacker and revamper I'll be interested to see how you get on with these, even if they aren't the 'proper' coaches of the SR ;)

They're reasonably straightforward to be honest. The most difficult bit is soldering the two halves of the coach side together - not something you'll have to worry about for Southern stock!

If you're happy painting the sides separately then, rather than having to rub down the donor sides and cut out the window areas, you can simply cut out the whole side and insert a BHE clear coach window/side and Evostik the side to that.
Title: Re: Was Peco van modifications now Various van kits and scratchbuilds
Post by: martyn on December 07, 2017, 07:47:48 PM
I looked for a Thomson SK in vain-one of my Ultima kits shed a side and needs replacing.

If one is brave enough to use an original Minitrix donor for the LNER vehicles, it is possible to scratch build/kitbash LNER Gresley suburbans from the cut out sides of two Minitrix vehicles-I did it many years ago. I don't know if the trick will work with Dapol donor vehicles for the Ultima sides.

martyn
Title: Re: Was Peco van modifications now Various van kits and scratchbuilds
Post by: DavidK71 on December 08, 2017, 08:58:16 AM
Aye, that's the one! Not that valiantly, though, only two Thompson Non-vestibule carriages and I haven't finished the sides on the second - I want to get the tumblehome right.
It's always good to see people making coaches, whatever company made the prototype! I really do need to stop making elaborate plans for coaches and actually build a few more so that I have something to add to that thread ...
Title: Re: Was Peco van modifications now Various van kits and scratchbuilds
Post by: Stevie DC on December 08, 2017, 09:21:31 AM
I looked for a Thomson SK in vain-one of my Ultima kits shed a side and needs replacing.

If one is brave enough to use an original Minitrix donor for the LNER vehicles, it is possible to scratch build/kitbash LNER Gresley suburbans from the cut out sides of two Minitrix vehicles-I did it many years ago. I don't know if the trick will work with Dapol donor vehicles for the Ultima sides.

Hi Martyn,

I remember those suburban conversions; there is a picture on here somewhere isn't there? Hopefully Mr Pixels' house renovations are going well and he'll be back in business sometime in the new year.  :)

It's always good to see people making coaches, whatever company made the prototype! I really do need to stop making elaborate plans for coaches and actually build a few more so that I have something to add to that thread ...

Hi David,

Yes, you really do need to build a few more!  :smiley-laughing:

Inspiring stuff and very well done!  8)
Title: Re: Was Peco van modifications now Various van kits and scratchbuilds
Post by: martyn on December 08, 2017, 09:34:45 AM
Hello Steve;

Yes, there are some photos on the forum, but I'll have to try and find them.........I did write the construction up for the Journal, but that was many years ago. They might appear in some of the photos of James St.

I used two Minitrix sides, plasticard ends, Ultima (or was it BH Enterprise?) floors and roofs, and various Ultima/Etched pixels fittings (battery box, dynamos, etc). Bogies might be a problem, as I used MTK/Fleetline ones, but I'm sure that Dapol spares from their Gresley corridors will fit-I think I have retrofitted some of my kit bashing efforts with them; or else the Society ones (even though they are not quite right).

HTH

Martyn
Title: Re: Was Peco van modifications now Various van kits and scratchbuilds
Post by: DavidK71 on December 08, 2017, 09:46:16 AM
Bogies might be a problem, as I used MTK/Fleeline ones, but I'm sure that Dapol spares from their Gresley corridors will fit-I think I have retrofitted some of my kit bashing efforts with them; or else the Society ones (even though they are not quite right).
For anyone who's a member of the 2mm Association, their bogie etches are well worth a look: they do a lot of different sorts, they're accurate, they run really well, and the N gauge profile wheels on their axles are back in stock. The only catches are the effort of building them (but you can avoid soldering - I do) and you then need to attach your own coupling mechanism.
Title: Re: Was Peco van modifications now Various van kits and scratchbuilds
Post by: Stevie DC on December 08, 2017, 10:00:22 AM
My own take on the Gresley 51' suburban coach body (apologies for the poor picture):

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/59/213-081217095419.jpeg)

It unfortunately never progressed beyond this test print and really feel I should redesign it from the ground up...

A 2mm Association Gresley 8' bogie (with their N gauge coach wheels) which will eventually end up under my Dapol/Ultima Full Brake that I did several years ago.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/59/213-081217095534.jpeg)

I really should get on with building the other one of these!
Title: Re: Was Peco van modifications now Various van kits and scratchbuilds
Post by: martyn on December 08, 2017, 10:18:26 AM
My own take on the Gresley 51' suburban coach body (apologies for the poor picture):

([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/59/213-081217095419.jpeg[/url])

It unfortunately never progressed beyond this test print and really feel I should redesign it from the ground up...

A 2mm Association Gresley 8' bogie (with their N gauge coach wheels) which will eventually end up under my Dapol/Ultima Full Brake that I did several years ago.

([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/59/213-081217095534.jpeg[/url])

I really should get on with building the other one of these!


If the price is right, I would probably be interested in a couple of these........I have made Etched Pixels version, but, as you now have to do with your newly acquired Ultima sides, I really don't like soldering the two halves of the sides together lengthways. I have renovated a couple of Westwater+Kirk kits, and apart from being slightly small (2mm not N gauge?) they scrubbed up quite well, again adding some Etched Pixels underframe bits.

Martyn
Title: Re: Was Peco van modifications now Various van kits and scratchbuilds
Post by: DavidK71 on December 08, 2017, 10:34:54 AM
My own take on the Gresley 51' suburban coach body (apologies for the poor picture):
([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/59/213-081217095419.jpeg[/url])

That looks nice. Is that FUD? Hopefully FXD would be even better if rather pricey.
Title: Re: Was Peco van modifications now Various van kits and scratchbuilds
Post by: Stevie DC on December 08, 2017, 10:48:46 AM
Thanks Martyn and David,

The coach body is printed in a material called Grey Resin by iMaterialize and, other than a spray of primer, is as it was received many years ago. Unfortunately, I think to sell these directly as 3D prints (in any decent material) would be rather pricey as both companies charge by the amount of material used (that's over simplified as there are other factors to consider) so, if they ever appear, they'll have to be cast. As I said I want to do a complete redesign of these but I've got plenty of other things that have to take priority in the queue at the moment...

Given that both FUD and FXD really need some post finishing work to get the best out of them, I'm not sure if FXD is worth the extra. The loco bodies that I ordered yesterday, over on my other thread, are a mixture of the two so I can directly compare. FXD is the same as FUD but printed in 16 micron layers as opposed to c. 30 micron - the actual resolution of the print head is the same for both. My own B9Creator prints are usually printed at between 30 and 50 microns and the coach body was, I think, printed at 100 microns! Layer thickness isn't always everything but that is very much dependent on the machine, 3D printing process and material used.
Title: Re: Was Peco van modifications now Various van kits and scratchbuilds
Post by: martyn on December 08, 2017, 03:17:11 PM
On your other thread, I may be interested in the V1 if I can get a reasonably priced N chassis.

Martyn
Title: Re: Was Peco van modifications now Various van kits and scratchbuilds
Post by: Stevie DC on December 08, 2017, 06:47:45 PM
On your other thread, I may be interested in the V1 if I can get a reasonably priced N chassis.

It will eventually go up on the Shapeways shop Martyn but I've got to do some test building first!
Title: Re: Was Peco van modifications now Various van kits and scratchbuilds
Post by: Stevie DC on December 08, 2017, 06:51:01 PM
I've finally found a bit of time (and inclination) to sit down and get working on a project I've been wanting to do for ages...

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/59/213-081217184819.jpeg)

This is the body tub for an LNER 12' wheelbase Fish Van. I've still got the sole bars to detail yet but I need to work out final clearances for some etched 'W' irons and associated bearings, wheels etc...
Title: Re: Was Peco van modifications now Various van kits and scratchbuilds
Post by: Stevie DC on December 10, 2017, 06:46:42 PM
Another day, another fish van...

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/59/213-101217184358.jpeg)

This one is a Dia 23 fish van and represents the first 'standard' fish van that the LNER produced. Over 1,300 of these were built between 1923 and 1931 and many survived into Nationalisation but downrated to general goods vehicles.

As with the Dia 134 12' wheelbase van, I've still got to detail the solebars.
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: Stevie DC on December 11, 2017, 04:26:29 PM
Ok, another ten and a half hours at the computer sees this one designed...

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/59/213-111217162350.jpeg)

But what is it? I'll give you a hint.

It's not a wagon built by the LNER or its constituents...
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: Stevie DC on December 11, 2017, 06:45:52 PM
Having moved the printer down from the shed into the garage, it finally got set up again today.

A warts and all (and poor quality, sorry) picture of the initial print of the Dia 23 fish van. I need to do some tweaking to the support structure and orientation of the print as I think I can do better than this initial test print.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/59/213-111217184207.jpeg)

The upper section where the roof will go looks ragged as I just pulled the supports off the model and didn't bother to carefully trim them (it was only a test print after all!).
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: Newportnobby on December 11, 2017, 08:08:01 PM
I just find all this 3D printing malarkey absolutely amazing :goggleeyes:

Is it de rigeur to have solebars on fish wagons or could they be codbars? ;)
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: DCCDave on December 11, 2017, 08:10:57 PM
I just find all this 3D printing malarkey absolutely amazing :goggleeyes:

Is it de rigeur to have solebars on fish wagons or could they be codbars? ;)

Solebars or codbars didn't matter. So long as they were all the same shunters could but a hake of them together.

Remember you started this :)

Cheers
Dave
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: Newportnobby on December 11, 2017, 08:12:43 PM
I do seem to create haddock wherever I go.
If Steve wants me to delete anything I'm sure he'll let me know
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: DCCDave on December 11, 2017, 08:14:13 PM
I do seem to create haddock wherever I go.
If Steve wants me to delete anything I'm sure he'll let me know

I eely hope he doesn't mind
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: Stevie DC on December 11, 2017, 08:34:35 PM
Oh dear, what have you started Mick? There is a time and a plaice for such antics!
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: DCCDave on December 11, 2017, 08:48:24 PM
Oh dear, what have you started Mick? There is a time and a plaice for such antics!

Sorry Steve,

You started a perfectly sensible thread, then a couple of jokers pollocked it up.

Dave
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: port perran on December 11, 2017, 08:51:39 PM
This os all starting to get a bit bass.
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: Mr Sprue on December 11, 2017, 09:10:10 PM
This thread seems to be getting a bit too fishy for my liking..... I think I'll Skate off and read another!!  ::)
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: Stevie DC on January 14, 2018, 05:39:00 PM
I've been a bit quiet recently but things have still been happening. I've now got a proper work area for CAD and modelling and have been moving things about and out of storage over the Christmas period.

I received four Peco 9' wheelbase PO wagons for Christmas along with some other bits and pieces which I've been meaning to build ever since. Yesterday, I went over to the Stevenage exhibition and found that the NGS had found some old mouldings for the MR outside frame van kit. Three of these were quickly snapped up by me as I've been looking for some for ages!

Anyway, the excitement of finding the MR kits got me into building mode for a few hours this afternoon the result of which is below:

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/60/213-140118173337.jpeg)

Once I've got a spraying area set up, I'll give them a coat or two of paint.

Oh, that's a piece of Finetrax in the picture (the other half of my Christmas present!).  :)
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: paulprice on January 14, 2018, 09:47:33 PM
that's not fair I did not get anything for Christmas   :'(
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: RailGooner on January 14, 2018, 09:55:17 PM
 :no: Were you a naughty boy last year Paul? :D
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: paulprice on January 14, 2018, 10:10:31 PM
:no: Were you a naughty boy last year Paul? :D

No I was positively angelic, its just everyone being mean to me  :'(
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: Stevie DC on January 15, 2018, 05:16:40 AM
No I was positively angelic

 :laughabovepost: :laughabovepost: :laughabovepost: :smiley-laughing: :smiley-laughing: :smiley-laughing:
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: Stevie DC on January 18, 2018, 12:49:15 PM
Back to some CAD work and something a little bit different...

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/60/213-180118124531.jpeg)

An articulated twin converted by the GNR from six wheel corridor coaches. Apparently this was the first such conversion the GNR undertook (which was continued by the LNER). All were withdrawn by the end of March 1947.

Now all I have to do is design the underframes, internal detail and figure out if I can make a floating articulation system using cams!!!
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: Stevie DC on January 25, 2018, 01:03:45 PM
The GNR twin set is on hold for the moment while I decide on the best route for designing a close coupled articulation unit. Therefore, I've turned my attention to another GNR vehicle...

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/61/213-250118130329.jpeg)

I've still got a bit to do on the roof but it is coming along. Due to its narrow nature, clearances are very tight for the wheels. I think I'm going to make the centre wheels a dummy set that ride just above the rails, it'll be interesting to see how easily I can fit N gauge coach wheels to the outer ends of the physical model...
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: thebrighton on January 25, 2018, 01:22:14 PM
Would the 2mmSA 12.25mm 'N' wheel sets (2-028) make it less of a squeeze?
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: nabber on January 25, 2018, 01:25:13 PM
Is it the wheels or the axle length that causes problems? EP has some wheels on 13mm axles - would that help?

http://www.ultima-models.co.uk/catalogue/wheels.html (http://www.ultima-models.co.uk/catalogue/wheels.html)

Regards,
Neil
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: Stevie DC on January 25, 2018, 01:36:23 PM
Would the 2mmSA 12.25mm 'N' wheel sets (2-028) make it less of a squeeze?


Is it the wheels or the axle length that causes problems? EP has some wheels on 13mm axles - would that help?

[url]http://www.ultima-models.co.uk/catalogue/wheels.html[/url] ([url]http://www.ultima-models.co.uk/catalogue/wheels.html[/url])


Thanks guys,

The issue is that between the W irons is only 12mm while most N gauge wheelsets are around 11.5mm between the outer faces of the wheels. Hopefully there is enough give in the material to allow standard 15.2mm axles to fit, we'll see.

While, I do really like the 2mm N gauge wheelsets, I'm not sure that they'll allow me to bulk buy them (and I don't think I could afford to) as I'd like to kit this one as they seem to have lasted an awfully long time. :)

Speaking of Ultima, is Alan trading again yet?
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: Shiney Sheff on January 25, 2018, 05:13:20 PM
I was in contact with Alan on the 2nd Jan this year regarding the under frame etch for the Wickham rail bus and said he hoped be open for business at the end of the month,

Hopefully everything is going to plan for him.

Bob
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: Stevie DC on January 26, 2018, 01:28:41 PM
I was in contact with Alan on the 2nd Jan this year regarding the under frame etch for the Wickham rail bus and said he hoped be open for business at the end of the month,

Hopefully everything is going to plan for him.

Bob


Thanks Bob, I hope so too!

The 12 foot wheelbase Fish Van gained a chassis this morning - it was a much simpler affair than the GNR Full Brake!

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/61/213-260118132607.jpeg)

Still a couple of bits to do but these will probably be etched details.
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: Stevie DC on January 30, 2018, 02:04:36 PM
The CAD for the 9' Wheelbase Midland Railway van has now been completed and is ready for test printing.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/61/213-300118135027.jpeg)
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: paulprice on January 30, 2018, 08:52:03 PM
The CAD for the 9' Wheelbase Midland Railway van has now been completed and is ready for test printing.

([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/61/213-300118135027.jpeg[/url])


me want me want
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: Shiney Sheff on January 30, 2018, 09:15:14 PM
Yes please  :)
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: Stevie DC on January 31, 2018, 10:57:24 AM
me want me want

Go and have a beer to calm yourself Mr Price!  :smiley-laughing:

Yes please  :)

Thank you for the interest (both of you!). I've found a couple of silly mistakes in the CAD for the chassis that'll need to be corrected before printing - then I have the fun of correcting any other silly mistakes that I've not noticed!  ;) ;)
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: Stevie DC on January 31, 2018, 01:26:06 PM
The errors on the Midland van have been altered and the chassis for this finished:

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/61/213-310118132451.jpeg)

All the vans have now been sent off for test printing...
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: paulprice on January 31, 2018, 09:30:55 PM
Im not allowed beer  :'(
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: Stevie DC on February 01, 2018, 11:29:22 AM
Im not allowed beer  :'(

Now that IS a crying shame!  :( :( I almost feel sorry enough to buy you one at Warley this year.... Almost!!!!  >:D >:D >:D >:D
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: CarriageShed on February 01, 2018, 01:09:56 PM
Now the Midland van is something that I could also run in Somerset/Dorset in 1930, so I'd be interested too.
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: paulprice on February 01, 2018, 07:19:58 PM
Im not allowed beer  :'(

Now that IS a crying shame!  :( :( I almost feel sorry enough to buy you one at Warley this year.... Almost!!!!  >:D >:D >:D >:D

How mean are you
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: Shiney Sheff on February 01, 2018, 09:24:32 PM
 
The errors on the Midland van have been altered and the chassis for this finished:

([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/61/213-310118132451.jpeg[/url])

All the vans have now been sent off for test printing...


Do you have an ETA when they will be ready to purchase.?

Bob
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: EtchedPixels on February 01, 2018, 10:44:05 PM
The GNR twin set is on hold for the moment while I decide on the best route for designing a close coupled articulation unit. Therefore, I've turned my attention to another GNR vehicle...

([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/61/213-250118130329.jpeg[/url])

I've still got a bit to do on the roof but it is coming along. Due to its narrow nature, clearances are very tight for the wheels. I think I'm going to make the centre wheels a dummy set that ride just above the rails, it'll be interesting to see how easily I can fit N gauge coach wheels to the outer ends of the physical model...


That's a welcome vehicle to have back available in N. My experience with six wheelers btw is that N is so slack rigid chassis work fine.

I have 13mm axles, and I can make them available in bulk if you find you need them or want to ship them with kits. I've only got 3'6" wheels at this point because the pricing meant I needed to pick a type and I mostly do coaches.

Alan
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: Stevie DC on February 02, 2018, 11:18:50 AM
That's a welcome vehicle to have back available in N. My experience with six wheelers btw is that N is so slack rigid chassis work fine.

I have 13mm axles, and I can make them available in bulk if you find you need them or want to ship them with kits. I've only got 3'6" wheels at this point because the pricing meant I needed to pick a type and I mostly do coaches.

Alan, has there been a kit for the GNR full brake before then? I did look about but couldn't find one.

The chassis is being test printed by Shapeways at the moment and then I'll be doing some tests and evaluations on it. I might well take you up on your offer to supply 13mm axles though!  :D

Looking forward to being able to order an LNER TPO from you soon!  :D :D

Many thanks.
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: Stevie DC on February 02, 2018, 11:20:25 AM
Do you have an ETA when they will be ready to purchase.?

Hi Bob,

Not at present. The next thing to do is test and evaluate the prints before either going through some redesigns or making moulds for casting. I could give an estimate but I've found that I'm usually miles off on those!  :(
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: Stevie DC on February 02, 2018, 11:22:04 AM
How mean are you

Not very...  :smiley-laughing:

Off topic but I found your RM article on Foster Street yesterday while trying to find some drawings in my magazine collection. It was a fun diversion to reread it again!  :)
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: EtchedPixels on February 02, 2018, 07:37:02 PM
That's a welcome vehicle to have back available in N. My experience with six wheelers btw is that N is so slack rigid chassis work fine.

I have 13mm axles, and I can make them available in bulk if you find you need them or want to ship them with kits. I've only got 3'6" wheels at this point because the pricing meant I needed to pick a type and I mostly do coaches.

Alan, has there been a kit for the GNR full brake before then? I did look about but couldn't find one.

I thought Bill Bedford did the etches for one - or maybe I've got the wrong vehicle in mind ?

Alan
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: Hailstone on February 02, 2018, 07:39:50 PM
As far as I know, Bill has stopped doing N gauge stuff

Regards,

Alex
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: paulprice on February 02, 2018, 08:41:49 PM
How mean are you

Not very...  :smiley-laughing:

Off topic but I found your RM article on Foster Street yesterday while trying to find some drawings in my magazine collection. It was a fun diversion to reread it again!  :)

I deny all responsibility for it
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: Stevie DC on February 04, 2018, 08:28:33 AM
I deny all responsibility for it

Then I shall give you no credit for a great article!  :P :P

So if you deny responsibility, who wrote it?  :hmmm:
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: Stevie DC on February 04, 2018, 08:31:53 AM
I thought Bill Bedford did the etches for one - or maybe I've got the wrong vehicle in mind ?

My understanding is the same as Hailstone's and Bill has stopped doing his scratch aid etches. This is a real shame as I was going to get some if these this year - the GNR milk brake was high on the list!
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: Stevie DC on February 04, 2018, 01:45:04 PM
Bill Bedford etches. Yes I get the impression he has stopped doing N gauge.

A pity. As I have said before I feel with rtr prices increasing as they are more will be tempted/pushed to try their hand and actually building things.  This is an area in which the NGS could capitalise with their range of wagon kits.

Just a few days back I looked at the current cost of a Farish Toad brake van...I had to look twice to ensure I didn't need a trip to Specsavers!

Indeed that is my impression as well. Most of his current offerings are in 4-7mm, either as 3D prints or resin casts from (I think) 3D printed masters.

RTR prices are increasing at an alarming rate. That said, look at the cost of a continental locomotive and you'll see that generally British N is still cheaper by quite a way! I'd agree that it would be nice for the NGS to focus more on kit production but there is obviously a benefit to their decision to commission more RTR items (shame none so far released/planned fit into my own modelling interests or can be adapted to fit).

Your experience with the Farish Toad is my main reason for buying older models cheaply and upgrading them with 2mm Association etched chassis. While time consuming, I can usually come up with a good model at around two thirds of the cost of buying a new RTR - although that doesn't stop me from buying the occasional wagon or two!  ;)

However, will this lead to a situation where prices have to go up again to offset losses in sales and therefore make the market unviable? I don't think we're anywhere near that point yet (if we ever get there) but some food for thought.
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: paulprice on February 04, 2018, 06:41:02 PM
I deny all responsibility for it

Then I shall give you no credit for a great article!  :P :P

So if you deny responsibility, who wrote it?  :hmmm:

It was not me I cant write  :'( :'(
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: Stevie DC on February 07, 2018, 08:10:20 PM
I've spent a few days catching up a little with my massive backlog of kit built wagons.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/61/213-070218200958.jpeg)

From left to right are:

Two bogie brick wagons from my own CAD and printed by Shapeways - assembling the 'Return to Fletton' out of separate letters was 'fun' and thank goodness I found a picture of a second wagon without this!

GCR fish van from a BH Enterprises etched kit

LNER 'standard' fruit van - again BE Enterprises etched kit

1930's LNER ventilated van - a very old Farish body married to a 2mm Association etched chassis and N gauge wheels (using adaptor axles)

LNER plate wagon - Peco body with 2mm Association (formally Masterclass Models) etched chassis and N gauge wheels.



The plate wagon is slightly out of period as I've numbered it from a photograph without reading the caption (built 1943)! Still, the design commenced in the 1930's so I can live with this error.
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: Jollybob on February 08, 2018, 05:59:03 AM
Looking really good. What kind of vents are those on your LNER standard fruit van?

Rob.
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: Stevie DC on February 08, 2018, 11:37:26 AM
Looking really good. What kind of vents are those on your LNER standard fruit van?

Rob.

Hi Rob,

They're torpedo vents that I printed off.
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: Jerry Howlett on February 08, 2018, 03:36:00 PM
You do such great work, but I just can not get my head around the bogie brick wagons, not just yours but the similar bogie wagons produced back in the day by Farish.  Growing up (if I have) on the SR and then the WR I never saw anything like them in real life so I have a mental block on them.

Look so foreign to me.   :confused1: :confused1:

Jerry
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: Stevie DC on February 12, 2018, 09:45:55 AM
You do such great work, but I just can not get my head around the bogie brick wagons, not just yours but the similar bogie wagons produced back in the day by Farish.  Growing up (if I have) on the SR and then the WR I never saw anything like them in real life so I have a mental block on them.

Look so foreign to me.   :confused1: :confused1:

Jerry

Thanks Jerry (I think...). The bogie wagons do look a little strange don't they. I've gotten used to seeing the bogie bricks in isolation now but couple to the front of a coal train (prototypically due to the additional braking power these provided) they look very odd due to their size compared to the PO wagons! The old Farish wagon is a quite reasonable representation of an LNER Sulphate wagon which looks even better once lowered to a more prototypical height - I've got four of those now.
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: Stevie DC on February 12, 2018, 09:52:12 AM
I woke up to a surprise today as UPS had delivered my Shapeways prints!  :claphappy: This was a most welcome find as Shapeways predicted that they wouldn't be ready for shipping until Wednesday!

So what have I got?

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/61/213-120218094225.jpeg)

From left to right: MR 15' long outside frame van (this is truly tiny!), the early LNER Dia 23 fish van and the later LNER dia 134 fish van. As you can see, I've test fitted the wheels (Farish) and everything is free running.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/61/213-120218094242.jpeg)

The GNR six wheel full brake. This one isn't quite as successful as the clearances aren't quite their to take the wheelsets. I think that I might be able to play with the clearances to find a better compromise to accept Farish coach wheels. At present, this coach wouldn't even take a 13mm axle as there really isn't enough clearance around the wheels. I thought this might well be the case but thought I'd try my luck anyway - three successes out of four really isn't bad. On the plus side, I'm really impressed with how well the panelling has come out.
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: RailGooner on February 12, 2018, 09:57:41 AM
The GNR six wheel brake is looking rather lush. :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: Stevie DC on February 12, 2018, 10:03:25 AM
The GNR six wheel brake is looking rather lush. :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Thank you, I'm quite pleased with it. Of course, I'll be even more pleased when I can fit some wheels to it!!!!  :smiley-laughing:
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: Newportnobby on February 12, 2018, 10:49:15 AM
The detail on the GNR brake has really surprised me, and looks awesome, Steve. :o
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: paulprice on February 12, 2018, 04:19:54 PM
I woke up to a surprise today as UPS had delivered my Shapeways prints!  :claphappy: This was a most welcome find as Shapeways predicted that they wouldn't be ready for shipping until Wednesday!

So what have I got?

([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/61/213-120218094225.jpeg[/url])

From left to right: MR 15' long outside frame van (this is truly tiny!), the early LNER Dia 23 fish van and the later LNER dia 134 fish van. As you can see, I've test fitted the wheels (Farish) and everything is free running.

([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/61/213-120218094242.jpeg[/url])

The GNR six wheel full brake. This one isn't quite as successful as the clearances aren't quite their to take the wheelsets. I think that I might be able to play with the clearances to find a better compromise to accept Farish coach wheels. At present, this coach wouldn't even take a 13mm axle as there really isn't enough clearance around the wheels. I thought this might well be the case but thought I'd try my luck anyway - three successes out of four really isn't bad. On the plus side, I'm really impressed with how well the panelling has come out.


The 6 wheel brake is stunning, it looks nearly as good as the far superior MR panelled version, and the goods stock looks good too.

Keep us all updated on a production date, I'm sure you will have a queue of customers :)
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: w greatbatch on February 12, 2018, 04:51:26 PM
Lovely looking coach, how long did they last in service ?
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: Stevie DC on February 12, 2018, 05:33:11 PM
Thank you guys!  :D

All of these prints will still need some rubbing down to get them totally smooth but the quality of Shapeways' FXD material seems to have really improved over the last couple of years.

Lovely looking coach, how long did they last in service ?

The old GNR six wheelers seemed to last forever! While most seem to have been withdrawn from revenue earning service either before or just after WW2, quite a few were pressed into departmental service and lasted for many years after - I think this is the reason why there are several still about.
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: Newportnobby on February 12, 2018, 08:28:05 PM
Might be heresy but it would make a good grounded coach body too :hmmm:
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: Mike J on March 03, 2018, 01:50:03 PM
Excellent BRM magazine article on your 3D printing, Steve. I think that your explanation of the processes involved and the differences in printers and materials is a credit to you and a great help to us 'old fashioned' scratch builders. Nice shots of your D49 and K3. Thanks also for the North of England Line credit.
Mike.
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: Roy L S on March 03, 2018, 06:06:47 PM
Agreed, a great article, in fact the whole mag was a pretty well balanced read.

Good to see Steve's work and talent getting the exposure it most certainly deserves and I'm looking forward to his next instalment!

Roy
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: Stevie DC on March 05, 2018, 11:04:43 AM
Excellent BRM magazine article on your 3D printing, Steve. I think that your explanation of the processes involved and the differences in printers and materials is a credit to you and a great help to us 'old fashioned' scratch builders. Nice shots of your D49 and K3. Thanks also for the North of England Line credit.

Thank you Mike both for your kind comments and allowing me to run my locomotives on NoEL whenever our paths cross. I wasn't expecting the picture of the K3 to feature in the article as I didn't submit it (I was planning to save that one for the follow up article in a couple of months). However, as Tony Wright took all of the photographs, I can only assume that he provided it to BRM.

Agreed, a great article, in fact the whole mag was a pretty well balanced read.

Good to see Steve's work and talent getting the exposure it most certainly deserves and I'm looking forward to his next instalment!

Thank you Roy, I think that bodgings would be a more appropriate word than talent though!

Having never written an article before, I must confess to being very nervous about how it would be received. Therefore both your comments have been a welcome, and much needed, confidence boost during a bit of a downward phase.
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: Roy L S on March 05, 2018, 06:50:38 PM
Excellent BRM magazine article on your 3D printing, Steve. I think that your explanation of the processes involved and the differences in printers and materials is a credit to you and a great help to us 'old fashioned' scratch builders. Nice shots of your D49 and K3. Thanks also for the North of England Line credit.

Thank you Mike both for your kind comments and allowing me to run my locomotives on NoEL whenever our paths cross. I wasn't expecting the picture of the K3 to feature in the article as I didn't submit it (I was planning to save that one for the follow up article in a couple of months). However, as Tony Wright took all of the photographs, I can only assume that he provided it to BRM.

Agreed, a great article, in fact the whole mag was a pretty well balanced read.

Good to see Steve's work and talent getting the exposure it most certainly deserves and I'm looking forward to his next instalment!

Thank you Roy, I think that bodgings would be a more appropriate word than talent though!

Having never written an article before, I must confess to being very nervous about how it would be received. Therefore both your comments have been a welcome, and much needed, confidence boost during a bit of a downward phase.

Hi Steve

The praise is well deserved, don't underestimate how good your work is.

The Gresley non-corridor print in the article was a truly exquisite model and I really do hope that when you are ready it makes an appearance on Shapeways!

In case some haven't seen the picture in BRM perhaps you could show a pic or two on here, I suspect it will generate a fair buzz!

Regards

Roy
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: Stevie DC on March 06, 2018, 07:06:18 PM
Hi Steve

The praise is well deserved, don't underestimate how good your work is.

The Gresley non-corridor print in the article was a truly exquisite model and I really do hope that when you are ready it makes an appearance on Shapeways!

In case some haven't seen the picture in BRM perhaps you could show a pic or two on here, I suspect it will generate a fair buzz!

Regards

Roy

Thanks Roy. Unfortunately the photographs taken for this (and the follow up article due in a couple of months) are the property of BRM now so I can't share them here.  :(
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: Stevie DC on March 07, 2018, 11:16:06 AM
Hi all,

The two fish vans have been rubbed down and primed. These have been delayed as I needed them as demonstration pieces for the photo shoot for the follow up article in BRM.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/62/213-070318111135.jpeg)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/62/213-070318111233.jpeg)

The cruel enlargements show that there are still a couple of little bits to fettle and then I get to learn resin casting techniques!

The Midland van is lagging behind at the moment as it needed to be photographed in its raw state. It has now been washed (drying as I type this) and will be joining these two in due course.
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: Newportnobby on March 07, 2018, 08:10:16 PM
There's a wealth of detail to be seen on that :goggleeyes:. Great work, Steve
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: Stevie DC on March 08, 2018, 01:02:14 PM
There's a wealth of detail to be seen on that :goggleeyes:. Great work, Steve

Thanks Mick, I'll confess to feeling really rather pleased with how these are turning out!  :D
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: RailGooner on March 08, 2018, 03:08:04 PM
..
 I'll confess to feeling really rather pleased with how these are turning out!  :D

Rightly so. :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: maridunian on March 08, 2018, 05:24:35 PM
The two fish vans have been rubbed down and primed.

Hi Steve - Could I ask what tools/techniques do you use to rub down so precisely as to not affect rivets, etc?

Thanks

Mike
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: Stevie DC on March 08, 2018, 07:11:49 PM
Hi Steve - Could I ask what tools/techniques do you use to rub down so precisely as to not affect rivets, etc?

Hi Mike,

My usual toolkit comprises of primer (either Halfords red or Games Workshop Chaos Black) sanding sticks, no. 10 and 10a scalpel blades, a small modellers chisel (the type that fits into an exacto knife handle), cocktail sticks (surprisingly good as a light abrasive) and a glass fibre pen (used as a last resort and very very carefully!).

I've actually written an article for BRM covering this which I think will be published at the back end of April. However for the moment, the first thing I do is to clean them. This is especially important on FUD/FXD prints as you need to remove the wax residue as otherwise it will rise through the paint over time and make the model look like you've covered it in glitter! IPA or white spirit is good for dissolving the wax but don't be tempted to leave it soaking for too long - I use a cheap ultrasonic bath for around 10 minutes for this. Once done, rinse with water (I give it a light scrub with an old toothbrush and some liquid hand soap) and leave to dry.

The next thing I do is to prime the model so that I can see all the detail and I spend a little while studying where the various features are that I'd like to avoid. After than its a case of working around the model with sanding sticks and using one of the other tools to get into areas that would otherwise be hard to reach. For areas with lots of rivets, such as the chassis of the vans, I either use a chisel of no. 10 scalpel blade held vertically to the model and gently rub back and forth (just the pressure of the blade) between the rivets. This is where priming the model first has a second advantage, you can easily see where you've removed material and once all the paint is removed then you're about there. I used the chisel attachment to get in between the outside frames of the earlier fish van as will - the trick is not to let the blade dig in!

Some areas just need to have loose material removing (where it has reacted with the wax supports while printing). In these cases, I chop the end off a cocktail stick at an angle and use this to remove the loose (fuzzy) material. I also did the 'W' irons of the wagon chassis using this technique.

For something like the Stannier 2P with it's riveted tank side, I found that chopping the end of a sanding stick at an angle allowed me to get in between the rows of rivets and remove most of the stepping. Two additional applications of primer took care of the rest - go over in light coats though is it is very easy to flood the detail by doing this! If you've managed to remove some rivets then Archers rivet transfers are great (if fiddly) for replacing them - the large of the two vans has two replaced rivets but tell me where!

After this, I wash the model again and, if necessary, clean out any grooves (plank lines) using the back of a scalpel blade, leave to dry and reprime. Then its a case of going around tidying up any areas that still require attention before moving on with painting, etc.

I had a whole host of pictures taken a couple of weeks back covering this. Unfortunately they are not my property so I can't publish them myself (at least not yet). Regarding the sanding sticks, my preferences are the ones sold be Flory Models (5mm wide, medium and fine grits) and Albion Alloys (3mm wide various grits). I like these as they are flexible and less like to flatten curves on the model like a file or homemade sander.

Hope this helps, it sounds complicated but really isn't too bad once you've gotten the hang of things.  :)
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: maridunian on March 09, 2018, 09:43:45 AM
Thank you Steve - I've bought some bits and pieces from Shapeways but have yet to paint them, so this is very helpful.

Mike
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: Stevie DC on March 16, 2018, 09:45:51 AM
I've managed to get a bit more work done on the GNR full brake...

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/63/213-160318094330.jpeg)

A very cruel close up (the models is c. 66m long!) showing that I've still got a couple of bits to address before this is ready for use as a casting master (and a redesign of the chassis!).

Done a bit of work on the CAD for the County but that's for the loco thread when I've got something that I'm happy showing!
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: CarriageShed on March 16, 2018, 12:53:51 PM
That's wonderful detailing. If that were an S&D or an SR coach then I'd even be tempted to have a go at hand-painting the lining.
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: Stevie DC on March 16, 2018, 04:27:33 PM
That's wonderful detailing. If that were an S&D or an SR coach then I'd even be tempted to have a go at hand-painting the lining.

Thank you, luckily (for me anyway) the LNER abandoned lining on non-corridor stock in 1928 so I don't have to worry about this one! That said, I do want to recreate the 1938 special set that was refurbished in GNR livery for using with the Stirling single so I'll have to line a couple at some point!

A friend on another forum has pointed out that I've got the roof layout slightly wrong! Therefore, I'll be amending the CAD and reprinting this one before using it as a casting master.
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: Roy L S on March 16, 2018, 05:39:31 PM
I've managed to get a bit more work done on the GNR full brake...

([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/63/213-160318094330.jpeg[/url])

A very cruel close up (the models is c. 66m long!) showing that I've still got a couple of bits to address before this is ready for use as a casting master (and a redesign of the chassis!).

Done a bit of work on the CAD for the County but that's for the loco thread when I've got something that I'm happy showing!


Lovely job Steve, I look forward to release of the kit!!!!

Roy
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: Stevie DC on March 16, 2018, 07:19:18 PM
Lovely job Steve, I look forward to release of the kit!!!!

Roy

Thanks Roy, this one is lagging behind the others and so it will be a while yet before it is ready...
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: CarriageShed on March 17, 2018, 04:21:38 PM
It's such a shame that you're so LNER-biased. Us SR modellers could really do with a couple of good ex-LSWR-pattern coaches and the like :)
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: Stevie DC on March 31, 2018, 09:03:01 AM
It's such a shame that you're so LNER-biased. Us SR modellers could really do with a couple of good ex-LSWR-pattern coaches and the like :)

I'm happy to look into other railways stock - I'm not totally LNER bias but (eventually) modelling Hadley Wood on the ECML does skew things a little! Where can I find drawings for LSWR coaches?
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: Stevie DC on March 31, 2018, 09:08:36 AM
I've been playing around with some resin casting. While results have been very promising, the castings have shown that my initial design for the vans could do with some revision to make life easier. Therefore, I've spent a bit of time redesigning these and will be getting another batch of masters printed in due course.

However, I have a handful of cast fish van bodies, but no rooves or chassis, and it seemed a pity to not use them. Therefore, I put together a few 2mm Association etched chassis (two in primer drying and one more to be built) and knocked up a roof using BHE etches. The results of the first effort is below.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/63/213-310318090341.jpeg)

The actual kit will have a mainly cast chassis and roof to make things easier for modellers.
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: CarriageShed on April 02, 2018, 12:26:40 PM
I'm happy to look into other railways stock - I'm not totally LNER bias but (eventually) modelling Hadley Wood on the ECML does skew things a little! Where can I find drawings for LSWR coaches?

I guess we're all skewed towards whatever we're modelling :)

If you can get your hands on a copy of 'LSWR Carriages in the 20th Century' by G R Weddell then you'd have all the information you'd ever need. Volume 1 of the same series, 'LSWR Carriages' also has some late Victorian diagrams that could be useful. Plus there are a couple of later volumes that deal with some interesting non-coaching stock.
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: Stevie DC on April 03, 2018, 08:38:05 AM
I guess we're all skewed towards whatever we're modelling :)

If you can get your hands on a copy of 'LSWR Carriages in the 20th Century' by G R Weddell then you'd have all the information you'd ever need. Volume 1 of the same series, 'LSWR Carriages' also has some late Victorian diagrams that could be useful. Plus there are a couple of later volumes that deal with some interesting non-coaching stock.

Thank you. That's the really expensive volume isn't it???

I'm going back to Pickering in August, I'll have a look through the bookshop at Grosmont and see if they've got a copy.
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: CarriageShed on April 03, 2018, 12:00:53 PM
Thank you. That's the really expensive volume isn't it???

I'm going back to Pickering in August, I'll have a look through the bookshop at Grosmont and see if they've got a copy.

They can be, but perhaps not if you wait for the right bargain. While I paid £32 for volume 1 (ouch!), I picked up volume 2 (20th Century) for under a fiver. Actually, volume 1 is available on a certain auction site for £16 at the moment, without a wraparound cover.

PM sent on this subject :)
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: Stevie DC on June 05, 2018, 07:30:46 PM
Not much to report but I thought I'd just leave this here for the moment...  ;)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/66/213-050618192938.jpeg)
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: R Marshall on June 05, 2018, 07:47:59 PM
That's really very good, not to say beautiful!
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: Roy L S on June 05, 2018, 07:55:41 PM
Great work yet again Steve, that looks superb!

Roy
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: Newportnobby on June 05, 2018, 08:45:20 PM
Smashing, Steve :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: paulprice on June 05, 2018, 09:21:46 PM
Not much to report but I thought I'd just leave this here for the moment...  ;)

([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/66/213-050618192938.jpeg[/url])


You big show off :)   It looks brilliant, can I have one
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: Stevie DC on June 05, 2018, 10:55:04 PM
Thanks guys, after the last few weeks, your kind words and encouragement means a lot to me. I can't wait to finish designing the roof fittings and tidy that whole area up!

You big show off :)   It looks brilliant, can I have one

If I'm a big show off then I have you to thank as my teacher of how to be more of an extrovert!

I do plan to get this one out in some form, you'll know when I manage it! :)
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: CarriageShed on June 06, 2018, 02:53:26 PM
Not much to report but I thought I'd just leave this here for the moment...  ;)

That's an absolutely wonderful level of detailing. I really do love a good carriage...
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: Stevie DC on August 21, 2018, 07:37:59 AM
Hi all,

Not much has happened over the last month as I've been hit by one thing after another and as a consequence the mojo hit a new low. However I've slowly been getting better and my better half decided that we needed a holiday in Pickering again - we were going to go abroad this year but a planned job didn't work out so we couldn't afford it.

Anyway we're in 'sunny' North Yorkshire at the moment and we spend Sunday at the Pickering show where we met up with MikeJ and the Scarborough team as well as Tony Wright. I've not come up here empty handed either as I'd purchased a 2mm Association etched kit as a holiday project. This is possibly the most complex etched kit I've tackled so far as there are a lot of very small parts and the foot boards are a little fiddly.

This is what the etched fret looks like (borrowed from the 2mm site as I forgot to take a picture of mine before I started!).

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/68/213-210818073121.jpeg)

Below is the result of four hours work since Sunday night...

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/68/213-210818072255.jpeg)

There are still a lot of small details to add but overall it is a very enjoyable kit which cost £7.25 for the basic etches plus whatever the cost for the bearings, wheels and buffers was.

I doubt I'll get much done today as we're off to ride the trains today! I'm hoping that we'll end up with either the B1 or Black Five as they've apparently been re painted into LNER and LMS liveries!  :claphappy:


Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: R Marshall on August 21, 2018, 11:00:52 AM
Aye, the B1 is 1264 (shortly to be renumbered as 1040 Roedeer) and the Black 5 is 5428 Eric Treacy.

Hope you get one of these, but the Pocket Rocket 76079 is a good loco and well liked by crews.
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: Roy L S on August 21, 2018, 04:49:54 PM
Hi all,

Not much has happened over the last month as I've been hit by one thing after another and as a consequence the mojo hit a new low. However I've slowly been getting better and my better half decided that we needed a holiday in Pickering again - we were going to go abroad this year but a planned job didn't work out so we couldn't afford it.

Anyway we're in 'sunny' North Yorkshire at the moment and we spend Sunday at the Pickering show where we met up with MikeJ and the Scarborough team as well as Tony Wright. I've not come up here empty handed either as I'd purchased a 2mm Association etched kit as a holiday project. This is possibly the most complex etched kit I've tackled so far as there are a lot of very small parts and the foot boards are a little fiddly.

This is what the etched fret looks like (borrowed from the 2mm site as I forgot to take a picture of mine before I started!).

([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/68/213-210818073121.jpeg[/url])

Below is the result of four hours work since Sunday night...

There are still a lot of small details to add but overall it is a very enjoyable kit which cost £7.25 for the basic etches plus whatever the cost for the bearings, wheels and buffers was.

I doubt I'll get much done today as we're off to ride the trains today! I'm hoping that we'll end up with either the B1 or Black Five as they've apparently been re painted into LNER and LMS liveries!  :claphappy:






Great work as always Steve, hope you enjoyed the train ride today!

Roy
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: Stevie DC on August 21, 2018, 05:30:33 PM
Thanks Roy(s).

We did enjoy the ride today and just made it in time to get on the 11am train which was made up of the teaks and hauled by the B1. As we were late and the train was rather full, we got directed to sit in first class for no extra cost! First class c. 1939 looks like this!

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/68/213-210818172454.jpeg)

Our motive power.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/68/213-210818171815.jpeg)

And possibly the best view on the train...

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/68/213-210818172202.jpeg)

We didn't ride all the way to Whitby thought, that's a day trip by car tomorrow!
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: R Marshall on August 22, 2018, 09:39:09 PM
Well I missed you by a day!

I saw the B1 leave Grosmont this morning rather noisily and if you'd been on the return working you'd have seen me perched on top of the Q6 boiler wrestling with the dome and the snifting valve.

Don't think I've been in the 1st Class teak - nice pictures.

REgards,

Roy
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: Stevie DC on August 22, 2018, 11:10:37 PM
That's a shame that we missed you Roy, any idea why the B1 was noisy? We're likely to be back at Grosmont on Friday as we both liked the cafe in the old school building.

A bit more progress was achieved on the Toad E today.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/68/213-220818230221.jpeg)

The whole lot needs a thorough clean! I'm not happy with the etched handrails that span the middle section. While the fold up etch is an ingenious design, they are really fragile. I think I'll be cutting out that section and replacing them with some guitar wire and handrail knobs to give them some strength. Other than that, I've old got the lamp irons, buffers and roof to go - some much for it keeping me busy for a week!
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: R Marshall on August 22, 2018, 11:37:53 PM
Steve,

The B1 was slipping over the crossing and almost to the tunnel and seemed to have the drain cocks open for a long while.

I'm just there Wednesdays for Q6 working parties - great in the season, because there's so much steam to see and hear and smell.

Regards,

Roy
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: Stevie DC on August 23, 2018, 08:14:37 AM
Shame that we won't be able to meet. I'll give you no argument over the sights, sounds and smells of steam! I'm in Middleton at the moment so I've enjoyed an evening drive over to Pickering most days to see the 5:30 and 6:15 arrivals while SHMBO is having a bath - pure bliss!

Back to the Toad E and I think I've gone as far as I can here. The lamp brackets will have to remain off the model as I didn't read the instructions properly! The brackets 'holding' the body to the chassis are also missing as I lost two of them! The roof is simply balanced on top of the body and is discoloured as I took advantage of the gas cooker here and annealed it before rolling it to shape using a bit of round rod and some kitchen paper folded into a pad.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/68/213-230818080434.jpeg)

The picture shows the one of the handrails around the ducket wasn't soldered on very well and has been lost. I'll replace this with some wire (along with the long horizontal ones) when I get home. This is the most complicated kit I've attempted and, other than a few fiddly bits, was good fun and well worth the money!
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: Stevie DC on August 24, 2018, 10:11:48 AM
It is our last full day in North Yorkshire and, having taken the Toad E as far as I can here, I decided to build some plastic wagons...

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/68/213-240818100430.jpeg)

These are the 2mm Association's LNER six plank wagon bodies kits. Compared to the Toad E these are a breeze to put together and the six bodies pictured represent about an hours worth of effort. The LNER built these in bulk right from the start of their existence and, while the bodies were all pretty much the same, the chassis could have been of either 9' or 10' wheelbase, wooden or steel sole bars and vacuum braked or unfitted - quite a few variations are possible.

For my first batch, I used the Peco 9' chassis, slightly shortened, but for these I'll but using the 2mm etched chassis kits and represent as many variants as possible. I need to get some more chassis though as I'm down to my last two now. :(
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: Stevie DC on August 26, 2018, 06:54:14 PM
Back home today with some time to myself. Therefore, I decided to paint up some Peco 9' wheelbase PO wagons that I built last year.

Having consulted with my copy of 'LNER Wagons' I confirmed that the LNER did build some wagons to the same basic outline as the PO types. Therefore, these ones have a relatively easy grey and black colour scheme. I wanted to get the bulk of the airbrushing done today so I simply used Halfords grey primer for the grey and Tamiya acrylics for the black underframes and buff for the interior. All in this took two hours.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/68/213-260818184849.jpeg)

I'll touch in the various bits of ironwork that need to be painted black tomorrow using a brush but not to bad for a couple of hours rush job. Ultimately these are going to be weathered so the rather pale look (actually a bit of a trick of the light anyway) will be much darker once I'm done.
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: paulprice on August 26, 2018, 09:28:41 PM
Back home today with some time to myself. Therefore, I decided to paint up some Peco 9' wheelbase PO wagons that I built last year.

Having consulted with my copy of 'LNER Wagons' I confirmed that the LNER did build some wagons to the same basic outline as the PO types. Therefore, these ones have a relatively easy grey and black colour scheme. I wanted to get the bulk of the airbrushing done today so I simply used Halfords grey primer for the grey and Tamiya acrylics for the black underframes and buff for the interior. All in this took two hours.

([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/68/213-260818184849.jpeg[/url])

I'll touch in the various bits of ironwork that need to be painted black tomorrow using a brush but not to bad for a couple of hours rush job. Ultimately these are going to be weathered so the rather pale look (actually a bit of a trick of the light anyway) will be much darker once I'm done.


Looking good
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: Stevie DC on August 26, 2018, 10:27:20 PM
Looking good

Thanks Paul. A few weeks ago I was seriously considering giving up and selling my stock so your (and other's) kind comments really mean a lot at the moment. :)
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: Dr Al on August 26, 2018, 10:41:42 PM
A few weeks ago I was seriously considering giving up and selling my stock so your (and other's) kind comments really mean a lot at the moment. :)

You can't do that - I'm hoping you'll release that LMS Fowler 0-4-4 tank sometime!!

Seriously - if the mojo drops take some time out - or look to old unfinished different projects for something refreshing.

Cheers,
Alan
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: paulprice on August 26, 2018, 11:10:59 PM
Looking good

Thanks Paul. A few weeks ago I was seriously considering giving up and selling my stock so your (and other's) kind comments really mean a lot at the moment. :)

Listen you don't you ever give up, your a source of inspiration for modellers like me, the hobby should be glad its got modellers like you in it.

Email Me
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: Drakken on August 26, 2018, 11:33:37 PM
Back home today with some time to myself. Therefore, I decided to paint up some Peco 9' wheelbase PO wagons that I built last year.

Having consulted with my copy of 'LNER Wagons' I confirmed that the LNER did build some wagons to the same basic outline as the PO types. Therefore, these ones have a relatively easy grey and black colour scheme. I wanted to get the bulk of the airbrushing done today so I simply used Halfords grey primer for the grey and Tamiya acrylics for the black underframes and buff for the interior. All in this took two hours.

([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/68/213-260818184849.jpeg[/url])

I'll touch in the various bits of ironwork that need to be painted black tomorrow using a brush but not to bad for a couple of hours rush job. Ultimately these are going to be weathered so the rather pale look (actually a bit of a trick of the light anyway) will be much darker once I'm done.


Seeing your results and kit building( Which are awesome ), You've got me hooked. Think I'll have to go have a venture into this. Appreciate the thread looking forward to more updates  :beers:
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: Train Waiting on August 27, 2018, 08:28:54 AM
Looking good

Thanks Paul. A few weeks ago I was seriously considering giving up and selling my stock so your (and other's) kind comments really mean a lot at the moment. :)

Hello Steve

I think many of us get this from time to time.  Alan has it spot on with taking a break.  Maybe go and look at, hear and smell some big steam locomotives in action.

When I got tired of P4, I almost gave up model railways, but I had a short break and then a change of gauge.  20 years later I'm still having fun.  And that, in my view, is what this marvellous hobby is all about.

By the way, your wagons are terrific!

With kind regards.

John
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: twinklekev on August 27, 2018, 10:15:44 AM
Good morning Steve,

Really impressed with the kit building. Wish I could build them that quick. Anyway, I have a question; is there a noticable size difference between the N Gauge rolling stock and the 2mm FS kit built one's. And what chassis / wheel combination are you using?

I'm asking because I'm seriously thinking of joining the 2mm FS brigade as they have some wagon kits that I really want to fill holes in my stock roster.

Oh, and keep the faith.

Regards,

Kevin.
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: Stevie DC on August 27, 2018, 11:41:31 AM
I did say considering selling up...

Thank you for the kind words guys, it means a lot to me and I'll do my best to keep going!

Alan, the Stanier 2P will make it to Shapeways at some point. I don't know about a Fowler one though...

Paul, I'll drop you an email in the next day or two. :)

John, thank you for the kind words and I'm glad I'm not the only one who feels like this from time to time.

Kevin and Drakken, thanks for the kind words and I'm glad my nailing together of these kits is inspiring others to have a go. The 2mm FS kits are to a scale of 1:152 while N gauge is 1:148. To be honest, as long as you're not intending to put N gauge and 2mm scale models of the same prototype next to one another, I don't think that the difference is noticeable. For example Copenhagen Fields (sadly not a layout that I'm involved with but do know a couple of people who are) happily mixes 2mm and converted N gauge on the layout and I've not heard of anyone complaining yet. The 2mm Association does do a few etched wagon chassis kits designed to convert Peco and some other N gauge kits which, once you've got the knack of, are relatively straight forward to build (but they benefit from being soldered not glued).
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: Newportnobby on August 27, 2018, 11:45:38 AM
Looking good

Thanks Paul. A few weeks ago I was seriously considering giving up and selling my stock so your (and other's) kind comments really mean a lot at the moment. :)

Don't you bloody dare as the forum would be a much poorer place :telloff:
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: Stevie DC on August 27, 2018, 11:45:43 AM
So this morning I decided to get out the decals and make a start on the wagons. I recently obtained a sheet of Modelmasters decals for LNER wagons which include pre-made up numbers. As I'm not too fussed about correct wagon numbering, I decided to use these and finally number my last three LNER six plank wagons from my batch last year at the same time. Once I'd done that, I painted the bits of the brake handles that didn't get done yesterday and the buffers.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/68/213-270818113115.jpeg)

The LNER PO wagons (front two rows) aren't finished yet as they need a diagonal stripe painting on to denote the end with the door. I'll probably mask and spray these using the airbrush (sealing in the decals first with some more gloss varnish) before weathering begins.
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: Roy L S on August 27, 2018, 01:00:34 PM
Looking good


Thanks Paul. A few weeks ago I was seriously considering giving up and selling my stock so your (and other's) kind comments really mean a lot at the moment. :)


Hi Steve

I wish I could produce models to the standard that you do, I am another who draws inspiration from your amazing work, and it pushes me to try to improve myself. I am glad your mojo is returning, clearly demonstrated by these wagons and that lovely etched Toad E you built recently.

My foray into wagon kit building has been to no small extent inspired by the models you have created, in many cases from a blank sheet of paper, and by comparison I have a fair way to go, but to give some indication of the "addiction" fuelled, the right hand track in the pic below contains just some of my kitbuilds from the last year or so!
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/68/242-270818125542.jpeg)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/68/242-270818125706.jpeg)

Anyway, I've still got some finger-burning soldering lessons to arrange with you I recall...


Roy



Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: Stevie DC on August 27, 2018, 08:43:14 PM
Hi Roy,

Thank you for the kind words, remember it was your scratch built K3 that started me off on this whole journey as I wanted one too! Your wagons look very nice and you should be proud of them and the number that you have constructed!

I've got a couple of those kits as well which are also slowly working their way though the paint shop...

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/68/213-270818204046.jpeg)

I'll email you during the week and we can finally get a date for modelling over at your place sorted!  :D
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: maridunian on August 28, 2018, 10:33:55 AM
Looking good


Thanks Paul. A few weeks ago I was seriously considering giving up and selling my stock so your (and other's) kind comments really mean a lot at the moment. :)


I'd like to echo what others have said Steve. You make a huge contribution to this site and therefore to others' modelling - this thread alone has been read 15000+ times!

For example, you sparked my interest in 3D printing...

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/68/2947-280818102404-68506727.jpeg)

and where would I be without my Dunelm portable workstation, (where a Weetabix is about to get shirt-collar windows) ?

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/68/2947-280818102353-684691292.jpeg)

Thank you. Again, as others have written, modelling breaks are good, especially when spent with real trains!

Mike

Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: Stevie DC on August 28, 2018, 02:49:00 PM
Wow maridunian, that's some setup of a workbench and nice CAD work there! What's happening to that poor Shredded Wheat coach?

Out of those 15,000 odd viewings, I'm sure I'm responsible for at least 14,990 of them!  :smiley-laughing:

I didn't realise just how much my own efforts have helped and/or inspired others, thanks to everyone for giving me a bit of a boost in my own modelling!
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: maridunian on August 28, 2018, 04:13:23 PM
Wow maridunian, that's some setup of a workbench and nice CAD work there!

Thanks - well, your butler-tray suggestion made working inside the house, without having to lay out/put away newspaper dustsheets and whatever I was working on/with when household needs required, so much simpler. Clearing up = put tray away. Simples!

The CAD is just playing about, but it's been easier than I expected to get started. I probably won't invest in my own 3D printer as I can't see me making the quantities of stuff that would pay-back, but might try Shapeways prototype service, if I ever complete a design ... which given the slow pace down at Maridunian Railways, is far from certain.


What's happening to that poor Shredded Wheat coach?



(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/68/2947-280818155438.jpeg)

Nothing remarkable - just a quick repaint, some window glazing and Peco couplers attached - to serve as something anonimous in a 'paddy train' miners' commute service. Others have shown that even a little coach like this could become a substantial project - but I just wanted something cheap & cheerful for now.

Mike
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: Stevie DC on August 28, 2018, 05:30:27 PM
The tray does make it easier to move things around/clean up doesn't it. I've actually got two of these, one is dedicated to painting/lining/decaling and the other is for general modelling. I found that CAD wasn't too difficult to get my head around the basics, learning how to be efficient and what some of the more exotic things did took some more time though!

Speaking of CAD, annoyingly, I'm locked out of my program at the moment due to a technical issue, but hopefully this will be sorted out tomorrow. Therefore, I thought I'd see about taking another wagon project forward.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/68/213-280818171756.jpeg)

This is the NGS GWR Loriot kit masquerading as an LNER (NER) MAC L wagon. After adding the decals, I found some evidence that the underframe was probably black (I'd painted it grey) so I mixed up a dark wash and liberally applied it to darken things up down there. I'll have to go lightly when weathering the grey bits so that I don't lose the contrast. I've got a second one of these to finish but, annoying, the decal sheet only supplies 'MAC' decals for one wagon!

I've found that the 2mm Association does a set of etches for both the GER and GCR versions of these wagons so I think that I might just have to get a couple when I've recovered from the financial hit of the holiday...
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: maridunian on August 28, 2018, 09:22:46 PM
Yes, most wagons seem to get lighter over time, except the bits that get rustier/oiler.

Mike
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: Stevie DC on August 28, 2018, 10:46:55 PM
 :greatpicturessign:
Yes, most wagons seem to get lighter over time, except the bits that get rustier/oiler.

Yes, sunlight tended to bleach paint over time while oil, smoke, ash and coal dust tended to darken it again. Difficult to decided which way to go. I think this one will have some weathering powders subtly applied once I've matt coated it. The mineral wagons will be pretty grotty by the time I've finished with them. I really should do some subtle weathering on some more locos, only one of mine has been so treated to date...
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: Stevie DC on September 11, 2018, 04:52:32 PM
These dropped through the letter box today courtesy of the 2mm Association.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/68/213-110918151241.jpeg)

There are three NER hopper wagons and two GER cattle vans along with enough etched chassis to build three of each. In the background is one built NER hopper wagon body (just to ensure that it all goes together properly you understand) and a built GER cattle wagon from a couple of years ago that has been waiting for its chassis! I'm over at another forum member's house tomorrow for a bit of a modelling day so one or two of these may (or may not) get built!
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: Stevie DC on September 14, 2018, 01:27:25 PM
I forgot to post an update on the mineral wagons built from the Peco 9' WB PO kit.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/69/213-140918131851.jpeg)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/69/213-140918131945.jpeg)

Modelling the 1930's period, there isn't much I can get away with weathering to this extent so I've enjoyed the opportunity to make these into the unloved coal wagons that they were! :D The weathering was achieved using a couple of thin washes of Railmatch 'Roof Dirty' followed by some applications of Humbrol 'Soot' and 'Dark Earth' weathering powders.

One of the NER hoppers is almost complete. Despite it's simple looks, it is a lot more complicated than it looked! Hopefully the second one will be better.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/69/213-140918131220.jpeg)

I've straightened the bent step on the end as well now!
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: paulprice on September 14, 2018, 06:51:12 PM
I forgot to post an update on the mineral wagons built from the Peco 9' WB PO kit.

([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/69/213-140918131851.jpeg[/url])

([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/69/213-140918131945.jpeg[/url])

Modelling the 1930's period, there isn't much I can get away with weathering to this extent so I've enjoyed the opportunity to make these into the unloved coal wagons that they were! :D The weathering was achieved using a couple of thin washes of Railmatch 'Roof Dirty' followed by some applications of Humbrol 'Soot' and 'Dark Earth' weathering powders.

One of the NER hoppers is almost complete. Despite it's simple looks, it is a lot more complicated than it looked! Hopefully the second one will be better.

([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/69/213-140918131220.jpeg[/url])

I've straightened the bent step on the end as well now!


looking brilliant to me
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: Roy L S on September 16, 2018, 05:39:46 PM

I've got a couple of those kits as well which are also slowly working their way though the paint shop...

([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/68/213-270818204046.jpeg[/url])




Hi Steve

A pic of a very similar van taken at Quainton Railway Centre today: -

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/69/242-160918171645.jpeg)

Another great find was a nicely restored Palvan the same as the NGS kit (can a Mod reorient it for me I can't seem to do it!) oh and yes, metal frame and plywood Steve - quite correct!

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/69/242-160918172729.jpeg)

And lastly, a VEA, also at Quainton, the subject of a new RTR model via RevolutioN and formerly (before being air-braked) the Vanwide - also an NGS kit!.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/69/242-160918173623.jpeg)

There were a few other nice finds too, I don't normally pay as much attention to rolling stock, glad I did this time.

Roy
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: Stevie DC on September 16, 2018, 05:57:02 PM
Thanks for those Roy,

I think that Quainton has the smaller version of the MR outside frame van as well. The Palvan and VEA look very good too! I understand that Revolution isn't doing the Vanwide so that they don't undercut the NGS's sales.

When I was up in North Yorkshire a few weeks ago (it seems much longer ago than that now!), I got a few snaps of various bits of stock but what took my interest was this:

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/69/213-160918175325.jpeg)

It's an old GER van. Apparently they were very long lived and were popular as stores vans once their revenue earning lives ended. This might explain why I found no less than three of these vans on the NYMR! Ok, one was a grounded body! I have to say that it has taken my fancy and I've got drawings for it already in one of my books!  :claphappy: Now I just need to get back into a consistent frame of mind to clear things off and be willing to sit and CAD it up.  :(
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: Stevie DC on September 16, 2018, 06:14:21 PM
On a slightly more positive note, somebody donated an NGS LMS bogie bolster wagon kit (thanks Roy!). I was hoping that it would be sufficiently similar to the LNER Quint C bogie bolster to modify the kit. Alas, it has a few too many differences for me to do a conversion I'd be happy with and so I just built it instead!

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/69/213-160918181042.jpeg)

All in all an enjoyable hour or so. For some reason I decided to use butanone (purchased to build the Finetrax turnout kits) instead of my usual Tamiya solvent glue - you have to use it sparingly but my goodness, it doesn't half set up quickly!
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: Stevie DC on September 18, 2018, 09:01:35 AM
The LMS Bogie Bolster wagon has had some basic painting done.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/69/213-180918085530.jpeg)

It's going to remain in this condition for a while as I need to save up to buy some LMS decals before I can weather it.
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: Dr Al on September 18, 2018, 09:08:02 AM
The LMS Bogie Bolster wagon has had some basic painting done.

([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/69/213-180918085530.jpeg[/url])

It's going to remain in this condition for a while as I need to save up to buy some LMS decals before I can weather it.


I've got a train of these slowly coming together in BR Livery - 4 done, 3 on the bench and several scrappers that I might be able to salvage one good one from. One improvement (which I have bought the parts for but have yet to do) is to replace the buffers with turned brass ones - they are a bit thick and clunky as is, and fragile to damage. I also added coupling hooks, a bar linking the brake hand levers (as would be the case in real life) and bars across the underframe where they would have been. All this lifts the already decent kit a little further.

Cheers,
Alan
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: Stevie DC on September 18, 2018, 09:43:30 AM
I've got a train of these slowly coming together in BR Livery - 4 done, 3 on the bench and several scrappers that I might be able to salvage one good one from. One improvement (which I have bought the parts for but have yet to do) is to replace the buffers with turned brass ones - they are a bit thick and clunky as is, and fragile to damage. I also added coupling hooks, a bar linking the brake hand levers (as would be the case in real life) and bars across the underframe where they would have been. All this lifts the already decent kit a little further.

Thanks Alan,

I did thin the buffers down and give them a slight curve using sanding sticks, I'll see how well they last and I'll replace them if necessary (and as funds allow). Coupling hooks are something that I've been omitting recently from my fix rake stock as I've found they aren't that noticeable while I've been adding them to anything that is going to be shunted around (vac pipes on the other hand will be added as required but not applicable to this wagon). While this wagon is destine to be part of a fixed rake, maybe I should fit coupling hooks due to low flat bed. The bar linking the brake handles and truss rods should be added but I was in need of a few 'quick wins' for my sanity - it wouldn't be difficult to add now so I'll do that before applying the decals.

One other detail that I'll be adding before weathering are the hoops that would hold the securing chains. These haven't been made yet but I figured that they'd be easier to paint off the model. Overall it is a very nice kit but with a few design choices that show its vintage. I still need to decide what I'm going to use as a load. I was originally thinking of using code 40 rails but I think I'd struggle to explain why the LNER was using an LMS wagon to transport rail! Some kind of girder made out of Plastruct might be just the ticket.

I was hoping that I could use this kit to make a reasonable representation of an LNER 'Quint C' bogie bolster. Unfortunately, while it is around the right length, there are a few too many details in inaccessible places that would need to be removed. I'll have to design and 3D print a few when I've got the time and inclination.  ;)
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: Stevie DC on September 22, 2018, 12:12:54 PM
In between test printing and alterations to some other projects, I've been tackling some of the 2mm Association's etches to produce some Fox bogies. This is how the etch arrives, it'll need bearings and wheels to complete.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/69/213-220918112938.jpeg)

Being an older design, the axle boxes are made up out of three separate layers that need to be carefully positioned and soldered into place. Newer designs have these in one piece to allow this tiny components to be folded up which does make life a little easier.

Below are the completed bogies with the 2mm Association's 7mm diameter coach wheelsets that have been turned to N gauge standards. Each bogie took about an hour and twenty minutes to build.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/69/213-220918113025.jpeg)

I primarily used solder paste to put these together by did use a couple of tiny amounts of 145 degree solder to tack the ends of the cross members to the bogie sides once I'd folded everything up. After that is was a scrub using cream cleaner followed by a wash and a then a soaking an a solution of Cillit Bang (about 25% bang to 75% water) for about half an hour before giving the bogies a final wash. Once dry, I test fitted the wheels to ensure everything was level and ran smoothly.

You may have noticed that there are only three bogies in the picture and there is a reason for this.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/69/213-220918113059.jpeg)

An ex-GNR articulated pair which I've been working on one and off since the beginning of the year. Originally these were built as vestibule six wheelers but were rebuilt by Gresley into articulated pairs. Four of these set were created but, sadly gone before nationalisation. I've still got to design the underframes as I need to work out how I'm going to articulate them (I'd like some kind of close coupling cam system) and I needed the bogies made up to be able to take measurements (as well as to get a bit of inspiration by placing the bodies on top of them!).
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: Newportnobby on September 22, 2018, 02:02:57 PM
Looks like another super model not long to appear from the Atso Laboratory!
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: Stevie DC on September 22, 2018, 02:29:55 PM
Looks like another super model not long to appear from the Atso Laboratory!

Thanks Mick, this one is very much an 'as and when' project for myself. I'll be happy if I can call it complete sometime in January - if it is before that would be great!
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: Stevie DC on December 25, 2018, 11:18:21 AM
Thanks to my wonderfully understanding and tolerant girlfriend, I got these as my press's this morning!  :D

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/72/213-251218101523.jpeg)

2mm scale etches for another Toad E, an LNER cattle van, GC and GE Macs, some coal wagons and various chassis etches and associated bits to finish off some other projects.

Now all I need is the time to build time (and finish off a load of other bits)!

I am very lucky!  :claphappy:
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: exmouthcraig on December 25, 2018, 12:07:47 PM
I bet you find the time to scoff the orange before anything else  :laugh3:

Looks like more interesting stuff coming from you in 2019 then @Atso (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=213)

Merry Christmas to you and your understanding GF
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: Stevie DC on December 25, 2018, 05:12:36 PM
I bet you find the time to scoff the orange before anything else  :laugh3:

Looks like more interesting stuff coming from you in 2019 then @Atso (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=213)

Merry Christmas to you and your understanding GF

The chocolate orange is still intact (as I don't think I could eat anything else today!) but likewise, the kits aren't started...

Merry Christmas to you and your family as well.  :)
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: robert shrives on December 26, 2018, 09:55:11 AM
Happy Christmas  and here to slightly warm fingers !
Lucky collection of shinny etches  have fun with them - I too have a large collection of unopened and worse part finished - getting a few out today.

Choc orange always good with a hot choc drink..

Robert
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: Ali Smith on December 26, 2018, 10:23:03 AM
Ali's Chocolate Orange: 2 measures brandy, 1 measure chocolate liqueur (Thornton's or Bailey's), 1.5 measures Cointreau, 2 measures cream. Stir and serve over ice, preferably in a glass. Don't have too many.
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: joe cassidy on December 26, 2018, 06:24:40 PM
Thanks to my wonderfully understanding and tolerant girlfriend, I got these as my press's this morning!  :D
I am very lucky!  :claphappy:

Does she have a sister ? :)

Best regards,


Joe (footloose and fancy free)
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: Stevie DC on December 26, 2018, 10:55:27 PM
Thanks to my wonderfully understanding and tolerant girlfriend, I got these as my press's this morning!  :D
I am very lucky!  :claphappy:

Does she have a sister ? :)

Best regards,


Joe (footloose and fancy free)

Two, both spoken for I'm afraid - and I got the best one anyway!  :D
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: Stevie DC on December 31, 2018, 10:20:16 PM
My last build of 2018...

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/72/213-311218221818.jpeg)

Happy New Year everyone!   :D
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: R Marshall on January 01, 2019, 04:23:11 PM
And to you, Steve.
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: Stevie DC on January 01, 2019, 07:25:22 PM
And to you, Steve.

Thanks Roy.

Right the first kit building of 2019 have been done today with these.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/72/213-010119191747.jpeg)

The other wagon from the LMS van twin pack and a Parkside LNER coal wagon body. Both of these will end up with 2mm Association etched chassis as I'm not keen on the old Peco 10' wheelbase chassis (too clunky) and I've never managed to make a Parkside chassis run to my satisfaction.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/72/213-010119191840.jpeg)

Two NGS Midland vans (kit 3, I think). These are mounted temporarily on the Peco 10' chassis while I have a look through the 2mm catalog for something that might serve as a replacement. I've still got one more of these to build and, if I find a better etched chassis, three more to try and prise the Peco chassis off the bottom of.

All built with a basic toolkit as I'm over at my better half's at the moment. Soldering etches will have to wait at least a few more days...

Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: Stevie DC on January 02, 2019, 04:17:04 PM
Briefly continuing with wagon building today and I finally built one of the etched chassis kits I was given at Christmas.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/72/213-020119161506.jpeg)

This is an LNER 9' wheelbase fitted chassis from the 2mm Association paired with an LNER 'standard' six plank wagon body from the same source.
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: Roy L S on February 02, 2019, 09:03:28 PM
Just a quick wake up of this thread relating to Atso's Pigeon vans.

A year ago today Dawn and I moved house and just prior to that all my unmade kits found their way into a box and that into a plastic crate. Last weekend when trying to sort out my modelling room to take a layout down to make more room to work on my new one, I rediscovered said crate and the box. Of course I had to have a delve, and alongside a mixture including a Fleetline breakdown crane kit and a Pug and Sentinel, I rediscovered my Pigeon Van kits. I decided to have a go at one of them as a small evening project. So over the week, in half hour stints per evening I gradually worked on it, pic below.

It isn't finished yet, still needs couplings and glazing, but even now I think it looks rather nice. The great thing is that the kit is easily within the capabilities of a complete beginner, and a model no RTR manufacturer would be likely to go near to boot.

The kits were resin cast and came with buffers and couplings, all sold out, but I think this model is available on Shapeways...

Roy


(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/73/242-020219210113.jpeg)
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: twinklekev on February 03, 2019, 03:36:43 PM
Hi Atso,

Love the kits. I have a couple of questions for you if you can spare the time?

1) Is you layout N Gauge or 2mmFS?
2) If its N Gauge what wheels do you use with the 2mmFS chassis kits?

I seriously thinking about joining the 2mmFS brigade to get access to a wider spectrum of kits for my chosen era so any help / advise would be much appreciated.

Cheers,

Twinklekev.
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: Dr Al on February 03, 2019, 06:54:39 PM
and a Pug and Sentinel

A pug? Interesting - who made that kit?

Cheers,
Alan
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: thebrighton on February 03, 2019, 08:34:19 PM
A pug? Interesting - who made that kit?
https://www.shapeways.com/product/XBVLEEEEZ/n-gauge-l-y-railway-class-21-quot-pug-quot-0-4-0?optionId=57217841&li=marketplace (https://www.shapeways.com/product/XBVLEEEEZ/n-gauge-l-y-railway-class-21-quot-pug-quot-0-4-0?optionId=57217841&li=marketplace)
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: Roy L S on February 03, 2019, 08:37:09 PM
and a Pug and Sentinel

A pug? Interesting - who made that kit?

Cheers,
Alan


Hi Alan


Bought it from Shapeways: -

https://www.shapeways.com/product/XBVLEEEEZ/n-gauge-l-y-railway-class-21-quot-pug-quot-0-4-0?optionId=57217841&li=marketplace (https://www.shapeways.com/product/XBVLEEEEZ/n-gauge-l-y-railway-class-21-quot-pug-quot-0-4-0?optionId=57217841&li=marketplace)

It uses a TU-Koppel-A chassis which you can get from Plaza Japan. I plan to chip mine when I get round to actually getting on with it and will add a "runner" wagon for pickup.

Regards

Roy
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: Hailstone on February 04, 2019, 12:25:47 AM
I just had to have one of these when they first came out on shapeways, here it is

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/43/1193-150916013503.jpeg)

fettling the body for painting was good practice for when I came to build the Trojans

Regards,

Alex

Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: Stevie DC on February 04, 2019, 10:50:24 AM
Hi Atso,

Love the kits. I have a couple of questions for you if you can spare the time?

1) Is you layout N Gauge or 2mmFS?
2) If its N Gauge what wheels do you use with the 2mmFS chassis kits?

I seriously thinking about joining the 2mmFS brigade to get access to a wider spectrum of kits for my chosen era so any help / advise would be much appreciated.

Cheers,

Twinklekev.

Hi Twinklekev,

My stock is built to N gauge standards (the layout is being built!). The 2mm Association offers coach and disc wagon wheels turned to N gauge standards to fit their kits. In addition, they also offer a conversion axle which will take Farish spoke and disc wagon wheels. I've seen it stated on here that the etched kits can be assembled using super glue. I personally wouldn't recommend this for a moving item as details will be knocked off should they catch anything and I always solder the etched chassis kits together. Gluing etches together is generally OK for static items that are not going to be handled on a regular basis though.

What era are you modelling?
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: twinklekev on February 04, 2019, 04:18:26 PM
Hi Atso,

I model 1930's GWR, yes I know, stop groaning.

Regards,

Twinklekev.
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: Stevie DC on February 05, 2019, 04:36:23 PM
I model 1930's GWR, yes I know, stop groaning.

Despite the banter that goes on on this thread, there is nothing wrong with the GWR, LMS or Southern in my view. I would suggest that you tackle some of the 2mm Association's chassis kits before tackling anything more complicated. If the GWR Toad kits (I assume that these are of interest to you) are anything like the LNER Toad E etches, you'll be better off with some experience under you belt first. There wasn't anything wrong with the Toad E etches, just a lot of small parts which require some experience to soldered together.
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: twinklekev on February 05, 2019, 04:42:30 PM
I was thinking more along the lines of the LMS cattle wagons. Plastic body, etched chassis; that I could just about handle without burning my fingers  :D I think these would look better than the generic Peco / Farish offerings as they are more prototypical and, given the era, the size difference shouldn't matter that much either.

Twinklekev.
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: Stevie DC on February 05, 2019, 04:45:42 PM
Ok, following a period of feeling very low and lack of any mojo to do any modelling, I broke out the soldering iron today and made a start on this.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/73/213-050219163214.jpeg)

It is an ex-GCR bogie fish van designed by a Rod Neep and from the tarnish (and hand drawn artwork), I'm guessing it is quite old. I'm pretty certain that the etches for this were shot down from a larger scale as things don't quite fit as intended and I've had to do a bit of modification to get everything to fit. While I think I've broken the back on this one, it'll be a little while before any more progress is made as I need to purchase a wagon bogie stretcher etch to make a viable bogie. As designed, the etched bogies are too narrow to fit 2mm Association axles so I'll be cutting off the side frames and fitting them to the Association's stretcher - luckily both have a 5'6 wheelbase. It is a nice distinct vehicle which will be at home at the head of my, slowly expanding fish train.

As part of a late Christmas present (as the Ultima LNER TPO kit is currently unavailable), these dropped through the letterbox this morning.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/73/213-050219163242.jpeg)

Four Worsley Works 51' coach scratch aids. These are not complete kits but between the 2mm Association, Ultima and the 3D printer, I'm sure I can source or make the missing bits. These will be my first attempts at building etched coaches and hopefully good experience in advance of tackling the Worsley Silver Jubilee coaches at some point in the future!
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: Stevie DC on February 05, 2019, 04:48:59 PM
I was thinking more along the lines of the LMS cattle wagons. Plastic body, etched chassis; that I could just about handle without burning my fingers  :D I think these would look better than the generic Peco / Farish offerings as they are more prototypical and, given the era, the size difference shouldn't matter that much either.

Twinklekev.

The difference in scale is usually unnoticeable - just don't put a 2mm scale model next to the N gauge version of the same prototype!

I've been (very slowly) building some of the GER cattle vans which, like the LMS ones, are a plastic body on an etched chassis. I've not found any problems with these but you'll need to source your own roof. I've found BH Enterprises does a nice etched coach roof which half etched lines in the back to help forming the curve. You'll need to cut them to length (and possibly width) but they're a very useful product!
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: martyn on February 05, 2019, 06:26:12 PM
Steve;

good to see you in action again, with as usual, excellent results so far.

Rod Neep was active around 30 years ago-he was one of the first designers of etched compensated chassis for 4mm, IIRC. He may have done chassis for, amongst others, the N2 and 14xx, again, IIRC. Was his firm Perseverance? I'd have to look it up. A lot of his work and products featured in the earliest Model Railway Journals, along with the likes of Ian Rice.

BRG

martyn
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: thebrighton on February 05, 2019, 08:09:04 PM
Hi Steve,
Spooky that your about to build those 51' Gresleys from Worsley Works. I built them well over 10 years ago and last month decided they could do with rebuilding and losing their crimson and cream in favour of teak. Initially it was just to be a repaint but, boy, was my soldering bad when I built them! Building an etched kit is a lot easier than dismantling one.
They run on NGS bogies and I was lucky enough to pick up a pile of 61' Ultima roofs many years ago which just needed shortening.
Painting is just about finished so just glazing and grab handles to go.
Glad to see you back :)
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: Newportnobby on February 05, 2019, 09:35:35 PM
What I always like about Steve's posts is he doesn't do 'run of the mill' stuff and I see some fascinating rolling stock. Nice one, Steve.
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: Train Waiting on February 06, 2019, 09:27:59 AM
It's really great to see you back in action Steve; both modelling and posting.

I know you enjoy the Southern Area, so here's a picture for you:

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/73/6222-060219092435.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=73883)
[Sometime in the mid-'thirties, Ivatt 'Q2' 0-8-0 No. 3454 chuffs gently past Poppingham station with an Up goods train.]

What I always like about Steve's posts is he doesn't do 'run of the mill' stuff and I see some fascinating rolling stock. Nice one, Steve.

Seconded!

With all good wishes.

John
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: Stevie DC on February 06, 2019, 09:59:35 AM
good to see you in action again, with as usual, excellent results so far.

Rod Neep was active around 30 years ago-he was one of the first designers of etched compensated chassis for 4mm, IIRC. He may have done chassis for, amongst others, the N2 and 14xx, again, IIRC. Was his firm Perseverance? I'd have to look it up. A lot of his work and products featured in the earliest Model Railway Journals, along with the likes of Ian Rice.

Thanks Martyn.

That makes a lot of sense and kinda works with my hazy childhood memories of Puffers model shop in Kenton. I tried to build a Perseverance J50 chassis as a child (can't have been much older than ten) and made a right mess of it! If only I knew then what I know now!
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: Stevie DC on February 06, 2019, 10:03:39 AM
Spooky that your about to build those 51' Gresleys from Worsley Works. I built them well over 10 years ago and last month decided they could do with rebuilding and losing their crimson and cream in favour of teak. Initially it was just to be a repaint but, boy, was my soldering bad when I built them! Building an etched kit is a lot easier than dismantling one.
They run on NGS bogies and I was lucky enough to pick up a pile of 61' Ultima roofs many years ago which just needed shortening.
Painting is just about finished so just glazing and grab handles to go.
Glad to see you back :)

Thanks Gareth. Interesting to read that you're in the process of rebuilding you 51 footers and you've answer a question I had about when to fit the grab rails and door handles - I assume that you'll be gluing these in place.

Mine will run on 2mm Association etched bogies as I think that they make up into nice models and are much narrower than most plastic versions. They also conveniently come with the foot boards which makes life easier.

Are you rebuilding yours as a single unit or can they be broken down into sub-assemblies? If so, how have you arranged this?

Many thanks
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: Stevie DC on February 06, 2019, 10:13:47 AM
What I always like about Steve's posts is he doesn't do 'run of the mill' stuff and I see some fascinating rolling stock. Nice one, Steve.

Thanks Mick.

On of the appeals of modelling the 1930's period to me is the massive variety of stock that could be seen. A lot of the pre-grouping stock was still in service (especially on the impoverish LNER!) and ancient coaches could find themselves marshaled next to much more modern stock. I hope it will make rakes of wagons and coaches more interesting to watch.
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: Newportnobby on February 06, 2019, 10:16:42 AM
It's one of the endearing traits of parcels rakes, Steve. Any old thing could be flung into service.....and was! I'm happy to run any 20th century stock in my transition era parcels trains.
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: Stevie DC on February 06, 2019, 10:18:45 AM
It's really great to see you back in action Steve; both modelling and posting.

I know you enjoy the Southern Area, so here's a picture for you:

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/73/6222-060219092435.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=73883)
[Sometime in the mid-'thirties, Ivatt 'Q2' 0-8-0 No. 3454 chuffs gently past Poppingham station with an Up goods train.]


Thank you ever so much John.

Regarding your lovely (and thoughtful) picture, it must have been taken prior to February 1934 as that is when 3454 was withdrawn from service and scrapped.

The Q2 is a lovely locomotive and is the only LNER heavy freight locomotive currently available. How lovely would it be to have a Gresley O1 or O2 or even a Robinson O4!
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: Stevie DC on February 06, 2019, 10:23:43 AM
It's one of the endearing traits of parcels rakes, Steve. Any old thing could be flung into service.....and was! I'm happy to run any 20th century stock in my transition era parcels trains.

Not just parcel rakes but normal passenger and even express services as well Mick. Have a look at the roof profiles in the rake in the link below; a right old mish-mash:

https://mikemorant.smugmug.com/Trains-Railways-British-Isles/LNER-and-BRE-and-BRNE/LNER-pre-grouping-locomotives/GNR-locomotives/i-zwwJj8m

Just as a side line, 4436 will eventually form part of my Atlantic fleet - because it was one of the few that retained Ramsbottom safety valves instead of getting the Ross-Pop type. Again, something a bit different to model.
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: thebrighton on February 06, 2019, 01:02:22 PM
Thanks Gareth. Interesting to read that you're in the process of rebuilding you 51 footers and you've answer a question I had about when to fit the grab rails and door handles - I assume that you'll be gluing these in place.

Are you rebuilding yours as a single unit or can they be broken down into sub-assemblies? If so, how have you arranged this?
Teach me to look at the forum on my phone with it's tiny photos, mine are the 51' corridor ones from Worsley Works. I can see yours aren't now I'm on the laptop! Sorry
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: Newportnobby on February 06, 2019, 04:15:23 PM

Just as a side line, 4436 will eventually form part of my Atlantic fleet - because it was one of the few that retained Ramsbottom safety valves instead of getting the Ross-Pop type. Again, something a bit different to model.

It never fails to amaze me you and a few others have such in-depth knowledge (shakes head in wonder emoji)
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: Stevie DC on February 06, 2019, 10:51:23 PM
Teach me to look at the forum on my phone with it's tiny photos, mine are the 51' corridor ones from Worsley Works. I can see yours aren't now I'm on the laptop! Sorry

Hi Gareth,

Even so, if you have any pictures of how you've built these, it would be most appreciated by me.
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: Stevie DC on February 06, 2019, 11:01:39 PM
It never fails to amaze me you and a few others have such in-depth knowledge (shakes head in wonder emoji)

I wouldn't say I've got an in-depth knowledge really Mick. It is more of a case of deciding roughly what I want and researching what the suitable options are.

In the case of the C1s 4454 (the one currently being built), it was a must have due to it being one of two C1s that deputised for failed A4s on the Silver Jubilee. This was a Doncaster based locomotive so the rest really need to be representative of more locally based locomotives (I.e. Kings Cross and Hitchin). However to make life a little more interesting, I would like each of the remainder to be visually different. There are differences in the safety valves, location of the works plates, missing oil boxes on the splashers, lubricators and at least two basic varieties of tender as well as slight differences to the smoke box (depending on the type of valves fitted) that could be modelled - all within a fairly 'standard' class of locomotive.
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: thebrighton on February 07, 2019, 10:13:41 AM
Even so, if you have any pictures of how you've built these, it would be most appreciated by me.
Sorry, I didn't take any photos but I built them the same way as other Worsley Works coaches (at least 20 now).
First off after removing the floor I fold up the sides that the etched sides are to be attached to then fold up the inner ends and solder them on to the floor then add the outer ends. There are no guides so when doing this ensure the ends are the same distance apart as the etched sides are in length. Guess how I learnt this!
Tin the etched sides and folded up inner and sweat them together. Depending how near to the end a window is it can be quite tricky to avoid too much solder that would stop glazing fitting snuggly.
The truss rodding is the weak spot and I vary from adding the solebars first or bending the trusses down. Due to the trusses being part of the floor they do leave large holes which causes a fair bit of flex so I solder scrap brass to the floor to hold it all rigid. The trusses have a habit of distorting which could be because of the flex in the floor. It is easier to remove them and solder them in place.
That's the end of the etch so the rest is up to you :)
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: Newportnobby on February 07, 2019, 10:16:23 AM
@Atso (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=213)
Maybe it's more pertinent my knowledge of the parts making up a steam loco (and the differences between them) is severely lacking then, Steve :dunce: :-[
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: Stevie DC on February 07, 2019, 04:52:52 PM
@Atso (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=213)
Maybe it's more pertinent my knowledge of the parts making up a steam loco (and the differences between them) is severely lacking then, Steve :dunce: :-[

I wouldn't say that at all Mick. I honestly didn't know any of this before I started researching the class and designing it.
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: martyn on February 07, 2019, 05:15:02 PM
Hi Mick;

I would also say that my knowledge of locos, and railway operation, has been picked up over many years by reading about railways, observing what goes on, and studying photos of them.  It is perhaps unfortunate in a way for those of us who model steam or early diesel era that books concerning this time are probably slowly declining; I'm thinking of the likes of the RCTS History of LNER locos, the first volume of which I bought when I was at school around 1974; and albums by such people as Dr Ian Allen who published a number of books when he was alive, but I've seen no new ones since his death-though I might have missed any. I've posted some replies to questions on this Forum where the relevant information was in books probably long out of print, but are on my bookcase.

I have to admit that my interest in the 'real' railway declined quickly after Sectorisation and then Privatisation; no real reason, but I concentrated more on modelling (and a lesser extent, preservation) about the time Sectorisation started. But I still have interest in how the 'real' railway runs and operates.

It is fortunate that places such as this Forum exist and that many questions can be answered by some-one who has got the information available.

Martyn
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: Stevie DC on February 07, 2019, 06:50:12 PM
Hi Mick;

I would also say that my knowledge of locos, and railway operation, has been picked up over many years by reading about railways, observing what goes on, and studying photos of them.  It is perhaps unfortunate in a way for those of us who model steam or early diesel era that books concerning this time are probably slowly declining; I'm thinking of the likes of the RCTS History of LNER locos, the first volume of which I bought when I was at school around 1974; and albums by such people as Dr Ian Allen who published a number of books when he was alive, but I've seen no new ones since his death-though I might have missed any. I've posted some replies to questions on this Forum where the relevant information was in books probably long out of print, but are on my bookcase.

I have to admit that my interest in the 'real' railway declined quickly after Sectorisation and then Privatisation; no real reason, but I concentrated more on modelling (and a lesser extent, preservation) about the time Sectorisation started. But I still have interest in how the 'real' railway runs and operates.

It is fortunate that places such as this Forum exist and that many questions can be answered by some-one who has got the information available.

Martyn

Yes, exactly Martyn. Despite new publications being very much in decline, the second hand trade is doing well and my main source for reference materials. I purchased my first volume of the RCTS LNER loco series back in 2006 when I came across the whole set in a local bookshop. I arranged with them to purchase a handful of volumes a month if they'd put the set aside for me. Sadly, the shop closed before I could purchase them all and it was until 2017 that I finally sourced the last volume to complete my set.

Another great source for LNER locomotives is the Yeadon's series of books. I've only got half a dozen volumes so far (I think there are 50 odd!) but they are great references for shed allocations, etc. Then you've got Tatlow's wagon volumes, Camplings and Harris's works on coaches, Ian Allen's three(?) LNER albums, The Big Four in Colour and countless other works. Not to mention the various societies and study the history of the railways and, of course, Isinglass drawings!

I wouldn't say I'm massively knowledgeable on things but I can often get my hands on suitable reference material. I've recently found out that some of the LNER's working timetables and stock formation lists still exist so that'll be the next big learning curve for suitable formations to run on Hadley Wood.

This might be much depth than others may wish to study but for me, the 'why' is often more important than the 'what'. That isn't to say I'm 100% set on prototypical operations, I have my 'funny trains' that I'd like to run and most of my RTR PO fleet aren't suitable companies for the New England to London route (but they're so nicely printed!).
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: Stevie DC on February 07, 2019, 06:53:58 PM
Even so, if you have any pictures of how you've built these, it would be most appreciated by me.
Sorry, I didn't take any photos but I built them the same way as other Worsley Works coaches (at least 20 now).
First off after removing the floor I fold up the sides that the etched sides are to be attached to then fold up the inner ends and solder them on to the floor then add the outer ends. There are no guides so when doing this ensure the ends are the same distance apart as the etched sides are in length. Guess how I learnt this!
Tin the etched sides and folded up inner and sweat them together. Depending how near to the end a window is it can be quite tricky to avoid too much solder that would stop glazing fitting snuggly.
The truss rodding is the weak spot and I vary from adding the solebars first or bending the trusses down. Due to the trusses being part of the floor they do leave large holes which causes a fair bit of flex so I solder scrap brass to the floor to hold it all rigid. The trusses have a habit of distorting which could be because of the flex in the floor. It is easier to remove them and solder them in place.
That's the end of the etch so the rest is up to you :)

Thanks Gareth. I've exhausted the items on the first etch today and found a couple of the issues you describe. Mine didn't come with trusses surprisingly - I thought it would've been easy to add them as part of the floor etch. The sides are very flimsy so I think I'll either take them apart and make up some kind of former (like the Ultima Coaches) or remove the 'wings' from the floor pan and solder strengthening pieces onto the inside of the body; I'm undecided at the moment.
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: Stevie DC on February 14, 2019, 06:55:43 PM
While I've been thinking of a better way to assemble the Worsley etches, my attention has been turned to some other types of coaches.

While flicking through the book 'LNER Passenger Trains and Formations', I came across some basic information about the 2.04pm Cambridge to King's Cross express. While the information regarding the coaches in the rake was somewhat vague, I did manage to work out that one of the coaches was an ancient Howlden Lavatory Composite and so I set to work designing the basics of one in CAD. Below is the resulting test print.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/74/213-140219184117.jpeg)

While I was designing this, I was fortunate that my efforts had come to the attention of John Smart (co-author of 'The Big Four in Colour'). Some correspondence revealed that he had a copy of the relevant page of the 1935 Carriage Working book and from this identified the other coaches in the formation (even some of the running numbers!). Here is the next coach to be designed for the rake.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/74/213-140219184214.jpeg)

While a Gresley coach, it is still of ex-GN origin. It is a D183 Lavatory Composite Brake of which I will need two for the rake.

The remaining three coaches are also ex-GN designs but are corridor types. Two are later Gresley bow roof vehicles but the last in another ancient design - complete with a clerestory roof! I need to obtain the relevant drawings from Isinglass Models before I can start work on those - the Howlden and D183 are both covered in Nick Campling's book 'Historic Carriage Drawings - Volume One, LNER and Constituents.

This is my first attempt to model a historically accurate formation of stock. It has been really fascinating to learn about it.
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: exmouthcraig on February 14, 2019, 07:21:19 PM
  :claphappy:

There is nothing better then being able to piece together pictures to ensure every detail is correct to enable something to be made.

In my quest for prototypically correct freight in my location and time frame my bookshelf has grown from 3 books to 26 since Christmas, 95% are second hand and at least 15years old some back to the early 80s and as old as me, all picked up for a few quid but the information included is priceless.

I wish I had your ability Steve to turn the handful of pictures for each item into a proper CAD and test print. That really would be phenomenal. Mine is all scrappy drawings, crude measurements guessed at times, plastruct, plasticard and a bit of brass thrown in to make it seem like im trying to be accurate.

Your ability in our hobby really is fantastic, just a crime your not a SR Modeller!! :claphappy:
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: Stevie DC on February 15, 2019, 10:13:51 AM
  :claphappy:

There is nothing better then being able to piece together pictures to ensure every detail is correct to enable something to be made.

In my quest for prototypically correct freight in my location and time frame my bookshelf has grown from 3 books to 26 since Christmas, 95% are second hand and at least 15years old some back to the early 80s and as old as me, all picked up for a few quid but the information included is priceless.

I wish I had your ability Steve to turn the handful of pictures for each item into a proper CAD and test print. That really would be phenomenal. Mine is all scrappy drawings, crude measurements guessed at times, plastruct, plasticard and a bit of brass thrown in to make it seem like im trying to be accurate.

Your ability in our hobby really is fantastic, just a crime your not a SR Modeller!! :claphappy:

Thanks Craig,

Actually, I don't have a picture of this formation unfortunately. All of my information comes from books and historical documents that have been unearthed. A post 1937 version of this train has been (partly) photographed. Unfortunately by that point in time it had been 'upgraded' to ex-GN Gresley corridor stock with bow ends and roof and, as such, lost its individuality.

I think that the LNER is blessed with an awful lot of information and scale drawings (where possible crossed referenced against photos) - the discovered of the carriage working reference is a added bonus. I suspect that, with enough research, the same would be found to be true of the other companies comprising the 'big four'.

While having taken the time to learn CAD is a benefit, I still like to build kits (and occasionally scratch-build) and to be honest, if a decent kit exists of a prototype, it is 99% of the time quicker and easier to build that rather than start a CAD from scratch.

At the end of the day, it doesn't matter what method is used to make a model as long as the builder has fun doing it!  :D
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: Stevie DC on February 15, 2019, 10:20:01 AM
The D183 coach body got test printed last night. Orientated diagonally across the build plate, it barely fitted into the footprint of the machine! On top of it taking up all of the usable build space, the print took almost ten hours to finish! I need two of these for the 2.04pm and I've found another two formations that I would like to model that had one of these in each (as it gets more out of the CAD!).

Anyway, here is the test print as it came off the printer.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/74/213-150219101429.jpeg)

I've got a couple of issues with the way I supported it but I'm reasonably convinced that I should be able to get an acceptable result with the final print.

I think it is a rather distinctive vehicle and shows the slow transformation of GN designs after Gresley took over as the GN's C&W Works Superintendent.
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: Newportnobby on February 15, 2019, 10:34:42 AM
I know absolutely nothing about 3D printing but have the brain cells required to know the item does need supporting in its creation (it can't just float in mid-air) but do they need that much? :goggleeyes:
Is the material at all recycleable as it looks like there's a bonus of a sheep brush in production!

On a separate note it's good to see the need for 'nature's calls' was well catered for in those days. I lost count of the number of cross legged rail journeys I spent in 2 car DMUs clattering mainly between Bletchley and either Oxford or Sandy.
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: Stevie DC on February 15, 2019, 11:06:38 AM
I know absolutely nothing about 3D printing but have the brain cells required to know the item does need supporting in its creation (it can't just float in mid-air) but do they need that much? :goggleeyes:
Is the material at all recycleable as it looks like there's a bonus of a sheep brush in production!

On a separate note it's good to see the need for 'nature's calls' was well catered for in those days. I lost count of the number of cross legged rail journeys I spent in 2 car DMUs clattering mainly between Bletchley and either Oxford or Sandy.

Sadly, yes they do need supporting and this one probably needs one or two more. The problem is that the resin in its 'green' state has a tendency to sag which, as the model is printed upside down, leads to it sagging into the model, not away from it. The supports are scrap but its less wastage then when I was playing around with resin casting. A more sophisticated machine, such as the Form 2 could possibly get away with fewer supports but for an outlay of seven times more and the laser isn't capable of doing justice to the beading (I had a firm do several test prints of a coach model using different settings/orientations for me last year to see if it was possible).

The GNR and LNER seemed to be quite good at ensuring every passenger had access to a toilet on their principle and secondary expresses. Sadly the same couldn't always be said of the all station stoppers. The worst were the holiday trains where the quad sets could be employed to journeys up to six hours long! Imagine sitting in one of those cramped compartments, on wooden seats without access to a toilet for six hours!  :goggleeyes: :goggleeyes:
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: Newportnobby on February 15, 2019, 11:18:54 AM
Ta muchly, Steve. I didn't know the models were formed upside down even :dunce:

As for a 6 hour ride on a wooden seat with no facilities?
 :no: :-[
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: Stevie DC on February 15, 2019, 05:42:28 PM
Ta muchly, Steve. I didn't know the models were formed upside down even :dunce:

As for a 6 hour ride on a wooden seat with no facilities?
 :no: :-[

I didn't know that resin prints were printed upside down until I got my first machine either Mick. The printer works by suspending a build plate over a vat of resin. As each layer is cured, the build plate moves up by a set amount (0.02mm in my case) and the next layer is formed. There are resin printers work by drawing the build plate down into the vat (which is actually preferable) but at the moment these cost some serious money!

A couple of quick snaps of the two coaches in primer. Apologies for the poor quality, the light was fading too fast!

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/74/213-150219174129.jpeg)

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/74/213-150219174159.jpeg)
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: Newportnobby on February 15, 2019, 09:02:03 PM
My mind still reels at the detail possible in 3D and the accuracy. Having recently bought a diesel brake tender from Shapeways it states the bogie pins required are 1Ĺmm diameter. The first pins I tried wouldn't fit, and the second set were too loose. Out came my digital calipers and the pins came out at 1.67mm and 1.47mm respectively, so the hole must be pretty accurate!
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: Stevie DC on February 16, 2019, 07:45:10 AM
My mind still reels at the detail possible in 3D and the accuracy. Having recently bought a diesel brake tender from Shapeways it states the bogie pins required are 1Ĺmm diameter. The first pins I tried wouldn't fit, and the second set were too loose. Out came my digital calipers and the pins came out at 1.67mm and 1.47mm respectively, so the hole must be pretty accurate!

The accuracy of round holes depends on the type of machine being used. This is where Shapeways's Smooth/Smoothest detail plastics really score as they are dead right every time. On my printer, I've had to do some experimenting to get bits like holes the right size on the physical models.

In other news, I've found at photograph last night of a formation with the Howlden 1st/3rd articulated set (see several pages back) in it! The remainder of the formation can be produced using the Howlden Lavatory Composite, a Minitrix Gresley Third and a Minitrix Composite Brake - The Minitrix models represent the pre-1934(ish) designs with turnbuckle truss rods while the Dapol Gresleys are of the post-1934(ish) designs with angle iron ones (the buffers are different too!). Interestingly, once again the non-corridor Howlden Lav/Comp is marshaled between two corridor coaches. That doesn't make any logical sense to me but it does make for an interesting roof line along the rake!

I just need to finish the Artic's chassis now!  :bounce:
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: Stevie DC on February 22, 2019, 06:21:46 PM
I've managed to get a bit of time today to start work on the next coach in the 2.04pm Cambridge - KX express set.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/74/213-220219181611.jpeg)

This is an ex-GNR Gresley Diagram 248D full third and I think shows nicely some of the more traditional GNR features as well as the Gresley features that would define the later LNER built carriages. Interestingly, the coach is only 54' over the end vestibules compared to the 61'6" of the bulk of the LNER's built stock.

The domed roof and ends took a bit of time to figure out how to render (and even more time to convince the CAD program to actually render them!) but I think the result was worth the effort. I've only done the basic detailing to this side so far but might get a little time tomorrow morning to start on the other side.
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: Dr Al on February 22, 2019, 06:50:36 PM
Interested to see what you do with articulated stock, in particular the articulation and chassis.

I have parts to make up a quad-art set - do you have any good details, info, pictures or otherwise on these sets in your library of LNER material per chance?

Cheers,
Alan
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: Stevie DC on February 22, 2019, 07:05:24 PM
Interested to see what you do with articulated stock, in particular the articulation and chassis.

I have parts to make up a quad-art set - do you have any good details, info, pictures or otherwise on these sets in your library of LNER material per chance?

Cheers,
Alan

I'll ping you a PM shortly.
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: Stevie DC on February 23, 2019, 10:10:51 AM
Another three hours or so on the CAD has seen most of the basic detail on the ex-GNR D. 248D body finished. I've still got to do the gangways but I'm undecided whether I'm going to print these or make them up out of thin paper. Anyway, here is the coach, now awaiting the design of its under frame...

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/74/213-230219100859.jpeg)
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: Garyf on February 23, 2019, 10:21:01 AM

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/74/6824-230219102017.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=74364)
Here's how it looks on the full size.

Gary
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: Stevie DC on February 23, 2019, 11:09:14 AM

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/74/6824-230219102017.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=74364)
Here's how it looks on the full size.

Gary

Excellent photo, thanks Gary!  :D
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: Stevie DC on September 18, 2019, 08:22:22 PM
Needing a break from designing the N1's chassis (see my loco thread), I looked about for a suitable unfinished project to do a bit more on. I found a Worsley Works 51' Third that I'd started building just after Christmas and decided to do a bit more on it. I've more or less sorted out the fact that the floorpan is slightly longer than the body (probably my fault). I've also soldered the body and frames together as well as adding some strengtheners from 0.25mm nickel silver sheet. My plan is to 3D print the roof and attach this using magnets. I'll be sourcing some bogies from the 2mm Association and truss bars from Ultima Models. Battery boxes will be 3D printed and the partitions will likely be made out of plastic to keep the weight down.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/81/213-180919195803.jpeg)
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: Stevie DC on September 19, 2019, 08:21:49 PM
The full third had a couple of bearings soldered onto the underside of the floorpan today. The holes were then opened up from 1.5mm to 1.6mm and tapped to accept M2 screws. I found a couple of bogies (2mm Association for a full brake) as temporary substitutes for the ones on order and added these to get a feel for how the coach will eventually look.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/81/213-190919201528-817241311.jpeg)

It needed a couple of packing washers to bring the ride height to roughly the same height as a Dapol Gresley.

Encouraged by this, I also made a light start on one of the brake thirds.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/81/213-190919201528-817242314.jpeg)
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: Stevie DC on September 20, 2019, 08:10:50 PM
The brake third scratch aid got assembled today.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/81/213-200919200744.jpeg)

There are a couple of minor wobbles, which are annoying. I'll waft the soldering iron over them tomorrow to remedy these.
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: martyn on September 21, 2019, 09:33:26 AM
Lovely work again, Steve.

Sorry if I've missed it, but what has become of your LNER non-corridor prints, please?

martyn
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: Stevie DC on September 21, 2019, 01:20:52 PM
Lovely work again, Steve.

Sorry if I've missed it, but what has become of your LNER non-corridor prints, please?

Thanks Martyn.

Regarding the 3D printed coaches, I've been having problems with the longer ones warping over time (essentially a box with a larger open bottom). The shorter ones seem to be fine though. Attempts to print the compartment walls into the body just results in a lot of distortion. I've also yet to work out how I would bring the glazing to a prototypical(ish) depth. At a little over 13 hours to print (just the body), there are only so many times you can make adjustments and reprint before needing a break from it all.

The Worsley Works coaches were a Christmas present and I thought I'd give them a go to compare. Their construction wasn't as difficult as I'd imagined it would be and I'll be 3D printing the roof (attached with strong magnets). To be honest, I think that they look crisper than the 3D printed coaches as well.
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: Stevie DC on September 21, 2019, 01:24:21 PM
I spent a bit of time correcting the wobbles on the brake third this morning. I also decided to make up the compartments out of 0.25mm nickel silver sheet and soldered these into place to strengthen the body. While this adds a bit of weight, it really isn't much so I think I'll use this method going forward.

Here is the current state of the brake third.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/81/213-210919132201-817872094.jpeg)

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/81/213-210919132159-817721563.jpeg)
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: martyn on September 21, 2019, 01:49:33 PM
They look very much like the Kemilway 4mm ones I built many years ago, especially now you've added strengtheners and stretchers.

Once I got the body done, my personal biggest problem was trying to glaze them, especially with the glues which were available about 35 years ago...Ö.

Keep up the fine work!

martyn

Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: Stevie DC on September 21, 2019, 10:44:07 PM
They look very much like the Kemilway 4mm ones I built many years ago, especially now you've added strengtheners and stretchers.

Once I got the body done, my personal biggest problem was trying to glaze them, especially with the glues which were available about 35 years ago...Ö.

Keep up the fine work!

Thanks Martyn!  :D

Having seen some of the Kemilway 7mm kits, I can guarantee that by comparison the Worlsey Works etches are much simplified in their design and construction! I'm not sure that a Kemilway kit could be built if shot down to N gauge.
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: martyn on September 22, 2019, 09:47:48 AM
Steve;

It was difficult enough to build in 4mm, believe me!

I've built a number of Ultima/Bill Bedford non-corridors (which may have effectively been test shots from Colin when he owned Ultima; not sure) and also some of Alan's Etched Pixels/Ultima versions.

Watching how you progress with these may lead to me trying some Worley kits; I've never tried any of them before.

But, as ever, excellent work in progress.

Martyn

Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: Stevie DC on September 22, 2019, 09:50:41 AM
It was difficult enough to build in 4mm, believe me!

Having seen their kits and a build blog of a 7mm version, I really do believe you! Stunning results that are obtained though.
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: Stevie DC on September 22, 2019, 09:52:53 AM
Further to Chris Higgs (of Masterclass Models) pointing out about an issue with using a 3D printed roof on another forum, I've removed the roof profile from the center partition.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/81/213-220919095142-81824744.jpeg)

Having already soldered some strengthening pieces in place, I took a pair of etch scissors to the offending section and snipped it out. I then used a marker pen to cover the tops of the surfaces so that I could see where I was filing and filed the remains flush with the top of the coach sides.

The etches for the bogies arrived from the 2mm Association yesterday (fast service as always).

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/81/213-220919095142-818241146.jpeg)

Sorry about the out of focus photo. These look the same as the 8' versions that I have previously built and, as they went together very well, I'm really looking forward to building these.
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: Stevie DC on September 23, 2019, 09:14:17 PM
Well the first pair of 8'6 bogies got assembled today...

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/81/213-230919210912-81835719.jpeg)

...and the mounting points soldered to the underside of the brake third.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/81/213-230919210916-818731913.jpeg)
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: Stevie DC on September 24, 2019, 02:35:24 PM
I've been playing around with my first attempts at building DG couplings today. Here are the test pair.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/81/213-240919143145-818811186.jpeg)

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/81/213-240919143145-81881287.jpeg)

I need to do a little fine tuning of their placements but (surprisingly, given my usual hammer and nails approach) they work as intended.
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: Stevie DC on September 24, 2019, 08:27:47 PM
Having built up a few of the DG couplings, I thought I should test them. Please ignore the wobbly coach, that's because my finger was resting on it!



I think I need to make the steel wire a little longer to better work with the magnets, but otherwise an encouraging start.
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: Newportnobby on September 24, 2019, 08:32:13 PM
Looks very promising, Steve.
As a sidenote, being a code 55 user I just can't get used that sleeper spacing :no:
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: Stevie DC on September 24, 2019, 08:39:42 PM
Looks very promising, Steve.
As a sidenote, being a code 55 user I just can't get used that sleeper spacing :no:

Thanks Mick. Being the fiddleyard, the sleepers are set at 10mm intervals and aren't correctly spaced to save on sleepers (and solder joints!).
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: Newportnobby on September 25, 2019, 07:38:54 PM
I was aware that track is fiddle yard track but it just looks weird (a bit like the track in my Waddingtons 'Railroader' board game) ;D
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: Stevie DC on September 29, 2019, 09:16:34 AM
The first test for the 51' stock roofs got printed yesterday. It needed quite a bit of sanding to fit, which I'll take into account on the next attempt.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/82/213-290919091437.jpeg)
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: Stevie DC on September 30, 2019, 09:45:22 PM
A visit to Scale Forum in Stoke Mandeville yesterday provided me with the opportunity to buy some bits and pieces. Following Tim Watson's advice, I purchased some 4mm scale long handrail knobs to represent the queen posts for the turnbuckle underframe. The underframe is 10 thou guitar string while the buckles are bits of phosphor bronze wire, wrapped around a 0.8mm rod and then soldered before cutting off the excess wire. These were then squashed to make them oval and soldered to the guitar wire. It looks reasonably effective in reality but a bit messy in the photos. I may revisit these but will leave it a couple of days before I decide.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/82/213-300919213724-82198560.jpeg)

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/82/213-300919213725-821982485.jpeg)

The 'V' hangers are 0.6mm brass wire, bent to shape and then filed flat before drilling a 0.3mm hole (yes, I broke two drill bits!) to eventually take a wire to represent the linkage. Again crude, but doesn't look too bad in reality.
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: Stevie DC on October 08, 2019, 04:46:24 PM
It's been awhile since I last posted, but things have still be moving forward.

I discovered that the 2mm Association sells and etch for the battery boxes (not supplied on the third brake etch!), voltage regulator and "v" hangers. I also purchased some turned brass vacuum brake cylinders at the same time. This left the dynamo being the only under frame component unaccounted for. I ended up turning these, using needle files, out of 2mm brass rod in my minidrill. Once turned, I cross drilled a 1mm hole through the dynamo and soldered a piece of 1mm brass rod into place. Some cutting and filing saw the results tidied up and the 1mm rod flattened. This was then bent into shape and soldered to the under frame, along with the other components.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/82/213-081019163759-824372246.jpeg)

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/82/213-081019163800-824371209.jpeg)

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/82/213-081019163804-824391954.jpeg)

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/82/213-081019163805-824401955.jpeg)

You may have noticed that I've only fitted battery boxes to one side of each coach. Information differs as to whether this had battery boxes on both sides, but the photos available to me suggests that they didn't.

The second of the brake thirds' basic body has now been constructed, but it is lagging behind the other coaches at the moment.
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: martyn on October 09, 2019, 12:33:43 PM
Steve;

Ultima/Etched Pixels do the underframe bits and pieces as well.

Keep up the excellent work!

martyn
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: Roy L S on October 09, 2019, 01:02:02 PM
Terrific work as always Steve, I look forward to seeing the finished coaches and perhaps running them behind some suitable motive power.

Roy
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: R Marshall on October 09, 2019, 08:44:15 PM
Steve,

The Etched Pixel Thompsons have the battery boxes on one side only.

Regards,

Roy
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: Stevie DC on October 20, 2019, 07:39:31 PM
Thanks for the feedback and comments guys.

Thinking ahead to when the 51' stock is ready for painting, I've been experimenting on some slightly damaged 61' stock that was donated to me. The Dapol Gresley's were originally maroon and the Minitrix one was one of the plain tan plastic ones.

The basic method was to use oil paints (burnt umber, burnt sienna and yellow ochre) and put tiny spots in random amounts onto each panel before melding everything together using a OO brush. The first two coaches were sprayed with a base coat of Tamiya desert yellow, the third one with Humbrol natural wood and the Minitrix coach was left in its plastic state.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/83/213-201019125844-82998846.jpeg)

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/83/213-201019125919-83004643.jpeg)

These two are a little on the light side, very much as the unvarnished coach undergoing restoration at NYMR looks. I'm going to play around with tinted Tamiya varnish to try and get the richness of the colours (as was done on the real things).

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/83/213-201019125844-829982043.jpeg)

This one has turned out a little darker than I intended - again I'll play around with tinted varnish and see what happens.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/83/213-201019125920-830051971.jpeg)

The Minitrix coach is, I think, the best of the bunch. However, I'm going to have to mask up the windows before varnishing as, try as I might, I cannot get them to come out!
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: exmouthcraig on October 20, 2019, 08:01:15 PM
 :greatpicturessign:

Absolutely fantastic Steve  :claphappy:

A tip a fellow forum member gave me was to use brush applied liquid poly glue, brush a bit around the glued glazing section, it softens the plastic HOPEFULLY enough to be able to prise them out. Might be worth a whirl, masking that lot wont be much fun  :-[
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: maridunian on October 20, 2019, 09:10:22 PM
All looking very good. WRT lightness and darkness, especially with tinted varnishes, probably worth judging only in daylight?

Mike
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: Stevie DC on October 21, 2019, 08:52:20 PM
Thanks guys.

Craig, I ended up masking the windows using Humbrol Maskol, which seems to have done the job.

I've tinted the Dapol brake composite using one third Tamiya clear red and two thirds gloss clear, followed by a very light coat of thinned clear yellow.

Before:

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/83/213-201019125844-82998846.jpeg)

After:

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/83/213-211019204244-83042636.jpeg)

With the first side protected by the clear coats, I 'teaked' the other side.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/83/213-211019204248-830622101.jpeg)
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: 5944 on October 30, 2019, 02:54:31 PM
Very impressive work Steve. Can't wait to see how you tackle the fine lining on each section of beading, especially the arrow ends  ;)
Title: Re: Atso's Carriage and Wagon Works
Post by: Stevie DC on November 24, 2019, 09:41:52 PM
Very impressive work Steve. Can't wait to see how you tackle the fine lining on each section of beading, especially the arrow ends  ;)

Thanks 5944, I've lined them out using my ruling/bow pen (I didn't bother trying to represent the arrow ends), but still have to pick out the door handles and bits when I have a moment. I'll post a photo once I'm done.