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Title: GWR themed terminus and shunt layout
Post by: MrDobilina on August 14, 2016, 06:49:34 PM
Good evening everybody!
Hopefully your weekend has been great and you've had some time to -play with- operate some trains! :beers:

This is my first construction topic and is based off the post I made in layout planning.

I have some confusion at the moment with where I need insulating joins and where I need connectors. This is my first layout with points so I need some advice please!

It's going to be dc for now so I'll need to isolate certain areas so that I only have one engine moving at a time - but could have 3 or 4 present.

Sorry for the poor pictures!
(https://s4.postimg.org/6qvp7166x/image.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/6qvp7166x/)

(https://s4.postimg.org/50co5jont/image.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/50co5jont/)

(https://s4.postimg.org/ytjoe5dax/image.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/ytjoe5dax/)

(https://s4.postimg.org/eaos92zdl/image.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/eaos92zdl/)

(https://s4.postimg.org/bhvkp1z15/image.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/bhvkp1z15/)


I will add a diagram later with where I've put isolating connections so far.

edit, connections below. green is conductive, red is insulated. I have no idea if this is correct!

(https://s4.postimg.io/s7c959vn1/simplified.jpg)
Title: Re: GWR themed terminus and shunt layout
Post by: TylerB on August 14, 2016, 08:40:01 PM
Just a suggestion, but to help people posting replies to this, it might be worth uploading another diagram, with each point assigned a letter, i.e the 3 way is point 'A; the next point along is point 'B' etc.

It's easier working out what point people are referring to when they say 'point F' rather than 'the left hand point next to the two right hand points at the junction of....'  :confused1:
Title: Re: GWR themed terminus and shunt layout
Post by: MrDobilina on August 14, 2016, 09:33:49 PM
Just a suggestion, but to help people posting replies to this, it might be worth uploading another diagram, with each point assigned a letter, i.e the 3 way is point 'A; the next point along is point 'B' etc.

It's easier working out what point people are referring to when they say 'point F' rather than 'the left hand point next to the two right hand points at the junction of....'  :confused1:

As requested

(https://s4.postimg.io/5axbcv3wb/simplified.jpg)


EDIT

I believe I have spotted a mistake between B and C should be isolated completely but I've put in a conductive and an insul
Title: Re: GWR themed terminus and shunt layout
Post by: MrDobilina on August 15, 2016, 12:31:36 PM
Hey guys, :wave: trying to figure out this wiring.

Is this roughly right? The lines between track are link wires to keep power to all tracks when needed, is that a right thing to do? or should each line go to a switch and then the central bus?  I think the link between the top track and the other platform is wrong and the blue should just run back to the power from the fiddle yard entrance rather than into the other one, which I now realise is powered separately.

Am I right in thinking B and C should be slaved to each other (one moves the other must too) as well as E and F, to prevent derailment/shortcircuiting?

(https://i.imgsafe.org/1a761f38b0.png)


Here are some mock ups of how the electrical flow should work to correctly move a train about

Getting from the traverser to siding D
(https://i.imgsafe.org/1a760efe41.png)


Getting from traverser to point F (pulling into station)
(https://i.imgsafe.org/1a761c652a.png)


Using the run around to get back to the traverser
(https://i.imgsafe.org/1a7624d7f5.png)
Title: Re: GWR themed terminus and shunt layout
Post by: Newportnobby on August 15, 2016, 12:48:04 PM
For DC I'd keep it simple and so reckon you need 3 feeds and 3 pairs of IRJs (insulated rail joiners)
In this example the feeds are shown as a green 'F' and the IRJs as a red line.
Feeds at the toe of points A, C/D and F
Twin rail break IRJs at the middle rail after point A, between points B/C and between points E/F

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/42/264-150816124151.jpeg)
Title: Re: GWR themed terminus and shunt layout
Post by: MrDobilina on August 15, 2016, 12:53:12 PM
For DC I'd keep it simple and so reckon you need 3 feeds and 3 pairs of IRJs (insulated rail joiners)
In this example the feeds are shown as a green 'F' and the IRJs as a red line.
Feeds at the toe of points A, C/D and F
Twin rail break IRJs at the middle rail after point A, between points B/C and between points E/F

([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/42/264-150816124151.jpeg[/url])


Awesome thanks!
Silly question, but how do you get power to the headshunts/sidings of C, E, D and G?

Edit: I think the answer is that I change some of the insulators that I have already to conductive so that the power can flow through the point
Title: Re: GWR themed terminus and shunt layout
Post by: MrDobilina on August 15, 2016, 02:41:43 PM
I am still a little confused I think.

In this example, I've followed @newportnobby (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=264) s idea and have insulated joins just on the breaks as instructed, with the feeds 1, 2 and 3 in the positions suggested.

My query here is this:

If I try to get from the traverser, past feed 1 through point A to point D, wont  the sidings at C and G all have double negative power and at E have double positive?

(https://i.imgsafe.org/1c5d4c081c.png)

or does this make more sense:

(https://i.imgsafe.org/1d11a30b62.png)

where black is the switch for each electro frog. This is using jumpers which I think makes more sense.
Title: Re: GWR themed terminus and shunt layout
Post by: Newportnobby on August 15, 2016, 03:35:29 PM

My query here is this:

If I try to get from the traverser, past feed 1 through point A to point D, wont  the sidings at C and G all have double negative power and at E have double positive?


Because you have a a feed at the toe of point A and also at the toes of points C and D, the latter feed will provide power to the sidings. Siding E (assuming it's the one from the point E can be isolated by point B.
Not entirely sure I understand your question :confused2:
Title: Re: GWR themed terminus and shunt layout
Post by: MrDobilina on August 15, 2016, 03:53:31 PM

My query here is this:

If I try to get from the traverser, past feed 1 through point A to point D, wont  the sidings at C and G all have double negative power and at E have double positive?



Because you have a a feed at the toe of point A and also at the toes of points C and D, the latter feed will provide power to the sidings. Siding E (assuming it's the one from the point E can be isolated by point B.
Not entirely sure I understand your question :confused2:

Sorry @newportnobby (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=264) Im really not used to thinking in electronics!

My question is this. If I try to get from A - the siding at D, wont the rails then be in the following configuration, meaning that there are issues on several rails?

(https://i.imgsafe.org/1d71d4d5cf.png)
Title: Re: GWR themed terminus and shunt layout
Post by: Yet_Another on August 15, 2016, 04:18:30 PM
As long as you have the track sections isolated properly, there's nothing wrong with having both rails at the same polarity. This just means that they're both at the same voltage, so no current flows, and trains don't move. AFAIK it's still perfectly normal for power switching points to do this (I say this because it's about 30 years since I last had to think about these things, and haven't got that far with mine yet).
Title: Re: GWR themed terminus and shunt layout
Post by: MrDobilina on August 15, 2016, 04:34:17 PM
As long as you have the track sections isolated properly, there's nothing wrong with having both rails at the same polarity. This just means that they're both at the same voltage, so no current flows, and trains don't move. AFAIK it's still perfectly normal for power switching points to do this (I say this because it's about 30 years since I last had to think about these things, and haven't got that far with mine yet).


The thing I dont get is that in articles like this:
http://www.gaugemaster.com/instructions/dcc_concepts/Wiring-Pointwork-and-Special-Track-Conditions-For-DC-or-DCC-2014.pdf (http://www.gaugemaster.com/instructions/dcc_concepts/Wiring-Pointwork-and-Special-Track-Conditions-For-DC-or-DCC-2014.pdf)

and the peco how to wire booklet it says that all frogs should be isolated, meaning that id need some kind of wire connected to the either side of the point.
Title: Re: GWR themed terminus and shunt layout
Post by: Yet_Another on August 15, 2016, 05:11:23 PM
You need to be careful when reading up about DCC and N gauge. The document you link to is for OO/HO points, which are constructed differently from N gauge ones.

(Someone correct me if I'm wrong in this next bit)

The moving part of Peco N gauge points switches the power for the rails in the V part of the point (the frog). In electrofrog points, this is electrically one unit, so is either connected to the inner or outer rail at the toe of the point, and thus to prevent potential short circuits both of the ends are joined with isolators. However, for a siding with no other power feed, you don't need the isolator and can use a normal fishplate, and it will behave as described, with the rail connected to the V changing polarity as the point is changed. This is fine. If you've got any sort of power feed on that rail in the siding, though, you'll need to use an isolating joiner, to avoid a short circuit.

I'm less sure about insulfrog points. In these, there is a small bit of plastic at the point of the V which keeps each side of the V electrically isolated. I think that these rails are also switched in the same way, but are a bit more forgiving electrically (you don't get an immediate short, because it's two separate bits of metal), so the isolating joiners are not as necessary, but I believe it's still recommended practice to treat them the same as electrofrog points.

The talk of cutting rails to make them DCC compatible is not necessary for Peco N gauge points.

Hope this helps & doesn't confuse further!
Title: Re: GWR themed terminus and shunt layout
Post by: Newportnobby on August 15, 2016, 06:12:07 PM

My question is this. If I try to get from A - the siding at D, wont the rails then be in the following configuration, meaning that there are issues on several rails?

(https://i.imgsafe.org/1d71d4d5cf.png)

Provided you attach the feed and return wires to the same sides of the tracks you won't have any issues.
It's exactly the way I would wire it up and I know it would work without doing anything horrible like cutting the points. There are no modifications necessary.
I have based my information on using a double track controller with the feeds fed via switches (either Single Pole Double Throw or Double Pole Double Throw - whichever you have to hand/are easiest to source)
These switches are not absolutely necessary but just give extra options for playing :)
For instance, you could do some shunting in sidings from points C and D whilst a train arrives/departs from the station.
Title: Re: GWR themed terminus and shunt layout
Post by: Mito on August 15, 2016, 06:27:40 PM
This the bible for many people, me included.http://www.brian-lambert.co.uk/index.html (http://www.brian-lambert.co.uk/index.html)
Title: Re: GWR themed terminus and shunt layout
Post by: MrDobilina on August 15, 2016, 06:56:34 PM
Thanks guys, there was one KEY piece of information that I was missing and that was - n gauge electrofrog points switch the power when the point is being switched.

Just been playing with this in the garage and had some fun :D

Can you run more than one feed from one controller or how do you run the feeds to each area?

I only have the basic bachman back and forth controller which comes with clip on connectors.
Title: Re: GWR themed terminus and shunt layout
Post by: Mito on August 15, 2016, 10:04:01 PM
You can run as many feeds as you like from one controller, remembering to maintain polarity to the track, ie. the red cable goes to the left hand track, the black to the other, for example. Putting on/off switches in line to the sidings means that you can isolate the siding without depending on the setting of the point. The link I gave you explains better than I have.
Title: Re: GWR themed terminus and shunt layout
Post by: MrDobilina on August 16, 2016, 09:59:42 AM
You can run as many feeds as you like from one controller, remembering to maintain polarity to the track, ie. the red cable goes to the left hand track, the black to the other, for example. Putting on/off switches in line to the sidings means that you can isolate the siding without depending on the setting of the point. The link I gave you explains better than I have.


Thanks!

I'm thinking of using isolating switches one some if not all the sidings / platform for a little extra manoeuvrability.

The problem I have is that I have this controller:-
(https://hattonsimages.blob.core.windows.net/products/36-560U_20769_Qty1_1.jpg)

And both cables are red haha >.<

I could use those as the 'bus' and have a red and black come off of those to the rails, and then off of those have the isolating switches. that would work wouldn't it?


Been thinking about a way to control the points and isolators.

Came up with this concept:

(https://s4.postimg.io/pxbtggppn/control_panel.png)

Big green dots are isolating switches http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/12V-Metal-Angel-Eye-LED-Car-illuminated-Latching-Type-16mm-Push-Button-Switch-/152003307130 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/12V-Metal-Angel-Eye-LED-Car-illuminated-Latching-Type-16mm-Push-Button-Switch-/152003307130)
big blue dots are power feed switches
green arrows are dual aspect LED's http://www.maplin.co.uk/p/3mm-bi-colour-led-uf96e (http://www.maplin.co.uk/p/3mm-bi-colour-led-uf96e)
grey dots are SPDT switches http://www.maplin.co.uk/p/sub-miniature-toggle-switch-a-on-on-spdt-fh00a (http://www.maplin.co.uk/p/sub-miniature-toggle-switch-a-on-on-spdt-fh00a)

Id quite like them to look like arrows so Im considering making little boxed to go around each led with a diffuse top and reflective sides to boost the light up as much as possible.

The actual layout on the control panel would just be a couple printed pieces of paper with some backing that can be cut where needed with plexiglass on top.
Title: Re: GWR themed terminus and shunt layout
Post by: Mito on August 16, 2016, 08:53:31 PM
Firstly switches, DPDT (double pole, double throw) switches I think would be better, certainly cheaper. You can wire leds into the circuit too.

The controller, a slight problem. Is the red wire circular in section, or oval? If it's oval it's easier to separate the wires and use a choc bloc connector. After that you can use any colours you like for the wiring. The other way is to use a connector rail plug in the red wire from the controller and solder wires to that like a bus bar.
At the beginning, keep it simple. You can always up grade later.
Title: Re: GWR themed terminus and shunt layout
Post by: MrDobilina on August 16, 2016, 10:41:45 PM
Firstly switches, DPDT (double pole, double throw) switches I think would be better, certainly cheaper. You can wire leds into the circuit too.

The controller, a slight problem. Is the red wire circular in section, or oval? If it's oval it's easier to separate the wires and use a choc bloc connector. After that you can use any colours you like for the wiring. The other way is to use a connector rail plug in the red wire from the controller and solder wires to that like a bus bar.
At the beginning, keep it simple. You can always up grade later.


Why dpdt? From what I understand that will switch two things at once? Won't that be detrimental?

I'm not sure what you mean by oval wire?

Both ends of the red attach to the rails by clip on connectors. The two don't ever touch.
Title: Re: GWR themed terminus and shunt layout
Post by: Railwaygun on August 16, 2016, 11:37:33 PM

I'm not sure what you mean by oval wire?


if end on the cut cable  looks like O then its round

if it looks like OO - then its sort of oval. ( or 2 cores with a plastic wrapper)

either way, you can separate the two cables that go into the track connector , and wire them into some block connector. then use this to connect to the feeder cables ( 2 core cable with polarity marked to make it easier! - ie a stripe on one strand of the cable)

if you dismantle / break open the square black track connectorm the wires are probably crimped/soldered onto 2 brass connectors - you can use these to fit into the connector block. (loco is optional)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/43/941-160816235710.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=43016)
Title: Re: GWR themed terminus and shunt layout
Post by: Newportnobby on August 17, 2016, 10:05:49 AM
Those controllers from sets are actually not bad :no:
I would not recommend using the metal track connectors, though. Cut them off and pare the wire back a bit so you can connect more wire to them or solder them to the rails.
Title: Re: GWR themed terminus and shunt layout
Post by: MrDobilina on August 17, 2016, 11:09:44 AM
if it looks like OO - then its sort of oval. ( or 2 cores with a plastic wrapper)


It is two wires with plastic coating each which are stuck together that you can pull apart into individual wires. Each end of wire is soldered to a metal clip that fits around the rail. I did post a picture earlier showing the wire :)

([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/43/941-160816235710.jpeg[/url]) ([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=43016[/url])


Is that one wire being split into two feeds?

Those controllers from sets are actually not bad :no:
I would not recommend using the metal track connectors, though. Cut them off and pare the wire back a bit so you can connect more wire to them or solder them to the rails.


Yes I really dislike the connectors. Tried playing with it last night and noticed that the connectors were too large for the rail so kept partially derailing my 5MT. Snipped and filled that down and it runs over nicely, but definitely would prefer to just split that into three feeds and power things properly, then switch to a Morley vesta http://morleycontrollers.com/shopexd.asp?id=28&bc=no (http://morleycontrollers.com/shopexd.asp?id=28&bc=no)
(http://morleycontrollers.com/images/Vesta.gif)

Looks decent, has what I would need and you can plug in walk around controls if you wanted to operate from a different location.

There's a good reason for liking this controller:
For instance IF, and that's a big if, I manage to make this look realistic I may consider taking it to a show or two, it's a portable size so should be do able. so If i mount the controls at the back hidden under a hillside then I can show it off whilst stood behind it. If I want to play with it at home, I just plug in the hand helds and feed the wire underneath the layout to use it the other way around!

The control panel with the points switches I am planning to make partially portable. By that I mean have a longish multicore coming out the back to the centre of the board and then run the wires to each place that needs switches. By having it run to the middle of the baseboard I can then have the control panel on either side of the board. All I need to do is get a few hooks on either side and the panel can then slot in and be static whilst I use the hand helds (which can also be fitted with some hooks for storage).
Title: Re: GWR themed terminus and shunt layout
Post by: Mito on August 17, 2016, 05:38:11 PM
Looks like the wire problem is sorted :)
With a DPDT switch one half can be used for isolating the track, the other for switching leds to indicate power or not. If two leds are wanted then it must be a DPDT switch. With one led a DPST  switch can be used.
Title: Re: GWR themed terminus and shunt layout
Post by: MrDobilina on August 18, 2016, 09:46:16 AM
Morning guys, just been looking at how to wire the cab(s) to the rails in order to switch control between the cab(s) or turn sections off.

The following diagram shows clearly where each section of track is and which switch controls the feed to that track.

You can switch between each cab so that you have a continuous run of power so now juddering should occur when changing between two isolated sections controlled by different cabs (as they will be controlled by the same one just with different feeds).

It uses a common return as each cab has its own transformer.

I've added isolating switches to 4 of the sidings so that a train can sit in the engine shed whilst a train uses the run around, a train can sit on the top platform whilst a new train pulls into the bottom platform or goods yard, a train can sit in the top siding of the goods yard whilst another frees it by pulling the wagons from behind it and vice versa, a train can sit in the left siding whilst a train pulls out from the sidings and out the way.

The switches at the top are SPDT centre off switches so that a feed can be turned off or switched between the two cabs.

The thing I need to do now is to figure out point motors, however I can wire this up this evening and just leave Cab2 unwired (As I haven't bought it yet haha)

(https://i.imgsafe.org/57664c5dc1.png)
Title: Re: GWR themed terminus and shunt layout
Post by: Newportnobby on August 18, 2016, 10:12:50 AM
This is straight out of the Cyril J Freezer "PSL Book of Model Railway Wiring" so well done to you in getting your head round common return wiring.


You can switch between each cab so that you have a continuous run of power so now juddering should occur when changing between two isolated sections controlled by different cabs (as they will be controlled by the same one just with different feeds).



Shouldn't that read "so now juddering will not occur"?
Title: Re: GWR themed terminus and shunt layout
Post by: Bealman on August 18, 2016, 10:16:44 AM
Wih DC keep all point motor wiring separate from track wiring. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: GWR themed terminus and shunt layout
Post by: MrDobilina on August 18, 2016, 10:17:40 AM
This is straight out of the Cyril J Freezer "PSL Book of Model Railway Wiring" so well done to you in getting your head round common return wiring.
why thank you :) I just hope I don't electrocute myself before I get to play with it!!
Shouldn't that read "so now juddering will not occur"?
Oops!! Thank again :D :beers:


Just had an email from interlink *grumble grumble* ehattons messed up the label on my parcel that was due to be delivered today which contained the remaining track I need and other bits such as the cork underlay.

This isn't a huge issue but I had hoped to be able to finish the track laying this evening whilst my wife is working on a late shift. As it stands I won't now be able to do anything to it until next week! I may do some wiring this evening but I won't be able to do a full or proper job, meaning I won't be able to run trains on it grrrr
Title: Re: GWR themed terminus and shunt layout
Post by: Mito on August 18, 2016, 06:25:20 PM
Glad you're getting things sorted. That's going to be a nice layout but beware the testing syndrome! :D
Title: Re: GWR themed terminus and shunt layout
Post by: MrDobilina on August 22, 2016, 10:38:16 AM
A pair of embarrassingly large parcels has (finally) been delivered to my work place!

Should contain the cork underlay, the last point (The three way) and enough flex track to fill in the gaps. Tonight...WE SOLDER! haha :beers:
Title: Re: GWR themed terminus and shunt layout
Post by: MrDobilina on August 22, 2016, 08:37:09 PM
Hey guys

So this evening has really made me realise how unprepared for this.
After burning myself twice on the soldering iron trying to figure things out with one of the switches I threw in the towel until I got some advice from you all.

In the mean time I've put down the cork layer across he while board and will later another strip on top just under the track to give a little lift.

(https://s4.postimg.org/bm1yszprh/image.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/rx22pb295/)

(https://s4.postimg.org/vhxy8j6st/image.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/6bx01p5ih/)

(https://s4.postimg.org/d3nf4jui5/image.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/8uip2dr8p/)

Ok so I thought this was an easy on off switch but i don't get it. Why are there four terminals for what should be a positive click to make switch?


(https://s4.postimg.org/n2cz4rtbh/image.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/8vx89jig9/)
And why is there a middle terminal for this one? The middle should be off? Why is there a third feed there?

forum image hosting (https://postimage.org/)

This is likely all simple stuff and I'm just too tired and down heartened to figure it all out
Title: Re: GWR themed terminus and shunt layout
Post by: Yet_Another on August 22, 2016, 10:42:31 PM
So the SPDT first: the middle pin is connected to either of the outer pins, or none, depending on the toggle position. Hence single pole, double throw. On a DC layout with two controllers, one might connect the track to the centre pin, and a different controller to each of the others, so that the section would be either off, or controlled by either of the controllers.

The green illuminated switch has probably got two pins for the switch and two pins to apply power for the illumination. A few tests with a multimeter should show which is which. Just checked, and yep, two terminals are for the 3V LED

http://www.maplin.co.uk/p/illuminated-green-locking-push-switch-n05ar (http://www.maplin.co.uk/p/illuminated-green-locking-push-switch-n05ar)
Title: Re: GWR themed terminus and shunt layout
Post by: Mito on August 22, 2016, 10:49:58 PM
You seem to have done OK with the tins :D
Second photo first. As the packet says this is an ON-OFF-ON switch, not an ON-OFF. The feed to the switch is the centre terminal and as you are using it as an on-off switch you can use either of the outer terminals. The other switch I'm not too sure about, I've never used a switch like this. If you have a multimeter you can check the terminals for a circuit. If you haven't got a meter, get one as they are very useful, more so when you start wiring up the layout. I was beaten. Different words, same answer :thumbsup:
Title: Re: GWR themed terminus and shunt layout
Post by: MrDobilina on August 23, 2016, 12:44:12 AM

The green illuminated switch has probably got two pins for the switch and two pins to apply power for the illumination. A few tests with a multimeter should show which is which. Just checked, and yep, two terminals are for the 3V LED

[url]http://www.maplin.co.uk/p/illuminated-green-locking-push-switch-n05ar[/url] ([url]http://www.maplin.co.uk/p/illuminated-green-locking-push-switch-n05ar[/url])


So with the green one do I wire both the two positives together and the two negatives together?

the middle pin is connected to either of the outer pins, or none, depending on the toggle position.


Oh man my awake brain now realises how dumb I am! That is indeed way more sensible, no idea why I couldn't get that last night! Thank you :beers:
Title: Re: GWR themed terminus and shunt layout
Post by: Yet_Another on August 23, 2016, 12:39:09 PM

So with the green one do I wire both the two positives together and the two negatives together?


I've just read back, and I see that you are going to use these for isolated sections. In that case, you'll have track voltage across a 3V LED, which would be bad.

You could put a resistor between the power & LED pins, which would protect the LED, but you're going to have the problem that the brightness will vary as you turn the power up & down.

I guess you wanted the light on when the power is on, and off when the power is off?
Title: Re: GWR themed terminus and shunt layout
Post by: MrDobilina on August 23, 2016, 01:01:48 PM

So with the green one do I wire both the two positives together and the two negatives together?


I've just read back, and I see that you are going to use these for isolated sections. In that case, you'll have track voltage across a 3V LED, which would be bad.

You could put a resistor between the power & LED pins, which would protect the LED, but you're going to have the problem that the brightness will vary as you turn the power up & down.

I guess you wanted the light on when the power is on, and off when the power is off?

Yeah that's exactly what I was going for, I really didnt consider the variable power >.<

It would still work without the light for now if I attached the cables to the other two prongs and just had it power the section though yes?
Title: Re: GWR themed terminus and shunt layout
Post by: Yet_Another on August 23, 2016, 01:06:45 PM
Yes, the actual switch bit will be fine. I think someone suggested double pole switches (DPST or DPDT) & separate LEDs so you can switch the power to the LED in parallel to the track power, and have a separate supply for all the illumination, if that makes sense.
Title: Re: GWR themed terminus and shunt layout
Post by: MrDobilina on August 23, 2016, 02:19:49 PM
Yes, the actual switch bit will be fine. I think someone suggested double pole switches (DPST or DPDT) & separate LEDs so you can switch the power to the LED in parallel to the track power, and have a separate supply for all the illumination, if that makes sense.

Hm I feel the lights from the switches can wait until I have a dedicated accessories out from the vesta controller, same with point motors and scenic lighting.


So list of things I'd like to get done this week:-


I'm going to start looking into magnetic release dapol couplings. I have a lot of tiny super magnetic discs which should fit between sleepers or in the cork layer.
as long as the track works and I can isolate sections that's the first step
Title: Re: GWR themed terminus and shunt layout
Post by: MrDobilina on August 23, 2016, 10:58:04 PM
This evening I took the pots off the board to check the cork had taken to it. It mostly has although the edges do have areas where it's not stuck.
Trying to sort those out with more glue and weights.

I've put an extra layer under just the track sections and glued that down too. Laid the track on top with wood on top of that and more tins to try and flatten it all down a bit. Think there will be a couple problem areas but I'll see how they are tomorrow evening with a few pictures.


After that's checked then I'll drill small holes for the feed wires and give them a go individually
Title: Re: GWR themed terminus and shunt layout
Post by: MrDobilina on August 24, 2016, 10:22:19 PM
This evening I've drilled holes for feeds and matched up different colours depending on which feed it is. Yellow for left green for middle and blue for right. Black for all negative feeds.

I soldered these all in place with some mixed results!

The feed to the main platform worked for 2 minutes and the 66 ran over it several times with no issues. Then suddenly nothing. One of the feeds had detached so I resolve red it but still nothing.

Might need to redo those wires?

The goods yard power works just fine! And the 66 ran over them very nicely. Although I feel this is the weakest area at the moment as the track is not flush level and raises up at the ends. Some track pins (when I find where I left them) should sort that out.

The three way point feed is the most curious. Running into the point works fine. But getting out it always stalls. No idea why as I can't see a connection issue.


Some pictures of progress. It's a little messy tbh but most of it will be covered up anyway

(https://s12.postimg.org/vayncb64p/image.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/vayncb64p/)

(https://s12.postimg.org/hik8gofd5/image.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/hik8gofd5/)

(https://s12.postimg.org/wsk3nvavd/image.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/wsk3nvavd/)


post images (https://postimage.org/)
Title: Re: GWR themed terminus and shunt layout
Post by: Newportnobby on August 25, 2016, 08:10:41 AM
Glad to hear things are (sort of) going to plan :thumbsup:
Title: Re: GWR themed terminus and shunt layout
Post by: MrDobilina on August 25, 2016, 10:37:15 PM
Spent some time this evening and tidied up the wiring a lot.

Feeds all soldered in and working. Three way still not working but both goods and long platform work fine.

Attached video of playing with a 66 in the goods yard.

(https://s4.postimg.org/fyjlvbi61/image.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/fyjlvbi61/)

(https://s4.postimg.org/5pr4phu49/image.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/5pr4phu49/)

(https://s4.postimg.org/a05sl2z7d/image.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/a05sl2z7d/)

(https://s4.postimg.org/77cl11yux/image.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/77cl11yux/)


different colour wires based on feed colour.

The switches are temporary in a bit of cardboard until I can buy something better.

Title: Re: GWR themed terminus and shunt layout
Post by: cornish yorkie on August 25, 2016, 10:50:34 PM
 :hellosign: Thanks for sharing, a novice like my-self is learning with you
 :thankyousign:
regards Derek.
Title: Re: GWR themed terminus and shunt layout
Post by: MrDobilina on August 26, 2016, 12:25:09 PM
:hellosign: Thanks for sharing, a novice like my-self is learning with you
 :thankyousign:
regards Derek.


Most welcome! I am just a bumbling fool here so I'm sure I'm doing a lot wrong!

On that note I've just figured out why the 3 way isnt working. There are meant to be two little wires that come out of it that are meant to be powered separately.

These are missing on mine and so I need to wire power to the gaps underneath directly.

This will require two SPDT switches to change the polarity of the power given to the two frogs. Seep point motors will be useful here however I can't afford those right now so the SPDT will have to suffice.

I found these images very useful on a german (I think) website:
(http://s21.postimg.org/jxvn2fn13/DSCF4026_P1_A.jpg)
(http://[b][b]http://s21.postimg.org/e8fei4guv/DSCF4026_P1_B.jpg[/b][/b])
(http://s21.postimg.org/tjp7iqe6v/DSCF4026_P2.jpg)
(http://s21.postimg.org/fm71dfg47/DSCF4026_P3.jpg)
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7161/6750853133_d8bda2dff2_z.jpg)

So supplying Positive to both will be suitable to turn right as coming from the toe end.
Negative to both will turn left.
Negative to the first and Positive to the second as coming from the toe end is for straight on.

(This is because my three way point is pointing the opposite direction with positive to the top rail feed and negative to the bottom rail feed)
Title: Re: GWR themed terminus and shunt layout
Post by: Only Me on August 26, 2016, 01:59:54 PM
The rough translation of the above Junk suggests you shouldnt be linking to them from another website @MrDobilina (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=5150)

 :goggleeyes: :o :o :D :D :D :D
Title: Re: GWR themed terminus and shunt layout
Post by: MrDobilina on August 26, 2016, 02:10:38 PM
The rough translation of the above Junk suggests you shouldnt be linking to them from another website @MrDobilina ([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=5150[/url])

 :goggleeyes: :o :o :D :D :D :D



Eh? Little confused here?
Title: Re: GWR themed terminus and shunt layout
Post by: Only Me on August 26, 2016, 02:32:44 PM
@MrDobilina (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=5150)  this is what users see :-
  :doh:
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/43/1328-260816143222.png)
Title: Re: GWR themed terminus and shunt layout
Post by: MrDobilina on August 26, 2016, 02:38:22 PM
@MrDobilina ([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=5150[/url])  this is what users see :-
  :doh:
([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/43/1328-260816143222.png[/url])


woa ok that's not what I see at all, should be fixed now
Title: Re: GWR themed terminus and shunt layout
Post by: Chris in Prague on August 26, 2016, 08:26:23 PM
I also could see everything without any problems.

Thanks for the three-way point diagrams; the best I've seen.
Title: Re: GWR themed terminus and shunt layout
Post by: MrDobilina on August 27, 2016, 10:13:29 PM
Some success! I figured out the wiring in the real world for the 3 way point and I now have it working!

I did slightly melt a couple sleepers trying to get it all to fit but lets not dwell on that ;) I managed to re melt and shape them so they are barely noticeable!

Tomorrow I will take a final look at putting an isolator switch on some rails  in the goods yard and if I cant get that to work I will have to settle for just setting the points against the siding and work around it that way.

I have been monstrously stupid however. The layout is resting on top of a ladder which can lock into an n shape, so far all the cables have been put between the baseboard and ladder, with the exception of the negative feed to feed 1. This has accidentally been put through rather than over the ladder, meaning currently the layout is somewhat soldered to the ladder >.< tiny fix to do but hey.

Defintily a positive day in that trains run successfully all around the track. There are some worry places but im hoping track pinning and gluing will help fix this.

next step: go around the layout and pin down the rails then do a mock up section on some spare wood and practice ballast.
Title: Re: GWR themed terminus and shunt layout
Post by: Newportnobby on August 28, 2016, 09:38:39 AM
Huzzah!
Trains running everywhere - success :claphappy:
Title: Re: GWR themed terminus and shunt layout
Post by: Mito on August 28, 2016, 08:30:20 PM
Well done :thumbsup:
Title: Re: GWR themed terminus and shunt layout
Post by: Maurits71 on August 28, 2016, 08:43:09 PM
site is actually dutch. sorry that I noticed this treat too late otherwise i could have been a sort of help.
Title: Re: GWR themed terminus and shunt layout
Post by: MrDobilina on August 28, 2016, 08:43:29 PM
I didn't get around to trying the isolators again but I did fix the feed wire that had been damaged.

My class totnes castle and my 5mt both appear to need maintainance as they have issues everywhere. But my 66 is fine!

All brand new :/ somewhat disappointed.

Tomorrow will be track pinning followed by ballast testing on some spare wood
Title: Re: GWR themed terminus and shunt layout
Post by: MrDobilina on August 29, 2016, 06:00:56 PM
Some progress today!

All the track is pinned down and straightened where it needed straightening.

I managed to break one of the viaduct retaining walls and it broke in half. I'm using this to make a cracked effect which is rather natural haha.

I've spent half the day playing with insulation board to make the first of the hills. The back hill will need to leave room for the vesta controller I've ordered. That area is seen in picutue 6 marked in light grey hatch under the drill. The dark brown hatch is the signal box. I'll make a surround for the controller out of thin ply and holes for the power feeds and then surround that with foam insulation board like a rock face.

In the penultimate picture you can see where the platform will go in the hatched area. Also a potential refuel point on the loop track has been outlined.

(https://i.imgsafe.org/4663a452ae.jpeg)
(https://s11.postimg.org/gf35g7nyb/4663ae7997.jpg)
(https://s11.postimg.org/8av1bh1j7/4663b44faa.jpg)
(https://s11.postimg.org/rtzmku0ar/4663d7ecac.jpg)
(https://s11.postimg.org/mjuntjg1v/4663de1ce1.jpg)
(https://i.imgsafe.org/4663b8ce74.jpeg)
Title: Re: GWR themed terminus and shunt layout
Post by: Newportnobby on August 29, 2016, 08:03:37 PM
I'm so dizzy I feel  :sick2:
Title: Re: GWR themed terminus and shunt layout
Post by: MrDobilina on August 29, 2016, 11:19:56 PM
I'm so dizzy I feel  :sick2:

I didn't realise it was that bad! Sorry!
Title: Re: GWR themed terminus and shunt layout
Post by: Newportnobby on August 30, 2016, 10:12:34 AM
I was referring to the orientation of your pics, as sadly this forum does that if they are from an iPad I believe :-\
Title: Re: GWR themed terminus and shunt layout
Post by: MrDobilina on August 30, 2016, 10:21:04 AM
I was referring to the orientation of your pics, as sadly this forum does that if they are from an iPad I believe :-\

That's odd, they were right way up when I posted them, but that was from my phone.  :'(

opening them in a new tab rather than just looking at the previews shows them in the correct orientation

EDIT: I've reuploaded the affected images and they should appear fine now
Title: Re: GWR themed terminus and shunt layout
Post by: MrDobilina on September 12, 2016, 03:39:38 PM
Hey guys,

A bit of an update and hopefully some pictures that don't look odd!

I've added legs to the main board! I bought some pretty cheap legs that will fold up so that I can transport it easier.
I need to figure out a way of adding temporary battening between the legs as it is a little wobbly (but no risk of falling over!).

The Morley controller came through and has been installed. The only downside is that the plug appears to be a vacuum formed one which prevents alteration or temporary removal. So to fit it through the base board I cut a fairly large hole for it to fit through.

The Controller doesn't have fans and after leaving it on for 2-3 hours yesterday it didn't get warm at all. Even when encased temporarily in insulation board it had no temperature variance. So that's a plus.

The other downside to the controller is that the hand held units plug into the top, but the cable doesn't bend well meaning that to hide them in the little cage area, the top of the box will have to be quite high, above the bridge scene! This somewhat throws off the look of the scene I feel with a very large hillside.

Most areas on the track are working fine, a couple problem areas have been fixed up a bit with some light filing to ease the transition between insulated rails. One particularly bad problem area is the main platform straight line that goes through the threeway point.
The insulated joiner jumped off meaning that the rail is a little loose.
I've been seriously considering removing the threeway point and getting a new one in after accidentally melting some of the sleepers and having such trouble with the missing connection wires.doing so would destroy the point but at this stage it would be better to loose a point and have a nicely flowing scene than to be stuck with an area that constantly has issues.
The other issue that remains with that point is that the right point on the threeway point still doesnt 'snap' into place like all the others and a fast train going through it will cause the point to switch back to straight causing a derailment.

I have been fixing up the insulated sections where a train can be left whilst another pulls the carriages off of it with the buttons on the control panel. These now work fine and Im happy with how that is turning out. I didnt put one on the top platform after remembering that just setting the points against it will insulate it from the main feed.

All in all I think it's going fairly well. There are often times where just touching a train down very gently will fix a random stall, there are no persistent places for stalling just if going slow sometimes either train will just stop for no apparent reason. Touching it again will get it moving again.

Well this was supposed to be short but I guess I've rambled on a lot.

Next steps for the layout I think will be, replace the threeway point, buy cable tacks to hold the dangling cables to the base of the board, buy some thin ply to create a box around the controller and to edge the hills along the front, and to finally buy a slightly thicker piece of ply for the traverser - I picked up a couple of cheap full extension drawer runners which are very smooth action which Ill use to move the traverser back and forth.

(https://s13.postimg.org/9bv8csb3r/IMG_9232.jpg)
(https://s13.postimg.org/5tj8gea7r/IMG_9233.jpg)
(https://s13.postimg.org/guedlf2gn/IMG_9237.jpg)
(https://s13.postimg.org/upco3vwvr/IMG_9238.jpg)
(https://s13.postimg.org/udv7r4gfr/IMG_9239.jpg)
(https://s13.postimg.org/vhfc3312v/IMG_9240.jpg)
(https://s13.postimg.org/som4j20qf/IMG_9242.jpg)
(https://s13.postimg.org/dhaqcfy9j/IMG_9243.jpg)
Title: Re: GWR themed terminus and shunt layout
Post by: Newportnobby on September 12, 2016, 03:54:36 PM
Thanks for the update. Sounds like you have a few teething problems but you're getting there :thumbsup:
Title: Re: GWR themed terminus and shunt layout
Post by: Mito on September 12, 2016, 05:35:32 PM
It's looking good. Teething problems are all part of the fun.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: GWR themed terminus and shunt layout
Post by: MrDobilina on November 01, 2016, 02:21:34 PM
Hey guys,

Not posted in a while as I've been rather busy.

Not much has changed apart from I've put a layer of poly filler over the hillside and sanded that down nicely.

I was wondering what people might recommend for point motors? I don't need polarity switching just a nice quiet, smooth and not too expensive motor to move all the points.
After that is done I guess it's on with the ballasting and then weathering the track!
Title: Re: GWR themed terminus and shunt layout
Post by: Newportnobby on November 01, 2016, 02:40:08 PM

I was wondering what people might recommend for point motors? I don't need polarity switching just a nice quiet, smooth and not too expensive motor to move all the points.


Glad you're still with us!
You may be seeking something that doesn't exist. Seeps are cheap but tend to go over with a loudish thump. Tortoise slow action are quiet but IMO expensive. Hopefully others will talk you through Cobalts and Peco motors,
In all honesty quiet, smooth and not too expensive means you might be better off looking at wire in tube (if you don't have many points but I recall you have a lot) or maybe a servo system.
Title: Re: GWR themed terminus and shunt layout
Post by: PostModN66 on November 01, 2016, 02:54:16 PM
For a self-contained one-board layout like this I would go for Wire-in-Tube.  Very cheap, silent, very reliable, maintenance free and more authentic than point motors.

What's not to like  ???

Cheers  Jon  :)
Title: Re: GWR themed terminus and shunt layout
Post by: Mito on November 01, 2016, 06:12:39 PM
+1 to that. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: GWR themed terminus and shunt layout
Post by: MrDobilina on November 01, 2016, 10:25:39 PM
Hey guys just trying to figure this out.

Is there a minimum curve for WIT?

So far I know I need something like this:
(https://i.imgsafe.org/914dc07f88.png)

However, points E and F should be really pulled from the same lever as they will never need to be independant.

Turquoise goes to G
Pink goes to D
Black goes to C
Yellow goes to b
Green and blue go to A for the two different options of the three way
Brown to E and Orange to F - but should pull together and in opposite directions.

Big blue rectange is the control area which will need to be next to the vesta which is in place. Looking at some lever systems and I love the look of Modratec. https://modratec.com/cart/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=31_32_13&zenid=4834efddb4ecab6cac2affe8bf3d5ea8

the 12 lever option is somewhat reasonably priced, and I could add in some manual operation semaphore signals.

What I need to know is, is this all feasible given the space constraints? Can you run these on top of the layout like a real life one? If not where's the best place to get items that can make this look more realistic?
Title: Re: GWR themed terminus and shunt layout
Post by: PostModN66 on November 02, 2016, 08:49:49 AM
Hey guys just trying to figure this out.

Is there a minimum curve for WIT?



Depending on the thickness of wire used, min radius is about 3 inches.

This video shows the installation on Horseblock lane:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2tPtxPdM_go (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2tPtxPdM_go)

This thread may help...

http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=19227.msg195637#msg195637 (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=19227.msg195637#msg195637)

Fans of Wire in Tube have their own opinions about type of wire, types of levers etc; you would have to come to your own conclusions.  The only tip I would give is to avoid bellcranks in the linkage - a headache and a maintenance liability!

Cheers  Jon   :)
Title: Re: GWR themed terminus and shunt layout
Post by: MrDobilina on November 02, 2016, 04:40:09 PM
Hey guys great suggestions so far!

I have put together this little diagram in sigscribe to try to get my concept out there better.

(https://s18.postimg.org/uw8xhuup5/image.png)

Red levers are for signals, black are for points, black and blue are for pulling two points at the same time - so E/F and B/C would each share a lever and pull/push in opposite directions by looping the cable around. It saves on 2 levers which arent really needed here.

Ive added some basic stop signalling around the area. One from the engine shed, one from the headshunt into the goods area and one for each line heading towards the single Exit to the fiddle yard. If I add signals to the goods area I think Ill just have static ground semaphore - assuming that was used?
Title: Re: GWR themed terminus and shunt layout
Post by: MrDobilina on November 02, 2016, 09:13:54 PM
 :censored: :censored: :censored:
Not a good evening at all!

I got a static grass applicator and some grass through today woooo
Decided to give it a go on a spare bit of wood with some pva just to see if it would work. Didn't really work well at all but I'm going for that it's down to being almost directly on wood.

Second issue was that as I removed the clip from the nail the rubber shrink wrap pulled away from the clip. You can probably see where this is going.
One decent jolt and a smell of burning later and the applicator needs repair. Already. The cup which was heat glued on has come off meaning I'll likely have to use epoxy to get it back on.

Somewhat disappointed. The grass looked ok I guess but not quite right. Will test on some insulation tomorrow after epoxying it all back together!
Title: Re: GWR themed terminus and shunt layout
Post by: keithbythe sea on November 04, 2016, 09:53:07 AM
Sad news with the applicator, hopefully you can repair it OK.

What brand did you buy? I am currently planning to buy one and some real market feedback would be helpful (rather than the random star ratings on certain web sites!).  :thankyousign:
Title: Re: GWR themed terminus and shunt layout
Post by: Croxy on November 04, 2016, 11:02:36 PM
Thanks for posting the pics.....looking forward to seeing this layout as it progresses.........
Title: Re: GWR themed terminus and shunt layout
Post by: MrDobilina on November 14, 2016, 02:50:08 PM
Afternoon all!

Just been playing around with the thought of point motors again. WIT would be lovely however given the track is already down it's somewhat difficult if not impossible to fit that in!
Maybe for an expansion!

I have been playing with the idea of a touch toggle interface from the guys at Berrett Hill in the US. http://www.berretthillshop.com/using-touch-toggles-in-a-large-model-railroad-panel/ (http://www.berretthillshop.com/using-touch-toggles-in-a-large-model-railroad-panel/)

Using that I have mocked up a control interface
(https://s12.postimg.org/wj12xyrb1/board.png)

In this example a train using controller 2 can pass from the fiddle yard to the second lane of the goods area whilst a train is being uncoupled and moved to the right of the main platform using controller 1.

The yellow backed buttons are isolators - turn green when track is live. Orange backed are point switches, alternate green - green on which side is active. Red backed switches are power feeds, these won't actually be buttons but indicators for which controller is controlling which part of the track - if not illuminated the track is not live.

The orange buttons with a single dot are joint point control, both points operate in unison and when illuminated green, it denotes that that path is accessible.

I'm pretty sure ill need 2 seep motors for the threeway point, and normal motors for everything else.
Title: Re: GWR themed terminus and shunt layout
Post by: MrDobilina on November 16, 2016, 09:57:55 AM
Morning all!

Sorry for another double post but thought I'd keep this up to date.

Last night I got some good old fashioned carpentry/salvage done. I've had some old bed slats in the garage for years, Id used most of them to put a shelf under my home made workbench. However, I have now used the last few (including one I had been testing static grass on for those eagle eyed among you...) to create  two H braces for the fiddle yard board!

All Glued and screwed together and I can find some more slats to go between the bars of the legs to create a little shelf.

(https://s14.postimg.org/yoxl69q75/image.jpg)
(https://s14.postimg.org/a9pd57ra9/image.jpg)

I've ordered the  grainge and hodder traverser and am looking for tortoise point motors to go with the rest of it. The issue with the traverser is that it's 900mmx400mm, whereas the fiddleyard board is 600mmx600mm.

I'll sit two runners on top, one either side and put the traverser on top so I can pull it towards me so that the turntable can turn all the way around without having to move the layout away from the wall.




This diagram shows just how much the traverser needs to move to clear the back wall - the distance between the two dots is 275mm and my runners extend to 300mm. the purple hatch is the turn table turned so that its maximum distance from the green dot to the back wall is shown. red and yellow hatch shows the 90 degree turns
(https://s16.postimg.org/ka440sf6d/image.png)

Think the plans pretty solid now. Just need to get on with it!

Title: Re: GWR themed terminus and shunt layout
Post by: Newportnobby on November 16, 2016, 10:26:37 AM
Interesting. I'm looking forward to seeing how this develops.
Title: Re: GWR themed terminus and shunt layout
Post by: MrDobilina on November 21, 2016, 10:47:30 AM
Morning all!

I have had some success this weekend.  :beers:

I put together the Grainge and Hodder turntable and have wood glued the relevant parts together. There were 2 pieces that were slightly bent but a day of weights and glue on them and they seem ok now.

The height of the fiddle yard table needed to be reduced by about 130mm. The turntable is quite deep really, saying that I did have to add a few pieces of wood on the underside of the middle section so that I could affix the draw runners to the underside of the turntable mount.

One thing that I didn't see mentioned on the store page for the turntable is that you need an M6 bolt and nut. You can't buy these singly so I had to purchase 10 of them for the small sum of 5.51 :(

I also bought some more wood to fascia the front and sides at least, but haven't gotten around to that yet.

I've also ordered some tortoise point motors as well as terminal blocks and some 8 core cable. I plan on replacing the wiring underneath the board and to the control panel with this cable to tidy it up a lot. The terminal blocks will be placed at key locations to reduce the amount of wire that might need redoing in future. so at each point motor there will be an 8 way block so short wires can be wired into that from the point motor and then the thicker cable to the bus.

Finally, here is a quick video of the turntable in action - no rails put on it just yet.




Title: Re: GWR themed terminus and shunt layout
Post by: Newportnobby on November 21, 2016, 11:23:20 AM
You've cracked it. Nice job! :thumbsup:
Title: Re: GWR themed terminus and shunt layout
Post by: MrDobilina on November 27, 2016, 09:42:04 PM
Evening all :beers:
After a lovely time at warley and a great many purchases of wagons and a class 14 along with kits for a station building, signal box and refuelling point - none of which I'm permitted until my 30th on Thursday - I've decided to make some changes to the layout.

Number 1 has been to fit the extra sleepers around the points. This has caused some issues as they had been pinned down. Mostly working again now although the three way point does have stalling issues.

Number 2 is that the upper platform is about an inch closer to the main track. This has been as I've found out a 'large' platform is about 35mm across rather than the 70mm I had it at.
The look of it still appears good so I'm happy so far.

Number three and possibly the biggest change is that I've rotated the layout 180 degrees. This is so the hillside is now in the back right and I intend to cut the baseboard and drop the front by 30mm to have a gentle slope up to the side of the station. That will be lined with fence or stonewalling.

To facilitate that change, the main controller will be placed on the floor instead. This alleviates the rather sheer side to the front wall.
The high sided brickwork may be removed in favour of sloped hillside and a tunnel to match.

The hill side might be sanded down more to be a little more scale worthy. If that makes sense.

I operated some trains this evening and aside from stalling at the threeway it appears to run pretty well.

Class 58 totnes castle seems to run best.

Title: Re: GWR themed terminus and shunt layout
Post by: MrDobilina on November 28, 2016, 09:54:46 PM
Just thought I'd introduce the newest member of the family
(https://s13.postimg.org/gt9bfm1vb/IMG_9420.jpg)


Meet J94 from gra/far
Bought for 45, some minor paintwork blemishes but he'll be weathered up before long.
Title: Re: GWR themed terminus and shunt layout
Post by: MrDobilina on December 04, 2016, 09:58:36 PM
Not much to report. Will take a picture of all the stock I was given for my 30th during the week!

Been trying out some stock weathering with powders this evening. Let me know what you think of this :-
(https://s13.postimg.org/jwtxfxwdj/Snapseed.jpg)

For this I've used secret weapon weathering powders: black light brown violet and white. I layered light brown and black around the bottom and top of the wagon then dabbed white and violet over the middle section. Cleaning the paintbrush I then gently blended them together to feather the effect.
On the roof I used light brown and black with black used at the front and rear of the wagon blending to the middle with a dash of white.

I was try to get an effect like they had been out side for a long time and had deteriorated significantly due to rain and overuse.

The sides of the bogies were done with White and light brown as I wanted them to look like dust from the ballast had dirtied where the wheels would be turning.
Not sure how prototypical that is but felt good.
Title: Re: GWR themed terminus and shunt layout
Post by: Chris in Prague on December 04, 2016, 10:01:11 PM
Very nice work, indeed. Highly realistic weathering; not at all overdone.
Title: Re: GWR themed terminus and shunt layout
Post by: Newportnobby on December 05, 2016, 09:46:09 AM

Not sure how prototypical that is but felt good.

Looks good, too.
If anything I think the sides could take a bit more 'grot' :hmmm:
Title: Re: GWR themed terminus and shunt layout
Post by: MrDobilina on December 05, 2016, 10:30:07 PM
Hey guys

Some more weathering fun this evening.
Finished off the Fruit D wagon and started on the 20T grain hopper.
You
Again let me know your thoughts!
For comparison, here are the originals
Fruit d
(http://dapol.co.uk/image/cache/data/HK-2F-014-006-800x800.jpg)

Bulk grain hopper
(http://dapol.co.uk/image/cache/data/Product%20photos/HK-2F-036-025-800x800.jpg)

And now my ones

(https://s14.postimg.org/zctuq4nfl/IMG_9459.jpg)
(https://s14.postimg.org/e4g68p8yp/IMG_9460.jpg)
(https://s14.postimg.org/p5bbdq17l/IMG_9461.jpg)
(https://s14.postimg.org/laciow7fl/IMG_9462.jpg)
(https://s14.postimg.org/c3u81m275/IMG_9463.jpg)
(https://s14.postimg.org/u7x8m8zvl/IMG_9464.jpg)
(https://s14.postimg.org/gsa7wsrdt/IMG_9465.jpg)


Need to get a better setup for taking photos that's more colour true!
Title: Re: GWR themed terminus and shunt layout
Post by: Drakken on December 05, 2016, 11:23:28 PM
I think someone should start taking weathering orders, Very awesome  :beers:
Title: Re: GWR themed terminus and shunt layout
Post by: Bob Tidbury on December 06, 2016, 09:10:23 AM
WOW We certainately have some talented guys and gals on this Forum .
Whenever I've tried to weather something it looks like I've dipped it in a paint pot no matter how careful I am.
Well done Mr Dobilina you'll be giving Mercig and GC Weathering some competition if you can do work to that quality .
Bob
Title: Re: GWR themed terminus and shunt layout
Post by: MrDobilina on December 06, 2016, 09:27:09 AM
Really guys?

I wouldn't even know what to charge for that kind of thing  :smiley-laughing:
Title: Re: GWR themed terminus and shunt layout
Post by: Drakken on December 06, 2016, 09:57:24 AM
Not a lot obviously lol, Seriously though stunning weathering  :beers:

Really guys?

I wouldn't even know what to charge for that kind of thing  :smiley-laughing:
Title: Re: GWR themed terminus and shunt layout
Post by: Newportnobby on December 06, 2016, 11:02:41 AM
I'm surprised your disgustingly filthy photographs passed by the censors :goggleeyes:
Excellent :)
Title: Re: GWR themed terminus and shunt layout
Post by: MrDobilina on December 06, 2016, 11:08:16 AM
I'm surprised your disgustingly filthy photographs passed by the censors :goggleeyes:
Excellent :)



haha :P

Does anyone have any great photos of GWR or LMS locos with a little wear and tear/coal dust/oil on them please? I'd like to get weathering locos soon but could do with some reference shots.
Title: Re: GWR themed terminus and shunt layout
Post by: Newportnobby on December 06, 2016, 11:16:19 AM
Great clip.

As far as weathering locos goes, I suggest you look at some sites like 'Grimy Times' and see if anything floats your boat/filthens your loco
Title: Re: GWR themed terminus and shunt layout
Post by: MrDobilina on December 06, 2016, 09:44:37 PM
No new weathering this evening. I felt I'd share my wonderful birthday presents from some very generous friends and family!

(https://s17.postimg.org/ia4wnhakv/IMG_9467.jpg)
(https://s17.postimg.org/6z28z43pr/IMG_9468.jpg)
(https://s17.postimg.org/urbkan5qn/IMG_9469.jpg)
(https://s17.postimg.org/lxkntjirz/IMG_9470.jpg)
(https://s17.postimg.org/gaoaw2g9b/IMG_9471.jpg)
(https://s17.postimg.org/7ttdyw0y7/IMG_9472.jpg)
Title: Re: GWR themed terminus and shunt layout
Post by: MrDobilina on December 10, 2016, 12:28:33 AM
Evening all!
 :beers:

I've been thinking - dangerous I know!

I don't like the engine shed area at all. Very squished in and cramped. Also the good yard sort of goes off the corner of the board.

Ive been having a play with anyrail to alleviate this situation using only the items I currently have.

I've moved a couple points around and changed the entrance to the goods yard.

The goods yard building is a litttttle but close to the engine shed now, but there is room for refuelling of steam and a good sized ash pit.

Not sure on prototypical for a gwr terminus but it fits a lot in with distinct areas for distinct uses.

As always I'd love to hear some opinions and thoughts!

Tomorrow I get the point motors so rewiring will be being started anyway
(https://s17.postimg.org/k9w4ftl73/IMG_9506.jpg)
Title: Re: GWR themed terminus and shunt layout
Post by: Drakken on December 10, 2016, 12:30:31 AM
Some very nice presents and Happy Birthday!  :beers:

Now let see some of that epic weathering, Yes I'm impatient lol

Title: Re: GWR themed terminus and shunt layout
Post by: Newportnobby on December 10, 2016, 01:30:00 PM
I tend to agree the goods shed is a bit close there so I'd move it to the topmost siding which would also save a road crossing the 3 sidings for access :hmmm:
Title: Re: GWR themed terminus and shunt layout
Post by: MrDobilina on December 13, 2016, 05:04:57 PM
Quick plan update:
(https://s27.postimg.org/5y05s9iab/small2_1_2.jpg)

Peach is ballast
light gray is brick or hardcasting
Lilac are cranes - larger one to be used on both tracks potentially
White oblong is an ashpit
next to it is a refuelling ratio kit
above it is a coal dump - side opening coal wagons to dump some coal for the refuelling area.
Reference for the goods yard concept and coal dump:


The bottom edge is the edge nearest the user/viewer and is dropped down to allow for a gently rolling hill

Isolator on every siding - may need a second loco to release a loco that has pulled into the goods area with a rake.

Can fit 6 coaches along main platform if a second engine is used to shunt the carriages along the platform to the end.

I've been researching rake makeups for GWR and WR areas and feel the following are quite apt:


TK TK BCK TK - GREEN - J94?
BTK TK FK BTK GWR
BTK CK CK TK TK BTK - GWR
BCK - TK - TK - TK - TK BTK - GWR
BCK TK BTK - GWR
BTK TK CK TK BTK - MAROON + 5MT
PO stowage van BTK TK FK BTK MAROON + 5MT
BCK Diner BTK TK CK CK TK - MAROON + A1 Tornado
BTK TK CK BTK CRIMSON and WHITE + Royal Scot
TK BCK - CRIMSON and WHITE + Royal Scot

B = Brake
T = Third
C = Composite
F = First
K = Corridor = gangway between vehicles

That's a lot of stock and so this is just what id LIKE to run not what I definitely will.
Title: Re: GWR themed terminus and shunt layout
Post by: lil chris on December 13, 2016, 10:01:05 PM
I like the video very good, your goods yard looks very good, some nice modeling there.
Title: Re: GWR themed terminus and shunt layout
Post by: MrDobilina on December 13, 2016, 11:21:00 PM
I like the video very good, your goods yard looks very good, some nice modeling there.

Not my yard! It's reference for when I do mine. Think that is o gauge
Title: Re: GWR themed terminus and shunt layout
Post by: lil chris on December 13, 2016, 11:40:07 PM
I thought it looked large, very nice though and inspiring.
Title: Re: GWR themed terminus and shunt layout
Post by: Drakken on December 14, 2016, 12:29:42 PM
You've got some great plan ahead and really looking forward to seeing how your layout progresses :)

I'll try help if needed as I'm new to this myself lol but we are all in this together  :beers:
Title: Re: GWR themed terminus and shunt layout
Post by: port perran on December 14, 2016, 12:34:17 PM
I thought it looked large, very nice though and inspiring.
I nearly fell into that "trap" too Chris !
Title: Re: GWR themed terminus and shunt layout
Post by: lil chris on December 14, 2016, 04:57:18 PM
Thanks Martin  at least it is not just me. It does look good  though, to be honest "o" gauge is not easier except on the eyes, more details are expected.
Title: Re: GWR themed terminus and shunt layout
Post by: MrDobilina on December 15, 2016, 08:48:20 AM
Frustrating evening last night.
trying to lay the joining track between the two points at the station for the run around. I can't get the track to stay inside the insulated rail joiners!

Every time I think it's laid it pops out again later on!

I've added isolators to every rail that doesn't have a feed  so that I can have a loco in that siding whilst another is removing stock from it.

So far these just go to a small terminal block next to each area, but I have spdts to control the flow of current and a light to show if the current is there or not.
I've resoldered the feed to the goods yard as I changed the points where it was previously soldered in place.

Going to add a terminal block next to the threeway point and have all the bits for controlling the polarity and the feed go into there next.

After that the next step is to find the 8 core cable I have somewhere and replace all the runs to isolators/feeds with that so that my cabling doesnt look like spaghetti junction any more.

I hope to be done with this part by the end of the week (I only get 40 mins of an evening every few days!).
Then I'll start looking at POINT MOTORS! tada. haha. I have 10 tortoise point motors at my disposal.

2 for the three way point, 3 for the run around, 2 for the entrance to the goods yard, and 1 for the sidings in the good yard. The other two being for just in case I foul things up!

Once the point motors are all in place I will look at getting the entrance to the fiddle yard sorted out. I have some brass cable that is flexible, one is marginally thicker than the other but has a hole through the middle so the thinner one can fit in and slide like a joining bolt.With a second piece of tube on the tip of each one in the fiddle yard I can then align the rails and pass power (hopefully).
Title: Re: GWR themed terminus and shunt layout
Post by: NeMo on December 15, 2016, 09:19:59 AM
I can't get the track to stay inside the insulated rail joiners! Every time I think it's laid it pops out again later on!

The Peco ones are rubbish. I've given up with them. They're too deep and too rubbery to fit properly and securely. Easier to either lay the track with a tiny gap between rails, or else insert a small piece of plastic strip or wood, file down to size, and paint over it as required.

Cheers, NeMo
Title: Re: GWR themed terminus and shunt layout
Post by: Newportnobby on December 15, 2016, 09:47:50 AM
I tend to agree they are a PITA. Probably better to just lay the track with metal joiners then cut the rails with Xuron cutters to create the gap. Beware expansion, though!
Title: Re: GWR themed terminus and shunt layout
Post by: MrDobilina on December 15, 2016, 09:58:57 AM
I tend to agree they are a PITA. Probably better to just lay the track with metal joiners then cut the rails with Xuron cutters to create the gap. Beware expansion, though!
I did give this a little go last night, BUT as you have to cut through the plastic that holds the rail in place, it instantly looses the curve and has a hideous sudden turn like this < rather than (
 :doh:
Title: Re: GWR themed terminus and shunt layout
Post by: Newportnobby on December 15, 2016, 10:24:50 AM
Good point! :doh:
Maybe a cutting disc in a Dremel (or similar tool) would be better as you can then control the depth of cut. If trying this, please wear eye protection!!!
Title: Re: GWR themed terminus and shunt layout
Post by: MrDobilina on January 16, 2017, 09:16:34 AM
Morning all,
Been a while since my last update so here's what's been happening.

First of all the track issues from my last post have been resolved. I moved the point about a cm to the right and then re laid the track between the crossover and the curve was just right to easily get between the two points.

I've looked at building a couple of the ratio kits that I got for Christmas, but hadn't realised you need to paint before you construct. Meaning that I need to wait for next pay to be able to afford the correct paints.

I am also waiting on some stripwood to start some basic scratch building. I've recently seen a couple of tutorials from an American who showed a fantastic way of getting panelling done for a building using HO Strip wood.

Here's the video:


I intend to make a basic box first as a test then move onto a simple GWR style goods shed such as this one at Lambourn:
(http://www.lambournvalleyrailway.info/stations+crossings/Lambourn/1950s/File0497b.jpg)

And to that end made the following plan:
(https://s24.postimg.org/70idpi491/gs1.jpg)


On a slightly sad note, the A1 Tornado I was given for Christmas needs to be sent back to hattons due to drive issues and the vesta controller from morely needs to go back due to only track power working correctly.
Title: Re: GWR themed terminus and shunt layout
Post by: MrDobilina on March 14, 2017, 01:33:36 PM
Well the wood has been sent to the wrong address that doesn't exist and I can't get it redelivered. It will likely be sent back to america before being resent here. What a palava!

On the upside I have a new class 37/5 through from hattons and am fitting the detail kit at the moment. Also going to weather this one up a bit and see how close I can get it to the pictures I have.

I have also had a lovely large magnifying glass with a stand and light come through which really helps work on these locos!

I'm just waiting on my controller to come back from Morley after I sent it off for repairs. They have said it has been fixed but wouldn't go into what caused the issue in the first place. I have some spare time this weekend so I might get a few hours to sort out some of the point motors and the cabling issues.

Or if not I'll sort out the turntable fiddle yard and get the track laid properly with the connections

Once that is done I'll get to gluing the track down and ballasting, then onto scenics!
Title: Re: GWR themed terminus and shunt layout
Post by: MrDobilina on March 20, 2017, 01:38:49 PM
A bit of a stressful Saturday was had. I've laid some track finally in the turntable fiddle yard. However I can't for the life of me figure out how to get power from the toe of the 3 way point into whichever track is lined up in the yard.

Add to that that when I tried to trim the brass tubing to make the link bit to keep the track locked together, the tube would crush and so I wouldn't be able to slide the slightly smaller tube inside.

I've also noticed some odd discolouration near some soldered areas on or near the track. Going to investigate that soon too. If anyone has some tutorials on sliding fiddle yards I'd love to know more!
Title: Re: GWR themed terminus and shunt layout
Post by: MrDobilina on March 22, 2017, 03:36:06 PM
I've been told sawing rather than clipping may be better for these brass tubes, so I'll give that a go soon.

Some good news, the controller is on the way back from Morely at last. The lady who was dealing with me went on Mat leave and hadn't told anyone that my one was due to come back to me!
Spoke to Ted there last night and he sorted everything out very quickly.

Also I have several bits wagons appearing over the next week or so which I'll take some photos of when they arrive.
Title: Re: GWR themed terminus and shunt layout
Post by: PeteW on March 22, 2017, 03:46:05 PM
I've been told sawing rather than clipping may be better for these brass tubes, so I'll give that a go soon.


I think that's right, but be sure you have some way of holding the tube firmly while sawing. Something like this would be ideal:
http://modelshop.co.uk/Shop/Tools/Saws/Item/Mitre-block/ITM6332 (http://modelshop.co.uk/Shop/Tools/Saws/Item/Mitre-block/ITM6332)
Has grooves for holding tube/rod securely.

Watch out for the ends of the tube as well - sawn brass can be razor sharp. DAMHIKNT.
Title: Re: GWR themed terminus and shunt layout
Post by: MrDobilina on March 23, 2017, 12:25:56 PM
I've been told sawing rather than clipping may be better for these brass tubes, so I'll give that a go soon.


I think that's right, but be sure you have some way of holding the tube firmly while sawing. Something like this would be ideal:
[url]http://modelshop.co.uk/Shop/Tools/Saws/Item/Mitre-block/ITM6332[/url] ([url]http://modelshop.co.uk/Shop/Tools/Saws/Item/Mitre-block/ITM6332[/url])
Has grooves for holding tube/rod securely.

Watch out for the ends of the tube as well - sawn brass can be razor sharp. DAMHIKNT.


Good advice there! I think I have one in the garage, I'll be sure to file the ends before use :D

Title: Re: GWR themed terminus and shunt layout
Post by: N-Gauge-US on March 24, 2017, 07:01:11 PM

Add to that that when I tried to trim the brass tubing to make the link bit to keep the track locked together, the tube would crush and so I wouldn't be able to slide the slightly smaller tube inside.


Try trimming it with a piece of the smaller tube or rod inside; it should help the larger tube keep its shape :)
Title: Re: GWR themed terminus and shunt layout
Post by: MrDobilina on March 26, 2017, 06:54:14 PM
Did some weathering of the class 37 this morning. Just prepped with sealant. Think it's just enough and not too much. Thoughts greatly appreciated :)

(https://s22.postimg.org/ipxg45zgx/IMG_0033.jpg)
(https://s22.postimg.org/cq9p0ieoh/IMG_0035.jpg)
(https://s22.postimg.org/pvtskcxxt/IMG_0036.jpg)
(https://s22.postimg.org/vla14o441/IMG_0037.jpg)
(https://s22.postimg.org/63rml2mdt/IMG_0038.jpg)
(https://s22.postimg.org/dxs86gu6p/IMG_0039.jpg)
Title: Re: GWR themed terminus and shunt layout
Post by: N-Gauge-US on March 26, 2017, 07:55:23 PM
Looks really good! The vent and grate covers are especially grimy and convincing, particularly by the cab. :)
Title: Re: GWR themed terminus and shunt layout
Post by: Caz on March 27, 2017, 07:11:46 PM
Yuuurk, if you think I'm going anywhere near that dirty 'ol thing   ;)
Title: Re: GWR themed terminus and shunt layout
Post by: Newportnobby on March 27, 2017, 08:24:36 PM
Just how it's going to feature in a GWR themed terminus and shunt layout is a bit beyond me ;)
Title: Re: GWR themed terminus and shunt layout
Post by: N-Gauge-US on March 27, 2017, 09:40:52 PM
Just how it's going to feature in a GWR themed terminus and shunt layout is a bit beyond me ;)

With your favorite, rule one ;P
Title: Re: GWR themed terminus and shunt layout
Post by: MrDobilina on March 27, 2017, 10:37:50 PM
Just how it's going to feature in a GWR themed terminus and shunt layout is a bit beyond me ;)

With your favorite, rule one ;P

Rule one most certainly applies  :laughabovepost:
Title: Re: GWR themed terminus and shunt layout
Post by: MrDobilina on March 30, 2017, 08:51:19 AM
A couple quick updates today:

First, the wood that was sent to me was sent to the wrong address and has been sent back to the supplier.....in America. They are resending it but it will be a while.

Second, my controller came back! It works perfectly, even if they did leave it on a shelf for 3 weeks and forgot about it.

On an upside, I have had a few wagons come through, so I am busily doing some weathering. This one was weathered (late) last night and I checked on it again this morning:

(https://s9.postimg.org/tq4qx37u7/image1.jpg)

(https://s9.postimg.org/72phqxsa7/image2.jpg)
Title: Re: GWR themed terminus and shunt layout
Post by: MrDobilina on March 31, 2017, 10:10:13 AM
Did some more weathering last night to keep @newportnobby (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=264) happy  ;D

This first one shows the sykes wagon before I started
(https://s9.postimg.org/65tifetqn/IMG_0053.jpg)

(https://s9.postimg.org/s69uw1cen/IMG_0059.jpg)

(https://s9.postimg.org/6l4s8ffnz/IMG_0060.jpg)

(https://s9.postimg.org/9uj7ew3rj/IMG_0062.jpg)

(https://s9.postimg.org/zelhlbp5b/IMG_0063.jpg)

Sorry they arent the best images in the world, struggling to take decent upclose pictures at the moment. Need to get a lens for my phone I think haha
Title: Re: GWR themed terminus and shunt layout
Post by: Newportnobby on March 31, 2017, 11:43:19 AM
A disgusting improvement ;)
Is it a trick of the light but in the last 2 pics the chassis seems slightly bent?
Maybe my MK1 eyeballs are out of true :worried:
Title: Re: GWR themed terminus and shunt layout
Post by: N-Gauge-US on March 31, 2017, 03:59:18 PM
Looking very nice indeed :)
Title: Re: GWR themed terminus and shunt layout
Post by: MrDobilina on March 31, 2017, 09:22:14 PM
A disgusting improvement ;)
Is it a trick of the light but in the last 2 pics the chassis seems slightly bent?
Maybe my MK1 eyeballs are out of true :worried:


I can never tell if you are being supportive or negative  :smiley-laughing:

I think it might be slightly bent but when I went back to it it looked fine. So I'm sure it will be fine :)

On another note, I did a few more wagons this evening. A. It more subtle and the green ones tend to show the rustiness on the ends more. It's really hard to photograph these, if anyone has tips please let me know.

(https://s22.postimg.org/6zrie4kk1/Full_Size_Render.jpg)

I think Sykes, house coal and the eggs are my favourite so far.
Title: Re: GWR themed terminus and shunt layout
Post by: N-Gauge-US on April 01, 2017, 02:46:01 AM
They look lovely :) well done. I've only done a couple of wagons, but I have a few more I want to do (my bright red ICI van needs toning down, as it seems toylike to me at present- then again it is a toy  :hmmm: ) and now you've given me the itch to muck something up. :)
Title: Re: GWR themed terminus and shunt layout
Post by: Innovationgame on April 01, 2017, 06:49:21 AM
I haven't even begun to think about weathering yet.  What's the best technique?
Title: Re: GWR themed terminus and shunt layout
Post by: MrDobilina on April 01, 2017, 08:59:44 AM
I haven't even begun to think about weathering yet.  What's the best technique?

I'm not sure about best but I use a small brush set from army painter (https://www.amazon.co.uk/Army-Painter-Wargamers-Wanted-Brush/dp/B007H4YR8S) and powders from secret weapon. Couple that with some sealant by secret weapon from wayland games, which I just dab and allow natural flow to pull into all the crevices.

If you want to paint the weathering on rather than just dry brush you can set the powder in a little container first and it becomes like ink.

here (https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/433211.page;jsessionid=E02D435B65F24F38F20195B74A71F730#3973946) is a great overview of how to use powders either dry or wet. Sorry about the unusual colour scheme!

Key thing to note is, if you are dry brushing light colours on, when you seal it will really dilute the colour away.

For all my models I use two different light colours and do a general all over dry brush which takes away the plastic feel. Then I use violet from secret weapon (which comes out more like rust brown) and go around the metal works and lower sections. The I use a black to pick out areas of wood decay or coal powder spillage. Sometimes I'll use other colours too if the base colour of the wagon is strong.
For instance, with the green wagons I used a slate green dry brush first instead of my usual yellowish colour.
Title: Re: GWR themed terminus and shunt layout
Post by: MrDobilina on April 02, 2017, 12:11:28 PM
Added some real coal to a few test wagons and it's gone really well!

(https://s28.postimg.org/6aqn81thp/IMG_0127.jpg)

I'm hoping these images will speak for themselves.
At each stage I've lightly brushed a small paintbrush filled with dry weather powder. Staring from light to dark and being sparing with the dark.

(https://s28.postimg.org/y4h1p8nt9/IMG_0121.jpg)
(https://s28.postimg.org/4qlb9nl3h/IMG_0123.jpg)
(https://s28.postimg.org/9drdbf8gd/IMG_0124.jpg)
(https://s28.postimg.org/bjlo5xbwt/IMG_0125.jpg)
(https://s28.postimg.org/bkvlzcdql/IMG_0126.jpg)
(https://s28.postimg.org/47g80dtot/IMG_0128.jpg)
And another Before
(https://s28.postimg.org/utsopcxvx/IMG_0104.jpg)
And After
(https://s28.postimg.org/ewyi6duvh/IMG_0112.jpg)

Annnnnd I've started on a little ash pit area. I think it looks ok but it feels a little off
(https://s28.postimg.org/rpmm6b6h9/IMG_0113.jpg)
Title: Re: GWR themed terminus and shunt layout
Post by: Newportnobby on April 02, 2017, 12:47:08 PM
More good weathering, and thanks for the reminder for me to grab a lump of coal from my sister.
The coal has a destiny with a lump hammer >:D
Title: Re: GWR themed terminus and shunt layout
Post by: Innovationgame on April 02, 2017, 12:55:38 PM
A really good sequence of pictures.  It makes it very clear how you do it.  thank you.
Title: Re: GWR themed terminus and shunt layout
Post by: wookie on April 02, 2017, 05:18:42 PM
Very nice weathering, well done
Title: Re: GWR themed terminus and shunt layout
Post by: MrDobilina on April 12, 2017, 01:15:11 PM
Got some power into my layout at the weekend again finally!
After a good clean and brush down/hoover, most areas seem pretty good still. There is one MAJOR problem. The track for the main platform is...dead. No power no matter how I set the joined points. Need to figure out a way around this.

I also tried to wire up a DPDT switch to a tortoise motor following the instructions (cross over x wire, middle prongs to motor, top prongs to power) and it worked...sort of. When I wiggle the switch the tortoise motor springs briefly into life, then dies again. Not sure what is wrong there, need to get a meter out and check everything.

I'll upload a video later of some shunting action with my super reliable class 66 - seriously this thing just goes no matter what.
Title: Re: GWR themed terminus and shunt layout
Post by: Innovationgame on April 12, 2017, 04:23:50 PM
I'll upload a video later of some shunting action with my super reliable class 66 - seriously this thing just goes no matter what.
But, presumably not on the dead track  :D
Title: Re: GWR themed terminus and shunt layout
Post by: MrDobilina on April 12, 2017, 04:27:36 PM
I'll upload a video later of some shunting action with my super reliable class 66 - seriously this thing just goes no matter what.
But, presumably not on the dead track  :D

Haha, it does if I push it ;)
Title: Re: GWR themed terminus and shunt layout
Post by: MrDobilina on April 13, 2017, 08:59:42 PM
Got started on a ratio kit today, the engine shed has walls! Just a bit of test track here separate from the layout.

(https://i.imgsafe.org/fd7a92c14f.jpg)
(https://i.imgsafe.org/fd7a9bdda6.jpg)

Need to get some humbrol masking stuff for the windows before painting this all over. Going to hand paint the little internal bits before glueing them in place.
Title: Re: GWR themed terminus and shunt layout
Post by: Rabbitaway on April 14, 2017, 11:08:31 PM
Hi

The weathered wagons look excellent

Look forward to the next set of photos

Title: Re: GWR themed terminus and shunt layout
Post by: MrDobilina on April 17, 2017, 05:28:17 PM
As posted on the ngf Facebook page, I've handpainted and weathered the engine shed
Picked out some bricks lighter than others and based it off the second image. Used a dark blue for the doors and main details to have a little variation.
(https://s23.postimg.org/e6g3y2bnv/IMG_0208.jpg)
(http://c8.alamy.com/comp/A54X84/engine-shed-in-the-gwr-railworks-swindon-A54X84.jpg)
Title: Re: GWR themed terminus and shunt layout
Post by: Innovationgame on April 17, 2017, 05:37:46 PM
That looks like a beautiful model.
Title: Re: GWR themed terminus and shunt layout
Post by: Chris in Prague on April 17, 2017, 08:49:22 PM
Really, excellent work and great photos., too.
Title: Re: GWR themed terminus and shunt layout
Post by: Steamie+ on April 20, 2017, 06:43:06 AM
Nice bit of weathering and a nice model too.   :thumbsup:
Title: Re: GWR themed terminus and shunt layout
Post by: Bealman on April 20, 2017, 07:07:13 AM
Nice job! I love Ratio kits and you've done a great paint job on it.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: GWR themed terminus and shunt layout
Post by: MrDobilina on June 21, 2017, 10:30:54 AM
Hi guys and girls!

Sorry for the long time without any updates but there have been some big changes and I've put off doing a whole write up of it for far too long!

As some of you may know, I have joined the facebook group for NGF and have posted some of my more recent bits and pieces there as it's convenient to upload images and videos.

For those of you here I am taking the time now to properly update this thread :D


First off, the GWR terminus is dead......well ok that was a bit dramatic perhaps haha. But in short, there were so many wiring issues, poor running sections and missing rail joiners that I decided to scrub this project.

But don't fear! In its place a new project has been created!

This is roughly 1800mmx600mm (6ft by 2ft) and is also a GWR terminus hahaha :P
This is directly based off the P4 layout Dartley which I absolutely love. As soon as I saw the pointwork and the interesting shunting potential I wanted to make an N gauge variant. There are some minor changes mainly thanks to space available and points I had managed to retrieve from the old layout.

Here is the track plan:
(http://i.imgur.com/Slud2h6.jpg)

And here is the P4 version:



I've created the following diode matrix which could control all the points, but I won't use it like this as it's a little restrictive
(http://i.imgur.com/o57BIit.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/p36Wf5S.jpg)

Finally here are a couple of views of the baseboards and the underside support. The baseboard is sundela board with ply supports and legs. The legs all have feet which are adjustable, and the fiddle yard is connected to the main board by two removable pin hinges. To remove all I need to do is pull the pin and pull back! So easy and it guarantees alignment too.
I cut the legs a foot too long by accident so they are 4ft not 3ft - BUT this has been very useful when laying track and getting underneath! Far less bending over and straining to get to the board.
(http://i.imgur.com/3uCjAQE.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/Rj6RY17.jpg)

I've already added a couple of point motors into the station points and they work well. I managed to pick up 12 seep pm1's from the Gauge O Guild summer get together at Doncaster a few weeks ago for the princely sum of 20 - all pre soldered with a rainbow of wires and each being the same order. It's made understanding seeps a lot easier!

And finally a few images of where the layout is so far! - I suppose it looks a bit like spaghetti, but once there are some features on the layout I'm sure it will look better :)

(http://i.imgur.com/NbWiRvV.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/DejNKyt.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/N8OerWj.jpg)




Title: Re: GWR themed terminus and shunt layout
Post by: PeteW on June 21, 2017, 10:39:23 AM
That looks like a project! Plenty to keep you out of mischief for the foreseeable future.

Looks like you're off to a good start, and basing it on an existing, quality layout seems like a great advantage - I have trouble looking at a trackplan and seeing the railway hidden within. I'm sure we'll all look forward to seeing this develop :thumbsup:.
Title: Re: GWR themed terminus and shunt layout
Post by: mika on June 21, 2017, 02:59:42 PM
Great plan and it looks like you made a good start. You are absolutely right about the beauty of the plan :thumbsup:

Looking forward to the scenic developments.

Cheers
Michael
Title: Re: GWR themed terminus and shunt layout
Post by: Chris in Prague on June 22, 2017, 08:28:24 PM
I'm looking forward to seeing this develop. It's certainly a complex track plan.
Title: Re: GWR themed terminus and shunt layout
Post by: MrDobilina on October 25, 2017, 01:44:48 PM
Hey guys, sorry for the lack of updates. I've had a few issues with wiring and need to get my father in law around to help out. He's a very long way away from us currently so that isn't likely to change anytime soon.

The other issue I have is that we are planning a move to a new city soon. Couple hundred miles from where we are now, so rather than risk doing a lot of work and having it damaged or destroyed in the move I've opted to pause until we are settled down again.

I currently have no idea on the space I'll have when we have moved even so planning ahead is a little tricky too.

I had started to put a bit of scenery in, namely, cutting away the board to make the canal section at the front of the boards.

Hoping to post some more updates before long but as I say, everything is quite up in the air at the moment!
Title: Re: GWR themed terminus and shunt layout
Post by: Chris in Prague on October 25, 2017, 01:49:26 PM
Thanks for the update. I hope all goes well for you and the layout.
Title: Re: GWR themed terminus and shunt layout
Post by: Newportnobby on October 25, 2017, 03:47:28 PM
Good to hear from you and I wish you a smooth and successful move to your new home.
Keep us informed please.
Title: Re: GWR themed terminus and shunt layout
Post by: weave on October 26, 2017, 03:22:26 AM
Hi,

Great stuff. I'd been watching but hadn't replied before. Thought I'd do so as don't want to miss your future achievements.

Good luck with the move and hope you get the space you need.

Cheers weave  :beers:
Title: Re: GWR themed terminus and shunt layout
Post by: Black Sheep on November 14, 2017, 04:22:37 PM
Little bit late to the party, but liking what I see - always in favour of seaside layouts :D

Looking forward to seeing the project progress when you're moved and settled, just don't do what I did and buy a house that needs more work than the layout!

nice weathering too.
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