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Title: The Closet Branch - A Low-Tech Layout.
Post by: dats475 on February 24, 2016, 12:50:43 AM
  :jawdropping:  My layout is small, very small. Just like my brain.  :help:
Main section is 36 inches by 18 inches.
Yard/fiddle section is 36 inches by 6 inches.
"L" shape layout.
For my track plan, I broke the rules that I should follow.
I simply didn't have a room (and money but mostly brain) for it.
I was hesitated to start building it but I convinced myself saying that this is Just "tryout/experiment" layout. I'm glad that I did.  :heart2:
Originally, it had a center backdrop divider but now it resides in my closet without it.
Now my trains are running on my tiny oval track like a hamster on the wheel.
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One day I notice little people (apparently they are about 1/160 of my size) working on my railroad.
And their story goes like this.....New video.
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Happy modelling!!
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Just in case if you want to waste more of your time, my channel is here.
http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCxMwG2GNX3Va9AFLRaNH5xw (http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCxMwG2GNX3Va9AFLRaNH5xw)
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Thank you for reading!!  :camera:(nothing related but I like this guy.)
 :moony: In your face HO!! :NGaugersRule:
Title: Re: A layout in my closet.
Post by: Dock Shunter on February 24, 2016, 01:33:17 AM
What a great little layout. :thumbsup:
Love the vid and the music... :thankyousign:

D.S..... :NGaugersRule:
Title: Re: A layout in my closet.
Post by: Bealman on February 24, 2016, 02:23:00 AM
G'day from Australia, dats475, and welcome to the NGF!  :thumbsup:

Excellent video!  :thumbsup:

Geez mate, what are you in real life? A closet movie director?  ;)

Seriously, great stuff. Welcome aboard.  :beers:
Title: Re: A layout in my closet.
Post by: mr magnolia on February 24, 2016, 07:03:55 AM
Looking forward to watching all of this when I have a bit more time!

Quick question - what is the FRA that is despised by the crew?

Donald
Title: Re: A layout in my closet.
Post by: Newportnobby on February 24, 2016, 09:49:54 AM
Great little vid of a very good shunty layout :thumbsup:
Title: Re: A layout in my closet.
Post by: Webbo on February 24, 2016, 09:59:36 AM
I like it!

The freight car weathering, the sand around the sleepers, and the wire fences are spot on (to name a few items).

Webbo
Title: Re: A layout in my closet.
Post by: scotsoft on February 24, 2016, 11:08:12 AM
Looking forward to watching all of this when I have a bit more time!

Quick question - what is the FRA that is despised by the crew?

Donald

Here you go Donald  ;)

FEDERAL RAILROAD ADMINISTRATION, DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION
RAILROAD LOCOMOTIVE SAFETY STANDARDS

Cheers John.
Title: Re: A layout in my closet.
Post by: maridunian on February 24, 2016, 11:22:43 AM
What a great layout - love the dirt, especially around the cracked paving!

Mike
Title: Re: A layout in my closet.
Post by: cornish yorkie on February 24, 2016, 06:10:09 PM
 :hellosign:  Superb video of excellent layout, thanks for sharing
regards Derek.
Title: Re: A layout in my closet.
Post by: dats475 on February 24, 2016, 10:34:04 PM
Thank you very much for all of you!!
I really appreciate all of your comments.
I didn't know that so many excellent N gauge modelers in every corners of the world! That's truly amazing to me.

FRA is good in their intention but some rules tend make the job more complicated. They recently change the hour of service law that rather confusing, for example.
For defending of FRA, they help us being safe in such a harsh environment and I met a few very good FRA persons on my job and I, personally, don't have any problem with them.
But the "tough guys" the "Rocket" think FRA is......... :unimpressed:

Thank you to all of you again!!

Title: Re: A layout in my closet.
Post by: Bealman on February 25, 2016, 04:58:42 AM
You're very welcome..   in fact your post is good because we have many folk on this forum who are just starting out, and your video shows that you don't need a huge space to have functional and fun layout.

Thanks for posting!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: A layout in my closet.
Post by: mr magnolia on February 26, 2016, 07:03:45 PM
dats


That looks like caboose industry throws on your switches.
Is that right? Can you remember what model you used?
I've thought about these for some of my rear of layout switches, but never quite got around to it.
Thanks!
Donald
Title: Re: A layout in my closet.
Post by: Webbo on February 26, 2016, 09:14:01 PM
dats


That looks like caboose industry throws on your switches.
Is that right? Can you remember what model you used?
I've thought about these for some of my rear of layout switches, but never quite got around to it.
Thanks!
Donald

Donald

I have 5 Caboose Industries throws that are surplus to requirements (#206S N). You can have them for the cost of postage. If interested please send me a PM.

Webbo
Title: Re: A layout in my closet.
Post by: dats475 on February 26, 2016, 11:03:00 PM
Thank you for your reply!
I didn't know that so inspiring to receive a reply from fellow modelers.
I think I used 105R Rigit. I remember that was cheapest one in the hobbie store.
As real Southern Pacific in 80's, my hobby budget is in peril of bankruptcy so cheaper the better.(I know what a shame. I'll start to buy a lottery soon.)
Please be careful, however, to use it on back(Deeper side) of your layout.
My layout is depth of only 18" but I find combersome to use it.
Especially as you are getting more detail and good scenery (utility poles, building etc...) in front the layout more painful became to reach it.
How do I know this?  Well, I have two of them back there and those thing are pain in the neck to use it even 18"!
yes, I am a lazy person and proud of it! :)
In Any case thank you again and Hopefully, I can post more video of my bankrupt layout!
Title: let me put more dirt in there.
Post by: dats475 on February 28, 2016, 09:04:49 PM
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I just ordered low desert sand from Arizona sand & mineral.
When I receive it, I'll try to simulate "piled in the dirt" track of less used branch line.
I've seen some modeler achieved this with a lot of different method and I've tried using plaster but I failed miserably.
Well, I'll figure out eventually and report it back to you.
Title: progress that I didn't make.
Post by: dats475 on March 05, 2016, 08:36:45 AM
I'm still waiting for the low desert soil from the Arizona mineral & sands.( apparently, post office lost it in the mail and They are looking for it now.)
So, my ground rejuvenation project is not progressing.
Now I'm thinking of the backdrop. What kind of the backdrop are you using?
Photo, drawing, just a plain paint or in the between.(Sorry, but you are not allowed to access the gallery)
Title: Re: A layout in my closet.
Post by: Bealman on March 05, 2016, 09:57:04 AM
Yeah, you are possibly right there, but it's heaps better than nothing.

If all else fails, a plain blue backdrop is also better than nothing. Being relatively "old school," I have hand painted jobs which basically go from blue at the top to almost white at the bottom.

Given the location you are modelling, there wouldn't be any hills and stuff in the background anyway?  :hmmm:
Title: Re: A layout in my closet.
Post by: JasonBz on March 09, 2016, 11:33:13 PM
They may be too big clouds for the wide open blue skys of the USA but to my English eyes the look pretty much spot on!
Title: Re: A layout in my closet.
Post by: PostModN66 on March 10, 2016, 06:34:35 AM
Hi Dats475,

A highly creative work - I love it.

Do you have a track plan - or maybe an aerial photo?

And what's the music on this one?

Cheers Jon  :)
Title: Re: A layout in my closet.
Post by: dats475 on March 15, 2016, 01:21:06 AM
Hi, PostModN66.
Thank you for your reply.
Music are Jim Beard's "In the hat" and Weather Report's "B flat waltz".
I made a new move, it's on the YouTube now.
It has photos of my entire layout.
I'll make new thread for the movie later.

Thanks again.

Title: Re: A layout in my closet.
Post by: mr magnolia on March 15, 2016, 04:50:16 PM
I just caught your new one - I'm thinking I'm half way qualified myself, now! Great stuff.

Search you tube for sp closet - it pops right up.

Cheers

Donald
Title: Re: A layout in my closet.
Post by: PostModN66 on March 15, 2016, 06:08:48 PM
Music are Jim Beard's "In the hat" and Weather Report's "B flat waltz".

Thanks  :thankyousign:- just YouTubed it - seems to be actually "D Flat Waltz" - fantastic whatever key it's in!!!

Cheers  Jon  :)
Title: Re: A layout in my closet.
Post by: dats475 on March 15, 2016, 09:31:30 PM
Hello,PostModN66.
Thank you for your reply.
Yes, it is D flat.
I decided to remove all copyrighted music from my videos voluntary.
I felt that I'm stealing something so, the videos are silent now.(except CHiPs theme. I could not remove it somehow)
It's very wired without music but at least I can sleep well tonight!
Anyway, I'll concentrate on backdrop and "making the ground better" projects.
I just got Low Desert soil from Arizona, mineral & sand so, see what happens.
The back portion of my layout looks like moon surface!
Please wish me luck for that!
Cheers.
Title: ground cover.
Post by: dats475 on March 22, 2016, 08:50:56 PM
I reworked the ground little bit. I wanted the less-maintained tracks of the branch line. Left is a siding track that has pileup dirt.
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Title: Testing the backdrop
Post by: dats475 on April 04, 2016, 05:59:30 PM
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Backdrop test
Title: Re: Testing the backdrop
Post by: dannyboy on April 04, 2016, 10:44:59 PM
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Backdrop test

It looks good - is the tree stuck onto the backdrop as there seems to be a bit of a 3D effect?
Title: The backdrop test.
Post by: dats475 on April 05, 2016, 10:40:06 AM
Thank you for your comment, Dannyboy!
I temporary placed a sky poster and cut- off picture from Internet printed ordinary paper. 3D affect is just because its not glued on the place. You gave me an idea though. As you know some modelers make layers of printed pictures, maybe I can do it too.
Still I have to figure out how to hide the seams between two pictures. I tried once before but my artistic disability got on the way, end up with horrible result. Please let me know if you have any good ideas without using the artistic paint skills!!
Title: Re: A layout in my closet- New video. "Railfanning for the relationship therapy"
Post by: dannyboy on April 05, 2016, 03:56:21 PM
We seem to be feeding ideas to each other - just had the thought that if you stuck some trees/hedges etc onto different thicknesses of card, (cut to the same shape as the trees/hedges), and then stuck them on the backscene, you would get a feeling of depth  ???. Will have to try that when I get that far.
Title: Re: A layout in my closet- New video. "Railfanning for the relationship therapy"
Post by: scotsoft on April 06, 2016, 04:15:09 PM
Is that effect you are discussing called decoupage?

Cheers John.
Title: Re: A layout in my closet- New video. "Railfanning for the relationship therapy"
Post by: dannyboy on April 06, 2016, 06:11:30 PM
Just looked at a dictionary - decoupage is shown as  "a decorative technique in which a design is made of cut-out pieces of printed paper glued onto a flat base and then varnished", so it is that, sort of, maybe.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: A layout in my closet- New video. "Railfanning for the relationship therapy"
Post by: dats475 on April 07, 2016, 03:19:12 PM
Thank you for your input, guys!
Well, I don't know what it called the effects but the word sound very intelligence so, I would say "yes".
Anyway, before I can be an intellectual, I need find the pictures to play with. I live 3000 miles away from the location I try to model. That makes very impractical to take the pictures myself.  I heard someone using Google earth for his backdrop.
If you're building the backdrop, please let me know how you're doing it.
Title: Funky switches.
Post by: dats475 on April 20, 2016, 07:26:53 PM
Two of my switches decided to quit working. No electronic current beyond those switches. So I made a new bus wire. Now it functional. Yay!!(Sorry, but you are not allowed to access the gallery)
I don't know how to disguise the wires yet. Any ideas?
Title: Re: A layout in my closet- The Closet Branch. "The Murphy's law"
Post by: Webbo on April 21, 2016, 11:15:29 AM
Don't look great as they are. Would you be better off soldering to the underside of your track joiners and then soldering the track joiner on to one side of the track if you wanted to be assured that every track section was electrified separately? By the way, I like how the sand has drifted over your track especially in the track section at the bottom in the photo.

Webbo
Title: Re: A layout in my closet- The Closet Branch. "The Murphy's law"
Post by: maridunian on April 21, 2016, 12:01:38 PM
I don't know how to disguise the wires yet. Any ideas?
More dirt (filler heaped up) or some scrub vegetation maybe?

Mike
Title: Re: A layout in my closet- The Closet Branch. "The Murphy's law"
Post by: maridunian on April 21, 2016, 01:53:08 PM
I don't know how to disguise the wires yet. Any ideas?

More dirt (filler heaped up) or some scrub vegetation maybe?


Thinking about this some more, how about a dirt road that crosses all the tracks right there ... a bit like this one? (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=28271.msg375748#msg375748)

Mike
Title: Re: A layout in my closet- The Closet Branch. "The Murphy's law"
Post by: dats475 on April 24, 2016, 02:24:17 AM
Hello, thank you very much for your help!
Webbo, your right! I already had the bus wires there but it failed anyway. I couldn't attach those new feeders the underside of track because I have to rip the tracks and I was too lazy to do it!! ...well to be honest, I don't know how to do it without destroying the tracks. That's the truth.
Mike, thank you for your ideas!  I didn't use the crossing idea because I thought my yard tracks are too short to justify having the crossing there. So like you suggested, sand fills and vegetation and debris.
Ideally, car parts are the best. Like brake hoses, brake shoes, etc. But I don't know how I can model those little things.  The yardmaster would be unhappy because those debris are tripping hazard for crews.
I tried to attach a picture but not working. I'll try again later.
Title: Re: A layout in my closet- The Closet Branch. "The Murphy's law"
Post by: dats475 on April 24, 2016, 04:03:57 AM
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The Yardmaster: Hey, who did this!!
Title: Bachmann blues.
Post by: dats475 on April 25, 2016, 06:41:52 PM
Another challenge.
I purchased Bachmann loco with sound in January.
I paid less than half of retail price for a brand new engine at a train show.
I asked a sales person at the show that quality of Bachmann these days and he said that they got a lot better.
I was happy to have my first sound loco until I actually ran it. To be exact, "TRY" to run it. It stalls everywhere!
My question is how can you improve electric contact between tracks to chassis?
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I don't know you can see the contact on the picture but here it is!
P.S. That night I dreamt the salesman said "you'll get what you paid for!! Ha,ha,ha!!".
Title: Re: A layout in my closet- The Closet Branch.
Post by: Webbo on April 26, 2016, 01:25:20 AM
Don't know what model of Bachman you have, but an SD45 would be a guess. This is what Spookshow has to say about this model:

I purchased and returned two of these things before finally (on my third try) figuring out the procedure for getting them to run properly. The thing is, out of the box these locos just flat out refuse to stay running (be it analog or DCC). Clean track, clean wheels, properly adjusted chassis wipers, none of it seems to matter. And the problem is particularly bad in reverse (where the locomotive will stutter along for an inch or two before finally going dark and giving up the ghost altogether - IE time to send out the five-fingered rescue crew).

Now, I don't know if it's the wheel blackening that needs to be worn off, or if it's the drivetrain that needs to be broken in (or some combination of the two), but the solution to all of the stalling problems is simply lots and lots and lots of running time. In my case, it took fully ten hours of roundy-rounding (alternating between forward and reverse) before performance finally smoothed out. And to actually get it to stay running during this break-in period, I had to crank the base track voltage on my DCC system all the way up to 20v (allowing the engine to run fast enough at full throttle such that it could power through all the stalls). Further, mine was delivered with zero lubrication on the gears. Consequently, about halfway through this break-in procedure I had to pull off the trucks in order to grease the gears and oil the bearings (to address some emergant screeching sounds).

Once suitably broken in, these are very nice runners indeed. Throttle response is smooth, slow-speed creep is excellent, the top-end speed is nicely realistic, pulling power is super strong, the lighting looks great (especially as compared to the previous version) and the sound is flat out amazing - easily the best I've yet encountered in N scale. But, wow, ten hours of running time just to get there?

If this is your problem, then the solution seems to be spending quite a lot of time running the loco in. A few years ago, I bought a Broadway Limited Imports E8 that ran abysmally out of the box. Spookshow suggested the blackened wheels might be the culprit. After running in my loco for a couple of hours, cleaning the track & wheels the loco now runs like a charm. The problem with sound locos is that if power is lost even for a split second, the loco goes through its start-up sound sequence which can be very annoying. The solution is to insert a capacitor into the circuit to smooth out the power and to make sure the track etc. is as clean as you can get it.

Hope this helps
Webbo
Title: Re: A layout in my closet- The Closet Branch.
Post by: dats475 on April 26, 2016, 05:57:20 PM
Thank you for your help, Webbo! (and Spookshow too.)
Yes, you're right! It's SD45.
I'll try to run the loco for as long as I can. I don't know that I can run it for full ten hours though.
So, do you think the problem is not the electric contact? I didn't know that blackened wheels have that kind of problem.
I don't know how to boost the voltage on my old zephyr neither but solution is simple enough for me.
Matter of fact, it's a good solution since I like to see my train running!!
I'll report back to you soon.
Thanks again for your help!!

Title: Re: A layout in my closet- The Closet Branch.
Post by: Webbo on April 27, 2016, 02:32:10 AM
Do you have a running-in circuit? If so, I'd couple up your new SD45 with another powerful loco or two and run them together at least till the SD45 can manage a circuit by itself. The second loco will ensure that the whole business keeps moving even if a bit jerkily. Spookshow mentions that lack of lubrication may be a problem with the SD45. Mike Fifer has a video on N scale lubrication that would be worth a gander at if you haven't already seen it. For me his take-home message is that our locos don't really need all that much and that it is mainly the bearings along the length of the drive shaft that need lubing.

Webbo

 ! No longer available (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AlcdWhe6hn4#)
Title: Re: A layout in my closet- The Closet Branch.
Post by: Trent on May 14, 2016, 08:19:43 PM
Loving the atmosphere on this layout. 
Title: Thank you and Bachmann SD45 update.
Post by: dats475 on May 18, 2016, 12:26:23 AM
Thank you very much for your reply, Trent!
Comments from fellow modellers, like you, keep me going with this rather tiny layout. I appreciate it very much!!
Well, I've been running my Bachmann SD45 for awhile.
It's definitely getting better. A problem I have now is the loco stall at one particular swith/point(at medium or fast speed, its stops completely then after one second or so it will start moving again itself)
I checked all electrical contact on the switch and everything fine. Everything in gauge and no kink. In fact, all other locos run through without hitch.
The SD45 will stall only for facing moves(movement towards diverging tracks). It doesn't matter the loco's orientation ("F"end or the long hood forward)
Maybe insulated frog is the culprit (?). Then again all other loco are fine with the frog!
Only I can think is that the switch is slightly bent so SD45's stiff contacts tags are somehow losing contact.
I don't see any obvious warping of the switch though.
Any ideas what is going on???
Title: Re: A layout in my closet- The Closet Branch.
Post by: dats475 on May 21, 2016, 03:56:27 PM
Hello again!
I've been running my SD45 for awhile.
It got running better but still limping at a switch so I added thin springing plates.
Now my SD45 is OK performer!!
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Hard to tell in the pictuer but it has a plate.
Title: Re: A layout in my closet- The Closet Branch.
Post by: mr magnolia on May 21, 2016, 07:15:18 PM
Excuse my ignorance, but what is a thin springing plate?

 :confused2:
Title: Re: A layout in my closet- The Closet Branch.
Post by: dats475 on May 21, 2016, 08:18:57 PM
I apologize my poor description.
I read my previous posting and I don't know what I'm talking myself!!
As probably know already, the Atlas brand (maybe Kato too) locos have thin  power pickup strips that bounce up and down. So it stays constant contact with truck mounted power pickups. It's particularly good for twisting motion while running. I wanted imitate the strips. I think the switch that I have trouble with has a slight warp so SD45's tiny pickup would lose contact with the body. And the track beyond the switch is super-elevated for a curvature. That's not helping either.
Did I make better explanation?
Now excuse me, I need to go finding my railroad socks!!  ;)
Title: Re: A layout in my closet- The Closet Branch.
Post by: dannyboy on May 22, 2016, 11:59:39 AM
Excuse my ignorance,

 :confused2:

That's two of us then  :) what is a springing plate  ???
Title: Re: A layout in my closet- The Closet Branch.
Post by: dats475 on May 22, 2016, 12:35:31 PM
I know, I know!! Sorry folks!! The Ignorance is mine!!
Anyway, I learned a few important stuff from this experience.
1: If you run a loco with high speed on tiny layout oval track, it makes you dizzy.
2: If you have stinky feet, those will creates critical smelling hazard condition in the closet.(That's why Mr magnolia's the railroad socks concept is important.)
3: I definitely use Electro- frog switches for a future project!!

Happy modelling, guys!!
Title: Re: A layout in my closet- The Closet Branch.
Post by: GaryAlan on May 22, 2016, 12:49:17 PM
a pair of  :NGaugersRule: socks would be cool
Title: Re: A layout in my closet- The Closet Branch.
Post by: dannyboy on May 22, 2016, 01:38:17 PM
a pair of  :NGaugersRule: socks would be cool

Seconded  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: A layout in my closet- The Closet Branch.
Post by: dats475 on May 22, 2016, 02:05:23 PM

a pair of  :NGaugersRule: socks would be cool

Thirded...... By necessity.
Title: Re: A layout in my closet- The Closet Branch.
Post by: dats475 on May 29, 2016, 10:52:05 PM
Hello again.
My SD45 sound is way too loud. When I run it the sound everywhere in the closet. Yes, my closet is too small!!
What? What did you said?  Still dealing with this loco?.....yes I am.

I couldn't change SD45's volume though. Bachmann's website said CV128 but my DCC program read back said value 0 and the volume doesn't change. So I searched on the web for more.
A person said you have to use "blast mode". (What?! What mode?!!)
I just followed the steps but still not changing.
So I said "forget all of this". Then I decided to use sophisticated method for the solution.
"The masking tape"!!
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Now the volume is just right and runs OK.
One question remain, what the blast mode?



 
Title: Re: A layout in my closet- The Closet Branch.
Post by: Caz on May 30, 2016, 11:30:08 AM
Blast mode is extremely dangerous as it links the programming side of the DCC controller to the power side to put extra umph for programming.  You have to place the loco on the main track, not the programming track and that's why it is dangerous as if you DON'T remove all other locos they will ALL get programmed the same way.   :doh:
Title: Re: A layout in my closet- The Closet Branch.
Post by: dats475 on May 30, 2016, 02:26:18 PM
Thank you very much for your help, Caz!
Please bear with me. I just want to make sure that I understand "Blast mode" correctly.
I don't need to swap the wires from regular power wires to programing wires when I try to use the mode, right?
I mean wire hookup to the layout is same but change the settings of DCC command station to the Blast mode. So I can do it on the layout track. Not in the programing track. Am I right?
You use it when you need extra power. Is that correct too?
I'm using Digitrax DCS 50.(Old version Zephyr)
I didn't see the Blast mode on their manual.

One more question. When I turn off the Zephyr, l see a light flash on my Zeyphr's power light and loco's head lights on the layout. It looks like a jolt of power is going through there while shutting down. Do I need worry about that? Or I need circuit breaker or something???
I'm sorry if I'm not making this clear, but hey, I know you're smart. You can guess what I'm talking about, right?

What!!  Who said that DCC is a waste of technology for my tiny layout?!! Let me tell you something..... Ah....you're right!

I like the name "Blast mode". Feel like I'm blasting something. Cool!!
Title: Re: A layout in my closet- The Closet Branch.
Post by: Caz on May 31, 2016, 08:24:45 AM
I've only used blast mode programming once and that was by mistake as I pressed the wrong option switch.  Ttook me ages to reprogram all my other locos as I'd then gone into programming a loco on the programming track not realising I was in blast mode and programming that loco programmed everything the same.   :-[

I'm not sure what the option switch is on the old DCS50 Zephyr is (maybe the same) but I believe it can be done on it as well.  On the current DCS51 Zephyr it is Option Switch 7 and here's a a bit of info I gleaned some while ago from the Yahoo Digitrax group.  It makes the whole layout one big programming track so use it VERY carefully.

"Blast mode programming turns your Zephyr into a mini Empire builder broadcast programmer. You can put the Zephyr into Blast Mode by Closing Option Switch 7 on the Zephyr. Changing option switches is covered in the Zephyr manual but Blast mode is not documented. Once the Zephyr is in blast mode, remove all engines from your track and leave only the one you want to program on the track. Go ahead and enter Direct programming mode and try programming. Blast mode uses full power to program just like the Empire Builder. When finished, Throw option switch 7 to turn off blast mode. You do not want to leave the Zephyr in blast mode. "

Here's a link to the subject on Digitrax's website, it gives full instructions.  http://www.digitrax.com/tsd/programming/programming-mobile-decoders/programming-modes/blast-mode-zephyr-systems-only/ (http://www.digitrax.com/tsd/programming/programming-mobile-decoders/programming-modes/blast-mode-zephyr-systems-only/)
Title: Re: A layout in my closet- The Closet Branch.
Post by: dats475 on June 06, 2016, 03:43:20 PM
Hi, Caz.
Thank you so much for the link. That's very big help for me. I'll report it back to you how the loco and blast mode programing are doing.
Meanwhile this is the latest activity on  my tiny train crews.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SrtxxFABY3A (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SrtxxFABY3A)
Title: Re: A layout in my closet- The Closet Branch.
Post by: mr magnolia on June 06, 2016, 07:27:37 PM
Meanwhile this is the latest activity on  my tiny train crews.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SrtxxFABY3A (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SrtxxFABY3A)

Dats entertainment....
I take my sox off to you.

Thanks for the show!

Donald
Title: Re: A layout in my closet- The Closet Branch.
Post by: Webbo on June 07, 2016, 12:19:44 AM
Another great one dats.

I particularly like the view of your layout from about 2/3 of the way in to your video. What does it look like in the other direction?

Webbo
Title: Re: A layout in my closet- The Closet Branch.
Post by: dats475 on June 12, 2016, 11:04:39 PM
Thank you for your time, mr magnolia.
Did you find a southern pacific sox? I need it bad!!

Thank you webbo. I tried upload a picture but I'm getting error. I'll learn how to do it later.(I'll read how to thread)




Title: Re: A layout in my closet- The Closet Branch.
Post by: dats475 on June 13, 2016, 01:04:07 AM
This is the other side of my layout. A pile of  tools, locks and junks.
Yes, I cheated by clean up a little bit. Usually way more messy this area.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/40/5197-130616005948.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=40994)
Title: Re: A layout in my closet- The Closet Branch.
Post by: dats475 on July 26, 2016, 10:08:22 PM
Hello!
I finally bought something. I wanted a Roundhouse SP boxcar for my father's day present.
As always, my budget was the problem. I made bid on three different auctions but I lost all of them. Then there was an auction of unknown brand SP boxcar and I won the bid.
It looks OK to me. The brand name is BCH. I have no idea who they are.
How do you think?

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/42/5197-260716215921.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=42344)

By the way, this is why I like Roundhouse boxcars.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/42/5197-260716220418.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=42345)
Left is Roundhouse boxcar, right is Fox valley boxcar.
Both of them are straight from the box. You can see Roundhouse boxcar rides low. Plus they are three times cheaper!!

A little addition to my layout. The derail!!
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/42/5197-260716222645.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=42349)
Every industries should have a derail for protecting mainline. Now I have to watch out when I switching the industry.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/42/5197-260716223210.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=42352)
Title: Re: A layout in my closet- The Closet Branch.
Post by: Webbo on July 27, 2016, 01:39:30 AM
Thanks for the photos dats

Just finished having a look around for Roundhouse rolling stock and it seems to be limited nowadays due to the company (MDC Roundhouse) being sold off. What there is does seem to be inexpensive though. I'm intrigued by the low riding box you show in the second picture. Has this been fitted with body mounted couplers? Dan at PWRS has told me that his North American Railcar Corporation is thinking about going to body mounts to reduce the ride heights of their rolling stock to more prototypical levels. Some of the NARC cars are already body mounts. To me, the problem really only shows up when you have two cars together one lowered and the other sitting on Micro-Trains trucks.

Your derailer is a nice touch, but would not work for me as I'm sure to forget it's there till my rolling stock started coming off the rails.

Webbo
Title: Re: A layout in my closet- The Closet Branch.
Post by: dats475 on July 28, 2016, 11:55:08 PM
Hi, Webbo. How are you doing?
Thank you for your comment as always.
Quote
Has this been fitted with body mounted couplers?
Cool! I figured out how to use a quote.
The answer is just ordinary truck mounted one.
Nothing that I wanted but I needed truck mount because of my suicidal track plan. I have "don't-do-it" 8" radius curvature. The truck mounted, however, can take it and couples no problem!  Only body mount couplers that I own are on engines and cabooses. They have a tough time couplings on the curve. In this case, the operation quality is more important than looks so truck mounted it is!  I don't know about you but if it doesn't couple or runs well, I I'll get blue and sentimental  rather quick and will get urge to destroy everything like 3 years old boy.( :help:)
Anyway, the riding height makes big different doesn't it?
As you mentioned the trend is body-mounted couplers I believe. I have two Wheels of time flat cars which have body-mounted. Their detail quality is amazing but I can't run in my layout.
How about yours? Do you like body-mounted better?
And have you ever tried to lower the height of a car?
Thank you again.

PS. I finally painted my backdrop sky which include LA's synonym "smog" but didn't come out good.
Title: Re: A layout in my closet- The Closet Branch.
Post by: Webbo on July 29, 2016, 04:18:42 AM
90% of my freight cars have truck mounted couplers and I'm perfectly happy with this situation. As you say, body mounts have problems on tight curves and modern freight cars such as your flats have big overhangs between the trucks and the car ends making body mounts especially problematic on such curves. Body mounts on 40' boxcars would be less of a problem. According to my N scale manual, body mounts are more prototypical (obvious) and perform better if you have to back up a long train especially round a curve. Truck mounts go round tight curves in the forward direction better.

As for ride height, it seems that the typical N scale boxcar rides a little higher than the prototype. To lower the ride height one would have to file down the truck pivot then there would be a problem with the coupler interfering with the end of the car so more filing would be required there. To do this sounds like a fair bit of fiddly work for negligible gain. 

Webbo
Title: Re: A layout in my closet- The Closet Branch.
Post by: dats475 on July 30, 2016, 03:50:44 PM
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if you have to back up a long train especially round a curve. Truck mounts go round tight curves in the forward direction better.
Hi, Webbo. Thank you for your reply.
For back up moves, I can't comment for a long trains but for 10-16 car trains, I found lighter weight of a car makes more problems than body mounted or truck mounted couplers.
My new BCH boxcar is super light weight so I added two nuts.(I found spear bolts and nuts on my tool box.) I'll add a picture later.
I agree about lower the height of cars. Because of my super tight curves. I'm sure it wouldn't negotiate it if I lower the trucks. Probably the car body itself or floor detailing will prevent from extream truck swinging which I need.
Have you ever need to add weight to your cars?
Webbo, are you able to run a long train? If you do, please let me know how those couplers behave.
 :wave:
Dats
Title: Re: A layout in my closet- The Closet Branch.
Post by: Webbo on July 31, 2016, 01:20:17 AM
Hi Dats

I'm running trains with 30 or hoppers sometimes and have no problems with derailments in the forward direction. Pushing trains of this length sometimes causes a problem so I avoid doing this. The minimum track radius on my mainline is 18", but I'm certain with tighter radius curves backing up would be even a greater problem. The flange sizes on the wheels has a lot to do with this. Finescale flanges as some MT cars have are much more prone to derailment when backing trains than are the regular wheels (I'm told).

Adding weight is something I've only had to do with freight car kits that are made completely out of plastic and are pretty light. Your standard MT or Intermountain freight car comes with a metal frame so seem to have enough weight as they are. I suspect that the biggest problems would occur when pushing trains with light weight cars mixed into heavier cars.

Webbo 
Title: Re: A layout in my closet- The Closet Branch.
Post by: dats475 on August 01, 2016, 02:15:16 PM

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/42/5197-010816140540.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=42458)
No budget work.
My wallet is as light as my new car, so the weights are junks from my tool box. :headbang:
Did you do  any low budget project lately?
Title: Re: The Closet Branch-A layout in my closet.
Post by: outofgauge on August 01, 2016, 09:56:55 PM
Looks near enough to me ! Leaves more money to either enjoy life or put in the savings box for that special buy youve always wanted. Will you glue them or use double sided tape so theres no accidents ????
Title: Re: The Closet Branch-A layout in my closet.
Post by: Montignac. on August 03, 2016, 09:17:04 PM
 :wonderfulmodelling: :greatwork: :superblayout: :jealous:
Title: Re: The Closet Branch-A layout in my closet.
Post by: dats475 on August 08, 2016, 04:43:17 PM
Hello.
Hi, outofgauge. Thank you for your reply. I should have ask you before I glued the weights!! Double sided tape is much better!!  :doh:
That's one of evidence that my low IQ and low budget are deadly combination. I'll think about it better before glueing something next time.

Thank you very much for a lot of smiling face, Montignac. I can't wait to see your modelling too.
Thank you again for your time reading this.

Well, not much of progress in summer but I took pictures.
Here is one of them.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/42/5197-080816162415.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=42721)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/42/5197-080816171851.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=42722)
Three engines yay!!
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: Jillingsbri on August 08, 2016, 07:58:57 PM
 :thankyousign: What a brilliant set of Vid's. Really enjoyed watching the trains shunting and reading the attached storyline. Sound tracks are great too, as is  your sense of humour..Love it all. Just shows what can be done in a small space.   :claphappy:  Cheers man, and thanks again for the entertainment. Beats the rubbish on tv here ;)!  Brian.
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: outofgauge on August 08, 2016, 08:12:31 PM
Yo dats-dont keep putting yourself down -you must have a brain and a good iQ to create such a good masterpiece -it may be small but its perfectly formed -the detail is there in plenty -so youve got the eye ! Ive seen bigger layouts with a lot less detail than yours ! As for budget -well if you aint got one then your doing miracles -what would you do with a wallet full ? The mind boggles!!!!! Keep going your inspiring loads of us !!!

Neil
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: Webbo on August 09, 2016, 01:07:29 AM
I too am a great fan of his layout.

On bigger layouts the attention to detail is usually more spread out giving smaller layouts a potential advantage in this department. Nevertheless, the detail and colours (and videos) represented look just right and attest to the exceptional skill, creativity, and eye of dats.

Webbo
Title: Re: The Closet Branch-A layout in my closet.
Post by: Montignac. on August 09, 2016, 11:38:46 AM
I can't wait to see your modelling too.
:sorrysign: Not a chance ! I'm happy with an oval, one train and a DC power supply. That's all !
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - Operation.
Post by: dats475 on August 10, 2016, 11:00:01 PM
Thank you so much for your kind words, guys. I really do appreciate it!!  :'(
I'm learning great deal with you guys!! Thank you again!

One of reasons that my layout doesn't progress at all is I actually playing with my trains on the layout. When I have a 15minutes to play with trains, I'll use this method.
This is a most simplest form of operation that I'm enjoying in short Solo operation Session.
It's basically let cards decide the order of train and just shunting cars around.

Preparation.
Put 4 cars of your choice plus a tank car. Total of 5 cars on the yard.
You need make 4 identical cards such as back of business cards. Write the car’s initial and last three numbers on each cards except a tank car. (you don't need a card for the tank car.)
Shuffle and pick those cards to determine the car order that you'll assemble. (I like this “pick cards” system more than using a dice because you might get same number over and over on a dice.)

The tank car is consider a  “Hazmat car” so always be the 3rd car on the consist as per safety regulation.
Now, write the order on a piece of paper. That’s your Switch List.
You can make up different switch lists ahead of time to save more time.

Scenario.
You showed up at the yard office on time for your assignment sing-up time. Say hello to your crews. Go through today’s bulletin orders, a division notice and any paper works that indicates operation restrictions and revisions on your territory then you sign in the register.
After that, you went to talk to the Yardmaster for any unusual restriction on the yard. He talks about some gossips and scratches his “hind end” and finally said everything normal today. He handed to you today’s switch list without washing his hands. 
Your crews have received an authority to use entire yard from the Yardmaster since your crew is the only one working in the yard. You can assemble your train on any yard track.
Exception is a track where a caboose is sitting. You can't go there because a Blue flag is protecting the caboose for maintenance until the train’s departure. 
Your crews and you went to the engine house. The engine house foreman came over said something about an alternator keep messing up on one of engines which you don't care.
Now, your turn to work.

Variation.
You can change total car numbers if you like. (Tank car is always in the middle of the consist for safety rule purpose.)
You can add more idling cars sitting in the yard that are not part of the train which make more complicated situation when you assemble your train. They might be out bound cars or storage cars.
You can bring a “transfer train” or a “through train” to the yard dropping those cars on a yard track before you start shunting.
Also, you can make the switch list more authentic using actual railroad template instead of a piece of paper.
But I want to make everything simple here. I have only 15 minutes to play.
This is solely focused on a part of yard job. If you're working on a yard job, you really don't care about which car has what commodity or where they go. You just assemble a train in right order for a local job guys that take over the train later.

How I Play.
I always have a few different switch lists made up, so I pick one list and grab an engine which doesn't have a Blue flag display from the engine house and I'm ready to go.
I usually sip a cup of coffee or tea while shunting.
I don't care much about how many moves I make or how efficiently I assemble.
I do my best to think ahead for moves but relaxation is more important here.
When I do this quick operation, I usually run a train on my oval track so I can look at it time to time while shunting.
For me, somehow a roundy round train makes me relax.

I do use car-cards and waybills system and dispatcher cards for more complete solo operation that involves the dispatcher and a local job which actually delivers and pick up cars from industrial Spurs.
Naturally, those sessions take much longer to finish the whole cycle. (Although, I can stop a session at any time and continue it later.)

How do you think and how do you run your trains?

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/42/5197-100816230354.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=42764)
Car cards



(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/42/5197-100816230458.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=42765)
Switch list



(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/42/5197-100816230552.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=42766)
Blue flag protection.



(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/42/5197-100816230646.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=42767)
Time to shunt.
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: Webbo on August 11, 2016, 12:27:19 AM
Very interesting

It just goes to show how there are many different ways to think about and enjoy model railroading.

For me, I've only my main line and two passing tracks built and operational so far. The focus is on running longish trains in both directions through this track set up. Have been spending my time making scenery, but am gradually approaching the section where my town and yard will be. Certainly, this thread gives me some ideas on how I might set up my operational yard (as opposed to my storage, i.e. fiddle, yard which is already constructed). I'm now thinking that the 'town' will be quite minimal with a few enterprises only to serve the industrial operations including a fast food joint and a motel behind a small station building.

Webbo
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: maridunian on August 12, 2016, 03:48:08 PM
I don't care much about how many moves I make or how efficiently I assemble.
I do my best to think ahead for moves but relaxation is more important here.
When I do this quick operation, I usually run a train on my oval track so I can look at it time to time while shunting.


Hi Dats - yes, I also like to run one train continuously whilst shunting the yard. I'm fascinated the way you schedule the shunting (switching?) - at my mine (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=28271.msg310483#msg310483), most of the wagons are similar, just empty or loaded, but I can see that introducing some maintenance problems (as if I don't have enough real ones!) will make even that job more interesting!

Mike
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - Operation.
Post by: texhorse on August 14, 2016, 09:38:42 AM


After that, you went to talk to the Yardmaster for any unusual restriction on the yard. He talks about some gossips and scratches his “hind end” and finally said everything normal today. He handed to you today’s switch list without washing his hands. 


Oh Man, sounds like the same yardmaster who worked at South Pine. 

Andy
UK
 :claphappy:
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - Operation.
Post by: dats475 on August 15, 2016, 05:05:10 AM
Hi, Webbo. Thank you for your time reading my thread. I'm jealous that you can run long trains on your layout. A long train can't physically fit on small layout but larger layout can contain small layout elements. I think you have an advantage there.
You can have a quick shunting session on your siding if you wish to. Or you can simply enjoy the timetable and train order or some sort of operation. Although my understanding is that those are not a modern railroad practice.
It would be nice to see a hot shot train taking over a slow drag unit train or a merchandise forwarder.  :jealous:

Hi, Maridunian.
Thank you for your comment.
I don't know what kind of phycological effect but somehow those roundy round trains make me relax. Especially my train is running smoothly with slow prototypical speed. Would you agree?

Hello, Andy. Thank you for your reply.
I was told that the Closet yard's Yardmaster has a brother who works at railroad yard in Indiana.
Apparently, the brother makes more money and driving better car than the Closet Yardmaster. You really shouldn't mention him about his brother unless you're ready to listen his nagging for half-hour.
By the way how's your layout? Anything changed?

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/42/5197-150816050709.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=42982)
Mr.Yardmaster at work? Or just being there.


More about the Operation.
I have rule #1 and rule #2.
My rule #2 is "apply prototype railroad practice on my layout as much as you can". But rule #2 can not take over rule #1. Always rule #1 dominates.
I started rule #2 by deciding geographical location and era (we all naturally do this while planning the layout) then I designated the directions by following my prototype railroad practice which is Southern Pacific.
For example, on SP system all trackage are designated West or East even where the tracks geographically running North or South. Next naming everything on my layout trackage. I mean everything!! Just like real railroads.
Next step was deciding mileposts of all physical characteristics locations. This will be indication of how compress your "track mileage" would be. If you  compress a lot, you can model locations that far away each other. If you compress less, you can focus one region well.(I tried to emphasise this on my "Qualifying the Closet " video.)

I'll take some pictures when I playing with full length  operation next time. Well, then again I might staring roundy round trains as per rule #1. :camera:

PS. I still don't know how Buddy list works on forum. Please let me know what it does.
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: texhorse on August 15, 2016, 08:03:09 AM
Ha ha ha ha!  That looks like Marv Dunphy, the yardmaster at South Pine, alright!  He's fond of egg sandwiches as well, which no doubt endears him to his colleagues when they are sitting in the offices on a slow afternoon....

Actually, yes I have made some alterations to the layout since my last video.  I have two new locos, have had four others come back, all with decoders installed (thanks to Bob the Bear if he's reading, or even a member here).

Also, I have finished a new junction in South Pine so that trains can go to the Roxo Plastics Packaging plant.  This opens up a new operation where a hopper full of pellets is delivered to Roxo.  It only takes a half hour to empty.  Then the hopper is moved away.  Next, a couple of box cars are put into the siding to pick up finished products.  These are the plastic inserts you will find in TV dinners or microwave meals, or anything else where plastic food packaging is used.

Next the box cars are switched to the main yard and to Doyle Silver Group.  There, the remainder of the space in the cars is filled with cardboard food sleeve packaging, flatpacked on pallets.  Then those two cars will leave on the next train out.

I am in the process of making a video of all this, and it will be up and running before long, I'm sure....

Andy
UK
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: maridunian on August 15, 2016, 11:56:15 AM
Hi, Maridunian.
Thank you for your comment.
I don't know what kind of phycological effect but somehow those roundy round trains make me relax. Especially my train is running smoothly with slow prototypical speed. Would you agree?


Well, it's relaxing when it is running smoothly - I have lots of old Minitrix 0-6-0 (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=31053.msg353768#msg353768) and 0-4-0 (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=28320.msg311126#msg311126) locos, and some of my trackwork isn't as kind as it could be, so occasional stalling occurs. My current layout (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=28271.msg310483#msg310483) features changes of height and some very tight curves, and quite a long tunnel where it's tricky to keep the rails clean and to rescue stalled engines, so letting trains "just run" can still be quite stressful!

I'm tweaking the layout gradually, cleaning locos more often, have a track-cleaning train set up, and am building some "tender trucks" (http://www.railuk.info/gallery/notes/getimage.php?id=685) and "shunters' trucks" (http://www.didcotrailwaycentre.org.uk/wagons/100377/100377pic_01.html) with their own power pickups to permanently couple to these locos.

Hopefully I'll be able to relax eventually!

Mike
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: dats475 on August 17, 2016, 05:36:03 PM
Hello, Andy. Thank you for your comment as usual.

You said what?!! Two more loco's?!!... :jealous:
One thing I admire about your work is you're not afraid of changing things. I can see your track placement and scenery are getting more and more US-prototypical arrangement in every new videos. I'm very impressed about that!!
Do you have a track plan written out if you do I'd like to see that!!
I'm more hesitant to change things.
Also, I'd like to know more details on your scratch/parts bashed MHRR loco.
It looks like MHRR is competing good with all US class 1's.

Hi, maridunian. Thank you very much for your comment.
Yes, it's a quite bit of  frustration when loco stalls.
On my layout,
potential stalling locations on my layout are switches and one place where a slight out of gauge track joint. All of my switches are insulated frogs.(because those were bargain sale.) Next time I definitely use Electro- frogs.
I soldered all joints.
In retrospective, I should  not have solder switches so I can replace them later I need to. (I trimmed my switches to save the space so I don't even know I can do that.) :headbutt:
For out of gauge problem, I'm planning to solder the rails to PC tie if it gets worse. I used spikes for temporary solution.

My locomotives are from Atlas, Intermountain, Micro trains and Bachmann loco with sound. Only Bachmann loco gives me a constant headache.
I can't speak for different manufacturers but It seems to me that all of stalling problem are on electrical pick ups. I noticed where the tracks are slightly warped (twisted side warps), some pick up system wouldn't work well...like Bachmann loco. Atlas locos can manage with that kind of truck swivels because of pick up strips they have...I think.

I do have deadly tight curves too. To my surprise, all of my loco's can negotiate them well even 6 axles!! Well, it looks pretty ridiculous though.

I experimented with transmission oil for improving the electrical conductivity yesterday. The result was "Didn't work".  :'(
The rail head got so dirty right away, a loco started stalling. I suspect that dirt of rolling stocks got loosen and distributed. End up with cleaning with alcohol as I've been doing it before.
Maybe I applied too much oil... Well, I don't know.
That's leading to a question. How do you clean rolling stocks wheels? What is the option of the most effective way to do it? All of my rollingstocks have plastic wheels.

Another question, can you trim a peco switch to shortened the overall length?
Peco tracks are relatively expensive in US. Although, a lot of experienced modellers are using Peco in US, I never have had the opportunity to use one. If I need to replace a switch, I'm planning to change to Poco.
I have read in this forum said "don't to use set track switch".
Is it really that bad? Can US 6 axles loco negotiate the set track switch?

No progress on my layout.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/43/5197-170816194734.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=43023)
An evening on the Closet Branch.
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: texhorse on August 18, 2016, 04:47:04 PM
Hello, Andy. Thank you for your comment as usual.

You said what?!! Two more loco's?!!... :jealous:
One thing I admire about your work is you're not afraid of changing things. I can see your track placement and scenery are getting more and more US-prototypical arrangement in every new videos. I'm very impressed about that!!
Do you have a track plan written out if you do I'd like to see that!!
I'm more hesitant to change things.
Also, I'd like to know more details on your scratch/parts bashed MHRR loco.
It looks like MHRR is competing good with all US class 1's.


Yes Dats, you read that right.  Two more new locos are running on the layout, one new Union Pacific, and one new SOO loco.  I'll show them both in the next video.  I now have 77 to choose from.  WAAAAAY too many, but I'm hooked.  What can I say?  Never be afraid to change your layout, whether it be trackwork or scenery.  You can always change it again a few months later if your plan didn't work out.  Nothing should be set in stone. 

I don't have a trackplan, I'm afraid.  If you look through my videos, you can pretty much see every inch of the layout now. 

I'm not sure what you see with the Montrose and Highland Railroad locos.  I haven't bashed them or modified them much at all.  I have three SD40-2s, a C44-9W and soon an SD70ACe.  They are pretty much standard locos, just repainted and with custom decals.  Anyone can do it.
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My locomotives are from Atlas, Intermountain, Micro trains and Bachmann loco with sound. Only Bachmann loco gives me a constant headache.


I only ever had one Bachmann N Scale US loco.  It's currently in pieces in a drawer.  I doubt it will run ever again.  Very poor.  Just as poor as Bachmann British locos, almost.


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I experimented with transmission oil for improving the electrical conductivity yesterday. The result was "Didn't work".  :'(
The rail head got so dirty right away, a loco started stalling. I suspect that dirt of rolling stocks got loosen and distributed. End up with cleaning with alcohol as I've been doing it before.
Maybe I applied too much oil... Well, I don't know.


A word of advice for you :  If you ever put liquid anything on your rail heads, wipe it back off again before you run the trains.  I put Goo Gone on my rails, but wipe it off again before running.  It attracts dust, gunk, anything in the air, between the sleepers or off the wheels of your stock, and holds it.  Alcohol is different, as it quickly evapourates.


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That's leading to a question. How do you clean rolling stocks wheels? What is the option of the most effective way to do it? All of my rollingstocks have plastic wheels.


I clean all the wheels of my locos and stock using Goo Gone.  In fact, one of my videos, Number 8, highlights this. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lT9mdLpfU2M (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lT9mdLpfU2M)



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I have read in this forum said "don't to use set track switch".
Is it really that bad? Can US 6 axles loco negotiate the set track switch?

No progress on my layout.
([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/43/5197-170816194734.jpeg[/url]) ([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=43023[/url])
An evening on the Closet Branch.


I have a couple of Settrack Peco switches, or points as we call them.  They are ugly looking things!  I only use them where I don't have room for anything else.  Also, as they have insulated frogs, short wheelbase locos will stop dead on them.

I always try and use Electrofrog points.  Even using those, after a while, locos will stall on them, as they get dirty.  The only way to help with this is to use an electric point motor, or I prefer to use Tam Valley Frog Juicers.  I highly recommend them.

Andy
UK
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: dats475 on August 19, 2016, 09:35:43 PM
Hi, Andy. before I'm going to say thank you to your reply, really??!! Wow! Astonishing!!
77 locos??!! I'm super jealous now!! I knew you have a large number of locos but 77, I mean seventy seven locos in N gauge/scale!! You have 70 more locos than me! If I have that kind of collection, I would smiling all day everyday!!
It must be wonderful to have them and enjoy them running. Very inspiring, Andy.
The loco that I ask was in MHRR video #21. You mentioned that you made the loco from "spares and scraps". The one with MHRR scheme. I'd like to know details of how did you assembled it...

Transmission oil.... Well, I saw a guy on YouTube using it. He said put the oil on track and let your train distribute It.
I think like a graphite stick...I guess.
Didn't work on layout though.

About cleaning the rollingstock's wheels.
I've been doing is putting a paper towel with alcohol on a piece track. Then rolling a car on top of it. It doesn't clean perfectly.
I'll be honest, I don't clean very often.
 I just wondering if there any other method that more effective.
Any ideas? (Anybody reading this, please help.)

I can't get over it. 77!! Wow!!
Finally, thank you Andy. I'm looking forward to seeing your video #33!

I have nothing to share so I'm going to show off my three (out of seven) engine. My modelling era is early 1980's and all information are from 1981 Southern Pacific Review magazine.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/43/5197-190816211148.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=43044)
SD40T-2
SP class EF630-11
Built in 1980
Model made by Intermountain.
Oh yes!! Very beefy.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/43/5197-190816211650.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=43045)
SD45T-2
SP class EF636C-6
Built in 1972
Model made by Intermountain.
EMD's 20 cylinders monster.
I should weather to make this more older appearance than my SD40T-2.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/43/5197-200816001125.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=43049)
B30-7
SP class GF430-C1
Built in 1980
Model made by Atlas.
GE's revolutionary "Dash7" technology. Fuel eating  machine.
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: M0NTIGNAC on August 20, 2016, 07:08:06 AM
 :greatpicturessign:
Nice diesel. I always liked big diesels and big trucks.
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: maridunian on August 20, 2016, 07:45:12 AM
Hi Dats

I have  one of these (http://www.gaugemaster.com/item_details.asp?code=M66623) which is good for cleaning the driven wheels of locos. For other rolling stock I use a Q-Tip soaked in alcohol or a toothpick for stubborn bits.

The Peco points vary quite a bit. You might be able to trim 1cm or so from some, but it would be asking for trouble, I feel.

Mike
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: texhorse on August 20, 2016, 01:44:08 PM
Hi Dats, and Mike!  I have one of those wire brush thingies as well.  They work just fine, but it's not my favourite method of cleaning the wheels.

I like your locos Dats!  I have a DVD here which shows SP locos moving snow off Donner Pass.  It's fascinating.  The locos they use are '45s, similar to yours.

Yes, 77 locos.  Waaaayy too many.  My plan eventually is to emigrate to the US and have one of those big basement layouts we all like to see.  If I've got the locos and stock already, perhaps it won't be quite such an expensive project.

I know which loco you mean now.  It's my 4417.  I bought the chassis as a non runner from NCE directly, yes, THE NCE company.  It was originally a test loco of theirs.  When I got it, I could see the only reason it didn't run was that it had none of those brass pick ups that go on the trucks.  So I got a couple of those off ebay.  When the loco was running, I bought an unpainted bodyshell and put the old "Blood, Custard and Tomato Juice" livery on it.  Then I decaled it, sealed the decals and then weathered it.  I wish I had not weathered it, as I don't like the end result too much.

Anyway, that's the story behind 4417.

I have just bought a UP SD70ACe from a member of the N Scale Forum.  It's on its way from California.  When it gets here, it's getting the same colour scheme as above, and being renumbered.

Andy
UK
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: Agrippa on August 20, 2016, 02:01:57 PM
Hi Dats

I have  one of these ([url]http://www.gaugemaster.com/item_details.asp?code=M66623[/url]) which is good for cleaning the driven wheels of locos. For other rolling stock I use a Q-Tip soaked in alcohol or a toothpick for stubborn bits.

The Peco points vary quite a bit. You might be able to trim 1cm or so from some, but it would be asking for trouble, I feel.

Mike



I have used a cotton bud soaked in gin, I  was given a bottle of gin
as a present,  but hate the smell and taste of it......... :(
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: maridunian on August 20, 2016, 10:45:14 PM
Quote from: maridunian link=topic=32034.msg398457#msg398457 date=147167551r.com/item_details.asp?code=M66623
For other rolling stock I use a Q-Tip soaked in alcohol or a toothpick for stubborn bits.
I have used a cotton bud soaked in gin, I  was given a bottle of gin
as a present,  but hate the smell and taste of it......... :(

A botanical railway then - cheers!

Mike
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: dats475 on August 21, 2016, 02:28:26 AM
Hello guys, thank you for your input.

Hi, M0NTIGNAC.
Yes, I really like the Tunnel motors.(were big engine at the time) To me, somehow they always have to be MU'd. Otherwise they look awkward. Too bad that my layout is too small for those engines.

Hi, Mike.
Thank you for your information. Since I'm the one asked the question, l have to actually start to clean the wheels!! All of my rollingstocks wheels are quite dirty at this moment.
Have you ever tried the metal wheels? I heard they stay clean longer.(???)

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Yes, 77 locos.  Waaaayy too many.  My plan eventually is to emigrate to the US and have one of those big basement layouts we all like to see.  If I've got the locos and stock already, perhaps it won't be quite such an expensive project.

Hi, Andy.
Sounds like a good plan to me!!
But wait!! Then who is going to deliver Hattons package to modellers in UK? Mail system would collapse without you! You make me worry.. First about officer Bart then now this!!
A very interesting story MHRR 4417 has. thank you for sharing!!

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I have used a cotton bud soaked in gin, I  was given a bottle of gin
as a present,  but hate the smell and taste of it..

Hello, Agrippa.
For wheel cleaning, Vodka might work too.
If you clean small engine with margarita, it might increase pulling power because of sticky suger content. How do you think?

Well, still no progress on The Closet Branch so showing off my loco again.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/43/5197-210816014132.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=43058)
SD-9E
SP class EF618E-1
Built in 1976.
Model made by Atlas.
Riding comfort. Sacramento rebuild engine. A lot of details are missing form the model but nice to have one.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/43/5197-210816020926.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=43060)
MP-15
SP class ES415-7
Built in 1974
Model made by Atlas.
One of main engines on the Closet Branch. Switcher's visibility with road trucks. Excellent model.



(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/43/5197-210816021405.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=43061)
SW1500
SP class ES415-2
Built in 1968
Model made by Micro-trains.
Classic switcher. Tight curves? No problem!! Runs OK. No lights on rear, what's up with that!!

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/43/5197-210816022459.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=43063)
GP40-2
SP class EF430C-2
Built in 1979
Model made by Atlas.
Newer addition to my roster. Doesn't have decoder yet. Waiting for winning the lottery for  the fund.
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: mr magnolia on August 21, 2016, 08:34:47 AM
Can you imagine the lottery-win fleet you could run?!

Meantime, I guess it's like real life: you gotta run the railroad into the ground!

Thanks for sharing

Donald

PS, I too am enjoying my microtrains SW1500. Good model.
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: texhorse on August 21, 2016, 04:48:37 PM
Dats :  33 and 34 are filmed!!!!  I just have to upload them now.  I even mentioned you in the video, although I think I got your ID slightly wrong....

 :-[

Andy
UK
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: Trent on August 23, 2016, 12:57:46 PM
Love that bloody-nosed SD9. (Note to self: must not be tempted away from the north east.)
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: Lachute on August 23, 2016, 02:00:25 PM
  :hellosign:   :superblayout:   :thankyousign:
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: dats475 on August 24, 2016, 05:11:52 AM
Hi, everyone!
Thank you very much for your input.

Originally, my layout was designed to have two separate scenes with a center backdrop in the middle. I thought I have enough room to reach from all three side but no such luck. Now I can access from one side only. :scowl:... As result, I got pretty awkward scenery situation going on the layout.
I've been experimenting with a mirror these days. As you can see the mirror is too small. I took it from my wife's cosmetic something (I don't know the name and I don't care.) As usual, I don't know what I doing here but I need some a low backdrop that effectively hide a gap in between two buildings. I still need to reach back (deep side) of  the layout though.
If I really use a mirror there, I need to modify a lot of details. Well, probably it won't work.... Hey, at least I'm trying something!!
Anybody using a mirror on your layout?

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/43/5197-240816050647.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=43119)
 :camera:
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: Webbo on August 24, 2016, 05:34:50 AM
To be honest Dats,  your layout as shown in the picture at the bottom of your posts does not look like two scenes to me. The background between the two buildings could be a problem to your view, but it isn't particularly to mine. I have far worse background scenery problems than this one that I hope to address once I get my scenery closer to completion. Have you thought about painting a building side on your backdrop between the two buildings or perhaps putting in part of a building to cover some or all of the gap? The mirror is certainly worth a try.

Webbo
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: texhorse on August 24, 2016, 07:18:31 AM
Webbo's right.  You could put a plain piece of Plasticard behind, glue a couple of doors or other details from the scrap box and print out a sign from your computer.  That way it would look like another industry, maybe one not rail served.

Andy
UK
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: dats475 on August 24, 2016, 10:54:21 AM
Hi, Webbo and Andy. Thank you for your comments.
I'm sorry that I didn't explain right. Let's see if I can get this right... This is originally planned backdrop.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/43/5197-240816104219.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=43123)
You can see I don't have a easy access to "back side" of backdrop. (unless use as an "island" layout which I can't.) So took out the backdrop....

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/43/5197-240816104355.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=43124)
My "two separate scenes" means like this... Bottom half is one scene (say, scene A) with two buildings and two spurs. In the middle is where my original backdrop was (where you see insert slot line). Upper half is the other scene (scene B) with a team track spur which just basic ground cover at the moment. I wanted to make a team track at right and orange groves at left.
When I view from normal position, scene A is front and scene B is rear.
The conventional way is using low backdrop for accessibility to scene B, perhaps same height as buildings if I want to separate the scenes completely. But I wanted to do something different so I tried a mirror there.
I've been thinking about treatment of scene B for a long time.
It seems to me, options are...
1.Forget scene B, use normal height backdrop. Use only scene A.
2. Without backdrop, tweak the scenes, use both A and B scenes without separation.
3. Use super low height backdrop, use A and B scenes with separation.
4. Redo everything.
5. Do nothing, wait for a miracle to happen.
6.Cry in the bathroom.

My previous post was using option #3 with unconventional mirror treatment and failed....hence, I chose option #6 now.

Hopefully, I explain my funky situation a little bit clear.
 :help:
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: Lachute on August 24, 2016, 01:30:32 PM
Hopefully, I explain my funky situation a little bit clear.:help:
Pardon my French but I'don't understand. :sorrysign:
'cause I have no brain say my friends. :worried:

Anyway, it's a :superblayout:
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: dats475 on August 24, 2016, 05:04:36 PM
Thank you for reply, Lachute.
I apologize that I'm not making my point clear.
 :sorrysign:
Problem: The front half is industrial scene, the rear half is rural area scene. I need to view/access from the front.
Which one is better?

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/43/5197-240816165015.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=43130)
Without a backdrop. A view of the normal position
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/43/5197-240816165125.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=43131)
Without a backdrop. A view of the standing up position for the rear portion.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/43/5197-240816165208.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=43132)
With low backdrop. A view of  the normal position.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/43/5197-240816165249.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=43133)
With low backdrop.a view of the stand up position for the rear portion.
 :confused2:
 :camera:
 :thankyousign:
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: Webbo on August 24, 2016, 11:14:08 PM
OK - I see the problem.

I suppose what you do depends on your viewing angle. My preference is low angles so that you see things as someone who is standing on the ground or looking out the window of a building. To me your layout really looks good this way. So, I think you are going to have a hard time making a separate scene for the B section so option 2 would be my choice followed by option 1. Put some more buildings or parts of buildings in section B. I like your idea of an orange grove so you could modify the right hand side of your layout into one?

Webbo 
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: maridunian on August 25, 2016, 01:14:04 PM
3. Use super low height backdrop, use A and B scenes with separation.

Hi Dats - I'd suggest that you go with your option 3, filling the gap between the buildings at roof level, and present it as another building front in Scene A. Viewed from Scene B you now have a (low) divider which could be landscaped as a cliff-face.

Good luck!

Mike
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: Lachute on August 25, 2016, 04:06:26 PM
Clear and loud ! :thankyousign:
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: dats475 on September 01, 2016, 10:35:48 PM
Hello everyone!
Thank you so much for your inputs! You guys are my teachers so I'm reading your reply carefully. I still don't know how I should treat the backdrop but just looking at the layout doesn't help anymore so, I started make a scene for the orange groves. Only the fence for now but hopefully it'll make sense as it progress.
As you can tell by now, I don't have a concept called "foresight".....please wish me luck.
BTW, I'm trying to imitate the atmosphere something like this....
https://m.flickr.com/#/photos/terryviews/4839485601/in/set-72157606457973152/ (https://m.flickr.com/#/photos/terryviews/4839485601/in/set-72157606457973152/)
I'm not sure the link works(?????)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/43/5197-010916222313.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=43255)
You: Is this the moon?
Me: No
You: Is this a sandbox?
Me:No.
You: Then what is it?
Me: LA suburban in 80's.
You: You are kidding right?
Me: No.
You: It looks like some old peanut butter smudged on the ground.
Me: I agree.
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: mr magnolia on September 02, 2016, 12:36:36 AM
The link works just fine.
Cool photos - nice theme!
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: dats475 on September 02, 2016, 12:58:44 AM
Hello,  Mr magnolia.
Thank you very much for your reply.
How's your SW1500?
When I bought mine, the front pilot was scraping the track.
Fortunately my rubbish decoder installation work made the body shell to ride little higher so now it is running OK. Although, when it turn left, makes grind noise!??? Does yours have a problem like that?

 :camera: dats
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: Webbo on September 02, 2016, 02:19:27 AM
Hi Dats

I'm a great fan of how you are doing your sand/dirt. It looks like the real thing. I'm having trouble getting my sand/dirt colours right. The stuff I have looks right when it is dry and unglued, but as soon as I apply glue, it darkens up more than I like. I even tried some real dirt and same problem.

How do you do your dirt?

Webbo
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: maridunian on September 02, 2016, 07:02:06 AM
Hi Dats - looking good. There's lots of empty space around Railways - here's an interesting article about modelling composition I like

http://lancemindheim.com/2015/12/scene-composition-2/ (http://lancemindheim.com/2015/12/scene-composition-2/)

Mike
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: dats475 on September 02, 2016, 08:32:19 PM
Hello, Webbo.
Your farm scene is looking mighty good!! Because of your inspirering new scenery, I finally started to work on my scene.
Thank you for complimenting my ground cover.
I made my sand by using plaster with tiny bit of art sand.(I think it is for a sand art craft or something...)
And  I coloured it with $0.79 paints. 
On the real locations pictures, soil is almost ivory colour to me. I remember if you see with your nakid eyes on the actual location, it was more light red/brown-ish colour. Maybe something to do with sun light.
I used sand for real locomotive but grains were too big on N gauge. The Art sand itself was same, too big.
Then I bought Arizona minerals and sand's low desert soil and it came out too red-ish colour. I I'll leave it as is for now.

Hi, Mike.
Thank you for the link.
I really impressed when I saw his shelf layout for the first time on a magazine article.
I didn't know that the webpage was available.
Thank you for pointing out for me.
I like the concept very much.


Ok, folks!  A quiz for you.
I have a silo/tank here for the General Food factory.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/43/5197-020916202631.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=43267)
It was made by?
A) Row beef.
B) A plastic tube.
C) A toilet paper core.
D) I don't care, I don't even know why I'm reading this thread.

Happy modelling!!
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: Pierluc on September 03, 2016, 08:51:06 AM
C) A toilet paper core. Am I right...or not ?
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: texhorse on September 03, 2016, 08:55:06 AM
I agree, it's a bog roll tube, as it's called in England!

The painting on it is superb though.  Good job!

Andy
UK
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: Webbo on September 03, 2016, 09:40:48 AM
Hi Dats - looking good. There's lots of empty space around Railways - here's an interesting article about modelling composition I like

[url]http://lancemindheim.com/2015/12/scene-composition-2/[/url] ([url]http://lancemindheim.com/2015/12/scene-composition-2/[/url])

Mike


This is significant and valid point that is being made here. Realism doesn't come from clutter and I certainly agree there is an overall tendency to try to cram too much into a scene. But, after all it is a model railway and we all have limited space.

Thanks Dats for your response to my question on the dirt. I think I'll just have to try harder and use your suggestions.

The picture in the quiz looks like a toilet paper tube, but painting cardboard would look a fair bit different from what we see. So, I'm thinking plastic tube - don't know what a row beef is.

Webbo
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: dats475 on September 03, 2016, 10:39:00 AM
Hi, Webbo.
About dirt, I forgot to mention that you can use a product that fix dry wall. The one comes with paste type.  In US it's called "patch'n'paint'. I don't know what it called in there but it drys kind of rough surface.(unlike plaster that cure totally smooth.) I used it to fill any gaps on the ground and paint it.
Also, I heard some people use grout. The one use for floor tiles. It seems dry out sandy texture.
In bigger scale, they just put real sand or dirt then looks good but in N scale, we need to find something like ...almost powdery materials to achieve the fine texture.

Speaking of space/composition.
My Team track is like this.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/43/5197-030916101511.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=43275)
You would said nothing there!!
Yeah, nothing there.
Real Team track that I wanted to imitate... like this.
https://atsfinroswell.files.wordpress.com/2015/05/team-track-in-van-nuys-ca-may-19731.jpg (https://atsfinroswell.files.wordpress.com/2015/05/team-track-in-van-nuys-ca-may-19731.jpg)
When I saw this picture, I thought " Hey, I can model this!! ".
Wonder of the Prototype railroads. They would do nothing if they can get away with it.

The answer for the quiz.
Drum roll....drum roll....
The answer is " Toilet paper core".
I applied the patch'n'paint, sand it and paint it.
You can't see closely. It's quite crude but good enough for a background structure.(to my standard anyway.)
Webbo, Andy and Pierluc, I'm glad you guys didn't answer "Row beef".
If you did, I would worry about you!!  ;)
Thank you for your time reading my posting, guys!!

I'm thinking making orange trees out of cotton balls.
Just because I found them on my wife's drawer.
Please don't tell her about it. I'm scared of her. Women in US are strong, I tell you!!
Safety first!
 :camera: dats
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: Pierluc on September 03, 2016, 02:45:40 PM
The answer for the quiz:
Drum roll....drum roll....
The answer is " Toilet paper core".
OK ! Where is my prize ? :smiley-laughing:

Anyway... :wonderfulmodelling:    :thankyousign:
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: dats475 on September 04, 2016, 02:20:23 AM
Ok, Pierluc.
You got the prize of two smiling faces...wait not two but three smiling faces!! Yay!!
 :) :) :)

One more the Closet Branch quiz.
My derail is made from what material????
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/43/5197-040916014619.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=43303)
(A yellow thing on the rail is supposedly derail.)

A) Row beef.
B) Plastruct "C" shape strip.
C) Wood skewer.
D) Atlas Insulated Rail Joiner.
E) I don't care! I wanted read somebody else's posts but just mistakenly click this thread!!

If you have the correct answer, you'll get four  :-*

Well, let's see I don't remember what I used for it....maybe it was...... Raw beef?
How do you think?

Happy modelling!!
 :camera:  Dats

Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: Webbo on September 04, 2016, 02:27:02 AM
My brain hurts!

Webbo
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: dannyboy on September 04, 2016, 03:10:29 AM
I know what it is - it's F) a piece of banana skin, (derail, as in engine slips off track  :doh:).  :)
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: texhorse on September 04, 2016, 07:26:12 AM
I'm guessing it's B Dats!

Andy
UK
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: Jerry Howlett on September 04, 2016, 09:32:52 AM
Being of that you are of an overseas persuasion my guess is you were just a bit clumsy with your BBQ corn fritter...
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: Newportnobby on September 04, 2016, 12:07:04 PM
Have you just sneezed on your track? :sick2:
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: Pierluc on September 04, 2016, 12:39:43 PM
I know what it is - it's F) a piece of banana skin, (derail, as the engine slips off track  :doh:).  :)
Best solution ever found ! Is it made by the NASA ?   :smiley-laughing: :smiley-laughing: :smiley-laughing:
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: dats475 on September 04, 2016, 09:16:56 PM
Guys! Guys!! I'm asking international intelligence collaboration here. It's up to us to find out the truth of the derail which challenging us at the most fundamental level of the human soul!!
Besides do you really think it looks like a banana peel?..... wait, wait a minute.....
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/43/5197-040916211041.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=43318)
Yes, yes it does!!

This forum is actually for the modelling, so I better post something about making a model. Otherwise I'll probably get banned from this forum.
This is my test of the "cotton balls orange trees".
Most likely I'll not use this.
I don't think you call the material "Cotton balls" there but you know what I'm talking about.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/43/5197-040916211255.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=43319)
I remember orange trees are round shape something like this..... Ok I admit...I'm failed. I'll be back with something better.... I hope.

Dats
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: texhorse on September 04, 2016, 10:16:52 PM
You could probably make those a bit more realistic by rolling them in scatter materials or Woodland Scenics bits while the paint is wet.  Just something to make them look less like soccer balls will improve the look of them.

Andy
UK
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: dats475 on September 09, 2016, 11:05:39 PM
Thank you very much for your suggestion, Andy.
I'm thinking to use poly fiber filling instead of Cotton material. I need to purchase a poly fiber bag, a green colour spray and probably need a spray adhesive. I only need 6-9 orange trees. I don't know buying all materials is actually cheaper than ready made orange trees. Woodland scenic makes orange trees although it looks different than California orange trees.
I'll think about it more while I'm running the trains.
In other words, no progress....
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/43/5197-090916225259.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=43440)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/43/5197-090916225341.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=43441)

Person who attending the N gauge train show this weekend, please enjoy a lot, take pictures a lot and buy a lot of N gauge stuff!! Don't forget to share with us!!
I decided that September is N attitude month.
 :moony: Take that HO!!   :moony:
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: texhorse on September 10, 2016, 08:08:12 PM
Hi Dats

I am planning to take plenty of photos at the show tomorrow, but I only have plans to purchase one second hand loco from Anoraks Anonymous, and a Woodland Scenics Roto Wheel Cleaner.

Hopefully I'll be uploading photos in the next few evenings.

Andy
UK
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: dats475 on September 12, 2016, 03:50:42 PM
Hi, Andy.
How was the show?
I know you have a lot of EMD and GE locomotives. How do you like Alco loco? Please post your new acquisition!!
BTW, Andy. I saw a mug shot picture from the show and I saw a handsome looking guy with cowboy shirt. I can't put my finger on it. I thought I saw the dandy guy somewhere.....

Ok. I made orange trees without the orange.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/43/5197-120916154333.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=43583)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/43/5197-120916154430.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=43584)
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: dats475 on September 12, 2016, 05:35:17 PM
More pictures.
Next challenge would be a long over due backdrop. :whisper:
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/43/5197-120916171522.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=43585)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/43/5197-120916171602.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=43586)
I want to make the photo backdrop but I don't know how to use nor have a photo edit program.  :'(
That's a problem.  :'(
Still...  :moony: in your face HO!!  :moony:

Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: Webbo on September 12, 2016, 11:04:31 PM
I like the trees and note the detritus on the ground under them like real trees have. Nice touch. I've been wanting to do that with my trees, but too many other things to do at the moment.

Webbo
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: maridunian on September 13, 2016, 09:18:04 AM
Great trees - not that I know what orange trees look like in California - they certainly don't grow on trees around here!

I love the weathering on that box car - are those actual dents?

Mike
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: Webbo on September 13, 2016, 09:40:49 AM
Hi Dats

Your orange trees are the right sort of height and shape of the orange trees I know from here in Oz. However, our orange trees have foliage that is a fair bit darker than what yours appear to be. Darker than grass green in fact. Californian orange trees may be quite different from Australian trees, but I think they go by the same names: Valencia, navel etc.

Webbo
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: texhorse on September 13, 2016, 09:54:21 AM
Hey Dats!

I really enjoyed the show.  I probably liked it more this year than I did before.  Photos are coming, I promise.  I bought a BNSF GP30 / GP39M.  It needs a decoder yet, but I'll submit photos.  I also got two unboxed second hand cement cars, a Microtrains collectors car (Mission Control) and that Woodland Scenics wheel cleaner I was after.

I have nothing against Alcos.  They are a bit old school for my layout, though.

Yes, that's me in the Sunday photo in the Dallas Cowboys shirt.  The Cowboys went on to let me down that evening, but there we go.

The trees look just fine.  The oranges aren't blooming on them just yet, obviously! 

Andy
UK
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: texhorse on September 13, 2016, 10:40:05 AM
OK Dats, as promised, here's a photo of my purchases from the show on Sunday.  Notice also in the background, some new landscaping which I'm doing at Cherry Valley.  The hobos have been moved on from their camp, but they'll be back....


(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/43/2779-130916103951.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=43590)


Andy
UK
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: grumbeast on September 13, 2016, 02:50:55 PM
Hey Dats,

 just getting back into the forum, thought I'd chime in, love the look of your Orange trees, they look great.  Its been years since I've been to California, but your ground colour seems to capture what I remember really well!

Graham
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: dats475 on September 17, 2016, 08:20:56 PM
Hello!!
Weekend again!
Hopefully I will have a little time to do some modelling.

Hi, Webbo.
Thank you for reading my thread patiently.
The detritus on the ground are actually irrigation ditches.(Some elements/equipments are missing on my layout.)
I learned that they used it to distrbut the water back in old days. Although I don't know they still use it in my modelling period of early 80's.
I should make it little lighter colour and apply some high gross material.
Yes, Webbo! You're right once again!! The trees should darker green! Mine is "Too faded" looking.
I'll experiment further and reporting back to you.
Please wish me luck!

Hello, Mike.
The orange groves in LA  looks like this or I should say I wanted liked this.
https://www.dreamstime.com/royalty-free-stock-images-roadside-orange-grove-image630619 (https://www.dreamstime.com/royalty-free-stock-images-roadside-orange-grove-image630619)

Apparently, they cut the top of trees to stop their growth.
For dents, I'm not sure I understand correctly. You mean on the car?
I have to say that it's a magic of my cell phone camera.
Sometimes the picture makes much better looking than actual model.
If you see it by your own eyes, you probably say "What 's this?!!".
Nevertheless I think you for your kind words!!
I appreciate it, Mike.

Captain Andy!
You did it again!!
Nice choice of purchase.
No wonder you're smiling on the picture!
Great looking 2804, Andy.
You have a quite extensive MTL car collection as well.
My wish is to buy a MTL 50' SP boxcar so I can put lumber inside while the door is open.
Although, MTL are relatively expensive in US and are riding little higher than I like to see but sure they are nice!
I like those covered hoppers with ACFX reporting marks too.
Please let me know how well the Roto cleaner works.

Hello, Graham.
Thank you very much for reading my thread.
I struggled with the ground cover so many times.
I just couldn't achieve those Los Angeles dusty packed down dirt ground.
N gauge size makes little more challenging, regular materials are too coarse in my opinion.
Thank you very much for your encouragement words!!

Latest weathering efforts.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/43/5197-170916201753.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=43656)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/43/5197-170916201853.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=43657)
I'm going to add more weathering on this one.

 :camera: dats
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: texhorse on September 18, 2016, 02:26:27 PM
Just a quick note for you Dats, to say how good I think your weathering looks on those cars.  Good job!

Andy
UK
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: dats475 on September 19, 2016, 03:15:55 PM
Hi, Andy how are you doing?
Thank you for your comment.
I'm not sure what I'm doing so it takes a long time to weather a car.
I read your post on graffiti and the way you did was very informative.
I'll certainly try the techniques next time!

I remember you mentioned that you have M&HRR freight cars.
I just wondering if I could see those.
I don't know when or how and might be in distant future but eventually I'd like to challenge a custom paint on a car myself.
It would be nice if I can make a M&HRR car and run in my layout!
Thank you very much, Andy.

OK, I made the orange trees more darker green by sprinkling fine turf.
Thanks to Webbo's advice, it looks like more closer to the Orange Grove on the picture.
I want to add a lot more details like a ladder, crate boxes and so on.
Oh, concrete pipings for irrigation are missing too.
I've heard that you can use kid's Microbeads for Orange fruits. I'll look around at the crafts store when I go there next time.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/43/5197-190916150444.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=43705)
To honor his wisdom, I decided to name the Grove " Webbo Orange growers".
With his permission, it's officially open for business!
I probably redo the sign. I can't read the lettering well.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/43/5197-190916145603.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=43702)
You can't read the sign on the picture but it says "Webbo Orange Growers"

How do you think?

I have a plan to place a mirror to make the Grove bigger. I've told that need the first surface mirror but those are expensive!
No way I can afford that!
I don't even know how I can find a right size mirror.
Can you cut the mirror without cutting my fingers?
If you have any information about the mirror usage on the layouts please help me!! :help:

Today's learning point is "When Webbo speaks, listen carefully".

 :camera:  Dats

Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: texhorse on September 19, 2016, 09:28:25 PM
Hi Dats, just before I go to the shed to photograph my four MHRR box cars for you, a thought about the mirrors for the orange grove....

Ladies' powder compacts can be picked up very cheaply, or so the wife tells me.  How about seeing if you can get an ultra cheap one from Walgreen's or Walmart or somewhere like that?  Discard the compact, but use the mirror.

Just a thought.  Ok I'll be back in a minute with a photo for you.

Andy
UK
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: texhorse on September 19, 2016, 10:27:05 PM

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/43/2779-190916222022.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=43718)



(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/43/2779-190916222123.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=43719)



(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/43/2779-190916222151.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=43720)

I have four MHRR cars Dats, numbered after four of my favourite British Diesel Locos from when I was an avid British Rail Enthusiast.  They are 33117 (which I have driven), 47319, 47379 (no picture here) and 47510 (a favourite also of my late Father's).

The deep red is actually a British colour, Carmine Red and relates to British Railways 1950s coaching stock.  A good American alternative is the deep red used on the Pennsylvania Railroad NS Heritage unit.  It's called "Tuscan Red".  Decals are made just as I described in my graffiti description.

Basically, type in the Montrose and Highland Railroad font, which is Times New Roman in Bold and Italicised.  The flags emblem is the Colorado state flag and the Ohio state flag joined together side by side.

That's it, if you would like to have a go at creating a MHRR box car, I'd like to see it.  My cars are 50 feet long, but you can have whichever you like.  I'm also toying with a couple of MHRR gondolas or cement hoppers for the future.

Have fun!

Andy
UK
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: Webbo on September 19, 2016, 11:49:08 PM
Dats, your orange tree colour is right on the money. Webbo Growers may only be a small operation, but it only grows healthy orange trees and the oranges are top notch. I have been wondering about how the oranges were going to be modelled as I'm going to be needing some model apples. Looking forward to seeing the orange trees loaded up with fruit. Model Tech makes a pile of fruit cases that might be useful.

As for your suggested today's learning point: "When Webbo speaks, listen carefully", I say listen at your peril. To accompany this learning point, I have a learning point that I'd like to put out: "BS baffles brains". 

Andy, I think your idea of making your own railroad insignia is a great idea. Do you print up decals and apply them? I'm planning to make up some Shell insignia for application to oil storage tanks at my refinery which is under construction. It seems that Microscale has a sheet of Shell decals, but these are all of an old style not seen since the 70s. Any tips on this?

Webbo
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: texhorse on September 20, 2016, 06:59:05 AM
Hi Webbo

Definitely experiment with making your own waterslide decals.  The paper is easily available from the internet.  I get mine usually from Amazon or sometimes ebay.  If you want light colours on your decals, be sure to buy "white" decal paper, instead of "clear".

I would recommend DIY decals to anyone!

Andy
UK
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: dats475 on September 22, 2016, 11:09:39 PM
Hello!

Captain Andy, thank you so much for your M&HRR car pictures and descriptions you gave me was exactly what I needed!

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/43/5197-220916224622.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=43771)
This car will be a Montrose &Highland RR car....hopefully.


(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/43/5197-220916224850.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=43772)
The paint is stripped from the car... Well, sort of.
Andy, my local hobby shop didn't have the M&HRR red colour but a jar of boxcar red was on sale.
Do you mind if I paint my M&HRR car with the boxcar red? It was so cheap you know!
I want to start painting soon!
I still don't know how to create a custom decal yet.

Webbo Orange Growers expansion project.
Yes, I got (pronounce "stole") a small mirror from my wife's cosmetic- whatever it was.
I think I'm safe until she finds out.
It's too small for the job but I took a picture how it looks.
It works when I shot extremely close to the object.
Nevertheless, I still have a hope to successfully and effectively using a mirror on my layout.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/43/5197-220916225753.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=43774)
Sorry for out of focus picture but you will get an idea.
No Orange yet.

 :camera: Dats

Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: texhorse on September 23, 2016, 07:16:34 AM
Dats, of course I don't mind if you use a different colour for your MHRR box car.  I'm sure in times gone by my railroad has used all sorts of paint shades to paint vehicles.  Also consider your railroad is some years in the past, so who's to say their designs weren't different in those days?

If you like, I can send you an email with an attachment perhaps with the artwork for the MHRR car.  Then you could just print it onto a sheet of WHITE decal paper (available at art shops and on Amazon and ebay), and just put them on your car?

Andy
UK
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: dats475 on September 23, 2016, 11:23:37 PM
Captain Andy!
Yes, please send me M&HRR template.
It'll be tremendous help for me!! Thank you very much!!

Well, I have a confession to make.
I...I don't... own an airbrush!
I'm painting the boxcar with a brush and planning to apply three coats of thin paint.
It's not a museum quality but I'm having fun.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/43/5197-230916231634.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=43792)
After 2nd coat of paint. I need touch up the ladder.
The door has too much paint already.

Dats
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: texhorse on September 24, 2016, 05:33:59 PM
Dats, I'm getting the artwork ready today.

I don't have an airbrush either!

Andy
UK
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: texhorse on September 24, 2016, 06:12:29 PM
OK Dats, if you check your emails, you should have the MHRR artwork.  The flags logos are on a Word document, and the rest is in an Excel document.  If you would like any assistance, please get in touch!

Andy
UK
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: dats475 on September 26, 2016, 01:55:07 PM
Hello, guys!

I bought tree small mirrors and a graphite pencil at craft store yesterday.
I'm experimenting with the mirrors. Not so much of progress so far.
The store didn't have the micro beads (my oranges!). Probably I have to order online.

With Andy's help, M&HRR boxcar is getting better.
I had to buy a decal liquid film and decale solution.
Still my result is not the standard quality.
I'm learning little by little!

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/43/5197-260916125919.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=43873)

How do you apply decals? Any tips?

Dats
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: mr magnolia on September 26, 2016, 10:03:31 PM
I dont have any tips - but I'll be watching to see how its done!

Ive got some of my own to do at some point...
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: Webbo on September 26, 2016, 11:32:59 PM
Hi dats

Your brush job on the box car looks pretty good to me. Besides, once you get the weathering done, any unevenness due to brushing will contribute to the look and will be well hidden anyway.

I'm intrigued by the mirrors. Any chance of a top view plan showing where you are thinking of putting them? A hand drawn plan would be fine enough just to give us all an idea of what you're thinking.

Webbo
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: texhorse on September 27, 2016, 06:57:54 AM
Dats, I like what I see so far.

Have you printed out the MHRR artwork on waterslide paper, or on ordinary paper?  Depending on what you use, will determine how to attach them to the car....

Andy
UK
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: dats475 on September 28, 2016, 05:05:53 PM
Hi, guys!
Thank you for your reply.

Donald, thank you for reading this thread. I'm struggling with the decals.
I can't make them sit on irregular surface even with decal solution. Especially larger pieces are difficult for me. I suspect that will have a problem on M&HRR decals, so I practiced with SP decals first to see if I can get it right.
As you can see, the "Hydro-Cushion" decal is quite bad.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/43/5197-280916170438.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=43948)
Maybe I need to buy Microscale sit(?) solution before applying it.

Webbo,
Thank you for your comment.
I'm too hoping that the weathering would hide my rubbish paint job.
I'll try to draw or take pictures of the mirrors location.

Andy!
Yes, I finally printed the M&HRR logo. I had a problem with ink though. I found out that my printer wouldn't print white colour!!
I didn't realize it until I actually tried to print on black paper.
So, the M&HRR logo will be yellow colour.
I just painted sealant on the decal paper.
Hopefully I can show you very soon!!

Dats

Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: texhorse on September 28, 2016, 10:11:52 PM
Hi Dats

Don't be hard on yourself.  The decals are sitting on a ribbed box car, so they are bound to look like they do.

Here's what I'd do :

1.  Before putting any decals on, apply a thin coat of gloss varnish, or Klear floor polish or Micro-Set solution onto the area where the decal is going to be.  Let it dry for half an hour.

2.  Cut out the decal you are going to use, and do a dry run.  See what it looks like.

3.  If you are happy with how it will appear, put the decal into a dish of luke warm water, and allow the backing paper to lift off the decal.

4.  Put the decal in place.  Take a damp piece of kitchen towel and gently place it onto the decal.  Dab it and then lift to ensure the decal is still it's in the right place.  Once it's there, press as hard as you can without breaking the box car!!!!  This gets the air bubbles and water out from between the decal and box car.  Take off the damp kitchen towel and ensure the decal is still in the right place.  If you've pressed down hard enough, the decal will sit on top of the ribs on your car as well.

5.  If you own Micro-Sol solution, use a small brush to dab this over your decal.

Leave the whole lot to dry over night, if possible.

Next day, take some more Micro-Set, Klear floor polish or varnish and paint it over the decal!  Et voila!  Hopefully you'll have a good looking car.

Don't worry about the decal colours.  As long as they look good to you, they don't have to exactly match my box cars.  If you really want a pale colour to show behind the writing, how about painting some yellow over the area where the decal is going to be, so that you are actually putting the decal over a yellow patch on the side of the box car?

I notice on your Southern Pacific box car that you are a bit worried about the uneven nature of the decal.  This was because you didn't press down on them hard enough with the damp kitchen roll, as in Number 4 above.  As a result, air bubbles and / or water stayed under the decal until they evapourated.  You need to force those out before the decal dries.

If that was a practice, take them off, and try again.  See if you like the results on the second attempt.

Don't worry, we've all applied decals as beginners originally.  You should see some of my earlier efforts....

Andy
UK
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: dats475 on September 29, 2016, 01:04:47 AM
Hi, All!!
How are you doing?

Andy, thank very much you for your advice. I definitely use the techniques!
Quite a lot of good information that I can use!!

How am I doing?....well.
I'm experiencing great decals failure or I would say great learning process(?)!

I printed out on the M&HRR logo on clear decal paper with yellow colour. Applied liquids decal film as bonded agent. (I read that I can use it as sealer on a web and it appear to be working.)
I dried it overnight.
Then I applied the decal on the boxcar, thinking bright yellow letters would appear on the surface.
As you can guess, all I saw was a thin layer of decal!!
No legible logo whatsoever!!
Background of brown colour absorbed everything!!
What to do now!

Now my choices are
1. Print on a white decal and apply the logo that looks like white placarded sign on the boxcar which is unusual.
Or
2. Print on a clear decal again with much darker colour but different from the boxcar brown colour and
hoping to get a better result.

The problem is a home ink jet printer can't print white colour.
Well, I tried print the near boxcar brown colour background with white letters on a white decal paper.
Then I found out that the white lettering are not clear at all.
So, now I decided to go with #2 option.
I'll report it back to you soon.(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/43/5197-290916005738.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=43954)
(The picture is out of focus as usual. Those letters are much more clear on the decal.)

Why it doesn't have a provision of white colour printing? Why!! Not fair! ..poor white colour!!

Andy, please be patient. Your Railroad car will be rolling on the Closet Branch soon.

Webbo, I haven't forgotten about mirrors.
My handwriting is so bad that I couldn't tell what's going on!
My drawing looks more like a pizza than a track plan.

Dats
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: texhorse on September 29, 2016, 07:18:40 AM
Why not paint or stick a square of yellow paper where you are going to put the decal, and then put the decal over the top of the yellow Dats?

Don't worry, you'll get something nice out of all this effort!  Have faith!

Andy
UK
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: maridunian on September 29, 2016, 12:27:30 PM
Well, I tried print the near boxcar brown colour background with white letters on a white decal paper.
Then I found out that the white lettering are not clear at all.

Maybe set the text to Bold or try a different font - some fonts that look the same on screen print quite differently. I once printed a page of text using every font I had, and referred to that for choosing the best match to commercial logos.

Also, have you set your printer to "best quality" - they usually default to "draft quality" for speed.

I suspect that if you're using clear decal sheet, a painted patch will also show through the background colour, so I'd persevere with the white sheets.

Mike
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: dats475 on September 29, 2016, 11:48:04 PM
Hello!

Andy, thank you for your encouragement.
I'm not giving up on the decal project yet.
When I get tired of it, I'm watching your M&HRR videos. If you see viewer counters going up, probably I'm the one watching them!
I'm not kidding.

OK, decal challenge for the third time!
This is it!
I made a decal following Mike's advise. (thank you, Mike!!)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/43/5197-290916234353.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=43989)
I'm going to dry it for a day or two then I I'll apply the liquid decal film as sealant.
This weekend I should be able to try it on the boxcar.

Meanwhile my mirror project is still experimenting stage.

Webbo, this is the place I'm trying out for now.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/43/5197-290916234533.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=43990)
I learn that the mirror angle is critical for a good effect.
I just can't find cheap right size mirror.
I don't know where exactly I put the mirrors nor how to hide the seams yet.

Another over due project is the backdrop project.
I just downloaded gimp(?) Software for photo editing.
I can't find the scenery that I want on commercial backdrop so I need to make it myself.(American "can do" spirit here!...or wishful thinking?)
I have no idea how to use the software. It will probably take a long time to learn it but I'm not in rush.

Well, my layout is small but still evolving!
Hopefully for the better!!

Dats



Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: texhorse on September 30, 2016, 07:14:12 AM
Keep experimenting Dats, that's how we learn!  The decals look like they'll work a treat on the box car.

Andy
UK
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: maridunian on September 30, 2016, 01:27:49 PM
OK, decal challenge for the third time!
This is it!
I made a decal following Mike's advise. (thank you, Mike!!)
I'm going to dry it for a day or two then I I'll apply the liquid decal film as sealant.
This weekend I should be able to try it on the boxcar.
Hi Dats. The background colour looks a good match for the boxcar. If you cut the decals as close to the text as you can, then varnish and weather over, I'm sure the background will disappear. For a smooth-sided car, you could make a decal that covers the whole side, then paint the car ends to match the decal colour. I used to do that with (black) tank cars in OO scale a few years ago.

Mike
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: mr magnolia on October 01, 2016, 04:33:55 PM
keep going guys!  I've all this ahead of me yet...

Donald
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: Webbo on October 02, 2016, 12:49:07 AM
Hi Dats

Thanks for the photo of the mirror Dats. Now I see what you are trying to do. I'd not realised that you could view the layout from the back. Could you not get a larger mirror and cut it to size. Seems to me also that the viewing angle will change how the layout looks when mirrors are involved especially.

Have you considered two mirrors - one where you have it and another along the back wall perhaps?. This would make the orange grove look huge as the mirrors would be reflecting off one another.

Good luck with the decals. I'm watching this one as I have to put a Shell insignia on the side of an oil tank soon.

Webbo
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: dats475 on October 02, 2016, 01:57:54 AM
Thank you very much for your reply guys!!

The third attempt.
I had a problem that I didn't have on two previous attempts.
Water bleached in the decal and ruined it!
I think because where I cut was painted colour part, not plain decal paper.
As you know I flooded the decal with brown colour so all cutting edge would be raw brown paint exposed. (I think)
I thought it over in the bathroom when I doing an important business then I realized that I need to seal the cutting edges as well.
So, I need cut the decals in shape first then apply the sealant around the edges again.
Right now I cut all lettering and sealed the edges and waiting to dry.
Tomorrow, I retry to put the decals for one more time!
Wait! UK is already tomorrow now!

The clear decal papers are pretty much useless on this project. (Unless for light coloured cars like gray colour covered hoppers.)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/44/5197-021016015528.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=44072)

Dats
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: dats475 on October 02, 2016, 03:34:37 AM
Hi, Webbo.
How are you doing?
Thank you for your comment.
Well, only time I can see the mirror is when I take a photo or video right now.
Yes, I thought about using the double mirrors. (Isn't that bad luck omen or something? If that's true, I'm scared!!)
One on the industry and the other is on the backdrop. So I can see it from my normal view position.
Then I thought the one on the backdrop would reflect a train passing by right in front of it also.
Probably wouldn't work.
I saw a Japanese modeller using the double mirrors on his layout though.
First mirror was one of those mirror that one side is mirror the other side is see through window (I don't know how to call it. You know, like some office building windows or the police interrogation room  mirror.) Second one is a regular mirror.
When you see from "see through" mirror, inside of the object(s) would expand forever.(hopefully, I explain this right!)
I thought that was a pretty clever idea!!
Maybe we can use it as inside of "wall flats" industrial buildings so when you peak through it inside of the room is huge....or something like that.
Right now I want to make my backdrop and a custom decal  boxcar so I won't try any complicated visual tricks.

Well, I don't know how to cut the mirror, Webbo.
I assume I would need a diamond tip cutter or some special tools which I can't afford. Even if I can get one,
I'll probably cut my finger instead of the mirror!!

Dats
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: Webbo on October 02, 2016, 04:12:53 AM
I'll leave you to the decals at the moment. But, ordinary glass can be cut using a very cheap and simple tool and it's pretty easy to do (lots of explanations on web). However, if the mirror is tempered glass, things become MUCH hairier. Most glass mirrors are not made of tempered glass. My one experience with trying to cut tempered glass ended badly.

Webbo
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: dats475 on October 02, 2016, 11:34:16 PM
Hi, guys.

This is a result of my third and half attempt.
After all that, still pretty bad looking.
I hope the weathering would hide my rubbish job.
I'll report back to you when I finish with weathering.

Dats
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/44/5197-021016233322.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=44093)
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: dats475 on October 03, 2016, 01:53:01 AM
Hello!

OK, first layer of weathering. I tried to hide my rubbish job too much!
The lettering portions are too heavy.
Nevertheless, the M&HRR boxcar is arrived from the South Pine yard to Los Angeles.
I'll enjoy running the car on my layout!
Thank you all for your help!!
Especially, Andy. Thank you very much sending me your M&HRR template!!
I still can't believe that home printers can't make white print!

Dats

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/44/5197-031016014556.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=44094)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/44/5197-031016014706.jpeg)
A Montrose & Highland car unloading frozen food packaging.
 (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=44095)
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: texhorse on October 03, 2016, 07:54:38 AM
You are being way too harsh Dats, that looks great!  Remember you've put the decals over ribs on the car, so it's bound to stand proud of the side of the car.  If you have put varnish over the decals now, you could try pressing on hard with your finger to try and get the decal a bit flatter, but there is a risk the decal will come off with your finger, if you haven't sealed it properly.

Other than that, it is fine!  It shows an era earlier than my model where the MHRR was still a struggling railroad, but it was business as usual.  An earlier design of font on the car makes it even more realistic!

In your picture, I'm assuming the car has come down to California possibly from Doyle Silver Group in Indiana, if it's carrying frozen food packaging, or maybe from Roxo.

Good job.

Andy
UK
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: maridunian on October 03, 2016, 11:27:04 AM
This is a result of my third and half attempt.
After all that, still pretty bad looking.

I disagree with that assessment too!

In that photo, the car is double life size and cameras show things that the eye wouldn't normally notice at all.

I agree with TexHorse that the only real issue is how flat the decals are lying on the ribbed surface. To improve on that next time, I'd ensure the car has a high gloss finish before applying the decals, then careful pressing down with a wet cotton bud, rolled outwards from the centre of each decal, to get it to follow the shape of the surface. (Or only apply home-made decals on flat areas!)

I wouldn't recommend DecalFix or other softening solutions for home-made decals, as these can sometimes destroy them depending on the chemistry of the products.

The finished, weathered car looks fine to me!

Mike
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: mr magnolia on October 11, 2016, 10:49:37 PM
Hey dats
How's things?
I can't find the source just now on this phone. But I've been looking into SW1500s in CN livery, and turns out the only SW1500s came to CN from Wisconsin Central. Turns out further more that most (all?) of WC's 1500s came from Southern Pacific...

What running numbers have you in your fleet? It might be we are operating the same loco as each other, but in different times and spaces!

Cheerio

Donald
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: texhorse on October 12, 2016, 07:52:34 AM
That would be really neat Donald!

The loco would "sort of" have a history!

Andy
UK
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: dats475 on October 12, 2016, 10:21:54 AM
Hello, everyone!

My SW1500 is #2510, Donald.
I understand that SP had a lot of "graduates" from their roster.
I don't know 2510 is the CN loco though.
Any progress on your timeline decision? I'm looking forward to seeing the development.

I haven't been able to get some progress on my layout.
I'm still applying some decals. (Yes, I'm still doing it!)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/44/5197-121016101432.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=44406)
Now it sits on ribs well thanks to Micro-sit but I don't know how to get rid of the thin film appearance even after painting Micro-sol several times. I can see it on certain angles.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/44/5197-121016101611.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=44407)
(As you can see on the picture, I ripped the decal by pressing down too hard!)

If you guys know how get rid of the film, please let me know!!
When I get better at it, I'm planning to redo the M&HRR car. (Yes, I'm still thinking about it!)

Dats

Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: maridunian on October 12, 2016, 11:11:23 AM
If you guys know how get rid of the film, please let me know!!


Gloss varnish the surface before applying the decal - that's the best you can do, then matt varnish everything afterwards. I often use gloss paint on locos (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=34641.msg403054#msg403054) for this reason.

Mike
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: texhorse on October 12, 2016, 08:09:57 PM
Mike is right.  Gloss varnish is good.

Also, it seems to me that there may be some air trapped underneath perhaps?

Please remember that close up photos always exaggerate any "faults" on your model.  Imagine if you painted a thin line on a piece of paper.  If you look from a distance, it looks great.  If you took a magnifying glass, you'd see all sorts of imperfections.  It's the same with close up photography.

How often do we look at a box car on a layout from only 12 inches away?  Not too often.  More likely four to six feet away.  It looks fine.

Have another look at the car from the more realistic viewing distance on the layout Dats.  You'll be putting things more into perspective, I think!

Andy
UK
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: maridunian on October 12, 2016, 10:53:30 PM

([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/44/5197-121016101611.jpeg[/url]) ([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=44407[/url])
(As you can see on the picture, I ripped the decal by pressing down too hard!)

If you guys know how get rid of the film, please let me know!!
When I get better at it, I'm planning to redo the M&HRR car. (Yes, I'm still thinking about it!)


If this were mine,  I'd now run a scalpel along the side of each rib,  then brush on a little Microsol to get the decal to settle into the corners.  Add some weathering,  and as TexHorse says,  it will look just fine!

Mike
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: Webbo on October 13, 2016, 12:15:59 AM
Hi Dats

Here is a website that explains how to attach decals - why the surface should be glossy and how and why you should use Micro Set and Micro Sol. It adds to what Andy and Mike have to say.

http://incunabulum.co.uk/blog/2009/09/29/tutorial-decals-with-microsol-and-microset/comment-page-1/ (http://incunabulum.co.uk/blog/2009/09/29/tutorial-decals-with-microsol-and-microset/comment-page-1/)

I have just applied a homemade decal to my oil storage tank using Micro Set before and after decal application. It has worked very well. Even though the tank has ribs along its sides where plates have been welded together, the ribbed sides of a boxcar may be a bit trickier so I'm going to get myself a bottle of Micro Sol for that job when it comes.

Webbo
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: texhorse on October 13, 2016, 09:14:33 AM
Have you got a photo of the oil storage tank Webbo?

1.  I'd like to see it anyway.
2.  Perhaps it will give us more insight into how decals can be applied to an uneven surface.

Andy
UK
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: Webbo on October 13, 2016, 09:35:25 AM
Yep, here it is Andy.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/44/4229-131016093225.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=44457)

Webbo
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: dats475 on October 13, 2016, 10:21:12 AM
Hello again, everyone.

Andy, Mike and Webbo, thank you very much for your advice!!
As Mike's suggestion,
I pushed decals to those ribs by using back of a xacto knife and applied the micro Sol then pushed it more by blade of the knife again.
I think I actually cut the decals along the ribs.
It looks much better.

Now, I have to do the other side of boxcar.
I'll buy a model gloss clear coat at hobby store this coming weekend.(I have a bottle of micro-set and micro-sol already, yay!)
Any clear gloss coat for models would be fine right?
Or any specific one I should get?

So, process would be...  
I'll paint the gloss coat where I apply a decal then dry
and apply micro-set
and apply a decal and more micro-set(push as much as I can with wet paper towel)  (or repeat if necessary)
And apply micro-sol following by xacto knife push then dry
And if everything is good(I hope), apply dull coat.
Am I right?

If I'm missing something please let me know before I start applying the decals again!

Mike, thank you for the link. I want my decals to look like that!! What a wonderful job you did on the engine!!

Webbo,
The oil tank looks great!!
No decal film showing!!
How did you do that?!
Did you apply clear coat? And cut the decal exactly where the shell picture so, no excess decal film?
You said that "homemade" decal, did you use white decal for it?
Please show me the way!!
Thank you for the link too. I read through the article.
I didn't know a lot of stuff he is taking about! (No wonder!!)
You guys gave me a hope of the decal adventure!


Dats
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: texhorse on October 13, 2016, 10:28:57 AM
Hi Dats!

Your method is spot on, but use a damp towel to blot the water and air out.  Don't use a wet one.  Also, when you are putting the Micro Set on at this stage, put it around the edge of the decal, not all over it.

Good Luck!  Let's see the new and improved box car!  As I'm off work today, I am going to do some scenery on the layout now!

Andy
UK
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: mr bachmann on October 13, 2016, 02:18:46 PM
hobo in camp  :D ,

the box van is looking ok .

 suggestion , when using a scalpel use a curved blade then it can be rolled to cut , rather than a straight blade that could buckle the wet decal whilst cutting .

(some years ago  :sleep: we would make transfers by using , example - suitable adverts etc. from magazines , varnish (oil or polyurethane) over the print , allow to dry , then immerse in water to remove the paper backing - then hopefully  you would be left with a slip of varnish with type face under the gloss . the finished item was then applied to the model )
 
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: maridunian on October 13, 2016, 02:22:59 PM
Any clear gloss coat for models would be fine right?
Personally I'd use enamel rather than acrylic (just in-case the solvents/mattcote react?? Not sure if that's a real risk), something that gives a thin coat - eg airbrush/model spray.

So, process would be...   

I'll paint the gloss coat where I apply a decal
Yes - You might want to extend the gloss area to the whole panel, perhaps masked off, so any 'step' or tone/colour change at the edge of your varnished patch isn't obvious.

then (let it) dry

apply micro-set and apply a decal and more micro-set
(push as much as I can with wet paper towel)  (or repeat if necessary)

And apply micro-sol following by xacto knife push then dry

And if everything is good(I hope), apply dull coat.

Am I right?

Sounds fine to me!

Mike, thank you for the link. I want my decals to look like that!! What a wonderful job you did on the engine!!

Thank you - these are commercial decals, but I plan to experiment on another example, adding home-made coloured panels with lined edges to a loco to speed things up!

Mike
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: Webbo on October 13, 2016, 10:59:37 PM
Webbo,
The oil tank looks great!!
No decal film showing!!
How did you do that?!
Did you apply clear coat? And cut the decal exactly where the shell picture so, no excess decal film?
You said that "homemade" decal, did you use white decal for it?
Please show me the way!!
Thank you for the link too. I read through the article.
I didn't know a lot of stuff he is taking about! (No wonder!!)
You guys gave me a hope of the decal adventure!


Dats

The decal was cut within about 0.5 mm of the image, and if you look closely at the real thing you can see the edge of the decal line. It's hard to see so not a problem for me. I didn't apply a gloss surface before hand - the tank had been spray painted with acrylic matt white. Even so, the decal seems to have stuck to the surface very nicely. Basically I followed the micro-set instructions: apply micro-set to the area of the decal, slide on the decal, brush out any air bubbles with a brush (hardly any), apply more micro-set, then dab the whole lot with paper towel. I didn't need to press the towel. There is a little bit of bridging of the decal across the tank ribs, but I don't think I'll bother trying to fix this as it's not obvious at all even at close range. However the strategy of cutting the decals into the corners using a rounded blade is worth remembering for future decal jobs.

No, I didn't use white decal paper. The stuff I used was Micro-Mark. At $2 a sheet not particularly cheap. I do wonder how important the quality of the decal paper is to the results. Very likely I would think.

Here's a question for you decal people. I used a Canon inkjet printer with its gloss setting. The Micro-Mark instructions recommend that immediately after the page is printed that it be sprayed with a fixer - in my case I used Dullcote. It would seem to me that the Dullcote would interfere with the penetration of the micro-set applied on top of the decal. Can anyone tell me whether applying Dullcote is really necessary at the printing stage or would letting the decal paint dry thoroughly be enough to prevent it running? Certainly applying Dullcote at the end of the decal application process seems to be recommended practice.

Webbo
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: texhorse on October 14, 2016, 07:30:14 AM
Hi Webbo

You need to seal in the decal image to the paper.  Otherwise, as soon as you dip the decal in water, the ink will run.  Take it from someone who tried this.

 ;)

Andy
UK
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: Webbo on October 14, 2016, 10:42:13 AM
Thanks Andy

I thought I would ask before wasting a decal sheet in an experiment.

Webbo
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: dats475 on October 18, 2016, 02:22:12 PM
Hi, everyone.

I was so busy last weekend. When I finally had a time, the hobby store was closed. So I couldn't buy a clear gloss paint. But when I looked at my hobby drawer, I saw a bottle called "$1 Mod podge-gloss, clear".
Well.. I tried it as clear gloss paint for the decal application.
Result?.. I got better looking decal application.
Not perfect but a lot better.
I made a fundamental mistake of ripping the decal so lettering is badly crooking (my decals are very old one that I bought at train show. I used Micro scale's liquid decal but somewhat hard to "peel" from backing paper......that's my excuse anyway!)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/44/5197-181016141701.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=44678)
Please excuse me for blurry picture and crooking lettering.

But I'm definitely getting better at it.
The decal film was visible in first, then when I applied dull coat it despaired.... for now.

How do you think?

Dats


Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: maridunian on October 18, 2016, 02:42:41 PM
Hi Dats

That's about as good as it gets! Just add some weathering ..

You might find the decals more manageable and have less film showing if you cut out each word separately, but getting them lined up again would be an extra challenge...

Anyway, I think you're now able to rebrand anything you want!

Mike



Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: texhorse on October 18, 2016, 08:58:18 PM
You've definitely got the film round the decal to disappear Dats, well done.

You could probably give yourself some encouragement by putting your next decal onto a flat sided car, or maybe a decal sign on a wall.  You've chosen a ribbed car, which is probably one of the most difficult cars to put a decal on!

Keep at it Mate!

Andy
UK
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: dats475 on October 22, 2016, 11:58:55 AM
Hi, guys!

OK, this is the conclusion of my decals adventure.(you guys must be tired of this topic!!)
I ripped the decal again but now I can apply it without noticeable film. The gloss clear paint and dull coat did the trick!  Amazing!!
I'm really pleased with the result.
Thank you all for your advice and encouragement!
Now I can enjoy putting the decals!

Now I have a question about the backdrop.
I can't find any commercial photo backdrop that I like. The only option is making my own.
If you have any experience with panoramic photo backdrop, please tell me how you did it.
I'm trying to use Gimp software but my learning process is extremely slow!
Any advice?
Thank you guys!!

Dats

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/44/5197-221016114832.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=44751)
Applied "Southern Pacific" logo.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/44/5197-221016115208.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=44752)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/44/5197-221016115302.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=44753)
I want something like this using "continuous photos" but don't know how.(and little less graffiti would be nice.)
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: texhorse on October 22, 2016, 05:44:42 PM
The decals are looking good Dats, nice one!  How's that MHRR box car doing?  Have they finished loading it yet?

I'm afraid I can't help with your backdrop.  I think I'd just find some photos off the internet of buildings and so on, and just print them out.  Then cut round the images you like, and glue them to your backdrop; just like when you were young and made a collage!

I paint my backdrops with watercolours, and they are mainly rural, as you've probably noticed from my videos.  Talking of which, I need to get on with that hillside, and get another video ready.  See you later!

Andy
UK
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: dats475 on November 02, 2016, 02:04:29 PM
Hello, everyone!

Andy thank you for your reply.
A M&HRR boxcar is busy running on my layout!

Due to insufficient budget,  progress on my layout is completely halted at the moment.
But I thought that maybe I can do some backdrop experiments since I don't need to newly purchase anything.

I don't have a skill to paint the backdrop, my drawing of a dog is extremely similar to my drawing of a cat.
Using the photos are only option to get a decent backdrop for me.
I'm still struggling to use the Gimp software.(I'm not spending enough time to learn it....I think.)
So, I decided that I'll use "Low tech" approach to the project for now.
1. Use photo backdrop.
2. Use my home printer to print the pictures.
3. Use only normal paper size to print the pictures.
4. Use appropriate street pictures from Google maps or Google earth for free.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/45/5197-021116135605.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=45105)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/45/5197-021116135738.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=45106)

Naturally, problems would be
1. How to disguise the seams.
2. How to blend in the printed sky colour to my backdrop sky colour.

I tried to cut sky off from the pictures but I didn't get good effect from it.
For those seams, I can put trees or palm trees in LA scene, utility poles, billboards or some vertical objects. ( I don't know what kind of buildings or objects I can use for my Los Angeles scene yet.)

I've seen a lot of beautiful and natural looking photo backdrops on UK modeller's layout.
If you're using some sort of pictures on your backdrop, please share with me how you did it.

Dats
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: texhorse on November 02, 2016, 10:23:21 PM
Dats, your backdrops look great!  As well as hiding the seams with telegraph poles etc, why not use "flats" or low relief buildings?  That is partially 3D buildings.  Some could even be rail served!

Take a look here :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8CEvSmkH46U (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8CEvSmkH46U)

Andy
UK
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: maridunian on November 03, 2016, 04:56:47 PM
Hi Dats

How about using a run of plain ("lining") wall-paper, painted greyish white, as the sky, and stick your cut-out photos of distant features such as buildings/hills onto that background ?

Lots of ideas over on the Landscape/Scenery Board - http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?board=11.0 (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?board=11.0) - search for "back scene".

Mike
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: dats475 on November 05, 2016, 11:43:13 PM
Hello again, everyone,

Hi, Andy,
Thank you for the info.
I didn't know the company.
They have a quite nice kit models. I personally like building card stock building.
I have a "scalescenes" paper building.(was freebie, yay!)

Hi, Mike,
Thank you for the link and ideas.
I haven't read all back scene threads yet but they have a quite good useful ideas that I can apply!!
I painted my backboard with light blue at top and withe at bottom while ago. I knew it'll be a problem when I use photo back scene later but I painted it anyway.

My "Low Tech" back scene continue.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/45/5197-051116232557.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=45200)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/45/5197-051116232642.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=45201)
(Low tech isn't that bad, right?..until you see a picture below.)

I put together six printed photos. Now it covers entire yard back board. Surprisingly, the seams don't bother me much. Oversized lamp posts are more eye sore.
Overall I liked the effect of photo back scene. It resembles Los Angeles industrial back road I remember.
One big problem remaining, however.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/45/5197-051116233141.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=45202)
(OMG!! Ouch! What happened to the sky!! Everybody says "the sky's the limit" but mine is "the sky had the limit"!!)

I can cut out the sky but my previous attempts wasn't successful. This is the one "High Tech(?)" Gimp software comes handy I think.
But I'll stick with low tech this time.

Should I cut out the sky again?
Or try to match the colour by painting the back board?
Any suggestions would greatly appreciate!

Dats
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: Webbo on November 06, 2016, 12:56:21 AM
Dats

First, I think your printed back drop scene looks REALLY good. A couple of further thoughts from me.

a) I think how far you want to go with your back scene depends on what viewing angles and distances you are after. Low viewing angle and close in viewpoint would require a lower back scene maybe even one that is no higher than the printed section you have.

b) I've been to LA a few times and the sky strikes me as being similar to the photo of your 2 November post i.e. dusty, a bit browny-yellow and light coloured close to the horizon and gradually becoming darker blue higher in the sky (but still a fairly lightish blue). The sky here in Oz in summer looks similar due to dust in the countryside air and smog in the big cities.

c) So, your third photo shows a situation that has things backwards. Painted backdrop should be darker OR you might want to adjust the colours in your photo backdrop section so the upper edge is closer to light blue. OR a combination of the two adjustments.

I'm looking forward with great interest to your efforts as one day I'm going to confront this backdrop situation as well.

Webbo 
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: dats475 on November 07, 2016, 12:34:32 AM
Hi, guys,

This is my latest progress(?) of the low tech back scene project.
After I read Webbo's ideas (thank you, Webbo.), I decided that matching up the printed photos and the back board colour would be the way to go...I think.
I painted some colours on a paper to compare the photo sky. 
To my surprise, the printed sky has purple tint on it. Almost lavender colour- ish blue.
I never thought printed clear sky has purple in it. (yes, you're right!  I don't have any clue about colour composition nor artistic eyes!)
Anyway, I repainted the back board with the lavender-ish blue.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/45/5197-071116002558.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=45240)
I think it got a little bit better. I definitely have to blend in a little bit more somehow.
A problem will be how to disguise the difference of  individual printed photo sky colour.
Well, I'm getting there. I don't know where but getting there!

By the way, I totally agree with Webbo about LA's sky colour.
LA is (in)famous about the smog!!
My goal is including the smog to my back scene.
Again, when Webbo speaks, listen carefully.
The solution is there!

Dats

P.S. Maybe I should learn how to use Gimp software.
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: Webbo on November 07, 2016, 12:53:08 AM
Again, when Webbo speaks, listen carefully.
The solution is there!


I'm melting off my chair and onto the ground. I'd say BEWARE!

Webbo
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: maridunian on November 07, 2016, 01:57:57 PM
([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/45/5197-071116002558.jpeg[/url]) ([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=45240[/url])
I think it got a little bit better. I definitely have to blend in a little bit more somehow.
A problem will be how to disguise the difference of  individual printed photo sky colour.
:
P.S. Maybe I should learn how to use Gimp software.


I think hardware's the answer - run your Xacto knife along the horizons of the printed sheets and throw away the printed sky (and monster street lamps!). Maybe print a single sheet again to try this radical surgery on?

Mike
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: Webbo on November 10, 2016, 11:39:06 PM
Mike's idea is worth a go.

Your back drop could still be painted with colour graded from a bit yellowish lower down to more blue higher in the sky.

Webbo
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: dats475 on November 14, 2016, 05:38:00 PM
Hello,

This is my latest low tech, low cost back scene attempt.
I cut sky out. (thank you Mike!)
Paint back board for 3rd time with light blue plus little bit of yellow-ivory in it. As goes down to horizon, it gets more withe. (Thank you Webbo!)
I didn't buy anything for this project. Yay!
I added smog too.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/45/5197-141116173044.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=45455)
Hard to see but yellow colour in the sky.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/45/5197-141116173308.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=45456)
Actual colour is more lighter. Sorry for my cellphone's dark photos.

How do you think?
How can I improve it more?

Dats
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: texhorse on November 14, 2016, 06:01:59 PM
Oh yes, Dats, that looks excellent!  I'm glad you persevered, you've made a good job of that!

Quick question for you, in relation to your private message :  Did you like the printed roadways on my layout?  If so, I can send you the printouts via email.  I already paid for them, and you can print them out as many times as you like!

Andy
UK
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: Webbo on November 14, 2016, 07:45:08 PM
Dats

That looks terrific. I like it.

These roadway printouts you refer to in your PM to Dats, what are they?

Webbo
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: mr magnolia on November 14, 2016, 10:24:35 PM
I'm liking that backdrop now - nicely done; it adds a lot of character to the scenes.

Donald
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: maridunian on November 15, 2016, 09:05:29 AM
How can I improve it more?

Hi Dats

That's spot on, I'd say. You could add odd bits of fencing/street lamps/bushes in front of the backdrop to give some depth, but watch out for shadows falling onto the backdrop which would give the game away.

I haven't got around to having a backdrop at all currently, so this has given me some ideas.

Mike
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: dats475 on November 15, 2016, 03:22:20 PM
Hi, guys,

Thank you all for your encouraging words and ideas!!

One thing I noticed about making back scene is you have to consider the distance between a track and backboard. I don't have any space there, so I had to enlarge the photo pictures.
Otherwise, a train would hide everything even higher view point.
Obviously, if you have some extra space there, you better use scale size photos.
In any case, make sure that you can see at least the top part of the printed photo back scene.
If you can find a photo that shows same ground colors as your ground cover at the bottom of picture is the best for this purpose. (which I couldn't find.)

Now I need to finish rest of back scene including a picture of an Orange Grove to expand Webbo's Growers.
I'm anticipating a problem with the transition from city scene to farm scene in less than 1 inch!

Donald,
Do you have your layout thread?
I want to see more of the trestle(great modelling!!) and rest of the layout!!

Mike,
That's a good idea. I don't have any space there but I'll see what I can do.

Webbo, I was asking Andy about his parking lot treatment.
The effect is outstanding!
The link to his video is here.
Check out the parking lot of the Giant Eagle grocery store.
https://youtu.be/zGNhPfLkZy0 (https://youtu.be/zGNhPfLkZy0)
Hopefully, the link works.

Andy,
Is it a printed texture paper that you put on the spot at the Giant Eagle?
From scalescene or some similar web site?

Dats

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/45/5197-151116152106.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=45472)
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: mr magnolia on November 19, 2016, 07:04:50 AM
Hey dats - your doing well there!

My layout thread is a bit of a graveyard at the minute, although that kind of reflects real life progress on the scenery. Luckily that's offset by some busy fun stuff in other bits of life.

Anyway, it's here:

http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=2286.msg358217#msg358217 (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=2286.msg358217#msg358217)

Incidentally,  there's a current discussion on Trainboard that covers your backscene thinking too, and may be of interest to you. I'm struggling to find it just now though. I'll stick up a link when I stumble over it again.

Donald

OK, found it.  I think there is a companion thread with some more photos too:

http://www.trainboard.com/highball/index.php?threads/100202/ (http://www.trainboard.com/highball/index.php?threads/100202/)

Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: dats475 on December 04, 2016, 04:53:05 PM
Happy holidays and happy modelling to everyone!!
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: Webbo on December 04, 2016, 07:54:02 PM
Brilliant dats!

Now that is something truly original. And by the way your new backdrop  looks very convincing.

Webbo
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: dats475 on December 05, 2016, 06:24:41 PM
Hi Webbo

Thank you for your time watching the video.
How's your Layout coming?
I'm still working on the back scene including Webbo orange growers area.

Still little early but I wish you and your family a happy and wonderful Christmas!!


Dats
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: dannyboy on December 05, 2016, 06:36:43 PM
 :laughabovepost:  :claphappy:
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: Webbo on December 06, 2016, 12:49:17 AM
Another great fun video, Dats - thanks

If I can make a small suggestion - I would slow down the rate at which the dialogue changes a bit. I'm finding I've got to rush through reading the words and not being able to fully absorb it all - the dialogue and the scenery. I'm a bit slow you know.

As for my layout, I'm planning an update within the next week or so at least before Xmas. I'm having a bit of a problem in deciding how to do things so some comment from the NGF will be sought.

Have a Merry Christmas from me too. Here in Oz, Christmas is the time of heat, beer, feasts with friends, and the beach - doesn't quite match the flavour of Xmas in the Northern Hemisphere, but it is still an important time just the same for all the same reasons.

Webbo
 


Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: texhorse on December 07, 2016, 05:59:19 PM
Hope to see a Christmas video from you soon, Webbo!

Dats!  Dats Dats Dats, what can I say?  I love your new excursion video, and the trailer is excellent.  I really was laughing aloud, and the wife came over to watch.  She laughed too!  You have a talent for comedy!

Wow, the MHRR made a special appearance in the background of your video at the Christmas tree!   :thumbsup:

There's going to be MHRR 36 before Christmas is here.  Just need to tweak the doodad and switch the wotsit on with the oomajig.

Andy
UK
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: mr magnolia on December 09, 2016, 09:49:35 PM
great vids dats!!

I'm going to show my family the excursion and see if we can rustle up some early bookings for next year - looks great!! :D

Donald
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: dats475 on December 12, 2016, 03:59:41 AM
Thank you very much for watching the videos, guys!

Webbo, thank you for the update. Superb modelling as usual!!
Donald and Mike, you are next! I need inspirations from great modellers, guys!!
Dannyboy, thank you for your reply. How's your layout coming?  Happy holidays to you!
Andy, I wouldn't worry about you. I know you're busy modelling and working!  And I know that you wouldn't miss M&HRR tradition, the Christmas episode.
I'm looking forward to seeing next one very much.
I don't know that Andy posted a link to his latest video.
So here it is.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3PxukYzN9JE (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3PxukYzN9JE)

Well, the low tech back scene continue.
I finally gather the print outs. Now Webbo orange growers is expanded.
I used a school glue, a ruler and a cutter with 10 years child techniques.
The picture has 3 layers of photos.
No photo editing software as you can see.
Cut and paste in old way.
I haven't glue them yet.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/46/5197-121216035046.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=46277)
How do you think?
You can see the seams but it improved over all atmosphere very much.

Happy holidays.
Dats

Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: dannyboy on December 12, 2016, 04:08:33 AM

([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/46/5197-121216035046.jpeg[/url]) ([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=46277[/url])
How do you think?
You can see the seams but it improved over all atmosphere very much.


That is looking very effective  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: texhorse on December 12, 2016, 07:23:40 AM
I agree.  That backscene looks excellent!

Andy
UK
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: Webbo on December 12, 2016, 07:34:54 AM
I like it dats

You have been giving me lots ideas on how to tackle my backdrop when I finally get to that. The notion of using 3 layers of photos seems to work very well - gives you much more control over how the scene is composed.

Very good work
Webbo
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: dats475 on December 15, 2016, 10:23:02 AM
OK, I finished all backdrop space with printouts.
I haven't glue them yet. I'm thinking of using thin magnets to hold the printouts so I can change or take them off easily.
I added downtown LA in distance.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/46/5197-151216101755.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=46358)
The crews are at lunch leaving a M&HRR boxcar with frozen packages on the main(!??).
Hopefully, they'll be back before somebody fines out.

Dats
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: dats475 on December 15, 2016, 07:08:54 PM
Hello.

I have a question for you.
What's a different between Peco set track ST-5 and ST-6?
I googled but didn't get straight answer.
Maybe you can point me to the right web or thread.
Also if you have any experience with running big American 6 axle locos on those switches, the engines would operate OK on it?
I know that a lot of guys wouldn't recommend it for any situations but I just want to know.
Thank you for your help in advance.

Dats
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: port perran on December 15, 2016, 07:36:09 PM
One has the turnout to the left and the other has the turnout to the right.
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: dats475 on December 15, 2016, 09:09:54 PM
Is that it?!! Left or right?!!
Thank you very much for your help.
I'm embarrassed.
I still want to know a big engine can negotiate the points.
I know a lot of guys in this forum done it already.
Thank you again.

Dats
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: Webbo on December 15, 2016, 09:34:25 PM
Hi dats

I don't know what will negotiate what, but it should be possible to find what radius a particular loco will negotiate. For example, I've just had a look at Spookshow and it tells me that a Kato SD70AC will not go round anything less than 11". So, this loco would not make it through a ST-5. The minimum radius is often included in the loco specs provided by the manufacturer.

Webbo
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: texhorse on December 15, 2016, 09:52:58 PM
Hi Dats

Have you tried Peco Set track switches before?  They are all insulfrog, and self-isolating, if you understand DC concepts.  They are useful if you only have very little room to put a switch.

If you have more room, I would recommend Peco Streamline Medium Radius switches, available in either left, right or Y points, and also in both Insulfrog and Electrofrog.

Let me know a bit more of what you have in mind....

Andy
UK
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: dats475 on December 20, 2016, 08:00:53 PM
Hi guys

Thank you for the information, guys.
I never used Peco so I have no idea how it works for US locomotives. Especially set track.
I've been thinking of expanding my layout. Now the layout is the L shape. I definitely want to make a C shape.
I also want to see if I can make an O shape with a drop bridge for my entrance.
The O shape would be nice since I probably can run a long train for display mode.
But I need a major(?) track surgery. That's where the Peco set track is attractive for it.
I don't need to worry about the tight radius because I'm already using it everywhere. (Yes, I totally ignored the expert advise.)

Anyway that was the reason I asked about set track point.


(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/46/5197-201216195815.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=46503)
20 minutes later.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/46/5197-201216195931.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=46504)
Hopefully you guys are doing well. If you are in the Northern hemisphere, stay warm. And if you are in the Southern hemisphere, stay cool.

Dats
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: dats475 on December 20, 2016, 11:07:21 PM
Hello

This is the conclusion of my back scene project.
I posted it on the MRH but if someone interested to see the sequence of the steps on my primitive technology back scene,  here it is.
First layer.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/46/5197-201216230256.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=46516)

Second layer
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/46/5197-201216230356.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=46517)

Final layer
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/46/5197-201216230541.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=46518)

Dats
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: dannyboy on December 20, 2016, 11:12:10 PM
That looks quite effective.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: Webbo on December 21, 2016, 12:19:17 AM
Hi Dats

Here is a template for Peco turnouts ST-5 and ST-6. http://www.peco-uk.com/page.asp?id=tempc80 (http://www.peco-uk.com/page.asp?id=tempc80)

They have a 9" nominal radius so are pretty tight, but could be very useful for tight situations. I've used them in a previous layout and I found that my old 4 axle Atlas diesels could get round them fine, but I don't know about the newer 6 axle diesels which are longer. Depends on how far the trucks can swing I suppose.

Peco has a slightly different tie spacing and tie arrangement at turnouts than the North American prototype, but it is well made and robust (especially code 55) and has a good selection of turnout sizes. Atlas looks more prototypical for NA and also has a good selection of turnout sizes. If I were to choose between Atlas and Peco now, it would be a 50:50 proposition and a difficult decision. When I selected Peco 55 for my current layout, the range of Atlas turnouts was much more restricted than it is now so the choice then was easier.

Joining Atlas 55 to Peco 80 could be a bit of a fiddle. Peco 80 joins to Peco 55 easily and Peco 55 joins to Atlas 55 with a bit of filing. So one way of connecting the Peco 80 to Atlas 55 would be to put a small piece of Peco 55 in the middle.

Don't know whether I've answered any of your questions I'm afraid.
Webbo

Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: dats475 on December 25, 2016, 01:12:18 AM
Thank you very much for the information, Webbo.
It's a big help for me!!

A 1500 horse power Reindeer.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/46/5197-251216011056.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=46601)
Merry Christmas!

Dats
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: Webbo on December 25, 2016, 01:48:02 AM
Merry Christmas to you Dats.

Santa is going to need 1500 hp these days to pull his sleigh. There are many more kids who each get many more presents than 100 years ago. Funny that you should post your picture of Rudolph as I was proposing to do something similar to my Bachmann ten-wheeler (G gauge), but ran out of time.

Webbo
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: maridunian on December 26, 2016, 01:07:36 PM
A 1500 horse power Reindeer.
([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/46/5197-251216011056.jpeg[/url]) ([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=46601[/url])
Merry Christmas!

And a very Merry Christmas to you and yours Dats!

Mike
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: dats475 on January 10, 2017, 06:27:01 PM
Hello everyone.

First post in 2017.
I'm thinking of extending my layout. The extension would be 12" x40". When I attach the portion, my layout is going to be C shape.
I'd like to include at least two industrial sidings and LA version of a creek with concrete walls.  I think it's called "wash".
https://m.flickr.com/#/photos/terryviews/2700939831/in/set-72157606457973152/ (https://m.flickr.com/#/photos/terryviews/2700939831/in/set-72157606457973152/)
I'm also thinking of having a road but when I think about doing switching moves, the road might be just a pain to deal with.
Anyway I want to come up with a plan before March.
Hopefully I can show you the benchwork by February.
At the moment, I'm not using any fancy gizmo such as CAD. Using a big sheet of paper.
Following up my reputation of being a caveman of digital age.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/47/5197-100117194812.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=47170)

Also, I finally bought Atlas GP9 loco on eBay.
I wanted get the loco with SP scheme for several years!
I have to change the engine number for my era so that would be another challenge.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/47/5197-100117195535.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=47173)


I'll report back to you on the trackplan or something similar.

Dats

Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: Webbo on January 11, 2017, 01:29:29 AM
Looking forward to seeing how your expansion develops, Dats.

And, the GP9 is one of my favourite locos and yours looks good in its SP colours. I'm also a caveman in the digital age. My plan was done with pieces of paper, first small for basic planning and then full size to finalise it all and put down track.

Webbo
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: texhorse on January 26, 2017, 10:23:43 PM
For some reason, I never saw your update until now Dats!  I like the loco you bought, it's great!  I need to get one in BN colours (only you know why at this point!)

Have you got the benchwork finished for the extention yet?  If so, you can start playing with the track on the board, place cardboard boxes where the new industries will be and so on.  It looks like it's going to be an exciting year for the Closet Branch!

Andy
UK
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: dats475 on January 27, 2017, 08:13:54 PM
Hello everyone.

My extension plan is roughly set.(or so I think.)
I decided that I'll use three scavenged points.
It would be two warehouses (maybe) with three car spots and one scrap metal dealer.
All spurs are facing same direction which eliminate runaround movements.
A matter of fact that the crews have to back up with a caboose to switch those industries.
I wanted to have a really simple trackplan instead of jamming everything single elements on my rather small space.
Still I have a road crossing and a bridge over the wash(creek) to traverse with "reverse move" procedure.
I'll attach my trackplan later. I drew it with a pencil on a cardboard and my cellphone camera wouldn't pick those lines clearly and I'm too lazy to redo it with a thicker pen.(I'll redo it as soon as I have a time.)
But I attached a picture of my Atlas points which I'm making them "bullet proof" or precisely speaking "I think that I'm making them bullet proof" by soldering jump wires.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/48/5197-270117195256.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=48023)

Dats
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: texhorse on January 27, 2017, 09:02:08 PM
Exciting times ahead, Dats!  Do you know what the warehouses are going to be storing?  Are they going to be covering the tracks going into them, or will there be a canopy over the loading platform?  Both have excellent merit.

Andy
UK
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: dats475 on January 27, 2017, 10:33:00 PM
Hi Andy

Probably those warehouses are going to be plain buildings without any covered area. And one spot has thin tall tanks for plastic pallets storage or something.
I just realized that I wanted to have at least one building materials/ lumber dealer.
I thought about having a staging track somewhere behind of the backdrop and more complicated trackplan but I thought that it will be too many tracks.

My inspiration is (always been) Southern Pacific's Burbank Branch and Riverside Branch.
I tried to make those prototype layout but it didn't last for three days!!
The Burbank Branch had a lot of lumber dealers (that's why I want to include the lumber yard) and I liked the atmosphere of the line. Riverside Branch had a few blocks of street running, bridges and even a diamond crossing with Santa Fe Railroad!!
Well, in the future, when I have a large room I will be able to model them.

Meanwhile I need to figure out my industry choices.
Maybe I'll have two lumber dealers and one scrap metal dealer.
As you can guess the plan would change several more times.
One definite thing is I'll use only three points(turnouts).

Dats

Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: texhorse on January 28, 2017, 06:58:32 AM
Sounds great Dats!  I look forward to seeing the progress on the layout, together with the resulting video soon!

Andy
UK
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: dats475 on January 29, 2017, 03:39:39 AM
Hello!

OK, this is my very crude trackplan.
Nowadays everybody use CAD software but I used CARD(-board) technology.
With my elegantly ugly hand writing, the plan almost looks like the ancient writing in a cave.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/48/5197-290117032536.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=48063)
Anyway, existing Closet yard will be connected to top side of extension to the left.
Red line is the main track.
If you see it closely, there is a gap between tangents and curves. That's where "easement" will be.
I used this easement method on my existing layout and worked quite well. Especially  for forbidden tight curves which I have them everywhere.
Bottom left is for the future extension. (Yes, I'm still going!...maybe.)
I have a only 1'x3' extension space and I tried not squeeze the tracks but it is still "too busy" looking.
To convey the atmosphere of Los Angeles trackage, probably I need to eliminate some tracks.
Also I need to think about what kind of car I can spot on the industry trackage.
Ideally I would like to have spots for a gondola, a boxcar and a centerbeam car.
Will see how I can do this.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/48/5197-290117032941.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=48064)
Different view angle of my CARD technology trackplan.

Any suggestions are welcome.(in other words, please help me!!)

Dats


Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: Webbo on January 29, 2017, 06:34:37 AM
Hi Dats

I'm facing a somewhat similar dilemma to yours and am also using the CARD rack planning system. I wonder if part of your difficulty is the position of the main track which runs right through the middle of your industrial area. A suggestion that might be worth a try is to run the main track across the back of your extension and have your industrial sidings all to the left of it (with reference to your top photo). Perhaps also try moving the position of the siding turnout further up so you can use more of your space on the left for your industries. Something else that might help is to cut out some cardboard footprints of your industries and see how they all fit together with the possible positions of the sidings. I agree that you want to avoid the crammed look if possible.

Webbo
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: dats475 on January 29, 2017, 01:20:57 PM
Hi Webbo

Thank you for your ideas!
This plan has a disadvantage from the beginning.
I have to make a 90° turn within 12" due to "C" shape layout configuration. (This extension is one leg of The "C" shape.)
On top of that, my ambitious ego tells me that the layout would expand to an "O" shape in a distance future so another 90° curve.
That makes the mainline placement somewhat limited.
The right side is against the wall. I only have an access/viewing from left side.
If I have a industry with a building such as a warehouse, I want to place it right side of the main. (The building is against the wall so it doesn't block the view from where I stand. Also it will disguise the size of the building. A real warehouses are too big to model!!)
Although it might emphasise the depth by placing small objects in front of mainline.
The picture of trackplan is definitely "unbalanced".
I'll stare at the plan more with your ideas in mind.


A story of the Closet Branch extension.

October 14, 1980. Staggers Rail Act into law went into effect. This deregulation which a rail carrier could establish any rate for a rail service would help re-establishing business contacts that the railroad lost for many trucking companies
So the railroad's business management decided to reopen an abandoned trackage near Closet yard to serve a few industries in late 1981. Hoping to win over more businesses from the trucking company competitions.
Of course the Closet Branch crews are care less about those things. The Conductor and the engineer are playing cards and the brakeman is picking his nose in the crew lounge which located in Closet yard engine house.


Dats
BTW, this CARD technology took me to another level. Just not higher but lower! Cool!!
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: texhorse on January 29, 2017, 10:52:55 PM
Dats

You don't need CAD to develop your trackplan!  We can see what you have planned from here!  I have to agree with Webbo though about the main line going through the middle.  I like the idea of you running the main line around the back, so that the switching can be done closer to where you are operating from.

Maybe if this means reaching over a building, one of the industries could be a Team Track?  Just my two pennorth for what it's worth!

Andy
UK
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: Webbo on January 29, 2017, 11:37:35 PM
Or Dats

Could you move your main line to the front and have it run diagonally downwards and to the left? Do you have to have a 90 degree bend in the main track at the bottom or could some of the bend be placed on the section yet to be built at the bottom to its left? As it is, your main track is putting big constraints on the shapes of your industries.

Webbo
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: JasonBz on January 30, 2017, 02:20:09 AM
Hi there
Just sticking my nose in for a once in while visit....

For some reason, I would swap the Wash and the Road around... I am not really sure why, but my first impression on looking at your CARD plan is to do that........
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: dats475 on February 02, 2017, 07:17:52 PM
Thank you for your help, guys!

My problem is a mainline track has to be perpendicular to the layout edge (at the top and bottom).
I might run the main oblique to the layout edge after 90+° turn at the top.  I like the effect of a train running off angle from the layout edge.
How can I do this within three feet?

JasonBz! How are you doing?
I know what you mean.
I'm not sure a bridge on 9" curve. (maybe less than 9". Yes, it's a forbidden number!!)
That's why I put a bridge on a short straight part but I might think it again.
Do you think I can somehow model on a bridge on a tight curves and still looks OK?  All of the overhang and everthing. Is it doable? If yes, I can see whole another possibility here!!

Dats
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: dats475 on February 20, 2017, 05:27:23 PM
Hello!

Due to lack of imagination,
I haven't come up with a new trackplan yet.
Even Barney the dinosaur says "use your imagination".
Still, I can't think of anything!

But I started building a benchwork for the extension.
I read somewhere that "N" doesn't require heavy duty benchwork for a shelf layout so I made it with Foamcore boards.
It cost me nothing. I used scrap sheets that I found in my closet.
Well, I like the light weight of the benchwork but it's too fragile to my taste. 
I'm operating in extremely small space so I can see my elbow punch would destroy everything!!
On top of that, I noticed a noise while running on it even "N" size!
Probably I can remedy by using cork. But I wanted to put the tracks directly on top of whatever I'm using.
Because I want my tracks to be same height as rest of scenery.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/48/5197-200217172348.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=48882)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/48/5197-200217172526.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=48883)

Maybe end up not using it.

What's your benchwork made of?

Dats


Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: dats475 on February 26, 2017, 03:19:10 PM
Hello?

Well, my Foamcore benchwork is super light weight  also super useless at the moment.
I went back to the CARD(board) technology for more benchwork experiment.

Currently I have a "L" shape layout. Now I want to make it to a "C' shape as mentioned before. Eventually I want it to be an "O" shape layout in the future.
Last section would cross the entrance door to the closet so it needs to be removal.
First idea was making it as a drop bridge section for that.
Then yesterday, when I was in the bathroom doing my business, it hit me with the idea like a lighting while I'm flashing the toilet. No wonder it called a "flash of lighting".
So I made a mock up using CARD.
I made a removal section as a "swinging arm" that fold in to extension part.
I don't think I'm explaining right so here the pictures.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/49/5197-260217145219.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=49026)
When it not been used, it'll be folded then attached to the extension part of benchwork.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/49/5197-260217145440.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=49027)
When I use it, just swing the arm open.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/49/5197-260217145625.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=49028)
Completely open. It makes a "L" shape now.

One problem is the arm length. My extension part is so short that its arm isn't long enough to cross the door completely.
I still have to use the closet as... well,... closet. Not only my train layout so I need to have an access to normal use of closet. That makes more challenging.

I need more ideas.
You know what? I I'll go back to bathroom for more "flash of lighting" experience.
I'll report it back to you.

Dats

Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: dannyboy on February 26, 2017, 04:43:43 PM

while I'm flashing the toilet.  You can get locked up for that  ;)
I made a removal section as a "swinging arm" that fold in to extension part. That is a very interesting idea  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: Webbo on February 26, 2017, 11:47:49 PM
Hi Dats

I've just been thinking about your problem when out walking the dog. Basically, the three options you have for getting the track across the door are lift-out section, drawbridge, and swing bridge. Just some thoughts on each of these:

1. Lift-out section - probably the easiest to make, but scenery on top of board more subject to damage. Also, provision will need to be made for electrical connection when section put in place.

2. Drawbridge - probably the second easiest to make. Can be made wider than the swing bridge without interfering with door opening. Scenic items on bridge will all have to be glued down. Hinge will need to be set back from track join.

3. Swing bridge - needs a good solid support for hinge. Keeps scenery horizontal. Maybe the hardest to make, but will be the easiest to use.

Just my thoughts on what I imagine your situation to be.

I'm curious as to where in the closet your clothes go if they are in there as well as your layout.   

Webbo
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: mr magnolia on February 27, 2017, 10:16:45 PM
Maybe it's the water closet?
🙀
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: dats475 on March 02, 2017, 05:40:29 PM
Hi Webbo

Exactly! You clearly summarized my layout situation!! Thank you!
I'm still thinking about those options. I bought a couple of lumber for the extension already but I don't know what to do yet.
A Foamcore benchwork is sadly abandoned for now.
I've been thinking that if I combine with two inch insulation board and hardboard fascia, it might withstand with my elbow punch.
Those light weight is just nice!! You can move three feet section with one hand!
Oh yes, Webbo. I'm hungging my clothes underneath of my benchwork.
I got the idea from watching a show about living in a small Manhattan apartment.
She was installing short pole sticking out from the closet wall and hungging her clothes that way instead of a bar across all the closet width. 

Hi Donald

How are you doing?
Unfortunately my closet is not WC.
If I win lottery, I would build a huge bathroom and surrounding by a layout.
I would have more great ideas that way.
Besides, no more emergency while building a layout. You're already in a bathroom!
What a concept!!
You have to give me a credit, I came up with this idea while I'm not in a bathroom.

OK, that's enough.
I have two reportable occurrences on my layout.

First, I successfully installed a decoder on my new GP9.
Yes, it's a big deal for my standard.
I've done it before but it was so long ago that I forgot everything!
The loco is a little bit noisy and start up need a lot of power so I need to adjust CV for starting up.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/49/5197-020317172622.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=49210)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/49/5197-020317172748.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=49211)

I also built a free paper electrical box. I found it on this forum's N gauge link thread.
I thank you Benchy and railsquid for the link.
If you zoom in, you can see my avatar picture's graffiti face on it.
I haven't made s foundation for it yet.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/49/5197-020317172914.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=49212)

Hopefully I can make decisions about benchwork within two weeks so I can actually start building something.

Dats
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: Webbo on March 03, 2017, 01:42:11 AM
Considering how small it is, that is an amazing job on the electrical box, Dats. How did you manage to get your avatar that small?

Webbo
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: dats475 on March 04, 2017, 05:20:31 AM
Hi Webbo

I just drew the face with a mechanical pencil.
Probably I'll rebuild it in the future.
I build a soda machine from same website. I messed it up with the size. It's too big.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/49/5197-040317051003.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=49242)
A pucture of the Yardmaster gulping down soda.

Ok, This is how it went.

I heard a male voice saying "....use me...use me!...."
I asked who he is.
And he replied ".....Your rubbish..... built .....Foamcore benchwork......."
Then I yell at the voice "Hey, Leave me alone! I have lumber now!"
He replied "....give me a chance, I can change..."
I told the voice "You sound like a wimpy guy trying winning back an ex-garilfrend!"
Then I woke up.

As result of the experience,
I made the Foamcore benchwork part as a tray to receive a two inches pink insulation board which is an actual scenic part. (not glued to the base and removable.)
My yard section is same way. I didn't bother glue it to its base.
So far the foamcore base is pretty rigid.
I punched it with love and no damage.
I always can change it to lumber built benchwork when I need it.
Also I can proudly say "it made out of Foamcore. Just like a house made out of gingerbread."
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/49/5197-040317051240.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=49243)
A removable pink Frankenstein insulation board onto a Foamcore base.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/49/5197-040317051536.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=49244)
A Happy marriage of a future scenic board and a base board.

I don't know why I'm obsessed with a light weight benchwork.
You make a light weight base because you want to move it but if it can't handle bumping and rough handling of moving, what's the point of making a light weight?

Well, three possible answers to that.

1. Trying to experiment with different methods.
2. The owner of the Closet Branch is an idiot.
3. Because the owner likes lovely and tender things.

I've been contemplating this matter for two minutes and half, I concluded that the answer is 2. Cheers.

Dats

Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: mr magnolia on March 05, 2017, 08:33:06 PM
hey dats - I'm glad I'm not the only one with voices in the head!

Today though, I had loud voices inside and outside my head when I had spent 2 hours replacing a complicated switch and wiring combo that was clearly faulty, only to discover that 'actually' I had managed to park a loco just slightly across an isolation joint further down the line and that really, there was nothing wrong with the wiring at all.

2 hours of wiring fun for no gain in real life.  I am No.2 also!

cheers

Donald
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: texhorse on March 05, 2017, 09:19:10 PM
Dats!

You answered my question in your postings about your DCC installation on your new GP9.  As for its slow running, all Atlas locos are built with slow running motors.  It's deliberate, and also sometimes very frustrating.  It can be cured by changing CV settings, as you said.

Is it still needing renumbering?

Andy
UK
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: Webbo on March 05, 2017, 11:17:51 PM
Hi Dats

This foamcore seems to have a real hold on you. Apparently, we dream as a way of our brains resolving our day to day issues. I think you wanted it all along, and your dreams are telling you to admit it. And you have.

I love your attention to detail and weathering as shown in the top photo. Yes, the soda machine may be a bit big or the yardmaster pretty small. Perhaps you can turn it into a phone box?

I have a red and white soda machine that has no lettering on it. Where did you get your tiny Coca Cola decal?

Webbo

 
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: dats475 on March 09, 2017, 06:50:30 PM
Hi guys

Master builder Donald! How are you doing?
Yeah, we all have a "Duh" moment once in awhile.
Only difference is that I'm constantly having "Duh" moments. It happens so frequent that I amazed myself.
My commonsense says "Don't do it" but I'm doing on my layout anyway.
By the way, how's your layout coming?

Captain Andy!

Yes, Captain. I need to change the number.
Also Rebuild engines don't have a full skirt on the above of the fuel tank. So I'm planning to change that.
The original skirt bother me a lot! Although I don't know why I'm so bothering by it.

Professer Webbo!

I saw your structures. I don't know how you can assemble them so perfectly.
Everything you do coming out perfect, Why?!!
You have nice friends like Bob and Marj on your layout and I have a Yardmaster who wears a pants that even fits his caboose, why?!!
Anyway, Coke machine sign is not decal. I just assembled Wardsworth paper buildings. Thank you N gauge link thread!!

Not much to report but I started doing something.
As I mentioned before (Did I?), one of the extension feature is a Los Angeles version of Creek. I think it called "Wash". It has a concrete bottom and concrete walls(yikes!).
Here is a preparing stage picture.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/49/5197-090317182044.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=49402)
The top drawing on a paper is....no, it's not a caveman's drawing on a wall. It's a template for the bridge. Yes, you better believe it!
Below of that is a poor man's bridge track. It made out of a flextrack. Only half way done.
Pieces at the bottom are girder(?) bridge plates.
I did rubbish job on it. You can see bid gaps.

Thank you for reading this thread.
You're so kind!!
Please leave me a emoji reply.

Dats
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: texhorse on March 09, 2017, 06:58:04 PM
Hi Dats

Two options with the renumbering.  How steady is your hand with a small paint brush and some white acrylic paint?  You cold try and change 3563 into 3568.

Or, and this would be my recommendation :

Microscale decals!

Good luck!

Andy
UK
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: Webbo on March 09, 2017, 10:36:20 PM
Hi Dats

yes, Bob and Marj take a great deal of pride in maintaining the motel inside and out. It is not down to me. I just glued the bits together.

The Creek you are constructing - is this the sort of LA drain that we sometimes see in car chase movies where the cars run along the drains and up the sides?

Webbo
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: dats475 on March 20, 2017, 04:56:50 PM
Hello!

I gave up coming up a new plan and gave up using a swing benchwork.
Basically, I got anxious to start doing something.
I'm making the wash right now. I made a homemade castings with plaster but those are so fragile that I broke all over the place.
Webbo, I'm trying to make something like this.
https://m.flickr.com/#/photos/terryviews/2700939831/in/set-72157606457973152/ (https://m.flickr.com/#/photos/terryviews/2700939831/in/set-72157606457973152/)

I have to compress hell out of it so, probably end up nothing like the picture.
I read somebody using Lego for building aid. So I stole it from my daughter.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/49/5197-200317164806.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=49817)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/49/5197-200317164939.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=49818)
I got a feeling that those plaster will break in the process and make my life a lot complicate later.
Is there a way to make plaster casting stronger after drying it out? Some spray coating or something?
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/49/5197-200317184537.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=49835)
I used Lego again to score straight lines in "difficult to get" area.

Andy, I think I'm going to use a microscale decal for renumber project. I don't know when though.

Dats



Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: texhorse on March 20, 2017, 10:00:59 PM
Hi Dats

Looks like an interesting project.  I never tried anything like what you are going to do with the plaster work.

Regarding the decals, I already offered to buy them for you, if you want me to.  It's not a problem.  Just let me know.

Andy
UK
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: Webbo on March 20, 2017, 11:00:01 PM
Hi Dats

I'm assuming you're using the plaster to line the drain? Plaster of paris is pretty fragile so what about using some household filler material. Others on the NGF have made suggestions about using various brands to make scenery. I use Sculptamold. Like plaster in a lot of ways, but not particularly brittle.

These L.A. washes that you refer to, are they stormwater drains, irrigation channels or something else?

Webbo
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: maridunian on March 21, 2017, 09:28:33 AM
Is there a way to make plaster casting stronger after drying it out? Some spray coating or something?


Hi Dats

I guess several coats of enamel paint/varnish, thinned down so it soaks into the plaster before drying, would help. A product I've used to harden rotten wooden window frames is this:

http://www.ronseal.co.uk/home/fillers/wet-rot-hardener (http://www.ronseal.co.uk/home/fillers/wet-rot-hardener).

It's a very thin liquid that sets rock-hard, so that might work for you too.

If the plaster panels fail, you could always use Lego to build permanent piers for the bridge, and folded cornflake-box card for the walls/floor of the wash!

Mike
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: grumbeast on March 22, 2017, 01:07:06 PM
Is there a way to make plaster casting stronger after drying it out? Some spray coating or something?


Hi Dats

I guess several coats of enamel paint/varnish, thinned down so it soaks into the plaster before drying, would help. A product I've used to harden rotten wooden window frames is this:

[url]http://www.ronseal.co.uk/home/fillers/wet-rot-hardener[/url] ([url]http://www.ronseal.co.uk/home/fillers/wet-rot-hardener[/url]).

It's a very thin liquid that sets rock-hard, so that might work for you too.

If the plaster panels fail, you could always use Lego to build permanent piers for the bridge, and folded cornflake-box card for the walls/floor of the wash!

Mike


I've used the rot hardener too but I think it only works on wood.  I dont know if it will work but a coat of pva followed by a spray of dullcoat might work?
G
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: dats475 on March 23, 2017, 10:01:49 PM
Hi all

Nothing significant but slowly the wash is taking place.
When I was working on the wash, one of table decoration fell on the module for no reason.
Nothing touched the decoration. Just fell on it!!  :veryangry:
Destroyed nearly everything!!  :veryangry:
As a result, it looks pretty bad.

Webbo, I think "wash" is for the flood plan or something.
It looks like usually dry in there.

Mike and Graham, thank you for your information.
I haven't had a chance to get the wood hardener but I painted and sprayed matte finish. Hopefully it works.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/50/5197-230317214945.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=50074)
I'm too lazy to redo it. So I'll keep working on it.
A railroad bridge and a big road bridge will go on top of the wash.
I'm hoping that those bridges will hide some roughness of the wash.
Well, maybe not.

Captain, Andy.
I'll try to obtain the decals from somewhere first.
If I can't find it then please help me.
Trainworld dosen't have Microscale decals. I thought that is a strange.

Dats


Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: texhorse on March 26, 2017, 07:01:07 PM
That looks fine to me Dats!

Let me know about the decals My Friend, should you have any problems.

Good news for you :  I am intending to produce a video either tomorrow or Tuesday.....Keep watching.

Andy
UK
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: dats475 on March 29, 2017, 03:30:52 PM
Hi guys

After 5 days of work, my scratch built bridge is finally taking shape.
I wanted to make every parts close to scale size but mostof them came out oversized especially handrails.

Now I need to put it on my extension layout.
I'll report it back to you soon.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/50/5197-290317152253.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=50447)
A handmade bridge.
(It looks like warping in this picture but it's not warping. ???)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/50/5197-290317153655.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=50449)
Another angle.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/50/5197-290317152401.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=50448)
Retaining walls for end of the bridge.

Andy, I'm looking forward to seeing your new video!

Dats

Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: texhorse on March 29, 2017, 03:57:55 PM
That bridge looks really good, Dats.  You're making a good job of that!

The video is still being prepared but I think I know what's going to be in it....!

Andy
UK
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: Caz on March 29, 2017, 07:53:31 PM
Nice bit of scratch building there Dats, nice attention to detail.   :thumbsup:
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: Webbo on March 30, 2017, 08:11:39 AM
Dats

I very much like your scratchbuilt bridge and its paintjob/weathering.

It seems to me that the handrails being oversize would be simple to fix and you've already done the hard work on the bridge. You could use fine wire glued or soldered together or there a couple of manufacturers of N scale hand rails that look pretty good.

Webbo
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: dats475 on March 30, 2017, 10:45:23 PM
Hi guys

Thank you very much for your encourage words!!
This time, I wanted to share an idea for making "N" size tires.
I found this while I was working on my bridge.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/50/5197-300317223027.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=50472)
Cut those Lego "heads". Filp side already been dipped.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/50/5197-300317223232.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=50473)
Drill a hole in the middle. File the outer edge of you like.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/50/5197-300317223346.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=50474)
Paint and weather them a bit.
You can cut a corner of tire to represent " in the dirt" tire.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/50/5197-300317223609.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=50475)
Lego heads are just right size for larger,  probably trucks, N size tires.

The end.

Dats
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: Webbo on March 30, 2017, 11:57:38 PM
Great idea, Dats

Does your daughter know you are chopping up her Lego?

Webbo
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: dats475 on March 31, 2017, 12:44:54 AM
Quote
Does your daughter know you are chopping up her Lego?

No sir.   :no: not yet.  :sweat:

Dats
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: texhorse on March 31, 2017, 07:46:26 AM
Another excellent use for Lego bricks, Dats!  I would suggest you get a supply of second hand ones for little jobs like these.  Between us, I think we are going to find Lego bricks to be very useful.  As well as using them in my buildings, I have used one on the layout for a concrete bumper at the end of one of my sidings.  We call them buffer stops in the UK.

Andy
UK
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: maridunian on March 31, 2017, 11:13:51 AM
Great idea - photographs really realistic!
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: dats475 on April 03, 2017, 02:54:08 AM
Hello!

Thank you for your kind words!!
I'm still working on a bridge.
This is the prototype.
https://m.flickr.com/#/photos/terryviews/5382505516/in/set-72157606457973152/ (https://m.flickr.com/#/photos/terryviews/5382505516/in/set-72157606457973152/)
This is my bridge.
Not finished yet but I'm enjoying building it.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/50/5197-030417024518.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=50583)

Dats
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: texhorse on April 03, 2017, 07:35:14 AM
That's looking great Dats!  You are way too critical of your modelling skills, you know!  I hope the bridge on my new layout turns out nicely like yours.

Andy
UK
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: maridunian on April 03, 2017, 11:03:16 AM
Great modelling! I like the way you've concertina'd the sleepers (ties) over the bridge span.

Mike
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: dats475 on April 20, 2017, 09:11:16 AM
Hi guys

Thank you for your reply.
My extension is slowly progressing and probably later today I can test run on it.
All mainline(? I really don't have a mainline) track is finished except for connecting all bus wires at the bottom of layout. I made crazy amount of feeder wires so hoping to get reliable electrical contacts. Although probably I'll get dead spots without fail.
I'll post the pictures later.
Meanwhile I weather my then new GP9.
The first coat is apply waiting for additional weathering.
I've been looking at s picture of prototype loco and I noticed a lot of details are totally different.
My "want to do" list would be cutting the skirt above of the fuel tank, adding armrests and sun visors at Windows.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/51/5197-200417090057.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=51074)

Eventually I want to try renumber it as well.
I try not to compare detail differences between actual loco and model one now.
Otherwise I will get bother by it and eventually get frustrated.

Dats
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: Webbo on April 20, 2017, 09:48:46 AM
Hi Dats

Very much like the look of your bridge.

As for loco detailing, there are endless possibilities. In addition to adding grab irons and sun shades etc., we can also think about changing the handrails to fine brass wire. Is the effort worth it? Depends on how much time we have and who we are trying to please. I would like to do it - I have had a fret of finescale brass handrail stanchions sitting in my drawer for the last 10 years, but the truth is that I have to get my layout 'finished' first. Doing up at least one locomotive as best I can is definitely a goal of mine.

In the meantime I just don't look too closely at my locomotives as they trundle by and I'm quite happy with that. 

Webbo
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: texhorse on April 20, 2017, 04:17:04 PM
The weathering looks very nice on your GP9, Dats.  I think it's very subtle and well done.

Andy
UK
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: dats475 on May 07, 2017, 04:08:48 PM
Hello

I haven't posted any progress for a while.
The reason is simple, I didn't make any progress!
I had to reapply plaster 5 times on my road.
And I'm trying to paint the road lines for 3rd time.
Sidewalk are made out of iTunes gift cards.(I noticed that they are  made out of styrene.)
Partially installed.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/51/5197-070517160113.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=51680)
I'm getting there. I'm not sure where but getting there!

On my bridge, I installed guardrails and thin strips on sleepers edge. The thin strips are made out of masking tape.


(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/51/5197-070517160740.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=51681)

Dats
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: dats475 on May 15, 2017, 08:40:23 PM
Hello

After 6th try, my road is finally taking the shape.
That's good thing because I was getting sick of it.
I need to add road lines, weathering and a lot of details.

Also I need to decide what industry will I make and rest of ground cover.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/51/5197-150517203919.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=51868)

Dats
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: mr magnolia on May 15, 2017, 11:39:40 PM
Perserverence, that man!👍🏽

Good to know you still at it while I'm, er, not.

Donald
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: Webbo on May 16, 2017, 01:52:25 AM
Hi Dats

Are the railings on your road bridge a kit or were they scratchbuilt by you? They look good and you have done a nice pain/weathering job on them.

Webbo
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: dats475 on May 17, 2017, 05:37:07 PM
Hi Donald and Webbo

Those guardrails are from Rix kit.
When I went to a hobby shop with my scratch build bridge. I was planning to buy I-beam styrene strips and handrails.
They had the kit on sale and when I compare the length of my bridge, they were exactly same length!!
I thought that the guardrails are too old style for my era but it came with I-beams already cut the length.
So I purchased one and end up using only the guardrails and I-beams.
Main body of my bridge is made out of plastic clipboard.

I weather it but I think I smudged black streaks too much on the road.



(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/51/5197-170517173423.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=51920)

The bridge was my 2nd attempt for my extension.
First one came out horrible.

Dats
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: Webbo on May 18, 2017, 01:39:34 AM
This looks very good to me Dats.

And, I like the streak marks you have in your drain associated with the concrete joins. It is possible that you have a bit too much black on the right side of your road, but I wouldn't be worrying to much about it. If you are thinking about it, I would plant a nice big semi-trailer on top of it.

As we all find out the hard way, it is all too easy to darken things, but not very easy to lighten things up.

Webbo
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: maridunian on May 19, 2017, 01:14:02 PM
A tip I got from somewhere is to finish weathering roads with your fingers, dipping into house dust/dirt to darken and talcum powder to lighten. Repeat until you're happy with the effect.

Mike
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: dannyboy on May 19, 2017, 06:37:07 PM
As a follow up to the above - don't forget to wash your hands afterwards, dust and talc' do not go well with chip butties! :). (Sorry, I am in a good mood - will post in Happy Thread shortly).
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: dats475 on May 19, 2017, 11:49:46 PM
Hi Webbo, Mike, Dannyboy

Thank you very much for your comments.

I smudged dirty marking with my fingers to apply chalks. I should have used my pinky finger instead of my index and middle fingers.
That's what happens when you don't have an airbrush.
I lightly sanded afterwards, I could somewhat fix the over applied situation.

I always forget about "scale size" that I'm dealing with.
Next time, I would have a scale size person or a scale size car while making a scene. That way I have a reference for the object whatever I'm making.

I added a parking spots.
The red car has a bad attitude and bad parking job.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/52/5197-190517234633.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=52067)

And yes, Dannyboy.
Ad you suspected, I forgot to wash my hands before munching my snack.
It was taste like chalks.
Then again, I really haven't eaten chalks before so I'm not sure.
Just say it was powdery and a hint of tingling sensation with it.

Thank you very much for visiting this thread.
Please drop me a line or two. I really appreciate your comments!!

Dats
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: maridunian on May 20, 2017, 12:08:35 PM
I think the blended shades on the road are much better.

I guess the snack tasted as different as chalk and cheese this time!

Mike
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: dats475 on May 21, 2017, 12:31:02 PM
Hi Mike
How's your layout coming along?
Thank you very much for your reply.

I think super light sanding made it less obvious about the over scale smuge.
I didn't have much of time yesterday.
I suppose to do ground cover but I made concrete barriers instead.
I also added some flesh engine oil leaks on a parking space.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/52/5197-210517122246.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=52136)

This one bridge is "No parking" zone.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/52/5197-210517122342.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=52137)

I want to do something between the bridge and road. It usually has some kind of plates on the edges or something like that.
I need to figure out the material that I can use.

Dats
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: mr magnolia on May 21, 2017, 08:08:42 PM
Dats
Do you have any spare lengths of rail? If the rails were separated from the sleepers and then placed upside down into the joints, that 'might' look a bit like what you are after?
Or it could just be a soft joint, in which case it could just be a black line.

Important details though. A very long time ago I was a young engineer puzzling in a panic as to why the two opposite sides of a new bridge didn't quite want to line up. The answer was because 'we' ☺️ had established a control baseline on the old bridge next door, and allowed it to cross the movement joint. I think the line measurement was about 60mm longer in the summer than in the winter as it had all moved as it expanded.
Donald
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: maridunian on May 22, 2017, 09:55:25 AM
Hi Mike
How's your layout coming along?

Very slowly, I'm afraid, but the goal never was to actually finish it! I've been distracted by some loco (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=31723.msg362071#msg362071) [in every sense] and wagon (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=36202.msg424702#msg424702) projects ...

Mike
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: Webbo on May 22, 2017, 11:40:35 AM
Hi Dats

I'm wondering why you won't let cars park on your bridge? I'm just trying to remember what such bridge joints look like. A couple of parallel metal strips is one way that I've seen or the black tar joint as mr magnolia suggests. Or perhaps, there is just a fine gap between the concrete bridge surface and the road. Do you have any of these bridges near you? Perhaps you can try Google Earth and see what these joints look like from space? If you have a bump in the road surface such as at a bridge join, you often see a bit of an oil splotch just downstream.

Your road surface weathering looks pretty good to me.

Webbo

Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: Bealman on May 22, 2017, 12:23:58 PM
One major thing I love about scenic American layouts  is the way that road surfaces are modelled.

Your's look great!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: maridunian on May 22, 2017, 01:01:23 PM
Do you have any of these bridges near you? Perhaps you can try Google Earth and see what these joints look like from space?
Or use "Streetview" in Google Maps (photographed from survey cars)

Mike
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: dats475 on June 02, 2017, 05:43:26 PM
Hi guys

Using a piece of rail!! Genius, Donald!
I tried it but unfortunately I only have some Atlas code 80 rails. I filed it but still too big for the purpose.
The Atlas rail's base is just too big and bulky.
I wish I had code 40 or even 55. They will be definitely work!!
Thank you for the information I appreciate it very much.

Yes, Webbo and Mike.
As you suggested, I searched with Google maps on my modelling area.
It seems like as Webb said. Two thin metal looking plates that I can see between the bridge and road.
It has to be really thin in N size.
I'm thinking just paint them there. Or use thinnest T shape styrene strip. (which my local hobby shop didn't have.)
Styrene strips are cheaper than code 40 aren't they?

Bealman, how are you doing?
Thank you for your comment.
You reminded me to ask a question.
I really don't know how to model a road in better way.
Please let me know how you guys making a road.

Anyway, I finished all track and wiring job on the extension.
I temporary connect to my existing layout.
To my surprise, it actually worked!!
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/52/5197-020617174028.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/inex.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=52384)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/52/5197-020617174102.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=52385)

Dats
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: mr magnolia on June 02, 2017, 11:40:03 PM
Toot toot!
Nicely done.
Donald
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: texhorse on June 03, 2017, 11:11:44 PM
Sorry Dats that I haven't commented on your bridge lately!  I've been sending private messages to my best friend on the Forum and it's kept me away!!!!

I like what you have done.  You are waaaaaay too critical of what you've done.  You made a good job of it!

Andy
UK
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: dats475 on June 12, 2017, 12:59:23 AM
Hello

Not much of progress but I made fences. I need to fill out tree more sections but I ran out of materials.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/52/5197-120617004500.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=52675)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/52/5197-120617004535.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=52676)

On my GP9, I finally cut the skirt. And I added that home made parts for (I think the air filter) on top of the locomotive.
Some of rebuild locos have the air filter thingies.
Now I'm looking at the picture, the thingie should be a little more taller.
I did a rubbish job cutting the skirt too.
The number is still waiting to change.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/52/5197-120617005034.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=52678)

Progress is slow but I'm trying to enjoy the process rather than getting frustrated.

Dats
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: dannyboy on June 12, 2017, 01:47:41 AM

I'm trying to enjoy the process rather than getting frustrated.

Dats

I think that is the secret of any hobby Dats.  I like the bit of chain link fence - how did you make it?
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: texhorse on June 12, 2017, 07:35:51 AM
Don't get frustrated Dats!  You can usually put right anything which goes wrong.  My layout is testament to that!

I like your fence too.  I use wedding toile for mine, but it's very flexible stuff.  Too flexible in some regards.

Andy
UK
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: dats475 on June 12, 2017, 03:11:30 PM
Hi dannyboy

How are you doing?
I made my fence from a gift wrap ribbon with thinnest T shape styrene that I found in my junk box and thinnest square styrene commercially available.
The gift was for my wife, I usually don't get any gifts except a lot bills to pay.
I ran out of T styrene and my nearby hobby shop doesn't have one so but I take your advice.
I try not frustrated, I'll find some little project I can tackle.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/52/5197-120617145054.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=52701)

Hi Andy
Quote
You can usually put right anything which goes wrong.

I'll be honest, Andy.
My case is "put wrong thing Which goes wrong".
Worst of it is I don't even realized it until glue them or secure them in the place.
Case in point, I changed the air filter(?) Thingie again. I made it a bit taller.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/52/5197-120617145813.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=52702)
I forgot about my ground cover colour too.
I couldn't remember what colours I blended with.
I'm redoing the ground cover colour for 3rd time now.
By the way, your toile is same as my wife's gift ribbon?

Hopefully, I'll have a reportable progress soon.

Dats
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: texhorse on June 12, 2017, 07:55:53 PM
Hi Dats

Your ribbon is similar to the toile I mentioned.  I managed to get mine from Hobby Lobby in Washington State a couple of years ago.  It is so fine you can barely see the holes in the material, but you know it's there!  You'll perhaps know it best as the fence between my maintenance depot and the Morning Harvest plant on my layout.

Andy
UK
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: dats475 on June 27, 2017, 11:03:51 PM
Hi guys

I've been slowly working on my extension.
I had to realign a curve and now my Tunnel motors can negotiate the curve.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/52/5197-270617224814.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=52983)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/52/5197-270617225022.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=52984)

I also built two handmade billboards.
These are the backside of billboards.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/52/5197-270617225155.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=52985)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/52/5197-270617225240.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=52986)

I'm planning to use them something like this.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/52/5197-270617225520.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=52987)

Recently I had a chance to visit my brother in law's layout. (He has a wonderful big layout.)
I wanted to bring my train to run on it.
So I made a homemade carrying case for it.
Also I realized that a lunch bag can be a great
Carrying case for N.
Anyway I'll report back to you if I have something new.

Dats
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: texhorse on June 29, 2017, 10:26:58 PM
It's always great when your locos can get over a piece of track every time, where before they used to derail.  Result!!!

I like the advertisement hordings as well Dats, nice work!

Andy
UK
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: keerout on June 30, 2017, 05:59:01 PM
I really like the "vanishing" road effect on your background..
Gerard
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: dats475 on July 10, 2017, 03:41:32 PM
Hi guys

Thank you very much for your comments Andy and keerout.


A little modelling.
I added water drainages on the road.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/53/5197-100717153851.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=53236)

And I scratch built a lumber dealer shed.
Wrapped lumber is just temporary. I originally made it for my centerbeam car.
I will eventually make lumber stacks... Somehow.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/53/5197-100717154017.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=53237)

Dats


Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: texhorse on July 10, 2017, 06:12:09 PM
Looks great Dats!

Simple way to redo those lumber stacks would be to print out the labels again and glue them to a suitable piece of styrene.  If the building's in the background, put the stacks towards the back of the building and it will look fine, I think!

Andy
UK
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: Webbo on July 11, 2017, 12:39:25 AM
Looks good Dats

I'll be needing a shed like yours too. Nice work. And the road drain and manhole are great additions.

Webbo

Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: maridunian on July 12, 2017, 01:00:17 PM
I will eventually make lumber stacks... Somehow.

Coffee stirrers are a very useful source of thinly cut timber and (sort of) free ....

Mike
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: dats475 on July 19, 2017, 03:12:58 PM
Hi guys

Andy, Webbo and Mike thank you very much for your reply.

Mike, you are genius. 
Thank you for the information.
I made some lumber stacks from Coffee stirrers as you mentioned and yes it was free at cafe.
I need to make a lot more.
I probably use cutout photo on the inside wall of the shed.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/53/5197-190717150928.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=53515)
Ground cover is working in progress.

Dats
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: maridunian on July 19, 2017, 04:05:19 PM
I probably use cutout photo on the inside wall of the shed.

Thanks Dats. Maybe use the mirror you experimented with previously at the back of the shed?

Mike
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: texhorse on July 19, 2017, 04:11:19 PM
Oh yes Dats, those coffee stirrers work a treat!  I think you should make a load more, especially since they are free!  You could still put the mirror or the printed out photo, which you were going to use, and you can use the stirrers as well!

I'm tempted to use the same sort of industry on my new layout!

Andy
UK
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: dats475 on July 29, 2017, 06:38:36 PM
Hi everyone

Finally! I've been doing this for two weeks!
My homemade fence is taking its shape.
First attempt came out really bad.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/53/5197-290717181942.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=53833)

Second attempt Came out a little bit better.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/53/5197-290717182624.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=53834)

Mike, I'm still experimenting with a mirror. Most likely it doesn't work. Because the depth of structure isn't deep enough.
I can see the track inside of shed.
And I don't know how to cut a mirror to the size.
(I'm scare of cutting my fingers!!)
Do you use a mirror on your layout?

Andy, thank you for your comment.
I almost gave up fence construction but your video helped me going again.
I used thin wires from an electrical wire on first fence but I haven't using them on second one yet.
I'm debating myself that I rather leave it out or not.

Dats

Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: texhorse on July 29, 2017, 07:51:01 PM
Dats, the second fence is a vast improvement on the first one.  You should stick with that one.  Start putting some ballast and grass down in the area now, and you'll see how great this looks!

Andy
UK
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: Webbo on July 30, 2017, 02:35:15 AM
Dats, both fences look very good.

The first go looks very dilapidated and not all unrealistic. Certainly, the second fence looks much better maintained.

Robert Frost is supposed to have said that "good fences make good neighbors" not that we might want to have a wood products depot as a neighbour. But then, why not? One is not likely to be bothered by wild parties at 1 am.

Webbo

Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: mr magnolia on July 30, 2017, 10:56:18 AM
Nicely done, dats 😎

I agree the second looks in much better condition, and the first looks just great for a run down ramshackle thing, as Webbo said.
I'm guessing that a railroad yard would prefer the second, but your battered boxcar looks right at home with the first!
Thanks for sharing.
Donald
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: dats475 on September 03, 2017, 12:34:04 AM
Hi guys

I haven't model much last month.
I made a scratch build low flat building and some trash cardboard boxes.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/54/5197-030917003053.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=54756)

I have to treat an opening a little bit better.

Hopefully, I'll make some progress soon.

Dats
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: texhorse on September 03, 2017, 12:29:07 PM
You know if you modelled the bottom of a sliding shutter door, Dats, like those I did at Roxo, that door way would look great!  Put some corrugated styrene at the top of the opening, and then get some plain styrene and glue that around the opening, that will tidy the doorway up nicely.  Add a bit of paint when you've done that.  It will look great!

Andy
UK
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: Webbo on September 03, 2017, 08:40:22 PM
Dats Your boxes are spot on. I'm looking at the inside of the shed and can some parcels on the floor. I'm assuming this is tranfer depot? Looks pretty good to me.

Webbo
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: dats475 on September 04, 2017, 02:48:28 AM
Hello!

Andy, thank you for your input.
I followed your advice. I added some protection barriers (?) around the opening.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/54/5197-040917023159.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=54925)

I also added a scratch built ladder, a mysterious electrical box and bracing for roof.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/54/5197-040917023513.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=54926)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/54/5197-040917023611.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=54927)

Webbo, how are you doing?
This factory is producing new contour toilet bowls.
A company called "Minty Flash Ceramics". The new product is called "Jet flow 5000".
They consume 3 time more water but in 80's nobody care about excess water usage.

I need to make one more (non rail served) building. I want to build from a real building picture so I have to research first.

Dats

Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: texhorse on September 04, 2017, 12:23:37 PM
Dats, that looks great!  It's amazing how just two strips of styrene can improve things straight away.  I like the description of the company and its toilet bowls as well!

Andy
UK
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: Webbo on September 05, 2017, 12:56:44 AM
Thanks for the info on the industry, Dats. With a triple flush, you're going to be sure of getting it down.
 I'm in Canada at the moment staying with my sister just next to the CP mainline in Salmon BC. Have seen the Rocky Mountaineer go by twice so far, but there are many more freight trains going by carrying coal, grain, cars, potash, containers, Sulfur, petroleum. I love it. Though I hate typing on this iPhone.

Webbo
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: Bealman on September 05, 2017, 01:31:07 AM
Sounds like you're in trainspotting heaven, Ian.  :thumbsup:

Nice building, Dats!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: Webbo on September 05, 2017, 03:08:49 AM
Yep George. Maybe not quite heaven, but pretty high in the sky just the same.
And, I agree that Dats has shown us some fine modelling.

Webbo
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: dats475 on September 08, 2017, 04:28:28 PM
Thank you guys!!

Webbo, please don't forget to share your  Canadian train pictures with us.

I'm ballasting now and didn't progress much.
Anyway, I found a picture while I was deleting my cellphone photos.
I don't know anything about photography but some natural light can trick my eyes.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/55/5197-080917162635.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=55241)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/55/5197-110917035003.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=55564)

Dats
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: dats475 on September 13, 2017, 12:59:35 AM
Hello

Here is a new video.


Dats
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: texhorse on September 13, 2017, 03:53:53 PM
I love it Dats!!!!  Your sense of humour is so like mine, (not sure that's a good thing or not!)  The Wash line is officially open for business!

Andy
UK
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: Webbo on September 13, 2017, 07:33:59 PM
I love it too Dats. Also, good to see the line running. The backgrounds are very effective.
Webbo
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: mr magnolia on September 13, 2017, 11:30:37 PM
Great stuff dats.👍🏽
Looks like your getting the empire together!
Donald
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: Rich_S on September 15, 2017, 02:22:41 PM
Hi Dats, Thank you for including this link on your YouTube page. You have a lot more information on this forum about your layout, than on the MRH forum. I'm enjoying reading all the info you've posted. I really like the new extension and look forward to seeing your future updates. Now I have to figure out how to update my profile on this forum :smiley-laughing:  Then maybe I'll start a new P&WV thread on this forum  :D

Cheers,
Rich S.
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: dats475 on September 15, 2017, 07:56:54 PM
Hello

Captain Andy, I always start with serious video but somehow it became something else but serious video in process.
I need to see more of your videos. Andy!
I'm eagerly waiting for Cascade 3!!

Webbo, I need to see your Canadian RR pictures!!
Please share with us. Are you back in Australia now?

Donald, yes I'm a king in my closet. Outside of closet, my wife is the king, my daughter is the Queen and I'm a their servant and a garbage disposal unit.
By the way, how's your yard area?
Any progress?

Rich!! What a great surprise!!
Dispite of my laziness, I was able to post some stuff on this forum.
I met a lot of great modellers here.
I have two hobbies.
One is model railroading and second is staring at wall while I'm picking my nose.
Sometimes, my second hobby consume a lot of my time but expert modellers here are helping me to make my second hobby time to minimum.
Please start your layout thread ASAP!!
Your experience and knowledge would benefit us(well, at least for me).

Dats
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: dats475 on September 15, 2017, 08:02:15 PM
I forgot to post this.....

Every major cities in US, between residential and industrial there is an area with suspicious businesses.
We never see anybody purchasing anything, yet they are able to keep their shop open.
Here is the one on my Wash industrial Lead. My scratch built used automobiles dealer.
Nobody saw a person actually purchasing a car.
According to rumors, they are selling stolen vehicles.
Very suspicious indeed!
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/55/5197-150917195940.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=55861)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/55/5197-150917200016.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=55862)

Dats
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: Rich_S on September 15, 2017, 08:53:26 PM
I forgot to post this.....
([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/55/5197-150917195940.jpeg[/url]) ([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=55861[/url])
Dats


Now, Now Dats, they are keeping the doors open by making repairs to other peoples cars (wink, wink)  :smiley-laughing: :laugh:

Dats, I really like the used car lot, it looks great and fits that corner perfectly. Now you just need to add some of these signs to the building and you'll be set.

https://www.google.com/search?q=ok+used+cars+sign&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi6m86e-6fWAhVK4YMKHcBHDCgQ_AUICigB&biw=1920&bih=948#imgrc=_ (https://www.google.com/search?q=ok+used+cars+sign&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi6m86e-6fWAhVK4YMKHcBHDCgQ_AUICigB&biw=1920&bih=948#imgrc=_)
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: texhorse on September 15, 2017, 10:14:31 PM
Dats I cannot believe there is a criminal fraternity even in N Scale.  Is nowhere safe? 

"Cascade 3"?  Between you and me, I think "Montrose and Highland Railroad 41" is going to happen before that....

Andy
UK
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: dats475 on September 15, 2017, 10:51:24 PM
Rich!!
Thank you very much for your idea and the link.
I definitely make some sign to hide my rubbish building.
I'm looking forward to seeing your thread!!

Andy,
Yes, those folks existing even in 1/160.
Apparently, the new trackage run through a funky neiberhood.
M&HRR first? Great!!
As we speak, I'm doing my second hobby.
I need inspiration, Captain!
Ignite me please.

Dats
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: Webbo on September 16, 2017, 05:36:24 AM
Hi Dats

That looks like a great place to buy a used car at a VERY good price I'll bet even in N Scale. Do they do mail orders? As for pics from me, I'm just back from Canada and I have no excuses now for not posting except for poor photography and coordination problems trying to type things on my iphone. Rather than muck up yours, I'll put a few of my photos on another thread.

Inspiration - in short supply with me too. Hopefully we'll get over it tho you seem to be doing a lot better than me.

Webbo
 
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: dats475 on September 16, 2017, 04:17:38 PM
Hi Webbo

How was the trip?
How long was flight? I assume that it takes more than 12 hours. If so what did you do on the plane?

I made tiny signs.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/55/5197-160917161508.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=55894)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/55/5197-160917161602.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=55895)

Dats
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: texhorse on September 16, 2017, 07:03:09 PM
"Ignite" you Dats?  That's a bit harsh My Friend!
 ;D

If you mean "inspire" you, I can understand that!

Andy
UK
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: Rich_S on September 16, 2017, 11:43:16 PM
I made tiny signs.
([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/55/5197-160917161508.jpeg[/url]) ([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=55894[/url])
([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/55/5197-160917161602.jpeg[/url]) ([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=55895[/url])

Dats


Dats, Your signs look great  :thumbsup: Did you print those on your printer? I need to make more signs for my layout, but it seem like my second hobby is taking over my first hobby  :laugh3: What my second hobby, staring at this computer screen  :smiley-laughing:
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: Dr. John on September 17, 2017, 02:19:35 AM
Love the Wash Industrial extension - it really has the look and feel of a SP industrial branch. Great scenery (so far!) and the used car lot is a nice touch. Who is the sales manager, Slim Shady?
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: Webbo on September 17, 2017, 02:54:51 AM
Hi Dats

My flight time was 15 hours direct between Vancouver and Sydney followed by 3 1/2 hours on the bus from Sydney to Canberra. The flight wasn't bad as the plane left at close to mid-night and I was able to sleep for about 10 hours of it. I spent quite a bit of my waking time watching episodes of the Big Bang Theory on the plane's entertainment system. Even though the sound system is pretty crummy, the actors speak clearly on the BBT so not a problem unlike what happens in many movies.

I too very much like the look of the yard area - gives the impression of being dry, a bit scruffy and run-down - much like I imagine the real thing to be.

I see sign writing in my near future as well, and seem to recall that you were using a printer for yours?

Webbo
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: dats475 on September 18, 2017, 03:06:55 AM
Hello

Andy, thank you.
Yes, please inspire me.
I'm still waiting for your new video!!

Rich, I used ordinary home printer with ordinary plain paper.
I can't afford any fancy equipment at this moment.
Thank you for your reply!!

Dr.John, thank you for your comment.
Do you live near the area I modelling? Somewhere in LA?
If so, I might need help from you.
I live 3000,miles away. So it's hard to get details of the area!!

Webbo, 15 hours!!
I wish I can sleep well in an airplane.
Looking forward see your thread!

OK, I made some billboards to cover up my rubbish Auto dealer.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/55/5197-180917030513.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=55937)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/55/5197-180917030246.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=55936)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/55/5197-180917025933.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=55935)
Next door not modelled Car Wash.
"Domo Arigatou Miyagi-san. Say hello to the kid".

Dats


Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: texhorse on September 18, 2017, 07:20:30 AM
I don't know why you say it's a rubbish car sales place Dats, it looks fine to me!  Just needs a bit of detailing that's all.  Print off some pictures of car sales rooms off the internet and glue them behind the windows.  Put an air con unit on the side.  Get a few more cars around the place.  Put a dodgy character waiting for customers outside.

Job done!  You could do that in less than an hour.  Trust me, that car sales place is fine, but you can make it even better!

Andy
UK
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: Webbo on September 18, 2017, 08:15:41 AM
Terrific signs Dats

I particularly love the 'No Credit Check' sign. Buy a car from these guys at your peril. Is Mr Miyagi's car wash an automatic one or employees using hoses and sponges?

Webbo
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: Rich_S on September 18, 2017, 11:13:19 PM

([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/55/5197-180917030513.jpeg[/url]) ([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=55937[/url])

([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/55/5197-180917030246.jpeg[/url]) ([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=55936[/url])

([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/55/5197-180917025933.jpeg[/url]) ([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=55935[/url])

Dats


Hi Dats, I love the car wash sign, Mr. Miyagi trained the staff, is the kid still using the "Wax On, Wax Off" technique, that is very funny  :smiley-laughing: The signs look great  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: Dr. John on September 20, 2017, 09:05:35 PM
Hi Dats,

No, I don't live near LA but have been to the southwest US several times. You've captured the colors and details which prevail in that region. Your layout just looks "right." All the more amazing as you use inexpensive materials and work in a small space - absolutely amazing work!
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: dats475 on September 20, 2017, 10:30:19 PM
Hi Andy
My car dealer's Windows are crooking, Andy.
I used $0.99 plastic sign as walls, the material was too thin. I try to enforce with some styrene rods but still crooking.
So my brain told me that next logical step would be just hide it. (what a simple brain I have!)

Hi, Webbo and Rich
The Car wash has a machine but they use hoses and sponges.
They hire local punk kids for cheap labor and Mr. Miyagi-san would straight them out.
According to rumors, some of those punk kids eventually went Cambridge University.

Dr. John
Thank you very much for your compliment.
I've been struggling with low hobby budget but great modellers here helping me with a lot of great ideas and inspirations!!

I added a cross bucks, utility poles, a "Colombo" billboard, parking signs and a Wig Wag signal.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/56/5197-200917221938.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=56018)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/56/5197-200917222033.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=56019)


(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/56/5197-200917222157.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=56020)

I haven't glue any of these. I need to put up a hardboard backdrop first.
Experienced modellers would install a backdrop first but once again I'm totally ignoring their advice and blindly enjoying the hobby.

Dats
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: dannyboy on September 20, 2017, 10:36:44 PM
and blindly enjoying the hobby.


That's the way to do it Dats, and, some of your modelling is excellent and giving me a few ideas which I can 'borrow'.  :beers:
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: texhorse on September 20, 2017, 10:37:55 PM
Dats, "borrow" some more lego bricks and use them to bulk out the walls of the building.  If you glue those on the inside, the walls will be more stable.

Andy
UK
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: dats475 on October 01, 2017, 02:25:12 PM
Hi Andy

Thank you. I totally forgot about Lego blocks.
I wanted see through tinted windows for show room inside.
But at this point, I should use a Lego block.

Well, I've been trying to figure out how to make metal corrugated fence.
I couldn't find a material that corrugated both side in "N" size.
so I made it myself.
This is a test one.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/56/5197-011017141020.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=56283)

I used spare piece of this.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/56/5197-011017141221.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=56284)

And thin foil.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/56/5197-011017141331.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=56285)

Glue it to homemade frame.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/56/5197-011017141504.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=56286)

Obviously it takes a long time to make frames but I'm not really hurrying to finish.

I'll think about this test one is good enough or need something better.

Dats
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: texhorse on October 01, 2017, 02:28:56 PM
Well that corrugated fence looks great Dats!  If it's an old fence, try dry brushing some orangey brown acrylic paint over it, especially near the joins to represent rust.

Why not put the Lego bricks at the back of the building, and put a printed interior in the building behind the front windows?  You can then glue the interior to the Lego bricks which you would otherwise have seen through the front!

Andy
UK
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: Dr. John on October 01, 2017, 05:02:01 PM
I think the fence looks great! I've seen the method used in HO and O but it seems to work equally well for N. Nice work!
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: dats475 on October 02, 2017, 09:54:28 PM
Thank you, Andy and Dr. John!!
I appreciate your reply very much!

Now the fence is complete.
I'm not happy with weathering but learning experience in progress. I'll do it a little bit better next time... Hopefully.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/56/5197-021017212653.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=56321)

I'm experimenting with a photo.
Obviously I need to change the angle and most importantly the road colour must match for layout road colour.
Vehicles on the picture are too modern too.
But I wanted to test it how it looks.
Eventually I want to get this kind of effect on backdrop.... Again, hopefully.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/56/5197-021017221026.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=56325)

And yes, I need more lights. 
Although with nakid eyes, it's not bad.
A LED strip would be nice to have In future...when I won a lottery ticket.

Dats

Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: Webbo on October 02, 2017, 10:18:19 PM
Dats

This looks very good. You have a wonderful knack for weathering your buildings to make them look real.

The background in your second photo really does look like a continuation of the street. The change in road colour could certainly be real, but if anyone is bothered by it, could you not change the colour of your foreground road? Perhaps it might be easier to paint the road in the background scene to better match the foreground colour.

Webbo

Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: texhorse on October 02, 2017, 10:48:11 PM
Why so critical Dats?

You are always telling me I'm too humble, well the same can be said of yourself my friend!  The fencing looks just right.  Once you've filled the yard with whatever the business trades in, it will look less spartan, and will be great.

As for the road, you've nailed it!  Don't change a thing.  It's great!

Andy
UK
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: Rich_S on October 02, 2017, 10:59:26 PM
Hi Dats, The photo backdrop for the highway looks great. From that angle I cannot tell where the layout ends and the backdrop begins, great job.  I also like the fence, what a super idea. My only suggestion is go over the fence with a super light wash of flat black. I'm talking super light, just a couple of drops of flat black in a 1 oz. bottle of Isopropyl alcohol. Keep up the great work Dats, your layout is such an inspiration  :thumbsup:

 
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: Webbo on October 03, 2017, 12:11:56 AM
Hi Dats

Swapping that second photo really has done the trick for the road colour. My previous comment applied to the original photo and not to the latest scene. Like Rich says it really does give the impression of one looking down a street with no noticeable differentiation between model and backdrop. Well done!

Webbo
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: dannyboy on October 03, 2017, 08:22:19 AM
I have to agree about the backdrop - where's the join  ???
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: maridunian on October 04, 2017, 11:20:27 AM
Excellent scenic work, Dats. I can't quite read the Chivas Regal poster - is that Colombo on it?

Mike
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: dats475 on October 07, 2017, 12:22:34 AM
Thank you very much everyone for your comments and encouragements.
I often think while working in my closet "What the heck am I doing in this stinky closet? I should be working as a fashion model." Then I told my wife about it and she said "ONLY good looking person can be a model."
I think that's not fair.
Anyway, without each of you, I would not enjoy the hobby this much. I really appreciate your help guys!!!

Well, I bought parking meters and they are on the layout now.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/56/5197-071017001113.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=56408)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/56/5197-071017001155.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=56409)

I also scratch built a Mobil office for my new industry.
The industry (?) Is called DCCS.
I let you guess what it is.
Not many people modelling this fascinating facility.... For a reason.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/56/5197-071017001657.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=56410)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/56/5197-071017001741.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=56411)

I have a question for you.
Where can I get a Dump truck and a Front loader without breaking my wallet?
I'm having hard time finding them especially the Front loader.
If you know it please let me know!

"One more thing." Yes, it's Colombo, Mike.
Rich, yes I would try wash. (I'm really bad at it some reason.)

Dats
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: Rich_S on October 07, 2017, 01:00:32 AM

I have a question for you.
Where can I get a Dump truck and a Front loader without breaking my wallet?
I'm having hard time finding them especially the Front loader.
If you know it please let me know!

Dats


Hi Dats, The only ones I know of are metal kits from GHQ and they are going to set you back about the price of a Micro-Trains Freight car.

http://www.modeltrainstuff.com/GHQ-N-53014-IT18F-Log-Loader-Kit-p/ghq-53014.htm (http://www.modeltrainstuff.com/GHQ-N-53014-IT18F-Log-Loader-Kit-p/ghq-53014.htm)
http://www.modeltrainstuff.com/GHQ-N-53013-Ford-9000-Dump-Truck-Kit-p/ghq-53013.htm (http://www.modeltrainstuff.com/GHQ-N-53013-Ford-9000-Dump-Truck-Kit-p/ghq-53013.htm)

I think the log loader can be doctored to look like a front loader.



Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: Webbo on October 07, 2017, 01:48:41 AM
Dats

Your office and the facility look very convincing to me. As to what the facility is, you've got me stumped. My wild guess is that you are selling soil or mulch for gardens. manure maybe?

Showcase Miniatures also sells dump truck kits, though like GHQ they are not cheap.

https://www.showcaseminiatures.net/n_scale/n_scale_vehicles/ (https://www.showcaseminiatures.net/n_scale/n_scale_vehicles/)

Webbo

Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: 70000 on October 07, 2017, 08:54:25 AM
Bachmann used to do a front loader in one of their "vehicle packs" in the past. I've got one and I think it came with a Euclid style dump truck, tow truck and a low sided truck. They were rather basic models, but were easily upgraded with a bit of work.
Whether you can find one nowadays is another matter.....
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: daffy on October 07, 2017, 09:31:04 AM
DM Toys in Germany have a selection of construction vehicles from various manufacturers, including a couple of loaders:

https://www.en.dm-toys.de/liste/tags_en/baufahrzeug_en.html (https://www.en.dm-toys.de/liste/tags_en/baufahrzeug_en.html)
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: texhorse on October 07, 2017, 06:00:26 PM
Do you mean something like this Dats?

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/N-Scale-1970-International-Rusty-RR-Tie-Truck-/112590489152?hash=item1a36ea8640:g:wR8AAOxyUylTPfpH (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/N-Scale-1970-International-Rusty-RR-Tie-Truck-/112590489152?hash=item1a36ea8640:g:wR8AAOxyUylTPfpH)

I've used this guy for a few vehicles on the MHRR, and like them a lot.  There's a few different ones you might find useful in his sales.

Andy
UK
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: maridunian on October 08, 2017, 11:28:17 PM
Where can I get a Dump truck and a Front loader without breaking my wallet?
I'm having hard time finding them especially the Front loader.
If you know it please let me know!


Hi Dats - have you looked at "Outland Models" - they seem basic, but cheap and could be improved by painting/weathering the Dats way.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Outland-Models-Railway-Miniature-Heavy-Construction-Vehicle-Set-N-Gauge-1-160-/391597731295?hash=item5b2d0b2ddf:g:Z2cAAOSw5IJWeLNX (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Outland-Models-Railway-Miniature-Heavy-Construction-Vehicle-Set-N-Gauge-1-160-/391597731295?hash=item5b2d0b2ddf:g:Z2cAAOSw5IJWeLNX)

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Outland-Models-Railway-Scenery-Country-Farm-Tractor-Set-with-Straw-N-Gauge-1-160-/391659620505?hash=item5b30bb8899:g:lYIAAOSwnHZYXPrW (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Outland-Models-Railway-Scenery-Country-Farm-Tractor-Set-with-Straw-N-Gauge-1-160-/391659620505?hash=item5b30bb8899:g:lYIAAOSwnHZYXPrW)

Enjoy!

Mike

Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: dats475 on October 15, 2017, 03:49:45 AM
Thank you very much for your information!
I didn't know most of manufactures or websites.
So thank you very much for your help!!  :NGaugersRule:
I'm surprised that not many construction vehicles are readily available as I imagine.
I thought every major manufacturers are producing those but I was wrong.

Speaking of wrong, one of turnouts got false electrical contact.
And everytime an engine run over the switch, it would stall.
It was working before but when I ballasted it became problematic.
So I soldered a thin jump wire.
To my surprise, it's working so good now!
No hesitation nor engine light flickering. Even ultra slow speed!!
I usually don't succeed those repairs but I did good this time. Rare phenomena!
Now it's fun to run a train again.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/56/5197-151017033342.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=56703)
It's not a beautiful soldering job and hard to see on the photo but it's working!! Yay!!

I'm still contemplating about the vehicles.
Dats

Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: texhorse on October 15, 2017, 07:51:47 AM
There you were, telling me I'm some sort of electrics guru Dats!  I wouldnt' dare touch my turnouts, unless I was fitting a frog juicer to one!

By the way, the soldering is fine.  It doesn't jump out at you at all.

Andy
UK
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: maridunian on October 15, 2017, 07:16:42 PM
Speaking of wrong, one of turnouts got false electrical contact.
And everytime an engine run over the switch, it would stall.
It was working before but when I ballasted it became problematic.
So I soldered a thin jump wire.
To my surprise, it's working so good now!

Brave man!

If you're bugged by the solder, maybe file flat, or better, paint it rail-colour!

Mike
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: Rich_S on October 18, 2017, 12:31:53 AM
Hi Dats, You're braver than I, adding a jumper wire to an already laid turnout. A common problem is the point rails loosing contact with the built in jumper plate. My method of cleaning these is using Isopropyl Alcohol and a old tooth brush.

Using a Pipette to apply some Alcohol to the jumper plates.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/56/6318-181017002521.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=56806)

Then using a old tooth brush to clean the area.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/56/6318-181017002655.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=56807)

I've also been trying a product called DeoxIT D5. It seems to be doing the trick with the added benefit of being safe on plastics.
https://www.amazon.com/Hosa-D5S-6-DeoxIT-Contact-Cleaner/dp/B00006LVEU/ref=sr_1_1/143-0119234-7110642?ie=UTF8&qid=1508283041&sr=8-1&keywords=deoxit+d5 (https://www.amazon.com/Hosa-D5S-6-DeoxIT-Contact-Cleaner/dp/B00006LVEU/ref=sr_1_1/143-0119234-7110642?ie=UTF8&qid=1508283041&sr=8-1&keywords=deoxit+d5)

Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: texhorse on October 18, 2017, 08:23:09 AM
Hi Rich

The alcohol is something I use on point blades as well.  I used a microbrush to clean the blades though, as I'm a bit worried I'd bend the blades with a toothbrush.  Be gentle!

Andy
UK
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: Webbo on October 18, 2017, 08:24:45 AM
Hi Rich

Here is a brush for cleaning turnout blades that works for me. The handle of the brush is 10 cm long and the width of the bristle part of the brush is only 1.5 mm wide so it fits nicely between the turnout blade and the rail. Dip it in rail cleaner or IPA and away you go. Don't ask me where I got these brushes from - if I could remember I'd get myself a whole lot more.


(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/56/4229-181017082158.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=56817)

Webbo

Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: dannyboy on October 18, 2017, 08:30:58 AM
Search for micro brush. Just one such supplier -

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/100-200Pcs-Swab-Micro-Brush-Disposable-Microbrush-Applicators-Eyelash-Extensions-/162633614401?var=&hash=item25ddb80441:m:mpDJ89g2EVoihoEBsL39ueQ (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/100-200Pcs-Swab-Micro-Brush-Disposable-Microbrush-Applicators-Eyelash-Extensions-/162633614401?var=&hash=item25ddb80441:m:mpDJ89g2EVoihoEBsL39ueQ)
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: dats475 on October 18, 2017, 09:29:46 PM
Hi guys!

Thank you so  much for your tips and links!!
I appreciate them very much!

I've been using "Rich method" for cleaning the contact plates.
But this particular turnout was  stubborn one. Toothbrush didn't work.
Matter of fact I soldered two sets of jump wires before installation.
It was working well until I ballasted though.
I must did a really bad job on ballasting.
It was a pain because every time a loco would stall on the switch and I had to poke it to start again.
I used to test the electrical continuity with highly "Low-technical" method. Did I use an electrical meter?
No, I just placed one truck of loco on the spots to see if wheels would turn.
Well, Rich is right. The plates was not working.
Since toothbrush didn't work and I actually I lost the brush. (Hopefully I didn't used it to actually brush my teeth again!)
Ignorance is bliss, I didn't even think about a consequences of failure, I just soldered a jump wire.
I can't really see it from my normal view angle so it was rare success.
I just got lucky this time and I'm a happy camper again.....for now.

A little bit of progress.
I installed a backboard and painted it.
I managed to cut it too short and I had to Fix it.
Yes, I used a handsaw. My arms are very sore at this time.
I'm planning to use my Low- Tech photo scenery again.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/56/5197-181017210332.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=56862)

I'm still thinking about a dump truck and a front loader.
Without them, I can't develop a new industry.
To be continued........

Dats
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: dats475 on October 22, 2017, 11:23:54 PM
Hello!

I'm experimenting with Low-Tech photo backdrop.
Still testing stage but my printer is low of colour inks.
So I might have to shuffle round to compose a scene with already printed pictures.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/57/5197-221017231920.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=57114)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/57/5197-221017232019.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=57115)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/57/5197-221017232118.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=57116)

Believe it or not, I'm still searching and choosing a Dump truck and a Front loader.

Dats
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: Webbo on October 23, 2017, 12:10:39 AM
I'll tell you what Dats, the goods stacked up on the inside of your shed look very effective. And, it's not obvious what's background and what's not in your scenes.

Good going
Webbo
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: texhorse on October 23, 2017, 07:25:31 AM
It's coming together really nicely, Dats.  Good job!

Andy
UK
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: maridunian on October 23, 2017, 05:34:49 PM
Great modelling and photography!

Mike
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: dats475 on October 23, 2017, 10:34:28 PM
Thank you for your comments, guys!!

I made a tarp load for my gondola car today.
I used a Foamcore board and a tissue paper.
I fixed tissue paper with paint and white glue water mixture.
I saw this technique a long time ago on a Japanese modeller's video.
It looks easy to make so I tried it.

I'm not happy with the side length of the tarp so I might redo it in the future.
But for now it'll do fine for me.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/57/5197-231017223014.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=57139)

I put a poster pin (? Or picture pin? I don't know what it called) underneath of Foamcore load so I can pick it up with a magnet.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/57/5197-231017223251.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=57140)

Dats  :camera:
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: Rich_S on October 24, 2017, 11:44:12 PM
Hi Dats, Very nice tarp load for your gondola. That was a great idea putting a pin in the load so you can remove it with a magnet. I'd imagine a paper clip would also work?

   
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: dats475 on October 27, 2017, 01:18:16 AM
Hi Rich

Thank you for your comment.
How's your layout coming? Hopefully we can see more of the Long Valley layout details on your thread!

Well, nothing major progress is happening in my closet but I found a Bachmann forklift in my junk box.
So I challenged to improve the vehicle.

I forgot to take a photo of the original forklift but I found a picture on the internet.
Do you see a forklift on middle of platform?
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/57/5197-271017004623.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=57280)
I chopped off here and there, adding styrene a lot and made tires from junk sprue.
End up with this.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/57/5197-271017004954.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=57281)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/57/5197-271017005125.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=57282)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/57/5197-271017013818.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=57329)


The reason I did this was that I've been paying attention to details of locomotives, rollingstocks or scenery etc.
But I wasn't paying attention to vehicles and accessories.
I wonder those vehicles on layouts have to be detailed as locomotives or toy looking one is blend in enough or somewhere in between?
When I'm looking for a Dump truck and a Front loader on eBay, I started to think how those item have to be detailed for satisfying my modelling goals.

How do you think about those things?
Would you purchase expensive detailed accessories or cheap plain one is enough?

Dats

Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: Rich_S on October 27, 2017, 02:26:40 AM
Quote
Would you purchase expensive detailed accessories or cheap plain one is enough?


Hi Dats, It depends on the model and where I'm going to use it. Here are some examples.

My fork lift sitting on the dock at my box company is usually hidden by a boxcar being unloaded, so I didn't need a highly detailed fork lift.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/57/6318-271017021533.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=57333)

Now my crane in my small scrap yard is more visable, so I wanted a model with a little more detail. That is why I purchased the GHQ Bucyrus-Erie crane kit
 
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/57/6318-271017021818.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=57334)

Most of my cars are Classic Metal Works, my pickup trucks are Atlas and my full size trucks are from Athearn.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/57/6318-271017022038.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=57335)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/57/6318-271017022112.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=57336)

I've also noticed as I get older and my eyesight fades, I'm not as picky about detail as I use to be. From my normal viewing angle, I could not tell my cars need dusting  :smiley-laughing: Also from my normal viewing angle the people on my layout look OK to me, but these close-up photos show they are lacking in detail.  :-[

As for the Long Valley, things have been pretty slow, I've not added any new details to the layout. I've just been having fun running trains and switching cars at my industries keeping the customers happy with semi-dependable rail service :laugh:
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: texhorse on October 27, 2017, 02:36:59 PM
Well I like the details on both your layouts, Dats and Rich.  The forklift looks nice at the industry Dats, it's really come along well.  I also have the same factory model as you do Rich.  One thing that I improved on mine was the canopy over the loading dock.  Make a couple of support stanchions and glue them between the platform and roof. 

Dats will know this factory as Doyle Silver Group at South Pine, as I think he knows more about my layout than I do!

Andy
UK
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: dats475 on October 27, 2017, 05:42:41 PM
Yes, Doyle Silver group is a factory which produces food packaging.
They are in business there for a long time.
There is a trackage behind the building where 3 track South Pine yard is.
One of their customers is Roxo factory that producing frozen foods.

Andy made it out of DPM and he installed LED lightings. Even the loading dock has a light.
The dock light is so bright that it used be lighted South Pine control panel on his DC control days.

Rich, I really like your GHQ. They are soft metal kit aren't they?
Your forklift is good too. I can see details well highlighted.
Thank you for your pictures, Rich!!

Dats

Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: texhorse on October 27, 2017, 10:34:32 PM
He's right you know!  Only one small thing Dats, is that Roxo take plastic pellets and produce the expanded styrene food compartments you find in frozen foods, and also other plastic shapes eg blister packs and so on.  Anyway, if my computer behaves itself, you should find below my pictures at Doyle Silver Group and Roxo.  Please feel free to turn your computer monitor 90 degrees to look at the photos!  Sorry, I'm not sure how to turn them round on my phone camera....

Andy
UK

The first ones are Doyle Silver Group.  Jim the supervisor wonders why his staff cleared off before they sorted this stuff which needs to go to Atlantic & Pacific at Hartleyville in the morning!

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/57/2779-271017222800.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=57407)



(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/57/2779-271017223009.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=57408)




(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/57/2779-271017223102.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=57409)


The other two are across the tracks at Roxo Plastics.  The GP15-1 has just switched in two empty cars, which will take some plastic inserts and then be moved back to Doyle Silver Group to have cardboard printed packaging added to the box cars.


(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/57/2779-271017223252.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=57410)



(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/57/2779-271017223318.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=57411)
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: Rich_S on October 28, 2017, 12:26:43 AM
Rich, I really like your GHQ. They are soft metal kit aren't they?
Your forklift is good too. I can see details well highlighted.
Thank you for your pictures, Rich!!

Dats

Hi Dats, Thank you for the compliments on the crane kit. Your fork lift came out really well and makes a nice addition to your industry scene.

The GHQ crane kit is a combination of soft metal and brass. The boom is brass and the remainder of the kit is soft metal. I used CA Super Glue to glue all the parts together and painted the kit with Polly Scale paints.

Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: Rich_S on October 28, 2017, 12:31:43 AM

Sorry, I'm not sure how to turn them round on my phone camera....

Andy
UK

Hi Andy, If I lay on the floor and look at my computer monitor, your photos look just fine (ha ha ha) :smiley-laughing:  At least you didn't end up with the up side down pictures like some folks get from their phones  :laugh3: It's all in good fun. Thank you Andy for posting the pictures of your two industries  :thumbsup:

Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: dats475 on October 30, 2017, 02:16:38 AM
Hello again!

I got three cars courtesy of my brother in law.
He is building a huge N scale layout. His YouTube channel https://m.youtube.com/channel/UCNvQHebRVhBYociancz93Kw (https://m.youtube.com/channel/UCNvQHebRVhBYociancz93Kw)

Also this thread is helping me a great deal.
 :NGF:  thank you.
http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=36201.0 (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=36201.0)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/57/5197-301017020841.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=57470)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/57/5197-301017021121.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=57471)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/57/5197-301017021311.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=57472)

I'll try to paint some details tomorrow.

Dats  :camera:
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: dannyboy on October 30, 2017, 02:28:59 AM
It's looking good dats and that layout of your brother-in-laws, flipping 'eck, (as we say back home in Yorkshire), it sure is some size  :goggleeyes:.
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: Webbo on October 30, 2017, 04:29:54 AM
Thanks Dats

Your brother-in-law has some very nice rocks, vegetation and bridges. In one of his clips I thought I recognised the new Intermountain SD40-2s with sound and sure enough the engine numbers match the IM release. I see you've got a couple of videos on there too. Shouldn't be looking at them now as I'm supposed to be working.

Webbo
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: dats475 on October 30, 2017, 05:18:29 PM
Hi Dannyboy

How are you doing?
Yeah, he is building quite extensive layout.
He is using innovative technology too.
His train length is average of 30-40 cars!!
And I Just let you know that my maximum train length is 4 cars.  :'(


Hi Webbo

Yes, he has two IM engines with Lok sound.
He is enjoying those locos!!
The sound is pretty loud and impressive!!

Well, I tried to improve the cars that my brother-in-Low gave me.
I don't have a fine point silver colour pen so it came out a bit unsatisfactory.
I didn't paint head lights since those cars will be parking with its engine off.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/57/5197-301017165907.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=57490)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/57/5197-301017170054.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=57491)

Because I've been cheap and didn't buy a sliver fine point pen, now I could order a dump truck.
Seller listed as a 1996 vehicle so it'll be a little too modern for my ear but I ordered it anyway.
If some rivet-counter modellers showed up, I'll hide in my Closet.
And while I'm hiding my closet, I would run a train and enjoying myself.

Dats  :camera:
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: Rich_S on October 30, 2017, 10:26:57 PM

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([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/57/5197-301017170054.jpeg[/url]) ([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=57491[/url])

Dats


Hi Dats,
   The cars look great  :thumbsup:  Your brother in law looks like he's off to a good start on his layout.

Quote
And while I'm hiding my closet, I would run a train and enjoying myself.


Now I know why you built a layout in your closest  :smiley-laughing:

Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: dats475 on November 03, 2017, 11:46:13 PM
Hello?

Thank you Rich!
My brother-in-low is purchasing trains like a madman and I'm quite jealous but happy for him at moment.

I finally got a dump truck today!!!
It came painted but cab area was done quite badly.
I retouched, added rear tire covers and anti-splash thingies. (what do you call those? I know they have a name but I forgot.)
I also lightly weathered the truck.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/57/5197-031117232636.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=57598)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/57/5197-031117232802.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=57599)

Now I know the size of the truck so I can detail the ground of this facility.
Hopefully I can treat the ground the way I want it.

Well, I need total of 13 vehicles, I have 7 so far.
Oh yes, I purchased a resin car kit yesterday. So will be 8 cars soon.
I found out that shapeways has a lot of vehicles that I want to obtain but price are a little higher than my hobby budget.
Resin kits are cheaper.

Additionally, I weathered a covered hopper but I have a mixed feelings about this.
I want to learn how to weather more subtlety.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/57/5197-031117233525.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=57600)

Dats
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: Webbo on November 03, 2017, 11:57:43 PM
Hi Dats

You still haven't told us what those piles are in your shed. I had guessed soil, mulch, or maybe manure for gardens. Am I close?

Your weathering on the hopper looks pretty good to me. Some of these cars are pretty weather beaten in reality.

Webbo
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: texhorse on November 04, 2017, 06:26:29 PM
That dumper truck is a nice vehicle Dats.  I think they are called mud flaps.  Well they are in this country anyway.  I like the weathering on the hopper.  It's not overdone at all.

However, for a more subtle approach, have you tried "drybrushing"?  If you aren't sure what it is, there are plenty of youtube videos which will explain it better than I can here.  If you're feeling brave, try drybrushing some pale brown onto your new dumper truck!

Andy
UK
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: Rich_S on November 04, 2017, 09:38:42 PM
Hi Dats, As Andy mentioned the "anti-splash thingies" are called Mud Flaps here in the USA as well. Your weathers covered hopper looks nice. Another method of weathering involves using chalks. To weather with chalks, find some earth tone chalks at a art and craft store. Get the cheap ones, they work fine. Use the back of a hobby knife to scrap some chalk onto a piece of paper, then use a small 00 soft paint brush to rub the chalk onto the model. The nice thing about chalks, if you don't like how the model turned out, wash off the chalk and start over. Once you are happy with the way the model looks, seal the chalk onto the model using Testors Dull Coat in the spray can. I should mention now, when you use the Testors Dull Coat, use it in a well ventilated area, like outside, don't use the Testors Dull Coat in your closet, you're be sorry, it's very stinky   :smiley-laughing:

Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: dats475 on November 10, 2017, 10:16:19 PM
Thank you for your comments, guys!!!

I bought this resin kit.
It says 1971 Plymouth Duster. Since my layout is supposedly in 1982(Subject to change without notice) so the car should be 11 years old.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/57/5197-101117213959.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=57979)
The quality is a little rough on this one.
My bad painting skills enhancing sadness of outcome.
With naked eyes, it's not noticeable as in the photo and that's my excuse anyway.
I painted it with unattractive green.
When I have more energy, I'll try to touch up a bit.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/57/5197-101117220527.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=57983)
I tried to fix this but I couldn't. Please enjoy it while you're in a Yoga class being upside down.
And no, it's not a James Bond's car. You can't drive it upside down.


I also added more spills to make it a little bit more natural looking on this scene.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/57/5197-101117215526.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=57981)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/57/5197-101117215749.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=57982)

Webbo, I let you know my theme of my extension when I post next time.
I'm not keeping it secret or anything but I want to show it with pictures.
(Well, I'm just too tired at the moment.)

Dats


Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: texhorse on November 10, 2017, 10:19:13 PM
That's a nice looking box car next to the yellow one Dats!

Andy
UK
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: dannyboy on November 10, 2017, 10:30:41 PM
Again, some more excellent detailing dats.   :thumbsdown: (Read the thumbs down when looking at the car  ;D).
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: dats475 on November 10, 2017, 10:54:58 PM
Hello or I should say good evening!

Andy, yes the boxcar came from South pine yard, Indiana.
Unfortunately when it got here, the crews exceeded their hour of service law.
And the railroad is not filling the job so it's not moving for a week.
The car contained toilet papers so a lot of households are having an emergency situation.

Hahaha good stuff as always, Dannyboy!!!
Thank you for a thumbs down for upside down...wait, upside down of thumbs down for upside down picture. Wait,...my brain hurts.

Dats
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: Rich_S on November 10, 2017, 11:14:32 PM
Hi Dats, Nothing Wrong with a '71 Duster in '82, heck in another 9 years that car will be a classic and somebody will be looking to buy it and restore it back to it's '71 appearance.  :smiley-laughing:  If you want to get really fancy, paint it like this one.

 
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/57/6318-101117231340.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=57984)


I like the continued improvements on the new branch, it looks great  :thumbsup:

Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: Webbo on November 11, 2017, 07:27:29 AM
As a Plymouth man, when I was young I was keen on the Duster 340. Seemed to me to be not overly expensive and could go like a rocket. I've finally managed to get one - it is 30 mm long and has zero horsepower like the one Dats has. Mine is a Willsmodels kit and I've yet to make it up. Looks OK so far but I've yet to get my hands on it to muck it up.

Rich, the photo of the Duster shows it to be a fine looking car. Thanks. No opportunity for seeing anything like that here in Oz I'm afraid.

Webbo 
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: Bob Tidbury on November 11, 2017, 08:53:09 AM
That car looks very much like a Ford Capri but with a bigger boot or trunk as the Americans call it.
Bob Tidbury
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: Rich_S on November 11, 2017, 12:06:47 PM

Rich, the photo of the Duster shows it to be a fine looking car. Thanks. No opportunity for seeing anything like that here in Oz I'm afraid.

Webbo

Hi Webbo, It is amazing how many classic and antique cars are still on the road here in the states. It's true you'll only see them in the summer time and mostly at car shows. In the small town where I live, we had our annual apple festival a month ago, there were two city blocks worth of classic cars, all lined up side by side.

Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: Rich_S on November 11, 2017, 12:18:09 PM
That car looks very much like a Ford Capri but with a bigger boot or trunk as the Americans call it.
Bob Tidbury


Hi Bob,
   Here is the car my dad owned when I was just a young lad,

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/57/6318-111117121143.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=57991)

For the longest time my dad was a Ford man and I thought this car was the best looking car to hit the streets. The only problem was, as us kids got older, we started going on camping vacations (Holidays?) and my dad traded the Ford Fairlane 500 for a Dodge Station Wagon. As a young kid I was crushed, dad went from owning a cool car to a station wagon  :smiley-laughing: As an adult I understand, how would we ever fit all that camping gear and tent into the trunk of that Ford  :laugh:

Sorry Dats, I'm not trying to steal your thread with car stories  :wave:


Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: dats475 on November 13, 2017, 04:01:27 AM
Thank you for your comments, guys!!
A little car can have a lot of story!
That's something I wasn't paying attention before. Cars can be a great "era" setting of the layout.

Ladies and gentlemen and model railroaders, introducing "Department of Closet County Sewerage (DCCS)".
The Wash industrial Lead has a toilet bowl manufacturer and a non-rail served industry called "Dynamite Laxative Laboratory Corp".
Now DCCS is open for rail traffic.
The facility is transporting class A Biosolids.
They are produced from nearby Sewerage water treatment plant.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biosolids (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biosolids)

The train crews quickly adapted a nickname for the assignment "Plunger job".


Dats


Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: Bealman on November 13, 2017, 04:16:29 AM
All those cars kinda remind me of Clint Eastwood in Gran Torino  ;D ;)
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: dannyboy on November 13, 2017, 04:34:42 AM
Just brilliant dats.
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: Webbo on November 13, 2017, 07:02:12 AM
Your clips just get better and better Dats.

I suppose my guess of manure was sort of right. Your biosolids make perfect fertiliser as they have the right mix of minerals. Plants grow, we eat plants, our waste gets back to plants again. I think it's all pretty cool.

Webbo 
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: texhorse on November 13, 2017, 07:13:21 AM
Another great video Dats!

 :claphappy:

I'm sure the housing market around the Poogrow plant has rocketed since the plant opened.  I can imagine sitting outside with my barbecue on a hot August evening, smelling the fragrance when the wind is blowing in the right direction....

Andy
UK
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: Bealman on November 13, 2017, 07:30:53 AM
Must admit that is a very interesting industry  :sick2:
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: daffy on November 13, 2017, 09:19:19 AM
Very... er.... aromatic, Dats! Having spent many hours at sewerage plants in my youth I get the full flavour of your video. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: Bealman on November 13, 2017, 09:34:18 AM
 :laughabovepost:  :sick: :sick2:
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: Rich_S on November 13, 2017, 12:26:05 PM
Hi Dats, The Closet Branch is looking great. I'm not sure, but it sounds like working CBL1 is a crappy job  :smiley-laughing: Keep up the great work Dats, your videos are very entertaining.  :thumbsup:

Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: Rich_S on November 14, 2017, 05:24:37 PM
Hi Dats,
    I have a question regarding your Caboose Industry ground throws. When installing your Caboose Industry Ground Throws, do you center the points on your turnouts with the ground throw handle centered (Handle pointing straight up) before mounting the ground throws? I've noticed a few of your Caboose Industry Ground Throws have the handle in the up position, they should be in the horizontal position when the points are aligned.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/58/6318-141117172237.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=58120)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/58/6318-141117172312.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=58121)

Are you using sprung or rigid Caboose Industry Ground Throws?


Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: dats475 on November 14, 2017, 08:09:49 PM
Thank you for watching, guys!!
If you feel "emptiness" or "anxiety" from waisting time, that's normal for watching my videos.
You don't need to see your doctor. It'll fade away.

Rich, you noticed it!!
Yes, I thought I centered the throws.
But it came out messed up.
Although I succeeded some of them,
rest of them are just embarrassing.
I usually test fit them and make sure it works as intended before installation. Then cement it with liquid nail and actual nails.
But when I come back to it later, it becomes funky positions.
It is holding tightly so I'm not doing anything to fix it.
Some of them are spring one and some of them are not. Depend on which one was discounted sale price at the moment of purchase.
My question is do you glue the throws?
And are you using Atlas code 80 turnouts?
If so, how do you do to ballast so perfectly?
Your picture's turnout is perfect!!

Dats
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: outofgauge on November 14, 2017, 08:30:43 PM
They look good to me Dats -that's the kind of detail only seen in high end exhibition layouts -not a novelty to me -hats off mate your eye to detail is something to aspire too !
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: Rich_S on November 14, 2017, 09:34:07 PM

My question is do you glue the throws?
And are you using Atlas code 80 turnouts?
If so, how do you do to ballast so perfectly?
Your picture's turnout is perfect!!

Dats


Hi Dats, If you look closely at the Caboose Industry Ground Throw, you'll see the long tack head in the base of the ground throw holding it in place. Yes, all of my track is Atlas code 80. I was going to use Atlas code 55, but they were having a supply problem, so I just went with the tried and true Atlas code 80. Thank you for the compliments on the ballast. The first thing I do is use Smith & Son real stone ballast for N scale. Unfortunately Dale does not have a web site. Another source for real stone ballast is Arizona Rock & Mineral Company (http://www.rrscenery.com/ (ftp://www.rrscenery.com/)

Once I have all of ballast in place, I wet everything down with 70% Isopropyl Alcohol, then I drip some 3 in 1 oil on the tie bar. Then I drip on 3:1 Elmer's white glue, using an old small glue bottle.
 
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/58/6318-141117212622.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=58131)

I keep everything centered until the glue has completely dried. So I guess in actuality, my ground throws are held in place by both the long tacks and the white glue holding the ballast.  I should also mention, all of my track is on cork roadbed. the cork holds the nails in place.

Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: Webbo on November 14, 2017, 10:20:31 PM
Rich

I too thought your ballast looked very nice.

I'm using the rubbing alcohol mix as well, but in my case it is 50:50 with water. My ballast is fine mineral stuff like yours. Unfortunately I found that a few drops of detergent in the glue mix was not a strong enough wetting agent to prevent major divots forming in the ballast when the glue was applied.

Webbo
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: Rich_S on November 14, 2017, 11:07:25 PM
Rich

I too thought your ballast looked very nice.

I'm using the rubbing alcohol mix as well, but in my case it is 50:50 with water. My ballast is fine mineral stuff like yours. Unfortunately I found that a few drops of detergent in the glue mix was not a strong enough wetting agent to prevent major divots forming in the ballast when the glue was applied.

Webbo


Hi Webbo, I use a spray bottle that has a very fine mist setting to apply the alcohol. I like the get the ballast very wet, then I apply the glue. Since the ballast is very wet, it breaks the surface tension of the water allowing the glue to soak into the ballast. I continue dripping the glue onto the ballast until the entire area has a white tint from the glue. Once the glue has dried, the ballast is as hard as a rock.

Wish I had a better camera, but I spent all my money on my trains, so I have to use this simple pocket digital camera  :smiley-laughing:

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/58/6318-141117230624.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=58139)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/58/6318-141117230659.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=58140)
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: Webbo on November 15, 2017, 01:01:10 AM
Thanks Rich

I use a mister too to dampen the surface, then I drop more wetting agent on using a hypodermic needle. By the time the glue is dropped on, it spreads very well through the ballast and sets like a rock as does yours. It's a multi-step process and time consuming, but by the time I repair the divots if I take short-cuts, it takes even longer.

Finding a suitable mister took me a while - I found one in an arts store and I've that the glasses cleaner bottles produce a nice spray as well without big drops. The Woodlands Scenics spray bottle was totally useless.

Your pictures look pretty good to me. The smartphone cameras also produce a surprisingly good result. With their small apertures they have a big depth of field which is great for model railway photography.

Webbo
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: outofgauge on November 15, 2017, 06:48:19 AM
That's some nice neat ballast Rich - what did you use on the side of the rails for weathering - woodland scenics pen or something else??
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: Rich_S on November 17, 2017, 03:58:05 AM
That's some nice neat ballast Rich - what did you use on the side of the rails for weathering - woodland scenics pen or something else??

Hi Neil, I used Polly Scale Rail Brown and Roof Brown to paint the sides of my rails. Some spots I used Polly Scale Engine Black just to simulate a greasy spot.  Unfortunately Testors discontinued the Polly Scale Paint line, but according to a conversion chart I have a close match for Rail Brown is Model Master 4708 or Model Flex 16-175 and a close match for Roof Brown is Model Master 4884 or Model Flex 16-176.



Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: outofgauge on November 17, 2017, 12:41:29 PM
Hi Rich - model masters is another hens tooth in the UK - I managed to get 2 bottles of the rust,( recommended as a replace the for testors bnsf red/brown ) last week - bit nobody at IPMS Telford even had one bottle!!!  It's either Vallejo or Ak interactive these days!  I tried to get some ttx yellow in polyscale to no avail - and the vallejo alternative is to pale a yellow!!  Have to mix my own batch for those n scale kits I'm doing! Looks like a woodland scenics pen or is!
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: Rich_S on November 17, 2017, 02:16:40 PM
Hi Rich - model masters is another hens tooth in the UK - I managed to get 2 bottles of the rust,( recommended as a replace the for testors bnsf red/brown ) last week - bit nobody at IPMS Telford even had one bottle!!!  It's either Vallejo or Ak interactive these days!  I tried to get some ttx yellow in polyscale to no avail - and the vallejo alternative is to pale a yellow!!  Have to mix my own batch for those n scale kits I'm doing! Looks like a woodland scenics pen or is!

Hi Neil, In that case according to the paint chart I have

Vallejo 71.249 is suppose to be a match for Polly Scale Roof Brown.
Vallejo 71.139 is suppose to be a match for Polly Scale Rail Brown.
Vallejo 71.037 is suppose to be a match for Polly Scale Rust.

Vallejo 72.705 is a match for Polly Scale TTX yellow, whereas Vallejo 72.706 is suppose to be a match for Polly Scale Railbox Yellow.

My chart does not list a BNSF brown, but Vallejo 71.080 is suppose to be a match for Polly Scale Santa Fe Mineral Brown.

Polly Scale Boxcar Red can be achieved by mixing one part each of Vallejo 71.038 and Vallejo 71.105
A close match for Polly Scale Oxide Red is Vallejo 72.712

Hopefully these will help? Again Sorry Dats, not trying to steal your thread just trying to help out fellow modelers  :wave:

   
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: dats475 on November 17, 2017, 08:32:32 PM
Great information, Rich!
How about matching colours for SP bloody nose scheme?
I think it's called Dark lark gray and some kind of red. I don't need them now but nice to know just in case.
Are those Vallejo available anywhere in US now?
I've been using $0.65  per a bottle craft colors (Sometime they are on sale for $0.50 each. Yay!) for a long time so I don't even know.

My brother in law gave me these.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/58/5197-171117201603.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=58260)

And I just realized that lamp posts are normally on the sidewalk(?). (I might research LA streets more.)
That means I have to make holes on the sidewalk.
Problem is my sidewalk is really narrow and I don't have any tool to make less than 1" diameter hole on more than 2" thick pink foam.
Probably there are tools out there but I'm reluctant to buy it for making just 5 holes.
What I need is very stiff and very thin everyday item that can make more than 2" deep hole.
My brother in law gave me bamboo sticks but even those are too thick!

If you can think of anything, please let me know because I can't think anything.

Dats
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: texhorse on November 17, 2017, 08:47:42 PM
Do you have any needle files Dats?  That's what I have been using to poke holes in the foam on Cascade.

Andy
UK
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: dats475 on November 17, 2017, 09:00:15 PM
Hi Andy

I have a needle file set. Actually mine is called jewelers files, I think. Are they same thing? Anyway, even my files are too thick. Tip of them are fine but when I go deeper in the foam, the middle of the file makes too large hole.  :'(

Nice locomotive, by the way!!  :claphappy:
More photos please!!
Thank you for your help, Andy!!

Dats

Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: texhorse on November 17, 2017, 09:58:10 PM
OK, well if needle files are too thick, try asking the wife if you can borrow one of her knitting needles.  Don't laugh, it's something I've done in the past!

Andy
UK
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: Rich_S on November 18, 2017, 12:47:56 AM
Great information, Rich!
How about matching colours for SP bloody nose scheme?
I think it's called Dark lark gray and some kind of red. I don't need them now but nice to know just in case.
Are those Vallejo available anywhere in US now?
I've been using $0.65  per a bottle craft colors (Sometime they are on sale for $0.50 each. Yay!) for a long time so I don't even know.

My brother in law gave me these.
([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/58/5197-171117201603.jpeg[/url]) ([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=58260[/url])

And I just realized that lamp posts are normally on the sidewalk(?). (I might research LA streets more.)
That means I have to make holes on the sidewalk.
Problem is my sidewalk is really narrow and I don't have any tool to make less than 1" diameter hole on more than 2" thick pink foam.
Probably there are tools out there but I'm reluctant to buy it for making just 5 holes.
What I need is very stiff and very thin everyday item that can make more than 2" deep hole.
My brother in law gave me bamboo sticks but even those are too thick!

If you can think of anything, please let me know because I can't think anything.

Dats


Hi Dats, Do you have a drill bit index? Hopefully you'll have a drill bit that would work for mounting your street lights?

Vallejo paints are sold by internet shops here in the USA, but you should also be able to get Testors Model Master paints as well.

For the Espee Bloody Nose paint scheme, 

Polly Scale (SP Lark Lt  Grey)  Model Master 4886  Vallejo 71.128
Polly Scale (SP Lark Dk Grey)  Model Master 4752  Vallejo 71.048
Polly Scale (SP Scarlet         )  Model Master 4629  Vallejo 71.003


Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: dats475 on November 20, 2017, 11:35:34 PM
Hi guys

You can see the size of my main layout section.
Thank you for waisting 3 minutes of your life with me.

You've been scammed.

Dats
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: Rich_S on November 20, 2017, 11:51:43 PM
Hi Dats,
   I'm impressed those 6 axle units will negotiate your 9 inch radius curves on the Closet Branch, very impressive  :D Be very careful not to give away too many secrets, I once heard there is a Closet Branch God with big hairy hands, he might steal your camera if you give away too many Closet Branch secrets  :laugh:  :D


Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: dats475 on November 21, 2017, 12:31:18 AM
Hi Rich

Thank you for waisting your 3 min. with me!  :laughabovepost:
Actually my radius are less than 9", Rich.
This section is 18" deep and I think radius is 7.5" or something like that. Believe it or not it had easements in there.
6 axles look ridiculous but the owner itself is a ridiculous person so it compensate (?) themselves!
GP9 and switchers are normal engine that I run on it.

Yeah, I shouldn't make the Branch God mad.
I'll worship him by cleaning the rails more often.

Dats
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: maridunian on November 21, 2017, 06:34:08 PM
Speaking of wrong, one of turnouts got false electrical contact.
And everytime an engine run over the switch, it would stall.
It was working before but when I ballasted it became problematic.
So I soldered a thin jump wire.
To my surprise, it's working so good now!

Brave man!

If you're bugged by the solder, maybe file flat, or better, paint it rail-colour!

Or even the colour of Class A Biosolids!
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: texhorse on November 21, 2017, 07:34:59 PM
Apparently the couple are still watching that train going past, wondering when the back of the train will go through....

 :D

Andy
UK
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: dats475 on December 03, 2017, 12:26:15 PM
Season's greetings!
Happy modelling holidays to everyone!


Dats
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: dannyboy on December 03, 2017, 12:49:58 PM
 :laughabovepost: Brilliant dats  :thankyousign:
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: tutenkhamunsleeping on December 03, 2017, 01:48:07 PM
N, N, N!  :no:
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: dats475 on December 03, 2017, 06:26:17 PM
 Hi guys

Thank you for reply and support!
Well, waiting is over! I just got a parcel. This is my first time experience with 3D printing stuff!
First of I surprised that it came with a very big box and delivered to me on Sunday.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/58/5197-031217181625.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=58866)
And two station wagon cars.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/58/5197-031217181848.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=58867)
And Front loader.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/58/5197-031217182135.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=58868)

Question. Can I wash those before painting? It looks a little oily.
I don't know I can treat them like a regular plastic material.

Dats
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: texhorse on December 03, 2017, 06:44:49 PM
An excellent video as ever, Dats!  Can't help but think more people would have turned up to the festival if they Yardmaster had advertised the event better. 

N N N!!!!

I've sent you a private message that there may be a problem with my layout!  Not so good....   :help:

Andy
UK
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: Webbo on December 03, 2017, 09:32:19 PM
Brilliant video, Dats

They just get better and better.

The detail on those Shapeways cars looks very good. You must have a thousand of them in the box they sent you. Who made them?

I don't know much (i.e. just about zero) about Shapeways stuff but I've heard on the web that you do have to wash them. No doubt there are plenty of opinions there on how you should do this.

N! N! N!
Webbo
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: Rich_S on December 03, 2017, 09:43:20 PM

Question. Can I wash those before painting? It looks a little oily.
I don't know I can treat them like a regular plastic material.

Dats

Hi Dats, To clean the FUD and FXD Shapeways parts, you need to find a product called "BESTINE" It's sold at Walmart and on Amazon. You need to soak the objects for 24 hours in the BESTINE to remove all of the wax from the FUD or FXD. Also expect the objects to change from clear to white, this is normal once the wax is removed from the FUD or FXD.

I enjoyed your Holiday Video. Wishing you, your family and the Closet Branch Crew A safe and Happy Holidays.


Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: dats475 on December 05, 2017, 10:18:26 AM
Hi guys

Webbo, I purchased from here.
https://www.shapeways.com/shops/madaboutcars?section=1%2F160&sort=&page%5Bnumber%5D=3&page%5Blimit%5D=48&page%5Border%5D=asc (https://www.shapeways.com/shops/madaboutcars?section=1%2F160&sort=&page%5Bnumber%5D=3&page%5Blimit%5D=48&page%5Border%5D=asc)
And it came with a big box for two tiny station wagon cars and a tiny front loader.

Rich, thank you for the information!
Well, my real car broke down yesterday and I couldn't get a Bestine can.
But you know me, I used alcohol to clean up and started painting.
(My excuse was "yesterday was the only time I can sit down and do my hobby".)

As you can see the result.
Typical of my amateur skills combined with not properly prepared, it came out "too thick painting with cheap paint" phenomena.
I try to thin the paint but $0.65 paints just wouldn't do it. I think colour pigments are too big.
I used a pencil on those windows this time as I saw in this thread.
http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=39533.0 (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=39533.0)
Well, it's a part of learning process and I might redo it later.

Good thing is my cheap camera's photos are not clear.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/58/5197-051217100529.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=58924)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/58/5197-051217100617.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=58925)

By the way, my vehicles from Shapeways are hollow. So you can cut glass windows and use Crystal clear to make it better. Then you need to worry about interior though.

Question:Does Bestine need a have strong odor like normal paint thinner?

Dats

Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: dats475 on December 05, 2017, 10:18:38 PM
Hello

"Make my layout looks like in early 80's" project continue.
Another addition to my vehicles collection.
I bought this on eBay.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/58/5197-051217220715.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=58938)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/58/5197-051217221542.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=58940)

All purchased vehicles are arrived now.
I need to do good paint jobs on a Front loader and this truck.
Please wish me luck.

Dats




Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: Webbo on December 05, 2017, 10:55:03 PM
Dats

I wish you luck on painting your pickup truck and the front end loader. I'll be needing luck when I get round to painting mine. Pencilling in the windows of your cars looks pretty good to me.

That Shapeways site you used has more cars and pickup trucks than you'd ever need. And I note that some of them come with interiors. They seem to be just as expensive as the made-up Classic Metal Works and Atlas cars, but they do seem to have very fine detail. It's also nice to see that you can buy other makes of cars than Fords. I like Fords, but there are many other makes of cars on real roads.  Thanks for putting me on to them - I'm going to try them out.

Webbo

Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: dats475 on December 05, 2017, 11:17:37 PM
Hi Webbo

I agree that they are expensive. I ordered them on the Black Friday sale and was free shipping. If I want to order some more vehicles, I have to wait until some discount sale day.
They should have an option for one car only (without interior) for cheaper price.
My layout is too small for having some cars. (I can't place them spread out)
I find not so many 70's cars available on the market. I see only some 70's sports cars and some mini metals cars.
Please keep me updated for your vehicle paint project.
I need any tips or advice at this point.

Dats

Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: Webbo on December 06, 2017, 02:51:45 AM
Hi Dats

Here are the painting instructions on the back of my Willmodels car kits. It suggests using fine tip pens for the small details which seems like a good idea. I'll be trying this.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/58/4229-061217024916.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=58941)

Webbo

Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: dats475 on December 10, 2017, 07:27:30 PM
Hi Webbo

Thank you for the instruction sheet, Webbo.
I had a same one but I totally forgot about it. I just found it inside of my hobby drawer today.

I painted a Front loader.
I also added a short ladder, exhaust pipe and a pipe thing with a cap.(I don't know what it is but I saw it on a picture.)
It need a touch up job.
But for now it's in service at DCCS facility. Now they can load Poogrow biosolids to a gondola car.
While I'm painting the Front loader's cab area, my black micro pen quite working. I think it clogged its point.
Anyway, one more addition to the Closet Branch vehicle fleet.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/59/5197-101217191606.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=59118)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/59/5197-101217191638.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=59119)

Next up, 1973 Chevy truck resin kit.

Dats
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: Webbo on December 10, 2017, 07:47:37 PM
Dats

That loader of yours looks mighty fine.

Webbo
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: texhorse on December 10, 2017, 08:02:35 PM
That is a good paint job Dats.....but keeping in mind what type of industry it's being used in, would it really be that clean?  Just saying.

 :D

Andy
UK
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: dats475 on December 10, 2017, 08:37:32 PM
Hi Webbo and Andy

Ha ha ha! Yes, I need to weather a bit more.
Let me think about how to make slimy, ooze weathering!

Dats
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: Rich_S on December 10, 2017, 11:40:17 PM
Hi Dats, The front end loader looks nice. What I use for weathering, get an old 1 oz. paint bottle, clean it out then fill it 3/4 full with Isopropyl Alcohol. Using a paint brush, dip the brush into a bottle of black acrylic paint, then dip the paint brush into the bottle filled with the Isopropyl Alcohol, do this 4 or 5 times. This will create a black wash. You want the wash coat to tint the model, not paint it. Next thing to do is practice on a model that is OK to make mistakes on, something if you mess up you'll be able to repaint. You'll want to add a wash then let the model dry, if it's still to light add another wash. Don't add more than one wash coat at a time. After you've practiced on your test model, then add the wash weathering to your front end loader. Once the wash is dry, you'll want to follow up with dry brushing on a light gray color and a light brown color to add dirt and grime.

 
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: texhorse on December 11, 2017, 07:18:22 AM
I echo that.  Many thin washes of dirt is far better than one thick creamy coating of dirt which is impossible to correct!

You should see some of my earliest weathering effects on my old WW2 tank models.....!

Andy
UK
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: dats475 on December 13, 2017, 12:27:12 AM
Hi guys

I had a hard time painting a stripe line on vehicles.
I want to paint something like this.
https://www.google.com/search?client=safari&hl=en-us&biw=768&bih=928&tbm=isch&sa=1&ei=o2owWpjjNtKcjwOsmbCADw&q=1973+chevy+truck&oq=1973+chevy&gs_l=mobile-gws-img.1.0.0l5.3928.14179.0.16894.30.19.0.0.0.0.2268.7882.2-1j1j1j2j8-2j1.8.0....0...1c.1.64.mobile-gws-img..22.8.7881...0i67k1.0.o1L1rB0sMf4#imgdii=npkBjs8D6ge7EM:&imgrc=WUjpZEUcr2xbXM: (https://www.google.com/search?client=safari&hl=en-us&biw=768&bih=928&tbm=isch&sa=1&ei=o2owWpjjNtKcjwOsmbCADw&q=1973+chevy+truck&oq=1973+chevy&gs_l=mobile-gws-img.1.0.0l5.3928.14179.0.16894.30.19.0.0.0.0.2268.7882.2-1j1j1j2j8-2j1.8.0....0...1c.1.64.mobile-gws-img..22.8.7881...0i67k1.0.o1L1rB0sMf4#imgdii=npkBjs8D6ge7EM:&imgrc=WUjpZEUcr2xbXM:)
(The link may not work. Sorry. If you see a lot of truck, I meant the truck has a light coloured stripe.)
I couldn't use a masking tape effectively.
And my hand painting was terrible too.
But today I got an idea.
What happens when you paint with acrylic paint on printable decal instead of printing it?
So painted a printable decal.
First attempt was miserable failure.
On second attempt, I used a Sharpe magic marker but water destroyed everything.
The third attempt, I painted with acrylic paint again and coat with liquid decal film.
Well, It preserved the colour.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/59/5197-131217001330.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=59227)
(A black line on body is the painted decal)

The idea is paint it with lighter colour and use it as a stripe line on tiny vehicles.
I'll report back to you when I try with a truck.

Dats
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: texhorse on December 13, 2017, 07:00:12 AM
That looks great Dats!

Andy
UK
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: Rich_S on December 14, 2017, 12:56:26 AM
Yes I agree with Andy, I think the front end loader looks good.  :thumbsup:

Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: dats475 on December 24, 2017, 12:46:19 AM
Hello!!

I didn't know that Santa Claus is really exist in this world.
And he is a master model railroad builder.
His name is Andy, AKA texhorse.
He gave me a surprise Christmas gift!!
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/59/5197-241217002655.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=59654)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/59/5197-241217002751.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=59655)
Micro-trains!!
A covered hopper and a McCloud River boxcar.
Both cars are perfect for my layout!
I rediscovered the quality of Micro-trains cars.
No wonder a lot of people collect them.
I'm having fun with the boxcar doors.
They are already rolling around on my layout.
Thank you very much, Andy!!

Also I finished two more vehicles.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/59/5197-241217003445.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=59656)

I'll be busy next couple of days executing my Christmas plan which is "eating anything edibles all-day".
So before I forget, Merry Christmas to everyone!

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/59/5197-241217005439.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=59657)

Dats
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: Webbo on December 24, 2017, 03:06:18 AM
Hi Dats

Nice cars both railroad and road. I've just started painting a whole lot of cars so I can fully appreciate how nicely yours have turned out.

It's now Christmas Eve here in Oz. I too wish everyone on the forum a Merry Xmas and that Santa is good to you all.

Webbo
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: Rich_S on December 24, 2017, 12:38:53 PM
Hello!!

I didn't know that Santa Claus is really exist in this world.
And he is a master model railroad builder.
His name is Andy, AKA texhorse.
He gave me a surprise Christmas gift!!
([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/59/5197-241217002655.jpeg[/url]) ([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=59654[/url])
([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/59/5197-241217002751.jpeg[/url]) ([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=59655[/url])
Micro-trains!!

Thank you very much, Andy!!

So before I forget, Merry Christmas to everyone!

([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/59/5197-241217005439.jpeg[/url]) ([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=59657[/url])

Dats


Hi Dats, Three cheers for Andy, those are very nice Christmas presents, good show Andy. Dats, the Pickup and Van look great, well done.

Dats, I 'd like to wish you, your family, the entire crew of the Closet Branch and all the members here at the N Gauge Forum a Very Merry Christmas and a Safe and Happy New Year.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/59/6318-241217123834.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=59673)


Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: texhorse on December 24, 2017, 04:26:55 PM
Merry Christmas Dats, Rich and Webbo!

The cars really fit in well on the layout Dats!  I did a good job!

Your automobiles are also excellent on your layout Dats.  I don't know about master railroader though!

I've done some operating on the layout today, and I've broken off to build a Shell gas station for the new layout.

Andy
UK
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: dats475 on January 01, 2018, 12:00:02 AM
A happy new year to all NGF members and their families!!
Have a great modelling 2018!
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/60/5197-311217235245.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=60029)

Dats
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: Rich_S on January 01, 2018, 12:25:24 AM
A happy new year to all NGF members and their families!!
Have a great modelling 2018!
([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/60/5197-311217235245.jpeg[/url]) ([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=60029[/url])

Dats


Hi Dats, That is a very nice photo.  Wishing you and your family a Safe and Happy New Year.

Happy Modeling in 2018.

 
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: Webbo on January 01, 2018, 01:30:59 AM
Dats, I'll second what Rich has to say and I love the billboard at the top of the photos - speaks to me directly.

Talk to you all in 2018.
Webbo
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: texhorse on January 01, 2018, 09:44:46 AM
Happy New Year Dats, Rich and Webbo!

Andy (also having a Happy New Year.  Well so far anyway....)
UK
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: dats475 on January 08, 2018, 02:38:31 PM
Hello

My last year's resolution was "Scale size". I tried to make stuff in scale size.
This year's resolutions are "Make things subtle" and "Refine operations methods".
I want to learn how to model stuff in less obvious way. (like Weathering or scene composition etc..)
And I want to find a method of laziest and simplest way to run trains on my layout.
What is your resolution for this year?

Meanwhile, I'm tackling a project "lighting up the street for less crime".
I don't have any provision of lighting the layout from the beginning so I'm trying to find the way to minimise the installation damage.

After quick 2 minutes observation, I realized that street lamps are mostly on the sidewalk facing the road.
Well, that is not a good news.
My sidewalk is already too narrow. And by installing street lamps make it more narrow.
I tried to find the other place for those lamps but I end up installing then on the sidewalk anyway.

Next challenge was to find a tool to drill a small hole from the sidewalk through 2 inches thick insulation foam and its benchwork.
My pin vise are too short. Screw drivers are too thick.
A thicker wire is too soft.
Then my brother-in-law gave me some bamboo skewers. (The one use for BBQ. Yummy)
The skewers are still too thick for the application so I sanded it down.
Now I have a thin but strong enough tool.

Now time to make holes.
Since my benchwork is Foamcore boards, I don't have any issue there. Only the sidewalk is plastic.
I made an initial smaller hole with pin vise and a little bigger one next.
And finally the time for my fancy bamboo machine.
I have to tell you, it went down like running away from my angry wife!
Then it stopped. Around 2 inches. No sign of the bamboo machine underneath of the benchwork.
I was poking around for at least 30 minutes for one hole!
Then I realized that I put a hardboard to support the wash area!!
Now I had to remove all structures and loose objects on the layout and remove it from the benchwork and modify the hardboard support.
Well, I'm getting tired of typing this so in a nutshell, I installed only 2 street lights so far and 3 more to go. Then I'll worry about wiring.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/60/5197-080118142920.jpeg)

Unplanned, improvise modelling continue..
Dats
 (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=60327)
:camera:
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: texhorse on January 08, 2018, 04:56:06 PM
The street lamps look great Dats!  I have some similar ones on the MHRR!

Andy
UK
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: Rich_S on January 08, 2018, 11:34:08 PM
Hi Dats, I think the street lamps look very nice.  :thumbsup: Are they scratch built or store bought? If store bought what company makes them?

Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: dats475 on January 08, 2018, 11:53:16 PM
How are you doing, Rich?
Anything new on the Long Valley Industrial railroad?

About the street lights, my brother in law bought through eBay. And he gave me 5 of them. They are really cheap....I thank.
https://m.ebay.com/itm/10X-N-Scale-Model-Trains-Metal-Light-Poles-Wired-LED-Lighted-Street-Lamps-1-150/391437093487?epid=1866321937&hash=item5b23780a6f:g:hPwAAOSw3mpXFieZ

I'm posting this from my cellphone. Hopefully the link works.

Please keep me updated on the Long Valley, Rich!!

Dats


Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: Webbo on January 09, 2018, 04:16:23 AM
Hi Dats

I think I can see your problem with the lights. Solving these problems is what makes modelling fun doesn't it?

I was thinking that a solution might be to drill a large hole in your baseboard from underneath using a hole saw of 1"-2" diameter say. At least then it would be easy to poke your skewers through.

I've seen lamp poles similar to yours on EBay and wondered what they were like. Yours look pretty good and they are quite cheap so I'll need to give them a go as well.

Webbo
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: Rich_S on January 09, 2018, 10:03:53 PM
How are you doing, Rich?
Anything new on the Long Valley Industrial railroad?

Dats

Hi Dats, Thank you for the info on the lights, I may have to add some to Long Valley. The Long Valley Industrial Railroad has been selected to help break in a very special locomotive. The full public announcement with photos will follow later this week.

 
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: dats475 on January 11, 2018, 10:53:18 AM
Hi Webbo

Thank you for the idea.
I'm contemplating with spacing of the lamps now.
In other words I'm not doing anything!
I like the generic looking of the lamps.
It doesn't disturb scenery much. (less obvious.)
And it made out of metal tubing.. I think.
I tested if it works and was fine. Let's see if it still works after my wiring work!

Hi Rich!

That sounds exciting!!
A very special engine?
I can't even guess what it is.
I'm definitely looking forward to seeing that!!!

I'll be back when I poke three more holes on my extension.
The Bamboo skewer tool is working well. Amazing!


:'(  me   :veryangry: my wife

Dats

Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: Rich_S on January 11, 2018, 12:58:02 PM

:'(  me   :veryangry: my wife

Dats

Dats, Oh no, what did you do to your wife to make her so mad. Maybe you need to spend some more time in your Closet to let her cool down  :laugh:
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: dannyboy on January 11, 2018, 09:58:41 PM

:'(  me   :veryangry: my wife

Dats

Dats, Oh no, what did you do to your wife to make her so mad. Maybe you need to spend some more time in your Closet to let her cool down  :laugh:

He put three more holes in his extension!  :o

I have to say Dats, the layout is coming along nicely.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: dats475 on January 12, 2018, 11:01:56 PM
Hello

:'(     :veryangry: 
This was my dramatization of "when I forgot our anniversary".
Have I ever forgotten our wedding anniversaries?............yes.

Ok, I made three more holes.
And street lights are up.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/60/5197-120118225236.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=60507)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/60/5197-120118225436.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=60508)

The poking machine at work!!
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/60/5197-120118231000.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=60510)


Now wiring.
I need a lot of help on this. My electronics knowledge is extremely limited.
Let me tell you what I know about electronics so far.
Thunder lightning is some kind of electric......the end.

Do you think that I can still light those LED up?

I'd like to connect those LED in the most simplest way possible.
And I'd like use AAA batteries.
Also I'd like to connect them is "series" wiring.
But before that, this is "series wiring" right?
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/60/5197-120118223310.png) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=60503)

My brother in law said the lights are 3v maximum and 3v is too bright.(I'd like to light them up dimly. I think that's more realistic.)
And AAA said 1.5v.
If I connect them in series, do they light up with one AAA battery?
It came with resistors too.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/60/5197-120118224145.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=60504)
Can I connect this resistor on "+" before LED's?
 :help:

Dats

Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: themadhippy on January 12, 2018, 11:20:38 PM
if you go series you'll need the number of leds x 3   volts to get them to work at full tilt,if you go parallel you'll only need  3 volts to get  them at full .personally id go for parallel,use 2 AAA batteries and try that 620 ohm resistor to see how they look,if there still to bright id add another resistor in series ,if to dim  2 try resistors in parallel
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: Webbo on January 12, 2018, 11:55:41 PM
Hi Dats

You've got to be a bit careful in wiring up LEDs to make sure you don't blow
them up. Here is a wiring diagram that I think should work:

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/60/4229-120118234047.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=60511)

Power is supplied by 3 batteries wired in series i.e. + terminal to - terminal in a row. I suspect you'll need 3 batteries as LEDs typically need a starting voltage of around 3V depending on their colour. Three batteries will give you something like 4.5V which should be plenty. Your resistor which is essential needs to be wired in series as shown. No current limiting resistor resistor means high current through the LEDs = shine briefly for a fraction of a second followed by a puff of smoke. The LEDs are all wired in parallel as shown with the LED anode (red wire probably) connected to the + end of the battery. If  the LEDs are wired the other way round they won't work, but nothing horroble should happen.

If the lights turn out to be too bright, then you can add more resistors in series. If too dim, then you could reduce the resistance, but I wouldn't go below 200 ohms to start with.

If you have a 12V power supply on your power pack, you could use that to power your lights.

Am looking forward to some night time shots in the Closet with the lamps working.

Webbo
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: dats475 on January 13, 2018, 11:16:25 PM
Hi themadhippy and Webbo

You guys are geniuses!!
Thank you very much for your help!
Both recommend parallel wiring so parallel it is!!
One unimportant question: why do you need to connect a resistor on negative? You know, after the electric already went through those LEDs?

I'm planning to scavenge a battery box from my daughter's old junk toy which she doesn't even remember that she had one.
Let me dive into her junk toy pile now.
I'll get back to you after my scavenge hunt.  :dunce:

Dats

Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: Webbo on January 13, 2018, 11:28:27 PM
Hi Dats

The resistor could go on the other (left) side of the circuit just as easily (i.e. connected to the positive end of the battery). But, you most certainly need the resistor on one side of the circuit or the other unless you would like to buy some replacement lamps right away.

Webbo
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: dats475 on January 14, 2018, 01:02:33 AM
Thank you once again for your help, Webbo!!

You mentioned replacement.
Eh.... That would be...eh..impossible.
When I was using my poking machine, I enjoyed it so much that I made those holes a little bit too wide.
So, the lamps were wobbling and I super glued them on the sidewalk..... :-[
What was I thinking?
I was thinking about only the poking actions. Not for unforeseen future events.  :-[
Well, dumb happens.(quite often.) At least I was enjoying the super poking action though.

As you know I don't know anything about electronics so I decided to wire exactly as the drawing. (Thank you again, Webbo and themadhippy.)
I should've paid attention on science classes 40 years ago.
(My favorite topics were lunch time and recess.)

I haven't found a battery box yet and even if I find one, how do I know it's wired in series or parallel?  :hmmm:

By the way Webbo, can I get away with only two AA or AAA batteries?

The Closet Branch-Dumb happens enjoyably™
Dats







Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: Rich_S on January 14, 2018, 01:16:17 AM

can I get away with only two AA or AAA batteries?

Dats

Hi Dats, since AA or AAA batteries are both rated at 1.5 volts, placing two in series will give you 3.0 volts. If you place those two batteries in parallel you'll only have 1.5 volts but you'll double the current output from the batteries, which could over load the LED, so be sure to place them in series. I believe you said the LED lights work are rated for 3.0 volts? So two batteries should light the lights. I believe Webbo mentioned if you use 3 batteries, you'll need the resistor to limit the voltage to 3.0 volts so you don't let the magic smoke out of the LED's  :laugh: But by using 3 batteries you're giving yourself a little extra as a reserve.

As for the poking action, yes I did get a good chuckle from your explanation of events  :smiley-laughing:

 

Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: Webbo on January 14, 2018, 02:48:11 AM
Hi Dats

LEDs weren't even invented when I was in school so paying attention wouldn't have helped. LEDs are a bit different from devices such as resistors. They need a minimum voltage (the forward voltage Vf) to pass current in the forward direction and being diodes won't pass current in the other direction. According to Mr. Google "Standard red, orange, yellow and yellow-green LEDs have a Vf of about 1.8 V, while pure-green, blue, white, and UV LEDs have a Vf of about 3.3 V". In other words, if your lamps are red then 2 AAAs providing 3V will be enough to power them, but if they are white, you will need 3 AAAs (4.5V). The resistor is there to stop too much current passing through the LED.

You could always try the experimental approach on one of your lamps to see if 3V is enough, but make sure you have that resistor in the circuit.

The battery box could be wired in parallel or in series. If the batteries go in so the + on one is next to the - on its neighbour, then I would guess that you are looking at a battery box wired in series. If you have a voltmeter you can stick batteries into it and look at the voltage of the output.

I would think that supergluing the oversize holes is lots of fun as well so you are a double winner (the delights of poking and gluing).

Webbo
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: paulbeckwith on January 14, 2018, 08:45:28 AM

 hi  dats    2 aa  battery  boxes  on e**y ( uk )    180814661762  only  £1.49  free  p&p

   paul       3 aa types also available   
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: Rich_S on January 14, 2018, 10:28:29 PM

The battery box could be wired in parallel or in series.

Webbo

Hi Webbo, That is not true. AA or AAA batteries have a 50mA current rating. If you wire the battery box in parallel, you'll end up with 1.5 VDC and 150mA of current, not enough voltage to light the LED and possibly too much current for the LED to handle? I'd suggest as you originally suggested, wiring the three batteries in series yielding 4.5 VDC and 50mA of current and using the resister to limit the voltage to 3.0 VDC.

This has been a very informative thread guys. Dats please let us know what works best?

 
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: Webbo on January 15, 2018, 12:02:15 AM
Hi Rich

I think we have slight misunderstanding of my language you quote. When I say that the battery box could be wired in series or parallel, I didn't mean that both ways would work for Dats. We both agree that a battery box with the cells wired in parallel would not work, but a battery box with at least 3 cells wired in series would.

The current through the LEDs will be determined mainly by the driving voltage, the forward voltage of the LED, and the resistance (external resistor + internal resistance of the battery). There will be a voltage drop across the LED equal to Vf. If Vf = 3.3V , as we might expect for a white LED, then the voltage available to drive current through the resistor and the internal resistance of the battery is 4.5 - 3.3 = 1.2V. The internal resistance of alkaline cells of 1.5V is typically less than 1 ohm. So, if there is no extra resistor and assuming the internal resistance is an ohm, the 1.2V available would be capable of driving a 1A current through the battery. Since it is supplying current to 5 LEDs in parallel the current through each one would be 1/5 as large i.e. 200mA. I have an electronics catalogue that shows the specs on some LEDs. For 3mm LEDs the maximum rated current is 20-30 mA in other words about 10 times less than what we would expect if there was no extra resistor. The smaller LEDs in Dats's lamps would almost certainly have even smaller maximum currents and blow without the extra resistor.

If Dats uses his 620 ohm resistor on a circuit with 3 batteries in series and 5 LEDs in parallel, then I calculate the current through each LED to be = (4.5 - 3.3) / 620 / 5 = 0.4 mA assuming the internal resistance of the batteries is much smaller than 620 ohms. Using a 100 ohm current limiting resistor instead would result in a calculated current of (4.5 - 3.3) /100/5 = 1.2 mA. Or, using a 12 V supply and the 620 ohm resistor we would have a current of (12 - 3.3) / 620 /5 = 3 mA.

Probably as clear as mud.
Webbo
 
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: Rich_S on January 15, 2018, 12:42:59 AM
Hi Rich

I think we have slight misunderstanding of my language you quote. When I say that the battery box could be wired in series or parallel, I didn't mean that both ways would work for Dats. We both agree that a battery box with the cells wired in parallel would not work, but a battery box with at least 3 cells wired in series would.
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Probably as clear as mud.
Webbo
 

Hi Webbo, Yes I definitely misunderstood your statement that I quoted, sorry :doh:  Being a locomotive electrician your explanation is perfectly clear.  :)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/60/6318-150118004621.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=60624)
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: dats475 on January 15, 2018, 04:02:53 AM
Hi Paul

Thank you very much for the eBay information.
I ordered a $0.99 battery box with switch today.

Rich and Webbo, thank you very much for your detailed explanation.
My brain is  :scowl: now.
What is vf? What is the "f" stand for? It's not the bad word, is it?

Despite of my  :confused2: condition, I finished my lamp installation.
I couldn't do it without you guys guidance, so once again, thank you all very much for your help!!
I'll report it back soon in detail.

Dats

Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: Bealman on January 15, 2018, 04:18:26 AM
Forward Voltage.
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: Webbo on January 15, 2018, 04:19:20 AM
Hi Dats

No not the bad word, unless you blow one of your LEDs up in which there might be many words starting with f flying around. As George says, Vf stands for the forward voltage of the LED. It is the minimum voltage required to run the LED and is also the voltage drop across the LED when it's in the circuit.

So white light LEDs with a Vf of 3.3V require a minimum of 3.3V to light them up i.e. at least 3 AAA, AA, C, or D cells wired in series.

Webbo
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: dats475 on January 15, 2018, 08:52:06 PM
Hi Bealman and Webbo

Thank you for the answer. I never guessed Forward Voltage. I'm sorry for my ignorance but why they write "vf" instead of "fv"?


Ladies and gentlemen and model railroaders!
The Closet Branch almost proudly presents working street lamps!!

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/60/5197-150118201527.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=60639)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/60/5197-150118201631.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=60640)

It's amazing that I could actually made them work!
Thank you again for all of your help!

Now embarrassing part.
I was thinking about how to make parallel wiring simple but realized that I couldn't even peel apparently a coat of insulation paint on ultra thin wires.
So decided to use some kind of bus wires.
I saw a video of someone using a track as bus wires but I needed thinner material than rails.
So I used a thin cutter that comes with aluminum foil.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/60/5197-150118203032.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=60641)

I forgot to add a resistor so I redone it.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/60/5197-150118203225.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=60642)

I wanted make wiring really simple but it became Mr. Frankenstein.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/60/5197-150118203527.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=60643)

I made this mess for only five lamps!!
If I really want to the night scene complete, I need at least 20 more lights!!
Maybe fiber optic wires with one lamp is the answer. I'd like to explore the possibility in the future.

I'm temporarily using a battery harness from a flash light which I'll replace with an eBay purchased battery box.

Once again thank you for all information and advices!!

Dats

Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: Bealman on January 15, 2018, 09:19:34 PM
Looks very effective!
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: dannyboy on January 15, 2018, 09:33:51 PM
Those street scenes look quite realistic dats  :thumbsup:. As regards your 'Frankenstein' set up, I once used a strip of the aluminium foil that comes free with the cutter (!) as a temporary 'bus wire' - quite effective until you move it  :doh:.
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: Webbo on January 15, 2018, 10:23:51 PM
The lighting looks very effective, Dats. And about the right brightness for you? They look about right to me though the camera can play tricks. Changing the brightness if you want to is as easy as increasing or decreasing the size of your current limiting resistor.

As for your Frankenstein set-up - why not if it works and no one will know except the entire NGF. Sewers beneath the streets aren't very pretty either.

I see your Duster in your street photos. I have just finished painting my '71 Duster and it happens to be light green as well. Cars will likely be the subject of my next post on Deadwood.

Webbo
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: texhorse on January 15, 2018, 10:33:54 PM
Dats, nobody looks underneath their own layouts as long as wiring is working, and you shouldn't need to either!  Don't worry about the tape.  It's easily removeable if you need to alter things, and if the lights work, where's the harm? 

You've seen what the bottom of the Montrose and Highland looks like; and now the bottom of Cascade!  That's what curtains and fascias, and in my case State Flags, are for!

Andy
UK
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: Rich_S on January 15, 2018, 11:34:10 PM

I wanted make wiring really simple but it became Mr. Frankenstein.
([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/60/5197-150118203527.jpeg[/url]) ([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=60643[/url])


Dats


Hi Dats,
     I hope your wife was finished with that roll of aluminum foil, or else it's going to be this again...

  :o   :veryangry: 


I think that is actually a very ingenious idea as long as you can solder new wires to the bus bar without unsoldering the wires that are currently connected to the bus.

If you ever decide you would like to redo your bus bar, may I suggest 14 AWG solid copper wire. 

https://www.amazon.com/Copper-Bright-0-064-Diameter-Length/dp/B000IJYRDE (https://www.amazon.com/Copper-Bright-0-064-Diameter-Length/dp/B000IJYRDE)   

Copper is one of the best conductors and takes solder very well, plus that roll will last you for the rest of your life.



Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: dats475 on January 21, 2018, 02:53:40 PM
Hi Bealman
Thank you for your comment.
I enjoyed the process of writing except when I had to lay down like a fat see lion for soldering.
By the way, how's the temperature in Australia?

Hi Dannyboy
My first idea was exactly that. A strip of thin foil. But somehow I decided to use the cutter part. Maybe I was thinking that rigid material would be easier to handle. But truth is probably I forgot my own idea. I remembered it was something to do with thin foil box though.

Hi Webbo
I'm not sure the light itself is too bright or not.
If I have more lights on structures or anywhere else, I got a feeling that probably those street lights are too bright.
For now, only things light up are those street lamps so I really can't tell.
In any case, I have four more resisters. (Same value(?) one)
Do you think I can connect one of them somewhere near battery box?

Hi Andy
Yes, good thing that nobody would see the bottom of my layout. Same reason as nobody would see my underwear!  :doh:
I'd like to learn how to wire a little bit more neat though.

Hi Rich
Thank you for the idea.
I was thinking of using adhesive copper tape first but when I open my wallet, a fly came out and nothing else!!  :-[

Dats



Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: dats475 on January 21, 2018, 03:04:50 PM
The Closet County Times
January 21, 1982

The city official announced yesterday the expansion of "The lighting up the town for less crime" program.
After successful installation of five street lights, apparently the city officials became over-confident and purchased ten meters of a plastic optics cable from China for $0.99.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/60/5197-210118145846.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=60810)
(evidential photography)

The purchase was made through an international dealer "eBay".
Local residents are raising a concern for a failure along with their local tax spending.
The city officials responded by stating "The money is coming from our city's richest and the most handsome person, Dats as a donation".
Still some residents voiced their concern that "Last year was Poogrow and now this! What's going on! And how are they going to light this thing up?!!"
The city officials firmly replied  "We have no idea".
We shall see how this program would develop in the future.
- associate writer, George Mcfly
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: Webbo on January 21, 2018, 11:12:52 PM
Very good Dats.

Like the citizens of Closet County, I too will be interested in seeing the new lighting system is installed and whether my taxes are being spent wisely.

Webbo
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: dats475 on January 22, 2018, 06:33:57 PM
Hi Webbo
Thank you for your comment.
I'm pretty sure that I need your help again when I receive a cable.

Well, time being I'm forced to be a prototype modeller.
As you know Espee was in quite bad shape in 80's....financially.
So as my hobby budget.
Rivet counters should proud of me since I'm modelling even the railroad's financial status!
But instead of crying in the bathroom, I decided to experiment a little bit of modelling.
I always liked adding debris on my layout.
I'm not quite understand why I want to see dirty abandoned stuff. I should model a flower garden or something more beautiful to see.
Anyway, today I made a couple of pallets.
I made them from a cardboard and a brown paper using school glue.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/60/5197-220118181010.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=60886)
Google search said that US standard commercial pallet size is 48" x40".
First, I made them with that size but it was way too big for my forklift.
So decided to cut it in half.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/60/5197-220118181554.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=60887)

It took me way too long for just two pallets.
I need to streamline the process if I want to do it again.
It seems like my layout can use a hundred of them though....
This is the final result.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/60/5197-220118182052.jpeg)

I saw N size shopping cart kit on eBay.
I want to try those someday.
Put them as discarded debris. As often I see a shopping carts in some obscure places and I got to think "How did it get there?".

Dats
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: texhorse on January 22, 2018, 10:28:18 PM
They look great Dats!

Trying to think of cheap ways to make scrap stuff.  How about folded up tarpaulins made out of painted tissue paper?  Old ties lying around after some track maintenance from scrap track?

I'll let you know if I think of some more....

Andy
UK
 :hmmm:
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: Webbo on January 22, 2018, 10:32:36 PM

Hi Webbo
I'm not sure the light itself is too bright or not.
If I have more lights on structures or anywhere else, I got a feeling that probably those street lights are too bright.
For now, only things light up are those street lamps so I really can't tell.
In any case, I have four more resisters. (Same value(?) one)
Do you think I can connect one of them somewhere near battery box?


Sorry Dats, I didn't answer your question. The resistance is denoted by the coloured bands on the side of the resistor. If they are the same for all of your resistors, then the resistances will all be the same.

You can lower the current through the circuit by adding more resistors in series. And, they can go anywhere including near the battery box. If you want to increase the current through the circuit you can wire another resistor in parallel with the resistor that's there. Assuming the extra resistors are all the same as the one you have, then adding a resistor in series with the circuit will halve the current and adding a resistor in parallel with the present resistor will double the current.

I too like garbage and the look of yours.

Webbo
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: Webbo on January 23, 2018, 07:17:13 AM
Hi Dats

Your rubbish really does light up your scene. I thought that the discarded cardboard boxes outside your toilet dispatching depot that you showed in a post a while ago were brilliant. Andy has suggested a few good ideas for rubbish, but let me suggest another one. It seems to me that in industrial areas there is usually bits and pieces of scrap paper, drink cups, etc. lying around on the ground and especially under bushes where they are blown by the wind or tossed. Thought number 2 is where to put your discarded shopping trollies. Here they tend to wind up in our creeks and open drains. Does this happen in L.A.?

Webbo
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: dats475 on January 23, 2018, 08:42:50 PM
Andy and Webbo thank you for your ideas.
So junk items are tarpaulins, ties(sleepers), discarded rails, papers, cups, drink bottles and shopping carts.

Today I tried making discarded news papers.
Hopefully you can tell what it is.
I was imagining size of major news papers such as the New York times.
Next time I should take actual measurements of the papers. 
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/60/5197-230118203843.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=60946)
I thought news papers are kind of big so I made them this size. You can compare with a N people.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/60/5197-230118214306.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=60966)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/60/5197-230118214433.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=60967)

Webbo, thank you for the writing explanation. I can confidently say "I definitely understood......64%".
I'll ask you again when I receive a battery box. It'll come from China as well.
So I probably get it in September. :headbutt:

Woo, I can change colors
Dats
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: texhorse on January 23, 2018, 09:48:06 PM
Dats, is it my imagination, or does that man have half a shirt on?  Does he have a skin condition on his forehead as well?

 :D

Andy
UK
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: dats475 on January 23, 2018, 10:06:00 PM
Hi Andy

That's not your imagination.  :laughabovepost:
The Closet county has quite characteristically interesting people.
:slap:   :envy:       :laugh2:  :headbang:


By the way, news papers look oversized on the pictures.
That means the pallets are too small.
And I compared the pallets with a forklift.
That means the forklift is too small.  :smackedface:

Dats
P.S. I added two more pictures on my previous post.


 
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: AlexanderJesse on January 23, 2018, 11:31:33 PM
 try coloring the papers in pink. The italian sportspaper "Gazzetta dello sport" is huge...

Cute idea to place somd rubbish. Mskes the scenery more lifelike
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: Rich_S on January 23, 2018, 11:56:46 PM

I was imagining size of major news papers such as the New York times.


Hi Dats, I can't comment on the size of the New York Times paper, but my local newspaper "The Times" is 11" wide by 22" long. When the paper is fully opened it is 22" by 22". I'd imagine most news papers are roughly the same size?

Your added detail on the layout looks great. I really like the pallets, plus a FYI, at work we do have two different size pallets. They are all the same width, but some are longer to allow for larger parts to be shipped on the pallet.
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: dats475 on January 24, 2018, 11:33:33 PM
Hi AlexanderJesse

Thank you for the information.
I definitely make pink newspapers next time.(I'm sure that I need more newspaper junk.)
If you have more information or ideas please share with me.
I would appreciate it very much.


Hi Rich

Thank you for the measurements.
I searched  the New York Times paper size on internet and the it's a pretty much same size.
N size newspapers are 3.5mm tall and a little less than 2mm wide.
I just realized that I should use the size of the LA times instead of NY times.  :smackedface:
Anyway, I revised the size of left over newspaper junk from yesterday. I will not change paper junk already on layout.
Because I glued them already.  :stop:

I learned "stretching sprue" technique from Japanese modellers.
And I used it for my new junk today.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/60/5197-240118225131.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=60989)
I made thin plastic rods from a sprue.
Then, to this.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/60/5197-240118225437.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=60990)
It's not fire hydrants.
Do you know what they are?
(You suppose to say "Soda cans"!!)
Yes, they are soda cans.
I'm surprised that you could guess it right.
I can't even tell myself!!
Correct N size cans are 0.8mm tall 0.5mm in diameter. Yikes!!
I couldn't make 0.5mm diameter rod so here comes cheating  :claphappy:!!
My cans are 1.5mm and 1mm rod.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/60/5197-240118230318.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=60991)
Revised newspaper junk along with soda can junk.
If you zoom in, you can see one can is squashed.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/60/5197-240118230659.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=60992)
My camera can't focus this small.
So as my brain.
If I have this layout for another 5 years, probably my aging eyes see them as red dots.
Nevertheless, my junk life continues...

Dats
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: Rich_S on January 25, 2018, 01:08:24 PM

I learned "stretching sprue" technique from Japanese modellers.
And I used it for my new junk today.
([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/60/5197-240118225131.jpeg[/url]) ([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=60989[/url])
I made thin plastic rods from a sprue.
Then, to this.
([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/60/5197-240118225437.jpeg[/url]) ([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=60990[/url])

Dats


Hi Dats What are you heating the plastic sprue with, before stretching it?  Does the plastic sprue always stretch into a nicely sized rod or does it take multiple tries to get one evenly sized piece?

If I have this layout for another 5 years, probably my aging eyes see them as red dots.


I think I'm already at that point. When I was a kid I didn't need glasses because I had 20/20 vision. Now I can't see anything without my glasses  :smiley-laughing:

The soda cans, newspapers and pallets all look great Dats, you're doing some fine modeling, keep up the great work.
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: dats475 on January 25, 2018, 10:12:50 PM
Hi Rich

Are locomotives behaving good at work?

I'm using a candle to make a thin rod from sprue.
(I think any a single flame would do.)
I warm middle of a sprue up until it gets soft but not burning. Then remove it from the candle and start stretching it right away. You can't pull it hard nor quickly, otherwise it'll snap in half.
(I would say "Stretch it with love".)
Then hold it for a few seconds. It'll be hardened pretty quickly.
You need to stretch only once. It'll come out evenly most of the time.
I was hoping to get uneven rod. Because I wanted make N size drink bottles out of it.
But turned out that it comes out even thickness especially middle of "stretched" part.
Whole thing takes a matter of seconds.
One thing you should keep in mind is that it will smell like burning plastic. Not so bad but still smells.
You shouldn't do it in the kitchen. Your wife will notice it.
I'm not good at explaining things but hopefully you can figure out what I meant.

Yes, stretch it with love.
Dats
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: Rich_S on January 25, 2018, 10:56:34 PM
Hi Rich

Are locomotives behaving good at work?



For the most part yes, but the 9-1-1 was in with radiator leaks last week, so it was out of service for about a week while repairs were made. Here is a picture of the 911 when it was brand new.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/61/6318-250118224242.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=61077)


Yes, stretch it with love.
Dats


That's what I tell my wife  :heart2:, Oh sorry wrong forum.

Your explanation was perfectly clear and sounds very easy.
It looks like this might be a neat way to make wire rope fences and wire rope guardrails for roads.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/61/6318-250118225408.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=61078)

Now to give it a try, what did my wife do with those votive candles?

 


Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: dats475 on January 26, 2018, 12:14:15 AM
Hi again Rich

Fence wires reminded me.
I used an individual wire from a wire for my fences.
Ok, that sound doesn't make any sense at all.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/61/5197-260118000201.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=61081)

Left one is an extra wire I had.
I stripped its insulation for a long length using a hobby knife (more like "dissect" red insulate tubing.)
The middle one is bare wires without red insulation.
Finally, right one is an individual wire from the middle wires.

The individual wire is good size for N to me. I think 0.5mm diameter or something like that.
As you can tell, lack of rigidity would be a problem. Quite hard to handle. Especially if you want to have a long perfectly straight section.
That's a bad part.
A good part is you can have a lot of very thin materials for cheap price.
I remembered that I used it for utility cables on my structures also.
Maybe you or someone find it useful......maybe.

I just wanted show off my dissecting skills. Good thing that I'm not a surgeon.

Dats

Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: maridunian on January 26, 2018, 12:16:07 PM

I'm using a candle to make a thin rod from sprue.


Hi Dats - thanks for reminding me of this technique I last used as a teenager in the 70s, building Airfix models - antenna, gun barrels and even biplane rigging!!

Mike
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: dats475 on January 26, 2018, 08:14:37 PM
How are you doing, Mike?!!

Thank you for your comment.
Like you said, apparently they've been used this technique for a long time.
I guess they didn't have any commercially available thin rods back then.
Now we have Evergreen styrene available, right?
Then why am I doing this now?
Well, "monkey see, monkey do", you know.
I saw this technique on YouTube.

Today, I made a new addition to my junk.
I don't think this is called "Modelling" anymore.
They're just dusts.

Introducing, Sigarette ends.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/61/5197-260118195328.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=61107)

They're huge!!
Compare with a soda can and track sleepers. They're almost same sze!!
I can't make them any smaller!! Even if I could, I can't see them on the layout!
Although I don't think that not many people passionately making huge N sigarette ends, I'm having fun making them.

Dats
P.S. I'm a non- smoker. Only smoke I like is smoked salmon.
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: maridunian on January 27, 2018, 06:47:46 PM
How are you doing, Mike?!!


Good, thanks - moved from Scotland to Wales in October and only just getting back to modelling!


Now we have Evergreen styrene available, right?


We have all sorts of products, but making's better for us than shopping!

Mike
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: dats475 on January 28, 2018, 09:02:02 PM
Hi Mike

How do you like the new place?
Hopefully you have a bigger space for your layout!
Were you able to transport your layout safety to new home, Mike?
Looking forward to seeing more of your modelling!!

OK, folks.
I added a short video to my channel.
I just wanted to show off a night scene.
You guys know that it has a Frankenstein wiring underneath.
But if they don't bring it up, you don't bring it up please.  :whisper: :telloff:
Hope you like it.

And good night.

Dats

Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: dannyboy on January 28, 2018, 09:07:45 PM
Another brilliant production Dats.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: Rich_S on January 28, 2018, 09:22:03 PM
Hi Dats, The street lights look great  :thumbsup: Don't look now, but Tucker Bell forgot to add a caboose to the branch local :hmmm: :uneasy:

Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: texhorse on January 29, 2018, 11:38:22 AM
The latest video is excellent Dats.  I particularly love the McCloud River box car full of timber on the end of the train!!!!

Andy
UK
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: dats475 on January 29, 2018, 10:33:55 PM
Thank you, David.
Anything new these days?
Thank you for watching!

Rich, you know what happened to a caboose?
.... :'( yes, I forgot to couple it!!  :'(
Actually I wasn't thinking of uploading the video. I was just testing how it looks like.  :'(

Yes, Andy. I too like the car very much.
The car came from Oregon area and it spent for awhile in Ohio and Indiana. Now in LA.  ;)
Thank you, Andy!!

Rubbish adventure continues.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/61/5197-290118221718.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=61320)
Tires from a Lego block added.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/61/5197-290118221852.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=61321)
Another tire.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/61/5197-290118221947.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=61322)
Ties(sleepers) took from a flex track. It was pain in the neck to sand them.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/61/5197-290118222153.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=61323)
Another ties.

And 39' length of rails. I heard that rails were transported on 40' cars in old days.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/61/5197-290118222948.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=61324)
Here you can see them in front of non-rail served Dynamite laxative laboratory Corp.

My layout is a branch line so supposedly still using old rails.
I'm experimenting with homemade joint plates now.

Dats



Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: maridunian on January 29, 2018, 11:22:22 PM
How do you like the new place?I

Great thanks - I'm home after ~40 years working away.

Hopefully you have a bigger space for your layout!

Yes, but there's still so much more to do within 4'x2'!!

Looking forward to seeing more of your modelling!!

Thank you - you said making ties was hard work -
try this! (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=40133.msg486951#msg486951) . Coffee's probably a good stain too.

I loved the night train video.

Mike
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: Rich_S on January 29, 2018, 11:23:33 PM
Hi Dats, The Junk, uh I mean scenery junk uh, uh, you know what I mean, looking good  :smiley-laughing:  You've captured the look of urban clutter very well.  :thumbsup:  Yes, that is one of the reasons rail was 39' long, so it could be transported on 40' flatcars and in 40' gondolas.

 

Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: Webbo on January 30, 2018, 07:26:56 AM
Dats

Your inclusion of urban garbage (or trash or rubbish or litter) is one of the things that makes the Closet Branch very special on this forum and on any forum I'd say. I really enjoy your posts as you bring humour (humor) and reality and modelling innovation and garbage to the N scale world big time.

Webbo
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: PostModN66 on January 30, 2018, 08:27:34 AM
Nice video Dats of a well-observed model.   :thankyousign:

Let's have more!

Cheers Jon  :)
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: dats475 on February 01, 2018, 07:41:21 PM
Hi Mike
Thank you for reply.
Quote
you said making ties was hard work -
try this! . Coffee's probably a good stain too.

Mike,  :thumbsup:  :admiration: Fantastic modelling!!
The result is outstanding!
Making a sleeper wall? I give up!  :whiteflag:  :laughabovepost:

Hi Rich
One good thing about making junk is you won't receive any negative comments.
Even if someone say "Your modelling are garbage!!", I can say " Thank you, I'm glad that you notice it".

Hi Webbo
Thank you for your encouragement!
Yes, my modelling purpose is bringing whole "N" community and the quality of N layouts to a different level.......
No, not higher but lower.  :claphappy:

Hi PostModN66
Thank you for stopping by.
Hopefully I can add a little more lights on the layout.

Well, nothing significant but I received a battery box today.
It arrived safely from China.
To celebrate this occasion, I decided to name the box "Viper5000".
It's wild, slick and powerful!! (In my mind.)
The Viper5000 will control whopping five street lamps by using its on and off switch.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/61/5197-010218193637.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=61456)

Question:
if decided to dim the lights, can I use another same size resister somewhere?
Can I solder a register right next to Viper5000?

My plastic optic cable is still somewhere out there. No sign of arrival.

Dats


Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: themadhippy on February 01, 2018, 08:04:51 PM
Quote
if decided to dim the lights, can I use another same size resister somewhere?
Can I solder a register right next to Viper5000?
yep.
if  you then find the lights too dim with another resistor try putting a third  resitor of the same size in parallel with the second resistor.
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: Webbo on February 01, 2018, 08:54:52 PM
Hi Dats

You can lower the current through the circuit by adding more resistors in series. And, they can go anywhere including near the battery box. Adding an extra resistor of the same resistance as the one already in the circuit will halve the current through the lights.

Viper5000 certainly looks sleek and powerful.

Webbo
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: Rich_S on February 01, 2018, 10:21:46 PM
Hi Dats

You can lower the current through the circuit by adding more resistors in series. And, they can go anywhere including near the battery box. Adding an extra resistor of the same resistance as the one already in the circuit will halve the current through the lights.

Viper5000 certainly looks sleek and powerful.

Webbo

Hi Webbo, If Dats adds more resistors to the circuit, won't he drop the voltage below the required forward voltage for the LED's? I was thinking we need 3.0 VDC to cause the LED's to light and with the current configuration of the circuit he was at the 3.0 VDC setting?
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: Webbo on February 01, 2018, 11:27:13 PM
Hi Rich

Dats will be OK, I believe. LEDS work quite differently from resistors. The voltage drop across the resistor is proportional to the current through it, but the voltage drop across the LED varies only a little with current. Since the voltage drop across the LEDs stays fairly constant no matter what the current is through them and the supply voltage is also fairly fixed, then so must the voltage drop across all the resistors. Adding more resistors reduces the current through them to produce the required fixed voltage drop, but does not significantly alter the voltage available to run the LEDs. So, the LEDs will dim but not go out.

Of course, the other approach is just to stick an extra resistor in the circuit and see what happens. If not enough reduction in brightness occurs, then add a few more resistors. At least, adding resistors in series will not cause things to blow up.

Webbo 
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: dats475 on February 03, 2018, 11:19:55 PM
themadhippy, Webbo and Rich,
Thank you very much for your support!
I haven't tried connecting another resistor yet.  :dunce:
Why am I waiting for?
Well, I have a bigger problem now.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/61/5197-030218223458.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=61531)
I received a plastic optic cable.
I crossed over the modelling boundary and the Closet Branch is a rocket science (in my mide) now!!
I call the cable "Happiness 150".
Because I like happy stuff.

Now, testing. I'll try to lighting up the cable with this.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/61/5197-030218225023.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=61532)
I got this from my work. It's a keychain flashlight.
It has a white LED already so I don't need to buy white LED.
I inserted a small length of drinking straw.
Eventually I'll paint the straw black color.
The idea is to connect/insert a bunch of optic cables to the straw and tape it so that light wouldn't leak out.
I decided to call it the "Odyssey X".
The sound something important.
I got two of this.

I tested by connecting the Odyssey X-2 to Happiness 150.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/61/5197-030218230227.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=61533)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/61/5197-030218230608.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=61534)
It worked.
(Do you see a tiny dot?)

Now I have to figure out how long of cables and where the lights go on the structures.
I have only ten meters to play with.
Also I have to modify the Odyssey X.
Maybe connect it to Viper5000 or somewhere.

As you can tell I have no idea what I'm doing. Yay!' :wave:

Dats
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: dats475 on February 04, 2018, 01:38:05 AM
Hello?

Ok, I experimented a little.
I need to refine a lot more but something like this kind of effect I'm looking for.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/61/5197-040218013021.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=61542)
I can attach a lot more cable to this structure if I want to.
still one LED.
I'm thinking that lighting up two backdrop flats buildings from one LED.
Bending the cable is a challenge which I need to figure out.
Especially for using them on flats buildings like this one.

Dats

Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: Bealman on February 04, 2018, 02:27:08 AM
Cool!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: texhorse on February 04, 2018, 08:37:52 AM
Even though I used to work for a cable company, it never occurred to me to use fibre optic cables to light my layout!  Great idea Dats!

Andy
UK
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: Rich_S on February 04, 2018, 10:17:24 PM

Bending the cable is a challenge which I need to figure out.
Especially for using them on flats buildings like this one.

Dats

Hi Dats, I read an article that says you should be careful how you bend your fiber optic cable as too tight a bend and you will decrease your cables ability to transmit light.





Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: Webbo on February 04, 2018, 11:18:23 PM
I can vouch for Rich's videos on bending the fibre optic cable. My searchlight signals use optical fibres connected to a light source under the table. I managed to get a crease in a couple of them. Unfortunately when this happens to is very difficult to uncrease the cable completely causing light to leak out.

In the signal heads, the kit manufacturer suggested that you flare the cable to get a wider light by bringing it up to a hot soldering iron. Filling the signal heads with canopy cement helped even more.

Webbo
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: dats475 on February 09, 2018, 09:55:29 PM
Hi guys

Rich, Webbo, Bealman and Andy, thank you very much for your comments and information.
I need to ask a lot more questions later but first, a little bit of progress.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/61/5197-090218215136.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=61737)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/61/5197-090218215259.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=61738)

I'm hungry now, I'll post a little more later.  :food: :wave:

Dats
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: Rich_S on February 09, 2018, 10:28:22 PM
Hi guys
 a little bit of progress.
([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/61/5197-090218215136.jpeg[/url]) ([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=61737[/url])
([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/61/5197-090218215259.jpeg[/url]) ([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=61738[/url])

Dats


Hi Dats, The Fiber Optics lights look fantastic, well done  :thumbsup:

Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: texhorse on February 10, 2018, 09:30:26 AM
They look great.  I think the Crew are going to need more light than that when they run the train though!  Tucker will be eating his sandwich and will bite his fingers!

Andy
UK
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: monttrak on February 16, 2018, 06:52:24 PM
I just binge read Closet Branch. I am humbled by your talent and innovation. I am so inspired to get going on my layout, just so I can try some of the tricks you posted!  Thanks!
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: dats475 on February 17, 2018, 12:07:23 AM
Hi monttrak

Thank you very much for your kind words!
Your encouragement would be a tremendous help while I'm working on the layout in my stinky closet.
I said "stinky" because my wife put my used shoes in the closet awhile ago.
That is making pretty funky situation at the moment.
Unfortunately I can't complain about it for three reasons.
1) They are my own shoes.
2) After all it's a closet.
3) I'm scared of my wife.

Anyway, I'm recovering from a severe cold and I couldn't do any modelling activity this week.
Hopefully I can have some energy to do modelling this coming week.

Thank you again for your comment!
And please start a thread here when you have a chance.
I can use a lot of inspiration!!

Dats

Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: Rich_S on February 17, 2018, 01:55:04 AM

Anyway, I'm recovering from a severe cold and I couldn't do any modelling activity this week.
Hopefully I can have some energy to do modelling this coming week.

Dats

Hi Dats, The flu is going around. I had it a couple of weeks ago. I slept for almost two days in a row. It's really bad this year and some folks are getting the flu twice. After I was feeling better, I went and got a flu shot, I don't want to get it again.  Hope you are feeling better soon.

Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: mr magnolia on February 18, 2018, 06:57:48 PM
Come on guys! Man up and get on with some modelling - I want to read more! 😎
(*assumes dats and rich_s are guys*..)

Donald
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: Rich_S on February 18, 2018, 09:50:10 PM
Come on guys! Man up and get on with some modelling - I want to read more! 😎
(*assumes dats and rich_s are guys*..)

Donald

  :hmmm:  Last time I checked, I was still a guy  :confused1: :laugh:
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: dats475 on February 18, 2018, 11:17:45 PM
Donald!!  :laughabovepost:
How are you doing?  :wave:
I read that you've been busy with your life and family but how's it going these days?
Donald, Rich is a real man but let me get this straight.
I'm more like a Neanderthal man kind of man, you know.
So if you ask me "Am I a man?". Then the answer is yes and no.
Precise answer would be "A primitive man"!!

Anyway, I started working on lights again but not real progress so far.
I'm going to use key chain flashlights to light up my buildings but I need to modify the flashlights.
It doesn't stay lit unless I keep pressing a button.
So I need change to a slide switch (or something).
eBay sells mini switches from China for cheap but I have to wait at least a month.
So, I tried to scavenge a switch from my daughter's old unwanted toy.(with her permission.)
I dissected a toy and found out that it wasn't a typical slide switch.
It's a totally useless!
Well, I'll find something for it soon.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/62/5197-180218223910.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=62045)
Ms. piggy, I'm sorry.

Ok, this is my question:
Why this one doesn't have a resistor? Or I should ask if I want to add one more white LED to this, do I need to add a resistor to the additional LED?
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/62/5197-180218224351.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=62046)

By the way, today I found out that if I stick a magnet to small screwdriver, I wouldn't loose small screws and it makes very easy to screw them back.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/62/5197-180218224831.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=62047)


Andy, you're right!
I like the size of cable lights but some places need to be more brighter.
If I want to look right, probably  I have to combine cable lights and mini LEDs.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/62/5197-180218230816.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=62049)
(Rich, I know. I messed up this ground throw as well.)

Dats - A living Neanderthal man. Cool!!
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: Rich_S on February 18, 2018, 11:59:18 PM


Ok, this is my question:
Why this one doesn't have a resistor? Or I should ask if I want to add one more white LED to this, do I need to add a resistor to the additional LED?
([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/62/5197-180218224351.jpeg[/url]) ([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=62046[/url])

Dats


Hi Dats, why no resistor? It looks like the batteries are in series and I'm going to guess each battery is rated at 1 volt, so 3 one volt batteries in series would be 3 volts and that LED can handle 3 volts DC. You would only need a resistor if you added another battery, you do not need a resistor if you add another light.

Stated in another way, a battery is a power source. A light is a load on the battery. Too many batteries supply too much voltage and current to the light, burning it out. But the only thing that can happen with too many lights is they'll make the battery go dead faster, i.e. they'll use up all the batteries voltage. 

Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: mr magnolia on February 19, 2018, 12:09:24 AM
Hey dats and Rich - it’s 10 past midnight here - so just a quick comment - you don’t need to keep the magnet on the screwdriver - just stroke the magnet a few times in one direction down the screwdriver shaft and it will remain magnetised!

Thanks for the info update  - I’m sorry for your daughter..

Speak soon! (guys)

Donald
🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: Webbo on February 19, 2018, 03:23:30 AM
Hi Dats or should I say Fred Flintstone

You have 3 button cells there so I would guess that your power supply will provide something like 4.5 volts. If so this is going to be insufficient to run 2 LEDs in series. My guess is that the resistor in the circuit must be incorporated into the LED assembly as the circuit must have a resistor somewhere. If you want to run another LED you can either wire it in parallel with an extra resistor or you can increase the voltage of the power supply. Typing this stuff on my phone which is marginal operation for me.

Webbo
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: dats475 on February 19, 2018, 11:14:07 PM
Hi guys

Rich and Webbo thank you very much for the battery info.
As usual, I haven't think how to light this up throughly.
I want all of my buildings to be removable.
(In my standard) it makes somewhat complicated.
I'll think about it more while Im in the bathroom.

Donald, I need to see your updates!!
And say hello to your family.
My daughter is just fine..... I think.

Ok, I added a few more cable lights.
I need to add more lights on the blue building's doors.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/62/5197-190218225832.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=62106)
I'm lighting those with a flashlight which you can see in the middle.  (Orange one)
Eventually I'll hide a LED light inside of each building.
That's the plan. Actually it's more like a dream than a plan.
See what happens.

Dats
P.S. Webbo, I'm not cute as Fred Flintsone. More like a hairy grotesque ape man who always have a fly or two flying around. That kind of  type. Wearing no clothes either.
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: texhorse on February 20, 2018, 12:40:29 PM
Dats, can you put some clothes on before you start adding your comments on the forum please?  I'm sure there's a rule about that somewhere!!!  In the meantime, I think I've gone blind!   8)

The buildings are looking better with more lights on Dats!  Tucker still says that although he can eat his sandwich now, he forgot where he put his chocolate milk down, and he spilt it!  More lights needed, he said....

Andy, the suave, sophisticated man.
UK
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: dats475 on February 23, 2018, 10:12:34 PM
Hi guys

You're right, Andy.
No clothes posting is rude.
I go commando instead.  :claphappy:  :thumbsup:

Ok, I decided to use a Viper5000 ($0.99 battery box) to lighting up two buildings.
And I sort of finished installing them.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/62/5197-230218212854.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=62208)
Modifying a key holder flashlight.
I connected a resistor first but came out too dim so I removed it.
According to internet, button cell is 1.5v and AAA is 1.5v.
I thought I can use a LED with the Viper 5000 without a resistor and it worked (so far.)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/62/5197-230218213437.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=62209)
Modified flashlight tacked in.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/62/5197-230218213741.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=62210)
Installed wiring through layout benchwork.
I used nails as connecting terminals so I can unhook and remove those buildings.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/62/5197-230218214319.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=62211)
A Viper5000 installed on fascia.
Now I can control it from a flip of switch.
Please ignore a red wire sticking out on the right. The wire is connected to my zephyr and I'm too lazy to reconnect it through underneath of layout.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/62/5197-230218214658.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=62212)
And lights are on.
Need lights on roofs and make covers on left building door lights.

Question1: As you can see, I used nails as connectors. Do you think batteries electricity would melt pink insulation foam and even catch fire?
Question2: In the future, I'd like to use Tamiya connectors or Dean connectors.
Do they work on my situation?
Question 3: Can I use a Tamiya or Dean connector for connecting an extension module to existing a yard module. I'm using an old Digitrax zephyr. Those connectors would adequate for the purpose?

I still have to figure out how to lighting up background flats buildings on my extension section but I'm tired of looking at tangled plastic cables so I might take a break from the project.
Probably I'll aimlessly do something else on layout for awhile.

By the way, you can bend optic cables with a hair dryer and you can secure them with hot glue. Surprisingly the hot glue wouldn't melt the plastic cables!

Dats

   
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: Rich_S on February 23, 2018, 11:38:16 PM
Hi guys

Question1: As you can see, I used nails as connectors. Do you think batteries electricity would melt pink insulation foam and even catch fire?
Question2: In the future, I'd like to use Tamiya connectors or Dean connectors.
Do they work on my situation?
Question 3: Can I use a Tamiya or Dean connector for connecting an extension module to existing a yard module. I'm using an old Digitrax zephyr. Those connectors would adequate for the purpose?

Dats
 

Hi Dats,

Answer 1: You're in luck, Pink Insulation foam does not conduct electricity, plus I don't think 1.5 Volts DC and milliamps of current is enough to melt foam.
                 Short answer, your safe.

Answer 2: Anything that makes a solid mechanical connection works great, that includes just twisting the wires together (but don't do that, it looks messy and they can fall           
                 apart.  I personally like Fastenal (disconnect) connectors. You use to be able to get them dirt cheap at Radio Shack, now you have to find an online shop that sells
                 them. When purchasing Fastenal connects, make sure you get both the male and female connectors. But yes, Dean's connectors will work just fine.
                  https://www.fastenal.com/products/details/58574?r=~%7Ccategoryl1:%22601280%20Electrical%22%7C~%20~%7Ccategoryl2:%22601347%20Terminals%20and%20Wire%20Connectors%22%7C~%20~%7Ccategoryl3:%22601349%20Disconnects%22%7C~ (https://www.fastenal.com/products/details/58574?r=~%7Ccategoryl1:%22601280%20Electrical%22%7C~%20~%7Ccategoryl2:%22601347%20Terminals%20and%20Wire%20Connectors%22%7C~%20~%7Ccategoryl3:%22601349%20Disconnects%22%7C~)

Answer 3: Yes, kind of the same answer as question 2. Remember, you'll dealing with low voltage (12 - 16 volts) and low amperage measured in the milliamp range. The only
                 time you can quickly generate very high amperage to the point where you can start welding parts together, is when you have a direct short. My Digitrax Empire
                 Builder passes the quarter test every time and your Zephyr should as well. What's the quarter test you ask? Place a quarter across both rails with the Zephyr
                 turned on and the circuit breaker should immediately trip. https://dccwiki.com/Quarter_Test (https://dccwiki.com/Quarter_Test)   

 

 
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: dats475 on February 24, 2018, 12:24:36 AM
Hi Rich

Thank you for the information and links.
I've asked Tamiya and Dean connectors and sound like I know something about it.
But I didn't even know their existence until a couple of days ago.
I need a connector that I can connect and disconnect easily.
Can Fastenal connector work the same?
I searched on the web for a youtube video of how to use the connector but I couldn't find it.

Also, I've been wondering that the old Zeyphr has a circuit breaker built-in or not for a long time.
I don't see any information on Zephyr's manual.
When I experience a short, the screen a goes crazy and it doesn't immediately shut down.
Do you think it has a breaker?  :confused2:

Anyway, I like the fact the lightning system cost me only $1.98 total.
And of course, a labor of love. (my labor of love worth just about 2 Euro, I think.)
But those tangled wires are just pain in the neck to deal with.
Although hot glue made it quick process to install, got to be simpler and better way to do it.
The chance of me finding the way is a same chance as a monkey can figure out an automatic space trajectory of a Moon trip.

Dats
 
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: maridunian on February 24, 2018, 08:32:00 AM
Anyway, I like the fact the lightning system cost me only $1.98 total.
 

Great project, well explained. I really loved the fact this is an after-everything's -built add on. My layout's on a solid base board with no wiring below (it's under the scenery -not really recommended...) but this has got me thinking about what I might retrofit.

Thankyou Dats!

Mike
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: Rich_S on February 25, 2018, 12:48:06 AM
Hi Rich

Thank you for the information and links.
I've asked Tamiya and Dean connectors and sound like I know something about it.
But I didn't even know their existence until a couple of days ago.
I need a connector that I can connect and disconnect easily.
Can Fastenal connector work the same?
I searched on the web for a youtube video of how to use the connector but I couldn't find it.


Hi Dats, Here are the Fastenal connectors I use for my Digitrax system.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/62/6318-250218003809.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=62239)

Whats the difference? Well Deans plugs usually have two wires in one connector and with Deans plugs you usually have to solder the wire to the plug bus. Fastenal connectors are crimp type connectors, no soldering required, but they only come in single wire connectors, so you need two connectors for each wire, a male and female connector.

Also, I've been wondering that the old Zeyphr has a circuit breaker built-in or not for a long time.
I don't see any information on Zephyr's manual.
When I experience a short, the screen a goes crazy and it doesn't immediately shut down.
Do you think it has a breaker?  :confused2:

Dats


From the Digitrax DCS50 Manual.
27.2.1 The Quarter trick
Take a quarter or screwdriver blade and
go around your layout creating electrical shorts by laying the quarter/screw-driver blade across both rails every 10 feet.
Your DCS50 should shutdown when the short is present. You will see walking “o”s on your display to indicate a short circuit shutdown.
When the short is removed, the booster should return to normal operation. If the unit does not see a short or it does not return to nor-
mal operation after the short is removed, then you need to add more feeders.




Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: dats475 on February 26, 2018, 05:20:18 PM
Hello :laugh3:

Rich, I'm embarrassed. It was there all along!  :doh:
I did the test but it came out "walking c' instead of walking 0.
I'm not sure it was completely shutting down or what.
It buzzed and walking c and start buzzing and walking c. It repeatedly doing this.
I believe I have enough feeders attached already. My layout is tiny so if I feed more wires, it'll be a feeder in every inch!!
Well, it works perfectly when playing with trains so I'll leave it alone for now.

Anyway, I'm vaguely thinking about learning hardwire a decorder on non-DCC ready locomotive.
I have an old Bachmann F7.
I wanted to repaint it to bloody nose scheme and put on a decoder for a long time.
I didn't have a chance to do it but Captain Andy theTexhorse came to the rescue again!!
He kindly sent me this.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/62/5197-260218165932.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=62352)
Originally he sent it to me so I can change my GP9 to a rebuild GP9E number.
But I'm kind of scared of doing this right away.
Since my GP9 is one of main locomotives on my layout, I want to do a good Job on this.
So I'm thinking tackling Bachmann F7 first.

Now, my question of the day is "What's the difference between Digitrax DZ126 and Digitrax TL1?".
Looks like the size is almost same.
I like the TL1 because it's cheaper but I don't understand "1function" or "3(?) functions' stuff.
Can I use TL1 as a loco mobile decoder?

Thank you, Andy!
I'm excited (and scared) to change my GP9 and finally modifying F7!!!

Dats
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: texhorse on February 26, 2018, 06:09:53 PM
Dats, do not be afraid!  I've got you this far, I'll take you the rest of the way!

Renumbering a loco has to be one of the easiest jobs you can do!

Andy
UK
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: Rich_S on February 27, 2018, 12:03:31 AM

Anyway, I'm vaguely thinking about learning hardwire a decorder on non-DCC ready locomotive.
I have an old Bachmann F7.

Now, my question of the day is "What's the difference between Digitrax DZ126 and Digitrax TL1?".
Looks like the size is almost same.
I like the TL1 because it's cheaper but I don't understand "1function" or "3(?) functions' stuff.
Can I use TL1 as a loco mobile decoder?

Dats


Hi Dats, From what I can see on the Digitrax Website, the TL1 is designed to control one light only, no motor control, plus it has a built in transponder.

For your locomotive, you'll need the Digitrax DZ126. I've installed a few of the Digitrax DZ126 decoders. Just take your time, and make sure you insulate the motor from the frame and insulate the decoder from the frame. 

May I also recommend you get a roll of 1/2" wide Kapton Tape.

https://www.amazon.com/Mil-Kapton-Tape-Polyimide-Yds/dp/B006ZFQNT6/ref=sr_1_4?s=hi&ie=UTF8&qid=1519688987&sr=1-4&keywords=Kapton+Tape+1%2F2%22+x+36+yds (https://www.amazon.com/Mil-Kapton-Tape-Polyimide-Yds/dp/B006ZFQNT6/ref=sr_1_4?s=hi&ie=UTF8&qid=1519688987&sr=1-4&keywords=Kapton+Tape+1%2F2%22+x+36+yds)

One roll will last you a life time.

Use the Kapton tape to insulate where you solder the decoder wires onto the motor.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/62/6318-260218235341.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=62400)

Now the bad news. If you have the same Bachmann Plus F7A I had, "yes had" I sold mine because I didn't think there was enough room to install a decoder in the locomotive. If you have an unpowered F7B, you might have to place the decoder in the B unit and run the wires through the door windows into the A unit?  That maybe an option?


Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: dats475 on February 27, 2018, 07:49:44 PM
Hi Andy

Thank you very much for your help and support!!
Now I can make progress on some of long wanted projects!!
I'm still scared of GP9E project.  :worried:

Hi Rich

Thank you very much for the information!
Yes, that would be a problem. No room for a decorder.
That would be a more problem for someone already started working on it without his homework.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/62/5197-270218194242.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=62420)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/62/5197-270218194330.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=62421)

Well, I have to run it as a DC loco or.....
Do you think it's hard to file down the frames without using a special tool?

I'll try to finish up the decal and see what happens from there.

Dats
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: texhorse on February 27, 2018, 10:08:27 PM
If I understand you correctly, the Bachmann loco doesn't have a lot of room for a decoder.  Most decoders fit on top of the motor.  Can you put the decoder in the fuel tank of the locomotive, if it's hollow?  You could then run the wires into the loco from there.  DZ126 is a very small decoder.  The "Z" in its number denotes that it is suitable for Z Scale locos, so it should be able to be fitted in an N Scale one.

Just my thoughts.

Oh and I see it doesn't have a number yet Dats.  Once we have your GP9E sorted out, you'll be an old hand at this, and be able to number your F unit as well!

Andy
UK
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: Rich_S on February 27, 2018, 11:12:56 PM
If I understand you correctly, the Bachmann loco doesn't have a lot of room for a decoder.  Most decoders fit on top of the motor.  Can you put the decoder in the fuel tank of the locomotive, if it's hollow?  You could then run the wires into the loco from there.  DZ126 is a very small decoder.  The "Z" in its number denotes that it is suitable for Z Scale locos, so it should be able to be fitted in an N Scale one.

Andy
UK


Hi Andy, If Dats has the same Bachmann Plus F7 I had, this is is what the model looks like,

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/62/6318-270218223646.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=62427)

From what I remember the fuel tank is solid. I guess it would be possible to disassemble the model, then using a hack saw, cut off just enough from the top of the frame in the rear of the locomotive to accept the Digitrax DZ126 decoder.

NOTE: You must completely disassemble the frame and remove all parts from the frame as you do not want to get any metal filings into the motor or gears.

You would also need to find a way to attached the decoders red and black wires to the frame and you must isolate the motor from the frame. In other words, the frame of the model transmits the current from the wheels to the motor.  It's sort of the same process I had to go though to add a decoder to my Bachmann FM H16-44.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/62/6318-270218225853.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=62428)

If you notice on the front of the locomotive frame, I drilled and tapped two holes in the frame to accept 00-90 screws. I then soldered the red and black wires to the tops of these screws. The Orange and grey wires go the motor. The blue, yellow and white wires are for the lights.  The blue tubes over the wires are heat shrink tubing.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/62/6318-270218231220.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=62429)
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: texhorse on February 28, 2018, 08:36:31 PM
I am hoping the TCS M1 decoder is similar to Digitrax DZ126.  It certainly looks similar.  If so, here's how TCS recommend you put their decoder into one of these locos : 

http://www.tcsdcc.com/Customer_Content/Installation_Pictures/N_Scale/Bachmann/F7B/index.html (http://www.tcsdcc.com/Customer_Content/Installation_Pictures/N_Scale/Bachmann/F7B/index.html)

It certainly is something beyond my capabilities, I'm afraid, but maybe you will be able to have a go Dats.  Or is there somebody connected to say Trainworld in the NY area, who does these installations?

Andy
UK
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: dats475 on March 04, 2018, 02:49:34 PM
Hello

Hi Andy
I'm afraid that Rich is right.
The fuel tank is a solid metal therefore no room for a decoder.
Either I have to run it as DC or finding a way to cut the frames without a special tool.
I don't even know what kind of metal they are using for the frames.
Maybe Zinc alloy or something?
As of DC running, it runs pretty noisy and really can't control low speed.
On top of that, it has a slight motor burning smell while running...like a old days N gauge loco.
Also this Bachmann F7 wouldn't fit for my modelling era of 1982.
Despite of all this, I kind of like running it.
The loco remind me of my first locomotive model I had as a kid.
So noisy and start smelling the burning motor!
Obviously I can't use it for any serious(?) Op session but it definitely has a nostalgic value.

Nevertheless, I'm having fun with the model by applying some decals and putting homemade detail parts.
I messed up grab irons on the nose as you can see.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/62/5197-040318141903.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=62553)
I learned the importance of making a template and a jig.
I needed some kind of paste to fix the wrong hole but I didn't have a Tamiya putty or anything fancy like that.
So I mix drywall compound with water to make watery putty and apply tiny amount of it.
I didn't want to sand the area after drying so I smooth it with my finger while applying it.
It looks OK for me now.
I also made a some detail parts that I don't even know their name.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/62/5197-040318143422.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=62554)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/62/5197-040318143526.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=62555)
A masking tape you see on the bottom is my template.
I might remake the masking tape template but I'm planning to add four tiny grab irons there as per real locomotive picture.

Nice to have a nostalgic "less pressure to modify hell out of it" loco and yes!, the smell of burning motor!!

Dats
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: texhorse on March 04, 2018, 03:14:12 PM
Why were you worrying about the decals Dats?  You have made a great job of these!  Now you can do the GP9.

Andy
uk
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: texhorse on March 04, 2018, 03:16:33 PM
I'm sorry the loco is going to be a pain to put a decoder in Dats.  Does it run well on DC?  If not, then I would forget about putting a decoder in anyway.  However, if it is running nicely, I would reiterate there is definitely someone in your area who can do the installation for you!  If you are an NMRA member, try putting a request for help and contact someone through there?

Andy
UK
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: dats475 on March 04, 2018, 04:44:15 PM
Hi Andy

You're right!!
Yes, GP9!!
Renumbering my favorite GP9 to GP9E!!!
.......well, I'll watch your videos a little bit more and summon up some courage. (A new video would be a very helpful, Andy.  ;)  :tv: )
The truth is I want to do it when I have a time to sit down and really concentrate.

I have to thank you for your patience.  :admiration:
The purpose of the gift decal is to change GP9!!
In a couple weeks, I have a prospect of having some free time so I'm thinking that it will be a good time to do it.
I'm definitely looking forward to do it though!!

By the way, how people are modifying/ cutting loco frames?

Dats






Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: texhorse on March 04, 2018, 07:34:34 PM
Hi Dats

You know I'm here to help with the renumbering.  Any question at all, just ask.  We all learned the method at one time.  I like to think I do a good job when renumbering, and I will gladly share my advice with you, as I did last week in a personal message.  You can't go wrong!  We'll get you sorted out, with no problem!

I had to change a couple of loco frames on two CSX Athearn SD70Ms I have.  It's easy as long as you totally dismantle the frames, take little bits out of the metal instead of doing it all in one go, and ensuring there are no loose metal shavings which can get into the engine.  You'll probably need needle files and a dremel to do it efficiently.  But I would reiterate that you need to take your loco to an expert, really.

Andy
UK
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: Webbo on March 04, 2018, 10:58:07 PM
Hi Dats

I'm wondering about your GP9E. The web tells me that the GP9E was an SP upgrade to a GP9. Besides the number change are their significant appearance chances between the GP9 and the GP9E?

I have a Canadian Pacific GP9U which is a modified version of the GP9. In this case, the modification involved chopping off the high hood so the loco looks more like a GP35.

No F7s running around on the Espee in 1982?

Webbo
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: dats475 on March 05, 2018, 01:36:59 AM
Hi Andy

When it comes for a decorder, I'm afraid that I have to do total dissembles.
From my past experiences, when I dissembled something it never came back the same again!  :doh:
I really want to learn how to do it but it definitely seeking a professional help is an option.
I don't think I'll get that far with F7 though.
Besides it doesn't run that well so pay someone to install a decorder might not worth it.
Well, see what happens.
I'm slowly shifting my attention to the GP9 project now.
Thank you very much for your help as usual, Andy!!

Hi Webbo

How are you doing these days?
How's a little Canada of yours?
You must be busy with running fabulous IM SD40-2s!!

I had this F7 for a long time and Andy gave me a decal sheet that can cover both GP9 and F7.
So I'm talking an advantage of it.
Unfortunately Espee F7 were long gone in 1982, Webbo.
It doesn't fit on my era but I certainly enjoying this.
I heard that SP was rebuilding their engines in late 70's to 80's at their own shop in Sacramento, CA.
A bunch of GP9 came out as GP38 specs.
And some early rebuild have an air filter(?) hump on the roof.
Also it has a straight skirt above of the fuel tank.
I like the look of those GP9E units.
One of rebuild project was called GRIPS or something like that.
Probably I'm missing a lot of information but then again, you are asking to a guy who can't remember what his breakfast was.

Dats




Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: Webbo on March 05, 2018, 06:58:13 AM
Hi Dats

I think your F7 is a very handsome looking loco. I'm much more sloppy than you are about getting the eras right so running an F7 in 1982 or 2002 wouldn't worry me at all.

I'm also a big fan of GP7s and GP9s and SD40-2s.

Webbo
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: texhorse on March 05, 2018, 03:15:31 PM
Webbo's right, Dats!  If you say there was a F7 running in your area in 1982, then there was!  You've seen how many different locos are on the MHRR.  Where else could you see a Rio Grande SD45 running alongside a Union Pacific SD70ACe and a CSX GEVO?  Time and space are fluid on my layout and can be on yours!

Even on Cascade, where there are five locos, I have an SD40, F45 which are both OK, an SW2 which never was in the PNW in 1979, a GP7 which had moved on by then, and a Milwaukee Road loco which never got to my area at all!

Andy
UK
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: Rich_S on March 05, 2018, 11:58:14 PM
Hi Dats,  Probably one of the best Espee (Southern Pacific) sites on the entire internet is this site

http://espee.railfan.net/espee.html (http://espee.railfan.net/espee.html)

I've emailed Richard in the past and he is very knowledgeable on all things Espee.

Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: dats475 on March 11, 2018, 01:54:10 PM
Hi Webbo

I'm trying to aim for my era.
But the end, I'm probably more sloppy than you, Webbo.
If I have a unlimited budget for the hobby, my modelling era would be 1890- 2018!!

Hi Andy

You're right about that!
If I lose fun by narrowing modelling year would be a silly thing!
It like shooting my foot myself or using a clogged bathroom.

Hi Rich

Thank you for the link.
I've been visiting the site for a long while.
He has an amazing collection of pictures and information!!
The site is the Espee encyclopedia!!

I've been busy with my job and family last a couple of weeks.
I didn't do much of modelling but I added a little bit of details on F7.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/62/5197-110318132406.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=62824)
Adding grab irons on both sides.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/62/5197-110318132316.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=62823)
Painted them in white colour.

For GP9.
I could remove some numbers without disturbing the base coat.
I learned how to do this on a YouTube video.
He was using Micro Sol and tapes.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/62/5197-110318132925.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=62825)

Andy gave me a great new number idea.
He found a picture of real rebuild engine #3412.
I've seen this particular engine before and I really like it.
So 3412 It is!!
The reason Andy chose the number was that decal sheet already have 3412 in order!!
I don't need to cut them and rearrange myself!!
Yay!!

Now please remind me next procedure.
I need a gloss coat where I apply the new number decal.
Then a coat of clear flat paint on top of that?  :hmmm:
So it will be a flat paint colour again?  :confused2:

Do you recommend spray type of those clear paints or my rubbish brush work would be sufficient? :scowl:

Dats


Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: Rich_S on March 11, 2018, 02:09:33 PM

Now please remind me next procedure.
I need a gloss coat where I apply the new number decal.
Then a coat of clear flat paint on top of that?  :hmmm:
So it will be a flat paint colour again?  :confused2:

Do you recommend spray type of those clear paints or my rubbish brush work would be sufficient? :scowl:

Dats


Hi Dats, I always just use the Rattle Cans of Testors Gloss Cote. Let it dry, then apply the decals and use the Micro Sol decal setting solution. Let the decals dry and apply the Rattle can of Testors Dull Cote. I would not hand paint, you might not get an even coat, I prefer to spray the Gloss and Dull cote. Practice on a old piece of plastic first, because you don't want to get the model too wet, but at the same time if you hold the can too far away, you'll get an orange peel look, which is not good. It sounds harder than it really is.

If I can do this model of a Western Maryland GP40,

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/62/6318-110318140816.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=62826)

you can do your Espee GP9E   :)

Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: dats475 on March 11, 2018, 02:44:40 PM
Thank you, Rich!

I want my GP9 to be like your engine, Rich!
Nice'n'clean!!
I practiced brushing with Mod Podge on scrap styrene and I couldn't get rid of the brush strokes.
I figured that any brushing coat would be the same.
So I was wondering that brushing would enough for a clean result or not.
I'll get a spray can of gloss coat and dull coat.
When I spray something, I always spray too much.(I think.)
I'll practice it when I get the sprays but do you have any general rule of thumb distance between the model and spray?

Dats
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: texhorse on March 11, 2018, 07:02:39 PM
Hi Dats

I'm glad you've made a start on renumbering the GP9.  Believe it or not, removing the old number was the most difficult part!  Next stage is, as you said, putting the gloss varnish on the area which will get the 412 decal.  At this point, don't put any matt varnish on top.  Just apply the decal, using the method I outlined in a private message a couple of weeks ago.

Once you are happy with the decal in its position, and allowed it to dry and set in place, then put gloss varnish on top, and if necessary matt varnish on top of that (although I usually don't bother with matt varnish at all).

Good work so far!

Andy
UK
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: dats475 on March 16, 2018, 11:36:01 AM
Hello!


(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/63/5197-160318111224.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=63003)
 :claphappy:

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/63/5197-160318111352.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=63004)
 :laugh3:


(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/63/5197-160318111500.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=63005)
 :beers:

How are you guys doing?
How do you think?

Dats
P.S. I realized that my text and conversations are usually 95% meaningless sentences in daily life.  :scowl:
I wanted you to think me as a "deep thought, intellectual" man.
This time, I'm attempted to post only meaningful sentences.
And I omitted any unimportant words.
Sadly it became only two sentences above. :'(
That much of intelligence I have.
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: Rich_S on March 16, 2018, 01:51:57 PM
Hello!


([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/63/5197-160318111224.jpeg[/url]) ([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=63003[/url])
 :claphappy:

How are you guys doing?
How do you think?

Dats



Hi Dats, I am doing good, although today is the last day of my vacation, back to work tomorrow. The sad part, I didn't get any modeling done, too many other irons in the fire  :laugh3:

"How do you think?" Mostly in circles, until I get dizzy and fall down  :smiley-laughing:

I think the Geep looks great, but with my short memory, I cannot remember is it an Atlas model with DCC? The grab irons on the Covered Wagon are a nice touch. I've stopped adding super details to my N scale locomotives, the old eyesight is not what it use to be even wearing my opti-visor  :doh: :'(

Keep up the great work Dats  :thumbsup:

 
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: texhorse on March 16, 2018, 01:58:12 PM
DATS!!!!  You did it!!!!!  Nice work!  All they need is to have a coat of varnish over the top to protect them!

Have you put the small number on the Bloody Nose of the Geep yet?  As for the number at the other end, I can send you something I've made which should help.

I tried to send you a message on Wednesday, but the website went down after I sent it, and it didn't go.

Andy
UK
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: Webbo on March 17, 2018, 06:50:28 AM
Dats, both the renumbering and details addition to your two locomotives look pretty good to me from a distance of about 12,000 km away. What I find amazing is that you can be showing me your stuff and communicating with Andy and others on the NGF even further away and all round the world in fact. Sometimes it seems you lot are just across the fence. My dog barks at intruders, but is totally harmless and quickly will become the friend of anyone who would like to rob us. So, if you feel like hopping the fence for a visit, please feel free to do so.

Webbo
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: Rich_S on March 17, 2018, 09:20:43 PM
Hi Webbo, How right you are. With the magic of the internet, from all over the world we can meet here and share our passion of model and prototype trains. We can exchange ideas and share photos of our latest accomplishments. It is truly a wonderful time to be in this great hobby and a fantastic time to be alive. I don't know if I'll ever be able to physically jump the fence and meet each and everyone of you in person, but I very much enjoy digitally jumping the fence and being able to see what everyone is currently working on. Thank you all for allowing me into your train room though the magic of the internet.


 

Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: dats475 on March 26, 2018, 04:45:18 AM
Hi guys!

I agree 100%. Thanks to the Wonder of internet, I can communicate with all of you.
Webbo, I think you're glad that I live far away.
If I live near you, I would show up at your train shed all the time!!
And I probably would bring my sleeping bag and toothbrush.

I've been busy with my work and dealing with heavy slow days.
So modelling progress was pretty slow.
I finally had some modelling time today.
I've been thinking how to install plastic cable lights on building flats and made a progress on it.
When I almost finished, the LED (appear to be) burned out.
So I had redo everything!!!
Nevertheless it came out like this.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/63/5197-260318043542.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=63393)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/63/5197-260318043757.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=63394)
I don't know how to take good pictures but you get the idea.

The lights wasn't effective as I thought would be.
Then again, I learned a little bit of installing procedures.
Maybe I can make it better next time.

Dats

Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: Webbo on March 26, 2018, 06:39:10 AM
Dats, if you lived near me that would be a hoot. We could talk rubbish for hours. As it is, only Bealman lives fairly near to me and his visit down here was good fun.

Burning out LEDs - you've got to make sure about those current limiting resistors.

Webbo
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: dats475 on March 26, 2018, 07:38:08 PM
Hi Webbo

I don't know why a LED burned.
I was doing exactly same as the other one.
Then again, I don't know what I'm doing so maybe I did something.
Nevertheless, more pictures.

Dusk
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/63/5197-260318193106.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=63431)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/63/5197-260318193349.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=63433)

3 AM
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/63/5197-260318193539.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=63434)
Can't see anything but a few lights.


Dats
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: texhorse on March 26, 2018, 10:22:35 PM
I have to agree with our ability to meet up being such a blessing.  It seems the four of us (Webbo - Ian, Rich, Dats and I) regularly meet on Dats' thread to talk about all sorts of stuff!  By the way, if any of you guys are here in England, I will be really disappointed if you don't arrange to come visit the Montrose and Highland Railroad with me!  You have an open invitation.

Dats, those lights are coming along nicely.  I hear there's a new track gang on the Closet Branch led by Donald McRonald who appreciates the improvement in safety now there are lights everywhere.  Before, his gang used to drink coffee at night by the light of their welding torches.  Not very convenient at all!

Andy
UK
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: dats475 on March 27, 2018, 04:11:11 AM
Hi Andy

How are you doing?
Thank you for your kind words.
Apparently the Original Track gang did some minimal work before the Wash individual lead open.
The tracks are wobbling but all trains would run on restricted speed rule so it won't have any problem.

I took more pictures.
Came out slightly better.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/63/5197-270318035422.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=63456)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/63/5197-270318035803.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=63457)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/63/5197-270318040001.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=63458)
I used a spare orange light bulb that I had for some reason.(I don't even know why I have an orange light bulb.)
The ambience looks like Mars.
Maybe I should buy a blue light bulb.

Dats
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: maridunian on March 27, 2018, 10:36:07 AM
Nevertheless, more pictures.

3 AM
([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/63/5197-260318193539.jpeg[/url]) ([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=63434[/url])
Can't see anything but a few lights.

Dats


Did you invert that one for Webbo and Bealman? ;)

Mike
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: texhorse on March 27, 2018, 06:20:49 PM
 :laughabovepost:

No, they just turn their computer monitors upside down!!

Andy
UK
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: dats475 on March 27, 2018, 08:10:48 PM
Very good, Mike!
I was just testing you. I'm glad that you notice...
No,  :'( I lied!  :'( I didn't even check the photo and didn't notice it either!  :'(
I thought we can't see anything but actually we can figure out some stuff in there!  :'(

By the way, Mike. How's your layout doing?
I remember that you moved to a new house. Are you ready to do some modelling or need more preparation?

I made a couple of Newspaper vending boxes today.
This is the real one.
http://www.alamy.com/stock-photo-free-newspaper-stands-in-los-angeles-usa-23896144.html (http://www.alamy.com/stock-photo-free-newspaper-stands-in-los-angeles-usa-23896144.html)

These are my scratch built version.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/63/5197-270318200837.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=63468)

I haven't attached a leg for red one yet.

Hi Andy.
How are you?
Any update on M&HRR thread yet?


Dats
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: mr magnolia on March 27, 2018, 09:07:38 PM
Toot toot!
Nicely done dats.
And I like your loco numbering too - keep up the good work!
Donald
Hope to speak to you guys again soon - there’s a lot of politics getting in the way of life around here at the minute, so all I get to do is have an occasional look at my forlorn railroad and a peek in here. Nice to know there is another life out there!

Donald

Edit - that reads a bit daft! I mean there’s too much real life going on for lots of us here to allow too much time lost in railroad land!
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: maridunian on March 27, 2018, 10:39:25 PM

By the way, Mike. How's your layout doing?
I remember that you moved to a new house. Are you ready to do some modelling or need more preparation?



Hi  Dats

Yes, I'm back to modelling now - tackling the canal area (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=40881.msg498880#msg498886)  of the layout. Like you I'm maximising what I can do with household scraps - I could buy accessories, but making is much more satisfying!

Mike
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: dats475 on March 28, 2018, 09:01:55 PM
How's it going, Donald?!!

I understand that you're quite busy.
Sometimes we don't even have a time to do anything!
I also have a period when I wouldn't touch my layout for a month or two because of my job schedule.
Good thing about model railroading is that it won't go rotten and we can take our time building it.
Please stop by when you have a chance and let me know how you are doing!!

Thank you for the link, Mike.
Fantastic modelling going on there!!
I'll read them carefully again tomorrow.
I was looking for your recent thread on layout construction section.
No wonder I couldn't find it.
See you on your thread, Mike!

Ladies and gentlemen, the Closet Branch 64% proudly presents:
A tribute to Bealman's tread. http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=39693.0 (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=39693.0)
My really local bus stop.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/63/5197-280318205942.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=63495)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/63/5197-280318205529.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=63493)

Shopping carts are missing but this is my version of local Los Angles RTD bus stop.
I used a Lego (borrowed from my daughter) support while glue dry.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/63/5197-280318205609.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=63494)

Dats
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: dannyboy on March 28, 2018, 09:20:10 PM
As usual - looking good Dats and as for the rusty fencing, brilliant.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: texhorse on March 28, 2018, 10:27:17 PM
I like the modelling here, Dats.  Am I right, or do the waiting bus passengers stand at the bus stop alongside the fertiliser plant?

 :sick2: :poop:

Andy
UK
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: dats475 on March 31, 2018, 11:26:33 PM
Hi David

How are you doing?
Thank you for your comment, David.
I know that you have a lot N gauge.
Do you have any place that I can see your collection?
I forgot to ask you this for a long time but what did you get at TINGS show? You had a large blue bag with you.  :thumbsup:

Hi Andy

Yes, they have to wait in front of a biosolids facility.
According to my research, biosolids smell like
"Wet Swamp".
I guess it doesn't smell like a typical fertilizer.
Nevertheless, I don't have a plan to purchase any bus for now.
So they will be waiting a bus for a long long time!!

-FAQ with Dats-
Q: What happened to the Branch Rocket guys?
A: I'm not sure.
Q: Are they the same photos that you posted here?
A: I'm not sure.
Q: Why are you posting this on YouTube for?
A: I'm not sure.
Q: Do you have anything that you're sure about?
A: I'm not sure.


Dats
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: dannyboy on March 31, 2018, 11:55:12 PM

How are you doing? very well thanks dats
Thank you for your comment, David. My pleasure
I know that you have a lot N gauge. Err, how?  :) I am in the process of updating my stock spreadsheet and it seems that I have 397 pieces of rolling stock, including 3 that are somewhere in the post. However, I have no idea how that happened  :no:.
Do you have any place that I can see your collection? No, but when I 'getroundtuit', I could take some pictures and put them in my gallery.
I forgot to ask you this for a long time but what did you get at TINGS show? I refuse to answer that question on the grounds that I might incriminate myself, (and SWMBO might read this at some stage!  ;D).


@dats475 (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=5197)

And another great video  :thumbsup:. The 'clouds' in the first part look very good - how did you get that effect?  ???
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: Webbo on April 01, 2018, 02:21:43 AM
Dats, I agree with David - another great video.

Weathering, dirt, and all the little details really terrific. And, I'm sure the piles of reconstituted sludge aren't smelling too bad either.

Webbo
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: texhorse on April 01, 2018, 11:25:29 AM
Another great video Dats!  Nice to see 3412 is back in service!

I have something for your number boards.  Drop me a private message and I'll send it to you!  Am I correct that the number boards don't light up at the radiator end, but do at the cab end?

Happy Easter My Friend!

Andy
UK
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: Rich_S on April 02, 2018, 09:44:18 PM
Very nice video Dats, the layout looks great  :thumbsup:  I hope everyone had a safe and Happy Easter and didn't eat too much of the candy the Easter Bunny brought  :D

Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: dats475 on April 07, 2018, 06:11:23 PM
Hi David

I knew it! I knew it!!
Somehow I could tell that you have a quite extensive collection!!
Hopefully I can see at least a portion of it, David!

Hi Webbo

Is it getting cold there?
We had pretty cold weather here and had snow shower again yesterday.
Anyway, how's your modelling? Did you have a chance to do some work?
Thank you for watching the video, Webbo!

Hi Andy

Yes, tiny number boards are next.
My confident is really low on this one, Andy.
I haven't had a chance to tackle the project yet.
But when I overcome my laziness, I'll report it back to you.  :confused1:
I appreciate your help, Andy!!

Hi Rich

I haven't seen your posting much these days.
How are you doing?
I assume that you are busy with work and running the new steam engine!
Thank you for your comment, Rich!

Dats
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: dats475 on April 07, 2018, 06:23:16 PM
Hello again

If a train crew who is riding on an equipment can reach you, then you are in a danger zone.


I saw a real video on YouTube. (The description section has a link to the video.)
Fortunately, the person could escape fatal error and could post a video after the incident.
Safety first.
How do you think?

Dats
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: texhorse on April 07, 2018, 06:25:24 PM
BOING!!!!   :D

Andy
UK
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: Rich_S on April 07, 2018, 09:59:04 PM
Hi Dats, I think there are far too many people who do not realize railroad right of ways are private property. The railroad right of way extends several feet beyond the actual tracks.  If you are on the right of way, but in the clear of the tracks, you are still trespassing and in the danger zone. The man in your video was lucky he was just knocked down and not killed. It's always best to railfan from a public place out of the danger zone.  Dats that is a great safety awareness video. Now you need a Operation Lifesaver safety car for the Closet Branch, so you can show that video in the safety car, to help keep the folks who live along the Closet Branch safe. 


On a side note, the PRR K4 shake down runs have been completed and the K4 has been returned to the Railroaders Museum. The Long Valley Branch is back to using diesel power. 

Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: Webbo on April 08, 2018, 07:15:31 AM
Hi Dats

Even though it supposed to be autumn here there is no sign of it. We are still getting day after day of 30 degrees (Celsius that is). A bit of snow around here would suit me just fine, but that's not going to happen.

As for my progress, I have been suffering a severe mental blockage for the last few months in trying to decide on where the trackage in my industrial area is going to go. I've now decided that less is more and will be actually doing something besides procrastinating very soon I hope.

Webbo
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: dats475 on April 13, 2018, 09:12:12 PM
Hello to everyone.

I made a video that really hard to make a comment.
I'm betting my Model Railroad reputation on this one.

This is an excerpt from video description.

Author's note:
I've noticed that not many modellers are taking about this topic.
We, as modellers community, barely touch this subject but chances are you used it for at least one time in recent times.
This film is based on a true story.
I, myself, have eaten a four days old Burrito and encountered strikingly similar situation at home.
I strongly hope that this film would help reconcile between the room and yourself.


Dats
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: Rich_S on April 13, 2018, 09:33:53 PM
I think the only reply to that video Dats is OMG  :smiley-laughing:  Not sure if you know this, but our locomotives have two types of toilets, pumper (or recirculating) toilets and electronic vacuum toilets called EVAC's.

Here is a pumper toilet in the high short hood end of a GP38-2
 
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/64/6318-130418212649.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=64125)

You can see the pumper handle behind the toilet seat. The EVAC's have a separate holding tank and they draw the waste out of the bowl via a vacuum, where as the pumper holding tank is right beneath you and the pumper handle just helps rinse the bowl into the holding tank below :laugh3: Both units have a 3" pipe that leads to the side of the locomotive so the holding tanks can be flushed into the septic system at locomotive servicing facilities.

Most switchers do not have toilets (SW's and MP's) because of the limited space. Good thing your closet branch crew had a caboose, or they'd be in big trouble  :-[


Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: dats475 on April 13, 2018, 10:38:19 PM
Wow, Rich!
I hit a jackpot on this one!!
I can't emphasise enough that this is a gold information, Rich!!
I can see a partial engine number!
Pumper toilet and EVAC with 3" pipe!!!
Who knew?!!
Thank you very much for sharing this information, Rich!!

I know that you're an electrician so I assume that you wouldn't deal with flashing the toilet.
My question is who is responsible for the toilet upkeep?
Do they have any name for the craft?

I'm amazed about the information but I'm more amazed that you have a picture of it!!
Thank you again for your help, Rich!!
I appreciate it very much!!

Dats
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: Rich_S on April 13, 2018, 11:05:27 PM
Wow, Rich!
I hit a jackpot on this one!!
I can't emphasise enough that this is a gold information, Rich!!
I can see a partial engine number!
Pumper toilet and EVAC with 3" pipe!!!
Who knew?!!
Thank you very much for sharing this information, Rich!!

I know that you're an electrician so I assume that you wouldn't deal with flashing the toilet.
My question is who is responsible for the toilet upkeep?
Do they have any name for the craft?

I'm amazed about the information but I'm more amazed that you have a picture of it!!
Thank you again for your help, Rich!!
I appreciate it very much!!

Dats


Hi Dats, Yes you're looking at the pumper toilet on NS 5204.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/64/6318-130418230252.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=64130)

So now you know what's behind those number boards  :D

The craft responsible for maintaining the toilets are the pipefitters.
The craft responsible for dumping the toilet waste tanks are the Fireman & Oilers.

Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: Rich_S on April 13, 2018, 11:16:32 PM
One more bit of info, this is the door in the cab that leads to the potty  :smiley-laughing:


(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/64/6318-130418230953.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=64131)

If you turn your head just a little more, here is the control stand

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/64/6318-130418231300.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=64132)
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: Webbo on April 13, 2018, 11:50:24 PM
I love your video Dats. No one has posted a video like yours on the NGF before I'll bet. You have filled a deficiency on the forum.

Rich, thanks for the heads up on the background behind toilet operations on locomotives.

Here's my picture of the toilet in a FP7A. This one is located in the back corner. On the left of the picture is the corridor between locomotives and on the right is part of the steam generator I think. No potty door I'm afraid.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/64/4229-130418233121.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=64133)

and here's the locomotive.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/64/4229-130418234329.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=64137)

Webbo
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: maridunian on April 14, 2018, 08:44:32 AM
I made a video that really hard to make a comment.
Hi Dats

It's certainly original! I must admit I kept stopping the video to look at layout details ... the trashed cardboard boxes lying in the siding are amazing and truly realistic.

Have you ever thought about covering your manual switch levers with lift-off shacks, etc, maybe even lineside conveniences for the burrito-striken track maintenance staff?

Mike
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: maridunian on April 14, 2018, 08:48:32 AM

Here is a pumper toilet in the high short hood end of a GP38-2

Hi Rich

It seems to have "8 Torpedoes" written above it? What's that about??

Mike
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: Rich_S on April 14, 2018, 11:31:29 PM

Here is a pumper toilet in the high short hood end of a GP38-2

Hi Rich

It seems to have "8 Torpedoes" written above it? What's that about??

Mike

We now use fuses, so that box is actually holding fuses. We don't use Torpedoes any more and the name is a little confusing. A torpedo was a small charge that had soft lead wings attached. The torpedo was laid on the rail head and the wings were bend downward and pressed into the web of the rail to keep the torpedo from falling off the rail head.  Here is a short video that shows a torpedo in use.



They were used to warn approaching trains of an obstruction ahead. Railroad radios and modern signal systems have made torpedoes obsolete.

Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: edwardstd on April 17, 2018, 03:21:05 AM
Dats - thanks for luring me into yet another forum!

 :worried:

I found your thread and I'll keep an eye on it.

TTYL!

--- Tom
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: dats475 on April 17, 2018, 09:21:02 AM
Hi Tom

How are you doing?
Very nice to see you here, Tom!  :thumbsup:
Please start your thread here.
You got a wonderful modelling plan going on, Tom!
Even just a track plan, please post here.
I need some really good inspirations, you know!   :)
I'm looking forward to reading your posts!

Dats

Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: Webbo on April 17, 2018, 10:00:24 AM
Ditto!
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: dats475 on April 20, 2018, 10:50:45 AM
Hi to everyone!

I finally bought a shopping cart kit and it's here!
I knew about this kit from a few years back.
Back then though, I thought "Who is going to buy this? Tiny Shopping carts on a layout?"
Now here I am, I'm excited about building it.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/64/5197-200418104202.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=64378)

Do you have any item that you never thought of buying it but end up exciting getting it ?

Dats
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: maridunian on April 20, 2018, 10:05:41 PM
Hi Dats - great to see the Closet Branch featured in  Model Railway Hobbyist (http://model-railroad-hobbyist.com/node/31610) this week!

Mike
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: dats475 on April 23, 2018, 12:09:18 AM
Hi Mike

Thank you very much for the link.
To be honest, I haven't keep up on MRH forum.
I've been posting there only when I upload a new video.
I certainly appreciate them that put a link to my thread on their newsletter though.
I'm not sure why they did that.  :scowl:
Since when I posted my biosolids facility, I'm not really getting a reply on the forum.  ::)
Maybe I should keep it up a little better there.

By the way Mike, you didn't leave a cart, did you?
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/64/5197-230418000448.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=64469)

Oh no. Over there too?
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/64/5197-220418235156.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=64466)

What Mike? You didn't do it?
Yeah I think you wouldn't do stuff like that.
I know that a member of this forum did iit though.  :hmmm:
Hey, don't leave it there!
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/64/5197-220418235650.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=64467)
  :smiley-laughing:

Dats
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: Rich_S on April 23, 2018, 12:45:15 AM
Hi Dats, Your shopping carts look great  :thumbsup: In the UK I think they are called a trolley, is that correct Andy? Now when we go shopping at ALDI's, it cost us a quarter to rent their shopping cart. If you put your shopping cart back, you get your quarter back. Since I'm a penny pincher, I always put my shopping cart back, so I can get my quarter back. So I don't think those are ALDI carts  :smiley-laughing:

 
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: Webbo on April 23, 2018, 01:42:23 AM
Beaut scenes Dats.

Over here in Oz they're called shopping trolleys also. Abandoned carts are more likely to be thrown into the drain than parked next to it. Our $2 deposit does not stop this happening.

Webbo
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: edwardstd on April 23, 2018, 05:42:58 AM
 Dats, once again you have come up with details that others seldom think about. Amazing!

 :D

I couldn't tell if any of those were Aldi carts/trolleys. BTW - I always get my quarter back as well.
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: maridunian on April 23, 2018, 04:07:37 PM

By the way Mike, you didn't leave a cart, did you?


Ha, no like the other guys, I wanted my £1 back!

Mike
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: Rich_S on June 23, 2018, 12:49:44 AM
Hi Dats, It's been two months and no updates, I hope all is well?
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: dats475 on June 23, 2018, 03:55:25 AM
Hi Rich, hi everyone!

I'm so sorry for not keeping up my thread.
I've been working long hours since April and my family and I decided to relocate to another state.
The house hunting and its process are eating all my time!!
I'm totally exhausted from the paper work!!
And only a halfway done!!  :'(

Well, good news is the house we are looking for has a finished basement.
I'm negotiating the territory of basement with my wife now.
My layout might de-closetnize after moving.
I'm not sure now.
In any case, I have to finish doing all process.

I just wanted to let you guys know that I'm still here.
Hopefully I have a good news by the end of July!!

 :NGaugersRule:
Dats
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: Webbo on June 23, 2018, 07:52:13 AM
Hi Dats

I too have been wondering lately what you are up to.

I'm worried what's going to happen to the Closet Branch though which is one of my favourite layouts on the NGF. What's going to happen when you have oodles more room? It might do bad things to your mind. I hope not.

I'll bet you're looking forward to being settled again and hopefully that'll happen soon.

Webbo
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: Rich_S on June 23, 2018, 09:45:54 PM
Hi Rich, hi everyone!

I'm so sorry for not keeping up my thread.
I've been working long hours since April and my family and I decided to relocate to another state.
The house hunting and its process are eating all my time!!
I'm totally exhausted from the paper work!!
And only a halfway done!!  :'(

Well, good news is the house we are looking for has a finished basement.
I'm negotiating the territory of basement with my wife now.
My layout might de-closetnize after moving.
I'm not sure now.
In any case, I have to finish doing all process.

I just wanted to let you guys know that I'm still here.
Hopefully I have a good news by the end of July!!

 :NGaugersRule:
Dats

Hi Dats, Sorry to hear about the relocation, hopefully for a better job? I understand the long hours, for more years than I care to think about I worked 12 hours a day 6 days a week. I'm glad those days are long gone, working like that make and old man out of you fast  :doh: 

I'm currently dragging myself. My regular work week is Saturday thru Wednesday with my rest days being Thursday and Friday. Well last week I signed up for Tier 4 EVO class, the downside is classes are always held Monday thru Friday, so I'm currently on my 8th day without a rest day. The class was excellent and the reference material from the class is worth it's weight in gold, but I'm dragging and need a few days off to recharge.  Do keep us posted on how everything is going.
 
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: dats475 on July 08, 2018, 07:00:18 PM
Hi guys

Just a quick update.
I'm still midst of relocation attempt and totally exhausted about the paperwork!!
My family and I can find out if we get a new  house or not in next couple of weeks.
Not mention we still have to go through a process of selling our New York property.
I moved twice since I got married.
But this time, I feel totally burning out. I guess I'm getting old and not easy as before.  :'(

For my layout, I decided to transport it with me.
It'll be a challenge especially the extension part. I made it do fragile so it'll be a potential disaster.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/67/5197-080718184851.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=67288)
Dismantling the Closet Branch in progress.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/67/5197-080718185039.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=67289)

Well, good news is my layout is a quite small and module settings so the size is not a problem.
And I can set up quickly and be able to run a train or two in relatively a short time.....if I can move them intact.

I'm fiercely negotiating a train territory with my wife now.
I'll report back to you soon.

Dats
 
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: dannyboy on July 08, 2018, 07:09:49 PM
I hope things go well with the relocation - and with the moving of the layout! Keep us informed.
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: texhorse on July 08, 2018, 09:39:31 PM
It will all be worthwhile in the end, Dats.  Then the Closet Branch will became the Basement Sub!!!

Andy
UK
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: Webbo on July 08, 2018, 10:32:08 PM
Dats

Good to hear that the Closet Branch will  continue to live.

Best of luck with the move and I hope it's not too traumatic for you and your family

Webbo
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: maridunian on July 09, 2018, 08:31:36 AM
Hi Dats - I relocated from Scotland to Wales last September. The layout got unpacked about Christmas, but a lot of my rolling stock is still packed.

In April we had the painter in so everything went away again; we have some builders in now, so stuff's still packed away. Living at the seaside, we have lots of family and friends due in the next couple of months, so I think it's going to be Autumn before everything's normal again, a year since we moved ... My layout was designed from the start to be put-away-able, but it's only 4'x2' and solid, so I don't need to worry about damage.

I'm currently putting my railway mojo into studying and planning - I have so many ideas from you and other modellers on here, that might one day make it onto the layout.

Good luck with the move!

Mike 
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: Rich_S on July 10, 2018, 12:52:08 AM
Hi Dats, If you don't mind me asking, where are you moving to? Hope all goes well with your move. I hope my moving days are done until I retire, the wife wants to move someplace warmer, I'm OK with that as long has it has A/C and a room for my Long Valley Branch  :bounce:
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: dats475 on July 18, 2018, 06:48:59 PM
Hi guys

Quick update.
My family and I got a new home.(finally!)
And in couple of weeks, we'll move everything to there.
I transported two out of three sections of my layout. Currently sitting on the basement floor.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/67/5197-180718174805.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=67538)
The Yard section on the move.


(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/67/5197-180718175004.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=67539)

I'm still in the Territorial negotiating with my wife.
I'm hoping that my layout can be in a little more bigger space than before.
In worst case scenario, I'm planning to fake "Girly cry".
She might feel pity for me and get me a bigger territory.
I've been practicing fake cry in the bathroom lately and I think I'm ready.
Is the plan really works?
Well, I'll get back to you soon!!

By the way, my new location is lower Bucks county Newtown, PA, Rich.

Dats
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: texhorse on July 18, 2018, 10:19:24 PM
Fake girlie cry huh Dats?   :smiley-laughing:

It didn't work for me.  I wanted the spare bedroom, but got pushed out to the shed!!!!  Good luck in growing the Closet Branch into the Basement Subdivision!

I hope the move has not damaged anything.  I don't just mean the layout and stock, I mean anything.  It's very demoralising if that happens.

Andy
UK
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: texhorse on July 18, 2018, 10:21:01 PM
 :'(

Andy
UK
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: Rich_S on July 18, 2018, 10:43:04 PM
Dats, Welcome to the Keystone state. The unfortunate part, you're by Philadelphia and I'm on the West side of the State by Pittsburgh. I have to warn you, living in Pennsylvania may turn you into a Pennsylvania Railroad Fan. Stay strong and resist the dark side so you can stay true to the Espee  :smiley-laughing:  Stay safe during your move and don't over do it, we've been having some really hot and humid weather, remember to stay hydrated. 
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: dannyboy on July 18, 2018, 10:49:24 PM
Hi Dats, good luck with it all. I do not think the 'girly cry' thing will work to be honest. It needs to be more a 'bribery' approach - is your nearest and dearest into new shoes/handbags or anything like that. As an aside, I wonder why we use the phrase 'nearest and dearest' !   :hmmm:
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: texhorse on July 19, 2018, 06:59:19 PM
Dats, Rich.

Can we see a meet up happening at Horseshoe Curve on a date between 17th and 19th September?  I'll be there!

Andy
UK
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: Rich_S on July 20, 2018, 11:57:21 PM
Dats, Rich.

Can we see a meet up happening at Horseshoe Curve on a date between 17th and 19th September?  I'll be there!

Andy
UK


 I work Saturdays thru Wednesdays and don't have any extra vacation time, so the 17th through the 19th is a no go for me.  If it's possible for you to be there on Thursday Sept. 20, let me know and we can setup a time? I live about 2 hours West of Horseshoe curve. I use to go there a lot in the Conrail era.

Conrail SD50 Looking toward the center of Horseshoe curve (This view and this location are no longer accessible) 
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/67/6318-200718232935.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=67602)

Here is another location that is no longer accessible.
This is a West Bound Amtrak Pennsylvanian at Bennington Curve.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/67/6318-200718233243.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=67603)

Here is a Conrail ZWW Iron Ore train at Bennington Curve, looking West (Train passing under the signal bridge) and
looking East at Benny Curve with helpers on the rear of the train.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/67/6318-200718233510.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=67604)

Here is what the two West bound tunnels looked like at Gillitzen looked like before the Allegheny Tunnel was enlarged for double stack trains.
The Amtrak F40PH is exiting the Allegheny Tunnel. The name of the tunnel to the left was the Gillitzen tunnel, it's now out of service under Norfolk Southern.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/67/6318-200718233742.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=67605)

Here is the same location as the photo above, looking West
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/67/6318-200718235647.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=67608)


This train has just exited the third tunnel at Gillitzen (aka Tunnel Hill) and is crossing over the former Hollidaysbug line. The Hollidaysburg line was taken out of service when US 22 was reconstructed. Note in this photo, I'm on the East side of Tunnel Hill and this location is no longer accessible.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/67/6318-200718235314.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=67607)

Last time I was there, this old girl is still standing guard at the curve
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/67/6318-210718000612.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=67609)
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: texhorse on July 21, 2018, 09:43:39 PM
Thank you for those Conrail photos Rich, excellent!

Unfortunately, our entire fortnight is totally planned.  On Thursday, we are driving from Altoona to Columbus OH, so I wouldn't be able to meet up.

A real shame, but it can't be helped.

 :'(

Andy
UK
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: Rich_S on July 22, 2018, 10:29:02 PM
Thank you for those Conrail photos Rich, excellent!

Unfortunately, our entire fortnight is totally planned.  On Thursday, we are driving from Altoona to Columbus OH, so I wouldn't be able to meet up.

A real shame, but it can't be helped.

 :'(

Andy
UK

Hi Andy, As we get closer to the date, remind me again. I may end up with the blue flu Wednesday September 19, If you know what I mean. I'd really like to make the trip to Horseshoe to meet you in person. It would be great if Dats could join us? We'll have to play it by ear, but there is a good chance I may come down with the Blue Flu that Wednesday, cough, cough.  ;)
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: texhorse on July 23, 2018, 10:09:22 PM
I get you Rich, it could happen you know.  There's always something going round in Pennsylvania, around the middle of September, you know....

Andy
UK
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: Webbo on July 24, 2018, 06:25:19 AM
Rich, Dats, Andy

I'm going to be in your region around the time that Andy will be there. My wife and I are returning from a trip to Nova Scotia and Newfoundland through New York 20-24 September. Horseshoe Curve is not that far away but  far enough that we won't be able to get there in our allotted time, unfortunately.

Webbo
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: texhorse on July 24, 2018, 08:16:10 AM
We're all so near and yet so far!!!!

Andy
UK
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: Rich_S on July 24, 2018, 11:53:54 PM
Rich, Dats, Andy

I'm going to be in your region around the time that Andy will be there. My wife and I are returning from a trip to Nova Scotia and Newfoundland through New York 20-24 September. Horseshoe Curve is not that far away but  far enough that we won't be able to get there in our allotted time, unfortunately.

Webbo

Hi Webbo, as they use to say in the cartoons "curses foiled again" It would have been fun if we all could have met up at Horseshoe. I'm planning on being there on the 19 September to do some railfanning with Andy, hopefully Dats can join us?
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: Webbo on July 25, 2018, 07:33:40 AM
Yes, 'close but no cigar' as they say. It would have been fun to meet you guys and to visit the Horseshoe Curve.

Webbo
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: dats475 on July 29, 2018, 02:37:33 AM
Hi guys

Today, the mover dumped everything into our new home.
I will sleep in between pile of boxes for a while.
My layout is sitting on the basement floor at the moment.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/67/5197-290718022535.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=67744)

I haven't checked if I have some broken scenery or not.
It looks OK to me.
Once I settle down, I look into it more details what is going on.

Andy, I don't know my working schedule in September but I certainly try my best to see you there.

Hopefully I can rebuild the Closet Branch soon.
Although it is not sitting inside of a closet anymore.

Dats
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: Webbo on July 29, 2018, 05:35:03 AM
Hi Dats

Great picture of the Closet Branch. We can see how it all fits together.

So have you determined with your wife whether you are going to get all of the basement or just half of it?

Webbo
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: mr magnolia on August 12, 2018, 10:32:48 AM
There’s a lot of envy-making railroad chat going on back in this thread!

Anyhoo dats, here’s hoping that your settling in to your new house, and space negotiations are proceeding well!  I’m impressed by the way you are able to casually mention your basement- something most of us on this side can only dream of!
Donald
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: texhorse on August 13, 2018, 07:54:07 AM
Welcome to your new home My Friend!

All layouts get damaged from time to time when moving them.  I doubt it will be something which can't be fixed.

I hope you can come to Horseshoe Curve and meet us, Dats!

Andy
UK
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: dats475 on August 14, 2018, 08:06:49 PM
Howdy folks!

Quick update.
Most of my layout got here without any major problem but as soon as I lay down the layout sections to the basement floor, my daughter's cat chewed one of my billboard and damaged it.
So much for careful layout transportation plan that I had.
Speaking of basement, I got to use half of it and I think it's big enough for me.
I don't think I can manage to have a huge model train empire.
I don't have enough budget nor a time for the hobby anyway.
Still though, this is the first time I have a basement and I can at least expand it 3 times much!!

I'm rebuilding the benchwork support now.
I have three choices.
1. Use conventional wood support.
2. Use shelf brackets which I was using in my closet.
3. Use PVC pipe support.
Recently I was fixing water drainage and bought PVC.
And I realize that PVC is cheap! 10' for $2.99!
So I started using it.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/68/5197-140818200408.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=68135)
Ran out of materials now and I'm not sure it's a rigid enough or not.

Another change is now I can use a center backdrop as I originally intended.
Now I can view from a side that I couldn't see in the closet.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/68/5197-140818195157.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=68133)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/68/5197-140818195235.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=68134)

I still have to do a lot of housewok stuff but I'm still here.
Keep it posted.....

I'm working on the horseshoe meet schedule, Andy.
Donald, nice to hear from you!
Webbo, how's the Deadwood doing?
Rich, hopefully I can make it the meeting.
Mike, now I know how moving eats all of my time!
David, you got to show me your extensive model collection!
If I missed someone, I apologize but please keep me informed how things are going.

I'll report back to you soon!!

Dats
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: Rich_S on August 16, 2018, 11:03:02 PM
Howdy folks!


I'm rebuilding the benchwork support now.
I have three choices.
1. Use conventional wood support.
2. Use shelf brackets which I was using in my closet.
3. Use PVC pipe support.
Recently I was fixing water drainage and bought PVC.
And I realize that PVC is cheap! 10' for $2.99!
So I started using it.
([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/68/5197-140818200408.jpeg[/url]) ([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=68135[/url])
Ran out of materials now and I'm not sure it's a rigid enough or not.

Another change is now I can use a center backdrop as I originally intended.
Now I can view from a side that I couldn't see in the closet.
([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/68/5197-140818195157.jpeg[/url]) ([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=68133[/url])
([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/68/5197-140818195235.jpeg[/url]) ([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=68134[/url])


Dats


Hi Dats, I like the center backdrop, we now have a new view of the closet branch, that couldn't be seen before, very nice :) Since you have more room have you thought about widening the original closet branch section so you can expand that radius out to 11" radius?

As for the PVC Piping, I'm not sure if it's going to be sturdy enough? You may want to add length wise horizontal pipe at the top and width wise horizontal pipe on both ends and see if that makes the legs a little more sturdy? Basically repeat at the top what you did near the bottom.  Keep us posted on the layout support you choose and the updates for the Closet branch. Sorry to hear about the hungry cat eating the billboard  :censored: :hmmm:

Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: dats475 on August 16, 2018, 11:44:32 PM
Hi guys

I made a support with PVC pipes.
And Rich, you're right! It's not sturdy enough for a permanent set ups.
I wouldn't recommend it at all!!
I'm definitely thinking of expanding the layout so those PVC would do the job for now.
I'm not sure if I keep expanding existing one or make a new layout with better materials such as a code 55 tracks.
As you know, the Closet Branch is not following any standard practice.
It was fine inside of a closet.
But now I have a better opportunity to do things normal way.
Either way, it'll take a time to develop something.
Especially my budget department is same as real Southern Pacific in 80's. It'll be for awhile to save $!! (You know, train things are not cheap!)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/68/5197-160818233546.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=68212)
PVC pipe support is up.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/68/5197-160818233716.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=68213)
Fixing recycled backdrop.

Whatever I decide, I'll keep enjoying the existing one for now.
My train is running again, yay!!

Dats

Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: texhorse on August 17, 2018, 07:30:00 AM
Whew, I bet the N Gauge folks are pleased you got the trains running again.  That pile of poo at the plant has been getting huge, with no trains to take it away.  In weather like we've been having, they couldn't have windows open, and some people even stopped going outdoors.

It was just an environmental disaster.  Glad SP can start removing it again.

 :D

Andy
UK
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: Rich_S on August 17, 2018, 10:16:18 PM
I can't wait for the first video from the layouts new home. There are sides of the Closet Branch we've not seen before, it's going to look like a completely new railroad  ;)
Wonder if the Road Foreman will give us a complete tour of the line, so we can re-qualify the Closet Branch?

 
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: texhorse on August 18, 2018, 02:35:42 PM
We really do need a new video, don't we Rich?  Hopefully all the guys managed to make the journey to their new home safely and will start moving the goods again soon.

Andy
UK
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: edwardstd on August 24, 2018, 05:09:10 AM
Hello, dats!

Sorry for not keeping up with your activities this summer. Vacations got in the way and I didn't get much done on my railroad either.

Regarding supports for the Closet Branch, here's something that worked for me. I'm building five modules and the first one is a hollow core door to which I attached folding table legs. I picked them up at Menards, but if you don't have any of those stores in your area, Lowe's, Home Depot, and other home improvement stores should carry them as well. Here's a link to one of the photo albums that I'm using to document my construction:

https://tinyurl.com/y9rj6vmp (It's actually a link to a Google photo album, but the real URL is horribly long.)

The photos show where I attached PVC pipe to the folding legs in order to get the railroad up to the level that I want (46") and I also put threaded PVC fittings on the bottom of the extenders to use as levelers. If I ever have to move the thing, the legs fold up and I won't have any problem getting it through a door. One year into construction and the whole thing is still standing. Current plans call for modules 1, 3, and 5 to use the folding table legs and modules 2 and 4 will drop in between. I'll see if the legs need reinforcing as I go along.

Good luck and I hope trains are running soon!

--- Tom
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: dats475 on August 28, 2018, 02:04:18 PM
Hello

A train on my tiny land is running!!
I'm thinking of extending the yard and add an industry so I feel like I'm modelling something.
I already made a benchwork.
I always liked the look of shadow box type layout.
Now I tried it and miserably failed it.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/68/5197-280818133507.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=68508)
Joint section of backdrop would be a problem.
I'll just use the wood box and pink foam now.

Tom, thank you very much for the information.
I thought about the option while ago. The folding legs are a little bit too expensive for my budget right now.
But, I didn't know that there are stuff called folding brackets!!
I'll look into that!
Thank you gain for your info and beautiful benchwork photos.

Be honest with you guys, without a tiny confined space, I'm lost what I want to do.
I don't know I should build a new one or keep adding to what I have.
I don't even know what kind of layout that I want.
Neverthless, time and budget are major factors right now.
I still can run a train on ex-Closet Brach though.
One more thing that I realized was I need a some kind of wakaround throttle. (I'm using the old original version of Digitrax Zephyr.)
So I can switch a team track near Webbo fruits growers.
I'm thinking of getting or I rather say "dreaming of getting" Digitrax Lnwi(?) Or PR4.

I'm trying to play with trains with a short amount of time whenever I have a chance.
Thus, a new boring video.
The backdrop bother me hell of it.


I'm working hard for scheduling September meeting with Andy and Rich.
I definitely want to see my modelling heroes there.

ex-Closet Branch, a low tech layout all the way.
Dats



Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: edwardstd on August 28, 2018, 08:55:25 PM
Nice video again! I need to start practicing doing that. I'm OK with still photos but my videos need some work.

You should double check the price on those folding table legs. I think I paid about $17 for the pair last week. I'm also definitely a low budget modeler when it comes to benchwork, and I also have to deal with not attaching it permanently to a wall as the railroad is currently in the rec room which has 100 year old plaster walls, not drywall.

Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: Rich_S on August 28, 2018, 11:07:17 PM
One more thing that I realized was I need a some kind of wakaround throttle. (I'm using the old original version of Digitrax Zephyr.)
So I can switch a team track near Webbo fruits growers.
I'm thinking of getting or I rather say "dreaming of getting" Digitrax Lnwi(?) Or PR4.

I'm working hard for scheduling September meeting with Andy and Rich.
I definitely want to see my modelling heroes there.

Dats

Hi Dats, Does your Digitrax Zephyr have the two Loconet ports on the back? (they look like two phone jacks)

If yes, all you need is a Digitrax UT4 throttle
https://www.trainworld.com/manufacturers/digitrax/UT4-Utility-Throttle-with-4-Digit-Addressing/ (https://www.trainworld.com/manufacturers/digitrax/UT4-Utility-Throttle-with-4-Digit-Addressing/)

A UP5 panel or two?
https://www.trainworld.com/manufacturers/digitrax/UP5-LocoNet-Universal-Interconnect-Panel-up5/ (https://www.trainworld.com/manufacturers/digitrax/UP5-LocoNet-Universal-Interconnect-Panel-up5/)

and Loconet cable
https://www.trainworld.com/manufacturers/digitrax/Digitrax-LNC162-16-LocoNet-Cables-2-Pack/ (https://www.trainworld.com/manufacturers/digitrax/Digitrax-LNC162-16-LocoNet-Cables-2-Pack/)
https://www.trainworld.com/manufacturers/digitrax/Digitrax-LNC82-8-LocoNet-Cables-2-Pack/ (https://www.trainworld.com/manufacturers/digitrax/Digitrax-LNC82-8-LocoNet-Cables-2-Pack/)

Or make your own cable.
https://www.trainworld.com/manufacturers/digitrax/Digitrax-LNCMK-LocoNet-Cable-Maker-Kit/ (https://www.trainworld.com/manufacturers/digitrax/Digitrax-LNCMK-LocoNet-Cable-Maker-Kit/)

I own the PR4, I use it along with my Computer and JMRI to program my locomotive decoders.

That was very interesting, using a random number generator to create a switch list, but now you need to tie that into what industries each car is delivered to.   

Even though your layout is no longer in a closet, it can still be the closet branch, paying tribute to it's humble beginnings.

Dats, I hope you can make it to the Horseshoe curve get together. It would be nice to meet you and Andy and spend a day watching trains at Horseshoe curve.

Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: Webbo on August 29, 2018, 05:02:25 AM
Hi Dats

Great to see another of your videos. These are unique on this forum.

Having more space may seem daunting at the moment, but you'll get over it. Like a prisoner released from jail I expect. We are all looking forward to what is going to happen next with your layout expansions.

Webbo
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: maridunian on August 29, 2018, 10:07:03 AM

Be honest with you guys, without a tiny confined space, I'm lost what I want to do.


Great to see the Closet Branch back in operation!

I've occasionally thought about extending my table top layout (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=28271.msg310483#msg310483) too. It'd be a shame to start again, so how about a shelf extension so you could give your trains a run in open country?

Mike
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: texhorse on August 29, 2018, 01:41:51 PM
All you need to do right now Dats is fit a switch somewhere on a straight bit of track.  Then, when you feel you might like to expand, you can join the new layout to the original, but continue to use the original layout as it is!

I'm also hoping you'll come and meet Arry, Rich and myself at Horseshoe Curve in just THREE WEEKS TIME!!!!!  That's how close it is now!

Andy
UK
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: dats475 on September 17, 2018, 01:00:40 PM
Hi guys

I'm still adjusting to the new place.
And no budget situation continue....
But nothing stopping me from making a highly "Low-intellectual" video.


Hopefully you enjoy it.
I'll get back to you if I did something on my layout.

Oh, by the way, I wanted to buy a cheap boxcar on eBay but somebody "out-bid" me in last 20 second.
It seems like eBay is getting more expensive or initial bidding prices are higher than before.
I've been looking MDC/Roundhouse boxcars for years and recently they get sold for more higher price in general.
Then again, maybe it's my imagination.

Dats
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: edwardstd on September 18, 2018, 02:45:46 AM
Dat, who does your scripts?

 :smiley-laughing:

And I know how you feel about eBay. Yesterday I lost something by $1 with 2 seconds to go. By the time eBay let me know that I had been outbid, the time was up.

 :censored:

Keep up the good work!
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: Webbo on September 18, 2018, 10:31:39 PM
Hi Dats

Another great video from the Closet Branch.

On the EBay business, a couple of comments from me. I usually use Auctinsniper to do my bidding for me. I specify a bid that is the max of what I'm prepared to pay and set Auctionsniper to place the bid 10 seconds before the end of the auction. This has several advantages: 1) I don't have to get up in the middle of the night to bid 2) I don't carried away in a bidding frenzy 3) I maximise my chance of winning at a lower price.

Works for me
Webbo
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: mr magnolia on September 19, 2018, 10:56:15 PM
Nice vid, dats.
You got some rare and special people on that line of yours. 🧙‍♀️

Is it horseshoe day yet?  Any reports from the cavalry out there in the wilds?

Donald
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: Rich_S on September 20, 2018, 02:11:34 AM
A photo for Dats of our day today at Horseshoe curve. Wish you and Webbo were here, we had a great day with great weather and lots of train talk.  :thumbsup:

 
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/69/6318-200918021016.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=69233)
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: edwardstd on September 20, 2018, 03:24:23 AM
Who's who?

Nice C&NW shirt!

 :)
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: Rich_S on September 20, 2018, 11:25:50 AM
A photo for Dats of our day today at Horseshoe curve. Wish you and Webbo were here, we had a great day with great weather and lots of train talk.  :thumbsup:

 
([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/69/6318-200918021016.jpeg[/url]) ([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=69233[/url])


From Left to Right,
Andy (Texhorse) in the Horseshoe Curve Shirt.
Rich (Rich_S) In the NS Shirt
Arry D In the Chicago & North Western Shirt. Arry models the C&NW in O scale.
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: Webbo on September 20, 2018, 03:01:49 PM
Great stuff Andy and Rich. Wish I had been there. Am now sitting in the Halifax airport lounge waiting for my flight to New York.

Webbo
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: edwardstd on September 20, 2018, 04:49:28 PM
OK! Now if I ever see any of your ugly mugs in Minnesota, I'll know who is who!

 ;D

I have to say that even though the PRR is not one that I follow closely, Horseshoe Curve is on my bucket list, just to see the engineering involved. Maybe one of these days...
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: Rich_S on September 20, 2018, 08:47:35 PM
OK! Now if I ever see any of your ugly mugs in Minnesota, I'll know who is who!

 ;D

I have to say that even though the PRR is not one that I follow closely, Horseshoe Curve is on my bucket list, just to see the engineering involved. Maybe one of these days...

Hi Tom, It is worth the trip but you need to plan on doing the full tour so to speak. The Altoona Shop complex is easily viewed from public sidewalks and while in Altoona you'll want to tour the "Railroaders Museum". Then naturally you'll want to spend some time at Horseshoe curve. You'll also want to spend some time at Gallitzin also known as Tunnel Hill to see where the trains crest the Allegheny mountains blasting out of the tunnel at the end of their climb. While in Gallitzin you'll also want to visit the Allegheny Portage Railroad National Historic Site. Next on your list should be a visit to Cresson, that is where the helper fleet is serviced. From Cresson you'll want to follow old route 22 East down the mountain, to visit the remains of Horseshoe curves twin, "Mule Shoe Curve". This was a freight bypass line during the PRR and PC era. The line was taken out of service by Conrail but you can still visit the stone arch viaduct that crosses old route 22 in the center of Mule Shoe curve. Most folks just go to Horseshoe and miss out on all the other attractions that are part of the past and present day operations of getting the railroad over the Allegheny mountains and into Johnstown. 

If you ever head out this way let me know, I live 2.5 hours West of Horseshoe (Just West of Pittsburgh), we might be able to meet up for a day of rail fanning "The Mountain"  :thumbsup:


Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: dats475 on September 20, 2018, 08:50:14 PM
Oh man!
I think I missed a wonderful opportunity yesterday  :'(
Please let me know more details about what you guys did.
If you have more pictures, please share with us!!

Rich, you're living in same state, you have no excuse for not visiting me!!

Well, modelling side.
I've been bidding in for a DCC throttle on eBay buy keep getting out bid.
I desperately need a throttle for my layout so I can move around to the other side of layout.
I need to look into the Auctionsniper, the one Webbo was talking about.
Is it third-party service?
Oh, I think Webbo is on a airplane now.

I report back to you if I win something on eBay.

Dats



Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: edwardstd on September 20, 2018, 09:29:08 PM
Rich - Thanks for the itinerary! I do have a trip to D.C. higher up on my bucket list to do some research about the C&NW and M&StL at the national archives, so that would be a good reason to take some days and go through the list of sites you mentioned.

I see from Google Maps that it looks like about a three hour drive from Washington to Altoona, so that's not too bad. When I get around to heading east, I will definitely contact you.

Thanks again for the info!
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: Rich_S on September 20, 2018, 09:36:18 PM
Hi Dats, Andy and Arry took a lot more photos than I did, I see these things everyday so no need for me to take photos of them. Here are some pictures I took before Andy and Arry showed up yesterday morning.

Eastbound Amtrak Pennsylvania on it's daily trek to New York City.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/69/6318-200918211737.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=69262)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/69/6318-200918211912.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=69263)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/69/6318-200918212049.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=69264)

Horseshoe curve visitor center and small museum with a Eastbound train rounding the curve in the background.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/69/6318-200918212313.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=69265)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/69/6318-200918212642.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=69266)

The photo of us three together are taken at the viewing area that is track level.
 
https://youtu.be/y8j_ihkTEb4 (https://youtu.be/y8j_ihkTEb4)

If you scroll back to the -3:15 time stamp, today (9-20-18 current Horseshoe time 4:47 PM) you can see where we took the group photo.
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: edwardstd on September 20, 2018, 10:09:45 PM
As long as this thread has strayed a bit from N scale topics, and just to let you guys know that the eastern US isn't the only place with curvy railroad tracks, here are some photos of the Big Ten Curve, an S-curve just west of Denver. (https://goo.gl/maps/J1rSar2VRiT2 (https://goo.gl/maps/J1rSar2VRiT2)) I took the photos while I was on the California Zephyr last month on a trip to Salt Lake City. The first two are of the westbound climb up out of Denver and the third is descending into Denver on the return trip. I was in the last car on the train so it was fairly easy to get shots of the entire consist, what with all of the curves on that line.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/69/6715-200918215846.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=69267)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/69/6715-200918215945.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=69268)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/69/6715-200918220042.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=69269)

 :D
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: Rich_S on September 20, 2018, 10:22:04 PM
Oh man!
I think I missed a wonderful opportunity yesterday  :'(

Rich, you're living in same state, you have no excuse for not visiting me!!

Dats

Hi Dats, yes it's a shame you could not attend, but if you can't get vacation time what can you do. I completely understand, I have to schedule my vacation time around 250 other people, so I know how that goes  :(

From my house to your house is about a 6 hour drive one way. A 12 hour drive round trip is just a little too far for a day trip for me. Although if I'm ever out that way on vacation, I'd really like to stop in for a visit.

Now that you're in Pennsylvania, maybe we can meet at the 2019 N-Scale Weekend in Altoona PA. The dates for the show have already been set for August 3 & 4, 2019. The show is held every year at the Altoona Jaffa Center, 2200 Broad Ave, Altoona, PA 16601. Save your pennies now as there are always a lot of vendors selling just about anything and everything in N scale. You'll also see some new products from Attending manufactures like Micro-Trains, CMR Products and Scale Trains just to name a few.



 

Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: Rich_S on September 20, 2018, 10:27:25 PM
As long as this thread has strayed a bit from N scale topics, and just to let you guys know that the eastern US isn't the only place with curvy railroad tracks, here are some photos of the Big Ten Curve, an S-curve just west of Denver.  I took the photos while I was on the California Zephyr last month on a trip to Salt Lake City.

Hi Tom, Yes a trip on the California Zephyr through the Moffat tunnel is on my bucket list. Does the Amtrak California Zephyr still use the "Inside Gateway" through the "Feather River Canyon" or has the CZ been diverted over Donner Pass?

Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: edwardstd on September 20, 2018, 10:38:17 PM
Yup - Donner Pass. Hopefully Amtrak will still be in the long distance train business after the first of the year. They are making noises about dropping the CZ, replacing part of the Southwest Chief route (Chicago - LA) with a "bus bridge", etc...

 :censored:
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: 70000 on September 21, 2018, 07:07:17 AM
As long as this thread has strayed a bit from N scale topics, and just to let you guys know that the eastern US isn't the only place with curvy railroad tracks, here are some photos of the Big Ten Curve, an S-curve just west of Denver. ([url]https://goo.gl/maps/J1rSar2VRiT2[/url] ([url]https://goo.gl/maps/J1rSar2VRiT2[/url])) I took the photos while I was on the California Zephyr last month on a trip to Salt Lake City. The first two are of the westbound climb up out of Denver and the third is descending into Denver on the return trip. I was in the last car on the train so it was fairly easy to get shots of the entire consist, what with all of the curves on that line.

 :D


Continuing the thread drift.......Back in 1999 I went on an organised railfan trip that started in Denver and finished up in Salt Lake City. One of the stops on the first day (en route to the Georgetown Loop RR) was at a location west of Denver on the line up to the Moffat tunnel called Coal Creek Canyon, where there was a significant grade on a U curve. A couple of photos I took at that location are shown below.....

Ex CNW loco # 8820 & UP #8084 lead a coal train downgrade.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/69/5878-210918065621.jpeg)

With a SP loco trailing on the rear of the same train.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/69/5878-210918065701.jpeg)

Can't remember how long we stayed there before moving on, but we did see the Westbound Amtrak service, which was followed closely behind by the westbound American Orient Express which was operating at that time.
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: edwardstd on September 21, 2018, 07:44:03 AM
Yup - Coal Creek Canyon is the next horseshoe turn west of the Big Ten Curve. I missed taking photos of that location as I think that I might have been downstairs in the lounge car with a refreshing adult beverage.  :beers:

The only way to travel!  :thumbsup:

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/69/6715-210918074307.png) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=69280)
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: dats475 on September 21, 2018, 06:03:35 PM
Fantastic photos, guys!!!
Keep coming please and especially if you have any information or photos of Espee, please share with me here.

Rich, I didn't know that they have a N scale meet!
I hardly attend any show so this might be great opportunity for me.

Tom and 70000, it looks so steep on those grade.
Amazing that a long heavy train can negotiate that!!

For modelling side, I won a bid on eBay!! :laugh3: :claphappy:
I'm a Digitrax throttle owner now!
I haven't received it yet and I can't wait!! :heart2:
One problem here.... I just found out that the throttle is really old model and unrepairable when it breaks.  :doh: :o
Well, that's only one I could afford. No wonder it was so cheap. :hmmm:
Hopefully it'll last for a long time.
I'll report it back to you when I receive it.

Dats


This picture is nothing to do with above posting but since I have in my iPod, here you go.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/69/5197-210918180123.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=69292)
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: Rich_S on September 21, 2018, 09:24:04 PM

For modelling side, I won a bid on eBay!! :laugh3: :claphappy:
I'm a Digitrax throttle owner now!
I haven't received it yet and I can't wait!! :heart2:
One problem here.... I just found out that the throttle is really old model and unrepairable when it breaks.  :doh: :o

Dats

This picture is nothing to do with above posting but since I have in my iPod, here you go.
([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/69/5197-210918180123.jpeg[/url]) ([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=69292[/url])


Dats, Very nice weathering job on the PFE reefer.  :thumbsup:

Which Digitrax throttle did you win? Was it the DT100? If yes, I own two DT100's, they are now 19 years old and still work OK. The left knob from time to time acts up a little, but I just turn it clockwise then counter clockwise a few times in rapid succession and then it's OK.

To add more flexibility to your layout,
You can purchase 2 Digitrax UP5 https://www.trainworld.com/manufacturers/digitrax/digitrax-up5-loconet-universal-interconnect-panel/ (https://www.trainworld.com/manufacturers/digitrax/digitrax-up5-loconet-universal-interconnect-panel/)
And this Loconet cable double pack https://www.trainworld.com/manufacturers/digitrax/Digitrax-LNC162-16-LocoNet-Cables-2-Pack/ (https://www.trainworld.com/manufacturers/digitrax/Digitrax-LNC162-16-LocoNet-Cables-2-Pack/)
So that you can add a throttle plug in port near the team track and add another throttle plug in port by the poo-grow facility.
That would give you total flexibility.
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: dats475 on September 24, 2018, 06:36:10 PM
Yay!!

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/69/5197-240918181453.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=69394)

Yes, Rich. You guessed it right.
It's an old model but High-tech enough for my Low-tech layout!
Problem is I don't know how to use it.
I downloaded a manual from Digitrax site but it's a combined instructions and not sure all those buttons.
I could run trains though.
Naturally I don't even know all functions are OK or not because this is a used throttle.
That's what happens when a Low-tech guy try to be a cool High-tech gizmo guy.

OK, question one:
Do I need to put a battery all the time? (I always plug it into my Zephyr.)
When Zephyr is off, the throttle still on. Says "idle".

Question two:
When I turn off the Zephyr completely and turn it on again, the throttle, seems like, doesn't acquire the same address without resetting Zephyr's loco address.

Obviously, I don't know what I'm talking about myself so I don't know how you guys can help me but if you have an experience with Digitrax DT 100, please let me know.

A Low-tech layout owner
Dats
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: dats475 on September 24, 2018, 07:22:46 PM
I just found the answer to question #1 on the manual.  :doh:
I still don't know how to use a lot of button thingies.

Dats
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: Rich_S on September 24, 2018, 10:41:49 PM
I just found the answer to question #1 on the manual.  :doh:
I still don't know how to use a lot of button thingies.

Dats

Hi Dats, the throttle seems confusing at first but it's really not that bad. Looking at the buttons left to right on the top row.
The button with the blue F0 below the button is how you turn the headlights on or off.
The button with the word "MODE" above it is used to setup consists, we'll get back to that later.
The button with the word "SEL" above it is used to select an decoder address.
First you have to choose which knob you want to use and yes you can have a locomotive assigned to the left knob and a different locomotive assigned to the right knob.

Let's start with the right knob. Turn the right knob counter clockwise a half turn to select it. Then Press the SEL (Select) button once and the small dot in the screen below the word "LOCO" begins to blink.  Now turn the right knob clockwise until you select a two digit address you want to use. With the address is selected pres the "SEL" button and that two digit address will be selected on the right knob.

Repeat for selecting a two digit address on the left knob.

Now selecting a 4 digit addresses.
Choose which knob you want to use and select it by turning it a half turn counter clockwise. Press the "SEL" button, now using the left knob, turn the left knob until the red light is illuminated beside the word "EXP"  Now select the left two digits of the four digit number with the left knob and select the right two digits with the right knob when all four numbers are selected in the view window, press the "SEL" button.

Ok, now the buttons on the bottom row, starting left to right.
The left button with the letter "L" and double arrow is the direction button for the left knob. When the left knob is in the forward direction, the light beside the knob will be flashing green. When in the reverse direction the knob will be flashing red.

This is also a good time to bring up the point, to know which knob is the selected knob, look to see which one has it's direction indication flashing.
Now don't misunderstand, I can set two different locomotives one to the left knob and one to the right knob. I can start the locomotive on the right knob moving
around the layout, then turn the left knob and it will now be the selected knob, but the engine on the right knob will continue moving at it's selected speed step.

Moving on with the bottom row of buttons.
Next button is a triangle pointing up with a plus sign "+" in the triangle, this button will increase the locomotive speed on the selected knob.
Next button is a triangle pointing down with a minus sign "-" in the triangle, this button will decrease the locomotive speed on the selected knob.
The right button is the direction button for the right knob.

Now you'll notice below the bottom row of buttons you'll see F3/F7  F1/F5  F2/F6  F4/F8 These selections only become important when you purchase a locomotive with sound.
The Function "FUNC" button on the top row allows you to toggle between the two options.
I would not worry about these until you become more comfortable with using the throttle.

One last thing, Holding down on the red "RUN STOP" button will cause all locomotives on the layout to stop. "
Holding down on the RUN STOP button plus pressing the triangle down "-" minus button will remove power from the track.
Holding down on the RUN STOP button plus pressing the triangle up "+" plus button will apply power to the track.

When power is removed from the track, the two lights by the left and right knob will turn yellow.

To answer your other question, you don't need a 9 volt battery in your throttle. I've never put one in my throttle and it works just fine.

Now onto the MODE button. To MU two or more locomotives together, the lead locomotive has to be assigned to the right knob.
All trailing locomotives have to be assigned to the left knob. Also remember to set the proper direction so the locomotives run the same direction once MU'd together. 

When you have the first two locomotives assigned to the left and right knob, press the "MODE" until the little dot in the screen is below the word "MU" then press the
up arrow "+" button.

To break apart or undo a MU consist, same as above except press the down arrow "-" button.

I hope this helps? After you've used the throttle for awhile, you'll find it's easy to use. The directions sound complicated, but it's really not that bad.



 
 
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: dats475 on September 24, 2018, 11:25:35 PM
Wow, Rich!!
Thank you very much!!
I'll use this as an instruction sheet!
I'd like to ask you (or anybody) one more question if you don't mind.

I'm using two digits addressing.
When I turned off my Zephyr and turned the power back on, the throttle would not acquire the same address loco which I left it there before I turn it off.
It seems like the address is "in use".
I pushed the sel/set button and selected the address. Now, when I push the sel/set button again for acquiring the loco, it would go back to sell/set screen.
I have to use Zephyr to steel the address and change it again before DT100 to successfully get the address.
Is this throttle broken or that's the way it is?

Thank you very much vin advance!

Dats

Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: Rich_S on September 25, 2018, 12:29:04 AM
Wow, Rich!!
Thank you very much!!
I'll use this as an instruction sheet!
I'd like to ask you (or anybody) one more question if you don't mind.

I'm using two digits addressing.
When I turned off my Zephyr and turned the power back on, the throttle would not acquire the same address loco which I left it there before I turn it off.
It seems like the address is "in use".
I pushed the sel/set button and selected the address. Now, when I push the sel/set button again for acquiring the loco, it would go back to sell/set screen.
I have to use Zephyr to steel the address and change it again before DT100 to successfully get the address.
Is this throttle broken or that's the way it is?

Thank you very much vin advance!

Dats

Hi Dats, It's not the throttle, it's probably the way your Zephyr is setup. I don't have a Zephyr, I have a DB150 command station. Try this before shutting down your Zephyr, on your DT100, press the "SEL" button once, then press the "MODE" button once. This will dispatch the locomotive address (aka release it back to the Zephyr) Then shut down. When you start the Zephyr back up, you should be able to acquire the the locomotive on your DT100 by pressing the "SEL" button once? 

Something I just though of after pressing the post button. Be sure you don't have the same address on the Zephyr as on the DT100. You can't have two devices on the LocoNet trying to use the same address. If you have the same loco number on the Zephyr and the DT100, that's probably the problem. Just select another loco number or all zeros on the Zephyr. Let us know what you find?

Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: Ted on September 25, 2018, 08:28:44 AM
Just stumbled across this build, first post is great and the layout looks ingenious. When I have my midmorning cuppa I'll be sure to check out your videos! 😎
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: dats475 on September 25, 2018, 07:40:19 PM
Hi Rich

Thank you very much again for the information.
I made sure that Zephyr doesn't have the same # as I acquire the address but it doesn't let me "set" to it. It would go back to "sel" indication.
Since it doesn't have a "steal" button, I can't not reacquire the same loco without using Zephyr.
As long as the throttle is not broken, I don't mind doing extra steps.
But I don't have an opportunity to test it anywhere so I don't know what is the status of my throttle.
How do you think?

Hi Ted

Thank you for visiting my N size Low-tech layout!
Please let me know how you are doing in your modelling world!

Dats
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: Rich_S on September 25, 2018, 10:11:38 PM
Hi Rich

Thank you very much again for the information.
I made sure that Zephyr doesn't have the same # as I acquire the address but it doesn't let me "set" to it. It would go back to "sel" indication.
Since it doesn't have a "steal" button, I can't not reacquire the same loco without using Zephyr.
As long as the throttle is not broken, I don't mind doing extra steps.
But I don't have an opportunity to test it anywhere so I don't know what is the status of my throttle.
How do you think?

Hi Ted

Thank you for visiting my N size Low-tech layout!
Please let me know how you are doing in your modelling world!

Dats

Hi Dats, this is a little odd.

First question, are you plugging your DT100 into LocoNet Port A or LocoNet Port B? If you're plugging into Port A, try Port B.

Next Question, If you put a 9 volt battery into your DT100, unplug the DT100 from your Zephyr then take the battery out of the DT100.
Your DT100 does not require a battery, the battery is only required when you're using IR or Radio operations and that requires extra equipment.
 
Next Question, when you plug your DT100 into your Zephyr LocoNet Port B, what does the DT100 Display read? Does it read SE:L -

If yes, press the "SEL" key once, dial in the number you want to select, then press the "SEL" key once. Is there an address now selected on the Right Knob?
Is the Green or Red light now lit by the Right knob?

 

Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: dats475 on September 25, 2018, 11:01:03 PM
Hi Rich

I connected to port A, with No battery.
I tried on port B but same problem occurs.
Yes, it does say SE:L-. But once turned off the Zephyr, I can't reacquire it.
It'll goes like SE:L- and set a loco #(when I set this #, two right side digits display 33, the instruction says that it's a already been used elsewhere (?) and goes back to SE:L- .
I might be able to send it back to eBay seller but quite frankly I don't think I can get a throttle this cheap. (No wonder it was cheap!)
With the extra reset steps, I can still use it....
What a dilemma!

Just now I found out one thing.
Like you said, if I push sel/set once and mode/disp once before turn the Zephyr off, I can acquire it again!
Of course one question remains. What would happen if I used a plug in Port somewhere on the layout in the future.
Unplug this particular throttle and plug in another place, can it acquire same loco#??
What a dilemma!!

Dats
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: Rich_S on September 25, 2018, 11:32:26 PM
Hi Rich

I connected to port A, with No battery.
I tried on port B but same problem occurs.
Yes, it does say SE:L-. But once turned off the Zephyr, I can't reacquire it.
It'll goes like SE:L- and set a loco #(when I set this #, two right side digits display 33, the instruction says that it's a already been used elsewhere (?) and goes back to SE:L- .
I might be able to send it back to eBay seller but quite frankly I don't think I can get a throttle this cheap. (No wonder it was cheap!)
With the extra reset steps, I can still use it....
What a dilemma!

Just now I found out one thing.
Like you said, if I push sel/set once and mode/disp once before turn the Zephyr off, I can acquire it again!
Of course one question remains. What would happen if I used a plug in Port somewhere on the layout in the future.
Unplug this particular throttle and plug in another place, can it acquire same loco#??
What a dilemma!!

Dats

Dats, OK silly question, what address do you have selected on the Left Knob? I ask because you cannot have the same address selected on both knobs? If you do not have that address selected on the left knob, is that address selected and /or saved in the Zephyr memory slot? I do not own a Zephyr, but I know you can select multiple locomotives using the Zephyr, then keep recalling them, so that you can run multiple trains at once. Maybe you need to clear out all of the slots. Look in your Zephyr manual for "Releasing an Address" from your Zephyr throttle and see if this fixes the issue?   

To answer your next question, if you select an address with the throttle and are using that address, then unplug the throttle, you have 200 seconds to plug the throttle back in to another LocoNet port and the throttle should re-acquire the current address.   
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: dats475 on September 26, 2018, 12:40:16 AM


Dats, OK silly question, what address do you have selected on the Left Knob? I ask because you cannot have the same address selected on both knobs? If you do not have that address selected on the left knob, is that address selected and /or saved in the Zephyr memory slot? I do not own a Zephyr, but I know you can select multiple locomotives using the Zephyr, then keep recalling them, so that you can run multiple trains at once. Maybe you need to clear out all of the slots. Look in your Zephyr manual for "Releasing an Address" from your Zephyr throttle and see if this fixes the issue?   

To answer your next question, if you select an address with the throttle and are using that address, then unplug the throttle, you have 200 seconds to plug the throttle back in to another LocoNet port and the throttle should re-acquire the current address.

Hi Rich
Thank you very much again for your help!

Yes, I made sure wasn't assigned to same #.
And according to the zephyr manual, releasing address is "releasing an address from a throttle. (I did it anyway to see anything different but it didn't change anything  :'()
I think my case is the throttle needs to remember the address.  :hmmm:
Plus, as you mentioned, I tested by unplugging and plugging again within 200 seconds.
And it didn't reacquire the number! :'(
That mean is the throttle is defective!!!   :'(  :'(  :'(
If I want to use it, I have to keep it plugged in all the time.
Well, that's what happened with cheap deals.   :veryangry:

I'm thinking what to do with it now.
It's working beautifully if not unplug it and if I don't turn my zephyr off for what ever reason.
Return it to seller for a little money return then most likely I have to wait for a long time to buy new one or keep using it under those circumstances. :hmmm:
What a dilemma!!

Apparently I don't know how to use "quote button" either.

Dats
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: Rich_S on September 26, 2018, 12:49:02 AM
Hi Dats, At this point I think I'd contract the Digitrax help desk and see what they think? https://helpdesk.digitrax.com/ (https://helpdesk.digitrax.com/) Maybe it's an issue that can be fixed?
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: dats475 on September 26, 2018, 06:46:01 PM
Thank you very much for your advice and the link, Rich!!
That's a huge help for me!!!
I'll try to contact Digitrax directly.

I've been contemplating or I would say having "inner battle" myself about the throttle.
Should I keep it or send it back......

Well, I'm thinking of keeping the throttle.
Reason 1: I'm too lazy going to a post office.
Reason 2: The throttle still works beautifully within some limitations but good enough for a Low Tech guy and I'm too lazy for packing the throttle.
Reason 3: I really like having a throttle and I don't know when I can buy one again and, of course, I'm too lazy to driving to a post office.
I'll think about it a little bit more.

Speak of thinking, I'm slowly planning next extension module.
I'd like to extend my yard a tiny bit more.
Also another short scene would be nice.
I'm looking around for some inspiration now...something simple.  :hmmm:

Dats
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: dats475 on September 28, 2018, 11:58:19 PM
Hello

OK.
I started to plan my next extension piece.
It's about 2 feet long and 6 inches deep.
I wanted something very simple.
Something like this.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/terryviews/2809066308/in/album-72157606457973152/ (https://www.flickr.com/photos/terryviews/2809066308/in/album-72157606457973152/)
Trackplan wise, can't be simpler than that!
A straight (tangent) track.
The scene is subject to change without notice.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/69/5197-280918235020.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=69536)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/69/5197-280918235059.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=69537)

Next step is start carving the pink foam.
But I need to buy a bag of plaster first.
Also if I really want to complete the scene, I need to purchase a lot more late 70's automobiles.
I'm looking forward for Shapeways free shipping sale on this end of year.
Well, see what happens...

Dats
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: mr magnolia on September 29, 2018, 06:24:43 PM
It’s exciting when you add a bit isn’t it??😎
Always makes me feel about 10 years old (I’m not, btw).

Look forward to seeing the video of the first crew on the new spur!
Donsld
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: dats475 on October 01, 2018, 08:23:19 PM
Hi Donald
Yes sir, I'm working on it!
How about you? Do you have a time for hobby or still busy?

OK I need help again!
When I used my Digitrax DT100 today, all the sudden the knobs started increasing 3 step at the time!!
I read the manual but couldn't find anything!
How can I make it back to 1 digit increment knobs?

Dats
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: Rich_S on October 01, 2018, 10:09:30 PM

OK I need help again!
When I used my Digitrax DT100 today, all the sudden the knobs started increasing 3 step at the time!!
I read the manual but couldn't find anything!
How can I make it back to 1 digit increment knobs?

Dats

Hi Dats, I've run into this before as well and I think you may have accidentally changed an option switch in your Zephyr?
If you're manuals are handy, Look in your Zephyr manual and see if there is an option switch that changes the Zephyr from 28/128 speed steps to 14 speed steps?


 
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: dats475 on October 01, 2018, 10:52:14 PM
Hi Rich

Thank and how are you doing, Rich?
Well, it fixed itself. I was pushing some buttons and somehow changed it back.  :hmmm:
I have no idea what happened.
I didn't touch Zephyr at all though.  :hmmm:
It seems like it doesn't have any logical explanation.
Then again, I normally don't have any logic while playing with trains either.
They use a lot of terminologies, like DT100 Primary option choice, Secondary option choice and Ballistic track(?)  ???

Anyway, a train is running around on a small oval track now.
So I'm a happy camper!  :claphappy:
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/69/5197-011018224512.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=69625)

Today, I carved the foam of a new section.
Please don't ask me what's going on.
I don't know it myself.
I haven't had a chance to buy a bag of Plaster yet.
In my mind, Plaster can fix everything.
See what happens..... :scowl:
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/69/5197-011018224610.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=69626)

Dats
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: Rich_S on October 02, 2018, 12:37:50 AM

In my mind, Plaster can fix everything.

Dats

Hi Dats, I like Sculptamold. Have you every tried Sculptamold? What I like about Sculptamold is it has some texture to it when it dries. Some people don't like that, but to my eye the ground is not smooth  :hmmm:

Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: Webbo on October 02, 2018, 12:57:56 AM
Hi Dats

You are showing good progress which is more than I can say about myself.

I second Rich's endorsement of Sculptamold. More expensive than plaster, but much less messy (especially clean-up) and easier to use than plaster. It sets more slowly than plaster so you can mould it before it dries. Brilliant stuff. Contrary to its name, I don't think Sculptamold is suitable for sculpting after it dries and plaster is better in rubber moulds..

Webbo
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A Low Tech layout.
Post by: dats475 on October 09, 2018, 10:14:51 PM
Hello

A tiny progress.
I haven't purchased plaster yet. But I had sparkling compound.
I don't know what is the difference so I used it.
Struggling is a right word for this situation.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/69/5197-091018221113.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=69940)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/69/5197-091018221217.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=69941)

Future of this project is unknown.

Dats
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: texhorse on October 10, 2018, 07:11:01 AM
My trip to the USA has put me out of balance!  When did you start an extention Dats?  I only just saw this!  Excellent!

Andy
UK
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A Low-tech layout.
Post by: dats475 on October 10, 2018, 07:21:37 PM
Hi Captain Andy!

I started this a couple of weeks ago or something like that.
As usual, I don't have a master plan or any fancy stuff.
I just went a hardware store for buying air filters and got more Sparkling compound too.
They had only huge bags for plaster and quite expensive for some reason.
Thus Speckling it is.
I'll mix with fine modelling sand. Also mix some colours as well.
Hopefully, it'll look like LA's dusty soil.
I still don't know the difference between plaster and sparkling compound.

I was watching your videos again last night, Andy.
How's Cascade?
I miss seeing your update video.

Dats
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: texhorse on October 10, 2018, 10:31:27 PM
I miss my videos too Dats.  Damn Youtube!!!!!

 :(

Andy
UK
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A Low-Tech layout.
Post by: dats475 on October 16, 2018, 06:02:53 PM
Hello

A tiny progress step.
Ground cover is on.
I painted 1st layer of ground cover area but I forgot to bring it to the track level.
So 2nd layer is on top of painted ground cover.
Probably I'll put 3rd layer where I need to fix the contour.
Most likely it wouldn't matter if I put on one more layer or not.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/70/5197-161018175803.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=70137)

My problem is that I don't remember how I constructed the scenery and colors.
 (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/70/5197-161018180103.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=70138)

Andy, any prospect of a new video?

Dats
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: texhorse on October 17, 2018, 06:41:47 PM
Dats, I really don't know if I'll ever be able to do another video.  I really don't like my videos when I do them all in one take, but I suppose it's better than nothing.

Leave it with me to think some more....

Andy
UK
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: Rich_S on October 18, 2018, 12:51:19 AM
Dats, I really don't know if I'll ever be able to do another video.  I really don't like my videos when I do them all in one take, but I suppose it's better than nothing.

Leave it with me to think some more....

Andy
UK

Hi Dats, What type of video editing software do you use? I've used Windows Live Movie Maker in the past to create some of the videos on the Long Valley Railroad.  My memory is not as good as it use to be, so you may have already answer this question Andy, but are you using a Windows based computer? or Apple?  Windows Movie Maker came installed on my Windows 7 computer.  I'm not going to say it's the best movie making software available, but the price was right for me "Free". Here are a couple of short videos I made with Windows 7 Movie Maker.





 
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: Webbo on October 18, 2018, 07:52:54 AM
Thanks for the vids Rich - look great.

And Andy, I encourage you to keep going with your movie making as they are much appreciated by me.

Webbo
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: Bealman on October 18, 2018, 07:56:34 AM
Agree with Webbo.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: dats475 on October 18, 2018, 02:38:20 PM
Hi guys.

My Holiday seasons start with Captain Andy's special video every years.
What would I do if I can't watch M&HRR holiday special?!
I'm lost, Andy! I'm lost!!
Please save my joyful season.

Rich, I've been using my daughter's iPod.
Everything done with iMovie app. Once I uploaded to YouTube, I would delete it because it doesn't have a big memory.

My layout progress is slow now.
I'm waiting for Spackle compound to cure.
It takes forever!!
I remember that it took me 6 weeks to make my extension road.
This time, I'm hoping that I can make it a little faster.

How are you doing, Bealman? Are you getting hot weather there or not yet?
Andy, please save me.

Dats
P.S. Webbo, where are you? Still in somewhere in USA?


Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: dats475 on October 19, 2018, 10:56:58 PM
Hello

I'm still working on plaster road.
I realized that the right side of slope is not tall enough for the adjoining yard section.
So I plastered for 3rd time.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/70/5197-191018224801.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=70263)

I'll sand it down and supposedly it will be a slope road.
Yes, It's hard to believe. I can't believe it myself.
See what happens.

Meantime I took a photo which titled "Excuse me, can you move  :censored: shipping carts?"
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/70/5197-191018225540.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=70264)

Dats
P.S. Andy, please save my holidays.


Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: Webbo on October 20, 2018, 04:26:50 AM
Hi Dats

Back in Oz now. Had a terrific visit to the US - 3 days in New York and 1 in Washington (D.C.).

What's going to happen to the shopping carts? Very good photo, nicely lit, good depth of field and exciting subject matter.

Webbo
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: Bealman on October 20, 2018, 06:13:44 AM
They'll probably end up at my bus stop  :D

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/59/255-121217231133.jpeg)
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: daffy on October 20, 2018, 06:31:28 AM
Are they waiting for a Trolleybus? :hmmm:

 :D

Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A Low Tech Layout.
Post by: dats475 on October 22, 2018, 05:08:58 PM
Hello

Yes, Bealman. My bus stop is getting crowded as well.
The bus stop is a deadly place, Bealman. Because the bus would never come.
I simply don't owned any N size bus....yet.
Only shapeways has a bus that appropriate for 80's LA bus. 🚌
And thy are really expensive!!!
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/70/5197-221018163447.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=70352)

I sanded and painted the road.
I used a lighter gray colour. Hopefully it'll be sun baked looking road when I finish.
I want to be a beaten-up back road that right next to a railroad track.
My rubbish plaster work is working well on this.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/70/5197-221018165018.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=70355)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/70/5197-221018165100.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=70356)
I'll fix it here and there and move on to finishing the ground cover.
I just looked pictures of the road from a couple of weeks ago. It looks like exactly same on the photos but I think it's improving a bit.....I think.... I hope.

Webbo, are you coming to US again soon?

Hi, Daffy. How are you doing? Thank you for visiting a Low Tech Layout thread.

By the way, what's the PCF competition on photo loading page? 
And how can I edit my first post? It doesn't let me change it.
My layout is not in a closet any more so I want to change the subtitle.

Dats
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: daffy on October 22, 2018, 05:47:36 PM
I’m fine thanks Dats. :thumbsup:  And low-tech layouts are right up my street.  :)

Or should that be right down my track? :hmmm:

The road looks good by the bus stop, which has a distinct air of a place ol’ Daffy would avoid!  :uneasy:
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A Low-tech layout.
Post by: dats475 on November 05, 2018, 08:08:01 PM
Hello

Yes, Daffy.
The area is full of aroma. Nice to have a bus model or two in the future.
But before that, I want to get more SP Hydra-Cushion cars.

My new little section hasn't seen any major progress.
Main reason is that I've been dealing with a bad lower back pain.
And dispite of that, my job's long schedule is eating up all my time now.
So all things combined, my laziness was kicking in automatically.

Today though, I'm running a train for awhile.
Also repainted the sidewalk and made some engine oil streaks.
I haven't paint the soil area yet.
My excuse is that today is a rainy day and I'm in sentimental mood. (My policy is "I don't paint the soil colour while I'm having a sentimental feeling".)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/71/5197-051118194635.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=71190)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/71/5197-051118194729.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=71191)

All cars are migrated from the yard and the Wash Industrial Lead.
I need to get late 70's cars to fill the parking spaces.

I'm not crazy about this section but maybe I can disguise it by putting a bunch of street signs.

Dats
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A Low-tech layout.
Post by: Rich_S on November 06, 2018, 12:32:13 AM

Main reason is that I've been dealing with a bad lower back pain.
And dispite of that, my job's long schedule is eating up all my time now.

Dats

Hi Dats, Sorry to hear about the long hours at work and your lower back paint, I've been there myself and it's not fun. As for the new section, I'm still trying to figure out what this new extension is suppose to be? I don't see any industrial tracks or yard tracks? What's it's purpose  :hmmm:
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: maridunian on November 06, 2018, 09:06:19 AM

My excuse is that today is a rainy day and I'm in sentimental mood. (My policy is "I don't paint the soil colour while I'm having a sentimental feeling".)

Rainy days and Mondays, eh? 🤔

Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: dats475 on November 06, 2018, 08:47:02 PM
Hi Mike
How are you doing?
Yes, it was Monday and was raining.
Today is Tuesday and still raining.
I got bored of being in a sentimental mood so I made street signs today.
Another one, a baby step.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/71/5197-061118202120.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=71210)
One of Stop sign flew out of desk and the rescue team (my two eyes) couldn't recover it.
 :doh:

Hi Rich
That's a hard question.
It's suppose to be a just scenery between the yard and a place where connect to mainline.
I just wanted to have a little distance between them.(What a luxury! I couldn't even think about it in a closet!!)
I tried to put an engine pocket on this extension but it was too short.
I don't have a master plan as usual, I'm not sure how it turns out. :scowl:
That's where the "Low-tech-ness" strikes again.
In distant future, I'd like to run long trains but I don't even know how long is a long train for me.
Please standby until I come up with something.

Dats


Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: Rich_S on November 07, 2018, 12:10:36 AM

Rainy days and Mondays, eh? 🤔

The voice of an angle, it's just a shame she's not still with us today.



OK back to talking about the Closet Branch  :D
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: Webbo on November 07, 2018, 01:50:44 AM
Great artist and song, Rich. Thanks

It is raining here in Canberra today. Decent rain has become a rare thing this year for us unfortunately. One of the best things that can happen is for it to pour.

Already we've had days into the 30's (Celsius that is) and it's not even summer yet. Bad news.

Webbo
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: Bealman on November 07, 2018, 02:49:19 AM
Raining here too.  :rain:
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A Low Tech Layout.
Post by: dats475 on November 08, 2018, 09:42:53 PM
Hello?

Test fit.
Everything temporary.
I put my Low Tech backdrop.

One of those a suspicious back street that located near the railroad track in some industrial area.
You don't want to hang around there after dark. :dighole:
Back street jive. :headbang:
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/71/5197-081118212148.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=71293)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/71/5197-081118212417.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=71295)

Hopefully I'm able to achieve LA's dusty sand feel a little more.
Connecting to the yard section would have a problem too. I need to redo the yard engine house area to match this short extension.
I made this frame by using a handsaw only and it has a slightly less depth than the yard. :scowl:
All in all, my Low-Tech-ness struck again!   :dunce: 

Dats :poop:


Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A Low Tech Layout.
Post by: Rich_S on November 08, 2018, 11:04:55 PM

([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/71/5197-081118212148.jpeg[/url]) ([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=71293[/url])
([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/71/5197-081118212417.jpeg[/url]) ([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=71295[/url])

Dats


Hi Dats, I think you've captured the sandy LA soil look very well.  I'm still trying to figure out how this new section fits in with the rest of the Closet Branch? Does it fit between the "Connecting Track" and the 119 switch?

Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: dats475 on November 22, 2018, 05:21:01 PM
 :hellosign:
Those who celebrate Thanksgiving, Happy Thanksgiving and happy and safe holidays.
 :food:
If it's a normal day for you then, :hellosign:  :headbang:
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/71/5197-221118171931.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=71722)

Dats
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: Rich_S on November 22, 2018, 07:01:03 PM
Those who celebrate Thanksgiving, Happy Thanksgiving and happy and safe holidays.
 
Dats

Hi Dats, Thank you for the Thanksgiving wishes. Here's wishing you and your family a safe and Happy Thanksgiving. As I type this I can tell you, Tom Turkey is already in the oven and the house is beginning to smell heavenly  :D

Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A Low-Tech Layout.
Post by: dats475 on December 13, 2018, 10:58:28 PM
Hello?

I've been rebuilding the benchwork of my Low-Tech Layout.
One more module to go.
I'm hoping that I can use black curtain skirt.
After that, I can start rebuilding the backdrop with my Low-Tech photos.
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/72/5197-131218224253.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=72193)

I'm using a miter box and a handsaw.
Yeah, the Old School!!  :headbang:
Man!! It takes forever to build!!!
And my arms are sore!!
I've been living in apartments and I don't own power tools. (I do have a power drill that doesn't have a speed control! Yeah the Old School!!  :headbang:)
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/72/5197-131218231110.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=72195)

You can see a tiny "extension of the yard will be" section.
I'll report it back to you again.

Happy holidays to everyone!!

Dats
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A Low-Tech Layout.
Post by: Rich_S on December 13, 2018, 11:34:33 PM
Hello?

I've been rebuilding the benchwork of my Low-Tech Layout.
One more module to go.
I'm hoping that I can use black curtain skirt.
After that, I can start rebuilding the backdrop with my Low-Tech photos.
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/72/5197-131218224253.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=72193)

I'm using a miter box and a handsaw.
Yeah, the Old School!!  :headbang:

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/72/5197-131218231110.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=72195)

Happy holidays to everyone!!

Dats

Dats, The new bench work looks great. One thing about building the bench work using "Old School" tools, you're getting lots of exercise  :smiley-laughing: Wishing you and your family a very Merry Christmas and a Safe and Happy New Year  :foodanddrink: 
Title: Re: The Closet Branch - A layout in my closet.
Post by: Webbo on December 14, 2018, 12:54:24 AM
Hi Dats

Nothing wrong with Old Tech as long as you keep your tools sharp. Less likely to lose a finger with Old Tech also.

I've got a Mitre box that looks to be the same as yours, but even using it, getting square cuts is a hit or miss affair for me.

Happy Xmas season from me to everyone too.

N-N-N as Dats would say
Webbo