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Title: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society
Post by: Milton Rail on December 01, 2015, 03:46:59 PM
Thought I should move this to the construction topic

This is B769316 (the eventual home of the PRPS) on the move again in Aug 2014 after humble period of service as a livestock shelter (and occasional youth hangout going by the graffiti inside)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/11/thumb_32502.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=32502)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on December 01, 2015, 05:17:21 PM
The PRPS HQ has landed!

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/11/thumb_32503.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=32503)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: austinbob on December 01, 2015, 05:22:18 PM
The PRPS HQ has landed!
That looks like a major project in itself!!  - Is it in your back garden or is that picture taken somewhere else?
 :hmmm: :beers:
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on December 01, 2015, 06:54:08 PM
Your not wrong Bob!  We are fortunate to have a small paddock behind us (and don't have horses) ..... the benevolent landowner (the better half) has granted a life time lease  :beers:
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on December 02, 2015, 01:43:11 PM
After a long summer of removing all the timbers (I have kept some with a view to making something from them) removing about 45kg of bolts & rivets, all the rust banged off (literally) and then a rust proofing & coat of paint on the inside surfaces - the volunteers of the PRPS got the HQ to this stage (the blacksmith had been too, and done some preliminary patching... unfortunately he did not volunteer his services... ££££££)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/11/thumb_32505.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=32505)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on December 02, 2015, 01:54:36 PM
Blacksmith visit number two saw the missing hinge on the nearest door replaced, the bent diagonal refitted & some of the other bumps and scrapes straightened out. Also managed to get the bashed in vents straightened out by a kindly panel beater

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/11/thumb_32506.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=32506)

Just have to turn this lot into a 1956 12T Goods Van .... model building in a 1:1 ratio :)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/11/thumb_32507.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=32507)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on December 02, 2015, 01:59:17 PM
How she stands as of now (promise I will post a few model railway construction pics next)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/11/thumb_32508.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=32508)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on December 03, 2015, 09:02:13 PM
A key component of the layout will be the refinery - I have put together one kit, the Walthers North Island Refinery (wanted to type Long Island there!)

Will post the pictures I took along the way to show the construction - was not the easiest kit, with the vague exploded diagrams testing my fading eyesight!

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/11/thumb_32489.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=32489)

Those valve handles were a test (to both paint & set)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/11/thumb_32501.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=32501)

had to get creative with a Farish Loco box lid

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/11/thumb_32498.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=32498)

Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Newportnobby on December 03, 2015, 09:16:17 PM
Yikes! :goggleeyes:
Rather you than me, Gunga Din
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Mr PJ on December 03, 2015, 10:13:37 PM
I didn't know you could get Grangemouth refinery in kit form ;)

A very nice "shed" for the layout, a preservation scheme in itself really...


Cheers,
Paul
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on December 04, 2015, 10:25:14 PM
Thanks NewportNobby & Mr PJ - I spent my early career at Grangemouth, so the eventual customer of the PRPS will bear some resemblance (the rusting façade mainly!)

and yes, the shed will be a real labour of love!

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/11/thumb_32488.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=32488)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/11/thumb_32485.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=32485)

Thought I had better put the site manager on walkabout before I complete the piping

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/11/thumb_32496.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=32496)

Prototypical rusting!

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/11/thumb_32492.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=32492)


Cheers,
Andrew

Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Lawrence on December 05, 2015, 10:56:00 AM
Refinery looks great as does the wagon Andrew, prior to Dad moving to Kirkcaldy he was assistant Harbour master at Grangemouth, we were living in Stenhousemuir then.
Hope the wagon is well wrapped up for the winter, 'twas a bit blowy last night  :worried:
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on December 05, 2015, 11:24:39 AM
Hi Lawrence,

I spent many a night driving down through the docks (on legitimate business!) to collect samples from the coastal tankers - good times.  Thanks for the feedback on the refinery, I am pleased with how this bit came out.

Cheers,
Andrew
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on December 05, 2015, 11:28:50 AM
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/11/thumb_32499.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=32499)

I suppose Grangemouth was nice & shiny once upon a time too!

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/11/thumb_32500.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=32500)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on December 05, 2015, 08:20:39 PM
My first serious attempts at weathering in a long while

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/11/thumb_32495.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=32495)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/11/thumb_32494.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=32494)

The inspectors are going to be busy on this installation

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/11/thumb_32493.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=32493)

Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on December 05, 2015, 08:49:21 PM
You can always rely on one operator to put the bins out!

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/11/thumb_32491.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=32491)

Had to improvise on the vortex breakers on the stack!

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/11/thumb_32490.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=32490)

Even the most cost conscious operators sub contract the drains maintenance out!

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/11/thumb_32487.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=32487)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on December 06, 2015, 09:04:43 AM
Couple more views

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/11/thumb_32486.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=32486)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/11/thumb_32483.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=32483)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Chris in Prague on December 06, 2015, 10:54:17 AM
That's a very impressive refinery. Very different from rural North Cornwall but I do have some 1950s and 1960s era petrol / oil tankers . . .
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on December 06, 2015, 03:56:50 PM
Another scenic point is to plan a Woodham's-esque scrap yard - I have a few Del Prado static loco's lined up as candidate

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/11/thumb_32516.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=32516)

{hoping I have got the picture insertion correct now so I don't get any more admonishments from the moderators  :-[ }
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Lawrence on December 06, 2015, 03:57:42 PM
Really produced an excellent scene there Andrew, weathering looks very nice  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on December 06, 2015, 08:04:13 PM
Thanks Lawrence

4MT is up 1st for a trial treatment

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/11/thumb_32515.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=32515)

Had to removed the perfect coal load from the tender 1st - easier said than done on some Del Prado's!  More on that later!  (you can see the chunk of metal that had to be removed from the 4MT tender in the background)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/11/thumb_32513.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=32513)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: N-Gauge-US on December 06, 2015, 08:09:56 PM
What a wonderful project!  :greatpicturessign: I wish my layout had so appropriate a home! Currently it is in a spare "walk-in" closet with the water heater!
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on December 06, 2015, 09:49:52 PM
That's a very impressive refinery. Very different from rural North Cornwall but I do have some 1950s and 1960s era petrol / oil tankers . . .

Thanks Chris, having seen your work, that compliment means a lot

Once I get "moved in" to the railway room, will start thinning out some of my oil tankers (have a range from the 50's/60's BP-Shell through to the big 100tne modern ones) - while I have given myself the latitude of a preserved railway background, will focus mainly on LNER steamers (though do have a soft spot for the Deltic & Class 47.. & the class 20 & 08... ok, so maybe a softspot for the earlier diesel loco's and the HST 125!)  What can I say.. child of the 80's  :laugh:
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Chris in Prague on December 07, 2015, 08:59:41 AM
Thank you, Andrew. So far, I really have done little scenic or building work but have plans to do a lot more at Cant Cove.

Running oil tanker trains from your refinery, over a preserved line, would be quite realistic. I have Shell, BP, and Esso four-wheeled tanker wagons form the 1950s and 1960s and, I think, being common, quite a few others do, too.

Your preserved line can, easily, have a selection of BR Green diesels and IC125's can visit on special trains, of course.

Once you have the home for your layout complete I will look forward to seeing your layout develop.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Newportnobby on December 07, 2015, 11:02:57 AM
I have Shell, BP, and Esso four-wheeled tanker wagons form the 1950s and 1960s and, I think, being common, quite a few others do, too.


Hey - an oik I may be but common? Nah ;)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on December 07, 2015, 11:10:03 AM
What a wonderful project!  :greatpicturessign: I wish my layout had so appropriate a home! Currently it is in a spare "walk-in" closet with the water heater!

It was a very lucky find & in pretty good condition for its age - don't think there will be much progress on it until the spring..... the Scottish winter is setting in!

Your space will be warm at least :)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on December 07, 2015, 11:15:22 AM
My memory has gone, forgot what the paint I used was (humbrol enamel I think)  but this is the 4MT rapidly surrendering to the elements

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/11/thumb_32511.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=32511)

Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Newportnobby on December 07, 2015, 11:16:34 AM
Probably the best thing that could happen to Del Prados >:D
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on December 07, 2015, 11:38:48 AM
Probably the best thing that could happen to Del Prados >:D


You'll like this picture then :)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/11/thumb_32514.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=32514)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on December 19, 2015, 12:39:05 AM
Don't know where the time goes!  PRPS has been busy behind the scenes though - a fully restored J39 0-6-0 is the society's latest offering and has been turned out in lined LNER black - photo's to follow and the local industries have been hard at work developing new oil filed pumps - the society have also received a large quantity of buildings from Japan, these will be used to expand the refinery and provide some much needed living quarters for the oil field workers
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Chris in Prague on December 19, 2015, 09:28:06 AM
I'm looking forward to the latest updates. Once the oil refinery is up to full production, perhaps we can see some rakes of oil tanker wagons (of various epochs?).

Plans are already being discussed, in Cornwall, for an enthusiasts' special train (if not BR Maroon Mark 1s, maybe Gresley-designed stock in BR Lined Maroon?), with full catering on board, of course, next summer, to run to Perthshire with an overnight stop in the West Midlands. The members of the Cornish Loco. Preservation Group and the Great Western Society are keen to see something different. They have invited their colleagues from the Mid-Somerset Preservation Society to join them. The Alliance of West Country Breweries are going to send samples of their most popular ales plus "Sam's Cider" from Somerset with the train (naturally, with supplies for the passengers, too) and are hoping to negotiate a sampling visit and a trading agreement with a local malt whisky distillery.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on December 22, 2015, 10:53:40 PM
Thanks Chris, there is some growing excitement within the PRPS about the prospect of some railtours south to sample some outstanding local brews... has been a busy time here at the HQ with xmas rota's and visiting dignitaries - photo updates imminent!
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on December 22, 2015, 11:23:18 PM
As part of the xmas clean up of the PRPS stock (in preparation for the big move in 2016) the yard master has unearthed a rogue van at the back of the yard and is in need of help in routing it back to its home base..... it is seen here being marshalled by the diesel groups cherished class 47 (47710) "Sir Walter Scott" seen here in her Scotrail Livery - any help in where the van should be sent would be gratefully received (Jock the shunter thought it had come from the south west somewhere, but the decorated yardmaster gave his opinion little credit)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/10/thumb_33274.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=33274)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on December 22, 2015, 11:27:33 PM
A final look at how the new PRPS HQ looks at the end of 2105 (am hoping for a roof & walls by this time next year!

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/10/thumb_33261.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=33261)

Carpenter has delivered the curved roof beam  :claphappy:

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/10/thumb_33260.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=33260)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on December 22, 2015, 11:30:02 PM
The local oil exploration company (just going through a merger, so new name not yet announced) has announced the commencement of a new prospect & associated oil pump construction

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/10/thumb_33253.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=33253)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: oil2435 on December 23, 2015, 12:42:07 AM
hi
that's a great job on the modelling, and man what a great place your going to have when finished. hope you've got it anchored though. looking forward to more updates
cheers bob
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Newportnobby on December 23, 2015, 10:50:37 AM
A final look at how the new PRPS HQ looks at the end of 2105 (am hoping for a roof & walls by this time next year!


Sadly there won't be many of us around to see the end result of this long term project :no:
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Mito on December 23, 2015, 05:44:46 PM
A final look at how the new PRPS HQ looks at the end of 2105 (am hoping for a roof & walls by this time next year!


Sadly there won't be many of us around to see the end result of this long term project :no:

Think positive. At least you'll be able to look down on it  :angel: if that's the direction you've been sent in  >:D  :laugh:
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Chris in Prague on December 23, 2015, 08:28:07 PM
As part of the xmas clean up of the PRPS stock (in preparation for the big move in 2016) the yard master has unearthed a rogue van at the back of the yard and is in need of help in routing it back to its home base..... it is seen here being marshalled by the diesel groups cherished class 47 (47710) "Sir Walter Scott" seen here in her Scotrail Livery - any help in where the van should be sent would be gratefully received (Jock the shunter thought it had come from the south west somewhere, but the decorated yardmaster gave his opinion little credit)

([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/10/thumb_33274.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=33274[/url])


Many thanks for the updates. The green van looks very much like a couple (but in faded BR Crimson) used in Cornwall to transport edible seaweed from Port Perran to Cant Cove for use in the kitchen of "The Station Hotel". They are old (GNR?) Ventilated Fish Vans, long since replaced by BR SWB Insulated Vans and more modern LWB Insul Fish vans. I would not be surprised though if someone, in Cornwall, had painted one in SR or BR SR Green! It's certainly a long way from home!

Railtours next year look a distinct possibility. There is still time for a New Year special. 8-)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on December 25, 2015, 12:43:09 AM
Thought I recognised the colour scheme   :) I have a real mixture of rolling stock, some Pullmans, a couple of SR coaches, a few LMS maroon, a bevy of LNER teak plus blood & custards and BR blue grey's, will try and get some photos up between now & new year of the stock I have to see what is possible regarding a railrour 😄. On that note, Merry Christmas!
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Chris in Prague on December 25, 2015, 11:27:28 AM
Thought I recognised the colour scheme   :) I have a real mixture of rolling stock, some Pullmans, a couple of SR coaches, a few LMS maroon, a bevy of LNER teak plus blood & custards and BR blue grey's, will try and get some photos up between now & new year of the stock I have to see what is possible regarding a railrour 😄. On that note, Merry Christmas!

That sounds good. I have some Pullmans (as does John, Claverdon), I have both types; plus BR Blue & Grey Mark 1s. Whilst I have Stanier and Gresley designed coaches they are all in BR Maroon plus I have a lot of BR Mark 1s in BR Maroon to go with them. My BR Crimson & Cream coaches are Bulleid and Hawksworth designs plus Mark 1s. I also have a GWR livery Hawksworth and GF generic mainline and suburban coaches in various liveries. I'll look forward to some photos. of your coaching stock in due course. Your Class 47 in ScotRail livery looks very fine. Next year will 'be' 1965, when the WR named some of its Brush Type 4s and I plan to have my model of D1662 "Isambard Kingdom Brunel", back from DCC-fitting at Wickness Models so that it can work special trains. It could work through to Perthshire, I'm sure and then hand over its train to local motive power. 8-)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on December 26, 2015, 10:42:14 PM
I got the Scotrail liveried class 47 at the show in Perth this year, runs beautifully on DC, but was jerky on DCC... so I swapped it back to DC for a bit, and fitted the chip again and it is not showing any sign of life... the J39 is the same, beautifully smooth & slow speeds on DC....but jerky & poor running on DCC (sure it must just be the settings but not had time to test different settings)

I have a nice example of the class 47 in two tone green, D1505 - will get it DCC'd this coming year :)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Chris in Prague on December 27, 2015, 10:42:38 AM
Sorry to read about your DCC problems. I'm sure someone on the DCC section of the forum would be able to help. I can only imagine that there is some problem with the track or an incompatibility between your DCC controller and the chip(s) used?

D1505 was one of the Brush Type 4s used on the East Coast line so could have reached Perth? The model of D1505 would be easy to renumber and fit nameplates to to make one of the WR's named locos. for anyone interested. (I had to pay for my model of D1662 to be reliveried into BR two-tone green.)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on January 06, 2016, 01:27:20 PM
After a long lay off over Xmas & NY... am back at work & have some time to draw breath & provide an update!

Construction of the new oil pump progressed over the xmas period (in between periods of extreme rain fall!)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/10/thumb_33254.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=33254)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Chris in Prague on January 06, 2016, 01:35:36 PM
Looking forward to the updates. Happy New Year!
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on January 06, 2016, 01:38:28 PM
Nice kit to work on ... very delicate though!  Don't think I will be motorising this one!

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/10/thumb_33255.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=33255)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on January 06, 2016, 01:40:32 PM
Looking forward to the updates. Happy New Year!

Happy New Year to you too Chris, I have a stack of photos of the PRPS motive power collection & passenger rolling stock to share
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Chris in Prague on January 06, 2016, 01:46:24 PM
Looking forward to the updates. Happy New Year!

Happy New Year to you too Chris, I have a stack of photos of the PRPS motive power collection & passenger rolling stock to share

Thank you. I'm really looking forward to seeing those photos.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on January 06, 2016, 06:01:30 PM
Here is the older work horse of the yet-to-be-named oil exploration company, this one is motorised & looks pretty neat when it is running (I had it fitted as part of my last layout)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/10/thumb_33273.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=33273)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Chris in Prague on January 06, 2016, 06:12:48 PM
That already looks very good. It just needs some weathering to make up for the shiny plastic finish and bring it up to the very high standard of your other work. 8-)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on January 07, 2016, 10:52:38 AM
Components ready for assembly

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/10/thumb_33256.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=33256)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on January 07, 2016, 10:54:45 AM
This was the easy bit!

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/10/thumb_33257.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=33257)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Chris in Prague on January 07, 2016, 11:02:03 AM
Looking very good. Thanks for the update photos.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on January 07, 2016, 04:06:23 PM
This was my 3rd rig up to try and join the 3 very delicate (and one tiny) components together without glue preventing the joint from rotating.... another "all hail" for Blu-Tack!

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/9/thumb_33828.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=33828)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Chris in Prague on January 07, 2016, 04:13:04 PM
Blu-Tack is indeed wonderful. Alas, I have not seen it on sale, here.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on January 07, 2016, 04:24:10 PM
 ::)
Blu-Tack is indeed wonderful. Alas, I have not seen it on sale, here.

Maybe a pack could find its way into the guard compartment on the inaugural railtour from Perthshire  :)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on January 07, 2016, 04:30:42 PM
The almost finished article.... needs the wireline etc. attached... but will wait until it has a plentiful oilfield to tap into before I do that... and also needs to get the weathering treatment

.... and it does fully rotate.... but it feels too delicate to entrust that to motorisation.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/9/thumb_33886.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=33886)

(Apologies for the poor lighting, the room I currently use is a bit on the dark side & the flash on the camera is too severe)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Chris in Prague on January 07, 2016, 05:45:02 PM
Very nice work. One of the "Castle Estates" LWB SR design Ferry Wagons and / or double bolster timber carrying wagons may well be worked to Inverness to pick up some especially fine logs! 8-)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on January 07, 2016, 07:33:28 PM
Some long negotiations with a former director of Nabisco who rescued this coach when the Welwyn Garden City site closed in 2008 led to it's donation to the PRPS for use as an engineers base

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/10/thumb_33258.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=33258)

The new recipients have eagerly embarked on its refurbishment

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/10/thumb_33259.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=33259)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Chris in Prague on January 07, 2016, 07:49:19 PM
Very nice. I had two of these little coaches. One in GWR livery (hand-painted quite well) and another which underwent the grey undercoat then light blue (for "Castle Estates" -- used on the branch line) spray painting treatment. I look forward to seeing how yours ends up.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on January 07, 2016, 07:54:27 PM
The new year has heralded in the annual roll call of PRPS motive power to assess what maintenance will be required in order to keep everything running smoothly, especially with the prospect of some loco's making a long haul south this year to Cant Cove and beyond

1st up is the 3 class 47's - running numbers 47594 in Rail Freight Red, D1505 in 2 tone Green & 47710 "Sir Walter Scott" in Scotrail livery (only this one is DCC so far)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/9/thumb_33818.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=33818)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on January 07, 2016, 08:00:48 PM
Here we have (from L to R): B17 "Barnsley"; V2 "Coldstreamer"; A1 "Tornado" - PRPS have been lucky enough to house this cracker over the winter ahead of her 2016 mainline steam schedule :)  The only one not yet DCC is the V2 as I cannot for the life of me work out how to get the body off!

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/9/thumb_33819.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=33819)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on January 07, 2016, 08:03:27 PM
3 of the workhorses of the yard - none of which are DCC

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/9/thumb_33820.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=33820)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on January 07, 2016, 08:10:34 PM
Some of the stars of the collection - the A4's Mallard & Sir Nigel Gresley (on loan from the national collection and the Sir Nigel Gresley Locomotive Trust Ltd) as well as A2 532 "Blue Peter" (in need of a good clean!).  Only the A4's are DCC at the moment (the A2 runs with a bit of a limp)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/9/thumb_33821.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=33821)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on January 07, 2016, 08:13:19 PM
Completing the "A" line up, A3 4472 is also making an appearance here alongside the J39 & 8F 3107 (only the J39 is DCC)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/9/thumb_33822.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=33822)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Chris in Prague on January 07, 2016, 08:39:58 PM
That is indeed a very fine collection with plenty of candidates to haul through enthusiasts' specials at various time periods. D1505 could take over from my D1662 (which is a priority for DCC fitting this Spring) on a special from Cornwall. (Two portions will be combined at Wadebridge.)

Next up your coaches? 8-)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: cornish yorkie on January 08, 2016, 12:17:16 AM
 :hellosign:   :greatpicturessign:  thanks for sharing.
regards Derek.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: N-Gauge-US on January 08, 2016, 12:58:12 AM
Completing the "A" line up, A3 4472 is also making an appearance here alongside the J39 & 8F 3107 (only the J39 is DCC)

([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/9/thumb_33822.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=33822[/url])


Lovely photos, as always :) What are he engines sitting on? They look like the DelPrado display bases. I'd love to have some of whatever those are kicking around for when I've got several locos out to play ;)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on January 08, 2016, 07:23:17 AM
Completing the "A" line up, A3 4472 is also making an appearance here alongside the J39 & 8F 3107 (only the J39 is DCC)

([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/9/thumb_33822.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=33822[/url])


Lovely photos, as always :) What are he engines sitting on? They look like the DelPrado display bases. I'd love to have some of whatever those are kicking around for when I've got several locos out to play ;)


Morning, you are correct, they are the Del Prado bases, I have amassed a few of those over the years and am using a few of the british outline ones to form a Barry-esque scrap yard scene on the layout - so I had a few spare bases.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on January 08, 2016, 07:25:26 AM
That is indeed a very fine collection with plenty of candidates to haul through enthusiasts' specials at various time periods. D1505 could take over from my D1662 (which is a priority for DCC fitting this Spring) on a special from Cornwall. (Two portions will be combined at Wadebridge.)

Next up your coaches? 8-)

Thanks Chris, coaches are coming soon :)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on January 08, 2016, 07:27:44 AM
3 of the hard working steam shunters

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/9/thumb_33823.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=33823)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Chris in Prague on January 08, 2016, 07:31:28 AM
That is indeed a very fine collection with plenty of candidates to haul through enthusiasts' specials at various time periods. D1505 could take over from my D1662 (which is a priority for DCC fitting this Spring) on a special from Cornwall. (Two portions will be combined at Wadebridge.)

Next up your coaches? 8-)

Thanks Chris, coaches are coming soon :)

Thanks. I look forward to that. Next month, D1662 will go to the head of the queue for DCC fitting.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on January 08, 2016, 07:47:04 AM
The ever popular Deltic & a pair of Class 20's

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/9/thumb_33824.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=33824)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on January 08, 2016, 07:51:15 AM
Caledonian Railway is represented by 375, 4-4-0 tender loco & a kit built N2 & a rescued NCB pug (found languishing in a siding at the Kinneil Colliery when it closed in the mid 1980's) - none of these are DCC & a bit of journalistic licence on the NCB pug back story :)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/9/thumb_33825.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=33825)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on January 08, 2016, 07:54:30 AM
An LNER black Q3 0-8-0 alongside a 4MT & LMS maroon 4F(?)


(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/9/thumb_33826.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=33826)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Chris in Prague on January 08, 2016, 07:59:44 AM
I'm a big fan of the BR Standard 4MT 2-6-4Ts so it's very nice to see you have one, also. I  have one DCC-fitted, here, one (non-DCC fitted) on loan to Trepol Bay (for DCC fitting later this year) and another awaiting DCC-fitting (it will be a long time). I need a few to run the last pre-dieselisation working timetable.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on January 08, 2016, 08:00:38 AM
A hard working class 5 in BR black, shown here with a duplicate LNER shunter (maybe a candidate for a conversion/repaint & Re-number) + an Ivatt 2F in need of some repair!

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/9/thumb_33827.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=33827)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on January 08, 2016, 08:07:12 AM
The PRPS has a humble, but growing collection of DMU's, the current stock are these three, which includes one in Strathclyde Passenger Transport livery.  More are on the way though following some successful bidding :)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/9/thumb_33833.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=33833)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on January 08, 2016, 08:22:49 AM
Bringing up the rear of the collection is a couple more 4F's (I think) and an LMS shunter which is a non-runner & may find itself "scrapped"

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/9/thumb_33834.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=33834)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on January 08, 2016, 08:42:02 AM
I'm a big fan of the BR Standard 4MT 2-6-4Ts so it's very nice to see you have one, also. I  have one DCC-fitted, here, one (non-DCC fitted) on loan to Trepol Bay (for DCC fitting later this year) and another awaiting DCC-fitting (it will be a long time). I need a few to run the last pre-dieselisation working timetable.

Wholeheartedly agree, lovely loco - are they relatively straightforward to convert?
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Chris in Prague on January 08, 2016, 09:00:00 AM
I'm a big fan of the BR Standard 4MT 2-6-4Ts so it's very nice to see you have one, also. I  have one DCC-fitted, here, one (non-DCC fitted) on loan to Trepol Bay (for DCC fitting later this year) and another awaiting DCC-fitting (it will be a long time). I need a few to run the last pre-dieselisation working timetable.

Wholeheartedly agree, lovely loco - are they relatively straightforward to convert?

I think the 6 figure SKU numbers (as opposed to the earlier four figure SKU ones) are easier to convert (from what Douglas at Wickness Models has told me). The one that I had DCC-converted is one of those later versions, as is the second one on loan to Trepol Bay. (I sold a four-figure one which it replaced.)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Chris in Prague on January 08, 2016, 09:01:19 AM
A nice collection of DMUs. I saw the ex-Glasgow orange Class 101s at Manchester Piccadilly shortly before their withdrawal.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on January 08, 2016, 12:02:35 PM
Now it is the rolling stocks turn to undergo its annual inspection - first up is the Pullman set (there used to be a few more, but duplicates, so I sold a them a while back)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/9/thumb_33836.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=33836)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on January 08, 2016, 12:07:09 PM
Here we have the LMS mainline stock

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/9/thumb_33837.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=33837)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on January 08, 2016, 12:09:24 PM
The PRPS also has a rake of LNER Mainline coaches

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/9/thumb_33838.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=33838)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on January 08, 2016, 12:11:08 PM
.....and a suburban set (although the yard master has let a mainline coach slip in)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/9/thumb_33839.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=33839)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on January 08, 2016, 12:13:42 PM
A nice set to run with CR loco 375

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/9/thumb_33840.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=33840)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on January 08, 2016, 12:15:20 PM
Class 47 in rail freight red also has a nice set of complementary coaches

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/9/thumb_33841.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=33841)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on January 08, 2016, 12:18:00 PM
Other regions/era's are also represented

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/9/thumb_33842.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=33842)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/9/thumb_33843.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=33843)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/9/thumb_33846.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=33846)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on January 08, 2016, 12:24:25 PM
To round off the motive power inspections, the HST's are last through the hands of the inspection team

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/9/thumb_33844.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=33844)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on January 08, 2016, 12:26:41 PM
As well as the running locomotives, the PRPS also have some long term restoration projects, which might require some external help!

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/9/thumb_33845.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=33845)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on January 08, 2016, 01:00:33 PM
Another survivor from the previous PRPS home - will undergo a bit more weathering when the new home is established

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/9/thumb_33884.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=33884)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Chris in Prague on January 08, 2016, 01:35:35 PM
That is a very impressive collection of coaches, Andrew, including a very nice set of Mark 1 Pullmans; I have some of these, too. So a Mark 1 Pullman special behind D1662 which will be replaced by your BR Green Class 47 would be possible with the BR SR Green Mark 1 BCK you have (I have all the second and third generation ones). I think I have / will have the SR lined out green non-corridor coach, too, which could be added as a CLPG preserved coach. (The portion from Trepol Bay could be the SR BCK and preserved coach?)

I don't have any of the Lima Mark 1 coaches but Brian (Mito) does so he can send and receive a special made up of BR Maroon and mock 'Great Western' ones. I see that you have one of the rare Minitrix Crimson & Cream Mark 1 coaches. (Whenever I bid for any the price goes too high.)

Instead of Lima BR Maroon and BR Crimson & Cream Mark 1s, I have similar Graham Farish and Minitrix ones.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Chris in Prague on January 08, 2016, 01:45:56 PM
The goods shed will look very good, Andrew, but with some light weathering to make it look even more realistic. However, being preserved, I'm sure it would be kept in very good condition.

Those poor Bulleid Light Pacifics will certainly need some attention. If you have the original chassis it might be worth posting it / them off to Bob of BRLines for an assessment and an estimate of the cost of restoring them and preparing them for DCC fitting (Bob will prepare them but does not do DCC fitting).

If you get one restored mechanically and electrically it looks like the BR Green one will need relining at least. It looks like either "Hurricane" which Martin (Trepol Bay) and I have (mine is DCC-fitted) or "Spitfire" which is also due for DCC fitting this Spring. You can also buy replacement metal nameplates (I have still to fit mine) which will improve the looks. You could go further with replacement bogies and added detailing packs (which I also have but have not used.) The preserved Bulleid Light Pacific might also be worth detailing. But latest standard Bulleid Light Pacifics are due, this year, from, I think Graham Farish by Bachmann.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on January 08, 2016, 03:39:04 PM
Thanks for the feedback, I have temporarily mis-laid the chassis's but know I have them, my parts boxes are a bit scattered, and I had to pack up over xmas & NY to allow alternative use of the room :)

Thanks for the advice re: potential source of repairs, will keep that in mind

The numbers on the Bulleids are 34066 & 21017 (I think it is a O between 21 & 17 as it is partly removed... don't think it is 21617) ... I guiltily admit I had them as potential candidates for my scrapyard scene!
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Chris in Prague on January 08, 2016, 04:32:18 PM
Thanks for the feedback, I have temporarily mis-laid the chassis's but know I have them, my parts boxes are a bit scattered, and I had to pack up over xmas & NY to allow alternative use of the room :)

Thanks for the advice re: potential source of repairs, will keep that in mind

The numbers on the Bulleids are 34066 & 21017 (I think it is a O between 21 & 17 as it is partly removed... don't think it is 21617) ... I guiltily admit I had them as potential candidates for my scrapyard scene!

Whether they avoid appearing in your scrapyard really depends on how much you're willing to spend on these two loco. models and how useful they would be repaired, Andrew. You (or Bob at BRLines) might be able to make one good one out of the two and then you could put the worst one in your scrapyard? I think it will be 21C107 or 21C117 (Bulleid's unusual numbering scheme). If your 34066 "Spitfire" is worth restoring it could run 'through' once I get mine DCC fitted in a couple of months.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on January 08, 2016, 06:46:27 PM
Good advice Chris, thanks for that, you certainly know your rolling stock too, I would never have known that was a rare coach. 
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Chris in Prague on January 08, 2016, 07:09:02 PM
Good advice Chris, thanks for that, you certainly know your rolling stock too, I would never have known that was a rare coach.

My pleasure, Andrew. I have learnt a lot from others, especially on this forum, as well as experience. I'm very fond of the Minitrix Mark 1 coaches and have them in every livery except BR Crimson & Cream. I even have two of the even rarer BR SR Green ones but they are both BCKs. I am still looking for a CK and may even respray one which has a body with the BR Maroon paint damaged. (The SR coaches don't have lining so I would only need transfers for roundels and numbers.)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: PeterA on January 09, 2016, 01:32:27 AM
The numbers on the Bulleids are 34066 & 21017 (I think it is a O between 21 & 17 as it is partly removed... don't think it is 21617) ... I guiltily admit I had them as potential candidates for my scrapyard scene!
SR numbering was 21 "C" and then the loco number...

Quote
Southern Railway

Livery was Southern Railway malachite green with "Sunshine yellow" horizontal lining. A circular cast brass plate with a red background on the smokebox door featured the word "Southern" and the date of manufacture. Bulleid advocated a continental style of numbering, basing this upon his experiences at the French branch of Westinghouse Electric before the First World War, and his tenure in the rail operating department during that conflict. The Southern Railway number adapted the UIC classification system where "2" and "1" refer to the number of un-powered leading and trailing axles respectively, and "C" refers to the number of driving axles, in this case three. However, since "21C" was the prefix already used by the Merchant Navy class, the suffix "1" was added; these locomotives carried numbers that started "21C1" followed by the individual two-digit identifier.

Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on January 09, 2016, 09:46:10 AM
The numbers on the Bulleids are 34066 & 21017 (I think it is a O between 21 & 17 as it is partly removed... don't think it is 21617) ... I guiltily admit I had them as potential candidates for my scrapyard scene!
SR numbering was 21 "C" and then the loco number...

Quote
Southern Railway

Livery was Southern Railway malachite green with "Sunshine yellow" horizontal lining. A circular cast brass plate with a red background on the smokebox door featured the word "Southern" and the date of manufacture. Bulleid advocated a continental style of numbering, basing this upon his experiences at the French branch of Westinghouse Electric before the First World War, and his tenure in the rail operating department during that conflict. The Southern Railway number adapted the UIC classification system where "2" and "1" refer to the number of un-powered leading and trailing axles respectively, and "C" refers to the number of driving axles, in this case three. However, since "21C" was the prefix already used by the Merchant Navy class, the suffix "1" was added; these locomotives carried numbers that started "21C1" followed by the individual two-digit identifier.

Thanks for the extra context, the numbering history of loco's seems a bit odd now and again... I had to do a double take when I was looking at the footage of the "Flying Scotsman" yesterday with the number 103 - I have a photo of the cab and with the new info provided by you guys, it is 21C17 - making it Merchant Navy class "Belgian Marine"
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Chris in Prague on January 09, 2016, 10:38:29 AM
I believe that 4472 "Flying Scotsman" was renumbered in late LNER days as 103; hence, it becoming BR No. 60103.

I must admit that I did not notice that the 2nd Bulleid Pacific was a "Merchant Navy". As there is already a new much improved (detailing) "MN" available from Graham Farish by Bachmann you might want to use it as a scrapyard loco. and 'restore' "Spitfire" instead, Andrew?
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on January 09, 2016, 11:06:21 AM
I believe that 4472 "Flying Scotsman" was renumbered in late LNER days as 103; hence, it becoming BR No. 60103.

I must admit that I did not notice that the 2nd Bulleid Pacific was a "Merchant Navy". As there is already a new much improved (detailing) "MN" available from Graham Farish by Bachmann you might want to use it as a scrapyard loco. and 'restore' "Spitfire" instead, Andrew?

Thanks Chris, that might be a better plan as I think there will only be enough bits for one chassis (from memory)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on January 09, 2016, 11:08:12 AM
I am a big fan (& former volunteer back in the 80's) of the Bo'Ness & Kinneil Railway and saw this wee scene on a visit there a few years back (Sept '08 ... where does the time go!)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/9/thumb_33971.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=33971)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on January 09, 2016, 11:11:10 AM
..... so, as PRPS is loosely based on the SRPS (I am thinking I might try & recreate part of the station at Bo'Ness for one of the stations) - I thought I might try and recreate this scene in the loco yard

..... enter one 3D printed boiler

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/9/thumb_33847.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=33847)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on January 09, 2016, 11:14:12 AM
I found an old lead container a perfect fit into the firebox!

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/9/thumb_33848.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=33848)

Only managed to get one coat on it so far, but quite pleased how it is shaping up, just need to find a smokebox door & some safety valves

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/9/thumb_33849.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=33849)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Chris in Prague on January 09, 2016, 11:19:19 AM
I believe that 4472 "Flying Scotsman" was renumbered in late LNER days as 103; hence, it becoming BR No. 60103.

I must admit that I did not notice that the 2nd Bulleid Pacific was a "Merchant Navy". As there is already a new much improved (detailing) "MN" available from Graham Farish by Bachmann you might want to use it as a scrapyard loco. and 'restore' "Spitfire" instead, Andrew?

Thanks Chris, that might be a better plan as I think there will only be enough bits for one chassis (from memory)

The two locos. don't have identical chassis though, I think, Andrew? Certainly not in real life anyway?
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Chris in Prague on January 09, 2016, 11:20:51 AM
That's an excellent piece of model work, Andrew.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: PeterA on January 09, 2016, 12:50:56 PM
Thanks for the extra context, the numbering history of loco's seems a bit odd now and again... I had to do a double take when I was looking at the footage of the "Flying Scotsman" yesterday with the number 103 - I have a photo of the cab and with the new info provided by you guys, it is 21C17 - making it Merchant Navy class "Belgian Marine"

No problem, Wikipedia have a reasonable knowledge base for this, and usually list original loco numbers as well as the later BR number as well...

Bookmarked and look forward to following progress!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on January 09, 2016, 01:26:57 PM
That's an excellent piece of model work, Andrew.

I can't claim credit other than painting it Chris... shapeways did the hard part  ::)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on January 09, 2016, 05:36:11 PM
The civil engineering group are eager to get building some recent acquisitions from Japan!

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/10/thumb_33267.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=33267)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/10/thumb_33268.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=33268)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/10/thumb_33269.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=33269)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on January 09, 2016, 05:37:50 PM
This lot should keep them busy over the winter months :)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/10/thumb_33270.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=33270)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/10/thumb_33271.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=33271)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/10/thumb_33272.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=33272)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Chris in Prague on January 09, 2016, 05:54:35 PM
That's a VERY impressive (and expensive) collection, Andrew. That would take me months to paint and assemble. The two sheds are, I suppose for housing preserved stock? The large three-aisled brick building looks very nice on the box lid. I have a few of the figure sets and they are very nice.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on January 09, 2016, 06:43:33 PM
That's a VERY impressive (and expensive) collection, Andrew. That would take me months to paint and assemble. The two sheds are, I suppose for housing preserved stock? The large three-aisled brick building looks very nice on the box lid. I have a few of the figure sets and they are very nice.

Yes, individually the kits were reasonably priced...but as you can see, I went a bit nuts!  Got a good deal from them on postage... or so I thought until I got the dreaded letter from the Royal Mail with "import tax" in the title!  Oh well.... will post the progress over the next couple of weeks ... but they will take me a while to build too, will take my mind off the lack of progress (weather) on the PRPS premises.  Not quite decided on final purpose of the kits, may well follow your lead and do a bit of kit bashing, though I would be pleased if I got close to the results you produce, the interior of the loco shed sticks in my mind :)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Chris in Prague on January 09, 2016, 06:52:03 PM
Yes, the dreaded Import Tax. The Czech Post Office long ago caught on to that. So, I very rarely buy books from the US anymore. I did once buy a big box of model railway accessories for an NGF member and myself. The P&P worked out very reasonable and, even after tax, they were a bargain.

The loco. shed was one of the very first buildings I started and it was many days work over one summer. However, it is awaiting final assembly. (I have the hardwood strip for the beams.) As the wall inserts were card though the plastic walls have bowed slightly. The wooden beams superglued should solve that. However, it is awaiting fitting of the light strip in the roof and the construction of the sidelit inspection pit underneath before final assembly and placement. It was fun 'kit bashing' it though. It's partly based on the ex-GWR shed that once stood at Bodmin General.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on January 10, 2016, 11:35:27 AM
The construction team press on with the refinery expansion.... once they get through all the packaging!

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/9/thumb_33829.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=33829)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/9/thumb_33830.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=33830)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on January 10, 2016, 11:42:21 AM
The construction team were relying on pictures as they had no-one fluent in Japanese to interpret the erection sequence!

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/9/thumb_33832.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=33832)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/9/thumb_33835.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=33835)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Chris in Prague on January 10, 2016, 11:48:19 AM
Thanks for the latest update, Andrew. Definitely, try a 'dry assembly' of all parts, first, before using any adhesives!
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on January 10, 2016, 11:57:58 AM
Absolutely Chris, they were pretty simple, and I will need to do a bit more kit bashing once they are in-situ to make them a bit more realistic (not sure how anyone will access the top platform) .... but they will be a good addition to the refinery scene - I have some more units coming across from America soon (hand carried by a colleague, so I have avoided the import tax hit) - beginning to worry that the refinery may become too big for the local supply demand!
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on January 10, 2016, 12:01:10 PM
coming together, just waiting on the big crane to lift the column into position (as you can see in the background, work has been progressing on a second tower in parallel

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/9/thumb_33856.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=33856)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on January 10, 2016, 12:02:31 PM
All done, just waiting for piping & weathering :)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/9/thumb_33857.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=33857)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Chris in Prague on January 10, 2016, 12:28:24 PM
Looking good, Andrew, A few rakes of tanker wagons could be used to end the finished refined products further afield?
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on January 10, 2016, 04:53:49 PM
Thanks Chris, I will dig out some old photo's from my layout from 2009/10 (uprooted due to house move) of the tanker wagons I have, is mainly the black BP/Shell ones
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Chris in Prague on January 10, 2016, 06:31:20 PM
Thanks Chris, I will dig out some old photo's from my layout from 2009/10 (uprooted due to house move) of the tanker wagons I have, is mainly the black BP/Shell ones

Thanks, Andrew. I will look forward to seeing those. I need to check, now, if I have any black BP/Shell 4w tankers.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: johnlambert on January 10, 2016, 10:09:06 PM
I found an old lead container a perfect fit into the firebox!

([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/9/thumb_33848.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=33848[/url])

Only managed to get one coat on it so far, but quite pleased how it is shaping up, just need to find a smokebox door & some safety valves

([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/9/thumb_33849.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=33849[/url])


I've just quickly read through several pages of this thread, looks like there's some good modelling going on.

You might find a suitable smokebox door in the N Brass Locos range - lots of interesting bits and pieces in the range.  No connection with them other than as a satisfied customer.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on January 11, 2016, 12:27:36 PM
Thanks John, I took a quick look at the N brass locos site, a bit of a treasure trove!  thanks for the hint - got a few things on their parts list that I can use

Cheers,
Andrew
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on January 11, 2016, 12:32:40 PM
One of the signal boxes rescued from previous layout

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/9/thumb_33858.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=33858)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on January 11, 2016, 12:37:06 PM
Local research suggests that there is a high demand in the Perthshire area for LPG so the refinery company (still without a name or brand) has decided to invest in a Horton sphere for LPG storage (this is more a nod to my early career when I used to regularly sample these things in Grangemouth!)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/9/thumb_33852.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=33852)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on January 11, 2016, 12:40:55 PM
Decided to include the lattice supports (Grangemouth did not have these)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/9/thumb_33853.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=33853)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on January 11, 2016, 12:44:10 PM
Went together quite nicely

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/9/thumb_33854.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=33854)

Then a bit of rail from my Bo'Ness & Kinneil Rly Permanent Way team days to make sure it all stayed in place while the glue set!

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/9/thumb_33855.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=33855)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Chris in Prague on January 11, 2016, 01:01:01 PM
Thanks for the latest update, Andrew. Coming along very nicely.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on January 11, 2016, 01:19:30 PM
Thanks Chris, am starting to feel a bit frustrated at not having some baseboards to put them on...... fighting off the temptation to embark on a temporary layout!  Also fidgeting a bit with the layout plans..... been tinkering with some new ideas while I was in some boring meetings today :)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Chris in Prague on January 11, 2016, 02:13:20 PM
I think preparing the buildings before you embark on tracklaying and the baseboards will, actually, speed things up, later, Andrew, as you'll have less time to devote to buildings, later. But having the buildings to place on the baseboard will help you to ensure that the track layout looks as you want it to.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on January 11, 2016, 04:58:49 PM
Construction of the base unit completed, it joins the queue for weathering & other additions

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/9/thumb_33880.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=33880)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Chris in Prague on January 11, 2016, 05:09:49 PM
Another excellent addition, Andrew.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on January 11, 2016, 05:17:16 PM
Thanks Chris, I am not too happy with the paint job at the moment, got a nice finish using Tamiya primer on it, then touched it up around the walkways with a different paint (DOH!) ..... will hopefully mask it in the weathering

Cheers,
Andrew
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Chris in Prague on January 11, 2016, 05:26:28 PM
I did wonder about that, Andrew, but you had written that it was going to be weathered so I thought it would not show when you had finished.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on January 13, 2016, 10:23:30 AM
After their success with the horton sphere & distillation towers, the construction team turn their attention to building a garage for the tanker fleet that will distribute supplies to the local area

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/9/thumb_33859.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=33859)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/9/thumb_33860.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=33860)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on January 13, 2016, 10:41:46 AM
As with previous Greenmax kits I have built, this was a well detailed set of parts

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/9/thumb_33861.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=33861)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/9/thumb_33862.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=33862)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Chris in Prague on January 13, 2016, 12:26:11 PM
Thanks for the latest estimate. That should be a very attractive building when completed, Andrew.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on January 13, 2016, 12:32:08 PM
Thanks Chris, hoping I can do it justice, this is one that I was going to try & take a leaf out of your book & try some internal detailing.... posters etc. on the wall......
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Chris in Prague on January 13, 2016, 12:37:57 PM
That could look very attractive, Andrew, but you'll need to incorporate some overhead lighting for the interior to be seen. I bought some LED strips for ceiling lighting for the loco. shed and other buildings but have yet to use them!
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Chris in Prague on January 13, 2016, 02:06:52 PM
PS If you want the image files (JPGs) for the non-railway pictures on the loco. shed wall, just PM me.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Mito on January 13, 2016, 06:37:59 PM
The kits look good. I've never built Greenmax kits. I buy led strips from our local Chinese shop. They can be cut into threes and if they are too bright a touch of black paint will dull them down. They work off 12 volts and sold to embellish cars!
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on January 13, 2016, 07:58:47 PM
Still not wholly convinced that the painting crew picked the right colours off the shelf....... but at least it has a coating

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/9/thumb_33863.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=33863)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/9/thumb_33864.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=33864)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Chris in Prague on January 13, 2016, 08:16:48 PM
Thanks for the photo., Andrew. Shouldn't the walls be painted a concrete colour though?
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on January 14, 2016, 11:07:08 AM
Morning Chris, yes, I did deliberate about that, but elected to use pigmented concrete on the final build, the Chief Executive of the Blackford Petroleum company that is building the refinery will be able to see this yard from her "big hoose on the hill" and wanted something that blended in more to the surrounding landscape - her logic was that a green roof & brown walls would look more like a low tree from her dining room bay windows

The roofers have been on site

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/9/thumb_33865.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=33865)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/9/thumb_33866.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=33866)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/9/thumb_33867.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=33867)

Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Chris in Prague on January 14, 2016, 11:24:32 AM
Thanks, for the update. Ah! That makes perfect sense, Andrew. Sounds like the Chief Executive of the Blackford Petroleum company must be a relative of Lady Penelope of Trevelver Castle, another successful businesswoman known for her forthright opinions! 8-)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on January 14, 2016, 12:51:26 PM
Thanks, for the update. Ah! That makes perfect sense, Andrew. Sounds like the Chief Executive of the Blackford Petroleum company must be a relative of Lady Penelope of Trevelver Castle, another successful businesswoman known for her forthright opinions! 8-)

There are rumors around Perthshire that the family fortune was built up several generations ago from the tin-mines of St Agnes 
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on January 14, 2016, 01:06:34 PM
Does that look square to you.....?  Where is a good surveyor when you need one!

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/9/thumb_33868.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=33868)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/9/thumb_33869.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=33869)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on January 14, 2016, 03:40:44 PM
Hoardings & signage will need to be acquired, but given it's Japanese origins, the garage does not look too out of place .... and while she has not done a site inspection, it is understood that the Chief Exec has found the colour scheme to her liking

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/9/thumb_33870.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=33870)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/9/thumb_33871.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=33871)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Chris in Prague on January 14, 2016, 03:45:56 PM
It looks very good, Andrew.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on January 14, 2016, 05:14:40 PM
Delivery of the garage machinery & equipment caused a bit of sweat on the brow of the driver

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/9/thumb_33872.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=33872)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Chris in Prague on January 14, 2016, 05:21:41 PM
A very tight fit inside the garage, indeed!
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Mito on January 14, 2016, 05:43:30 PM
Very nicely made. :thumbsup: The chief exec has good tastes. I imagine the truck driver had a few clenched muscles as he reversed in! :worried:
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on January 14, 2016, 07:25:14 PM
The garage manager breathed a sigh of relief at the departure of the "big rig" and welcomed in the fleet of "normal sized tankers" (his words) who will usually be housed here, though his first task will be to organise the re-painting of the fleet into Blackford Petroleum colours & logo

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/9/thumb_33873.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=33873)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on January 14, 2016, 09:10:53 PM
Very nicely made. :thumbsup: The chief exec has good tastes. I imagine the truck driver had a few clenched muscles as he reversed in! :worried:

indeed! one more than most!  :)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Chris in Prague on January 14, 2016, 09:51:17 PM
Looking forward to the tanker fleet's 'makeover', Andrew. 8-)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: jrb on January 14, 2016, 10:19:44 PM
Delivery of the garage machinery & equipment caused a bit of sweat on the brow of the driver

I saw what you did there. I don't know whether to accuse you of cheating, or congratulate you on your ingenuity  :uneasy:

(Sorry, but you are not allowed to access the gallery)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Mito on January 14, 2016, 10:32:26 PM
Delivery of the garage machinery & equipment caused a bit of sweat on the brow of the driver

I saw what you did there. I don't know whether to accuse you of cheating, or congratulate you on your ingenuity  :uneasy:

(Sorry, but you are not allowed to access the gallery)

That's not cheating, that's an essential part of the structure to ensure there is no ground erosion from a leakage of whiskey. I like the idea of transporting the "wee dram" in petrol tankers.  :D
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: jrb on January 15, 2016, 12:12:18 AM
Delivery of the garage machinery & equipment caused a bit of sweat on the brow of the driver

I saw what you did there. I don't know whether to accuse you of cheating, or congratulate you on your ingenuity  :uneasy:

(Sorry, but you are not allowed to access the gallery)

That's not cheating, that's an essential part of the structure to ensure there is no ground erosion from a leakage of whiskey. I like the idea of transporting the "wee dram" in petrol tankers.  :D

If there was a leak (heaven forbid; spillage is frowned upon) wouldn't the cardboard just go soggy & collapse? :worried:
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on January 15, 2016, 08:21:48 AM
Delivery of the garage machinery & equipment caused a bit of sweat on the brow of the driver

I saw what you did there. I don't know whether to accuse you of cheating, or congratulate you on your ingenuity  :uneasy:

(Sorry, but you are not allowed to access the gallery)

Well spotted!  Yes, the slight scale difference between the japanese model & the UK sized truck required a bit of artisitc licence :)  The garage manager is known to like a wee dram and the banter from the shop floor about a potential spill of the hard stuff is that he would have had his "mooth unner it before it hit the deck"  :)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on January 15, 2016, 08:44:03 AM
I was a bit unhappy with the garage managers office roof (I know that it wont be seen.... but I have some thoughts in that direction too (along the lines of Cant Cove))

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/9/thumb_33877.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=33877)

So I did a quick search on N Gauge corrugated roofing ... and found a suitable jpeg to print

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/9/thumb_33876.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=33876)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on January 15, 2016, 09:22:59 AM
I like the look of this better, once I add some debris, tyres, access ladder etc..... (and the ubiquitous "Fragile Roof" sign)  :)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/9/thumb_33878.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=33878)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Chris in Prague on January 15, 2016, 10:40:30 AM
The corrugated roof is an excellent addition, Andrew. Yes, some debris, tyres, access ladder etc., and the ubiquitous "Fragile Roof" sign will definitely add to the realism. I have some tasteful 1960s calendars in N Scale . . .
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on January 15, 2016, 10:46:40 AM
Thanks Chris, that would be good, will PM you to get the other scaled down pictures etc. that you used

Kit construction pretty much complete, though looking at it now, might have to think about how it would be illuminated.... might adapt the roof to have some sky lights or add some windows..... the Chief Exec may yet have something to say about the red doors as the garage manager acted alone in that decision ...

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/9/thumb_33881.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=33881)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Chris in Prague on January 15, 2016, 10:59:57 AM
The finished version looks very good, Andrew. If you have not already glued on the roof, skylights would, probably, be the easiest to add: some transparent plastic (I use the packaging from fresh vegetables) and plastic strip for frames?

Yes, please, PM me and I'll send you the doc. file with the jpegs on it.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on January 15, 2016, 11:01:18 AM
Thought I would post an overview of how the refinery units are coming along + the garage for the tanker fleet, then new additions all need to be weathered up, and I need to think about the signage for the garage (the ones that came with the kit were all in Japanese)....

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/9/thumb_33882.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=33882)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/9/thumb_33883.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=33883)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Chris in Prague on January 15, 2016, 11:04:45 AM
The weathered unit on the left-hand side looks really excellent, Andrew. Highly realistic.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: cornish yorkie on January 15, 2016, 02:20:54 PM
 :hellosign: thanks for the updates Andrew, looking good  :greatpicturessign:
regards Derek
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Mito on January 15, 2016, 06:29:48 PM
It's all looking really good. The corrugated iron really improves the office. If you have a photo manipulation program, download photos off internet and scale them down to N size. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on January 15, 2016, 06:49:09 PM
My workspace  :-[

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/9/thumb_34253.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=34253)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: port perran on January 15, 2016, 07:26:36 PM
Which bit is the space and which bit do you actually work in ?? :claphappy:
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on January 15, 2016, 08:17:46 PM
 :D  I sometimes wonder.... you can see the upended garage .... that would be the space to which you refer  :goggleeyes:
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Chris in Prague on January 15, 2016, 08:21:23 PM
My kitchen table looked like that the summer before last as I had so many modelling projects on the go. Now, I'm concentrating just on wagons and vans. All the figures and road vehicles will have to wait until the summer. I do hope though to finish the 'plastering' on Cant Cove and, at least, paint it all green (for grass) or grey (for granite) before I restart full-time work, next month.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on January 15, 2016, 08:31:44 PM
Some of the rolling stock that will service the refinery & oilfields - you can see two incarnations of the Blackford Petroleum Co. livery in this picture, the crude oil tankers in the background & the more modern product tankers in the foreground  :angel:

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/9/thumb_34243.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=34243)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Mito on January 15, 2016, 08:58:55 PM
My workspace  :-[

([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/9/thumb_34253.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=34253[/url])


Looks familiar. :)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Chris in Prague on January 15, 2016, 09:01:05 PM
A very nice selection of petrol tankers. Using the Peco tanker wagon kit, maybe, the "Castle Estates" will get into the liquid fuel distribution business, too? 8-)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on January 16, 2016, 01:09:24 PM
Some other shots of my earlier layout that had to be dismantled before it was anywhere near completion - shows some of the freight stock I still have

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/9/thumb_34244.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=34244)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/9/thumb_34245.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=34245)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/9/thumb_34246.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=34246)

Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Chris in Prague on January 16, 2016, 09:06:42 PM
That's a very impressive collection of goods stock, Andrew. One tip for improving the Peco plastic barrel load I see in two open wagons, 'flood' the flat part around the barrels with dilute (enough to flow inbetween the barrel shapes) matt black paint.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on January 17, 2016, 07:23:48 AM
Thanks Chris, that is a great tip - will take a look at that, will still not be as good to look at as the barrell loads you have done, but it will be a big improvement
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Chris in Prague on January 17, 2016, 07:29:39 AM
Thanks Chris, that is a great tip - will take a look at that, will still not be as good to look at as the barrel loads you have done, but it will be a big improvement

Thanks. I will post a picture of a wagon with the painted barrel load, later. I painted all the large metal 'wooden' barrels, yesterday, Andrew, to go into the "Sam's Cider" open 7-plank wagons and will be supergluing them on clear plastic oblongs so that they can be removed from the wagons if their new owners wish. I'm not sure whether I will have any barrels left afterwards. However, I can always order some more as I have 3 weeks left before I have to return to full-time work.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Chris in Prague on January 17, 2016, 03:40:41 PM
The Wadebridge Yardmaster has managed to get hold of a few more BR Grey Shoc-Vans than are required for the regular service of returning broken and cracked beer bottles to the South London glassworks that supplies the "Castle" and "Headland" breweries, in Cornwall, with new bottles on the return journey. Considering that transporting Tullibardine single malt in branded vans the length of Britain would be an invitation too great to resist, he has reserved the spare vans for the whisky traffic and a pair will be sent in the train to Perthshire to be replaced with some found in the West Midlands and on their way to Cant Cove in the near future in the next scheduled goods trains. 8-)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on January 19, 2016, 11:37:39 AM
Got some trans-atlantic items this month (hand carried by a colleague) - something a bit different.  These will be used around the scrapyard scene that is developing

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/9/thumb_34235.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=34235)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/9/thumb_34236.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=34236)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on January 19, 2016, 03:12:40 PM
Also have a scene forming in my head for these cheeky chaps (also from across the pond)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/9/thumb_34237.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=34237)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Chris in Prague on January 19, 2016, 05:18:13 PM
I like that N Scale Storage Shed, Andrew. The rusty corrugated iron fencing will look very good around your scrapyard.

As for the 'cheeky chappies', I always thought Perthshire was  very genteel county! 8-)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: scottishlocos on January 19, 2016, 05:40:03 PM
Hi

looking good cant wait to see the refinery taking shape
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on January 19, 2016, 09:03:09 PM
I like that N Scale Storage Shed, Andrew. The rusty corrugated iron fencing will look very good around your scrapyard.

As for the 'cheeky chappies', I always thought Perthshire was  very genteel county! 8-)

that is what the Gleneagles Hotel brochure would have you believe, but a quick wander down the 1.5 mile, near straight, high street (that give Auchterarder the nickname "the lang toon") soon paints a very different picture, with uncouth revellers spilling out of the less up market hostelry's like the "Star Inn" or "The Niblick" - a fine pint is to be had in the "Golf Inn" in the somewhat bare surroundings though.  These errant youths like to cause affront to the well heeled tourists who travel to these parts

 
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on January 20, 2016, 09:24:54 PM
Gawd.... not Merit & not 24, more like 40!  Still, will be worth it & will try Chris's "dressing them" tip

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/10/thumb_33275.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=33275)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Chris in Prague on January 20, 2016, 10:02:17 PM
Hi Andrew. I also have both these sets but, apart from (over) spraypainting them in matt grey undercoat have not touched them since! I have repainted various German figures, e.g. Preiser, into more 1960s Britain colours.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Webbo on January 21, 2016, 09:16:14 AM
Also have a scene forming in my head for these cheeky chaps (also from across the pond)

([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/9/thumb_34237.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=34237[/url])


I'm having these guys and gal on my layout too as soon as I get my railroad crossing finalised. They will have driven up to trackside in a '58 two-door hardtop Chev.

Webbo
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on January 21, 2016, 10:28:37 AM
Some new PO wagons have arrived on the PRPS (courtesy of Robbie's Rolling Stock & Santa!) these have been acquired from local business's and it is hoped they can be pressed into service later this year after the maintenance team have completed essential checks

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/9/thumb_34587.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=34587)

Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Chris in Prague on January 21, 2016, 10:33:27 AM
That's a fine selection of wagons, Andrew.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on January 21, 2016, 10:42:28 AM
Local prominent businesswoman, Caitlin Barkle, CEO of Blackford Petroleum announced news of a lucrative new contract to manufacture petroleum products under the brand "National Benzole" for distribution to the local markets - to mark the announcement, information was provided on the re-branded tankers that will be seen on the roads in the near future

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/9/thumb_34588.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=34588)

Local haulier Tommy Bulwark has also been subcontracted to help with initial supply

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/9/thumb_34585.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=34585)
 
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on January 21, 2016, 10:44:05 AM
Also have a scene forming in my head for these cheeky chaps (also from across the pond)

([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/9/thumb_34237.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=34237[/url])


I'm having these guys and gal on my layout too as soon as I get my railroad crossing finalised. They will have driven up to trackside in a '58 two-door hardtop Chev.

Webbo


Look forward to a picture of that scene on your layout :)

Cheers,
Andrew
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on January 21, 2016, 10:55:09 AM
Following the announcement of the new "National Benzole" contract, materials and design drawings have been starting to show up on location to commence the expansion of the refinery to raise the nameplate capacity

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/9/thumb_34238.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=34238)

The construction team were overheard in the canteen grumbling about the need to build everything from scratch onsite instead of the usual partially completed modules arriving that only require final assembly

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/9/thumb_34239.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=34239)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/9/thumb_34240.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=34240)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/9/thumb_34241.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=34241)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/9/thumb_34242.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=34242)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on January 21, 2016, 10:58:05 AM
That's a fine selection of wagons, Andrew.

Thanks Chris - It is indeed, after the mishap at Christmas over the scale (missus ordered OO gauge) it is great to see them, particularly like the Kinneil one as the Bo'Ness & Kinneil Rly had one of these, so that sates my nostalgia appetite and like the fact that I can get ones that are very local to the area I live from Robbiw
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Chris in Prague on January 21, 2016, 11:47:32 AM
That looks like it will be a very impressive refinery, Andrew.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on January 21, 2016, 12:04:52 PM
It was not quite what I was anticipating.... but will be fun to try & see if I can create something that looks half way realistic!
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Mito on January 21, 2016, 08:45:16 PM
All looking very good. :thumbsup: You wont be bored for a while. :)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on January 23, 2016, 04:22:15 PM
Have posted an update on the modified layout plan on the other thread

http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=30688.msg359136#msg359136 (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=30688.msg359136#msg359136)

News:  PRPS spokesperson, Pauline Bellamutt was pleased to announce that in addition to the Cant Cove vans, she had been very successful in securing additional Shoc Vans for the predicted traffic increase from the local distillery.  She also announced success in securing a large quantity of additional carriage & wagon rolling stock.  The good news was toasted with a dram of the Tullibardine 228 (this is Tullibardine Sovereign which has been finished off in Chateau de Chassagne Montrachet Red Burgundy Casks, which are 228 litres in size).  The new C&W dept. acquisitions should start arriving at the railway over the coming weeks, and some additional motive power is also being pursued.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Chris in Prague on January 24, 2016, 06:08:37 PM
For traffic to Perthshire, the "Castle Estates" top salesman, Brandon Williams, has reserved 2 SWB vans, 1 LWB Pallet van, 1 LWB Insulated van, 1 LWB Flat wagon and 1 double-bolster timber wagon. Of these, only the LWB Insulated van is missing. However, further deliveries of quite a few LWB Insulated vans as well as more LWB Ferry open wagons, additional pairs of single-bolster timber wagons and another twin-bolster timber wagon (insufficient of these were ordered and more are sought) together with another LWB Pallet van, are all expected to arrive from the West Midlands, together with various SWB open wagons and vans plus 2 BR Grey Shoc-Vans for transporting bottled beers, ciders, and mineral water to Scotland from the West Country returning with bottled whisky and empty beer and cider bottles. So, two special trains may be required and it is planned to add some coaches for West Country visitors and business partners to both.

Brendon has also been asked by Messrs Prisk & Jones (Vegetable Wholesalers), Trepol Bay, to investigate the market for fresh Cornish vegetables and flowers to be transported in their distinctive dark green livery vans and Conflat Containers. Initial trial shipments can be accommodated in the "Castle Estates" vans but Messrs Prisk & Jones hope that there is sufficient demand to justify using their own rolling stock. The North Cornwall Pasty Co. will also be sending some trial shipments the "Castle Estates" vans but, again, hope that there will be sufficient demand to justify using their distinctive satin orange livery vans and Conflat Containers.

Lastly, the Association of West Country Breweries members are excited about the chance to compete among themselves to brew a special commemorative ale for the former brewery that stood on the site of the Tullibardine distillery. The members are also keen to distribute Tullibardine 228 for their most discerning whisky drinkers.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on February 27, 2016, 06:14:36 PM
Some minor progress was made on the PRPS final home - the info boards only being fitted in case the carpenter makes a start & forgets to include them when he fits the end straps internally.  Was keen to paint the vents, just to see them stand out from their previously squashed state!

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/7/thumb_35931.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=35931)

It is eagerly anticipated that more substantive work will begin in the very near future
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Chris in Prague on February 27, 2016, 06:35:50 PM
Nice to see the progress, Andrew. It's cold here, too. We've also had snow (now gone) but more is forecast, this week.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on February 27, 2016, 08:46:17 PM
Thanks Chris, if it was not snowing, it was raining and if it was not raining it was freezing.... some days it was all three!

The Signalling team have started to contemplate how they will design the point operation, have bought a couple of these guys

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/7/thumb_35932.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=35932)

But would also like to try my hand at the point motors as I have bought a few of the Peco ones and have never tried it before.......   so most likely it will be a combination of the 2 (plus some judicial finger switching)

If nothing else, the Modratec frames are very soothing to play with, I think they do offer them as executive toys too :) - were fun to build too, although a bit tricky in places, I only intend to use them on points though, so don't get to paint them up like a traditional signal box frame

Cheers,
Andrew

Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Chris in Prague on February 27, 2016, 08:58:35 PM
That signal frame looks relly nice, Andrew. Far beyond my capabilities. It would, indeed, be great to 'play' with. I'm still thinking about point motors. 8-(
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on February 28, 2016, 10:27:24 AM
It is surprisingly straightforward to build, the only tricky bit is fitting a tiny spring & equally tiny ball bearing into each lever as you build the frame... and trying to trap it against the adjacent cross member!  They do supply a couple of tools for the job & a link to an alternative method... but I ended up using my own technique involving a thin spatula.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on February 28, 2016, 12:50:25 PM
Pauline Bellamut, the PRPS Carriage & Wagon Convenor was pleased to update the society and the local distillery on the new grain wagons that have been sourced and re-liveried by the society for the anticipated growth in output following the recent visit by Brandon Williams.

The original candidates for the new Tullibardine livery

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/7/thumb_35865.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=35865)

3 bodies leave the paint shop

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/7/thumb_35917.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=35917)

The assembled train on public viewing prior to final detailing - I decided to leave the yellow ones as they are & just noticed (via the photo) the blue one was not assembled correctly!

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/7/thumb_35939.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=35939)

Security arrangements are under review after one wagon was targeted by the local youths to receive an unapproved livery

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/7/thumb_35940.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=35940)

The (almost) finished Tullibardine livery (need to tidy up the black lining & spotted one missing the yellow axle hubs) and weather them up a bit, the graffiti needs a bit of "blending" in too.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/7/thumb_35941.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=35941)

Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: cornish yorkie on February 28, 2016, 06:16:04 PM
 :hellosign: thanks for the  :greatpicturessign:, nice painting, looking good
regards Derek.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on February 28, 2016, 06:33:38 PM
Thanks Derek, the colour is known in these parts as Peugeot Seville :)

Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Chris in Prague on February 29, 2016, 09:21:58 AM
Those grain hopper wagons look very good, Andrew. A tip for anyone reading: before repainting any model in a dark colour, give it an undercoat of matt grey or even matt white for a pale colour, first. I use Tamiya acrylic undercoat spraypaint but a generic acrylic undercoat spray can works, too.

Photos. are very good for showing up missed small details, I'm afraid. Ex-works, roller-bearing fitted axleboxes (for higher speeds) were indeed painted gloss yellow but, after a long journey from, say Cornwall to Perthshire, the underneath of the wagons would be covered in track dust and the yellow would be much paler, if visible at all!

The orange colour is very attractive. Eventually, I will make transfers to fit on medium-sized nameboards on the sides of my (and others') PO livery grain wagons. Mine are in the dark blue livery of the "Castle Brewery" (one, older, handpainted in dark blue, and, then at least one spraypainted). There will also be at least one in the "Headland Brewery" livery and I'm considering one in a hybrid "Castle Brewery" and  "Headland Brewery" livery, as part of the Alliance of West Country Breweries. One in "Creech Brewery" livery is also under consideration.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on February 29, 2016, 07:56:01 PM
Two of the PRPS newly acquired 4F's double head the ever lengthening beverage working

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/7/thumb_35900.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=35900)

A closer look at some of the wagons - some of the shoc wagons that will be worked between the West Country & Perthshire

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/7/thumb_35901.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=35901)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on February 29, 2016, 08:06:36 PM
Scottish & Newcastle have a strong presence in the region and here are a couple of their wagons en route from their brewery at Dalry, Edinburgh

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/7/thumb_35902.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=35902)

Also picked up in Edinburgh were two of these wagons

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/7/thumb_35903.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=35903)

Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on February 29, 2016, 08:10:43 PM
Other better known brands also formed part of the train that will go some way to quenching the county's thirst

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/7/thumb_35904.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=35904)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/7/thumb_35905.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=35905)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on February 29, 2016, 08:22:58 PM
One wagon dropped off at Auchterarder (Crieff Junction) for distribution to the local hostelries, it is also a favourite at the Dormy clubhouse at Gleneagles, the hard working pannier 9406 takes charge of marshalling it into the yard

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/7/thumb_35906.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=35906)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Chris in Prague on February 29, 2016, 09:13:16 PM
Ah, "Fremlins", of Maidstone, Kent! Their "Tusker" (1046; launched 1979, killed in 1985) was a very fine, beer. The "Castle Brewery", Cant Cove, has, for many years, a trading agreement with "Fremlins" going back to the days when railborne holidaymakers first travelled from Kent to Cornwall.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on March 01, 2016, 08:18:16 PM
After January's display of loco's and coaches, the PRPS have started showing the public their demonstration trains - 1st up is their diminutive SR collection

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/7/thumb_35928.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=35928)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/7/thumb_35929.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=35929)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Chris in Prague on March 01, 2016, 09:07:44 PM
I did not know that you had a demonstration SR goods train, Andrew. That's a fine rake of banana vans. In the next parcel, I'll add some of the SR wagons / vans which you don't have, courtesy of the CLPG. 8-) The M7 looks very good in SR livery. (Mine, on loan to the CLPG, Trepol Bay, is BR Black Late Crest; in fact an identical twin to Martin's.)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on March 01, 2016, 09:13:35 PM
Thanks Chris :)  This was the shortest & quickest demonstration train to assemble, the next ones are longer and will take a bit more time to marshal on the limited track that is currently available, but over the next few days, all the rolling stock is hoped to be making its public debut - maybe the LMS set next, but most likely the GWR :)

Cheers,
Andrew
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Chris in Prague on March 01, 2016, 09:23:22 PM
Thanks, Andrew. Brian (Mito) will definitely be interested in your LMS demonstration goods train as he has a good one of his own. (Much of the stock passed through Cant Cove.) Brian, John, Martin, and I, amongst others, will, I'm sure, be very interested in your GWR demonstration goods train as we all have our own.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: ScottyStitch on March 02, 2016, 07:05:10 AM
One wagon dropped off at Auchterarder (Crieff Junction) for distribution to the local hostelries, it is also a favourite at the Dormy clubhouse at Gleneagles, the hard working pannier 9406 takes charge of marshalling it into the yard

([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/7/thumb_35906.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=35906[/url])


Forgive my borderline pedantic-ness(a word? I think not) but it was Gleneagles that was Crieff Junction in a former life rather than Auchterarder.

If you have tweaked geography and history a little in the interests of your layout and artistic licence, then I apologise for my upstartness (not convinced that is a word either)...........

Lovely medicinal train, by the way.

Happy modelling.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on March 02, 2016, 01:33:53 PM
Scotty, you are absolutely correct, I have shamelessly merged the former Crieff Junction (Gleneagles) and Auchterarder (just a few miles north) into one location, very much journalistic licence... and the fact I won't have space to model them individually and the fact my layout will bear no resemblance to the actual locations :)  (apologies to those who faithfully recreate station layouts in miniature)

In my post before, I got my fictitious locations and real locations confused!  I probably won't finalise the station names until I get some track down... want to include Blackford too as the Tullibardine distillery makes an appearance as part of the industry

If Upstartness is not a word, then it should be  :thumbsup:

Cheers,
Andrew
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: ScottyStitch on March 02, 2016, 01:40:53 PM
Scotty, you are absolutely correct, I have shamelessly merged the former Crieff Junction (Gleneagles) and Auchterarder (just a few miles north) into one location, very much journalistic licence... and the fact I won't have space to model them individually and the fact my layout will bear no resemblance to the actual locations :)  (apologies to those who faithfully recreate station layouts in miniature)

In my post before, I got my fictitious locations and real locations confused!  I probably won't finalise the station names until I get some track down... want to include Blackford too as the Tullibardine distillery makes an appearance as part of the industry

If Upstartness is not a word, then it should be  :thumbsup:

Cheers,
Andrew

Andrew, no such faithful fidelity from me either, I was just concerned in case you had made an inadvertent faux pas that would have caused problems later.

A regular photographic haunt of mine used to be Forteviot Level Crossing when I lived in Perth, so I know the Earn Valley reasonably well.

Scott
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on March 02, 2016, 03:12:27 PM
Today sees the display of the GWR goods train, hauled here by a lovely Collett goods loco which the PRPS has taken temporary ownership of

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/7/thumb_35923.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=35923)

These bogied coal wagons were rescued & restored by the Carriage & Wagon Dept (with advice from Bob at BR Lines) - I know that the fact only one bogie out of 10 has metal wheels will annoy some :)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/7/thumb_35924.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=35924)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on March 02, 2016, 03:16:00 PM
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/7/thumb_35925.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=35925)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/7/thumb_35926.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=35926)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/7/thumb_35927.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=35927)

The society has a bit of a choice when it comes to Guard vans, as they have several GWR examples to choose from for this train
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on March 03, 2016, 07:16:52 PM
After carefully sorting the GWR goods train back into the temporary "sidings" the LMS goods train was prepared for display with the Black 5 at the front of it

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/7/thumb_35942.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=35942)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/7/thumb_35943.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=35943)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on March 03, 2016, 07:19:23 PM
Freight grey does seem to dominate the collection!

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/7/thumb_35944.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=35944)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/7/thumb_35945.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=35945)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on March 03, 2016, 07:21:29 PM
But we do have one bauxite example + a strange looking guards van

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/7/thumb_35946.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=35946)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/7/thumb_35947.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=35947)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Chris in Prague on March 03, 2016, 07:46:14 PM
Many thanks for the latest updates, Andrew, with the GWR and LMS demonstration goods trains both of which are very impressive indeed. I see that like John (Claverdon) and Martin (Port Perran) you're one of the lucky few who has a Peco Collett 0-6-0. (I want a BR Black one as, after the WR took over Exmouth Junction shed from the SR they moved one there for snowplough duties before its final withdrawal.)

Bob at BRLines is a National Treasure. A lot of my early eBay GF loco. purchases were made as good as new by Bob and made ready for DCC fitting (by Douglas at Wickness Models, Scotland) where necessary.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on March 03, 2016, 08:18:37 PM
Thanks Chris, do you think it is a Peco one?  I had been thinking it was a well built Langley kit one as it is on a grafar chassis ... I got it in an auction job lot last December and not really looking to keep it as I am very much an LNER man when it comes to loco's (though having said that, have just bought a Bachmann Fairburn 2-6-4T in Caledonian Blue) so the PRPS are looking for a good home for it - plan is to sell it when I get home in a few weeks time.  Have ran it on my test track and it runs really well.

Agree with you on Bob, I had 4 GWR coal bogie wagon bodies and enough sets of bogies to complete them, but no plastic pins to keep them in place, he gave me a tip on how to get round that which worked a treat.  Before I left for work, I sent off 3 DMU power cars for his attention (after he had patiently explained all the parts I would need to do it myself) - will take a look at getting them converted to DCC once they come back, as it will be a while before the layout is running, I have time to send them off to Wickness models (it is where I buy my decoders anyway) for that, I had been using another guy for my conversions (he was £55 including the decoder), but am open to suggestions on better options

Cheers,
Andrew

Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: port perran on March 03, 2016, 08:42:23 PM
I don't think it's a Peco one.
Lovely locos though and I do like your demonstration goods trains.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Mito on March 03, 2016, 08:50:12 PM
I have the Langley Collett in a yet to be finished state. Applying the 3 foot rule it's a very nice model. Could be interested in it if you want to sell.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Chris in Prague on March 03, 2016, 08:55:17 PM
On closer inspection, no, it's not a Peco Collett 0-6-0. I have to admit that I did not know that there had been a Langley kit for this loco. (but they used to have a very wide range of metal body kits). I'm sure that you could still sell it for a reasonable price. I'll wait for a BR Black Peco one as I have plenty of other locos. which ran in North Cornwall awaiting DCC-firring.

In some months, there will be more PO wagons and vans heading to Perthshire in the liveries of other businesses in North and West Cornwall. (At present both Martin and I are pretty busy but with different work.) Sooner, I hope, the single-bolster timber wagons will be despatched.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on March 03, 2016, 09:16:10 PM
I have the Langley Collett in a yet to be finished state. Applying the 3 foot rule it's a very nice model. Could be interested in it if you want to sell.

Thanks Brian, it is definitely up for grabs, no feel for what a reasonable price is, will PM you, I have some other photos I can post too.

Cheers,
Andrew
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on March 04, 2016, 06:38:23 PM
Some actual progress to report tonight, the lesser spotted carpenter has been sighted on the PRPS premises  :beers:

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/7/thumb_36339.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=36339)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/7/thumb_36340.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=36340)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on March 04, 2016, 06:43:35 PM
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/6/thumb_36341.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=36341)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/6/thumb_36342.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=36342)

Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Chris in Prague on March 04, 2016, 06:48:29 PM
Excellent news, Andrew. Thanks for the update.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on March 04, 2016, 07:08:11 PM
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/6/thumb_36343.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=36343)

Will need to get my finger out and start ordering up the paint and the electrics instead of buying Fairburn 2-6-4T loco's  :-[
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Mito on March 04, 2016, 09:10:21 PM
What a great place to have a model railway. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on March 04, 2016, 09:17:22 PM
Meanwhile, back on the tracks, I embarked on trying some transfer applications from Robbie to some spare kits I had

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/7/thumb_35934.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=35934)

these kits started out a nice white plastic... it was only after I had carefully applied the nice matt black paint (very proud I was of how well they turned out!) you see here and tried to put on one of the transfers that I realised that the white lettering is actually transparent and it needs a white undercoat!
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on March 04, 2016, 09:24:18 PM
I was torn, the Guinness logo actually looked really good with a the lettering in black.... might try that in the future, but wanted to stay true to the transfer this time around

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/7/thumb_35956.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=35956)

I did manage to retrieve the one I applied onto black undercoat & salvaged it
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on March 04, 2016, 09:27:15 PM
And so we have 3 more additions to the Perthshire alcohol traffic

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/7/thumb_35963.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=35963)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: class37025 on March 04, 2016, 09:41:39 PM
great work with the tankers.

are the transfers available ?

just the Guinness ones.

so you need to white undercoat the sides of the tanks, black on the ends / top / bottom ?

definitely worth the work.  :beers:
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Chris in Prague on March 04, 2016, 11:11:13 PM
The "Guinness" tankers look very good, Andrew. Thanks for the tip about needing a white undercoat under the area to have the transfers applied to. We will need to do that with our West Country PO wagons and vans.

The axleboxes should, probably, be painted gloss yellow (for roller bearing).
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on March 05, 2016, 06:14:25 AM
great work with the tankers.

are the transfers available ?

just the Guinness ones.

so you need to white undercoat the sides of the tanks, black on the ends / top / bottom ?

definitely worth the work.  :beers:


Thanks for the compliment, they are straight from the web pages of Robbies Rolling Stock, applied to the 15T tanker kit from Peco.  He has a pretty good selection to choose from and most of them you can get ready to run, or just the transfers.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/7/thumb_35921.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=35921)

Where you have white lettering on the transfer, you need to have white undercoat, as on the transfer, once the white backing paper is off, theses areas are just transparent - maybe can't pick it out on the pictures but there are individual tank numbers on the ends, so I needed a flash of white there too. 

After that, you then have to match up the final colour of the tanker to the transfer... I have had varying degrees of success in this regard and then, as you mention, and paint over the areas of white undercoat, I have a couple more examples to post.

Cheers,
Andrew

Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on March 05, 2016, 06:20:54 AM
Thank Chris, you are right about the axle boxes, I ran out of time before I had to head off to work to do the finishing touches, but was keen to try and complete these before I left - I had thought to paint the access ladders white too, but didn't have time to research and was nervous to interfere with such a legendary brand!   :no:

The power of the photo too, I thought I had done a better job of repairing the ladder on the middle one, and have not quite got them all at the same height.... but as a first go, I was pretty pleased.  Yellow axle boxes, white handles on the brake levers and a bit more touch up of the black will be on the list of jobs for when I get home.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Chris in Prague on March 05, 2016, 08:35:28 AM
I fully understand the lack of time problem, Andrew. Practice males perfect and these three tank wagons look very good. When you have time to complete them, I'm sure they will look excellent.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: chrispearce on March 05, 2016, 08:39:20 AM
Thanks for your reply to my thread. Now I remember that you are the one who is building a layout in a goods van. Hope it is going well. At least you have some time to prepare your stock. Seems to be going well!
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on March 05, 2016, 09:34:44 AM
Thanks for your reply to my thread. Now I remember that you are the one who is building a layout in a goods van. Hope it is going well. At least you have some time to prepare your stock. Seems to be going well!

thanks Chris, is good to finally see the railway van being built rather than demolished :)

I am taking the opportunity to get the planning & preparation right, but looking forward to starting the build on the layout later this year
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on March 05, 2016, 09:50:38 AM
I fully understand the lack of time problem, Andrew. Practice males perfect and these three tank wagons look very good. When you have time to complete them, I'm sure they will look excellent.

Thanks Chris, it was a learning adventure for sure, I got caught up in the Johnstons "Klear" polish debate (and then found myself trawling around all the various supermarkets of Perthshire to find some!) and had a bit of fun with the kit building (I really hate those small nuts on the Peco kits now), but was good to see some of the pile of kits I had in a drawer for ages start to take shape.... I did a set of three 5 plank wagons too, but didn't manage to complete those before I went away, so will post those later in the month - have a couple more tanker attempts to post later today though that hopefully demonstrates what you say, practice makes perfect :)

In Perthshire, observers are waiting with bated breath to see if the lesser spotted carpenter makes another appearance :)

Cheers,
Andrew
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on March 05, 2016, 12:24:42 PM
I also had some 10T tanker kits as well

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/7/thumb_35919.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=35919)

Once the shells are glued together, the advice from Robbie is to remove the horizontal rib from the tanker (think I need to invest in a finer file!)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/7/thumb_35936.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=35936)

This wee project fulfils my desire to have traffic local to the area on the layout, whether it is coal traffic or hydrocarbons or other
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on March 05, 2016, 12:27:49 PM
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/7/thumb_35937.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=35937)

Thankfully, these ones did not test my colour matching abilities  :-[

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/7/thumb_35958.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=35958)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on March 05, 2016, 12:36:33 PM
Not sure why I am doing them in groups of 3 mind......

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/7/thumb_35964.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=35964)

No 2 tanker (on the right) has suffered a bit of transfer damage during application, but hoping to touch this up a bit more (or disguise with weathering) to improve the look of it
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Chris in Prague on March 05, 2016, 01:33:13 PM
Another fine job, Andrew. I'd recommend practising weathering on an old van, etc., first, before tackling your new stock. The van body can then be used as a grounded van body somewhere on your layout.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: wookie on March 05, 2016, 04:21:24 PM
Nice looking tankers  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on March 05, 2016, 04:49:48 PM
Thanks Wookie, having seen the quality of work on your layout, that gives me confidence to keep trying!

Cheers,
Andrew
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on March 05, 2016, 04:57:22 PM
The patience was rewarded (on 2 counts.... a sunny hour in March too!)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/6/thumb_36362.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=36362)

The lesser spotted Woodtink   :camera:   :beers:
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: wookie on March 05, 2016, 06:10:17 PM
Thanks Wookie, having seen the quality of work on your layout, that gives me confidence to keep trying!


Thanks but I don't have a clue what I'm doing half the time! hahahaha
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on March 05, 2016, 06:20:40 PM
 :D
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Chris in Prague on March 05, 2016, 06:26:07 PM
Great to see work on your full-size van progressing nicely, Andrew.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Rabbitaway on March 05, 2016, 07:23:17 PM
Andrew

If you use some fine piano wire for brace rod it improves the wagon

(http://i737.photobucket.com/albums/xx20/Rabbitaway/Model%20Railway/SAM_6855.jpg)


Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Mito on March 05, 2016, 09:02:34 PM
Those transfers look excellent and well applied. Got Robbies web site bookmarked. "Another thing to do" added to the list! :D
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Chris in Prague on March 05, 2016, 09:07:40 PM
Those transfers look excellent and well applied. Got Robbies website bookmarked. "Another thing to do" added to the list! :D

I noticed that they have one for "PICKFORDS" containers which would be attractive models to have, Brian.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Mito on March 05, 2016, 09:20:24 PM
Those transfers look excellent and well applied. Got Robbies website bookmarked. "Another thing to do" added to the list! :D

I noticed that they have one for "PICKFORDS" containers which would be attractive models to have, Brian.

He also has transfers for "Somerset Coalfields" for putting on 7 plank wagons. So much to do. :'(
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Chris in Prague on March 05, 2016, 09:24:36 PM
I did not see the "Somerset Coalfields"; that would be ideal. The next parcel was already going to contain some undercoated 7-plank wagons. I guess they should be in white undercoat if the lettering is in white? We will also need to work out how many we will need for your layout and "through" running, Brian. (But, Perthshire, may have its local suppliers of Steam Coal?)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Mito on March 05, 2016, 10:46:49 PM
Got the name wrong, it's "Somerset Collieries". (SW 086) There is only one running number but it might be possible to get several numbers.
http://www.robbiesrollingstock.co.uk/images/S_West/Somerset_N.jpg (http://www.robbiesrollingstock.co.uk/images/S_West/Somerset_N.jpg)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Chris in Prague on March 05, 2016, 10:47:43 PM
Got the name wrong, it's "Somerset Collieries". (SW 086) There is only one running number but it might be possible to get several numbers.
[url]http://www.robbiesrollingstock.co.uk/images/S_West/Somerset_N.jpg[/url] ([url]http://www.robbiesrollingstock.co.uk/images/S_West/Somerset_N.jpg[/url])


Thanks, Brian. That name makes more sense but you'sd have to change RADSTOCK?
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on March 06, 2016, 06:00:16 AM
Andrew

If you use some fine piano wire for brace rod it improves the wagon

([url]http://i737.photobucket.com/albums/xx20/Rabbitaway/Model%20Railway/SAM_6855.jpg[/url])


That's a neat touch, will keep that in mind, thanks for that
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on March 06, 2016, 06:04:46 AM
Got the name wrong, it's "Somerset Collieries". (SW 086) There is only one running number but it might be possible to get several numbers.
[url]http://www.robbiesrollingstock.co.uk/images/S_West/Somerset_N.jpg[/url] ([url]http://www.robbiesrollingstock.co.uk/images/S_West/Somerset_N.jpg[/url])


Thanks Brian, yes .. I think he does change the running number if you buy multiples of the same one, he did this on the Guinness & Ebano tankers & I got a few multiples of coal wagons (Callendar Coal Company) and he has sent No 400 & No 399
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on March 06, 2016, 06:12:12 AM
I did not see the "Somerset Coalfields"; that would be ideal. The next parcel was already going to contain some undercoated 7-plank wagons. I guess they should be in white undercoat if the lettering is in white? We will also need to work out how many we will need for your layout and "through" running, Brian. (But, Perthshire, may have its local suppliers of Steam Coal?)

Thanks Chris, will definitely have a few test pieces before I try anything on the finished ones.  As for local coal suppliers.... with the neighbouring Fife coal fields (now a shadow of their former glory sadly), there is no shortage of fine local examples to choose from, that said, quality coal from the south is well thought of by the PRPS footplate crews :)

Just to follow up on what I said about running numbers... might be better to specifically ask for the different numbers, as I notice in the picture of the ones I bought, there are 2 pickfords ones & they are both No 28, but I got a few Fox removals & they have different container numbers - as do some of the others, but the 2 Southern Region ones are the same number

From the one container I have done so far, would advise that some of the sharp features of the kit (if you use the peco kit as a base) need filed down in advance
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Chris in Prague on March 06, 2016, 08:34:08 AM
Thanks, Andrew, food for thought. For the "Somerset Collieries" 7-plank wagons, we would need a range of running numbers but they can include duplicates for 'through' running.

It sounds like it might be easier, then, for me to post the unpainted 7-plank wagons to Brian (Mito) and for him to do any necessary filing then spraypaint them with some locally bought acrylic white undercoat prior to applying the transfers?

For the "PICKFORDS" Conflat Containers, I agree, there would need to be some filing and sanding before applying transfers.

For the transfers which we plan to make for our various West Country PO wagons and vans, I was planning to make the background transparent. However, to make the text stand out it looks like part of the bodyside will need to be overpainted in matt white? It looks like we will need to try a prototype, first.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Rabbitaway on March 06, 2016, 02:53:10 PM
Andrew

I have done a good few wagons with Robbie's transfers

I found that the best results for 10ft tanks are the ones with silver backgrounds

Examples below

(http://i737.photobucket.com/albums/xx20/Rabbitaway/Model%20Railway/SAM_6483.jpg) (http://s737.photobucket.com/user/Rabbitaway/media/Model%20Railway/SAM_6483.jpg.html)

(http://i737.photobucket.com/albums/xx20/Rabbitaway/Model%20Railway/SAM_6276.jpg) (http://s737.photobucket.com/user/Rabbitaway/media/Model%20Railway/SAM_6276.jpg.html)

(http://i737.photobucket.com/albums/xx20/Rabbitaway/Model%20Railway/SAM_6852.jpg) (http://s737.photobucket.com/user/Rabbitaway/media/Model%20Railway/SAM_6852.jpg.html)

The seven plank wagons take careful application of decal fix to get the transfers to bed in!

(http://i737.photobucket.com/albums/xx20/Rabbitaway/Model%20Railway/SAM_6481.jpg) (http://s737.photobucket.com/user/Rabbitaway/media/Model%20Railway/SAM_6481.jpg.html)


Thanks
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on March 06, 2016, 03:22:01 PM
Some nice work there Rabbitaway, the Pumpherson Oil ones look good, I have 3 of them partly finished - but ran out of 10 Tne kits!

Thanks for sharing, I have a few of the 7 plank ones to do once I finish the tanks, so will heed your caution

Cheers,
Andrew
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Rabbitaway on March 06, 2016, 06:39:06 PM
Thanks Andrew

I have a number of Scottish based wagons with Robbie's transfers - photos are on another post on the forum

They provide great unusual wagons instead of the available RTR versions 

Only non Scottish is the Thames Haven tank wagon - I worked in the area where the refinery is now demolished a few years ago so it is a bit of a favourite!

 :)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Mito on March 06, 2016, 06:53:16 PM
They are very good transfers. I was thinking of making some homemade ones but it might be better to see if Robbie would make some up.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on March 06, 2016, 07:34:39 PM
Thanks Andrew

I have a number of Scottish based wagons with Robbie's transfers - photos are on another post on the forum

They provide great unusual wagons instead of the available RTR versions 

Only non Scottish is the Thames Haven tank wagon - I worked in the area where the refinery is now demolished a few years ago so it is a bit of a favourite!

 :)

not found that thread, do you have a link to it?  sounds a good one
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Rabbitaway on March 06, 2016, 07:38:58 PM
Andrew

Link below 

http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=22317.msg252794#msg252794 (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=22317.msg252794#msg252794)

Thanks

Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on March 06, 2016, 07:44:47 PM
They are very good transfers. I was thinking of making some homemade ones but it might be better to see if Robbie would make some up.

Think you might be right Brian, I bought a sheet of transfer paper to try some, but think it might all be consumed in the trial & error phase!
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: ScottyStitch on March 07, 2016, 04:14:01 PM
The patience was rewarded (on 2 counts.... a sunny hour in March too!)

([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/6/thumb_36362.JPG[/url]) ([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=36362[/url])

The lesser spotted Woodtink   :camera:   :beers:


These vans were surprisingly roomy inside, huh? Plenty headroom.....
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: ScottyStitch on March 07, 2016, 04:15:33 PM
I did not see the "Somerset Coalfields"; that would be ideal. The next parcel was already going to contain some undercoated 7-plank wagons. I guess they should be in white undercoat if the lettering is in white? We will also need to work out how many we will need for your layout and "through" running, Brian. (But, Perthshire, may have its local suppliers of Steam Coal?)

Almost certainly from the Fife Collieries...
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: ScottyStitch on March 07, 2016, 04:21:40 PM
Thanks Andrew

I have a number of Scottish based wagons with Robbie's transfers - photos are on another post on the forum

They provide great unusual wagons instead of the available RTR versions 

Only non Scottish is the Thames Haven tank wagon - I worked in the area where the refinery is now demolished a few years ago so it is a bit of a favourite!

 :)

Harburn Hobbies do a nice range of Scottish wagons. Well worth a look on their website. Or if you are in Embra anytime, pop down Leith Walk. Lovely little model shop.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on March 07, 2016, 05:49:21 PM
Thanks Scott

It is a fantastic wee shop, I still have the rejection letter from 30+ years ago when I applied for a Saturday job there  :'(

The 2 Scottish & Newcastle tankers & the 2 Edinburgh Distillers covered wagons were from their fine selection :)

unfortunately, the last picture of the van shows it without a floor in it.... should till be ok for headroom though, as we are not going to replace the 3" floorboards that were in it originally, will be more like 3/4".... (don't think I will be like Maurits and have 12Tne's of computer controlled track (& more helices than Juraassic Park) on my layout)  :D  and it is about 2.5m at the walls

Cheers,
Andrew
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on March 07, 2016, 06:39:54 PM
My own attempt at the Pumpherston Oil Tanker

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/7/thumb_35961.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=35961)

Still a work in progress, but quite pleased with the colour match (but not the lighting for the photo!)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/7/thumb_35962.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=35962)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Mito on March 07, 2016, 09:05:20 PM
The decals look very good. What printer did you use?
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on March 08, 2016, 05:48:12 AM
The decals look very good. What printer did you use?

These are from Robbie's Rolling Stock too - I have not tried any self-created ones yet
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on March 08, 2016, 08:33:22 PM
With the recent good news about progress on the PRPS new location, the members set about organising some of the rolling stock in readiness for movements later this year

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/7/thumb_35868.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=35868)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/7/thumb_35869.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=35869)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on March 08, 2016, 08:38:54 PM
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/7/thumb_35870.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=35870)

Some more movements to post (in the absence of any actual construction!) in the coming days
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Chris in Prague on March 08, 2016, 08:53:37 PM
A fine collection of what looks like Peco BR "Railfreight" wagons and vans, Andrew. I did not know that you had these. If I had known, I would not have included a Peco LWB "Railfreight" van in the rake that's on its way. Just as well that I did not add a Peco LWB ex-SR "Tarpaulin" BR "Railfreight" wagon, too! However, if you don't have a Peco SWB BR "Railfreight" van, I do have a spare one of those, brand new in its original packaging, I can send in the next small parcel? Glad to see that you also have the matching Peco guard's van.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on March 09, 2016, 03:21:38 PM
Thanks Chris, the motto I am employing in all my rolling stock areas is "the more the merrier" :) (it helps justify the large layout to run it all on) :)   I thought I did have a SWB railfreight van, but think they were out of stock when I bought the guards van & a couple of the others, so that is confusing me a bit!  I like those ex SR tarpaulin vans, have got my eye out on ebay for some.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Chris in Prague on March 09, 2016, 03:49:35 PM
Thanks, Andrew. I'll reply to your PM about extra rolling stock. There are certainly already many possibilities for 'through' running, later this year. 8-)

I'm very fond of the Peco ex-SR High-sided "Tarpaulin" wagons, too, and have them in a variety of liveries: original Peco ones: BR "Ferry Wagon", BR "Railfreight" and SR; plus BR Bauxite (Early) and BR Bauxite (Late), as well as "Castle Estates" (both original and later, lighter blue) and "Castle Brewery" which are my own variants. With a lot of the Peco wagons and vans there is a certain amount of 'artistic licence' but I'm happy to apply 'Rule One' and invent a 'back story' where required! 8-)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on March 09, 2016, 04:26:33 PM
With some further respite from the rain, the rebuild of B769316 continues at a good pace!

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/6/thumb_36483.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=36483)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/6/thumb_36484.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=36484)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on March 09, 2016, 04:30:28 PM
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/6/thumb_36485.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=36485)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/6/thumb_36486.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=36486)

The external paint is ordered (thanks Chris) and I am reliably informed that the electrical bits for the internal wiring arrived today too, so there will be no excused now..... but looking at that sky, thinking that we should get the roof on soon!
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Chris in Prague on March 09, 2016, 04:39:00 PM
Very good progress, Andrew but, yes, a temporary tarpaulin 'roof', at least, would be wise.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on March 09, 2016, 07:21:09 PM
some coaches managed to get mixed up with all the freight stock

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/7/thumb_35879.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=35879)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/7/thumb_35880.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=35880)

..... with the power of the photograph revealing some roof alignment being required!
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Chris in Prague on March 09, 2016, 07:50:45 PM
Good evening, Andrew. Thanks for this latest update. A nice enthusiasts' special. (However, getting to and from the Buffet, not to mention the lack of lavatories might be a problem!) It looks like an original Graham Farish, made in Poole, BR WR Chocolate & Cream livery Mark 1 RMB (Restaurant Mini Buffet), followed by two original Graham Farish generic Suburban coaches in GWR livery (which I also like; the GWS, Bodmin, have at least one 'preserved', so that's another possibility for 'through' running). I'm not sure who else has Graham Farish generic Suburban coaches in GWR livery but I think Brian (Mito) does? With a little 'artistic licence', the WR RMB can also work 'through' but most of 'us' (Brian, John, Martin, and I) have the second (the first China-made ones with enhanced details) or even third generation (latest) Graham Farish versions. The roofs on the original Graham Farish generic Suburban coaches are, in my experience, often loose.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Mito on March 09, 2016, 08:28:47 PM
I've got LMS generic coaches but no GWR if I remember correctly. I've also got a rake of generic custard and cream mainline coaches. I must make a list of what I've got. :hmmm:
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on March 10, 2016, 11:42:38 AM
Good evening, Andrew. Thanks for this latest update. A nice enthusiasts' special. (However, getting to and from the Buffet, not to mention the lack of lavatories might be a problem!) It looks like an original Graham Farish, made in Poole, BR WR Chocolate & Cream livery Mark 1 RMB (Restaurant Mini Buffet), followed by two original Graham Farish generic Suburban coaches in GWR livery (which I also like; the GWS, Bodmin, have at least one 'preserved', so that's another possibility for 'through' running). I'm not sure who else has Graham Farish generic Suburban coaches in GWR livery but I think Brian (Mito) does? With a little 'artistic licence', the WR RMB can also work 'through' but most of 'us' (Brian, John, Martin, and I) have the second (the first China-made ones with enhanced details) or even third generation (latest) Graham Farish versions. The roofs on the original Graham Farish generic Suburban coaches are, in my experience, often loose.

Thanks Chris, thankfully this was only a shunting manoeuvre, so no-one was caught short or missed out on refreshments  :beers: but the yard team do need to be mindful of these things when proper operations resume later this year!
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on March 10, 2016, 12:02:06 PM
With busy times ahead, the rolling stock team have been hard at work organising all the wagons, it is hoped that they will be transporting their assigned products very soon, the Blackford Petroleum company refinery shutdown is going well and construction of the new production units is on schedule.  The Shell/BP  (Blackford Petroleum !ahem!) is first out of the yard, hauled by the societies new class 37 loco in Petroleum Sector livery

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/7/thumb_35872.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=35872)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/7/thumb_35873.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=35873)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/7/thumb_35874.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=35874)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on March 11, 2016, 02:12:58 PM
The assembled train that will be used to fulfil the National Benzole contract  - the society might have to source another petroleum sector loco!

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/7/thumb_35875.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=35875)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/7/thumb_35876.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=35876)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Ozymandias on March 11, 2016, 02:40:50 PM
Some properly fabulous modelling going on on this thread! :) And as for the final location of the layout... envious isn't the word!!  :greatpicturessign:
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on March 11, 2016, 06:59:30 PM
That is high praise indeed Oz, thank you very much - I might need to pick your brains about some liveries and transfers

Cheers   :beers:

Andrew
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Ozymandias on March 11, 2016, 09:10:28 PM
That is high praise indeed Oz, thank you very much - I might need to pick your brains about some liveries and transfers

Cheers   :beers:

Andrew

Pick away - I'd be delighted to help! :)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Chris in Prague on March 14, 2016, 09:56:32 AM
Thanks for these latest updates, Andrew. Those are two very impressive rakes of petrol tankers. Are the Shell & BP ones, Minitrix? I have at least one of those and they are very attractive models indeed. Yes, it looks like another BR Railfreight Petroleum Sector Class 37 might come in very useful! 8-)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Chris in Prague on March 14, 2016, 10:09:30 AM
The Cornish Loco Preservation Group (CLPG) at Cant Cove have newly outshopped a LMS REFRIGERATOR van especially for their friends' demonstration LMS goods train and the van is due to be sent to Perthshire with an overhauled BR "Railfreight" ex-SR "Tarpaulin" high-sided wagon and a BR "Express Parcels" LWB van in the next special goods train. (Picture taken at Cant Cove goods yard.)

(http://i1060.photobucket.com/albums/t449/chrisinprague/2016-03-14%2009.49.02_zpsu2rwxnar.jpg) (http://s1060.photobucket.com/user/chrisinprague/media/2016-03-14%2009.49.02_zpsu2rwxnar.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on March 14, 2016, 06:41:46 PM
they look fab Chris, thanks for the photo :)

Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Chris in Prague on March 15, 2016, 07:52:03 PM
they look fab Chris, thanks for the photo :)

Thanks, Andrew. As soon as I have time, I'll post a picture of the other wagons and vans that will be in the special goods train for Perthshire: some preserved stock, some BR stock, and some PO stock.

Best regards,
Chris
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on March 19, 2016, 01:03:43 PM
The PRPS finally has a roof over its head  :beers:

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/6/thumb_36828.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=36828)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/6/thumb_36829.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=36829)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/6/thumb_36830.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=36830)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Chris in Prague on March 19, 2016, 01:12:49 PM
Thanks for the latest update, Andrew. That's looking very good, indeed. Excellent progress. Soon you'll be able to get mains electricity installed?
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on March 19, 2016, 01:51:30 PM
Thanks Chris, several large boxes have arrived that contain all the necessary sockets, switches, cable & consumer box (my partners cousin, the electrical engineer of the family, has conveniently looked the other way) - the paint for the outside is also enroute :)  the membership of the PRPS are getting very excited at the prospect of laying some permanent way in the very near future!

meanwhile, shunting activities continue

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/7/thumb_35881.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=35881)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/7/thumb_35882.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=35882)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Chris in Prague on March 19, 2016, 02:21:22 PM
Good afternoon, Andrew, my late father was an electrical and electronic engineer (like my landlord but unlike me, I can only wire a plug) so I do hope that you will have a professional installing the mains electricity supply.

The latest oil tankers look really good. The white-rimmed wheels are a nice added touch.

Seeing your GWR livery 94XX pannier tank has reminded me that the GWS (Bodmin) now has a surplus BR Black Early Crest 45XX (bought as a bargain but really not needed as I already have a Dapol BR Black Early Crest 45XX plus a BR Plain Green Early Crest one and a BR Black Early Crest 4575 for 1950s trains).

I think we will need your help to produce transfers for all our West Country PO vans and wagons.

Best regards,
Chris
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on March 29, 2016, 09:36:19 PM
Much excitement on the PRPS  today, with the West Country consignment rolling in :)   :beers:

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/5/thumb_37379.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=37379)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/5/thumb_37380.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=37380)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/5/thumb_37381.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=37381)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/5/thumb_37382.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=37382)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/5/thumb_37383.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=37383)

Everyone is looking forward to the first designated through train :)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on March 29, 2016, 09:38:21 PM
And there is a semblance of a floor appearing too :)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/5/thumb_37378.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=37378)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Chris in Prague on March 29, 2016, 10:00:19 PM
That's great news about the van floor, Andrew, now being under construction. Many thanks for the photos. The light blue goods wagons and vans are an (almost) complete selection of the "Castle Estates" goods rolling stock. All that is missing is a "Tube" low-sided LWB "Ferry" wagon, a LWB Twin-bolster timber wagon, (and a SWB Refrigerated / Insulated Van), but I have 5 and 3 respectively of these to spray and handpaint, this summer, so one of each of the first two will be travelling to Perthshire, later. (Maybe, also a SWB van if a suitable one arrives.) There will, also, later be more of the West Country PO wagons and vans, but, probably not until early summer, I'm afraid.

Sorry to see that, on the BR Early Bauxite twin bolster wagon the (plastic) prongs got bent in transit. However, with care, they should be able to be returned to their upright position, There are very nice olive twig 'logs' available from Brian (Mito) in Spain for the timber wagons: both the twin and the pairs of single-bolster ones.

The Dark Blue BR Standard Ventilated Van is in the "Castle Brewery" livery and was carrying, in addition to a full range of "Castle Ales" and "Headland Ales", the two breweries' contenders for the celebration beer for the former brewery, now whisky distillery, nearby.

Nice to see an original Southern Railway Bulleid Pacific at the head of the train.

The two BR Maroon coaches, CK and BCK are, I hope, going to also make their appearance?

I will post pictures of the additional 3 BR "Express Parcels" vans, at Cant Cove, including the two weathered ones. They are waiting along with a lot of other items for me to have a silver buffer painting session!

The first "through" special passenger trains from / to Cornwall are also eagerly anticipated as is the commencement of regular goods services. (The "Castle Estates" ex-SR "Tarpaulin" LWB high-sided Ferry wagon can, now, work through to Port Regleun, Brittany.) The "Chelsea Girls" may well pay a visit, too, later this year. 8-)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on April 24, 2016, 09:16:33 AM
After a bit of a battle to upload photo's, can finally show the 2 BR Maroon coaches that will feature in the CLPG railtours later in the year :)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/3/thumb_38542.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=38542)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/3/thumb_38543.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=38543)

They are shown here hauled by the loco 34035 "Shaftesbury" - this loco will soon be sent to the PRPS paint shop to be re-liveried as 34085 "501 Squadron" with Golden Arrow insignia also.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on April 24, 2016, 09:22:19 AM
With a disappointing lull in the construction of the PRPS future home, attention turned to the outside

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/3/thumb_38541.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=38541)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Caz on April 24, 2016, 11:20:08 AM
Now that is looking good, seems like you've replaced the whole side. 
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: GaryAlan on April 24, 2016, 12:42:59 PM
Absolutely bostin thread, both the layout and the wagon, very nice:)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: cornish yorkie on April 24, 2016, 12:55:08 PM
 :hellosign: Nicely progressing Andrew, thanks for the  :greatpicturessign:
regards Derek.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on April 24, 2016, 04:08:04 PM
Now that is looking good, seems like you've replaced the whole side.

Thanks Caz, yes, have replaced the sides & roof so far and blasted back & painted all the internal metalwork - floor joists are in, but hit a hold up on getting floorboards prepared... hoping that it will kick on again soon so I can get onto building the baseboards :)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on April 24, 2016, 04:10:14 PM
Thanks for the kind comments :) :beers:
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Chris in Prague on April 24, 2016, 07:00:45 PM
 :thankyousign: Andrew, for the photos. of the two Minitrix BR Maroon coaches ready for "through" working to Southwest England. 8-)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Chris in Prague on April 24, 2016, 07:43:32 PM
Looking forward to seeing your BR Standard 5MT 4-6-0. Will it also be a BR Lined Green one or did you prefer the Lined Black or BR SR named one?
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on April 24, 2016, 08:12:32 PM
I confess I went for the lined green one too.... realised that I have a lot of loco's in black!
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on April 25, 2016, 02:04:13 PM
With the ever growing friendships with their Cornish friends, the PRPS were pleased to carry out a trial run with their recently acquired Bulleid light pacific & limited set of vintage Pullman coaches - the society are very confident of adding a few more coaches in the very near future

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/3/thumb_38544.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=38544)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/3/thumb_38545.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=38545)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/2/thumb_38581.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=38581)

At a recent members gathering at the noble establishment, the "Craigrossie Hotel" on Auchterarder's (the longest village in Scotland) high street, some discontent was heard from the more nationalistic members about the amount of energy currently being spent by the society on acquiring loco's and rolling stock from "doon sooth"
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Chris in Prague on April 25, 2016, 02:24:32 PM
Thanks for the update, Andrew. The "Golden Arrow" is coming along very nicely. The BR SR Green BG is required for all the passengers' luggage although as the "Bournemouth Pullman" for a while had a 'borrowed' BR WR Chocolate & Cream BG that is another (although non-prototypical for the "GA") possibility

Arguments about what to preserve, and what to have overhauled and in what order of priority, are not unknown in Cornwall either. However, even as far as Cornwall, rumours that coaches in Caledonian Railway livery are being sought for Perthshire have been heard and the Wadebridge Yardmaster has been asking his contacts within BR for help for the CLPG's Scottish friends' quest.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on April 26, 2016, 01:17:27 PM
With the recent rumblings from certain sections of the members.... perhaps today was not the best day to announce new additions to the SR demonstration goods train.....

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/2/thumb_38613.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=38613)


(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/2/thumb_38611.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=38611)


(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/2/thumb_38612.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=38612)

It is hoped that the full train can be displayed soon
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on April 26, 2016, 01:40:28 PM
With all the recent focus on steam driven motive power, it was a welcome change when the PRPS diesel group were able to announce the completed overhauls of 2 of the several damaged Class 31's (Brush Type 2's) they recently took possession of. 

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/2/thumb_38582.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=38582)

These 2 loco's were in good cosmetic condition and only needed relatively minor mechanical overhauls to get them running smoothly again.  Unfortunately, due to a mix up in the paint shop.... they both bear the same running number D5518!  Discussions are ongoing about what liveries & numbering that should be applied to the loco's being overhauled and whether to keep them or dispose of them to other locations.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Chris in Prague on April 26, 2016, 07:26:37 PM
The demonstration SR Goods Train looks very good, Andrew.

The two Brush Class 31s look good, too. I cannot remember ever seeing one in BR Blue with a small yellow warning panel, though. D5579 in 1962 carried an experimental Golden Ochre (also described as 'Bronze Gold') livery (not the same as the Golden Ochre livery on D1015), and that might be nice to model instead. Alternatively, at the same time, D5578 carried an experimental blue livery (more like Turquoise) described as 'Light Electric Blue'.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on April 26, 2016, 09:29:14 PM
I had better check the one behind is the one I think it is then :)  I acquired 3 of the class 31's in blue and 2 in green, 2 of the blue ones were D5518 & one had the TOPS numbering.... will check and update (in a few weeks time  :'( )
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Chris in Prague on April 26, 2016, 09:43:04 PM
I don't think Lima made a model of their Class 31 in 'Light Electric Blue', Andrew, but could be wrong. I think they just produced models of D5518 in the two types of BR Blue livery. Are these the only two of the five that were 'restorable' or were they just the first ones to go through the 'works'? There were examples in BR Green with full yellow ends, white bodyside lining and white BR double arrows which would make an interesting variant to model. (I think they were for Royal Train use on the SR as the SR Class 33s had no steam-heating capability to take racing day specials to Tattenham Corner.)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on April 27, 2016, 09:30:49 AM
These were the 1st pair of the 5 or so Lima Class 31's coming through the repair shop (also have a couple of J39's, Coronation Class "City of Stoke", 2 9F's, couple of class 43's and a Hall).  The PRPS rescue & recovery team have also been very succssful of late in acquiring several more loco's that were destined for the scrapyard, more on this to come!

One of the blue ones has became a parts donor & I didnt have a chance to start looking at the green ones - I will double check when I get home, but from the photos I have, in one job lot there were 3 loco's all with different shades of blue & the small yellow warning panel and all numbered D5518!  They may of course have been repainted at some stage.  I think the Green ones I have will be a bit trickier to resore, but  I will give them a go.

Thanks for the suggestions on livery choices certainly quite a bit of choice - I am going to have to practice one or two first though
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on April 27, 2016, 10:45:30 AM
A lull in construction activity allowed some freight movments in the temporary yard

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/2/thumb_38583.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=38583)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/2/thumb_38584.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=38584)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/2/thumb_38585.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=38585)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Chris in Prague on April 27, 2016, 07:45:29 PM
Thanks for these photos., Andrew. There are some very nice rakes, there. I'd forgotten that you also had a Shepherd Neame brewery van.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: port perran on April 27, 2016, 07:59:49 PM
Thanks for the photos.
Good to see a SN brewery van.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: cornish yorkie on April 27, 2016, 11:19:15 PM
E :hellosign: :greatpicturessign: looking really good, thanks for sharing
regards Derek.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on April 28, 2016, 02:50:45 PM
More shunting activities, this time a rake of 3 Pumpherston Oil Tankers recently completed by the paint shop

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/2/thumb_38586.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=38586)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/2/thumb_38608.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=38608)

Transfers suppleid by Robbies Rolling Stock & clumsily applied by the PRPS :)  I really need to fill those little holes where the ladders go if I am not going to use the ladders that come with the kits!  The scaffolders had clearly modified the height of the working platform which must have confused the painters when they did the middle one  :doh:
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on April 29, 2016, 09:09:51 PM
A rake of BR Bauxite ferry wagons ready for action

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/2/thumb_38609.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=38609)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on April 29, 2016, 09:18:03 PM
With more than a nod to the recent grumblings about "less then Scottish" acquisitions, the parade of the CR 2-6-2 Fairburn Tank loco and the PRPS's Caledonian Rly Suburban coaches was met with great excitement and all round approval

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/2/thumb_38614.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=38614)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/2/thumb_38620.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=38620)

The society has also made it known that they are actively pursuing further rolling stock acquisitions (coaches & wagons) and hope to have some good news on this front soon.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on May 04, 2016, 10:06:24 AM
Some parcel traffic meandering through Perthshire

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/2/thumb_38623.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=38623)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/2/thumb_38627.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=38627)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/2/thumb_38630.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=38630)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/2/thumb_38632.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=38632)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/2/thumb_38633.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=38633)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/2/thumb_38634.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=38634)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Chris in Prague on May 04, 2016, 09:55:03 PM
Thanks, Andrew, another very nice selection of rolling stock. Soon, I hope, a BR Blue Siphon G can be added to the parcel's rake. (Then you'll need an ex-SR CCT. . . ) That looks like an ex-LNER Gresley 61 6 Full Brake with the 'GAND' on the door, a nice kit.

The Caledonian Railway coaches certainly look very good indeed behind the CR-liveried 2-6-4T (which seems to have a wheel off the track -- a mistake I made in some earlier photos., now I have to check very closely!
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: cornish yorkie on May 05, 2016, 10:10:02 AM
 :hellosign: Very nice Andrew, thanks for the  :greatpicturessign:
regards Derek.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on May 06, 2016, 08:18:35 AM
Thanks Derek, thanks Chris, wish I had more to post on actual construction!  but the lesser spotted woodtink has emerged from his April hibernation and has threatened to arrive onsite next week to start laying the floorboards that he has been preparing this week :)

I am now able to spot the Thompson BG :)  came in a job lot, only recognise it now because I have ordered one of the NGS ones in LNER teak.  (not sure what the significance of "GAND" is though) - my knowledge of coaching stock is definitely improving with your help Chris!
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Chris in Prague on May 06, 2016, 08:32:09 AM
Good morning, Andrew. Good news about the van floorboards, I hope.

I plan (maybe this summer?) to buy, assemble, and paint, with John, the NGS three-pack of Gresley 61' 6" Full Brake (BG)s: two will be spraypainted in BR Crimson or Maroon (not decided yet) then lined for John and I and one, in plain BR Blue for John (he will, probably do the BR Blue spraying). The kits are not cheap. I don't think the originals were ever painted in BR Blue and Grey so you may want to consider stripping your Gresley 61 6 Full Brake and respraying it? (Then you can also apply the correct transfers, e.g. GUARD, but I don't think, in the BR Blue period they carried guards, just parcels.) A Gresley 61 6 Full Brake in LNER Teak will certainly look very impressive but I don't envy you achieving the teak finish!

I hope that, this summer, you'll be able to start on your layout (and Derek on his) and I'll be able to restart work on Cant Cove.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Mito on May 06, 2016, 09:07:33 PM
Is this of interest?
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Graham-Farish-2F-Caledonian-Railways-4-4-0-Locomotive-N-Gauge-/111988833176?hash=item1a130dfb98:g:EmkAAOSwiYFXLHa6 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Graham-Farish-2F-Caledonian-Railways-4-4-0-Locomotive-N-Gauge-/111988833176?hash=item1a130dfb98:g:EmkAAOSwiYFXLHa6)
Cheers, Brian
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on May 08, 2016, 09:57:05 PM
Thanks Brian, I already have this one, and it runs ok, just needs a bit of a service, the maintenance sheds are full of much more desperate souls in need of repair, so she is a wee bit down the queue!

Thanks for the heads up though, that one had not come through my searches

Cheers,
Andrew
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on May 08, 2016, 10:11:58 PM
Good morning, Andrew. Good news about the van floorboards, I hope.

I plan (maybe this summer?) to buy, assemble, and paint, with John, the NGS three-pack of Gresley 61' 6" Full Brake (BG)s: two will be spraypainted in BR Crimson or Maroon (not decided yet) then lined for John and I and one, in plain BR Blue for John (he will, probably do the BR Blue spraying). The kits are not cheap. I don't think the originals were ever painted in BR Blue and Grey so you may want to consider stripping your Gresley 61 6 Full Brake and respraying it? (Then you can also apply the correct transfers, e.g. GUARD, but I don't think, in the BR Blue period they carried guards, just parcels.) A Gresley 61 6 Full Brake in LNER Teak will certainly look very impressive but I don't envy you achieving the teak finish!

I hope that, this summer, you'll be able to start on your layout (and Derek on his) and I'll be able to restart work on Cant Cove.

Thanks Chris, look forward to seeing those kits evolve - I could have sworn it was a Thompson BG as it seemed to match the "soon to be available" Thompson BG's from NGS rather than the Gresley .... I really must stop trying to sound knowledgeable about coaching stock  :doh:  It is quite a thickly applied coat of paint, am slightly tempted to to strip it back, not sure I would do justice to the teak though!  Thanks for the highly rational explanation of "Gand"

Tomorrow was the threatened sighting of the Carpenter... will update the thread if there is any news!
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on May 08, 2016, 10:17:05 PM
A mainstay of the operation of the mainline adjacent to the PRPS will be freight, post, parcels, hydrocarbons, coal, beers & spirits, milk.... I basically intend to condense all of Scotland's exports into one small area of Perth!  There will of course be several ridiculously long trains of Salt wagons and removal conflats (I am thinking along the lines of royal household transfers between Balmoral & Windsor...) 

Here are some Conflat's on less regal service

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/2/thumb_38636.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=38636)

Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on May 08, 2016, 10:32:21 PM
In the same vein, there will also be a regular service of chemical tankers, taking product from Grangemouth & farther afield to the industrial heartlands of Aberdeen & Dundee

This is all I have managed to assemble (as in acquire, for the 1st 2 photos!) so far, but with the help of a couple of rainy days & the remainder of the transfers I have from Robbie, it will get more impressive!

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/2/thumb_38637.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=38637)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/2/thumb_38638.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=38638)

These one's below are Peco kits & Robbie's Transfers.... and you will see what I mean about not filling in the small slot in the side of the tank where the external ladder would go (if you don't intend to use the ladder, which I don't). 

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/2/thumb_38644.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=38644)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/2/thumb_38645.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=38645)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/2/thumb_38651.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=38651)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/2/thumb_38652.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=38652)

The "good thing" about posting things like this on the forum is that you immediately see the faults... 20 milliseconds after you click "post"  - I must be  more careful with extreme close up's... it makes the lines on the tankers look off  ::)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on May 09, 2016, 10:40:34 PM
With the sun shining high in Perthshire today (allegedly!), the inspectors felt it time they got out on the rails to check for any signs of warping.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/2/thumb_38639.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=38639)

 (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/2/thumb_38640.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=38640)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Chris in Prague on May 09, 2016, 10:57:58 PM
Thanks for the latest updates, Andrew. There are some very attractive goods wagons there, plus, a very nice Inspection Saloon (I have the Early BR Livery version.) Yes, close-up photos. are terrible for showing up the slightest imperfections that are invisible at normal viewing distance.

There will be more PO Conflat Containers coming from Cornwall and Somerset, this summer, to add to your collection, as well as some others, too, I'm sure.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: port perran on May 10, 2016, 08:26:13 AM
Very nice pictures Andrew.
Some interesting stock you have there.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on May 10, 2016, 06:37:34 PM
The Carriage & Wagons Works were pleased to display the recently refurbished 6 wheeled Stove 

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/2/thumb_38641.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=38641)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Chris in Prague on May 10, 2016, 07:01:20 PM
Another very nice model, Andrew. I have a BR Maroon one, here and, I hope, a BR Crimson one coming.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on May 11, 2016, 12:03:12 PM
While oil, hydrocarbon products and chemical traffic will be a mainstay of the mainline through Perthshire, the PRPS were keen to display some of their own tanker traffic albeit of an older vintage and brands long gone from the petrochemical industry.

The Youngs Paraffin tankers being of particularly nostalgic value, given the contribution James Young made to the Scottish oil industry and globally through his paraffin oil & lamps - a lasting visual reminder is the huge shale bings that are scattered around West Lothian.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/2/thumb_38648.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=38648)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/2/thumb_38642.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=38642)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/2/thumb_38649.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=38649)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/2/thumb_38643.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=38643)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: port perran on May 11, 2016, 12:28:14 PM
Another very nice model, Andrew. I have a BR Maroon one, here and, I hope, a BR Crimson one coming.
Very nice. I have a maroon one.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on May 12, 2016, 02:46:27 PM
With the Folk Festival season fast approaching in Perthshire, extra capacity has been brought into the region to cope with demand  :beers:

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/2/thumb_38650.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=38650)

no idea if this is even faintly prototypical ... but I liked the look of it with the white timber bracing :)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: cornish yorkie on May 12, 2016, 09:23:02 PM
 :hellosign: Thanks for the  :greatpicturessign: a very nice collection
regards Derek.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Chris in Prague on May 13, 2016, 08:10:51 AM
Unfortunately, Guinness only used demountable tanks:

http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/gansg/7-fops/fo-grain.htm (http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/gansg/7-fops/fo-grain.htm)

These tank wagons do look very good though.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on May 13, 2016, 09:09:27 AM
Thanks for that info, very interesting

Looks like I am deep into "Rule 1" territory :)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: port perran on May 13, 2016, 09:39:06 AM
Thanks for that info, very interesting

Looks like I am deep into "Rule 1" territory :)
Rule 1 is absolutely fine I think  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Chris in Prague on May 13, 2016, 09:47:20 AM
I think "Rule One" is very easy to justify if you have a preservation society or your own 'back story'. You will need a "Guinness" road tanker though to connect up to the rail tank wagons to deliver the Stout in the area.

Those demountable beer tanks would make a fine 3D model project though.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on May 14, 2016, 08:20:35 AM
A container languishing in the goods yard, waiting collection - this was my first attempt at using transfers from Robbie

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/2/thumb_38653.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=38653)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: port perran on May 14, 2016, 09:45:16 AM
Looks pretty good to me.
That may encourage me to have a go.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Chris in Prague on May 14, 2016, 10:57:18 AM
Looks very good, Andrew. I have a lot of Peco Conflat and Container kits awaiting prepainting / painting in various PO liveries, next month, plus graphics files for transfers so if you want to produce transfers there's quite a few of us who would be most grateful! 8-)

How about some goods vans, too, in the livery of your whisky distillery as well as (Peco) grain hoppers?
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Chris in Prague on May 14, 2016, 11:21:12 AM
This picture could be useful for your "Golden Arrow" project:

http://www.gcrauctions.com/sale211/lot248.html (http://www.gcrauctions.com/sale211/lot248.html)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on May 14, 2016, 01:18:57 PM
Looks very good, Andrew. I have a lot of Peco Conflat and Container kits awaiting prepainting / painting in various PO liveries, next month, plus graphics files for transfers so if you want to produce transfers there's quite a few of us who would be most grateful! 8-)

How about some goods vans, too, in the livery of your whisky distillery as well as (Peco) grain hoppers?

I will have a go at pulling some artwork together to try the transfer printing at home, but, if you have not already done so, well worth a look at the container transfers he has at the moment.

I had not thought about painting up some other types of wagons as Tullibardine rolling stock :)  Some vans & wagons would look rather nifty, though the colour scheme might be similar to some of the others that are being developed

Thanks for the GA logo :)

Cheers,
Andrew
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on May 14, 2016, 05:25:36 PM
Whilst no official sighting has been reported, the elusive Woodtink has left some evidence that he might have visited the premises of the PRPS!

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/1/thumb_39489.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=39489)

This pile will hopefully be transformed into a lovely floor in the very near future :)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Chris in Prague on May 14, 2016, 06:53:18 PM
Good afternoon Andrew, painting some vans and wagons in Tullibardine rolling stock livery (with transfers) would be well worth doing and I'm sure that at least 3 whisky vans would soon be working south of the border!

Very glad to see that the timber for the van's flooring has safely arrived. Will the new timber will be treated with some fire retardant?

Thanks, I did study the transfers available but only, perhaps, the Pickfords Container ones caught my eye.

I plan to buy some of the NGS 1960s pre-Freightliner Containers though.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: port perran on May 14, 2016, 08:49:46 PM
As a collector (and keen consumer) of single malts, I would be interested to see some whisky vans.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on May 15, 2016, 12:10:21 PM
The last public outing of "Shaftesbury" (with its topsy turvy cabside numbering) before it goes into the paint shops to be re-modelled as 34085 "501 Squadron" - complete with Golden Arrow regalia

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/2/thumb_38647.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=38647)

The PRPS will also say farewell to this incarnation of the M7.... it will enter the paint shops to re-emerge as CR 439 class loco number 419

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/1/thumb_39517.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=39517)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Chris in Prague on May 15, 2016, 01:30:41 PM
I'm looking forward to their re-appearance, Andrew. I see that you have at least one of the Lima "GREAT WESTERN" liveried Mark 1 coaches, like Brian (Mito).
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on May 15, 2016, 02:01:52 PM
Thanks Chris.... I should be able to get the painting done.... still not bottomed out the lining & numbers/letters yet (got some of it for the GA but nothing yet for the CR)

I have a few random coaches, I really need to get them all together one of these days.... this pic was taken on my previous layout

Cheers,
Andrew
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Chris in Prague on May 15, 2016, 02:29:43 PM
Thanks for your reply, Andrew. When you get time to photograph those coaches which have not already appeared, I'd be happy to help you identify them and, if desired, advise you which to keep and which to resell?
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on May 15, 2016, 08:33:04 PM
Thanks Chris, will post some of the assembled rolling stock once I get something a bit longer so show them on!  Your help on what I have will be invaluable

As an aside, to make way for the 2 5MT's soon to arrive on shed, to ease crowding in the loco storage sheds, the PRPS has put up for sale the 0-6-0 Collett it has in its care - currently on Ebay if anyone has an interest :)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Chris in Prague on May 15, 2016, 08:40:26 PM
My pleasure, Andrew. I will, later, be preparing an Excel spreadsheet of coaches to see what we all have for "through" running.

I guess this is the Collett 0-6-0:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/N-gauge-kit-built-GWR-0-6-0-Collett-Tender-Loco-on-grafar-chassis-/201584879256? (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/N-gauge-kit-built-GWR-0-6-0-Collett-Tender-Loco-on-grafar-chassis-/201584879256?)

Alas, it would not be suitable for DCC conversion, I think, so I will have to wait for a Peco one, preferably in BR Black livery.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Mito on May 15, 2016, 10:04:15 PM
Got my eye on the Collett :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on June 18, 2016, 09:24:42 PM
After a bit of a delay - progress has begun again  :beers:  Economy under-floor heating going in :)
 
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/41/4934-180616195041-409572385.jpeg)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on June 18, 2016, 09:28:20 PM
The Woodtink is leaving tantalising evidence of his presence as the lovely Douglas Fir floor boards go down

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/41/4934-180616195046-411122253.jpeg)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Chris in Prague on June 18, 2016, 09:39:47 PM
Looks very good, Andrew. Slow work, perhaps, but the results look excellent.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on June 19, 2016, 08:06:29 AM
Now the job of enclosing the van so that the it can be deemed weather-tight

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/41/4934-180616195057-411131722.jpeg)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Caz on June 19, 2016, 09:38:26 AM
What a wonderful job you are making of it and luxury to boot with underfloor heating, going to be a very cosy little cave.   :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Chris in Prague on June 19, 2016, 09:52:08 AM
Looking very good, Andrew. Thanks for the photo.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: cornish yorkie on June 19, 2016, 03:19:59 PM
 :hellosign: Thanks for the updates &  :greatpicturessign: will be an excellent home for your layout
regards Derek.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on June 19, 2016, 03:42:46 PM
Completely changes the space having a proper solid floor down :)  Can actually start to believe that there will be a fledgling model railway in here by the end of the year!

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/41/4934-180616195112-411141656.jpeg)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Chris in Prague on June 19, 2016, 03:54:22 PM
A very nice looking space, Andrew. Thanks for the update.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: port perran on June 19, 2016, 04:41:09 PM
What a great idea.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: maridunian on June 19, 2016, 06:03:13 PM
Now the job of enclosing the van so that the it can be deemed weather-tight

([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/41/4934-180616195057-411131722.jpeg[/url])


Ingenious way of forming the doors square!

Mike
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on June 20, 2016, 08:58:22 AM
Thanks Mike - this side of the van will be a solid wall, the outer doors will just be cosmetic
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on June 20, 2016, 09:14:43 AM
Now for the important bit!  Will need some power to make the magic happen

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/41/4934-180616195123-411162222.jpeg)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on June 20, 2016, 05:21:28 PM
Good as new  :hmmm:

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/41/4934-180616195143-41118472.jpeg)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: port perran on June 20, 2016, 06:16:21 PM
Just need a plug on the end now ! :D
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on June 20, 2016, 07:40:29 PM
 :doh:

..... knew there was something I had forgotten! :D
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Newportnobby on June 20, 2016, 08:00:52 PM
Good to see you've connected it up to the National Grid but I have to say the electricity pylons up there seem a bit on the small side :hmmm:
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Mito on June 20, 2016, 10:31:02 PM
Good bit of plumbing there too. :D
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on June 20, 2016, 10:41:46 PM
The pylons might be small, but we know a good fuse when we see one  :D

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/41/4934-200616223820-412551011.jpeg)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on June 20, 2016, 10:43:58 PM
It has the Admiralty seal of approval too  :beers:

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/41/4934-200616223842-412792450.jpeg)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on June 21, 2016, 07:01:27 AM
That's the easy bit done!

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/41/4934-180616195208-411211099.jpeg)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on June 21, 2016, 11:48:53 AM
Southern Region M7 Loco, number 676 getting ready to enter the paint shop

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/41/4934-180616195137-41117348.jpeg)

She will re-emerge as Caledonian Rly loco 419
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on June 21, 2016, 11:53:50 AM
Paintshop Preparation Area (aka Brake Fluid Bath) duly entered

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/41/4934-180616195144-411191725.jpeg)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Chris in Prague on June 21, 2016, 10:15:23 PM
Thanks for the latest updates, Andrew.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on June 22, 2016, 07:07:31 AM
Creating the transition pieces above the doors took the best part of a day to shape as per the original from a raw block of Douglas Fir - this forms the lintel & top recess for the doors and also means we could finally put the last timbers onto the roof and get the weatherproof membrane on   :claphappy:

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/41/4934-180616195201-411201140.jpeg)

Out of interest, this is what the old piece looked like when I stripped it down

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/41/4934-220616065825-412801939.jpeg)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Chris in Prague on June 22, 2016, 07:31:00 AM
A very impressive transformation, Andrew.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on June 22, 2016, 09:41:21 AM
With progress on the home of the PRPS progressing well, I can finally allow my thoughts to wander towards the actual layout.  I have a plan which includes a station on a curve (though I just looked at it and realise I had the wrong units when I was designing out the tight curves!) - anyone got an idea of what the minimum radius should be so that coaches & platforms work in harmony i.e. no big gaps between platform edge/coach to avoid contact? In terms of coach length, with the plans I have for rolling stock (Rule 1 mainly!), the station will see Mk1, 2 & 3 coaches.

Here is a snip of the current arrangement - I can hopefully get the curves back to where I thought I had them i.e. minimum radius of 12"

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/41/4934-220616093910-413031567.png)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: keithbythe sea on June 22, 2016, 07:45:26 PM
The pylons might be small, but we know a good fuse when we see one  :D

([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/41/4934-200616223820-412551011.jpeg[/url])


Blimey, if that's the size of the fuse what type of controller are you using? :goggleeyes:
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Newportnobby on June 22, 2016, 08:39:35 PM
anyone got an idea of what the minimum radius should be so that coaches & platforms work in harmony i.e. no big gaps between platform edge/coach to avoid contact? In terms of coach length, with the plans I have for rolling stock (Rule 1 mainly!), the station will see Mk1, 2 & 3 coaches.

Here is a snip of the current arrangement - I can hopefully get the curves back to where I thought I had them i.e. minimum radius of 12"

([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/41/4934-220616093910-413031567.png[/url])


I'm sure your current arrangement will not work. Someone who might know the necessary radius is Caz @Caz (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=202) .
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on June 22, 2016, 10:05:24 PM
The pylons might be small, but we know a good fuse when we see one  :D

([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/41/4934-200616223820-412551011.jpeg[/url])


Blimey, if that's the size of the fuse what type of controller are you using? :goggleeyes:


I think the controller will be very much in keeping with the one Thomas works for :)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on June 22, 2016, 10:14:50 PM
Thanks NPN - you have confirmed my fears.... it felt like a good way to use a bit of a lost corner, and was a neat backstory of a mainline station with a preserved railway alongside it using one platform (the Strathspey Rly has this arrangement for one)

I have been tinkering with it all day in Anyrail (in between sporadic outbreaks of working for my employer) and have managed to get the radius to better than or equal to Peco Radius 2 which I think is the minimum that the newer loco's are recommended to run on (I know the Dapol Scotrail DMU I bought recently won't look at my tight test track!)

I have other options on where I can put the station, but will take away the link with the preserved line I mentioned above
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Newportnobby on June 22, 2016, 10:17:57 PM
Don't get me wrong - I just lurve curved platforms but if not done right they can look somewhat silly.
I don't know what Caz has used radius wise but believe even hers are on the limit :hmmm:
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on June 23, 2016, 09:21:55 AM
With the lintel in place, the first set of doors are on!  It is almost getting back to how it was :)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/41/4934-180616195216-411221602.jpeg)

Slowly progressing with preparing the metal work for painting, after taking off the rust & paint, I have been applying a rust barrier as can be seen here

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/41/4934-180616195226-411231754.jpeg)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Chris in Prague on June 23, 2016, 09:34:26 AM
Thanks for the updates, Andrew. The van is looking as good as new (if not better), now. I hope that you will be able to place the mainline station somewhere where you can link it to the preserved railway branch line.


Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Newportnobby on June 23, 2016, 10:08:41 AM
I bet that's the best the wagon body has ever looked. Be careful - BR might want it back!
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on June 23, 2016, 10:44:51 AM
Thanks for the updates, Andrew. The van is looking as good as new (if not better), now. I hope that you will be able to place the mainline station somewhere where you can link it to the preserved railway branch line.

Thanks Chris & NPN - I was being ambitious with the curves I was trying to fit a platform around :)  I am looking at an alternative arrangement that can fit the space & satisfy that idea of the PRPS meeting the mainline at a handy station.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Caz on June 23, 2016, 06:40:26 PM
anyone got an idea of what the minimum radius should be so that coaches & platforms work in harmony i.e. no big gaps between platform edge/coach to avoid contact? In terms of coach length, with the plans I have for rolling stock (Rule 1 mainly!), the station will see Mk1, 2 & 3 coaches.

Here is a snip of the current arrangement - I can hopefully get the curves back to where I thought I had them i.e. minimum radius of 12"

([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/41/4934-220616093910-413031567.png[/url])


I'm sure your current arrangement will not work. Someone who might know the necessary radius is Caz @Caz ([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=202[/url]) .


All my curved platforms are on about 2ft radius curves except for one but it is only the extreme end of a platform and that is about 14" radius.   

The curved platforms in the illustration look extremely tight and I think you would need enormous gaps between rail and platform.  Use your longest coach/truck and put a pencil in the middle of it and draw around the track for the inside clearance and then use a pencil at the extreme end of the coach/truck and draw the outside clearance.  This will make sure that the overhang of the coach/truck will not foul the platform.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on June 24, 2016, 08:35:22 AM
Thanks Caz, knew I was being optimistic!

Significant re-work of the layout plan currently underway!
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on June 24, 2016, 09:27:57 AM
Inside face of the doors, almost prototypical.... just the width of the planks that is narrower, could not get planks in the 1956 widths!

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/41/4934-180616195237-411241600.jpeg)

Also managed to restore the 2 door catches that were still attached to the van when it was recovered (just need to find 2 more for the other side!)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/41/4934-180616195250-411261110.jpeg)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Newportnobby on June 24, 2016, 09:34:35 AM
A superb restoration job, and I hope you can source the other 2 catches you need :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: johnlambert on June 24, 2016, 02:50:23 PM
anyone got an idea of what the minimum radius should be so that coaches & platforms work in harmony i.e. no big gaps between platform edge/coach to avoid contact? In terms of coach length, with the plans I have for rolling stock (Rule 1 mainly!), the station will see Mk1, 2 & 3 coaches.

Here is a snip of the current arrangement - I can hopefully get the curves back to where I thought I had them i.e. minimum radius of 12"

([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/41/4934-220616093910-413031567.png[/url])


As an aside, I believe there is a rule on the real railway that the approach to any station bufferstops should be straight and long enough to accommodate the longest piece of stock cleared for the route.  Much as I like a bay platform I'd be tempted to leave it off your plan.

But it is great to see the progress you're making.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: belstone on June 24, 2016, 10:26:23 PM
That van is superb.  I want one now, but I don't have anywhere to put it.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on June 25, 2016, 06:48:09 AM
When you are trying to fit 4.8m lengths of cladding yourself, you need to improvise! :)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/41/4934-180616195243-41125482.jpeg)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/41/4934-180616195306-411281731.jpeg)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Bealman on June 25, 2016, 06:58:08 AM
Awesome work. Love it!!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Tractor37 on June 25, 2016, 07:19:53 AM
Hi there.
Have just read through your thread and have enjoyed following the vans progress, commendable job squire.
Look forward to seeing the layout take shape in it when you are prepared.
Shall be checking back frequently on this one.
Keep up the good work chap.
Jas...  :beers:
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Chris in Prague on June 25, 2016, 08:51:09 AM
The van's interior is a real work of art.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on June 25, 2016, 09:17:06 PM
Hi there.
Have just read through your thread and have enjoyed following the vans progress, commendable job squire.
Look forward to seeing the layout take shape in it when you are prepared.
Shall be checking back frequently on this one.
Keep up the good work chap.
Jas...  :beers:

Thanks Jas, that's very kind of you - I wish I could claim the credit!  all the carpentry has been done by the semi-tame woodtink.... my only contribution to the woodwork is the internal ceiling..... and he didnt like that I had left visible nail heads!  I  have been doing the metalwork & wiring
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Tractor37 on June 25, 2016, 09:51:19 PM
The worker is irrelevant squire as you get to keep the finished article for yourself and its your insight that's got it restored.
So like I said, kudos for the effort in planning.
Lovely to see an old bit of railway history lovingly restored and appropriated for new life... Top job chap...
Jas....  :beers:
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on June 26, 2016, 07:00:59 AM
Feels a shame to cover up the curved beams, but I will be soooooo glad of that insulation in 6 months time!

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/41/4934-180616195322-41129102.jpeg)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/41/4934-180616195322-41129543.jpeg)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Bealman on June 26, 2016, 07:16:34 AM
Yeah, it is a shame, but comfort comes first!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: MinZaPint on June 26, 2016, 08:04:44 PM
I just went back in your thread to the pictures of the van when it arrived, I am in awe of the way you have transformed it  :drool: Really looking forward to seeing your layout progress  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: port perran on June 26, 2016, 08:07:35 PM
Excellent work.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on June 26, 2016, 08:47:32 PM
Thanks guys, funnily enough I was pulling together some before & after photo's today, will post a few up as I only posted up the exterior shots at the start (forgot that the inside would be the more important part as far as the PRPS is concerned!)

Cheers,
Andrew
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on June 27, 2016, 07:14:06 AM
Small plates added either side of the vent to close the spare bolt holes near the roof line that were the last major source of water ingress

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/41/4934-180616195304-411271249.jpeg)

And doors fitted to the other side too

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/41/4934-180616195340-41131900.jpeg)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Chris in Prague on June 27, 2016, 07:38:16 AM
Excellent work.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on June 27, 2016, 09:21:20 AM
Thanks Chris, I hope what I produce inside can match the exterior!
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Newportnobby on June 27, 2016, 10:25:34 AM
I can see you're going to be as snug as a bug in a rug erm, wagon. Toasty :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on June 27, 2016, 12:18:19 PM
I was thinking that too when I was installing the insulation on one of the warmest days of the year so far!  Thank goodness for amber nectar!  :beers:
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Zogbert Splod on June 27, 2016, 02:51:25 PM
I want one! And I want it NOW!
I can't think of a more appropriate home for a trainset - unless you have a disused station too. Fabulous job!!!
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on June 27, 2016, 05:12:25 PM
Thank you (be careful with the phrase train set on the forums though!  :-X ) No disused station unfortunately ... I did cast my eye over an out of service signal box, but it is a bit too far away to be practical!
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Mr PJ on June 27, 2016, 11:28:28 PM
What can I say? Its van-tastic :laugh3:
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on June 28, 2016, 07:05:29 AM
As this wall will be solid, took the opportunity to let a little light in :)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/41/4934-180616195340-411322242.jpeg)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/41/4934-180616195353-411331873.jpeg)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/41/4934-180616195356-411341171.jpeg)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Bealman on June 28, 2016, 07:42:38 AM
Just getting better and better. Every bloke's railway room vantasy come true!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: cornish yorkie on June 28, 2016, 10:09:49 PM
 :hellosign:    :greatpicturessign:  looking really nice, well done
regards Derek.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on June 29, 2016, 06:38:24 AM
Thanks Derek, has taken a while, but feeling good about how it turned out :)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on June 29, 2016, 07:27:33 AM
With a bit of luck (and my tendency not to throw things away - its NOT hoarding!!! :hmmm:) have managed to put together a full set of ironmongery for one side of the van :)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/41/4934-180616195405-411352216.jpeg)

The bolt has a bit of a bow on it, but the woodtink knows a fellah who can take care of that & hopefully manufacture a couple of "Tee's" for the bottom of the door too

I initially didn't recognise the staple, such was its "as-found" condition

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/41/4934-180616195409-41136446.jpeg)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/41/4934-180616195422-411371887.jpeg)

Just need to scour the WWW & countryside to find a set for the other side!

Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: port perran on June 29, 2016, 07:43:57 AM
Looks like its going to be very secure.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Chris in Prague on June 29, 2016, 08:59:56 AM
Looks like its going to be very secure.

Yes, and a very good think, too. I'd also add at least one a motion-triggered electric light and a video camera linked to the Internet.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on June 29, 2016, 10:26:47 AM
 8)   8)  :-X   8)   8)  Thanks for the comments & suggestions .... significant security measures will be in place, but I will keep the details secret for obvious reasons   8)   8)   :-X  8)  8)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Mito on June 29, 2016, 05:45:26 PM
Looking very good. :thumbsup:
Is the coarse sheep mix good as a rust remover? ???
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on June 29, 2016, 10:52:36 PM
Ewe know.... its not baa'd  :smiley-laughing:
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on June 30, 2016, 06:41:59 AM
Time to do something with the other side that will be the way in

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/41/4934-180616195433-411382476.jpeg)

Also got the other end fully prepared for painting, rubbed back with the grinder & rust barrier applied

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/41/4934-180616195442-41139283.jpeg)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on June 30, 2016, 07:18:57 AM
.... and finally - a door (when is  a door not a door..... when it is ajar)   :D

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/41/4934-180616195444-41140528.jpeg)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Tractor37 on June 30, 2016, 07:19:59 AM
Looking great squire. A space to be envious of indeed  :greatpicturessign:
Jas...
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Chris in Prague on June 30, 2016, 09:14:54 AM
 :greatpicturessign: Lovely craftsmanship.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: cornish yorkie on June 30, 2016, 11:58:59 AM
 :hellosign:  :greatpicturessign: excellent progress, looking good
regards Derek.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: MinZaPint on June 30, 2016, 04:08:20 PM
That's absolutely brilliant  :thumbsup: great rate of progress  :greatwork:
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Mito on June 30, 2016, 09:39:28 PM
When are you moving in? :beers:
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: McRuss on July 01, 2016, 05:16:06 AM
These is what I call a great looking train shed. :smiley-laughing:

Markus
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on July 01, 2016, 06:58:12 AM
When are you moving in? :beers:

I am sure it will provide some service as a "dog house" too  :angel:
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Tractor37 on July 01, 2016, 07:00:30 AM
As for it being a 'doghouse'im sure you'll be looking for reasons to be sent out by the powers that be won't you?  :confused1:
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on July 01, 2016, 07:05:30 AM
With the door frames finally complete, meant I could push on with the ceiling - 4.2m lengths of cladding, above my head, on my own..... out of the 200 odd lengths I bought... I don't think there was one that was straight!  At least they co-operate when you straighten them out... but like a naughty child... you get one end in... and the other end naughtily pops out!  :veryangry:

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/41/4934-180616195457-41141644.jpeg)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/41/4934-180616195504-411421396.jpeg)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on July 01, 2016, 07:07:46 AM
As for it being a 'doghouse'im sure you'll be looking for reasons to be sent out by the powers that be won't you?  :confused1:

 :D  ah ha, lets hope she does not work that out as quickly as you did!   ::)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Newportnobby on July 01, 2016, 10:16:04 AM
At least you drilled holes for the lighting wiring to come through which is more than I probably would have done :-[
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on July 02, 2016, 06:59:24 AM
More wiring starting to go in..... unfortunately I was to see the sub mains cable again after the cladding went up....yes, you guessed it, the woodtink & his fixation about not having visible nailheads - fired a "hidden" cable pin (little bleeders are about 3" long!) through 2 of the cores - cost me a pretty penny finding that electrical fault!  :veryangry:

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/41/4934-180616195511-411432374.jpeg)

Have made provision for a feed to the outside of the van... I did suggest to the rest of the household that it could feed an outdoor branch line.... but that did not go down very well  :unimpressed:
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on July 02, 2016, 07:16:42 AM
One of the last messy jobs to do was grind/blast/scrape back the main structural beams - had been putting it off, but have finally done the one on the main entrance side, as well as the metal work on that side

This stuff puts a nice patina on the metal work to seal it up - something satisfying about a product that has "rust killer" in it's descriptive title  :thumbsup:

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/41/4934-180616195512-411442476.jpeg)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/41/4934-180616195526-411461541.jpeg)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/41/4934-180616195547-411491229.jpeg)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: railsquid on July 02, 2016, 07:19:17 AM
Have made provision for a feed to the outside of the van... I did suggest to the rest of the household that it could feed an outdoor branch line.... but that did not go down very well  :unimpressed:
Give it time and the idea will take root by itself.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: port perran on July 02, 2016, 08:07:44 AM
The more I see of this, the more I feel that we all need one of those vans.
Great stuff.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Yet_Another on July 02, 2016, 08:57:39 AM
Agree. It looks fabulous and I want one.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on July 02, 2016, 10:00:06 AM
Thanks for the kinds comments guys, has certainly been a labour of love!  really looking forward to getting moved in and start building a layout in there
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: MinZaPint on July 02, 2016, 12:03:46 PM
Thanks for the kinds comments guys, has certainly been a labour of love!  really looking forward to getting moved in and start building a layout in there

All your followers are eagerly awaiting  :thumbsup: Keep the pics coming.  cheers  David
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Tractor37 on July 02, 2016, 12:38:21 PM
Like he  :laughabovepost: said... keep it coming squire.
Jas...  :beers:
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: chrispearce on July 02, 2016, 11:20:03 PM
The van is epic and, bearing in mind what you started with, you have done a fantastic job of restoring it. There are many heritage railways that would love you!

Looking at the paddock around it does make me think, " If I had some land like that there would be 5 inch gauge tracks for sure!!!"
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on July 03, 2016, 06:51:50 AM
Thanks Chris.... I did suggest that once upon a time.... but sometimes you just know when you are pushing your luck :)

Same as when I pretended with a spoof email that I had bid & won on 5 standard gauge track panels for a cool £2500 and was now looking for a small pug to go on them ..... few cold dinners that week until she saw the funny side!
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Maurits71 on July 03, 2016, 06:57:18 AM
Despite saying not a lot I am a loyal follower, your updates always made me giggle with a big wow factor. Good to see that it's all coming along, when are the open days ? :)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on July 03, 2016, 07:03:12 AM
An update on the Southern Railway M7 than I am hoping to re-model into something akin to Caledonian Rly 419 - seen here after leaving the preparation area

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/41/4934-180616195525-4114532.jpeg)

As always seems to be the case.... I didn't spot that the handrail had popped out during it's time in the Paint Shop Preparation Area!

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/41/4934-180616195539-41147716.jpeg)

Now just need a replacement chimney, dome and safety valve set (and the small unresolved matter of crests & transfers)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on July 03, 2016, 07:13:04 AM
The van is epic and, bearing in mind what you started with, you have done a fantastic job of restoring it. There are many heritage railways that would love you!

..... there was a time, more years ago than I care to remember that I was an active member of the Bo'Ness & Kinneil Railway as I was living in Bo'Ness at the time, laid many of the track sections between Bo'Ness & Kinneil - alas, when I discovered women & wine to go with the songs I was already listening too.... there was no way back! 
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Bealman on July 03, 2016, 07:15:58 AM
I remember seeing such a conversion of an old Triang M7 years ago in RM. Looking forward to progress on this!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: chrispearce on July 03, 2016, 07:18:44 AM
Andrew please tell me you are going to paint your 419 in Caley blue. Pretty please. The m7 is a really good likeness.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on July 03, 2016, 07:23:11 AM
Despite saying not a lot I am a loyal follower, your updates always made me giggle with a big wow factor. Good to see that it's all coming along, when are the open days ? :)

That is very kind of you Maurits... when it comes to wow factor though, you are still way out in front :D

....open day...now there is a thought... if I could bring together all the amazing modellers on this forum and get their input (return flights from Prague included, not sure the budget would stretch to Oz though, sorry Bealman!) ..... think of the layout that could be born out of that :)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on July 03, 2016, 07:30:17 AM
Just for completeness & to make sure I don't end up with some shades of green in unexpected places, I put some primer on the underside too

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/41/4934-180616195543-411481041.jpeg)

I just hope there is enough tolerance in the chassis/body to allow for that paint!

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/41/4934-180616195558-41150170.jpeg)

(apologies for the blurry pic!)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Bealman on July 03, 2016, 07:39:30 AM
Cool!
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Caz on July 03, 2016, 08:06:01 AM
I reckon your man cave should be awarded "The Shed of Year"  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on July 03, 2016, 08:14:16 AM
Andrew please tell me you are going to paint your 419 in Caley blue. Pretty please. The m7 is a really good likeness.

That is what I thought, hence I thought it could be a good one to try as it will be my first attempt at this (re-livery, lining & numbering) - the inspiration coming from the fine work of Ozmandias

I was surprised by the range of opinions on what Caley blue actually is!  there is evidence for all of the following having been used by CR - Prussian Blue, Royal Blue, Sky Blue & Oxford Blue... I am going to go with the latter, as it seems to match what I remember the actual loco (as preserved at Bo'Ness) a few years back when I was last there (2008).  Oxford Blue is a lot darker than the blue the CR Fairburn I have by Bachmann is outshopped in.

Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on July 03, 2016, 08:17:36 AM
I reckon your man cave should be awarded "The Shed of Year"  :thumbsup:

My partner was threatening to contact George Clarke at the start of the build!
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: chrispearce on July 03, 2016, 08:27:22 AM

I was surprised by the range of opinions on what Caley blue actually is!  there is evidence for all of the following having been used by CR - Prussian Blue, Royal Blue, Sky Blue & Oxford Blue... I am going to go with the latter, as it seems to match what I remember the actual loco (as preserved at Bo'Ness) a few years back when I was last there (2008).  Oxford Blue is a lot darker than the blue the CR Fairburn I have by Bachmann is outshopped in.

I have a book on the Caley and it says they took Prussian Blue and added white to it as it was an expensive paint and it made it go further. Always thought the lighter shades were stunning. I have scratchbuilt most of the Single 123 in 4mm because I thought it was beautiful. Sadly it is still in brass gold and solder silver! Whatever you do it will be a great model.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on July 04, 2016, 07:08:27 AM
Back to things 1:1 scale

Ceiling work progressed now, just needed a discussion with the Woodtink on how the walls & ceiling will meet/merge - in the end we decided to bring the ceiling right to the edge & then bring the walls up to it with a bit of an angle.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/41/4934-180616195601-41151942.jpeg)

With the ceiling done, it meant that the ends could be framed out (and the horrible job of cutting kingspan could continue)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/41/4934-180616195617-41152535.jpeg)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/41/4934-180616195632-411531101.jpeg)

Finishing the ceiling did show how little the van has lost its shape, I was not able to get parallel lines where the ceiling meets the walls, but it was only out by a 1/2 inch end to end on one side & 1" & 1/2 on the other (though probably most of that can be attributed to me not getting the 1st piece of cladding lined up better!  :doh:)
 
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Chris in Prague on July 04, 2016, 07:53:05 AM
I love the natural wood interior.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on July 04, 2016, 08:40:04 AM
I love the natural wood interior.

Its going to look like a swedish sauna when all the cladding is on!  I have just about finalised the interior paint scheme, based on the LNER station schemes - I think I will leave the floorboards in their natural state, just so I can have the fun of trying to find that tiny screw after it has dropped into one of the seams :)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Ditape on July 04, 2016, 12:37:14 PM
your project is coming on fine good luck keep up the good work. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: cornish yorkie on July 04, 2016, 04:30:15 PM
 :hellosign: Thanks for the updates Andrew ,coming on a treat
regards Derek.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on July 04, 2016, 04:52:32 PM
Thanks Derek, getting to the stage I can start choosing curtains & carpets     :beers:
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Newportnobby on July 04, 2016, 05:37:36 PM
Please let me know when the utilities will be plumbed in as I'll be moving in, purely to guard your model railway, you understand :D
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on July 04, 2016, 07:29:59 PM
I absolutely understand  :D  If you can see your way to cracking on with some baseboards, that would be a handsome rent  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Newportnobby on July 04, 2016, 08:18:12 PM
If you'd seen my carpentry skills (?) you would not even have suggested that :no:
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on July 05, 2016, 07:01:35 AM
Feel like I am rounding the corner into the home straight now on this build, I know in my heart of hearts though, this is going to be the easy bit!  My layout building skills are a bit rusty!

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/41/4934-180616195633-411541888.jpeg)

Love it when a plan comes together :)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/41/4934-180616195645-411551924.jpeg)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on July 05, 2016, 07:08:28 AM
You may remember the other Ozmandias inspired project  :help: - which was to turn out a BoB (or is it West Country, or maybe even Bullied Light Pacific) in Golden Arrow regalia...... 

Plan is to re-badge this one as 501 Squadron - I have everything now except a paint colour and letters/lining ... and the regimental badge - it must be me, but I struggle with the Fox Transfers listings!

......... anyway, here is the donor patient, Shaftesbury, awaiting permission to enter the PRPS Paintshop Preparation Area

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/41/4934-180616195650-41156269.jpeg)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Newportnobby on July 05, 2016, 09:38:58 AM

......... anyway, here is the donor patient, Shaftesbury, awaiting permission to enter the PRPS Paintshop Preparation Area

([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/41/4934-180616195650-41156269.jpeg[/url])


The PRPSPPA? Blimey!
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on July 05, 2016, 11:15:01 AM
I had the same notion as I was typing it... thought I should have called it the PRPS Pre-Paint Preparation Pod

:D
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Newportnobby on July 05, 2016, 01:08:48 PM
I had the same notion as I was typing it... thought I should have called it the PRPS Pre-Paint Preparation Pod

:D

You must be careful to mind your P's and, er, P's :confused1:
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on July 06, 2016, 06:39:03 AM
More progress on the walls (Swedish Sauna right?)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/41/4934-180616195658-411571338.jpeg)

And all the insulation finally fitted, glad that job is behind me, funny how the insulating & cladding landed on the hottest week of the decade!

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/41/4934-180616195707-411581127.jpeg)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: port perran on July 06, 2016, 08:02:51 AM
You have made such a good job of that.
Looks amazing.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Chris in Prague on July 06, 2016, 08:28:13 AM
Looks like it will be a very cosy home for some field mice, too! 8-)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Newportnobby on July 06, 2016, 09:54:10 AM
Fabulous mancave :heart2:
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on July 06, 2016, 02:29:21 PM
Looks like it will be a very cosy home for some field mice, too! 8-)

The security measures   8)  8)  8)   :-X   8)  8)  8) that shall not be mentioned, will also make provision for rodents!

To be honest, I am more worried about frogs (live & dead), toads (I have too many), tortoises (should I have those instead of Peco) and field buses than field mice!
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on July 07, 2016, 07:04:42 AM
Progress back in my hands now as the electrics start to go in, as you might imagine, the Woodtink wanted flush mounted sockets (though almost think he would prefer invisible ones)!

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/41/4934-180616195717-41160997.jpeg)

Starting to look dangerously close to finished now :)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/41/4934-180616195714-411592245.jpeg)

Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on July 07, 2016, 09:01:46 AM
That is the side walls done now (and the mains cable suitably punctured by the Woodtink) - just the ends to do & it will be pretty much done inside (wiring & painting aside)  :beers:

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/41/4934-180616195728-411612192.jpeg)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: chrispearce on July 07, 2016, 09:05:38 AM
What colour are you going to paint the inside?
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on July 07, 2016, 09:52:13 AM
I was going to go a bit native & use CR or NBR station colours, but was worried that would make things a bit dark as they used a purple/brown shade - so I will stay true to my LNER loyalty and go with light Brunswick Green (lower 1/3rd) and deep cream for the (upper 2/3rds) walls, ceiling just plain white to help with light reflection .....  something sort of like this.....

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/41/4934-070716094852-417062085.jpeg)

Though, a lot of it will be hidden by the backscene.....
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: chrispearce on July 07, 2016, 10:00:14 AM
An inspired scheme. Should look stunning and the cream upper will help with lighting. Is there any merit in the idea of running a length of horizontal wooden batten along the walls to help with separating the 2 colours? Thought it would be easier to get it all straight rather than trying to paint a straight line on vertical planks. :confused1:
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Newportnobby on July 07, 2016, 10:28:06 AM
Is there any merit in the idea of running a length of horizontal wooden batten along the walls to help with separating the 2 colours? Thought it would be easier to get it all straight rather than trying to paint a straight line on vertical planks. :confused1:

I have insisted on a decorative dado rail, Chris, as it will do the same job but look soooo much better :D
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: chrispearce on July 07, 2016, 10:41:09 AM
An even better solution. I thought about suggesting a dado rail but so many people I know speak of them with disgust  >:(. I have one in my living room and although I painted all my walls the same colour (it's a small room) I don't object to it and it will look very good. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on July 07, 2016, 11:13:39 AM
Excellent ideas, for the most part, said Dado rail will be the supporting rail for the baseboards, but could easily continue that around the rest of the walls to create the break..... but does the dado rail become part of the green portion or the cream portion.... or should it be black as in the photo I was using a reference!  every decision on this job seems to be multiple choice with D) being any one of the above!

I am not sure if I am indecisive......
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: chrispearce on July 07, 2016, 11:17:57 AM
Excellent ideas, for the most part, said Dado rail will be the supporting rail for the baseboards, but could easily continue that around the rest of the walls to create the break..... but does the dado rail become part of the green portion or the cream portion.... or should it be black as in the photo I was using a reference!  every decision on this job seems to be multiple choice with D) being any one of the above!

I am not sure if I am indecisive......

Could be either - up to you. If it is going to be a rear support for the layout then it may as well be green.

NGF Rule 2 - it's YOUR dado rail and paint it any colour you want (as long as it's black - shut up Henry).
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on July 08, 2016, 03:58:34 PM
Just recovering from a bit of comm's black out here (19 hours with only a satellite phone for company!)

The van now has one end clad :)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/41/4934-180616195730-411622380.jpeg)

Almost an optical illusion if you stare at it too long!

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/41/4934-180616195742-411631325.jpeg)

Now to do something about all those wires  :confused2:

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/41/4934-180616195743-41164190.jpeg)


Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Chris in Prague on July 08, 2016, 04:29:47 PM
It just keeps getting better. Thanks for the latest update.

In view of the success of your brake fluid bath stripping off the paint from your Dapol M7, the CLPG is interested in despatching two Minitrix BR Standard coaches (overpainted in BR plain Maroon for some reason) for a similar process if possible? (They have a cunning plan for these two coaches having just had one delivered in Works Grey.) Would it also clean the dirty metal wheels, too? 8-)

A short train for Perthshire is now booked to leave via Wadebridge from Cant Cove early next week.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: port perran on July 08, 2016, 07:42:53 PM
Looking very good to me.
My only concern............don't have the sauna turned up too hot. It'll play havoc with the track ! :D
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on July 08, 2016, 08:45:03 PM
It just keeps getting better. Thanks for the latest update.

In view of the success of your brake fluid bath stripping off the paint from your Dapol M7, the CLPG is interested in despatching two Minitrix BR Standard coaches (overpainted in BR plain Maroon for some reason) for a similar process if possible? (They have a cunning plan for these two coaches having just had one delivered in Works Grey.) Would it also clean the dirty metal wheels, too? 8-)

A short train for Perthshire is now booked to leave via Wadebridge from Cant Cove early next week.

The PRPS are very pleased to hear about the despatch of the 2 CLPG coaches and can confirm that they will have space in the pre-paint-shop preparation pod once the loco formerly known as "Shaftesbury" exits the pod (very imminent), depending on the loco that brings them to Perthshire, it may be possible to show them arriving too :)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on July 08, 2016, 09:02:02 PM
That's the electrics almost into some kind of order now.  The cable half way up the end wall is to supply a feed to a couple of bench top sockets, my original plan was to have a work bench below the level of the layout here... but having re-worked the entire plan the past 2 weeks after feedback on my challenging station curves... I fear these cables might not be long enough now!  I may end up with an extra socket or 3 on the ringmain!

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/41/4934-180616195748-411651276.jpeg)

Part of the defences against airbourne beasties

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/41/4934-180616195803-4116645.jpeg)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Chris in Prague on July 08, 2016, 09:05:02 PM
The CLPG is very happy about this good news from their good friends the PRPS and can confirm that the favourite loco. of the "Chelsea Girls", the 'Green Dragon', the BR WR Lined Green Standard 5MT 4-6-0 will be working the special train through to Perthshire.

The "Castle Estates" top salesman, Brandon Williams, (also working, outside Cornwall, on commission, for the Alliance of West Country Breweries, "Sam's Cider", North, West, and South Cornwall rail-served businesses, as a business 'hunter'), is up at Hood-dale, Yorkshire, and has signed up some new accounts there. He has also heard that Tullibardine fine malt whisky may well find an appreciative audience there, too!
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: cornish yorkie on July 08, 2016, 10:59:19 PM
That's the electrics almost into some kind of order now.  The cable half way up the end wall is to supply a feed to a couple of bench top sockets, my original plan was to have a work bench below the level of the layout here... but having re-worked the entire plan the past 2 weeks after feedback on my challenging station curves... I fear these cables might not be long enough now!  I may end up with an extra socket or 3 on the ringmain!

([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/41/4934-180616195748-411651276.jpeg[/url])

Part of the defences against airbourne beasties

([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/41/4934-180616195803-4116645.jpeg[/url])


 
 :hellosign: &  :greatpicturessign:  Looking excellent Andrew, thanks for the updates
regards Derek.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on July 09, 2016, 07:15:41 AM
Cladding on the other end now & some housekeeping

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/41/4934-180616195804-411672481.jpeg)

Sockets all wired up too (except the bench top ones)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/41/4934-180616195818-411681233.jpeg)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/41/4934-180616195818-411691763.jpeg)

Now....where did I put those lights & do I still have 4 of them!

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/41/4934-180616195827-411701108.jpeg)

Consumer box all wired up now too - just the skirtings & facia's to go (and the recently added requirement for a functional dado rail)  :beers:
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Tractor37 on July 09, 2016, 07:24:35 AM
All looking very swish there chap. All you need is a blonde Swedish masseuse and you're set  ;)
Jas..
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Newportnobby on July 09, 2016, 10:31:18 AM
All looking very swish there chap. All you need is a blonde Swedish masseuse and you're set  ;)
Jas..

Exactly why I am moving in as 'railway protector', Jas ;)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on July 09, 2016, 10:57:09 AM
All looking very swish there chap. All you need is a blonde Swedish masseuse and you're set  ;)
Jas..

...... the presence of such an individual would most definitely be the last straw for SWMBO - though no harm in an ebay browse :)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on July 09, 2016, 09:15:55 PM
What is the view about soldering - I was having some success with liquid flux & "straight" solder (or I should say my partner was, as she has a stained glass talent amongst her many skills), but I was reading Mr Lambert's wiring bible & he states that you should only use rosin cored solder....

I will need to get to grips with soldering (but I have a pile of spare sleepers on hand to deal with any melted casualties along the way) but would be good to get the collective thoughts of the folks who look at this thread

Cheers,
Andrew
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Chris in Prague on July 09, 2016, 09:27:31 PM
I'll have to ask my landlord as he has done all my soldering. I know that he bought a new, 'finer; soldering iron after melting sleepers the first attempt.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Mito on July 09, 2016, 10:13:39 PM
I use rosin cored solder and a non-corrosive flux if necessary. Also I use a chisel shaped bit with a soldering station rather than a pointed bit and the temperature quite high so that the rail heats up quickly and doesn't melt the sleepers. A heat sink is sometimes useful if there is a delicate bit nearby.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Zogbert Splod on July 09, 2016, 10:25:41 PM
OK, here's the poop on soldering...
There are two basic classes of flux. Chemical flux, such as the paste or liquid types, will chemically remove some degree of tarnish/oxidisation. However, they also leave some degree of their active element behind. Depending on how much of the active aspect there is, this can cause failure of a wire after a time. Joints made using this type of flux should be cleaned after completion.
The other type of flux is an oxidisation blocker, resin flux is an example of this type. It works by melting and forming a shield over the joint during the time when it is hot. The resin floats on top of the liquid metal and keeps oxygen from reacting with the tin/lead. The resin burns off quite quickly so work fast. Strictly speaking, the resin should be removed after the joint has cooled but, it is relatively inert and, in practice, can be left. with little or no detrimental effect.
I spent many years working with electronic equipment and training others to do the same and in all that time I have never owned or used liquid/paste flux.
The secret to a good solder joint is to clean all components to be joined and to make every effort to tin all of the involved parts before bringing the joint together. By doing this, a minimum of excess heat is applied to the joint which minimises damage to things around. Also, use an iron that is big enough for the job so that it does not cool down as soon as the tip is applied. Equally, too large a tool will cause ancillary damage. I find that a 25 or 30 watt iron works well for me most of the time.
I have never built brass models so I can't comment on the equipment needed in that aspect of soldering.
I will say that I have never found a need for an expensive temperature controlled iron.
Purely from a personal point of view, I will add that I don't like and don't use the newer lead free solder.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on July 10, 2016, 08:28:17 AM
The artist loco formerly known as "Shaftesbury" has emerged from the Pre-Paintshop Prep Pod and after some final clean up, will be sent to the Priming shop, it is hoped that this will give enough time for the various interested parties to agree on what colour of green it should be!  It is thought that Malachite Green is too light and the debate about Maunsell Green, Brunswick Green, Olive Green, SR Green, BR SR Green has rumbled on into the wee small hours in the Golf Inn, Auchterarder, but no-one is sure if any of those are correct for it to be turned out in for Golden Arrow service.  It has, of course, created a glorious opportunity for the more opinionated crusty curmudgeon members of the PRPS to remind anyone who still listens to them that this is what happens when you dabble in locomotives from companies that never set a tyre on the rails of Perthshire

It also creates a space for some much needed coach restoration, 2 coaches are en-route from the CLPG and the PRPS has taken delivery of 3 coaches that require a repaint.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/41/4934-180616195835-411711072.jpeg)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/41/4934-180616195842-411721377.jpeg)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: port perran on July 10, 2016, 09:25:29 AM
Of course, you could always be radical and paint it blue !
Now that might get the locals at the Golf Inn choking into their pints  :beers:
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Chris in Prague on July 10, 2016, 01:27:15 PM
There were, as you know, two shades of Southern Railways green under Maunsell and then Bulleid. BR (including the Southern Region) in the early years, tried out lined 'Express Blue' on some locos. (I don't know whether that included Bulleid's Light Pacifics? I would have to look that up in one of my books). Then, I believe, there was a lighter 'apple green' used as per Martin and my old Graham Farish 34065 "Hurricane" and my (still at Wickness) 34066 "Spitfire", before the final, lined BR Brunswick Green (the most attractive BR livery, IMHO; not exactly the same as the GWR Green), as per my later Graham Farish 'Battle of Britain' 34064 "Fighter Command". However, as a preserved loco. the choice is, of course, up to you. (I do have colour lists for suitable paint shades for most BR liveries.)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: maridunian on July 10, 2016, 03:22:44 PM
I do have colour lists for suitable paint shades for most BR liveries.

Hi Chris

Could you share these lists, please?

Mike
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Chris in Prague on July 10, 2016, 03:42:22 PM
Hi Mike,

There are several such lists on the Internet, but here is one:

Car paint aerosol equivalents for railway colours

Any roof grey Halford's plastic bumper
MR/LMS/BR red Rover damask red
GWR/BR loco green Rover Brooklands green
GWR/BR loco green Ford laurel green
BR diesel light green band Ford highland green
BR coach carmine Ford rosso red
BR coach cream Vauxhall gazelle beige
BR coach cream (well worn) Peugeot antelope beige
BR diesel blue VW Pargas blue
BR steam loco blue Peugeot royal blue
BR loco yellow warning panel Vauxhall mustard yellow
LNER garter blue/BR diesel blue   Ford fjord blue
LNER garter blue VW Pargas blue
LMS Coronation Blue Rover pageant mid-blue
Stanier Coronation blue Peugeot royal blue
GWR or Pullman coach brown Rover russet brown
GWR coach cream Rover primula yellow
SR dark olive green Land Rover Coniston green
LNWR/LYR coach plum Daewoo dark red
LNWR coach white upper panels Daewoo Casablanca white
CR steam loco Peugeot royal blue
SDJR blue Rover midnight blue
CR dark blue Rover midnight blue
Stroudley LBSCR ochre BMC tan
LBSCR umber   Vauxhall Brazil brown
N.Staffs maroon Vauxhall Gambia red
NER coach red Vauxhall Gambia red
LYR coach upper panels Plastikote nut brown


Goods stock matt colours   White primer
                                        Grey primer
                                        Black primer
                                        Bauxite primer

SR pre-war Malachite Green is closely approximated by Rover Java Green

SOURCE: http://gardenrails.myfreeforum.org/archive/car-paint-aerosol-equivalents-for-railway-colours__o_t__t_3605.html (http://gardenrails.myfreeforum.org/archive/car-paint-aerosol-equivalents-for-railway-colours__o_t__t_3605.html)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Chris in Prague on July 10, 2016, 03:46:02 PM
This is a composite list I keep made up from various sources:

BR PAINT COLOUR MATCHES

BR wagon grey - VW EISGRAUEN KJ94

And I have bought (and use):

BR Wagon Bauxite (Early) ALFA ROMEO BRUNO DE37

The following colour matches have been mentioned elsewhere:-

1949-1956 carmine: Ford rosso red, Vauxhall carmine red, Alfa Romeo HR530, BMW Zinnobar Red, Ford Rosso Red and Vauxhall Carmine Red

1949-1956 cream: Vauxhall gazelle beige or Peugeot antelope beige (the latter for well worn stock!)

Post 1956 maroon: Rover damask red, Vauxhall burgundy red, Ford burgundy red, Triumph damson

I will order Ford burgundy red for BR Maroon when I make the LNER Gresley BG kits, next year.

MR/LMS crimson lake: Ford damask red, BL damask red (In theory, MR & LMS lake, & BR "maroon" should be the same colour).

GWR loco green Rover Brooklands Green, Ford Laurel Green
GWR coach brown Rover Russet Brown, Triumph Maple
GWR coach cream Rover Primula Yellow, Ford Sierra Beige

SR dark olive green Land Rover Coniston Green
SR EMU Green Jaguar British Racing Green

BR loco green: Rover Brooklands Green, Ford Laurel Green
BR diesel light green band: Ford Highland Green
BR coach crimson (carmine): Ford Rosso Red, Vauxhall Carmine Red
BR coach cream: Vauxhall Gazelle Beige, Talbot Jonquil
BR coach cream: (well worn) Peugeot Antelope Beige
BR loco / coach maroon: Rover Damask Red, Vauxhall Burgundy Red, Ford Burgundy Red, Triumph Damson
BR diesel blue: VW Pargas Blue; slightly more blue & less green Ford Fjord Blue
BR steam loco blue: Peugeot Royal Blue
BR loco yellow warning panel: Vauxhall Mustard Yellow
BR EMU Green: Jaguar British Racing Green
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on July 11, 2016, 07:02:08 AM
With the PRPS's new home nearing completion, thoughts turn to organising the rolling stock ahead of the move onto permanent rails - here are some of the "storage sidings" that hold the recent new acquisitions.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/41/4934-180616195850-411732203.jpeg)

Some organisation is required to update the various demonstration goods trains that the PRPS like to run with these new arrivals

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/41/4934-180616195857-411742440.jpeg)

Will be so nice having the rolling stock on rails like it should be, rather than cleared away into boxes at the end of the day!

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/41/4934-180616195858-41175800.jpeg)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/41/4934-180616195911-41176922.jpeg)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Tractor37 on July 11, 2016, 07:50:54 AM
Nice little collection there squire.. Will look tidy when you get some rails for them. 
If you decide you don't want the white horse whisky wagon I'm here  :wave:
Cheers for the pictures.
Jas....  :beers:
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Chris in Prague on July 11, 2016, 07:55:46 AM
Thanks, Andrew, for these three photos. which are very useful for "through" running. There are a few anomalies like the Peco grey-painted SR Tarpaulin wagon when the SR used, as far as I know, a chocolate brown colour for its goods vehicles (but it can be resprayed in BR Bauxite), a grey-green 'GW' horsebox (but, again, it can be resprayed; I resprayed three in a shade of BR SR Green), one of the Lima pseudo BR Ferry Vans, an interesting bright yellow Continental van, and one of what should be a pair of Continental single-bolster wagons.

There are some very nice coaches there, a late model GF WR Chocolate & Brown BG (ideal for "through" running as Martin and I have at least one of these), a very nice GF BR Crimson BR Suburban coach, and a couple of the excellent Stanier design coaches, including a brake composite in BR Lined Maroon of which I have also have one: M5062M.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Chris in Prague on July 11, 2016, 07:59:39 AM
Jason, I have a unwanted boxed old (but looks new) Peco "Haig" grain wagon (I prefer to buy unbranded plain blue ones for respraying) which I can add to the shipment? (Unless Andrew is making a collection of all the whisky brand grain wagons which Peco produced?)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on July 11, 2016, 11:16:53 AM
 :laughabovepost:  you may recall I confessed that I didn't actually like the grain wagons much, I repainted some Haig & others that I was going to sell, into the PRPS livery once the Tullibardine distillery worked its way into the rich backstory that has emerged in this thread,  now, thanks to the success of negotiations with Brandon Willams and others, I seem to have even more than I started out with to support the blossoming exports :)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Chris in Prague on July 11, 2016, 11:21:25 AM
Thanks, Andrew, (it's hard to keep track, sometimes), the spare Peco "Haig" wagon will be added to the trainload going to Jason, then.

Thanks to Jason's 'encouragement', I will have a longer rake of "Speedlink" wagons with an additional two Extra-LWB "Speedlink" vans on their way to join the existing two. So, a "Speedlink" train from Perthshire, via Hood-dale, to North Cornwall will soon be possible. 8-)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: maridunian on July 11, 2016, 11:47:16 AM
Hi Mike,

There are several such lists on the Internet, but here is one:

Car paint aerosol equivalents for railway colours

Any roof grey Halford's plastic bumper
MR/LMS/BR red Rover damask red
GWR/BR loco green Rover Brooklands green
GWR/BR loco green Ford laurel green
BR diesel light green band Ford highland green
BR coach carmine Ford rosso red
BR coach cream Vauxhall gazelle beige
BR coach cream (well worn) Peugeot antelope beige
BR diesel blue VW Pargas blue
BR steam loco blue Peugeot royal blue
BR loco yellow warning panel Vauxhall mustard yellow
LNER garter blue/BR diesel blue   Ford fjord blue
LNER garter blue VW Pargas blue
LMS Coronation Blue Rover pageant mid-blue
Stanier Coronation blue Peugeot royal blue
GWR or Pullman coach brown Rover russet brown
GWR coach cream Rover primula yellow
SR dark olive green Land Rover Coniston green
LNWR/LYR coach plum Daewoo dark red
LNWR coach white upper panels Daewoo Casablanca white
CR steam loco Peugeot royal blue
SDJR blue Rover midnight blue
CR dark blue Rover midnight blue
Stroudley LBSCR ochre BMC tan
LBSCR umber   Vauxhall Brazil brown
N.Staffs maroon Vauxhall Gambia red
NER coach red Vauxhall Gambia red
LYR coach upper panels Plastikote nut brown


Goods stock matt colours   White primer
                                        Grey primer
                                        Black primer
                                        Bauxite primer

SR pre-war Malachite Green is closely approximated by Rover Java Green

SOURCE: [url]http://gardenrails.myfreeforum.org/archive/car-paint-aerosol-equivalents-for-railway-colours__o_t__t_3605.html[/url] ([url]http://gardenrails.myfreeforum.org/archive/car-paint-aerosol-equivalents-for-railway-colours__o_t__t_3605.html[/url])


Thanks Chris - much appreciated and book-marked.

Mike
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on July 12, 2016, 07:16:24 AM
Skirting boards and facings fitted now  :beers:

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/41/4934-230616225319-41305686.jpeg)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/41/4934-070716094954-417442248.png)

The roof "canvas" is on - just need to stretch it tight & give it a trim (if it ever stops raining!)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/41/4934-070716094929-41742168.png)

The canvas is a modern derivative (sometimes used by preservation societies i.e. the Bluebell Rly on static stock, they report quite a few issues with using it on running stock, mainly caused by cinders and sparks from the chimney of the locomotive) of canvas, the same material that is used in curtain side lorries - had hoped to get it a bit darker, but Mudfords only had white or this light grey
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Newportnobby on July 12, 2016, 10:27:28 AM
Skirting boards and facings fitted now  :beers:


I hope you took safety into consideration and used a proper skirting board ladder :laugh3:
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on July 12, 2016, 11:00:25 AM
 :D indeed I did :)  thankfully it was not an N Gauge work party that was employed for this job!
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on July 13, 2016, 07:10:11 AM
Guess what I am doing tomorrow :)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/41/4934-120716194441-4193320.jpeg)

Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Tractor37 on July 13, 2016, 07:48:06 AM
Not quite sure chap,  can you give us a clue?    :D
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: port perran on July 13, 2016, 08:09:52 AM
Not at all sure that custard will go with that pea soup !
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Newportnobby on July 13, 2016, 10:48:58 AM
Guess what I am doing tomorrow :)

([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/41/4934-120716194441-4193320.jpeg[/url])


Re-enacting Tiswas? (Probably best done outside :worried:)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Zogbert Splod on July 13, 2016, 02:53:55 PM
DON'T DO IT!
STEP AWAY FROM THE KETTLE...
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Mito on July 13, 2016, 08:42:53 PM
Making tea? Don't reckon much to the soup. :)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on August 12, 2016, 10:28:58 AM
Sorry for the long delay in new update, you may have gathered that my work pattern is "non-standard" and I use the time back at work to post the updates and the time at home to work on things so that I have some updates to post!

The final finishing's on the inside

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/42/4934-120816093908-428011933.jpeg)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/42/4934-120816093926-42802733.jpeg)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/42/4934-120816093930-428031838.jpeg)

Now to apply the "Pea Soup"!

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/42/4934-120816094007-42804612.jpeg)



Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Yet_Another on August 12, 2016, 11:28:40 AM
Ooh! I am so jealous!  :envy:

Looks like it's going to be a really cosy den.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Mito on August 12, 2016, 09:35:08 PM
Looking good. If it was mine I'd have left the wood unpainted, just stained but the pea soup and custard is going to set it all off very nicely. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: lil chris on August 12, 2016, 11:23:08 PM
You could have done it the Mr Bean way, it would have been a lot quicker.....

That Green reminds me of a house I once bought, the owner had painted the ceiling that colour. I bent down every time I went in that room and I am only 5'......
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on August 13, 2016, 06:43:42 AM
Thanks guys, you're probably right Brian, once I put all the backscene/lighting shelf etc.  you won't see much of the walls!  I did have help from my 12 y.o. daughther for some of the time, so it did start to become a bit Bean-esque at times.... especially as she chose to wear a rabbit onesy!
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on August 13, 2016, 06:59:15 AM
As a late-ish homage to the big music festival that was nearby (T in the Park) - I did a colour test of the external paints (they use a large red T in their advertising of the event... the main sponsor being Tennants) - you can also see that the final roof covering is roughly in place too now.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/42/4934-120816094020-42805600.jpeg)

Also found that I was trailing in lots of grass and the door sill is quite a high step, so work started on a bit of a deck/platform

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/42/4934-120816094047-428061987.jpeg)

Pea Soup Paint pretty much applied now

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/42/4934-120816094049-42807177.jpeg)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/42/4934-120816094117-428082240.jpeg)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: cornish yorkie on August 13, 2016, 03:35:38 PM
 :hellosign:  :greatpicturessign: Super work, really really nice
regards Derek.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: wookie on August 13, 2016, 03:43:23 PM
Superb work mate  :beers:
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on August 14, 2016, 07:02:02 AM
Time to load the brushes with the custard

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/42/4934-120816094147-42810633.jpeg)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/42/4934-120816094155-42811778.jpeg)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/42/4934-120816094206-428121945.jpeg)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/42/4934-120816094224-428132427.jpeg)

Beginning to see the end in sight now and construction of the actual railway can begin soon

Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Bealman on August 14, 2016, 07:06:46 AM
Thanks for the updates! Looking fantastic.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: maridunian on August 14, 2016, 01:05:07 PM
Looking superb! 
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Mito on August 14, 2016, 10:25:16 PM
That looks great. Almost as good as varnished wood. :D :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on August 15, 2016, 06:44:13 AM
Thanks Brian, I was wanting to try and create an old LNER waiting room type feel rather than something akin to a cabin cruiser interior.  Make it look a bit different inside from the outside, not quite TARDIS, but along those lines, if that makes sense!
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Bealman on August 15, 2016, 07:31:25 AM
A very original idea!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on August 15, 2016, 08:10:18 AM
Finished off with a bit of "dado" painted black - realised that this could also act as a footing for the rear edge of the baseboards

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/42/4934-120816094237-42814939.jpeg)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/42/4934-120816094246-428151716.jpeg)

The grass trailing prevention measures are also coming along

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/42/4934-120816094126-428091291.jpeg)

After what seems likes a decade (though it is nearly 4 years since my last layout got broken down) I finally have a trackplan that:
a) fits, with gradients ≤ 1.3% + curves ≥ 12"
b) gives me the operational areas and variety that I was wanting
d) what happened to c
c) ah, there it is!

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/42/4934-120816093901-42786656.jpeg)

The grey bar in the middle of the top long side is the doorway, the PRPS hub is on the RHS, the station is loosely based on the track plan at Bo'ness (not Bowness), working title for the station is Milton Wood, but might rename it Forteviot.  there is a fiddle yard feeding that station, I am planning a "removable cartridge" for one of the sidings.  Along the bottom long edge is the PRPS branch line, rising up to Auchterarder, adjacent to which will be the Blackford Refinery and a second larger fiddle yard/storage sidings (not yet decided whether to make them hidden or not as they are on the same level).

Climbing on further there is the branch off into the Tullibardine Distillery (have made this footprint bigger than earlier iterations of the layout as it has taken on a bigger part of the railway backstory now).  Beyond the distillery, the branch will disappear into the Perthshire hills, under Loch Osc, to reappear at an as yet un-named station (but thinking it will be Blackford), with gently curving platforms (thanks for all the earlier advice on this folks) - here the
PRPS will be adjacent to the mainline station, sharing a platform with the down line, its link onto mainline rails just beyond the station.  Off the up line will be a goods yard and the sidings for the oil field that feeds the refinery - will incorporate a scenic break somehow as well as separate it from the mainline loop that continues around it.  Might do what BP did at Dalmeny, near Edinburgh when the crude oil export terminal was built in the 70's and bury it in a redundant shale bing so that it is hidden from all sides - even now, thousands of motorists pass it daily en-route to Edinburgh after crossing the Forth Road Bridge, oblivious to its presence just a few meters away from the A90. 

Further down the "down" line there is a branch that breaks off just before a redundant station and passes through some abandoned sidings that will have the scrapyard locos on, this line will then join a meandering PRPS line back to the storage sidings by the refinery.  That is the vision at least, what we end up with is an entirely different thing!

BTW - the strange dotted blue oval will be my DC test track for running in loco's/testing & servicing, will be on runners so that it can be tucked away when not needed.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: daveg on August 15, 2016, 08:22:32 AM
Great space and a really interesting plan.  :thumbsup:

Look forward to watching the build progress.

Dave G
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Newportnobby on August 15, 2016, 09:03:32 AM
Fascinating seeing things come together. I always look forward to your reports.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Bealman on August 15, 2016, 09:21:14 AM
Awesome.   :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on August 15, 2016, 09:33:09 AM
Fascinating seeing things come together. I always look forward to your reports.

Thanks George & Mick, I hope my layout construction updates on 1:148 scale can match those of my 1:1 abilities :)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Bealman on August 15, 2016, 10:22:43 AM
 :laughabovepost: I'm sure they will.  :beers:
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: maridunian on August 15, 2016, 11:21:33 AM
I think you'll need a shunter's pole to open the window!  ;)

Mike
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on August 15, 2016, 11:59:57 AM
You might well be right, it is a cheap eastern European window that does not offer up its open position very easily, so may not be an issue!  It is positioned just beyond the refinery/storage siding's board, so it is within reach.

Some of my gaps between boards & walls or board to board (between PRPS & Refinery) are tight ~ 300mm... the thinking was that if I wanted to get the area's beyond, I need to keep the weight off!
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Mito on August 15, 2016, 05:40:55 PM
That certainly is some layout. Looking forward to seeing it develop,or a hybrid of it. :D  The platform outside is for the garden railway I presume. On a Tardis theme, where are you going to put the blue light? Oh, and how about a sigh outside like Time Warp Travel, enter N see. :confused2:
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on August 15, 2016, 05:56:21 PM
 :laughabovepost: ha ha, now that is a thought ... N-tertainment guaranteed  :)

I am sure you are right, the layout plan will no doubt change as I go along, I plan to do it in stages.... there are quite a few level changes and I want to try & keep the gradients as per Anyrail... so that will take a bit of working out.... hopefully won't have to get into Pythagoras Theorem ... but I have been checking out how to convert 1.3% into a 1:XX type ratio so I can check they are not getting too steep too soon.... think it works out at 1:76 (though that is spookily the same as OO scale).  As with a lot of layouts, it will be trial and error & great ideas will occur along the way :)

I was tempted (and dissuaded) to build the deck as a proper platform, brick walls, coping stones and gravel .... however that would have taken another eon to complete and I am keen (yet nervous) to get started on the actual layout :) 

Will hopefully get a line up to the first station, start the wiring, get some trains running, then extend beyond, that way I can be doing scenics, running trains, building gradients, laying track as the mood takes me - which is kind of like the way the Bo'ness & Kinneil Railway evolved, so I like that notion

The idea of a garden layout has also been "dropped into conversation" at regular intervals... to no avail so far!  I wonder how N gauge would fair outside... she might think I have just left some track lying around outside :) 
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Yet_Another on August 15, 2016, 06:07:26 PM
.... think it works out at 1:76 (though that is spookily the same as OO scale).

You're all right, my calculator has 1.3% as 1 in 76.92, which is closer to 1 in 77.

1.25% would be 1 in 80, which is a much nicer number  :)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Newportnobby on August 15, 2016, 06:23:57 PM

Will hopefully get a line up to the first station, start the wiring, get some trains running, then extend beyond, that way I can be doing scenics, running trains, building gradients, laying track as the mood takes me - which is kind of like the way the Bo'ness & Kinneil Railway evolved, so I like that notion
 

Please beware as, after the wiring, get some trains running puts a halt to everything else.
Don't ask how I know this, please :-[
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on August 15, 2016, 10:13:56 PM
 :-X you know I wanna ask now ....  As it will only be a relatively short stretch & I seem to have acquired some pretty long rakes of wagons & vans .... that should spur me on!  I'm not looking forward to all that soldering though, I fear a few plastic sleepers might be harmed in the process.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: cornish yorkie on August 15, 2016, 11:11:13 PM
 :hellosign: Very nice plan Andrew, look forward to more updates
regards Derek.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on August 16, 2016, 07:13:53 AM
Now that the painting is complete, I can start to get some bits up on the walls (or in the words of SWMBO, "out of the house"), I am still not 100% certain how the backscene will be done in some area's, but I will most likely work it out on the hoof

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/42/4934-120816094306-428162216.jpeg)

I tried to set the TV up as high into the curve/corner as I could so it was out the way, but I discovered the price (£5.99) of poor planning when I tried to plug it in & the cable was too short!

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/42/4934-120816094445-42823515.jpeg)

The last bits of the outside are coming on - the bolt & staple have been added here (there was a lot of headscratching by the Woodtink trying to get the bolt to engage as it sat too proud of the lintel... but we found a workaround) - does need a good lick of paint (BS 446 - Red Oxide) though

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/42/4934-120816094418-428211702.jpeg)

The metalworker (not known as the Metaltink for some reason) who straightened the bolt, also knocked up a couple of Tee pieces for the bottom of the doors, I recovered a the metal plates for the corners of the doors, so need to fit them still.  Sadly, I only had the bolt & hasp for this side, the other side has a more modern arrangement

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/42/4934-120816094441-428222163.jpeg)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Bealman on August 16, 2016, 07:27:13 AM
Going from strength to strength, buddy!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on August 16, 2016, 08:42:15 AM
Dare I say it.... but the next update will actually show some baseboards emerging!
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Bealman on August 16, 2016, 09:40:45 AM
Cool. Hope you're not going to be watching TV while bangin' nails in !
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on August 16, 2016, 10:10:05 AM
I will, once I get a slightly longer power cable!  It has a built in DVD player, so will move my DVD library out too :)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Mito on August 16, 2016, 08:19:01 PM
And the dart board? ???
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on August 16, 2016, 08:39:29 PM
There has been many a brawl & spilt blood in the Golf Inn at the annual PRPS darts tournament (hotly contested between the railwaymen, the refiners, the roughnecks & the distillers) when people have attempted to foreshorten the "ochie".... so the dart board will remain in one of the other PRPS bothies so that the correct distance can be maintained while the teams practice :)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/43/4934-160816203140-430071161.jpeg)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Mito on August 16, 2016, 09:08:57 PM
I'm all for outdoor sports. Is the instrument hanging below the dart board for keeping order?
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on August 16, 2016, 09:17:55 PM
You got it, if it kicks off... this bad boy does the "torqueing" and everyone listens ;)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on August 17, 2016, 07:08:26 AM
The day has finally dawned, after 4 years of being displaced & homeless, the PRPS is finally putting down permanent roots with the construction of the 1st baseboard.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/42/4934-120816094316-42817525.jpeg)

This is the section that passes part of the Gleneagles Kings Course (opened in 1919) and climbs up to Auchterarder station that serves the grand Gleneagles hotel (where the Chelsea girls recently stayed)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/42/4934-120816094328-42818800.jpeg)

Like Number 10 buses, you wait 4 years for a baseboard and 2 come along at once!

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/42/4934-120816094348-42819118.jpeg)

View from the south

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/42/4934-120816094405-428201182.jpeg)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Bealman on August 17, 2016, 07:18:55 AM
You certainly don't muck around!   :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Mito on August 17, 2016, 05:46:54 PM
I hope the installation was suitably celebrated :beers: The wine rack looks good.
You are now getting dangerously near testing trains time. Looking forward to seeing that. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on August 17, 2016, 06:16:41 PM
Oh yes :) :beers:  I am looking at where I could put a mini fridge :)  will need to wait until all the boards are built with the relevant pull out bits to see what under-board space I an left with.  The rack is an old artefact from the labs at Grangemouth refinery.. I managed to rescue it from the skip about 20+ years ago - it was the rack the glassblower used to store all his bits in... back in the day when chemist's designed their own apparatus and there was a glass blower on hand to make it!
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Mito on August 17, 2016, 09:25:19 PM
It looks a lovely bit of furniture. Just right for keeping all those little things that have a tendency to grow legs and disappear.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Chris in Prague on August 17, 2016, 10:05:17 PM
Really coming on fast now, Andrew. I will write about the Chelsea Girls highly enjoyable Scottish stay, later. Now, I'm trying to postpone everything that does not have to be done immediately so as to get on with Cant Cove.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: cornish yorkie on August 17, 2016, 10:42:13 PM
 :hellosign: Cracking work Andrew
regards Derek.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on August 18, 2016, 07:04:33 AM
More baseboard progress to report, this board will be the PRPS station/HQ

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/42/4934-120816094500-428241504.jpeg)

And finally for this corner, the board that will carry the PRPS hidden storage sidings

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/42/4934-120816094520-428251020.jpeg)

This is the other bit of the PRPS HQ where the visible sidings will be, I had to move the storage shelves from it's earlier ideal position due to a wee "oversight"!

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/42/4934-120816094535-42826674.jpeg)

.... and here is that oversight... In an earlier post I showed the position of the boards down the long edge at the same height, but forgot I wanted a drop in the scenery... so when I re-adjusted them the board was too low for the cubby hole unit to sit underneath  :doh:  it was a shame as it was the only place I had enough space between the sockets.  I will also need to rebuild them wider though, so the boards could can the lines that run down to the storage sidings on the refinery board

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/42/4934-120816094541-428271716.jpeg)

I was looking for that scalpel for ages!
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Bealman on August 18, 2016, 07:23:19 AM
Lucky it didn't land on yer foot  ;)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Chris in Prague on August 18, 2016, 10:04:32 PM
Thanks for the latest updates, Andrew. Very good to see the baseboards going up.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: cornish yorkie on August 18, 2016, 11:38:24 PM
 :hellosign: Thanks for the latest updates Andrew   :greatpicturessign:
regards Derek.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on August 19, 2016, 06:54:02 AM
Thanks Chris & Derek, very satisfying to be at that point finally

But there was still some work to do on the outside, but it is almost there - roof material trimmed and wedged + a rain diverter added

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/42/4934-120816094609-42828958.jpeg)

You can see here the wider board for the dropped section & starting to think about the surface layer

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/42/4934-120816094615-42829146.jpeg)

And the refinery board makes it's debut

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/42/4934-120816094631-42830682.jpeg)




Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Bealman on August 19, 2016, 07:00:03 AM
Do you know, I've always wondered what those things on my wagon roofs were? Now I know!   :-[

Thanks!  :beers:
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on August 19, 2016, 07:10:47 AM
No worries - it could do with being a bit lower down, but it is well fixed down, so won't be moved, but it does make a difference to the amount of rainwater that drips down over the doorway on a typical summers day in Perthshire

But your post has got me thinking, time to start hunting for a small thermostatic heater!
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Chris in Prague on August 19, 2016, 07:13:47 AM
Yes, with autumn (alas) fast approaching, fitting a thermostatic heater is a very good idea. You also need to have its cable installed out of the way of the railway layout.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: daveg on August 19, 2016, 08:00:18 AM
No worries - it could do with being a bit lower down, but it is well fixed down, so won't be moved, but it does make a difference to the amount of rainwater that drips down over the doorway on a typical summers day in Perthshire

But your post has got me thinking, time to start hunting for a small thermostatic heater!

Coming along very nicely.  :thumbsup:

Just a thought but with all that rain you mentioned, would humidity also be a bit of a challenge? A portable dehumidifier may be an option to consider.

Dave G
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on August 19, 2016, 08:42:44 AM
You also need to have its cable installed out of the way of the railway layout.

Thanks Chris.... what is your concern?  was not quite understanding what you meant  :-[
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on August 19, 2016, 08:54:35 AM

[/quote]

Just a thought but with all that rain you mentioned, would humidity also be a bit of a challenge? A portable dehumidifier may be an option to consider.

Dave G
[/quote]

I had that worry too when I was fitting the insulation... how humid it would be, so far it has not been a problem, but I have also looked at these units too.... the potential shopping list for underboard items now runs to:
Mini Fridge
Thermostatic heater
De-humidifier

:)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Chris in Prague on August 19, 2016, 09:53:21 AM
Good morning Andrew, I was just thinking that the heater (and any dehumidiser) need to have their power cables fixed out of the way of the baseboards so it would be best to fix them in place before completing work on the assembly of the baseboards?
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on August 20, 2016, 06:53:56 AM
I bought this chap on ebay a couple of years ago, finally has a home now, though I am not sure about bolting it down directly to the floor - might bolt it to a plinth on castors as it's intended location is a bit "nippit" and being fixed down will cause inconvenience!  I have lost the details on it, so can't recall what kind of loco it came out of :(  will recheck the tags underneath and see if I can deduce it from that.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/42/4934-120816094649-42831275.jpeg)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/42/4934-120816094706-42832800.jpeg)

A shot of the completed outside, in a lovely light

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/42/4934-120816094721-428331418.jpeg)

As I mentioned earlier, did not find the bolt & hasp for both doors

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/42/4934-120816094754-42835422.jpeg)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Yet_Another on August 20, 2016, 03:01:02 PM
A shot of the completed outside, in a lovely light

([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/42/4934-120816094721-428331418.jpeg[/url])


Awesome!

It looks like a wagon standing at a wooden platform.
 :thumbsup: :thankyousign:
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on August 20, 2016, 03:25:30 PM
 :thumbsup: very true Tony, I didn't spot that - but see what you mean now
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Mito on August 20, 2016, 09:47:11 PM
Absolutely ace :thumbsup:  All you need now is a brute trolley.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: cornish yorkie on August 20, 2016, 09:51:14 PM
 :hellosign: gotta agree the outside is looking brilliant thanks for the updates
regards Derek.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on August 21, 2016, 07:03:13 AM
As a bit of a change from building baseboards, a request was received by the PRPS Carriage & Wagons Dept from the Blackford Refinery for a wagon capable of carrying large steel plates - as they are preparing to expand the refinery, they will need large steel sheets for the floating roof tanks amongst other things. After a bit of research, the PRPS team set about creating one of these

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/43/4934-210816064909-430652454.png)

They were able to acquire a suitable donor

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/42/4934-120816094741-428341234.jpeg)

(I hope no one is going to tell me these wagons are extremely rare!)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/42/4934-120816094800-428361567.jpeg)

And set about removing the Container Trailers

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/42/4934-120816094823-428371837.jpeg)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/42/4934-120816094824-428381472.jpeg)

The trailers are now surplus to requirements and discussions have been opened with local hauliers & farmers to find disposal options.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on August 22, 2016, 06:54:32 AM
Back to baseboards and I fitted a workbench, that due to the space restrictions, will slide under the refinery board when not in use

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/42/4934-120816094847-428391779.jpeg)

Time to start cutting some baseboard tops to shape

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/42/4934-120816094853-428402428.jpeg)

As I said before, this will be the area where the PRPS will live, the geographical area is emerging as Muthill on the old Crieff Junction Railway, the next station down the line towards Gleneagles is Tullibardine.  I have been working on the backstory and hope to post an update soon

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/42/4934-120816094908-42841553.jpeg)

Also got around to fitting a shelf to take the two benchtop sockets, with integral USB charging points, very handy in this day and age!

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/42/4934-120816094926-42842863.jpeg)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: daveg on August 22, 2016, 07:20:05 AM
Excellent space, great planning and neat woodwork as well ...not that I'm jealous or anything!  :envy: :'(

Dave G
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Bealman on August 22, 2016, 07:44:55 AM
Wot Dave said  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on August 22, 2016, 08:43:32 AM
Thanks guys, delighted with how it is coming together, not had a proper dedicated railway space since about 1983, so I am fair chuffed with it :)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Bealman on August 22, 2016, 08:48:42 AM
You should be!

It's awesome, and it would be great to see it in the NGS Journal or one of the mainstream magazines one of these days!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Chris in Prague on August 22, 2016, 08:57:32 AM
I second all the above comments, Andrew. Thanks for another great set of updates.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on August 22, 2016, 08:58:21 AM
Cheers George & Chris, I had wondered about the NGS, having read again about the request for articles, I was not sure if the Van renovation would be appropriate, being 1:1 rather than 1:148!  Plus I need to see how modelling skills measure up once I start the build proper!
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Ditape on August 22, 2016, 10:11:44 AM
Cheers George & Chris, I had wondered about the NGS, having read again about the request for articles, I was not sure if the Van renovation would be appropriate, being 1:1 rather than 1:148!  Plus I need to see how modelling skills measure up once I start the build proper!
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Mito on August 22, 2016, 09:42:43 PM
Great progress. I don't see why the renovation shouldn't be included in an article. It's all part of the construction of your layout and also it would be different to the normal run of articles.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Yet_Another on August 22, 2016, 10:44:40 PM
Absolutely. A diary can be just as interesting as a 'how to'.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on August 23, 2016, 07:26:06 AM
The first section of top board goes down for gluing, duly painted and weighted down by brackets and angles that used to form part of the floor beams - really heavy and ideal for the job, just wish I had cleaned them better before I used them!  I started off using 3mm ply, but think I will change that to 6mm.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/42/4934-120816094928-428431982.jpeg)

This is what the bit of the van looked like a couple of years ago

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/43/4934-220816235514-43082187.jpeg)

Here you can see where one of the brackets used to be, on the beam on the right hand side of the pic

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/43/4934-230816071714-43105537.jpeg)

Next section being glued down, I think I need to investigate a better system

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/42/4934-120816094957-428442232.jpeg)

Moving day has arrived!

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/42/4934-120816095000-42845337.jpeg)

Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Bealman on August 23, 2016, 07:35:16 AM
At least your weighting system has a bit of class... champagne is better than the beer bottles some of our members use (me included)  ;D
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: port perran on August 23, 2016, 08:01:45 AM
Fascinating stuff. Keep the updates coming.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Newportnobby on August 23, 2016, 10:21:52 AM
Nice to see the layout ready at the back of the mancave but I reckon it's going to look a little lost in all that space and also think you have too much stock for it :laugh3:
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on August 23, 2016, 10:32:03 AM
 :hmmm:  maybe I should start looking for another van to expand into :) 

............ but you are right about the excess of stock! (this pic does not include two 35L boxes with vans & wagons!)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Lachute on August 23, 2016, 01:58:42 PM
 :hellosign:
At least your weighting system has a bit of class... champagne is better than the beer bottles some of our members use (me included)  ;D
:laughabovepost: :laughabovepost: :laughabovepost:

Very interesting posts. :thankyousign:     A nice place for a layout.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on August 23, 2016, 02:05:02 PM
With all the DCC conversions I am doing, the budget can't stretch to Champagne, but this was a very nice Sancerre (obtainable through Costco)  :beers:

A notable number of Loire Valley occupants would tell you though that a fine Sancerre is classier than a Champagne :) 
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on August 24, 2016, 06:58:09 AM
PRPS storage sidings/Fiddle Yard at Muthill ready to receive the cork underlay

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/42/4934-120816095027-428471858.jpeg)

With the amount of clutter essentials I have, will need to maximise storage!

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/42/4934-120816095020-42846675.jpeg)

A few firsts for me on this layout - my first use of cork as an underlay

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/42/4934-120816095041-428481175.jpeg)

Getting dangerously close to having some track down (as well as a bit close to the wall!)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/42/4934-120816095102-42850525.jpeg)

My last layout had a lot of ST-5/ST-6 turnouts.... after reading the forum for the past year, I won't use them on the main layout lines, but I wanted to use some of them... the other few dozen will no doubt end up on ebay!
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Chris in Prague on August 24, 2016, 07:58:46 AM
"A notable number of Loire Valley occupants would tell you though that a fine Sancerre is classier than a Champagne". I think Monique (of the Chelsea Girls) would concur. 8-)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on August 25, 2016, 07:14:56 AM
Almost 2 years to the day when B769316 landed, we have the first track laid in the 1st of 2 storage sidings :claphappy:  :beers:

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/42/4934-120816095106-42851270.jpeg)

1st rolling stock to be shunted into number one road was the carriages recently arrived from the CLPG for preparatory works

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/42/4934-120816095142-428531393.jpeg)

The shunters used them to get used to the new track layout, with the permanent way gang looking anxiously on

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/42/4934-120816095129-428521702.jpeg)

Here they are in number 3 road, the plan with number 2 road is to have a removable cartridge to allow for more rolling stock to be stored & introduced as the running operations dictate.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/42/4934-120816095200-42854564.jpeg)

They patiently wait to be moved into the preparation area - the track gang furiously laying track panels ahead of them!

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/42/4934-120816095218-428551855.jpeg)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Chris in Prague on August 25, 2016, 07:23:19 AM
Thank you, Andrew, for this latest update. Great to see the track is being laid. The two ex-BR Mark 1 carriages, now in grey undercoat, safely arrived at Cant Cove and have been transferred to the cavern under Trevelver Castle for further attention! Lady Penelope was, thanks to her influence at BR WR HQ, able to receive both with the latest Swindon designed B4 bogies fitted!
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: port perran on August 25, 2016, 07:46:14 AM
Excellent to see track laid.
The van looks absolutely brilliant. Great work.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Newportnobby on August 25, 2016, 09:48:53 AM
Good to see tracklaying happening in the fiddle yard, and very neat straight track too :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Bealman on August 25, 2016, 10:21:17 AM
Great progress.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: cornish yorkie on August 25, 2016, 12:36:26 PM
 :hellosign: Great progress Andrew, thanks for the updates
regards Derek
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on August 26, 2016, 06:59:30 AM
A general view of the van and it's tidy interior  :-[

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/42/4934-120816095230-42857583.jpeg)

An "aerial" view of the track laying progress, you can see the survey gangs flags still in place on road 8 :)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/42/4934-120816095252-428582151.jpeg)

And there we have it, the Muthill fiddle yard (or storage sidings, I can't decide which) is complete  :claphappy: except for the wiring .... although there is already a planning application lodged with the local authority to extend it into some vacant land adjacent to the yard :)  Watch this space

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/42/4934-120816095301-428591943.jpeg)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Bealman on August 26, 2016, 07:09:25 AM
How straight's that!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on August 26, 2016, 07:29:12 AM
Here is the vacant land that the society hopes to acquire for expansion :)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/43/4934-260816071744-431081920.jpeg)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Bealman on August 26, 2016, 07:43:11 AM
 :laughabovepost:
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: daveg on August 26, 2016, 07:58:53 AM
Far too neat and tidy.  :D

Puts my place to shame!  :-[

Dave G
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Chris in Prague on August 26, 2016, 08:21:03 AM
Progressing very well, Andrew.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Newportnobby on August 26, 2016, 10:31:20 AM
Excellent stuff. I'm sure that as progress is made and things become more organised/tidier, the vacant land could be had for a suitable price ;)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: cornish yorkie on August 26, 2016, 12:38:55 PM
 :hellosign: Nice yard Andrew, looking good, thanks for the updates
regards Derek.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on August 27, 2016, 07:00:45 AM
More expansion today with one half of the main baseboard built

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/42/4934-120816095347-428612319.jpeg)

Was almost a bit too precisely measured, but with a bit of wiggling, it fitted!

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/42/4934-120816095326-42860143.jpeg)

Now with the branch line board fixed in

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/42/4934-120816095349-428621039.jpeg)

The permanent way gang were also busy down at Muthill, bringing the line through to the station from the storage yards

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/42/4934-120816095424-428641368.jpeg)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Chris in Prague on August 27, 2016, 09:13:12 AM
Very good to see not only baseboards being completed but tracklaying progressing quickly, too, Andrew. Any thoughts as to which will be the first 'test' loco.? Mine was an old (bought DCC-fitted) BR Maroon Class 52 "Western", hardly authentic for North Cornwall even after the WR track upgrading!
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: cornish yorkie on August 27, 2016, 11:32:30 AM
 :hellosign: All coming along very nicely Andrew, look forward to more
regards Derek.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on August 27, 2016, 02:28:34 PM
Thanks Derek, having a diary of updates while I am at work helps keep me sane!

Thanks too Chris, there is indeed thoughts of what will be the testing loco and rolling stock, the choice, while surprising to some, was merely the result of practicalities (i.e. what was to hand!).... as the huge task of relocating all the PRPS collection from it's temporary sidings to it's new permanent home, the team has started with the smaller locomotives first so as the haulier could gain confidence in the roads he would be traversing with the bigger locos.  Pictures will be in tomorrow's update :)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on August 28, 2016, 07:04:35 AM
The rolling stock is starting to arrive on the PRPS lines, the first priority was to move the carriages recently arrived from the CLPG into the preparation area - fortunately a suitable loco was on hand to do the shunting (to the sound of some disagreeable mutterings from the more patriotic members)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/42/4934-120816095417-428631662.jpeg)

Some more testing of the new lines was carried out as the day went on

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/42/4934-120816095441-42865101.jpeg)

Gauging runs on the tunnel entrance clearances were also successful

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/42/4934-120816095454-42866191.jpeg)

The painting team wasted no time in getting stuck into the CLPG carriages - once all the fixtures and fittings were stripped off, it was into the pre-painting preparation pod

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/42/4934-120816095511-428672004.jpeg)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: daveg on August 28, 2016, 07:27:28 AM
Looking good - hope you got the passengers off before that dunking!  :)

Dave G
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Maurits71 on August 28, 2016, 08:29:58 AM
lovely curve into the tunnel.

what's the stuff you use to remove paint ?
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Newportnobby on August 28, 2016, 09:49:29 AM
I generally find bridge and tunnel portals are very high so I slice some off the base and then the tunnel/bridge bore is tighter and looks more realistic :hmmm:
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on August 28, 2016, 10:25:28 AM
Looking good - hope you got the passengers off before that dunking!  :)

Dave G

Thanks Dave ..... let me just investigate that with the trainee guard responsible for that check!
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on August 28, 2016, 10:27:38 AM
lovely curve into the tunnel.

what's the stuff you use to remove paint ?

Thanks Maurits - it is brake fluid, as recommended by some of the master loco restorers on the forum.  I leave things to soak for 2-3 days then give a gentle brush with an old toothbrush
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on August 28, 2016, 10:29:43 AM
I generally find bridge and tunnel portals are very high so I slice some off the base and then the tunnel/bridge bore is tighter and looks more realistic :hmmm:

That's a good idea, thanks Mick - this one is a kind of plaster casting portal - should be easy enough to do though with the dremmel.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Maurits71 on August 28, 2016, 11:28:18 AM
wouldn't use a dremmel, can get too hot and meld your plastic. use a sharp knife ( watch your fingers, guess how I know ) and once you re half way judt break the last bit off.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Chris in Prague on August 28, 2016, 11:32:49 AM
I generally find bridge and tunnel portals are very high so I slice some off the base and then the tunnel/bridge bore is tighter and looks more realistic :hmmm:

That's a good idea, thanks Mick - this one is a kind of plaster casting portal - should be easy enough to do though with the dremmel.

Plaster is brittle material, it might be easier to excavate two suitably sized holes for the tunnel's 'feet'? Then plaster fill around them, which would prevent any gap showing.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on August 28, 2016, 12:51:39 PM
wouldn't use a dremmel, can get too hot and meld your plastic. use a sharp knife ( watch your fingers, guess how I know ) and once you re half way judt break the last bit off.

Thanks Maurits - the portal I was going to use here is like a plaster of paris cast.... that is why I thought the dremmel could work ... though then there is the dust to consider!
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: port perran on August 28, 2016, 08:56:49 PM
A small fine saw should cut through plaster nicely if used gently.
Does make a mess though!
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on August 29, 2016, 07:25:37 AM
The permanent way gang ran out of some core materials (cork underlay) so there is a chance to show some progress in the paint shop

Here is 34035 "Shaftesbury" undergoing it's transformation to 34085 "501 Squadron"

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/42/4934-120816095520-42868170.jpeg)

Another project currently in the paint shop is a J50

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/42/4934-120816095534-42869387.jpeg)

And here is the Southern M7 that is undergoing a conversion into CR 439 Class number 419 - seen here being prepared to receive new chimney, dome & safety valves

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/42/4934-120816095916-4288843.jpeg)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Chris in Prague on August 29, 2016, 07:51:05 AM
Thanks for these photos., Andrew. I look forward to seeing how these models progress. There are various detailing kits available for the old Graham Farish Bulleid Pacifics and steam locos. in general which you could use. For example, N Brass Locomotives (www.nbrasslocos.co.uk (http://www.nbrasslocos.co.uk)) make Bulleid 4-6-2 Front bogies, Vacuum pipes, Lamp Brackets SR, Screwlink Couplings, Drawhooks, and Handrail wire; whilst the N Gauge Society produces nameplate and number kits for locos. Shire Scenes make Fire Irons, Springside Models make BR White Head & Tail Lamps, whilst P&D Marsh make Loco. Detailing Packs. Eventually, I will use these (I have had them all for several years) to upgrade my Bulleid Light Pacifics.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on August 29, 2016, 10:04:55 AM
Thanks Chris, I have collected quite a lot of the loco & Golden Arrow detail parts (just can't find the regimental plate for the boiler side - but might have found a solution to that at BR Lines).... but I will be happy if I can get a half decent paint job & the decals right!  Thanks to Ozmandias, I have found the right lining and plan to use BR Green (Humbrol AA0031) .... I note Fox Transfers recommend gloss paint for their transfers... so will try that and then use a satin varnish.  How far down the detailing route I go I am not sure yet.   
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: maridunian on August 29, 2016, 11:15:29 AM
I generally find bridge and tunnel portals are very high so I slice some off the base and then the tunnel/bridge bore is tighter and looks more realistic :hmmm:


Do check all your stock before deciding where to cut. Since installing cut-down tunnel portals  (and worse, an undersized arch in a scratch-scratch built viaduct), I've put some locos into service (eg (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/9/thumb_33767.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=31053.msg353768#msg353768) and (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/12/thumb_32182.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=28320.msg311126#msg311126))


which foul the shoulder/tops of the arches.

Wouldn't happen if all my models were true to scale of course ...  :-[

Mike
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: cornish yorkie on August 29, 2016, 10:03:00 PM
 :hellosign: Thanks for the  :greatpicturessign: & the latest updates, all looking good Andrew
regards Derek.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on August 30, 2016, 07:21:11 AM
With the continuing delay to progressing the track, the Carriage & Wagon dept. have been busy addressing the problem of leaving passengers in the dark when they run their older LNER carriages that need gas for lighting.  To this end they are bringing one of these guys into production

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/43/4934-210816064823-43011914.png)

Started with some 8mm tubing cut to scale length

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/42/4934-120816095556-428721690.jpeg)

The initial plan is to build a 2 tank version and a 3 tank version

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/42/4934-120816095551-42871582.jpeg)

After a bit of a search for something suitable, I formed the dome ends from some 8mm rubber "bumpers" from Wickes (the blobs you put on cupboard doors and the like to stop them banging on closure)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/42/4934-120816095615-428732233.jpeg)

In other news, The Caley loco emerges from the paint shop to test the shade, (should have photographed it in daylight......)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/43/4934-290816090609-432011832.jpeg)

Here is the comparator.....

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/43/4934-300816071337-432031573.jpeg)

The painters are still debating whether it needs to be a bit lighter

Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Newportnobby on August 30, 2016, 10:22:11 AM
I generally find bridge and tunnel portals are very high so I slice some off the base and then the tunnel/bridge bore is tighter and looks more realistic :hmmm:

Do check all your stock before deciding where to cut.

Very true, Mike. I don't think anything with a raised pantograph would go through mine now, not that I have any such thing on the layout :no:
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on August 31, 2016, 06:56:14 AM
Who knew how long it would take to deliver cork underlay!

Bit more progress on the trestle wagon - have removed the low girder edges

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/42/4934-120816095615-428731462.jpeg)

And then its time to lose the Penn Cen livery

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/42/4934-120816095633-428752269.jpeg)

Here is a mock up of the 3 tank gas tank wagon

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/42/4934-120816095650-42876984.jpeg)

Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on September 01, 2016, 07:14:32 AM
With other things getting in the way of making headway with the track bed, managed to progress the gas tank wagon project a little bit.  I am using a spare 15' chassis from the spares box, made a recess for the weight with some plasticard strips

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/42/4934-120816095706-428781641.jpeg)

One of the wagons will use the natural recess of the wagon body, one will need a new base, plasticard time again

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/42/4934-120816095721-42879411.jpeg)

This one will be the 3 tank version, so I need to find something to rest the top tank on

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/42/4934-120816095727-428802039.jpeg)

I have developed a habit of keeping sprues from kits and other things, this one is from those little drawer dividers you get with some small part drawer sets

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/42/4934-120816095802-428821673.jpeg)

Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Webbo on September 02, 2016, 02:49:28 AM
Andrew, this thread is a fine chronicle of your progress in fixing up your 'shed' and laying the basis for the railway to come.

It well demonstrates your construction/modelling skill and thoughtfulness. I'm very much looking forward to seeing the layout develop.

Webbo
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on September 02, 2016, 07:02:08 AM
Thanks Webbo!  appreciate the feedback

The cork underlay has been despatched... so there will be some movement on the trackwork soon.

Here is the 3 gas tank model on it's chassis - the tanks are central, the close up, wide angle suggests otherwise though!

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/42/4934-120816095749-428812327.jpeg)

And the sprue cut done to the right lengh (once the saltire is removed) - I am going to have to make it thinner....

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/42/4934-120816095816-428831737.jpeg)

Meanwhile, the CLPG carriages have emerged from the preparation shop and are being readied for the next stage in their refurbishment

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/42/4934-120816095829-428841379.jpeg)

The main change has been the removal of the old "felt" from the roof, along with the decals

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/42/4934-120816095838-428851826.jpeg)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Bealman on September 02, 2016, 07:28:34 AM
More great updates. Thanks for posting!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Chris in Prague on September 02, 2016, 10:51:52 AM
Many thanks for these updates, Andrew. The CLPG painters are still working on the coaches. Photos. are expected soon.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on September 03, 2016, 07:30:53 AM
With their recent unexpected exposure due to the delay in receiving more trackbed materials, the PRPS Carriage & Wagon dept provided some news on a new project they are undertaking - the refurbishment of 3 derelict mk 1 mainline coaches they had languishing in a forgotten siding.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/42/4934-120816095900-428871265.jpeg)

The plan is a green & cream livery, as seen on the steam hauled trains that ran on the West Highland Extension between Fort William & Mallaig in the '80's

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/42/4934-120816095940-428891935.jpeg)

With the green applied, it was masked off, ready to receive the cream - the first proper use of my airbrush!

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/42/4934-120816095943-42890933.jpeg)

The 2 tank gas wagon emerged from the paintshop (to be replaced by the CLPG carriages) - the 1st slight problem being encountered .. the acrylic Perspex took the paint well, but even after 48 hours... the rubber domes were not dry...... to try and seal it, I applied some starbond superglue (as used in carpentry) and that did the trick, it dries clear (and hopefully does not go yellowish over time) - once I add the final details, it will get another light coat of paint

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/42/4934-120816095854-428862036.jpeg)
 
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Chris in Prague on September 03, 2016, 10:38:42 AM
Thanks for the latest updates, Andrew. Glad you solved the problem of painting the 'dome' ends.

Alas, those coaches are not BR Standard Mark 1s but generic Graham Farish pre-BR design 'Mainline' ones. However, just like the SRPS has its own train (albeit BR Mark 1s and in BR Maroon, I think), the PRPS could have its own rake in its own livery approved to run over BR.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on September 03, 2016, 11:37:24 AM
Thanks Chris, I will get the hang of identifying coaches one of these days :)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Chris in Prague on September 03, 2016, 11:45:32 AM
I believe that, in the past, preserved pre-BR coaches were approved to run over BR in passenger use (as long as they had steel underframes and were limited to a lower maximum speed), so your coaches are not 'stretching' 'Rule One', Andrew. 8-)

BTW, those gas cylinder wagons were used for delivering gas, generated elsewhere, for gas-lit coaches; they did not travel, normally, in passenger carrying trains, I think. Their use certainly lasted into early BR days.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on September 04, 2016, 06:59:13 AM
With the arrival of the underlay, track progress has been made - this will be the main running line through the station at Muthill - the point at the top was to lead into a bay platform, but from this angle and perspective, I might not have left enough room.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/42/4934-120816100006-428911894.jpeg)

Here you have an "aerial" view of what will become the climb to Tullibardine

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/42/4934-120816100006-42892335.jpeg)

There has been a bit of progress externally, can't decide whether to make what is supposed to be a fire pit (SWMBO design change) into a James Bond-esque trapdoor as part of the van's security arrangements (though it's success would depend on a very specific approach path)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/42/4934-120816100056-42894510.jpeg)

The trackbed now in place for the climb - I have kept all the gradients at 1.3% time will tell if the loco's can cope with that!

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/42/4934-120816100031-428931097.jpeg)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Chris in Prague on September 04, 2016, 07:11:40 AM
Thanks for the latest update, Andrew. A 'man trap' sounds like a good idea, especially as you can, rightly, claim it was a fire pit for cooking.

There's been a lot of discussion about inclines and the climbing abilities of various N Gauge locos. on the forum so I'm sure you've researched the specifications for the climb to Tullibardine. Nevertheless, I'd run some test trains before making the incline permanent as some locos. seem better than others at hill-climbing!
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Newportnobby on September 04, 2016, 09:07:13 AM
There looks to be plenty of scope for bringing the bay platform point nearer to the platform thus increasing the room for a decent radius curve to the right after it.
I, too, think you need to conduct some incline testing before permanently fixing it :uneasy:
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on September 05, 2016, 07:21:57 AM
The news today is the emergence from the paint shop of the 2 CLPG carriages that were being worked on for the PRPS friends in Cornwall - they are seen here being marshalled by the station pilot towards the mainline for their onward journey south.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/42/4934-120816100101-428951864.jpeg)

A brief stop at the temporary halt at Muthill for a few final checks

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/42/4934-120816100136-42896330.jpeg)

A hold up is encountered with reports from up the line that there some sheep have strayed onto the line - a messenger boy has been despatched to track down the farmer, the local rake, Jim Finch

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/42/4934-120816100137-4289712.jpeg)

Just have time to show the progress on the Green & Cream set (as is often the case, the picture reveals a few problems with the end result!)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/42/4934-120816100211-428991669.jpeg)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Chris in Prague on September 05, 2016, 07:30:35 AM
Thanks for this update, Andrew. The CLPG is very grateful for the work done on the pair of coaches. The rake of green and cream coaches are coming on very nicely.

I hope that Jum Finch was found and was able to find his trusty sheepdog to get the stray sheep off the line after not too much delay.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on September 06, 2016, 07:23:45 AM
Started laying the track towards Tullibardine

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/42/4934-120816100202-428981700.jpeg)

After a prolonged search, the messenger boy was able to track down Jim Finch, his aging landrover defender being spotted outside the house of Agnes McPhail, wife of Tullibardine's Head Distiller, Peter.  Tongues wag whenever Jim Finch is seen in the company of ladies about town, but these two always court extra controversy, given their frequent, intimate rehearsals together whenever the amateur dramatic society is putting on a new production, but such is their dedication to the society, they often rehearse together even when there is not a new production.

After a lot of knocking, the messenger boy was able to relay the problem and along with Jasper & Bella, his two trusty Labradors, he soon cleared the track of the errant sheep and the CLPG carriages were cleared to depart

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/43/4934-290816090507-431731045.jpeg)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/42/4934-120816100241-429021693.jpeg)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/42/4934-120816100222-429002408.jpeg)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/42/4934-120816100239-429011702.jpeg)

Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Chris in Prague on September 06, 2016, 08:04:29 AM
Thanks for the update and 'local colour;, Andrew. Cant Cove's official photographer is trying to catch up on his backlog of photos., but as soon as they are developed and printed ones of the two coaches will be released.

That's a very nice sweeping curve towards Tullibardine.

Will Jim Finch's aging Landrover Defender be featuring in future photo shoots?
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on September 06, 2016, 08:26:43 AM
Indeed it will, his beloved open top Defender in British Racing Green is his pride & joy & always kept spotless, including the white wheel hubs

I have a long boat journey to "look forward" to tomorrow night back to shore, so I intend to pass the time writing up some more of the back story to the PRPS (assuming I can power my laptop) and build up the characters some more - the aforementioned Mr Finch was seen hanging around Gleneagles a great deal during the visit of the Chelsea girls earlier in the year.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Chris in Prague on September 06, 2016, 08:35:08 AM
I still have to write up the story of the "Chelsea Girls"'s excellent time in Gleneagles. Fortunately, the girls' hosts did their very best to ensure that Mr. Finch was kept busy as much as possible during the girls' visit. When he did manage to be present at an event they were attending, Monique insisted in speaking to him, in Parisian French and, when he was unable to reply, pretended to flounce off exclaiming what had happened to the Auld Alliance! (The girls' hosts also ensured that Mr. Finch was frequently called away due to reports of his sheep straying on the public highway resulting in a stern warning from the local police for neglecting his fences.)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on September 06, 2016, 09:08:52 AM
Little bit more progress to report on the gas tank project, that old bit of yellow sprue has been fashioned into the footing for the top tank

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/42/4934-120816100259-42903748.jpeg)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Bealman on September 06, 2016, 09:21:52 AM
You are indeed a man of many talents. Looking great!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on September 07, 2016, 07:26:48 AM
Thanks George  :-[  still got some way to go to match the standard of the layouts & modellers on the forum, but it will be fun trying :)

...... the 3rd tank now fitted (just noticed a big gap in the track there!)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/43/4934-290816090555-432001136.jpeg)

The 2 tank variant just ready for final touches, painting and lettering (and some couplers)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/43/4934-290816090622-432022156.jpeg)

The green and cream coaches, roughly re-assembled, these were old spares and repairs, so will need a bit of tinkering to get them all tidy before some decals and a final protective coating is applied

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/43/4934-290816090531-431981757.jpeg)

A test run up the hill for two of the 3 carriages

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/43/4934-290816090550-431992211.jpeg)

A just time for a shot of the 3 tank gas wagon as it gets shunted back into the workshops to get final details and decals - there is still some debate amongst the Carriage and Wagon department members over the final livery, but a dark grey seems to be winning the debate.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/43/4934-290816090517-43197407.jpeg)


Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Chris in Prague on September 07, 2016, 07:32:44 AM
Thanks for the latest update, Andrew. The coaches look superb. The two-tank gas cylinder wagon looks good, too, but I think the three-tank one looks rather top heavy and a little too tall? However, if it is for internal use?
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on September 07, 2016, 08:43:37 AM
Thanks Chris, I will check it against a coach this week, but the drawings I was working to has the height at 12' 8.1/2 ", so only an inch lower than the Mk 1 coach... I still have to add the straps and bracings that secure the tanks

If it proves to be too tall, then it's use may well be restricted to internal or static display purposes at the PRPS HQ but it has been an enjoyable 1st foray into scratch-building
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: cornish yorkie on September 08, 2016, 12:43:33 PM
 :hellosign: Nice work Andrew &  :greatpicturessign: thanks for the updates
regards Derek.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on October 08, 2016, 07:25:02 AM
After a slightly longer than anticipated delay due to some work issues, I have some time to resume some updates to PRPS.

You may recall the "vacant lot" that the PRPS negotiated access to, work has progressed to level the area and get the ballast down

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/44/4934-081016003311-44158778.jpeg)

At the other end of the line, work progressed on surveying the route from Muthill to Tullibardine

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/44/4934-081016003304-441002200.jpeg)

With the area graded and spread, the permanent way gang was able to start preparing to extend the sidings

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/44/4934-081016003328-441602235.jpeg)

With the trackbed at Tullibardine surveyed, the baseboard was glued down in the usual fashion!

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/44/4934-081016003325-44159269.jpeg)



Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: port perran on October 08, 2016, 07:45:27 AM
Very nice work indeed Andrew.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on October 09, 2016, 09:12:40 AM
Tracklaying to extend the Muthill fiddle yard has progressed well

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/44/4934-081016003342-44161391.jpeg)

Track testing and occupancy followed soon after with lots of stock ready to fill the new sidings!

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/44/4934-081016003348-441621724.jpeg)

With the baseboards fixed, cork was laid for the station approach to Tullibardine, there will be a small passing loop here (3 carriages max) and a couple of sidings, maybe a loco shed/loco servicing area or just goods sidings

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/44/4934-081016003355-441632278.jpeg)

To improve illumination and create a bit of extra storage space, I started fitting the brackets for the lighting shelf, all the while trying to remember where the joists were behind the cladding!

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/44/4934-081016003404-44164233.jpeg)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Newportnobby on October 09, 2016, 09:25:00 AM
Excellent, although your rate of progress is embarrassing me (and maybe a few others) :-[
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on October 09, 2016, 09:57:50 AM
Thanks Mick - my update's are condensed, as you my have noticed, I go quiet for a while then have a burst of updates, so it might give the wrong impression!  I have been starved of space for a layout for a few years though, so it is great to have an outlet again and that is driving my enthusiasm, I am also keen to get to a point where I can actually run some loco's again... and that is getting close :)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Newportnobby on October 09, 2016, 11:47:57 AM
I am also keen to get to a point where I can actually run some loco's again... and that is getting close :)

Aha! That's when I know progress will slow up :-X
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: daveg on October 09, 2016, 01:48:45 PM
I am also keen to get to a point where I can actually run some loco's again... and that is getting close :)

Aha! That's when I know progress will slow up :-X

How true - fun though!  :thumbsup:

Dave G
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: cornish yorkie on October 09, 2016, 11:18:01 PM
 :hellosign: Thanks for the updates Andrew, excellent progress
regards Derek.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on October 10, 2016, 06:58:30 AM
As soon as they were available, occupancy of the new sidings began

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/44/4934-081016003410-441652147.jpeg)

Having completed the siding extensions, the permanent way gang were able to press on with the trackbed to Tullibardine

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/44/4934-081016003420-44166424.jpeg)

Tracklaying followed soon after, though they were nervous about their first experience of using electrofrog points!

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/44/4934-081016003422-44167894.jpeg)

There is growing excitement about the resumption of passenger services between Muthill - Tullibardine section since it's closure some years earlier.  The first train is planned for tomorrow.  The (revised/parallel universe ::)) history of the line and the PRPS will be posted soon

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/44/4934-081016003438-441691824.jpeg)

Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: daveg on October 10, 2016, 07:54:06 AM
Using flexi to the best advantage - looking great.  :thumbsup:

Dave G
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Webbo on October 10, 2016, 08:09:39 AM
Ploughing ahead at a great rate Andrew. You are in a very satisfying phase in model railway construction I think. I'm wondering about the kink in the track in your last photo. Looks like a chicane. Doesn't look to me like what a real track line would look like. S bends can be causes of derailments if they are too tight. You are going to have a layout which will accommodate nice long trains. Good stuff! Are you planning to remotely control your points?

Webbo
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Chris in Prague on October 10, 2016, 08:21:29 AM
Hi Andrew, I had the same worry as Webbo about the track in the centre of the latest photo.: too many changes of direction in a relatively short length. I would make it more flowing by easing out the 'chicane' section. As Webbo writes, too many sudden changes of direction are likely to cause derailments especially SWB goods stock, I think. Before firmly fixing everything in place, you really need to run a wide variety of test trains at various speeds.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on October 10, 2016, 09:28:42 AM
Thanks for the feedback, the line surveyors were acutely aware of "the kink" as drivers learning the route have dubbed it!  However when the line was originally being cut through the hillside in the 1850's (it will become more obvious when I add the landscaping) the navvies came upon an ancient burial pit for plague victims, marked by a traditional upright stone, as was common in Strathearn and other places  They were not allowed to take the route that they had originally intended, but they took it as close as they could.... it has been tested with all manner of rolling stock with no problems, it is on the branch line and speed restrictions are in place as an extra precaution
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Bealman on October 10, 2016, 09:42:31 AM
I kinda like it as long as the scenery on that section explains why those curves are there  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on October 10, 2016, 10:03:15 AM
No pressure then!  :goggleeyes:
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Newportnobby on October 10, 2016, 10:21:53 AM
I, too, was concerned about the 'kink' but your explanation and the subsequent speed restriction implementation has eased my worries.
I have a DVD with a section about diesels in Scotland and there is a speed restriction of 5mph over a rather small swing bridge!
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on October 10, 2016, 10:26:53 AM
would that be the same one that "The Jacobite" has to traverse in the summer months?
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Newportnobby on October 10, 2016, 10:46:02 AM
would that be the same one that "The Jacobite" has to traverse in the summer months?

Sorry - ask me one on knitting, Andrew :dunce:
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: port perran on October 10, 2016, 11:54:26 AM
I agree with Bealman. I kinda like it too.
If the scenery can fit round it nicely I think it will look pretty good.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on October 10, 2016, 12:01:00 PM
Good stuff! Are you planning to remotely control your points?

Webbo

That is the plan, I think for some (fiddle yard's close to hand) it will be manual control, but I plan a mixture of point motors and wire in tube.  I have 2 x 12 lever frame WiT's to try and a bunch of peco motors for the more remote points.... I am planning ahead a little bit by leaving holes under the point mechanisms for the motors.. but still undecided on whether to use the peco ones or go for some of the other alternatives........ I have only just begun to start the wiring, have put in a few droppers and the power bus, currently researching circuit breakers for power districts...... another minefield for the uninitiated!
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on October 10, 2016, 12:08:18 PM
would that be the same one that "The Jacobite" has to traverse in the summer months?

Sorry - ask me one on knitting, Andrew :dunce:

I had wondered if it was the one at Banavie, by the Neptune's Staircase canal lock system leaving Fort William
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on October 11, 2016, 07:00:00 AM
2-6-4 Fairburn tank loco 2085 with 2 CR coaches forms the inaugural train on the new rails between Muthill & Tullibardine, it is seen here negotiating "the kink".  The run was under DC power.... DCC is the next step for both the railway & the loco.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/44/4934-081016003433-441681349.jpeg)

The photographer managed to get a good vantage point

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/44/4934-081016003445-441701015.jpeg)

The photographer managed to get several good camera positions throughout the day

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/44/4934-081016003453-441711503.jpeg)

As this bottom corner there will be a hill that necessitates a short tunnel, I felt it was a wise to create a small access port should the unfortunate happen and a driver takes "the kink" too fast and derails in the tunnel.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/44/4934-081016003456-441722494.jpeg)

Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Bealman on October 11, 2016, 07:31:47 AM
Lovely loco looking great through the kink!  :thumbsup:

That's a pretty tight curve on the corner though....  but branchline speeds should be fine.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Chris in Prague on October 11, 2016, 07:46:56 AM
Thanks for these photos., Andrew. Very glad to see that the train negotiated the 'kink' without any problems. The CR livery on loco. and coaches does look very fine. I hope that trains will be prevented from plunging down the access port.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Webbo on October 11, 2016, 08:09:47 AM
I agree totally with George and Chris.

The kink allows you to tell a story. Thumbs up from me.

Webbo
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on October 11, 2016, 08:50:40 AM
Thanks for the comments guys... I think you are going to have plenty to say about my tracklaying "abilities" as the layout develops!   :-[

That's a good point Chris about loco's & stock taking a nosedive down the new access port!  I'll have a think about that one

Webbo, the curve is radius 2, that was the minimum I set while I was planning it, so I am "confident" that all the loco's I have should be able to negotiate it... I will have a thorough test session before I start to cover over the hillside!

This is going to be a quirky layout for sure, which in turn will generate a creative and hopefully interesting backstory! 

Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Chris in Prague on October 11, 2016, 09:01:53 AM
I'd make the top of the tunnel removable, Andrew, rather than rely on an access hatch. The edge of the removable piece can be disguised with hedges, walls, bushes or trees. (The cover over my Hex Frog Juicer will have some railwaymen's houses with a garden and garden walls, the walls covering the edge.)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Bealman on October 11, 2016, 09:06:03 AM
The access hole should be fine if you just put a guard there to stop the plunge.... a one inch high bit of cardboard, even.

You will still be able to rescue stranded stock.

The idea of a liftoff top to the tunnel is another excellent idea. I have one on my layout. Joins are concealed by scenery.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: daveg on October 11, 2016, 09:53:38 AM
Agree about a safety guard and easy access not only for 'International Rescue' missions but for cleaning too.

The large tunnel on my layout is in 3 sections and the joins hidden with foliage and the like.

Looking forward to seeing what you get up to!

Dave G
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Newportnobby on October 11, 2016, 10:04:14 AM
And the Fairburn is a 2-6-4T, not a 2-6-2 :telloff: :P
(removes pedant hat ;))
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Bealman on October 11, 2016, 10:05:35 AM
Me too.

In the meantime, here at the antipodes, Australia have just taken on Japan in the football.

See ya!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on October 11, 2016, 10:26:54 AM
Thanks Mick - duly updated :)  my only excuse is that it was early  :sleep:

Thanks Dave, I have a plan with regards track cleaning.... I just hope they can negotiate radius 2 curves!  better check that!

Good luck in the footy!
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: maridunian on October 11, 2016, 04:16:18 PM
As this bottom corner there will be a hill that necessitates a short tunnel, I felt it was a wise to create a small access port should the unfortunate happen and a driver takes "the kink" too fast and derails in the tunnel.


And since we all use tunnels to hide our far-too-tight corners, and drive too fast to avoid stalling on the hard-to-clean track under there, this happens all the time!

Great idea to put an access port into the baseboard though - on my layout I have two cut into the right hand "boundary wall" of the hill ...

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/4/main_37741.JPG)

... and do a lot of poking around with bent coat-hangers. Time to buy a hole saw ....
 
The idea of a liftoff top to the tunnel is another excellent idea. I have one on my layout. Joins are concealed by scenery.

If only I hadn't laid a canal and another railway over mine ...!

Mike
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on October 12, 2016, 07:08:32 AM
With the track in place and wiring droppers added, can start to think about the hill through which it goes

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/44/4934-081016003509-441741305.jpeg)

If I stretch the geography, this hillside will cut through some of the outer holes of the Gleneagles Kings Course or the Queens Course, I have the actual names of the holes, but might have to rename the one that will be on this hill to reflect the presence of the plague victims burial site

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/44/4934-081016003508-44173987.jpeg)

With all the focus & attention being on the track gangs, some of the members of the Carriage & Wagon dept are feeling a bit left out, so here are some of the projects they are working on

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/44/4934-081016003524-44175297.jpeg)

In order to keep the progress going beyond Tullibardine, started to think about the baseboards for the mainline that the PRPS branch connects to - I have switched to 6mm ply for the baseboard now, and will use 50mm Kingspan insulation to provide most of the height I need as all of this baseboard will run at a higher elevation than the PRPS boards.  There is still a bit of framing to be added to this board to complete the baseboards, but I am holding off adding that for now as I already have created a bit of a tight squeeze... so much so at the very back, that I think I will need to relocate my Graham Farish shop display unit

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/44/4934-081016003529-44176763.jpeg)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: daveg on October 12, 2016, 07:22:21 AM
Thanks for the update.

Please do remember to varnish both sides of the ply. That will protect it from whatever glues and scenic materials you use but both sides to avoid any chance of it warping.

Nice work on the wagons.  :thumbsup:

Dave G
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Bealman on October 12, 2016, 07:32:38 AM
I must admit that I've not had problems with unvarnished ply warping. But there again I probably over-engineered the support structures.

That corner tunnel to me is crying out for a liftoff piece of scenery. Shouldn't be hard to arrange.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Chris in Prague on October 12, 2016, 07:37:38 AM
The track and scenic work is progressing at a rapid pace now, Andrew. That is an impressive collection of PO goods stock. I hope your fiddle yard sidings will be long enough to accommodate them all.

The Graham Farish shop display wall cupboard is a very handy way of storing any models that don't fit in the sidings!

The Tullibardine Distillery will, of course, be invited to the future Celtic Cider and Ale Festivals and a stand will be on its way for painting in the distillery's colours, later.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on October 12, 2016, 09:35:00 AM
Thanks for all the comments - I will confess to having only sealed one side of the baseboards.... time will tell if that is sensible!

Thanks for the comments on the PO stock, I was pleased with the way the 5 plank "Cumberland Granite, Bassenthwaite" ones turned out (their presence on the PRPS strongly influenced by many years of childhood holidays in that location), the "ACME Kerosene" ones have been a challenge trying to match the paint colour!  Two that can be seen here are the 7 plank wagons belonging to "Burtt Beehive manufacturers" - with the keen interest in beekeeping in Perthshire, they will feature frequently in the goods traffic.

I fear though, that, despite recent extensions, the sidings will still be inadequate for the amount of stock I have!  that is why there is a missing road on the Muthill sidings, I am still swithering about using a removable cartridge arrangement to have stock stored separately.....

I am thinking hard about how I can hide the edges of a lift out section on this hill as it will be the golf course above... not so easy to use hedges or walls.... though walls across fairways do feature on many a Scottish golf course!  I think I can see a way of doing it that will keep it camouflaged.

The Tullibardine Distillery are eager to display their wares at the upcoming Celtic Cider & Ale Festival, if only as a means of persuading cider and ale drinkers of moving to a more sophisticated indulgence alongside their usual tipple

 
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Newportnobby on October 12, 2016, 10:24:27 AM

The Tullibardine Distillery are eager to display their wares at the upcoming Celtic Cider & Ale Festival, if only as a means of persuading cider and ale drinkers of moving to a more sophisticated indulgence alongside their usual tipple
 

The Sales & Marketing Manager of the distillery is living in cloud cuckoo land as it is not really possible to swill pints of their product. A brave soul could try it but I dread to think what the end result would be!
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on October 12, 2016, 12:28:28 PM
As with all things in life, there is always a happy medium (unless we diverge into topics beyond the grave)

Aly McAteer, Marketing Manager hopes to forge some alliances with the breweries in the south to marry the flavours of the Tullibardine malts with the flavours of the Southern ales, in the same way that Scottish drinkers do... in a practice known as a "Hawf 'n Hawf"... a nip of whiskey and a half pint of ale (IPA or Belhaven Best are popular choices) on the side .... he is not much travelled beyond the boundaries of Perthshire, so he is not acquainted with the drinking habits of rest of the country (or world come to that).

 :beers:
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: port perran on October 12, 2016, 04:13:40 PM
As with all things in life, there is always a happy medium (unless we diverge into topics beyond the grave)

Aly McAteer, Marketing Manager hopes to forge some alliances with the breweries in the south to marry the flavours of the Tullibardine malts with the flavours of the Southern ales, in the same way that Scottish drinkers do... in a practice known as a "Hawf 'n Hawf"... a nip of whiskey and a half pint of ale (IPA or Belhaven Best are popular choices) on the side .... he is not much travelled beyond the boundaries of Perthshire, so he is not acquainted with the drinking habits of rest of the country (or world come to that).

 :beers:
Certainlt the Head Brewer at the Headland Brewery (Port Perran) is happy to forge an alliance with the Tulibardine Distillery.
Personally, I'm not sure about watering down any of my single malt collection with half a pint of bitter !
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on October 12, 2016, 05:41:33 PM
Just for clarity.... not in the same glass obviously :)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/44/4934-121016174002-44402558.jpeg)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Chris in Prague on October 12, 2016, 06:24:05 PM
As soon as the permanent way work is completed in the area, a special train from Wadebridge to Perthshire for a business meeting at the Tullibardine Distillery is scheduled, to be hosted by Aly McAteer, Marketing Manager. The special train, to be hauled by the "Green Dragon" throughout, will be composed of portions from Port Perran and Trepol Bay plus Penmayne and Cant Cove and will convey the senior management and directors of the Headland and Castle Breweries respectively. A connecting train from Withy Junction to Wadebridge will bring their colleagues from the Creech Brewery and Sam's Cider where they will join the special train which will have reserved seats for them. Sylvia and Eli will also be on board to discuss marketing strategies with the assembled senior management and directors in one of the two buffet cars. As usual, the head chefs of the "Railway Hotel", Trepol Bay and "The Railway Hotel", Cant Cove, will be providing the catering for the buffet car in their portions of the train whilst the breweries will be supplying the liquid refreshments. Sylvia has ensured that copious crates of "Castle" natural mineral water will also be on board!
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on October 13, 2016, 07:21:15 AM
Moved onto getting the refinery baseboards fixed into place today

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/44/4934-081016003538-44177823.jpeg)

Progress made on the lighting shelf too, the TV had to be sacrificed though

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/44/4934-131016065214-444181351.jpeg)

Now to see if it all fits, as well as the refinery, this board will carry a second fiddle yard

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/44/4934-081016003551-44179524.jpeg)

Trimmed down to size - it was at this point that I realised the Anyrail plan I had printed 1:1 had an earlier version of the refinery layout on it - will need to freehand it!

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/44/4934-081016003551-441781518.jpeg)

The backstory, once I start posting it, informs us that the Crieff Branch was scheduled for complete closure in July 1964, however in this alternative history, due to the significant dependence on railways and the availability of a trained staff who knew the route, the Distillery and Refinery were successful in adopting the line from Auchterarder to Tullibardine and running it independently, with only the remainder of the line (including Tullibardine) to be closed.  It was these independent railwaymen who then set about forming the PRPS and they managed to secure the line beyond refinery junction to Muthill (though BR still pressed on and lifted the track from Tullibardine to Crieff in it's entirety).  At Muthill, they were also able to secure some adjacent land to the station for workshops and storage sidings and so began what was to become one of Perthshires foremost tourist attractions  :camera:
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: ScottyStitch on October 13, 2016, 08:16:25 AM
For the avoidance of doubt, and from a fellow Perth-ite:

  Muthil - Myoothil, rather than Mut Hill as some have attempted...... ;) :D

Tullibardine - Tully-barDIN, rather than tully-barDINE

Auchterarder - Auch (as in Loch, NOT LOCK) - terardur



As you were.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Webbo on October 13, 2016, 08:36:42 AM
Andrew

Interesting to me that you are planning a refinery. I'm in the process of putting one together for my layout. Based on the Walthers North Island refinery kit with some oil storage tanks, a tankcar loading stage, and some buildings. I thought I had lots of room for this, but it turns out that I don't really. Your brackets for your upper level lighting remind me of what I have installed on my layout. I used strips of LED lights available on EBay from China with plastic channel pieces used as reflectors. Worked out well for me.

You are showing very good progress.

Webbo
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on October 13, 2016, 09:25:47 AM
Thanks for the "translations" Scotty :)

Webbo, thanks for the comments, I built the same refinery kit, there are pics of it's build progress way back at the start of this thread - I also have a Plastruct refinery "kit", which is closer to a bunch of materials to scratch build rather than a kit... but it will allow me to build it into the space available (once I get past my lack of confidence in scratch building).  On my last layout (Closed to all traffic in July 2012), I was developing a tanker loading facility to create a reason for all the tankers I had..... I will try and accommodate that too, though I have ended up with a few different kits & ideas for doing it etc....... not sure which I will go for now

The Walther kits are excellent in my opinion though, I have a few more to complete (though I fear I will run out of space very quickly) :)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Webbo on October 13, 2016, 11:29:58 PM
Andrew, thanks for pointing me back to your refinery construction. Your refinery looks like it has been through the wars. VERY effective paint job. Giving me some ideas on weathering mine though I don't think it will end up looking as beaten up as yours. I too found the instructions rather skimpy, but have managed to make my way through them. I had to do a fair amount of cleaning up the parts to get them to fit properly and gap filling so the quality of the kit was not the greatest.  Nevertheless this Walthers refinery kit is a fine looking model. I have a couple of Central Valley Models girder bridge kits that I've assembled. These kits demonstrate that plastic kits can be made that fit together almost as well as brass.

I've heard from elsewhere that the Plastruct refinery kit is a challenge. Looks great, but it won't fit in my space.

Webbo
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on October 14, 2016, 07:11:14 AM
Morning Webbo,

I have had the Plastruct kit for a while now, have baulked a bit at starting it (for fear of messing it up, as it was quite a challenge to get it!, I had it shipped to a colleague in Florida, as one of the few stockists I could find online, wouldn't ship to the UK, they then hand carried it to Angola and we did a swap on a ship on the Atlantic waters off west Africa) - I held back too, as I didn't really know what space I would have to fit it into... but that day is fast approaching :)

Have managed to progress the lighting shelves a bit - almost done on one side now

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/44/4934-081016003601-441801742.jpeg)

And remembered to paint the correct side white

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/44/4934-081016003602-44181656.jpeg)

I got some quite good quality Chinese made LED strips from an Ebay supplier, I have since found that I have had to augment the double sided tape on them with some woodworking superglue, despite the warnings that came with them that I had to take care where I put them as repositioning was not an option as the adhesive is so strong it will remove half the plaster off the wall along with it! 

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/44/4934-081016003612-44182357.jpeg)

My next headache is to try and have a simple way of switching them on and without using too many of the adaptors...... Time to dust down that well thumbed copy of "Simple Wiring Solutions" by Heath Robinson.  You can also see here the track diagram for the small station at Tullibardine and the start of incorrect refinery layout.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/44/4934-081016003614-441831757.jpeg)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Webbo on October 14, 2016, 10:40:26 AM
Good evening Andrew

I don't think there would be many refinery kits that are well travelled as yours.

I'm very happy with my Chinese LED strip lighting even though I didn't have to use superglue to hold mine up. They provide an even warm light and don't use much power.

Webbo
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: cornish yorkie on October 14, 2016, 02:40:36 PM
 :hellosign: Many thanks for the updates & the  :greatpicturessign: Andrew look forward to seeing the refinery, it deserves to be built after such a long journey
regards Derek.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on October 15, 2016, 07:06:23 AM
Pushing on with the lighting shelf, primarily as it will give me some much needed storage space!  Here you can see my plan evolving for switching the shelf lights.  When I wired the van, I fitted a twin switch for the light circuit, I then decided I didn't need two switches, so in earlier photo's there has only ever been a single switch, it was the way of these things that the single switch plate "just" fitted the back box for the double switch, but the double switch plate would not fit the back box for the single switch, so I had 2 incompatible bits lying around!  However that has all gone away now that I have gone back to the using the double switch... you guessed it, the second switch being for the lighting shelf :) 

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/44/4934-081016003625-44184970.jpeg)

I had a box of about 15m LV Cable that I got ages ago in a bargain bin from B&Q for £3, so I am using that, I will need to use 4 of the 6 LED strips I bought, trimmed to size, they come with a simple push in round plug/socket arrangement but I will be chopping those off so I can wire them in series.  The plan is to try and run all 4 off one adaptor....

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/44/4934-081016003626-44185729.jpeg)

That is all the construction done (just a facing to add at a later date) - I found that the adaptor supplied could only power 2 strips.... when I added a third to the circuit, it cut out after a couple of seconds... luckily I have "Simple Wiring Solutions - Advanced Ideas" by Heath Robinson too, so I hatched a cunning plan, 2 adaptors, both live feeds going through the light switch .... it worked a treat :)  (though does not look very pretty... I may go back and change the "chocolate block" for a soldered joint with a bit of heat shrink over it)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/44/4934-081016003639-441861343.jpeg)

the BIG SWITCH ON!  :claphappy:  Also fitted some 3mm ply to the walls to carry the backscenes that have arrived from Art Printers.  Now I just have to remember to try and balance the different light temperatures in the room!  Bear with me while I do that, though I suspect I will do it in the post production suite when I am reviewing my progress photos

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/44/4934-081016003642-441871755.jpeg)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: daveg on October 15, 2016, 07:56:06 AM
Great progress so thanks for the update.

Getting the lighting colour balance right is well worth the effort.

Not being clever with such things, I've just had installed a new 6 lamp overhead light using dimmable, 5W daylight GU10 LEDS. Really nice effect when you take the lights down and excellent bright working light when needed.

Looking forward to your next post.

Dave G

Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Newportnobby on October 15, 2016, 08:42:28 AM
More anticipated than the Blackpool Illuminations!!!
Nice job, Andrew :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Webbo on October 15, 2016, 08:46:58 AM
You are really moving, Andrew.

Your shelf lighting situation is a bit of deja vu for me. Isn't the light temperature determined by the kinds of LEDs you've installed? The Chinese LED lighting strips are pretty amazing, cheap and easy to install once you get the amperages they need sorted out.

Webbo
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on October 15, 2016, 08:55:51 AM
More anticipated than the Blackpool Illuminations!!!
Nice job, Andrew :thumbsup:

Sadly there were not celebrities on hand to throw the switch, efforts were made to tempt the "Chelsea Girls" (vigorously supported by gentleman farmer, Jim Finch) back to Perthshire to do the honours, but they could not find time in their busy schedule to accommodate it.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on October 15, 2016, 08:59:56 AM
You are really moving, Andrew.

Your shelf lighting situation is a bit of deja vu for me. Isn't the light temperature determined by the kinds of LEDs you've installed? The Chinese LED lighting strips are pretty amazing, cheap and easy to install once you get the amperages they need sorted out.

Webbo

Thanks Webbo, you're absolutely correct... I elected to get the LED strip's that were more balanced towards daylight, with an eye to picture taking in the future, however the main lights are a warmer temperature... I may look to swapping them out in the future for daylight balanced ones.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Chris in Prague on October 15, 2016, 09:38:13 AM
Excellent progress, Andrew. You can, (I speak from experience), never have too much shelf space!
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: leachsprite4 on October 15, 2016, 10:03:37 AM
Great work, the lighting shelf looks really smart. I'm sat reading this while waiting to go get led strips for my layout.
Graham
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Chris in Prague on October 15, 2016, 10:41:03 AM
More anticipated than the Blackpool Illuminations!!!
Nice job, Andrew :thumbsup:

Sadly there were not celebrities on hand to throw the switch, efforts were made to tempt the "Chelsea Girls" (vigorously supported by gentleman farmer, Jim Finch) back to Perthshire to do the honours, but they could not find time in their busy schedule to accommodate it.

Alas, the "Chelsea Girls" are all very busy in London but will be on the special train to Perthshire and are very much looking forward to their return journey. However, in view of their previous experiences, they have also arranged to be accompanied by their gentlemen friends: Sylvia's 'beau', Jeremy Corentyn Cador, the dashing naval captain, will also be bringing some of his naval colleagues including a visitor from the US Navy; Giles Roskrow, the Chelsea wine importer; and Jean-Luc. Marielle, Jean-Luc's tri-lingual (Breton, French, and English) Breton cousin, who is the SW England CIWL representative, and works with fellow Breton, Eli together with Sylvia to publicise the "Western Star" / 'L'etoile de l'Ouest', Britanny - Cornwall (via the train ferry between West Porthsea and Port Regleun) service, finds Giles, very 'sympathique'. Eli and Sylvia added Marielle to their party so that she can promote the CIWL "Pullman" service to well-heeled Yorkshire folk planning a holiday in Cornwall and / or Britanny. Marielle has ordered a consignment of best Breton artisan cidre to be transported by "Castle Estates" Ferry Van directly to Cant Cove for loading into one of the BCK's guard compartments of the train. Monique (the Parisienne "Chelsea Girl") is very good friends with the charming, Jean-Luc, who is the manager of the CIWL Workshop at Ostende, Belgium. Alas, due to gauging problems, it has proved impossible to add any CIWL coaches to the special train beyond Wadebridge.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Chris in Prague on October 15, 2016, 11:53:15 AM
The "Chelsea Girls" on Cant Cove station platform waiting for the train to Perthshire. 8-)

(http://i1060.photobucket.com/albums/t449/chrisinprague/2016-10-12%2019.49.18_zpsritlmxas.jpg) (http://s1060.photobucket.com/user/chrisinprague/media/2016-10-12%2019.49.18_zpsritlmxas.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on October 16, 2016, 07:02:20 AM
After a lot of measuring, re-measuring, then a bit of measuring.... the first backscene panel was put in place, using PVA glue.... which in hindsight was a mistake!  One of the LED strips has a bad connection, seen here, it comes back on when you press it on... sometimes it stays on :)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/44/4934-081016003653-441882341.jpeg)

I have used this corner as my reference point for the height of them, there are 8 panels of approx. 1.3m length each

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/44/4934-081016003655-441891452.jpeg)

Second panel up now, the colour cast in the photo's is quite evident now, certainly not aware of it when I am in the van, but the camera is picking it up, that will need a bit more investigation

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/44/4934-081016003709-44190382.jpeg)

With the backscene in place, I can start to build up the hill, though I am not happy with the air bubbles that developed, despite a lot of effort to press the backscene on smoothly.... the bubbles still appeared, so I might order a couple of replacement panels, possibly with the self adhesive backing this time and see if that improves things.... I just know they are going to bug me as time goes on!  :veryangry:

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/44/4934-081016003709-44190576.jpeg)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Chris in Prague on October 16, 2016, 07:22:57 AM
Ah, yes, the dreaded air bubbles; one of the reasons I'm putting off adding my backscenes still. I hope you'll be able to solve this problem, Andrew. The lighting does look 'wrong', I agree. I hope you can also fix that.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Newportnobby on October 16, 2016, 09:43:19 AM
I might order a couple of replacement panels, possibly with the self adhesive backing this time and see if that improves things.... I just know they are going to bug me as time goes on!  :veryangry:



Should you decide on replacing those panels, Andrew, may I suggest you try to either round off the corners or put a diagonal in (easier to do than a curve) such that the backscene doesn't change direction at 90 degrees. Here's one corner of my small layout with a diagonal...........

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/18/main_28699.JPG)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Chris in Prague on October 16, 2016, 09:51:04 AM
Thanks for the reminder, Nobby. I aim to have two curved back corners (left and right) when I, eventually, make my backscene.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Bealman on October 16, 2016, 09:54:11 AM
I've always been impressed by those corners on your mojo return layout, Mick.  :D

Good advice!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: daveg on October 16, 2016, 10:33:29 AM
Agh! Backscene Bubbles & Joins! :censored:

I thought I could wallpaper OK so sticking the b'scene up should be simples.

I've only attempted the one and getting rid of the bubbles was bad enough but trying to make a really decent join made me cross. I may, one day, make a second attempt and do it all round with curved corners but there's still plenty else to do. That's my excuse and I am, as Mrs Slocombe would've said,  unanimous on that!

Dave G
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Mito on October 16, 2016, 08:29:37 PM
Use wallpaper paste and a soft bristle brush about 6 inches long to take out the wrinkles and bubbles. I've tried self adhesive paper and still had bubbles. Once it's stuck, it's stuck. At least with wallpaper paste it can be pulled off and redone.
I don't have any, but backgrounds make a huge difference to a layout.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Zogbert Splod on October 16, 2016, 10:13:14 PM
If the colour looks right while in the van, the chances are that the problem lies in the white balance setting in the camera. The light source has some influence on that, but again, if it looks OK while in the van, don't stress over it. Do you have some kind of graphics processing software available to you? Could you set up a filter that you can save and use on all the pics you take for submission in the future?

(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k130/Zogbert_Splod/colourcorrect_zpsugiy4ud4.png)
Roughly a diagonal split, before and after correction.

Oh, I almost forgot to say - I still want that van for my own!
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on October 17, 2016, 06:53:38 AM
Use wallpaper paste and a soft bristle brush about 6 inches long to take out the wrinkles and bubbles. I've tried self adhesive paper and still had bubbles. Once it's stuck, it's stuck. At least with wallpaper paste it can be pulled off and redone.
I don't have any, but backgrounds make a huge difference to a layout.

I was torn between wallpaper paste and PVA as it happens, and what swayed me in the end was... I had some old old wallpaper paste flakes (as in 8 years old) and I was unsure as to whether they would still have their adhesive qualities.... and I had a pot of PVA on hand.....  so I decided not to risk the wallpaper paste and it was a trek to go and get fresh stuff......
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on October 17, 2016, 06:58:46 AM
If the colour looks right while in the van, the chances are that the problem lies in the white balance setting in the camera. The light source has some influence on that, but again, if it looks OK while in the van, don't stress over it. Do you have some kind of graphics processing software available to you? Could you set up a filter that you can save and use on all the pics you take for submission in the future?

([url]http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k130/Zogbert_Splod/colourcorrect_zpsugiy4ud4.png[/url])
Roughly a diagonal split, before and after correction.

Oh, I almost forgot to say - I still want that van for my own!


heh heh .... it was on the limits of the crane when it arrived in it's original state.... hate to think what it weighs now!

Thanks for the correction work... I did adjust the colour balance in a few of the pictures while I was editing, doing exactly that, I use ACDsee as my picture editor (I keep meaning to track down a more recent copy of photoshop) - I can set up a custom mode in my Lumix, so will try that
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on October 17, 2016, 09:12:01 AM
Whilst it looks like what I imagine a tanning salon might look like inside when the tubes are on....  here you can see the cork laid for the PRPS HQ at Muthill, I got some sticky backed narrow width cork, thinking it would be good to do curves with... but it is pretty inflexible!  So it is going down here... the earlier piece I used in the fiddle yard extension stuck down fine, but this lot required a lot of extra gluing the next day when it had all gone a bit dog eared

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/44/4934-081016003724-44193871.jpeg)

Take 2 on the fixing down & started marking out where I need the cork underlay for the refinery boards.... at this stage I had not realised that I was working to the wrong layout plan!   :doh:  I also got myself one of those handy small vacuum's ... which thankfully has enough vacuum for what I want it for, but not enough for cleaning cars... as my betterr half found out when she nabbed it the day after it arrived!

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/44/4934-081016003723-4419283.jpeg)

Getting the formers in place for the hill/tunnel - I may yet come back to this corner to make the backscene directional change a little less severe... if I replace these two panels that is......

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/44/4934-081016003737-441942454.jpeg)

Looking now at the next area to try and get the baseboards sorted out, I have incorporated a lot of different levels in the track plan... now to try and take it from Anyrail & bring it into the real world ....  :hmmm:  up in the back corner is where the distillery sidings will be, the distillery buildings will be done as low relief around it

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/44/4934-081016003740-441951447.jpeg)


 
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Chris in Prague on October 17, 2016, 09:15:19 AM
Thanks for the latest update, Andrew. That BRIGHTON mini station sign is a long way from home!
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: daveg on October 17, 2016, 09:21:43 AM
Just a thought about the corner and the 90 degree backscene:

When building the removable hill/tunnel, make the top of the hill a wooded area that could help disguise/take the eye away from the sharp corner.

Not a brilliant idea but it may help a bit until you get round to rounding the bend!  ;)

Dave G
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on October 17, 2016, 11:00:29 AM
Thanks Chris & Dave - it is indeed a bit of a displaced sign!  I have a penchant for all things miniature (hence the N gauge choice), have tried to get a few more, but they have gone for better money than I was prepared to pay!

That's something to consider Dave... this will be one of the holes on the golf course... but I could bring it in from the side and have a copse as you suggest... I am leaning more and more towards replacing the backscenes as I know the bubbles will irritate me when I take pictures (almost as much as the colour cast!) and I had envisaged this spot as being one of the more popular viewpoints for the local photographic fraternity, catching the locos as they emerge from the tunnel and have to put on a bit of power to climb the hill (much to the continued aggravation of the well heeled golfers)... it has been suggested that some driver/firemen combo's enjoy winding up the golfers and try to maximise the smoke generation/noise as they emerge from the tunnel & enter the cutting .... but there is no basis in that rumour according to the PRPS.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Mito on October 17, 2016, 09:21:33 PM
You've got the same mini cleaner as I have. :D. Takes a long time to charge but is quite powerful.
I've got some wallpaper paste that is about 10 years old that is ok. If you don't use all that you make cover the container with a wet cloth and it will keep for a long time without going off.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on October 18, 2016, 07:04:13 AM
Prepared the wire frame for the hillside/corner/tunnel ... while all the while thinking about how best to incorporate a lift out panel

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/44/4934-081016003752-44196802.jpeg)

I over-estimated the amount of kingspan I needed while the van walls were being constructed, so consequently, I have several large sheets of it remaining for scenery - here is one side of the cutting roughly cut & fitted

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/44/4934-081016003753-44197473.jpeg)

Cork glued down on the refinery area and here I was weighting for the cork to dry on the Fiddle Yard area that will also occupy this board

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/44/4934-081016003811-44199527.jpeg)

The tracklaying team have started to look at what they need to do in the PRPS yard.  I have also fitted a facing board for the light shelf above the branch

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/44/4934-081016003810-441982276.jpeg)

In other areas, I am starting to plan the next step of the wiring, there are only a couple of droppers on the branch line, before & after the tunnel so I could test the line a bit on DC.  The main pre-occupation at the moment is what to use as circuit breakers for the power districts - I have divided it up into about 7 districts, but some of the CB's are pretty pricey!  I was looking at the Tam Valley CB, it seems to do the job and not as expensive as others out there - I am also considering the MERG ones, which come as a kit.... would be an interesting challenge for my soldering skills
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on October 19, 2016, 06:59:34 AM
Tried a bit of sculpting (I have since bought a hot wire cutter, though I can only imagine the type of fumes this stuff will give off!) of the other side of the cutting, where the memorial for the plaque victims will be, at the bottom of the slope, (I have ordered a suitable marker stone from Lytchett Manor).  I am still tinkering with getting a better colour balance in the photo's too.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/44/4934-081016003824-44200709.jpeg)

The Permanent Way gang also made some progress getting some points laid in the PRPS yard, though I am not sure they have laid them quite in the right place... some re-work may be required! 

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/44/4934-081016003827-442011764.jpeg)

With the trackbed laid at Tullibardine, they were also able to turn their attentions to that too, contemplating hard their first use of electrofrog points

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/44/4934-081016003840-44202740.jpeg)

Now just to test them, I don't know why they are so nervous about them....... but they do seem to be shrouded in mystique for the uninitiated & electrically confounded.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/44/4934-081016003844-44203426.jpeg)



Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Bealman on October 19, 2016, 07:19:53 AM
Looking great! You'll do fine with the live frogs. After all that you have accomplished to date, they'll be a piece of cake.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on October 19, 2016, 08:46:39 AM
Thanks George, I think it is the occasional reference to polarity switching that throws me ... as I understand it, switching the blades will do this... but it is not as reliable as using a switch to do it... I think I have all the insulating fishplates in the right place... and have probably over done it! but there are plenty of droppers planned... I might post a couple of diagrams of what I have done to get people's views on what I have done (if I run into problems!)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Bealman on October 19, 2016, 08:59:04 AM
Yes, my dinosaur old layout relies on blade contact as I used switches on the motors for other functions, and it works in a fashion, but if I was starting again, I'd do it differently.  :thumbsup:

Looking forward to updates!  :thumbsup:

George
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Newportnobby on October 19, 2016, 10:22:03 AM
The second pic in your post concerns me slightly, Andrew :uneasy:
As I see it, the line from the RHS will curve round and then hit the point into the yard just after the tunnel portal. That might lead to some running issues so, if possible, I would suggest a small length of straight is inserted between the curve and the point to allow things to straighten up. I realise this would mean shifting all the track along a bit but it may pay dividends.
Of course, you may well get away with it, but I'm thinking "perhaps before you go too far......"
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Railwaygun on October 19, 2016, 02:33:52 PM
main pre-occupation at the moment is what to use as circuit breakers for the power districts - I have divided it up into about 7 districts, but some of the CB's are pretty pricey!  I was looking at the Tam Valley CB, it seems to do the job and not as expensive as others out there - I am also considering the MERG ones, which come as a kit.... would be an interesting challenge for my soldering skills

Have a look in the DCC area &Do a search.  If all else  fails, ask the experts!
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Chris in Prague on October 19, 2016, 02:46:09 PM
Thanks for the latest updates, Andrew. I hope that you'll be able to get the colour balance right.

Investing in a hot wire cutter is definitely well worth it. It makes cutting and roughly shaping such material far easier but do so it outdoors if at all possible and wear a face mask at least.

Having a straight stretch of track before / after a point is very good advice. As always, I'd strongly advise running all types of trains at all types of speed through any track before finally fixing it down and arranging permanent scenery around it.

I got a lot of DCC advice on the forum, for example from Lil' Chris and DCC Dave. It might be worth you investing in a Hex Frog Juicer (or more) if you're worried about point polarity switching problems? I have one fitted as I was told it was essential for 3-way points (although mine worked fine without it) and it now has some other nearby points wired up to it, too. However, all points worked fine when the first trial run of an old DCC-fitted Graham Farish "Western" took place, in the summer, across every point of the layout. My landlord fitted droppers before and after every point and at the end of every siding -- probably overkill but worth it for piece of mind before ballasting took place. All my points are wired according to expert advice, too.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: port perran on October 19, 2016, 04:59:39 PM
It's probably good advice re the points but as they are laid out, each siding effectively joins into what is a straight section so I think you'd be OK as it is (but don't quote me).
I'd certainly test it out before final fixing down of the track.
I certainly like the way the trains will run through a decent height cutting as in the first picture.

Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on October 20, 2016, 07:22:07 AM
Thanks for all the comments, apologies for not replying earlier, but I didn't get any email notifications about getting replies.  I will take a look at the tunnel exit when I get back home, the points into the PRPS yard need a bit of adjustment... a straight section immediately before it might help line things up better.... I should confess though... all the track you are seeing is all fixed down, so it will need to be lifted... there may be a bit of that though going forward as I had a bit of an idea last night while I was looking at the refinery layout and got to thinking that a headshunt might be a good idea....

Thanks too for the reminder about the DCC area on the forum, I have been dipping into that too!

Here is a slightly different angle on the cutting, the two black marks on the "hillside" are approximately where there will be a footbridge for the golfers.... in this challenging part of the golf course, they have to tee off across the railway line to safely reach the fairway on the other side of the tracks..... I know that heralds in all manner of HSE risks.... but it was a fun idea when I was planning it :)  I have also started trimming the excess cork on the track bed for the day that I eventually get around to ballasting.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/44/4934-081016003853-442042439.jpeg)

Started work on the Tullibardine East section, I have dropped the baseboards in this section and it will be a mixture of cutting/embankment/bridge to get to the other side, along with a 1.3% incline.  We replaced the main doors on the house last month, and part of the old door frame was the perfect height to support the other end of the station area board

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/44/4934-081016003858-44205145.jpeg)

Just another shot of the line looking back from Tullibardine towards "The Kink".  Am keen to get the track through this station as once I get this done, I will know where the refinery junction point will be & I can start to make progress on that area

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/44/4934-081016003908-44206126.jpeg)

Here is the PRPS yard.... I need to open up the approach angle of this set of points I think... and I might replace them with electrofrogs..... I was trying to be frugal and reuse points from previous layout as much as possible (though I have only reused the ST5's & 6's in the fiddle yards)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/44/4934-081016003915-44207928.jpeg)

Tomorrow I will reveal the horrors of my soldering  :-[





Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Newportnobby on October 20, 2016, 09:42:34 AM
Sorry to have made my suggestion about the curve into the point when the track has already been laid. As this is an exit/entrance to the station or goods yard maybe things won't be going as fast as to be in danger of a derailment.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on October 20, 2016, 09:55:21 AM
Not at all Mick, I appreciate the feedback from more seasoned & experienced modellers/track layers!  I am still finding my feet with this new approach to track, having always used the Peco pre-formed foam ballast before.... which was much more receptive to my on the hoof changes and adaptions :)  It won't be too much hassle to modify it.. and as you say...better to do it before I get too far into it...
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Bealman on October 20, 2016, 11:12:00 AM
I still like the curvy bits through the cutting.

Will look great when sceniced, and add interest to the layout.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: port perran on October 20, 2016, 11:15:38 AM
I still like the curvy bits through the cutting.

Will look great when sceniced, and add interest to the layout.  :thumbsup:
Ditto
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Mito on October 20, 2016, 05:29:27 PM
It's coming along in leaps and bounds! Wait till you start testing though. :D
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on October 20, 2016, 05:38:57 PM
Ha Ha, yes very true Brian!  I am at work just now, but one of the first jobs I intend to do when I get back is to complete the wiring for the track laid so far and test the run-round loop at Tullibardine.... I had the CR Fairburn running on DC and it coped well with the track, but only 2 carriages, didn't come a cropper in the tunnel or on the point just before the tunnel... but that is just one loco out of many!  my plan will indeed be to test them all, so progress will slow down for sure :)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: cornish yorkie on October 20, 2016, 10:01:19 PM
 :hellosign: Thanks for the updates Andrew, really coming on a treat
   regards Derek.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: lil chris on October 20, 2016, 10:20:09 PM
Looking good especially the cutting, that will look impressive when finished. I suggest using more than one loco when testing, yes you have guessed I found out the hardway. I just used a little tank loco and when I tried a couple of other locos I found the clearence was a bit tight in the station. Regarding wiring live frog points and insulated joiners, they can be a pig to fit but you need two for every point on the two inner rails of the v, ie the frog rails. I always put a feed at the toe end of the point and of course if you have a piece of track joining one of the points to another that will need a feed otherwise it will be dead because of the insulated joiner.
Do not worry a bit of practice and your soldering will improve, using a good flux and some decent solder helps, avoid the leadfree stuff if you can.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on October 21, 2016, 07:12:53 AM
Thanks Derek & Chris, appreciate the comments and advice - you're right, more extensive testing will be needed - I have a class 156 in Scotrail livery (for the mainline, when I fancy showing a more modern era running alongside the PRPS at the shared mainline station at Auchterarder) and it really didn't like the tight circle of my test track, so will try that along with all the various length loco's I have once I get all the wiring in place and plug in the Zephyr. 

As for the soldering..... as promised (I do hope you haven't been holding your breath though!) - I must have had my finger over the flash on this one!  But I thought the red cast was a touch of dramatic irony for the horrors to come.  This is the second point into the fiddle yard, loco stopped dead at this point during testing.....Once I run in the power bus, I can see if this has cured it

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/44/4934-081016003930-44209403.jpeg)

Fitted the track into the bay platform and dropper attached - I have given myself a bit of a complication now though with the backscene..... not a lot of room to blend something in........  Will need to get inventive, probably just a steep slope to join with the backscene.... though looking at the photo again in pre-post preview.... there is not much room for that to work either.... think it will need to be a bit of a play around with photographs......

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/44/4934-081016003927-44208953.jpeg)

A few more in the fiddle yard - I bought some (1mm I think) rosen cored solder..but really struggled to get it to go where I wanted...could not even tin the tip of the iron... had a lot more success with some old thick stuff I had lying around.... bit perplexed by that and worried as I don't have much of the stuff that is working for me left!

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/44/4934-081016003953-442112175.jpeg)

taking the advice I read of putting droppers feeding into the points, this is the extra point I fitted in the new extended fiddle yard to negotiate the upright of the shelf, Chris was bang on though, this soldering lark does start to get a bit easier once you start - just need to keep reminding myself... clean the tip!

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/44/4934-081016003946-442101029.jpeg)



 
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Chris in Prague on October 21, 2016, 07:35:23 AM
Thanks for the update, Andrew. A tip I was given by, I think Lil' Chris, try to solder the dropper to the bottom of the rail where it will be less visible.

Regarding the backscene with not a lot of room to blend something in, an embankment with a photostrip of coniferous forest on top and a fence in front might work?

Definitely, test extensively all the possible trains before fixing all the track down and the scenic trackside features.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: lil chris on October 21, 2016, 10:33:17 AM
Chris and Andrew, I have stopped soldering to the bottom of the rail I now prefer to solder to the side of the rail. I found that if there is a problem with the joint it is easier to re_solder the joint on the side. Also if the join the becomes loose you can not see it once you have ballasted the track. With practice you can get the joint small and neat and disguise it, tin the rail and the drop wire. You then only need to hold the wire against the rail and touch with the iron. I drill a small hole next to the rail then push the tinned wire up pushing it against the rail where it is tinned. Doing it this way I added extra feeds to my 3 way point no problem. Where you have those points one after the other is hard because of the insulted joiners, you could easily melt them.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: keerout on October 21, 2016, 12:50:39 PM
if you put a crocodile clip both sides of where you solder, IRJs are less likely to be insulted..  :)
Gerard  :wave:
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Mito on October 21, 2016, 09:03:21 PM
Make sure the surfaces you're soldering are clean. Tin the two surfaces then solder them together. If needs be use some non corrosive flux. To help keep the soldering iron clean use a damp sponge or cloth and wipe the iron before using it every time you solder a joint. I hope I'm not telling you something you already know. :worried:
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on October 21, 2016, 09:39:59 PM
Thanks Brian & Gerard - I failed to heed that advice for my first attempt... after that, I was taking off the sleeper chair where I was attaching the wire, then using a small needle file to clean & rough up the surface

my problem was more about getting the thin solder to stay where I wanted it...would not go to the rail or the wire, just kept running off.... the soldering iron I have has a sharp pointed tip... should it be more of a blunt tip or spade type perhaps?  When I use the older thicker solder, it holds no bother!  could the iron be too hot for the thinner stuff?  (it is a variable temperature type).

I also had a wet sponge on hand, to mop my forehead! :sweat: as well as clean the tip (I just had to keep remembering to do it!)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Newportnobby on October 21, 2016, 09:47:26 PM

I also had a wet sponge on hand, to mop my forehead! :sweat: as well as clean the tip (I just had to keep remembering to do it!)

Just don't confuse the two and clean the tip on your forehead! :worried:
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Mito on October 21, 2016, 10:00:50 PM
It's also a good idea not to hold the iron at the pointed end. :dunce:
I use a spade end, it gives more heat to the rail quicker and the temperature is set to about 325ºC.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on October 21, 2016, 10:01:13 PM
well.... funny you should mention that......  :smackedface:    only joking... I did nearly put it into my coffee mug instead of the wire holder though....
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on October 21, 2016, 10:03:20 PM
I'll do some digging around, see if I can get a different type of tip... it did come with a spare, but it also has a sharp point tip
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: lil chris on October 21, 2016, 10:52:42 PM
my tip is a round pointy one, you need a decent iron with good voltage not one of those 25w jobs.
I drill the hole between the sleepers and poke the tinned wire up through the hole, you just touch them together, you do need a steady hand to avoid damaging the sleepers. Once you have ballasted you can only just see the joint, but that is good because at least you know it still is a joint. here is a pic of two pieces of track with feeds, look for the arrows showing the feeds. This piece of track is at a board join where the track is soldered to screws, it took a few goes to get that right.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/40/1784-060616235121.jpeg)
you can only just see the track feeds, I am pleased with these joints, a bridge covers the board joins.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on October 22, 2016, 06:54:01 AM
Thanks Chris = that is a very neat job, if I can get close to that, I will be delighted.  There is a bit of competition in the household, as my partner does a bit of stained glass and is currently claiming all the bragging rights to being the best solderer in the house!
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on October 22, 2016, 07:11:46 AM
Just to show it is not all about the trackwork at the moment, visitors to the PRPS caught a glimpse of some new wagons that are being prepared by the C&W dept and are close to being ready for service - I did these a while back, still need some touching up, the transfers are from Robbies Rolling Stock - while you get a great RTR model from him, it is very satisfying, though time consuming, to turn them out yourself.  I just need to sort out the insides a bit & tidy up the edges. 

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/44/4934-081016004003-442122063.jpeg)

After a bit of paper shuffling (1:1 anyrail printouts) - I think this is roughly where the refinery junction (or Tullibardine East as it is being described by the society officials) needs to be placed

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/44/4934-081016004007-442132329.jpeg)

With that established, the track at Tullibardine station went down, complete with IRJ's on the main line & the passing loop & and in the live frog 'V's - could have done with a second pair of hands to wriggle it all in!

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/44/4934-081016004019-442142355.jpeg)

At last, the eagerly anticipated refinery tracks can start to be laid.... looking forward to getting the tracks down, so I can start to give the refinery units I have already built a proper home

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/44/4934-081016004025-44215486.jpeg)

Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Chris in Prague on October 22, 2016, 09:50:41 AM
Thanks for the update on the PW and rolling stock, Andrew.

That is VERY neat soldering, Chris. Whilst my landlord's soldering quickly improved, it is nowhere as neat as yours, but ballast hides the wires in most cases, very well.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Newportnobby on October 22, 2016, 05:36:17 PM
Those pesky IRJs can be a right bugswine when trying to put together 2 opposing points with a passing loop. Grrrrr
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on October 23, 2016, 07:09:43 AM
I have made some inroads into the refinery now

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/44/4934-081016004036-442161297.jpeg)

and the passing loop at Tullibardine is now in place, just to be wired up, have taken the plunge and ordered some Cobalt digital point motors

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/44/4934-081016004042-442172019.jpeg)

as I mentioned earlier, I will need to freehand the track plan as I changed it once I had produced the 1:1 print out ... there is something quite satisfying about that though :)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/44/4934-081016004056-442181526.jpeg)

Well ok..... maybe I have a little bit of a guide  :angel:

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/44/4934-081016004059-442191474.jpeg)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on October 24, 2016, 07:17:49 AM
The test train seen here at Tullibardine - I had always thought I would put the station near the wall, but part of me is thinking I should put it on the straight rather than the passing loop.... will try it in both positions and see what works, there is a lot to fit in for the refinery, so don't want to lose space unnecessarily

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/44/4934-081016004112-442201505.jpeg)

After some last minute plan changes, nothing significant, for the 3 sidings, I swapped the left hand points I originally used for right hands to give me a neater edge & fills the space better.  The points for the empty tanker sidings now fixed down

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/44/4934-081016004119-44221293.jpeg)

A view of the refinery yard so far as the test train heads back to Muthill

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/44/4934-081016004131-44222170.jpeg)

Have now fitted the empty tanker sidings, testing all this with the 3 x Petroleum Sector class 37's I have will be fun :)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/44/4934-081016004141-442232305.jpeg)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Webbo on October 24, 2016, 08:08:51 AM
Andrew

I sympathise with your comment about wishing to save space for your refinery as I'm struggling with this very issue with mine. I thought I had lots of space, but once you get down to putting in oil tanks, refinery, railway tracks, buildings and parking areas and at the same time ensuring that the whole business does no look too congested, more space is needed than anticipated. This whole business of deciding what is going to be in and what is not has caused me a lot of angst in the last week. I've come down on the side of less is more so a tank truck loading facility and an extra rail siding have to go much as this grieves me. My refinery complex will not be big, but the aim is to capture the flavour of a refinery and avoid making it look too crammed.

Webbo
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Bealman on October 24, 2016, 08:20:49 AM
Wise move, methinks. This year's Hornby yearbook features an N gauge layout of a British power station with the cooling towers modelled in half relief, and they're still huge!

Better to create an atmospheric impression of the real thing than to accurately model every detail, I think.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: daveg on October 24, 2016, 01:09:42 PM
Wise move, methinks....

Better to create an atmospheric impression of the real thing than to accurately model every detail, I think.

Quite agree.

Made a similar decision with my new layout and dropped a long siding as it made the whole scene look far too overcrowded.

Look forward to the next set of photos.

Dave G
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on October 24, 2016, 01:19:33 PM
No pressure then .....   :sweat:
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on October 25, 2016, 07:11:59 AM
Thought I would post a comparison from a couple of years ago - this was taken Aug '14

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/44/4934-251016065331-448392459.jpeg)

And now..... (excuse the mess   :-[ )

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/44/4934-081016004146-44224964.jpeg)

Continued with the track in the refinery, will no doubt come to regret creating curves when it comes to building up the refinery units alongside them, but I liked them.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/44/4934-081016004201-442252493.jpeg)

There will be an internal run around loop to allow tankers to be manoeuvred around the various areas, Crude import sidings, Product export sidings and empty tanker sidings + a couple of random storage sidings.... which are curved also

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/44/4934-081016004208-442262326.jpeg)

and the points for what will be the product export sidings in place now, as well as the 3rd empty tanker siding.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/44/4934-081016004224-44227626.jpeg)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: daveg on October 25, 2016, 07:17:50 AM
Thanks for the photos. Great progress.  :thumbsup:

Looking at pic 1, you've done an amazing job of weathering the the cabin!  ;)

Dave G

Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Bealman on October 25, 2016, 07:44:20 AM
Mate, I look at your layout pics, and then remind myself that the layout is housed where it is, and it becomes more amazing.

Great work.  :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

George
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Newportnobby on October 25, 2016, 09:43:42 AM
I'm a great fan of curves (oh dear - Liz Hurley has just come to mind again :-[) and wish I had the space to have more curves on my main layout. :(
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Bealman on October 25, 2016, 10:17:33 AM
There's no room in a BR van for the curves you envisage, Mick.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on October 25, 2016, 10:32:06 AM
Thanks for the kind comments, very lucky to have found the van & the space and time to restore it

Hope you have managed to compose yourself after thoughts of Liz in THAT dress ;)

Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on October 26, 2016, 07:28:19 AM
More siding work - I have been quite motivated to complete this so I can start to position the refinery units :)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/44/4934-081016004230-442281073.jpeg)

Another random curved siding

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/44/4934-081016004244-44229318.jpeg)

An aerial shot,taken by local balloonist celebrity Austin Spindler, of the site  the refinery management have to watch him in case he comes too close!  He seems to have a problem with colour cast too.... my glass of water seems to have taken on a yellowy tinge   :angel:

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/44/4934-081016004250-44230270.jpeg)

and another from the balloon, showing progress to date - in this one, I have started to think about where the fiddle yard will sit

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/44/4934-081016004302-442312445.jpeg)

Another view of the refinery site - I did some rummaging underneath the old drivers seat you see here and the tag tells me it came out of loco 54279 - which turned out to be Class 101 DMU (of which the PRPS has a few examples) - it was and maybe still is, preserved on the Vale of Glamorgan Rly (I just hope the driver does not have to stand when he drives it!)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/44/4934-081016004308-442321302.jpeg)

At the same time, one of the PRPS volunteers was leaving Crieff and caught this shot of the balloonist while he was in the sky

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/44/4934-261016070252-448481439.jpeg)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: daveg on October 26, 2016, 09:32:11 AM
Blimey!

Water turning an odd grapey yellow and fog in the railway room!  :jawdropping:

Whatever next?

 :wave:

Dave G
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Newportnobby on October 26, 2016, 09:36:48 AM
Blimey!

Water turning an odd grapey yellow and fog in the railway room!  :jawdropping:

Whatever next?

 :wave:

Dave G

It's not difficult to turn wine (or any other drink come to think of it) into water but very difficult to do the converse. Obviously some sort of Celtic magic going on :uneasy:
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: daveg on October 26, 2016, 09:46:04 AM
Blimey!

Water turning an odd grapey yellow and fog in the railway room!  :jawdropping:

Whatever next?

 :wave:

Dave G

It's not difficult to turn wine (or any other drink come to think of it) into water but very difficult to do the converse. ....

I'm hippy to confirm wot Mick sez is perfickly troo :laugh:

Wadjer mean 'It's a bit early'?  :pint:

Dave G

Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Malc on October 26, 2016, 04:23:55 PM
I rember being at a party in the 70s and someone was presented with a glass of "wine" that colour and it was still warm.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: daveg on October 26, 2016, 04:28:52 PM
I rember being at a party in the 70s and someone was presented with a glass of "wine" that colour and it was still warm.

Horrid boy!!  :sick2:

Dave G
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on October 26, 2016, 07:24:31 PM
I rember being at a party in the 70s and someone was presented with a glass of "wine" that colour and it was still warm.

The only parties I was going to in the '70's were for under 12's.... though there were a few "watery" mishaps in the early '70's at those too.....
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: port perran on October 26, 2016, 07:26:46 PM
I rember being at a party in the 70s and someone was presented with a glass of "wine" that colour and it was still warm.

Horrid boy!!  :sick2:

Dave G
Question is.........."Was it consumed!"? :(
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Newportnobby on October 26, 2016, 08:19:25 PM
Now you're all taking the pee :doh:
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: port perran on October 26, 2016, 08:26:48 PM
Now you're all taking the pee :doh:
Toilet room humour :D
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: lil chris on October 26, 2016, 08:28:55 PM
You beat me to it Martin, i was going to say the same. Regarding the shed it looks superb, you have done a nice job restoring it, hope it is warmer than my loft which is supposed to have been insulated, not sure what with.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on October 27, 2016, 06:46:31 AM
Thanks Chris, so far it is warm, I have a ceramic heater... but it is a fan heater with not a very sensitive thermostat.... so it was either on & very hot, or not coming on at all... have replaced it for a more benign type that will hopefully circulate just enough background heat to keeo it stable... and not circulate all the dust too! 
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on October 27, 2016, 07:00:43 AM
Tested the track for wobbles with some of the small tar tankers I have (can't believe the price on ebay that these have been going for lately, still possible to get them at a reasonable price here and there thankfully)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/44/4934-081016004318-442332435.jpeg)

These one are jointly owned by Shell/Blackford Petroleum  :)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/44/4934-081016004326-442342179.jpeg)

I have quite a good rake of these now, "something 'bout them tankers I like".  (sure there is a song in there somewhere!)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/44/4934-081016004335-442351279.jpeg)

Let's park them here for a while.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/44/4934-081016004343-442361067.jpeg)

This is a kit I made up using Robbies Transfers, by the same strange mentality that has me liking the rectangular ones... I don't really like the 15' tankers..... I just have the ladders to add.... may do them in white, just to pick them out as a bit of detail.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/44/4934-081016004355-442372314.jpeg)

Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: cornish yorkie on October 27, 2016, 10:11:09 PM
 :hellosign: Thanks for the updates Andrew, you are making real good progress
     regards Derek.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on October 28, 2016, 07:00:06 AM
Finally in a position to start putting down some of the refinery units I have built already...

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/44/4934-081016004359-44238751.jpeg)

Will take a bit of planning to fit it all in and not over-crowded it

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/44/4934-081016004413-44239684.jpeg)

Even just having a few bits placed down changes the feel of it all

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/44/4934-081016004420-44240515.jpeg)

getting to the point where I need to decide where things like access roads to the station & refinery will come in from as well as how the hills around here will appear

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/44/4934-081016004430-4424179.jpeg)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Newportnobby on October 28, 2016, 12:14:14 PM
This is going to look great, but I just know I'd reach across and snap summat off :-[
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on October 29, 2016, 06:54:31 AM
Now that the refinery is back on line, maintenance must continue (or in other words (Mick) bits that are snapped off, need to be fixed back on)  :doh:

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/44/4934-081016004446-442431847.jpeg)

There is plenty to do with the new expansion projects to keep the crane driver busy - the new agreement to produce and distribute National Benzole has necessitated additional capacity

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/44/4934-081016004459-442441147.jpeg)

At the tanker terminal, the Bulwark driver was updating the garage manager on why he was so late back, he embellished the story quite significantly about being caught in a traffic jam at Bletchford and didn't need any encouragement to expand on his flirtations with the WPC who was attending the scene of the crash

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/44/4934-081016004505-44245341.jpeg)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Bealman on October 29, 2016, 06:57:17 AM
 :laughabovepost: :laughabovepost:
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Newportnobby on October 29, 2016, 02:46:16 PM

At the tanker terminal, the Bulwark driver was updating the garage manager on why he was so late back, he embellished the story quite significantly about being caught in a traffic jam at Bletchford and didn't need any encouragement to expand on his flirtations with the WPC who was attending the scene of the crash


Sadly, WPC Smythe has been placed on gardening leave after having thrown the book at a well known 'tea leaf'. As the book in question was the complete 'Encyclopaedia Britannica' thus causing the rapscallion an extended hospital visit, her sergeant had no other option.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: port perran on October 29, 2016, 06:43:57 PM
This is going to look great, but I just know I'd reach across and snap summat off :-[
Me too. Those chimneys look very easy to snap off.
Looks great though.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on October 30, 2016, 07:34:36 AM
I have started to play about with the line between Tullibardine & the Distillery, will be a stretch of cutting, embankment, bridge over river etc.  but will also have a bit of a climb on it, but I have kept them to 1.3% max

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/44/4934-081016004520-442472333.jpeg)

The drop in the baseboards is a bit deeper than it needs to be.... so will bring that up a bit, though if I can find the right kind of bridge, maybe a bit of a ravine would be interesting!

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/44/4934-081016004530-442482488.jpeg)

Also started to mark out the trackbeds around the distillery

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/44/4934-081016004531-442491855.jpeg)

Was a bit bored, so I cut them out and painted them too - next phase of progress will focus on trying to get the distillery boards in place at the right height so I can work on getting the connecting section fixed down and start to build up the scenery

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/44/4934-081016004601-442521398.jpeg)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Newportnobby on October 30, 2016, 10:08:19 AM
Andrew,
This pic might provide some ideas for your 'ravine' as there is just so much going on. It's not just a railway train crossing the ravine on a bridge, it's the pub, the footpath over the river, the canal barge in the background etc etc

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/44/264-291016141934-449681218.jpeg)

Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on October 30, 2016, 02:44:47 PM
Thanks Mick, some great ideas on display there

Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on October 30, 2016, 08:34:07 PM
I am having a senior moment.....

I am sure I have seen, on the forum, a cracking model being developed of an iconic (70's ish) bridge .... in my head I am thinking "London Bridge"... or "New Street Bridge"... but the bit I remember is he made some casts for individual panels that go on the outside... look a bit like the inside of the Tardis (well in the Tom Baker/Jon Pertwee era) ...!    but blowed if I can find the thread  :help: .... I was sure I took some screen snips of the technique he used...but can't find those either.... and now I am doubting if I saw it or saved it at all or if any of this is real !!

Anyone recognise the layout I am trying to describe?  :confused2:

Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: The Yorkshire Pud on October 30, 2016, 09:14:25 PM
What a fantastic idea !! ....  a model railway inside a railway van ...... all hail that man  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Chris in Prague on October 30, 2016, 09:24:34 PM
I am having a senior moment.....

I am sure I have seen, on the forum, a cracking model being developed of an iconic (70's ish) bridge .... in my head I am thinking "London Bridge"... or "New Street Bridge"... but the bit I remember is he made some casts for individual panels that go on the outside... look a bit like the inside of the Tardis (well in the Tom Baker/Jon Pertwee era) ...!    but blowed if I can find the thread  :help: .... I was sure I took some screen snips of the technique he used...but can't find those either.... and now I am doubting if I saw it or saved it at all or if any of this is real !!

Anyone recognise the layout I am trying to describe?  :confused2:

It was London Bridge in a recent edition of the NGS Magazine, Andrew. (I can scan it if required.)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on October 30, 2016, 09:31:05 PM
Ahhh  :doh:  brilliant thanks Chris, I have that copy out here with me, that is why I thought I had read it recently!  Will go and have a read of it now to remind myself.

I have some pics coming in the next couple of days of the Green Goddess at Tullibardine with some of the freight & passenger cars from Cant Cove :)

Hope you are well and managing to find a slither of time to work on your layout
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: lil chris on October 30, 2016, 09:36:38 PM
Very Impressive looking refinery and your wood work for the next section looks good too. I am looking forward to seeing how you piece it all together. The Layout that pic posted a pic of was very good ( Bridgford ) it was at the Hazel Grove show this weekend.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: cornish yorkie on October 30, 2016, 09:47:12 PM
 :hellosign: Thanks for latest updates Andrew, all looking good & really like the refinery
  regards Derek.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Chris in Prague on October 30, 2016, 09:58:37 PM
Ahhh  :doh:  brilliant thanks Chris, I have that copy out here with me, that is why I thought I had read it recently!  Will go and have a read of it now to remind myself.

I have some pics coming in the next couple of days of the Green Goddess at Tullibardine with some of the freight & passenger cars from Cant Cove :)

Hope you are well and managing to find a slither of time to work on your layout

My pleasure, Andrew. I think you mean the "Green Dragon" as the BR Lined Green 4-6-0 is affectionately known by the "Chelsea Girls". Look forward to those photos. Thanks, I'm still trying to catch up with work as I could get very little done for 4 days as I spent most of the time asleep! Was busy on eBay though and got some bargains. No time or energy for any railway work, alas. Today, I'm feeling much better.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on October 31, 2016, 05:38:08 AM
 :smiley-laughing:  yes, the Green Dragon -  2 senior moments in the same night!

Good to hear you are on the mend now
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on October 31, 2016, 05:56:38 AM
The section of line, known officially as "Tullibardine East" became a sorting ground as I tried to organise my loco's - these are the ones already DCC converted - there are another couple of dozen outshopped to either Wickness Models or BR Lines (not looking forward to those bills!)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/44/4934-081016004546-442501367.jpeg)

and the refinery board was pressed into similar service for some of the DCC ready ones.... I had added 2-3 more, so I need to sit down one day and have a chip fitting session!

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/44/4934-081016004549-442511258.jpeg)

Local lothario, Jim Finch was spotted out in his not-so-trusty-these-days Landrover Defender, eyeing up some timber offcuts that the team left behind after positioning the points for the fiddle yard

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/44/4934-081016004604-4425334.jpeg)

Did a trial fit of a footbridge for the golfers across the cutting - I won't be use this one, I have another unmade kit that I will make without the stairs, but I wanted to see how it fitted/looked.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/44/4934-081016004614-44254331.jpeg)

 
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Bealman on October 31, 2016, 06:02:44 AM
Looks great. Glad you're looking after the golfers!  ;D
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Newportnobby on October 31, 2016, 09:33:19 AM
Of the ones already DCC converted, the top RH pack looks suspiciously like a Poole Farish 3 car DMU :-\
I hope you have better luck than my old green 3 car 101 with brass gears which runs so noisily my mancave shakes! A list of your motive power (either chez vous or absent) would prove interesting :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on October 31, 2016, 09:41:17 AM
I have a list to hand that I can post up, it is an eclectic mix :)

Well spotted... it is one of the limited edition Strathclyde Passenger Transport editions... a particular favourite of mine - I have not as yet given it a test run in its new DCC life (though I have the video from Wickness to prove it works!)

Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Chris in Prague on October 31, 2016, 09:45:47 AM
Thanks for the latest update, Andrew. DCC-fitting is expensive but, with the recent fall in the GBP of around 15% (good only for exporters) the imported components (DCC chips) will only get more expensive so try to have (as I am) as many done as possible, as soon as possible. (I'm happy to wait for delivery though once I've paid.)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on October 31, 2016, 10:12:10 AM
I have about 19 DCC-Ready loco's to chip and have 16 chips in hand already, will order a few more as I intend to keep turning them over, either replacing my non-DCC locos with DCC-R ones (for instance, have just bought a GF Pannier in GWR livery that is DCC-R, so will sell the 3 DC ones I have) - have done the same with some other loco's recently and the plan is to get them all listed on eBay when I get home later this week.  Also have another batch to send to both BR Lines and Wickness, if only to get them in the queue!
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Chris in Prague on October 31, 2016, 10:23:57 AM
Thanks for the reply, Andrew. That's impressive. That GF pannier will be one of the new 64XXs. Very nice models. How did the locals react though to a GWR 'invader'? However, Martin and I both have the BR Lined Green ones. I have just had mine fitted with a Lenz Silver Mini hardwired and look forward to receiving it, later. With Cant Cove being so small, really smooth slow-speed running is crucial and the Silver Minis are well worth paying the extra for, in my opinion.

If any of those panniers are six-figure SKUs they are cheaper and easier to have DCC-fitted. So far, I only have had my 2 Dapol panniers DC-fitted but at least one GF (of 3 at Wickness, 1 in GWR livery) will be, too, for comparison.

November may be a good time to sell but may be not as people have other spending priorities? Autumn and Spring seem to be the times when people have spare cash. January is very good for bargains!
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on October 31, 2016, 02:35:28 PM

If any of those panniers are six-figure SKUs they are cheaper and easier to have DCC-fitted.


 :-[  I don't know what that means!  SKU? 

The 3 Panniers I currently have (will need to see how well they run) are pretty old Poole variants, but yes there is a general wariness within some members of the PRPS that yet another GWR pannier (6407) was being brought in (they were used to the presence of 7702 in recent operational days) but that was offset by the news that the 3 other loco's were being prepared for disposal to new homes.  They were also heartened by the news that another set of 4 CR coaches and a CR loco for overhaul had been sourced and would be arriving in Perthshire soon.  The group within the PRPS who manage the GWR collection are very pleased to be receiving a fine new loco to haul the rolling stock - The GWR group also have 2 Castle's undergoing overhauls, one in Guisborough getting the full treatement, the other is currently undergoing final stages of "modernisation" at a specialised facility in Dumfries & Galloway to allow it to be ran on mainline services with enthusiast specials.  In the meantime, the new Pannier will be a welcome addition following the sad departure of the Collett they had earlier in the year as well.

Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Newportnobby on October 31, 2016, 03:05:05 PM

If any of those panniers are six-figure SKUs they are cheaper and easier to have DCC-fitted.


 :-[  I don't know what that means!  SKU? 



SKU = stock keeping unit
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: keithbythe sea on October 31, 2016, 05:31:21 PM
Hi Andrew, impressive layout and progress  :thankyousign:

If you are looking for inspiration for a bridge for that gap then I can recommend the Faller kits. I have just assembled and installed one and am very pleased. A good quality kit. If you are interested I have just posted a few photos on my layout thread. (if I knew how to do it I would add a link)!! :confused1:
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on October 31, 2016, 06:23:05 PM
Thanks Keith for the kind words, I'll track down your thread to take a look - I am always on the hunt for inspiration!
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Chris in Prague on October 31, 2016, 08:00:35 PM
Yes, that's what I meant by SKU. Sorry, should have written it out in full, first time. (I'm tired after my first half day back at work doing two LONG job interviews.)

If I were you, I'd keep a 57XX, too, 7702, perhaps. The old GF (Poole) ones are possible to convert to DCC. Your new pannier is a smaller, passenger (auto-fitted so ideal for your autocoach) pannier tank.

Curved metal bridges were made up of a series of short sections joined at an angle rather then being actually curved. Little Petherick Creek bridge in North Cornwall being an excellent example:

http://www.disused-stations.org.uk/p/padstow/padstow(1960s)old97.jpg (http://www.disused-stations.org.uk/p/padstow/padstow(1960s)old97.jpg)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: daveg on October 31, 2016, 08:16:51 PM
Hi Andrew, impressive layout and progress  :thankyousign:

If you are looking for inspiration for a bridge for that gap then I can recommend the Faller kits. I have just assembled and installed one and am very pleased. A good quality kit. If you are interested I have just posted a few photos on my layout thread. (if I knew how to do it I would add a link)!! :confused1:


Faller do good things but perhaps worth taking a look here, too:

http://www.modelux-models.co.uk/bridges-home (http://www.modelux-models.co.uk/bridges-home)

Dave G
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on October 31, 2016, 09:18:45 PM
Thanks Chris, that is a really helpful picture.... Once the layout develops, you will see there are quite a few bridges required... and the biggest/longest one of them is on a curve again - but I have an idea for that one.... and I have also written what I hope is an interesting backstory to some of the bridges that will appear... more on that later

I will ponder on the Panniers :)   maybe "a ponder of panniers" could be the collective noun for them :)  will see which one's run well once I do a servicing & chipping session, some of my loco's have not run in a while, so I need to bring them all back into service with some TLC (and some clean track)

Thanks again for the tips, the GWR section of the PRPS are most grateful for your knowledge 
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on October 31, 2016, 09:29:50 PM
Thanks for the link Dave - I have had a look at their bridges and have my eye on one of them, as I have built an elaborate (well... ok, slightly inflated) back story around it :)  I have a Bowstring bridge from another vendor lined up for one of the river crossings....

I should really try and get another bit of the backstory posted up so that this all makes sense - but I think it will make more sense if I add it in as those parts of the layout take shape.... which could be a while yet.  I will be in a position to start making some more progress at the end of this week, so will see how well I get on once (if) I get some trains running!
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Chris in Prague on November 01, 2016, 07:18:09 AM
Thanks, Andrew. The GWS at Bodmin are always very happy to help their fellow GWR enthusiasts in the PRPS, as are the CLPG with Southern Railway and BR Standard locos. Talking of BR Standards, the largest recipients of the 5MT 4-6-0 were the Midland and Scottish Regions and Graham Farish DCC-ready BR Lined Black Late Crest versions are still available at attractive prices at a few places . . . One should prove an attractive and acceptable addition?
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on November 01, 2016, 07:41:45 AM
The sidings are getting well used

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/45/4934-011116061928-45028363.jpeg)

After a long haul from Cant Cove, the Green Dragon is seen here at Tullibardine

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/45/4934-011116061933-45069322.jpeg)

After careful unloading and distribution, the freight stock was prepared for the return journey

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/45/4934-011116061938-450701214.jpeg)

The Shoc van was duly added, after it was filled by the team at the distillery to send the first batch of supplies south

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/45/4934-011116061948-450711419.jpeg)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Chris in Prague on November 01, 2016, 07:50:07 AM
Thanks for these photos., Andrew. Very good to see the "Green Dragon" on a two-coach special from Penmayne and Cant Cove bringing CLPG and GWS members for a visit earlier this year and the arrival of the train of "Castle Brewery" and "Castle Estates" goods stock. (Some of Martin's are due, before Christmas.)

There is an interesting range of Continental beer wagons and vans, there, but do you have / would like a "Grolsch" one, too? (As seen at Cant Cove recently and soon to be seen in Britanny, South Cornwall, and Yorkshire, too!)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on November 01, 2016, 08:11:48 AM
Thanks Chris, I have a couple of the continental beer wagons that are not shown here, one of them is a yellow Grolsch one, the other is Heineken - there will be an easy backstory for these to be in Perthshire, Dewars being a big presence in the drinks industry, often importing continental products to augment their own in the licensed premises they supply.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Chris in Prague on November 01, 2016, 08:25:30 AM
Thanks, Andrew. The yellow "Grolsch" one sounds likely to be the one I mentioned, so that's great. Expect news from Hood-dale about "Grolsch"! (The "Castle Brewery" distributes "Kronenbourg" whilst martin's "Headland Brewery" has a very popular "Cornish Lager".)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on November 01, 2016, 09:04:13 AM
Knew I had a picture somewhere

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/7/main_35912.jpg)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Chris in Prague on November 01, 2016, 07:52:49 PM
Thanks, Andrew. That looks like the "Grolsch" German covered wagon in N gauge by Fleischmann boxed no 8325. I was never impressed by "Heineken" beer so I won't be adding one of those, I'm afraid.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on November 02, 2016, 06:17:04 AM
One feature of the sidings in the refinery will be the loading facilities for finished products - I had to break up my last layout before I had a chance to construct anything - I have a few different ideas of how I will achieve it... the first is this one, which is the Walthers Ice Factory kit (not really needed in Perthshire - had to crack ice on the chickens water yesterday morning!!) which comes with some loading bays

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/44/4934-081016004441-442421491.jpeg)

It is not anticipated that Express Dairy's will frequent these sidings very often!

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/44/4934-081016004619-44255220.jpeg)

It is sitting a bit high, will try some of my other ideas as well, just to see which one will give the best effect and before I start cutting this kit up!

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/44/4934-081016004629-442561797.jpeg)

These are some examples of what I am aiming for....

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/45/4934-021116061035-450722285.jpeg)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/45/4934-021116061035-450722139.jpeg)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/45/4934-021116061039-45086374.jpeg)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/45/4934-021116061041-450871191.jpeg)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/45/4934-021116061047-450881393.jpeg)

I have reached the end of my photos for now... start my 48 hour journey home tonight, so I can resume work on the layout at the weekend :)  Thanks for all your comments and support over the past month
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Chris in Prague on November 02, 2016, 06:45:24 AM
Thanks for these updates. I wish you a safe journey home, Andrew. There should be some things waiting for you!

All the best,
Chris
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Webbo on November 02, 2016, 07:08:36 AM
Hi Andrew

Funny you should mention loading platforms as that is what I'm up to at the moment with my refinery. Not a trivial issue finding one that is satisfactory, but I've settled on a couple of brass kits by TrainCat which will be placed end to end. The kits are designed for 50' tankers and they also have one for 40' tankers which are both far too long for 2 axle tank wagons. However, the elevated platforms may be useful for you. Tomix also makes a tank car loading platform. With my platforms I still have to deal with piping which is not supplied, but I think I know how to handle them. The kits themselves are very nice.

Webbo
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Chris in Prague on November 05, 2016, 04:05:19 PM
Taken one dark morning, the "Green Dragon" prepares to take its two-coach special train to Perthshire conveying local CLPG and GWS members and friends.

(http://i1060.photobucket.com/albums/t449/chrisinprague/2016-11-05%2011.19.33_zpse7mbh4mv.jpg) (http://s1060.photobucket.com/user/chrisinprague/media/2016-11-05%2011.19.33_zpse7mbh4mv.jpg.html)

The train includes a tail load of two vans which will be detached at Wadebridge for taking forward to their final destinations in Somerset.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on December 03, 2016, 11:50:21 AM
Some new arrivals on the PRPS, sadly some damage to some of them due to the way they were packaged  :(

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/45/4934-031216101033-458621934.jpeg)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/45/4934-031216101039-459092117.jpeg)

The NGS Thompson is cracking, will bring a bit of variety to the other LNER teak coaches I have

First job tackled after the enforced absence was to lay the two sidings at Tullibardine, have not decided what to use them for, as there is not much room for any buildings..... maybe a low relief goods shed

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/45/4934-031216101101-459112154.jpeg)

Here are some wagons in progress in the C&W department, with the popularity of beekeeping in Perthshire, the Burtt's wagon was a regular visitor & a worthy candidate for preservation

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/45/4934-031216101059-45910569.jpeg)

To more mundane matters, started to bring in the power droppers - the more the merrier, but I have  also been cautious about shorts and used a few IRJ's

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/45/4934-031216101120-459121406.jpeg)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/45/4934-031216101129-45913189.jpeg)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Newportnobby on December 03, 2016, 12:35:52 PM
Think of all that lovely soldering to come :worried:
I do what lots of folks frown on and use pre soldered fishplates with no probs at all :P
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on December 03, 2016, 12:57:58 PM
yes..... it fills my heart with joy..... I look forward to the comments on the quality of my soldering too  :-[
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on December 04, 2016, 06:04:53 AM
0-6-0 3F "Jinty" in S&DJR livery seen here on the refinery sidings

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/45/4934-031216101141-45914962.jpeg)

Once the droppers get soldered and wired.... she might actually be able to move!

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/45/4934-031216101156-45915818.jpeg)

A temporary resident at the PRPS, 0-6-0 saddle tank loco "Robert" seen here shunting 2 Blackford Petroleum tankers in an experimental new green livery with new logo (as you can see, I am still struggling a bit with the colour casts in my photo's)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/45/4934-031216101158-45916581.jpeg)

I decided to upgrade the heating in the van with a less noisy & dust circulating type than the previous one... works a treat, but needed a more significant intervention to wire it in than just a 3 pin plug

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/45/4934-031216101215-45917400.jpeg)

I started thinking about the power distribution, the scheme I came up with was to have 7 power districts, so the first task was to split the output from the Zephyr

I got a couple of terminal blocks from a caravan parts supplier

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/45/4934-031216101221-45918948.jpeg)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/45/4934-031216101243-4591955.jpeg)

Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Chris in Prague on December 04, 2016, 04:58:54 PM
Glad you're back on the NGF. What a pity those ICI tank wagons got damaged. The NGS Thompson BGs are lovely models and the teak livery looks wonderful. I can only justify BR Lined Maroon and BR Blue ones though. However, an unlined BR Maroon one could tempt me . . . although, really, two are enough for North Cornwall!

I look forward to reading more about the local history of the railway. A good 'back story' is always fun to create and might entertain others, too.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on December 04, 2016, 05:39:41 PM
Thanks Chris, I keep thinking I should try to get a better balance of posts on the forum... rather than month on month off.. but as you know, if I posted while I am at home... I would have nothing to do while at work (well apart from work)!

The tanker damage is a shame, I have not tried to remove it yet.... it is a strong bond... the seller sent them in those pre-formed pipe insulation tubes... with self adhesive bond... he taped over most of it but not all.... He did refund the postage though and I got them at a crazy cheap price along with 6 more rectangular tar tankers.  Worst case, I can get some transfers from Robbie and re-do them.

I have more of the local history developed and ready to post, was going to wait until the actual layout construction reaches those points... but that could be a while away yet. 

Good to be back though
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on December 05, 2016, 05:55:04 AM
I opted to use the Tam Valley circuit breakers for the power districts

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/45/4934-031216101244-45920842.jpeg)

Power distribution box in situ

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/45/4934-031216101302-45922433.jpeg)

Circuit Breaker for power district 1 (Muthill & Fiddle Yard 1) in place - once I start to get things working, I will build a cover over these to protect them

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/45/4934-031216101258-459211594.jpeg)

Power bus getting united with the power droppers - will start as I mean to go on and have used cable ID's for the wiring... I just need to keep the discipline to maintain a master wiring diagram

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/45/4934-031216101311-459231615.jpeg)

It's all just being loosely ran at the moment until I am confident it all works... in this picture the main bus disappearing off to the left is for power district 2 (Refinery)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/45/4934-031216101320-459242204.jpeg)

Also managed to lift the points at Muthill that I wasn't happy with

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/45/4934-031216101333-45925123.jpeg)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: cornish yorkie on December 05, 2016, 09:09:47 PM
 :hellosign: & thanks for the updates Andrew
      regards Derek.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on December 06, 2016, 06:28:52 AM
Having successfully lifted the misaligned points at Muthill (amongst some grumbling mind you), the PWG laid the passing loop at the station.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/45/4934-031216101341-45926237.jpeg)

They then moved down the line to Tullibardine, where a decision had been made to install a headshunt for the refinery.  It was proving to be a pinch point in the timetable that was preventing expanding services.  To allow for movements within the refinery, gaps in the timetable were put in to allow the branch to be used as part of shunting movements.  With the new headshunt installed it will allow for more services on the line, which the ever popular tourist attraction is calling out for. 

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/45/4934-031216101350-45927574.jpeg)

The track was duly cut and removed

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/45/4934-031216101402-459282283.jpeg)

The new point installed, with a bit of encouragement

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/45/4934-031216101407-459291430.jpeg)

In order to progress work on the gorge east of Tullibardine, I have moved along with the backscene installation - first step was to fit some 3mm ply

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/45/4934-031216101420-4593045.jpeg)

Here you can see one sheet in place, around the window... I used wallpaper paste this time, with much better results

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/45/4934-031216101436-459312485.jpeg)

I had an attempt to set up my camera to filter out the colour cast I was getting on my pictures, in the process,  I also seem to have changed the picture ration setting.... and have taken most of my pictures in a square format..... oh well, I can pretend I was using a Bronica 6x6 camera  :)

Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Chris in Prague on December 06, 2016, 08:52:09 AM
Thanks for the latest update and photos., Andrew. Using wallpaper paste is a very good tip (if I can buy some, here, I will) for backscenes. (I still have to have the curved corner backscene boards fitted to my baseboard.)

Fitting a headshunt for the refinery is an excellent idea. You'll be able to do shunting whilst watching trains go by.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on December 07, 2016, 06:14:31 AM
I started cutting out formers in cardboard to shape the contours of the gorge, including the new refinery headshunt.  You can see here the CB for power district 2 in place, though nothing wired up to it yet

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/45/4934-031216101438-45932640.jpeg)

Caledonian Rly liveried 2-6-4T Fairburn 2085 takes charge of some goods wagons received from afar

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/45/4934-031216101455-4593397.jpeg)

whilst, new arrival 27008 in BR Blue takes charge of the Thompson BG at Tuillibardine.  Sister loco's of 27008 (27001 & 27005) are housed at Bo'Ness.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/45/4934-031216101458-459341865.jpeg)

With power now available, I had some fun running some loco's between Muthill & Tullibardine... but found, as soon as I throw the point at Tullibardine passing loop (top right of the 3 points shown here), I get a short... the pic below is the offending area.... I have put the IRJ's where suggested in DCC Concepts write ups, between the 2 points, hopefully they are obvious in the picture .. though the picture shows a much greater gap than I thought I could see in reality .... the outer rails (nearest the wall) are wired to red, the other wired to black.  The passing loop to the right has isolating joints, as does the main branch line.  There are another set of droppers to the right of the picture and on the branch line, the droppers are a bit further down towards the golf course.  I can mark a picture up to make more sense of that description if anyone has any ideas on where the short is coming from.  It is all fine when the point is set into the 2 sidings.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/45/4934-031216101516-459352159.jpeg)

To finish up, more stock movements at Tullibardine, Class 04 (newly arrived from Wickness) D2264 marshalls some of the older carriage stock on the PRPS, they also have a few more of these coaches in Caledonian & Great Western liveries

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/45/4934-031216101518-459362007.jpeg)

All in all though, it was very satisfying to see loco's running on DC & DCC  :beers: I will need to clean the track in the tunnel though .. just as well some sage advice was received to create access from above  :thumbsup:

Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Webbo on December 07, 2016, 06:45:43 AM
Andrew

If you could post us a sketch of the track plan with the location of the droppers and the IRJs, this would help us make sense of the short. With electrofrog points, if you switch the points to one direction (A say), then the two rails in the other direction (B say) are shorted out. So, if you have a power feed between the IRJ on direction B and the frog of the points then the system will short out. To check this out methodically, I would start with the location of each power feed in turn (with power off) and proceed along the track through the points and determine whether there will be a short if the points are switched one way or the other. Once you get to an IRJ, you don't need to go any further along that particular trackline.

Webbo
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: port perran on December 07, 2016, 06:52:45 AM
Those Roddas waggons have passed me by I think.
Somehow I havent seen them before and Roddas factory is only a mile and a half from where I live!
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on December 07, 2016, 08:07:37 AM
Thanks Webbo, here is a (ropey) sketch of what I have put in place

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/46/4934-071216080559-46124395.jpeg)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Chris in Prague on December 07, 2016, 08:21:52 AM
Thanks for the latest update, Andrew. Sorry to read about your power problems but I'm sure that more knowledgeable members will be able to help.

I was also intrigued by the Rodda's Clotted Cream insulated vans having never seen them before but did not know that it was a real company near Martin. One would make a good addition to the "through" running stocklist.

The Class 04s are very nice models. It's a pity, though, that there are no kits (as far as I know) for an Andrew Barclay or North British diesel shunter as one of those would be more appropriate, Class 04s not being allocated to Scotland.

Are you going to add a Thompson BG in BR Blue to your stock? They are very attractive models but the Collett and Hawksworth design BGs look even better. 8-)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Webbo on December 07, 2016, 08:56:40 AM
Thanks Webbo, here is a (ropey) sketch of what I have put in place

([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/46/4934-071216080559-46124395.jpeg[/url])


Hi Andrew

I can see the problem. In fact, I think you have two problems. When you throw the upper right hand points (at the arrow) to the left as you have indicated, then that effectively shorts out the two rails on the straight through leg of these points. On that leg, you have another power feed and that is short circuited. You need another IRJ between your downwards arrow and the dropper straight across to the left of it. A similar problem will occur to the right of the bottom points where another IRJ is needed between the points and the lower right hand feed. 

I hope that this will solve your problem.

Webbo
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on December 07, 2016, 09:15:15 AM
Thanks Chris, Martin - I got them in a small job lot, not particularly cheap, but I thought they were unusual.  They were listed as Peco kits, but to me they look to be RTR, they are quite yellowed with age, maybe a special order by one of the bigger model shops?  I had a look for transfers, but can't see anything obvious.  The product I was well aware of having had many holidays in Cornwall :)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on December 07, 2016, 09:24:36 AM
Thanks Webbo, I think the phrase is .... Bu**ah!  is this what it should look like?  IRJ's on the 2 outer rails?

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/46/4934-071216092302-46127665.jpeg)

All the track is fixed down (I know, I know).... would it work if I cut a gap with a dremmel/fine saw instead of lifting and fitting IRJ's?
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on December 07, 2016, 09:39:04 AM
Have cogitated over your comments and my 2nd diagram over a coffee during a tedious conference call... I think I have shown the additional IRJ's on the wrong rails... they should be on the inner rail coming out of the frogs.... would that be correct?  (they will be harder to cut though!)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on December 07, 2016, 09:48:34 AM

The Class 04s are very nice models. It's a pity, though, that there are no kits (as far as I know) for an Andrew Barclay or North British diesel shunter as one of those would be more appropriate, Class 04s not being allocated to Scotland.


One of the PRPS early members happened to be in the right place at the right time (Neville Hill shed) when D2264 was withdrawn from service in 1969 and was able to save it from the scrapyard - it is on permanent loan to PRPS, but makes lots of guest appearances around the country on other railways, the member in question having his own haulage company and can easily move it around the country :D  Coming from an Ex LNER depot, the PRPS membership are very fond of this wee shunter

I didn't intend to get any more of the Thompson BG's... liked the teak one to create a bit of variation on the early LNER teak coaches I have (many) of.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Webbo on December 07, 2016, 10:07:15 AM
Yes, it should be the other rail that you cut through. As an example of what happens with the outer rail cut as shown in your second sketch, suppose you are an electron passing from the lower left black dropper along the lower rail from left to right. With the turnout switched as shown, you go round the turnout blade to the left and connect with a rail running to the upper rail on the bottom right hand branch which connects directly to the red dropper and hence a fizz, smoke and short circuit. So, you need to cut the rail opposite to where you have indicated green. Same thing on the upper branch.

Webbo
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on December 07, 2016, 10:54:58 AM
Thanks Webbo... I almost feel like I understand it now :)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on December 07, 2016, 04:27:00 PM
While I had all my multi-coloured pens out.. I sketched out what I have done so far on the refinery sidings...... and think I have spotted some mistakes in my understanding... hopefully you agree

Same notation as before, except empty red & black markers are droppers I have not yet fitted, but show the intended position of them - green lines are the IRJ's currently fitted... blue lines are where I think I need more based on the earlier tutorial from Webbo.......

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/46/4934-071216162229-46137950.jpeg)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: PeterA on December 07, 2016, 04:27:23 PM
Looking at the pic I think you've missed a IRJ on one of the rails for at least one of the frogs... But it is hard to see.


(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/46/4597-071216162657.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=46140)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Newportnobby on December 07, 2016, 04:33:12 PM
I can't remember whether you are going DC or DCC, Andrew, but it looks a bit like a hammer to crack a nut if you don't mind me saying.
Bear in mind if you are going for frog polarity changing then you'll need a lot more IRJ's as every frog rail on every point will need one, I believe. :hmmm:
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Mito on December 07, 2016, 05:41:10 PM
The rails from the frog always need IRJ's when using electrofrog points. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on December 07, 2016, 06:07:22 PM
Thanks for the advice guys :)

Mick, it will be DCC, hence why I was going a bit overboard with the droppers.....

I think the penny has dropped now regarding the frogs... will need to go back to the info I gleaned from DCC concepts and see what I missed!

Now I just have to figure out how to retrofit without doing too much damage
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Newportnobby on December 07, 2016, 08:04:08 PM
The rails from the frog always need IRJ's when using electrofrog points. :thumbsup:


@Mito (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=3659)
Sorry, but that's just not true in all cases. As long as the feed is to the toe of the point I have many sidings without IRJs
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Mito on December 07, 2016, 08:42:47 PM
The rails from the frog always need IRJs when using electrofrog points. :thumbsup:


@Mito ([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=3659[/url])
Sorry, but that's just not true in all cases. As long as the feed is to the toe of the point I have many sidings without IRJs


Agreed if the points lead only to sidings as in DC the rails will become the same polarity but if there is a loop or facing points IRJs are necessary. That said I was always advised to use IRJ on the frog rails. DCC is a thing apart and I know little or nothing about.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Newportnobby on December 07, 2016, 08:51:57 PM
DCC is a thing apart and I know little or nothing about.

'Tis the devil's work and a black art to me as well :uneasy:
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Webbo on December 08, 2016, 01:17:10 AM
I don't think you are there yet, Andrew.

Here is a site that explains the difference between insulfrog, electrofrog and 'live frog' and nicely shows how the polarity routes through the points depending on which direction they are turned.

http://www.pls-layouts.co.uk/html/frog_types.htm (http://www.pls-layouts.co.uk/html/frog_types.htm)

What they really mean by 'live frog' there is separate switching of the frog polarity to enable better electrical connectivity through the point (i.e. frog juicers and all that sort of thing). Electrofrog actually has a live frog and has identical polarity on the outlet rails as shown by the 'live frog' option on the website so I'll just call all electrofrog points with or without the frog switching mods. The locations of IRJs required are the same.

The fundamental notion that needs to be borne in mind is that when the points are turned left then the two outlet rails on the right branch have the same polarity i.e. they are shorted and vice versa if the points are turned to the right. If there are power feeds on both the sidings downstream of the points then these need to be protected with IRJs on BOTH rails connected to the frog.

I've added a few IRJs to your diagram where I think they are necessary. Also, I'm wondering about the two sets of IRJs that cut both tracks (circled with a question mark). Is this for some sort of block control? They shouldn't be necessary if you intend to run DCC.

Webbo's suggested mods:
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/46/4229-081216011415.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=46150)

All this stuff is not very profound once you see the light. A bit like learning to back up a utility trailer behind a car.

Webbo 

Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on December 08, 2016, 05:56:53 AM
Thanks Webbo.. I will take a look at the article... the two sets of IRJ's you were referring to were there because I thought I effectively had a passing loop, and read that this was a way of avoiding trouble with two sets of points facing each other.... Clearly not :)   the penny I thought had dropped is obviously levitating just a few feet from the floor :)

Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on December 08, 2016, 06:15:58 AM
D2264 takes the older 4 wheel carriages back to Muthill, the Thompson BG can be seen sitting in the passing loop and S&DJR 3F Jinty No 23 sits at rest in the refinery pilot road.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/45/4934-031216101537-459382417.jpeg)

I started to work on the cutting between the tunnel & Tullibardine, initially just building up the profile with polystyrene chips and some offcuts of insulation foam

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/46/4934-081216060235-461381955.jpeg)

at the other end of the cutting now as it approaches the station, will put a small culvert you can see on the right hand edge of the picture in this area

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/45/4934-031216101552-45940345.jpeg)

My first adventure in mod-rok .... (note to self, stop wiping hands on backside between placing strips of plaster)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/45/4934-031216101551-459391068.jpeg)

Quite pleased with the way it turned out, though I need to be more careful around the backscene to prevent damage

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/45/4934-031216101608-45941326.jpeg)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/45/4934-031216101610-459421346.jpeg)

The golf course area is looking a bit flat... need to introduce a few more undulations

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/45/4934-031216101626-45943941.jpeg)



Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Webbo on December 08, 2016, 06:58:15 AM
Modroc is great stuff. With my backdrop which is just blue paper, I covered it with a strip of aluminium foil 10 cm high or so to keep the plaster and moisture off. With foil there I could plaster right up to it with impunity. Any waterproof thin material would do this job I'm sure. Not a bad idea to cover your track as well as plaster blobs can get into the grain of the sleepers and are a bit of a devil to clean off completely. Here, I used blue painter's tape on the basis of some forgotten modelling website's recommendation as it is supposed to leave less gooey residue on the rails than regular masking tape.

Webbo
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: keithbythe sea on December 08, 2016, 05:38:37 PM
Looking good Andrew.

I'm a fan of modroc, (using quite a lot at the moment)!

"My first adventure in mod-rok .... (note to self, stop wiping hands on backside between placing strips of plaster)"  :laughabovepost:

I've found that my backside is a lot cleaner if a use cheap baby wipes (something I have learnt since having grandchildren) to remove the plaster from my hands.

I've also found that if you place the underlying supports "less neatly" you get a more realistic natural effect. Although this can be a bit worrying when you place the first plaster strips.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on December 08, 2016, 06:09:57 PM
thanks Keith - I learned my lesson for future mod-roc deployments after "feedback" from my better half :) - I used a damp rag between strips (only 90% foolproof though)  :doh: , but yes, could see how baby wipes would work.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on December 09, 2016, 05:51:12 AM
The PRPS is working hard to build up a demonstration train of CR freight - bauxite being the main colour - they have these 4 examples ready to have lettering applied.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/45/4934-031216101628-45944595.jpeg)

To fill the square dimples left in the modroc - I applied a layer of polyfilla to smooth things over

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/45/4934-031216101641-45945700.jpeg)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/45/4934-031216101644-45946176.jpeg)

Once that was dry, a coating of burnt umber was applied (The Range also had some artists raw umber... but being 4 times the price.... burnt umber will do!)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/45/4934-031216101658-459471870.jpeg)

It feels like a good jump forward just losing all that expanse of white :)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/45/4934-031216101701-459481389.jpeg)

Lastly, a couple of unusual visitors to the refinery sidings

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/45/4934-031216101713-459491205.jpeg)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Newportnobby on December 09, 2016, 10:04:41 AM

Once that was dry, a coating of burnt umber was applied (The Range also had some artists raw umber... but being 4 times the price.... burnt umber will do!)


Just as well they accidentally burnt it or that could have been expensive for you! ;D
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on December 09, 2016, 11:14:15 AM
 :laughabovepost:   
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: daveg on December 09, 2016, 12:19:57 PM

Once that was dry, a coating of burnt umber was applied (The Range also had some artists raw umber... but being 4 times the price.... burnt umber will do!)


Just as well they accidentally burnt it or that could have been expensive for you! ;D

It doesn't get any better, does it?  :doh:

Thanks, Mick - always good for a chuckle!  :thumbsup:

Dave G
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on December 09, 2016, 12:22:18 PM
That's why we keep encouraging him :)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on December 10, 2016, 05:53:06 AM
The big scenic piece I need to complete so I can get the branchline connected to the mainline is the gorge to the east of Tullibardine - starting here with a mock up for height - have also cut out the formers from 3mm ply

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/45/4934-031216101717-459501211.jpeg)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/45/4934-031216101729-45951855.jpeg)

I can finally start to use all the squirreled-away polystyrene foam that has been taking up a bit of room in the garage

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/45/4934-031216101734-459522160.jpeg)

I had thought to use kingspan foam to raise the level of the mainline boards, as they will run higher than the branch.... here is a piece that I prepared for the distillery board being glued down (mainly so I could determine the levels/gradient across the gorge) .... but with the benefit of stepping back and thinking about it from afar, I have already decided I don't like this approach for a number of reasons and will be re-working this in the new year

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/45/4934-031216101747-45953286.jpeg)


Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Chris in Prague on December 10, 2016, 09:58:54 AM
Thanks for the latest update, Andrew. The viaduct will look very impressive. Maybe some deer could be grazing in the valley below? Or Highland Cattle? If deer, you could have a poacher about to be apprehended by a gamekeeper? 8-)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on December 10, 2016, 10:17:06 AM
Thanks Chris, good ideas, I think I do have some deer somewhere
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Chris in Prague on December 10, 2016, 11:04:13 AM
Thanks Chris, good ideas, I think I do have some deer somewhere

I will have to sort through my boxes of 'Little People' but I think I may have a spare (German) hunter and gamekeeper you can have.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Chris in Prague on December 10, 2016, 11:07:32 AM
The Lima GWR Horsebox is a very nice model but benefits from replacing the large Lima cookie cutter wheels with smaller, thinner ones which reduce its overall height.

The GWS, at Bodmin General, has one fitted out as a mobile workshop and (limited) sleeping accommodation (sleeping bags in the groom's compartment). Maybe they have donated a 'twin' to their Perthshire friends? 8-)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on December 10, 2016, 01:00:27 PM
Ah, the story about how the GWR horsebox came to be in Perthshire is lost in the myths of time, but the most popular version involves trainer Fulke Walwyn, the story goes that he and his entourage got so drunk after their 1947 Scottish Grand National win with Rowland Boy, that they left the horse behind in error... once he realised his mistake, he used his contacts with the railways (old colleagues from his days at Sandhurst and the 9th Lancers) to get an empty box transported north from his home town of Wrexham to collect the steed... however someone in his team had sobered up quicker than he did and had already sent a lorry to collect the horse.... so when the GWR horsebox arrived.... there was nothing for it to collect... and it sat at Irvine goods yard for some time... until there was a need for it to urgently move a horse from Bogside racecourse to Perth... and it remained in Perth thereafter and got lost in the 1948 reorganisation... sitting for a long time in sidings at Perth until it was rescued and restored by another Scottish trainer who used it for many years in it's original livery
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on December 11, 2016, 05:55:37 AM
The gorge is taking shape, there will be 2 lines towards the front, running into the fiddle yard adjacent to the refinery, I had hoped to make these hidden, but didn't like the way that would look, so now I am trying to incorporate them into the scenery

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/45/4934-031216101752-459541877.jpeg)

The viaduct is still a bit low - these pics were captured by local celebrity, hot air balloonist, Austin Spindler

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/45/4934-031216101804-459551356.jpeg)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/45/4934-031216101809-45956908.jpeg)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/45/4934-031216101821-459572232.jpeg)

I realised too that the trackbed into the fiddle yard wasn't right and I had made an error when I cut it... so I did some tidying up, here the old piece is removed

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/45/4934-031216101829-459581591.jpeg)

Then a new piece cut to shape and fitted in.  You can see in the background, the local division of the AA have taken delivery of a new recovery vehicle at Tullibardine station, they have not yet removed it from it's shipping container

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/45/4934-031216101841-459592039.jpeg)

Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Chris in Prague on December 11, 2016, 09:06:03 AM
Thanks, Andrew, for the entertaining story of the GWR Horsebox, sounds like the sort of story which has been attributed to Lord Trevelver's father. In comparison, the present Lord is a very sober and conventional gentleman!

Very good to see that the AA Landrover has safely arrived after it's long journey from Cornwall, via Prague! No doubt it will be especially useful in winter.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Newportnobby on December 11, 2016, 09:45:34 AM
Splice the baseboard!
Very neat piece of work, Andrew :goggleeyes:
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: cornish yorkie on December 11, 2016, 02:34:17 PM
 :hellosign: Very efficient modelling Andrew looking good &  :greatpicturessign:
       regards Derek.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on December 12, 2016, 06:13:06 AM
I started to shape the kingspan I fitted that was to be the support for the distillery boards - messy stuff, and I have re-considered this and decided it will be a real pain to keep using it ... so this will be lifted and a new approach tried in the new year.  The curves in the lower right are the lines into fiddle yard 2

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/45/4934-031216101843-459601398.jpeg)

The points go down for Fiddle Yard 2 North  - Am using the short points from a space perspective and to use up the big pile of them I had from the earlier layout... should only ever be stock or short wheel base loco's running in and out of here....if I do store big loco's, they will occupy the straight through roads

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/45/4934-031216101908-459621545.jpeg)

To accommodate the amount of stock I have, I wanted to have some kind of cartridge system to store sets of rolling stock "off plot" as I don't have enough space in the van to create storage lanes for it all..... The system I am trying is gleaned from ideas from the forum - it will be a combination of 40mm electrical trunking and I will use Kato/Peco transition pieces as the means of connecting them to the layout.  Here I have trimmed away the cork to get the levels right and fitted one of the Kato bits to the fiddle yard road.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/45/4934-031216101906-459612250.jpeg)

I trimmed away the locking clips on the Kato side so that it was smoother to attach & detach - was also a good way of using up the big bag of peco underlay foam I had :) 

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/45/4934-031216102014-459681616.jpeg)

The next job was to find somewhere to store them - you can see in this picture the other connection point in Fiddle Yard 1

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/45/4934-031216101923-45963896.jpeg)

I put 4 racks up initially, but have room for one more I think, I had ran out of trunking by this stage though.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/45/4934-031216101923-45963838.jpeg)

Fiddle Yard 2 South points in place and glued

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/45/4934-031216101949-459661811.jpeg)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: railsquid on December 12, 2016, 06:59:53 AM
Knew I had a picture somewhere

([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/7/main_35912.jpg[/url])


One of those wagons has been sighted at Birmingham Knotmore Street, where the contents are held for quality testing before being forwareded onwards to points further north  :beers:

Thanks, Andrew. That looks like the "Grolsch" German covered wagon in N gauge by Fleischmann boxed no 8325. I was never impressed by "Heineken" beer so I won't be adding one of those, I'm afraid.


Funny, those were my thoughts exactly ;)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Newportnobby on December 12, 2016, 10:03:45 AM
Aaaaargh! Set track points :doh:
Short wheelbase locos may have to enter the fiddle yard at 100mph to avoid stalling on 'em :worried:
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on December 12, 2016, 10:08:03 AM
I will no doubt rue the day I made that decision :)   in which case the Maradonna "hand of god" will make an appearance :)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Webbo on December 12, 2016, 10:18:26 PM
Or to put it into classical terms: Deus ex machina will need to be invoked.

Webbo
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on December 13, 2016, 05:36:25 AM
Or to put it into classical terms: Deus ex machina will need to be invoked.

Webbo

The only thing classical around here is the old 1991 Jaguar XJS that one of the PRPS drivers runs about in :)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on December 13, 2016, 05:54:42 AM
Having finally arrived at a plan for the off plot cartridges, I could lay the last siding in fiddle yard 1

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/45/4934-031216101942-459651784.jpeg)

Managed to crack on with laying the sidings in fiddle yard 2

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/45/4934-031216102028-459691766.jpeg)

One of the benefits of having a steady temperature in the van, thanks to the new heater, is that the glue sets pretty quickly.  I have the feeling that these will be filled pretty quickly though.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/45/4934-031216102036-45970182.jpeg)

As a break from the track laying, made a little bit more headway on the culvert, just to the west of Tullibardine.  I plan quite a lot of water on the layout (well, it is Perthshire!) so this will be a good test bed

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/45/4934-031216102000-45967674.jpeg)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: port perran on December 13, 2016, 06:57:55 AM
Great progress.
Im looking forward to seeing the warer area develop. The culvert certainly looks good.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on December 13, 2016, 08:30:05 AM
Thanks Martin, I am (nervously) looking forward to developing the water too, so many techniques to choose from  ..... I might so a practice one first though.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on December 14, 2016, 06:29:00 AM
Some of the cartridges in their rack - I put some ply facings on them to act as lips to stop them falling off, but there is a natural curve in the cartridges, so it is not 100% effective.  I will eventually paint these custard to match the wall.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/45/4934-031216102042-45971364.jpeg)

A better view of the cartridge point in fiddle yard 1

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/45/4934-031216102057-45972592.jpeg)

And a close up of the join, took a bit of adjustment to get each cartridge to slide in easily, but seems to be pretty reliable

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/45/4934-031216102104-45973821.jpeg)

Having got the base laid for the golf course, I wanted to add some features, started off by putting down some blocks of polystyrene, the 2 main ones here will be a green (which I had precut with the hot wire cutter) and then the next tee. Less obvious to the left of the picture is the tee for the green, it is just adjacent to the trial position of the footbridge.  There will be another green in the top left, on the tunnel

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/45/4934-031216102113-459741902.jpeg)

Just a general view of how this stand at this point

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/45/4934-031216102129-459752139.jpeg)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Chris in Prague on December 14, 2016, 08:50:41 AM
Thanks for the latest update, Andrew. The cartridges looks good and the system for joining them to the layout track looks very effective.

You have some interesting Continental goods stock in the sidings , including a very long open brown wagon which should be ideal for a 'gauging' train!

I am also interested in how you get on with modelling water as I have some streams and waterfalls to model as well as the small bay and the estuary areas. In January, I am tempted to buy and try a 125ml bottle of BUSCH 7589 Aqua Modellwasser [Model Water].
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on December 14, 2016, 08:14:48 PM
Thanks Chris, I have a bottle of that to try too, as well as some of the other techniques described in the forums.

Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Chris in Prague on December 14, 2016, 10:26:55 PM
Thanks Chris, I have a bottle of that to try too, as well as some of the other techniques described in the forums.

Excellent, Andrew. 8-)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on December 15, 2016, 05:56:51 AM
A recent trip to Edinburgh meant I could indulge myself in a rare treat, actually visiting a real model shop :)  This was a childhood mecca for me, to the point that I even applied to them for a job!  I still have the rejection letter somewhere  :'(  Picked up loads of goodies and a small 2 coach rake of crimson suburbans

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/45/4934-031216102137-459761975.jpeg)

Did a bit more work on the golf course, used the hot wire cutter to shape the tee to the right of the green and then used some modelling clay to blend them in a bit

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/45/4934-031216102147-45977498.jpeg)

I have also tried to form some bunkers from the clay too - this one is on the next hole, just before it doglegs to the left

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/45/4934-031216102151-459782264.jpeg)

Put some bunkers in front of the green to protect it and to add to the challenge

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/45/4934-031216102204-45979987.jpeg)

This is the tee beside the tunnel, I am thinking there should be a distant signal just before the tunnel to
hold trains approaching Muthill before the road is set for them into the station... I can envisage this being a source of great annoyance to the golfers!  You can just make out the modification I made to the hill, I have cut out an access piece to the track.... will need to think how best to disguise it....

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/45/4934-031216102205-459802118.jpeg)

Here is the view from the tee for those golfers, as it will be un-nerving as it is to tee off across the cutting (with or without trains), the hole has been laid out as a short par 3

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/45/4934-031216102222-4598130.jpeg)



Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Chris in Prague on December 15, 2016, 06:32:27 AM
Thanks for the latest update, Andrew. The golf course is coming along very nicely. Soon it will time to 'lay the turf'! 8-)

I look forward to seeing your BR Crimson Suburban coaches, in due course. (I hope to have one together with a BR Crimson one, next month.)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: port perran on December 15, 2016, 08:10:59 AM
Looking forward to seeing that golf course develop. I always like seeing the way diffeent people go about scenic detail.
Those bunkers look like giant dinosaur footprints at the moment!
Great stuff.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on December 15, 2016, 08:26:17 AM
Thanks Martin... as I am attempting to mimic a prestigious course, I will be trying hard to get it looking well maintained!  I do agree though, the diversity of scenic surroundings on the layouts on the forum is amazing
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on December 16, 2016, 06:19:32 AM
Some rolling stock taking up residency, Rake's of CR coaches and the older Pullman's (this is the formation for the Golden Arrow train that is being attempted, albeit a couple of coaches short)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/45/4934-031216102222-459821026.jpeg)

I started taking a look at the tracks feeding Fiddle yard 2, I need to be careful how I position the points, as I need to fit 2 Cobalt motors in between the formers (as you can see, a new Brewery is in town) :)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/45/4934-031216102246-459841027.jpeg)

Finally got the Umber & Cream Pullman's out of their boxes and onto the rails - I have the following:

Car 332; 333; 334; 347; 348; 349; 355; Emerald; Amethyst; Eagle; Falcon & the ubiquitous Hadrian Bar

Below is Car 355, 332 and 333

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/45/4934-031216102240-459831867.jpeg)

Car 334 & Hadrian Bar (I am not sure where it would be in the formation)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/45/4934-031216102258-45985344.jpeg)

Car 347 and 348

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/45/4934-031216102306-459861505.jpeg)

Car 349 at the head..... just needs a loco now....

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/45/4934-031216102317-459871570.jpeg)

The train, a special excursion along the branch, carrying a variety of celebrities and gentry who have enjoyed a weekend at Gleneagles, is held on the incline by an anxious guard as the loco is switched at Tullibardine ready for its onward journey back to the mainline and beyond

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/45/4934-031216102322-459881349.jpeg)


Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Chris in Prague on December 16, 2016, 10:00:15 AM
Thanks for the photos. Alas the guests were not greeted with bright sunny weather, I see. I also have a rake of the old and the new Pullman cars for the "Cornish Belle" summer-only train to / from Waterloo. I even have an (unbuilt) 3D-printed Pullman Observation Car to go with them but building, painting and lining that is a task for the future when I have more experience.

A "Pullman" special, off-season, using either rake would, therefore, be another possibility for 'through' running, behind the 'Green Dragon'?
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on December 16, 2016, 11:49:22 AM
That sounds like a very viable proposition - I need to pull my finger out and finish off 501 squadron.... I have all the bits except the regimental shield.... I thought I had cracked it when Bob at BR lines had it listed... but he has not got any stock any more :( 

Sunshine in Perthshire is a fleeting experience :)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Chris in Prague on December 16, 2016, 04:07:05 PM
I'm not sure if I can fit in a "Pullman" special until the New Year, Andrew as I'm still very busy with work and social meetings. However, a special New Year run of the "Cornish Belle" to Perthshire sounds fun. However, there would have to be an overnight break with a stay at a luxury hotel en route! 8-)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: cornish yorkie on December 16, 2016, 10:04:04 PM
 :hellosign: Many thanks for the latest pictures & updates Andrew, all looking good
       regards Derek.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on December 17, 2016, 05:57:20 AM
Coat of paint applied to the new contours, just to see how well it would fill the voids in the polystyrene

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/45/4934-031216102331-45989961.jpeg)

The Umber & Cream part set gets stacked for the time being

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/45/4934-031216102338-459901323.jpeg)

I also seem to have built up a small collection of British Steel wagons, these along with the NCB ones I have will form part of the "Industrial Scotland Collection" at the PRPS

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/45/4934-031216102346-459912350.jpeg)

I have a couple more the Blue wagons somewhere, just need to find them!

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/45/4934-031216102353-45992300.jpeg)

After the paint dried, there was still too much porosity in the surface as well as a pretty pattern from the polystyrene spheres - so I gave it a coating of fine polyfilla to smooth it over

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/45/4934-031216102359-45993600.jpeg)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Chris in Prague on December 17, 2016, 10:55:37 AM
Thanks for the latest update, Andrew. I always use sandless tile grout (powder plus water stirred to a creamy paste) to cover all styrene blocks before a coating of thick acrylic dark green household paint.

Here we see a very long distance enthusiasts' special, chartered by the Perthshire Railway Preservation Society, formed of a pair of BR Standard coaches: CK and BCK, mounted on the new Swindon-designed B4 bogies to ensure a smooth ride, ready to depart Cant Cove for the long return journey home, via Wadebridge and the scenic North Cornwall line. An empty "Headland Brewery" van forms a tail load and will be left at Wadebridge for onward delivery to Port Perran. The 'Queen Mary' brake van, in which the hardiest of the Scottish enthusiasts are riding, will also be left at Wadebridge where several are allocated. (The guard's compartment of the BCK is full of crates of "Castle", "Headland", and "Creech" brewery ales as well as the popular "Sam's Cider" together with picnic hampers supplied by "The Station Hotel", Cant Cove).

The straight tank 45XX will be replaced at Wadebridge by a tender loco. which will work through to Perthshire. The enthusiasts are wondering what their new loco. will be?

(http://i1060.photobucket.com/albums/t449/chrisinprague/20161203_141336_zpsl2couy8n.jpg) (http://s1060.photobucket.com/user/chrisinprague/media/20161203_141336_zpsl2couy8n.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on December 17, 2016, 11:33:30 AM
Thank you for the picture of the departing special, the army of keen local transport photographers have been put on alert for it's arrival, including hot air balloonist, Austin Spindler, it is hoped he will be in the air when it arrives.  As a keen steam enthusiast, he does try to time his flights to coincide with "interesting" train movements

at the moment, I have been coating the polystyrene with mod-roc... but on a smaller area like this, it felt like polyfilla was a better option
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Chris in Prague on December 17, 2016, 11:43:51 AM
Thank you, Andrew. I look forward to that. When you have a sale of your surplus Minitrix coaches, please, consider keeping a pair (CK plus BCK) in each livery for 'through' running to North Cornwall and Somerset, too, (as Brian -- Mito -- also has some; maybe, not one of every variant that you may have spare, though?).

Not having found "Polyfilla", here, I found sandless tile grout (as used on an 00 Gauge North Cornwall model that I admire, applied on top of carved styrene blocks) an excellent substitute. I have no experience of Mod-Roc but, with experience, the tile grout can be shaped to make realistic rock features, like the estuary side cliffs at Cant Cove.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: weave on December 17, 2016, 12:12:48 PM
Hi,

Not seen this post before. I keep missing them  :doh:.

Looking good and will go back and read through it all.

Cheers weave  :beers:

Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on December 17, 2016, 02:40:31 PM
Thank you, Andrew. I look forward to that. When you have a sale of your surplus Minitrix coaches, please, consider keeping a pair (CK plus BCK) in each livery for 'through' running to North Cornwall and Somerset, too, (as Brian -- Mito -- also has some; maybe, not one of every variant that you may have spare, though?).

Not having found "Polyfilla", here, I found sandless tile grout (as used on an 00 Gauge North Cornwall model that I admire, applied on top of carved styrene blocks) an excellent substitute. I have no experience of Mod-Roc but, with experience, the tile grout can be shaped to make realistic rock features, like the estuary side cliffs at Cant Cove.

The Cant Cove cliffs are very good

I will have a look at the minitrix coaches and put up a list of what I have.... mainly blue/grey and a mixture of crimson/cream or blood & custard.... though I did get a few more BR Maroon ones in a recent job lot.   I will make sure I keep the ones we have exchanged for the through trains + any others that will aid that. 

Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on December 18, 2016, 06:12:25 AM
After a few days of organising rolling stock and a bit of loco running, I went back to the gorge to progress it, in order to fix the front two running lines down, I need to start completing the scenery from back to front as once the viaduct is in place, I won't be able to get access in behind it very easily.  To start with, I need to keep building up the layers of polystyrene so I can carve them.   

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/45/4934-031216102410-459942280.jpeg)

I fixed the remaining ply formers in place

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/45/4934-031216102417-459952099.jpeg)

Just to keep things interesting, the right hand trackbed will rise across the gorge, while the one to the left of it will remain level - the track over the viaduct also has an incline (thought relatively level over the viaduct).  While the main branch line is based on a line that did exist in reality, the front two are imaginary.  I shall post a bit more of the backstory surrounding them now that they are making an appearance

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/45/4934-031216102428-459962210.jpeg)

Here is an "aerial" shot of the building up process

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/45/4934-031216102435-459972231.jpeg)

I glued down the fiddle yard approach roards .... seem to be spending a lot of time waiting on glue to dry at the moment!  At least there are plenty of other things to be doing while I wait

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/45/4934-031216102450-459981608.jpeg)

Here is the progress so far, I need to bring in the sides of the gorge a bit at the front edge... the intention is to suggest that there is hill where the viewer would be standing, and the river is narrower at the front, then widens out slightly under the viaduct as it feeds down into the valley, represented by the back-scene... I can't decide if I will make it a small tributary or a bit more of a raging torrent!

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/45/4934-031216102452-45999174.jpeg)








Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Bealman on December 18, 2016, 06:20:42 AM
I tried a raging torrent on my layout and ended up ripping it all up 'cos it looked so bad. Still or slow moving water is much easier.

Well for me, anyway.  :(
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Webbo on December 18, 2016, 07:44:56 AM
Andrew

Your sky is blue and the background is gently rolling hills so unless you've had a storm pass recently, it seems to me that a fairly tranquil stream might be best. And like George says, raging torrents are going to be more difficult, but you may enjoy the challenge. I must say I'm a fan of features like gorges and high bridges over them - looking forward to seeing how yours develops.

Webbo
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on December 19, 2016, 06:08:53 AM
With a bit of sunshine in Perthshire for a change, the fiddle yard approach track was dry (I think someone has lost the key to the Class 04 as it has been sitting in the station for a few days now!)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/46/4934-031216102514-46000255.jpeg)

With the 4 cartridges I made so far all full, I made another couple - you can see the fiddle yards are now pretty well full (fiddle yard 1 can be seen in the background) with the influx of recent rolling stock acquisitions - a lot of these are being temporarily stored and will be moved on in due course.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/46/4934-031216102516-460012495.jpeg)

In order to better know its rolling stock catalogue, the PRPS has started a project to photograph each item for it's website, which will also have the history of each item (where known).  Aly McAteer, Marketing Director at the Tullibardine Distillery, a keen amateur photographer, has been commissioned to carry out the work, at his request, given the recent trips to Cornwall and the SW, he started with the SR coaches that the society has available to it.  The society have an started an appeal for information on the rolling stock so that the web pages can be as informative as possible.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/46/4934-031216102532-46002916.jpeg)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/46/4934-031216102534-460031906.jpeg)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/46/4934-031216102553-46005644.jpeg)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/46/4934-031216102550-46004656.jpeg)






 



Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: keithbythe sea on December 19, 2016, 04:45:11 PM
The gorge is looking spectacular Andrew. Can't wait to see some rock faces appear. (Remember the baby wipes)  ;)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on December 19, 2016, 07:21:44 PM
Thanks Keith, A lot of the gorges around Perthshire and the central belt steep banks that are heavily wooded... one of my favourites is through Glenfarg, just south of Perth - a tragic victory for the automobile, the relatively profitable line from Kinross survived Beeching, but the Scottish Office forced its closure so a small portion of the trackbed could be used for the M90 - so I think this one will be along those lines... though not too heavily wooded - sure there will be a few rock promontories too :)

Cant be many forums where you can get away with an innocent statement like "remember the baby wipes"   :D
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on December 20, 2016, 05:52:45 AM
Not much to report on progress, just a few more rolling stock items on display

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/46/4934-031216102608-460061500.jpeg)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/46/4934-191216133827-46426250.jpeg)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/46/4934-031216102629-46007943.jpeg)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/46/4934-191216133826-46414645.jpeg)

A suggested 3 car runaround set has been put together to be used on future planned SR themed operating days, the M7 being a potential loco for it

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/46/4934-191216133843-464282489.jpeg)

A bit more progress on the building up the gorge, I have cut the track bed now too so I can fix down and start building up the landscape on the station side

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/46/4934-191216133842-464272450.jpeg)


Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Chris in Prague on December 20, 2016, 08:19:34 AM
Thanks for the latest updates, Andrew. The three coaches look like generic Graham Farish ones; if they have corridor connections, they are 'mainline' ones, if not 'suburban' ones. I have a matching pair (brake end one, composite one) of both types as preserved CLPG stock and my M7 is used with them. Your preserved M7 would look good hauling yours, too. (I'm now considering adding a SR Green M7 to my BE Black Late crest one.)

One of my plans is to convert my BR SR Green pair of 'suburban' ones (brake end, composite) into an approximation of the BR conversion pull-push trains.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: port perran on December 20, 2016, 05:45:03 PM
Looking good Andrew.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on December 21, 2016, 06:29:48 AM
If I had known what fun was to be had with a hot wire cutter and polystyrene, I'd have started years ago!  put a few cardboard formers down as well as I started shaping the approaches to the gorge a bit

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/46/4934-191216133900-464291058.jpeg)

Then it was more fun with the mod-roc (no baby wipes though, but I did remember a damp rag this time)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/46/4934-191216133901-464301343.jpeg)

From the balloon of Austin Spindler, we can see the shape of the gorge now, I need to fill in the backscene hole at the back and think about how I will blend it in...  the plan is to use a simpler girder bridge type crossing on the front 2 lines, the story being that an earlier crossing had been stone built, but due to the limited funds of the original company that built it (more on that backstory to come if it is of interest), it was not a strong structure and it was washed away during the snow melt during the fierce winter of March 1947.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/46/4934-191216133916-464322408.jpeg)

Mr Spindler has treated himself to a nice zoom lens for Christmas

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/46/4934-191216133915-46431401.jpeg)

Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Webbo on December 21, 2016, 07:41:34 AM
Andrew

Your finding out about the fun to be had with a hot wire cutter and EPS, I say better late than never. I started my scenery with plywood form work intending to cover it with gauze and plaster, but quickly realised that making hills out of foam using the cutter was infinitely easier. Your gorge is going to look very nice once the snow melts.

Webbo
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: cornish yorkie on December 21, 2016, 07:45:23 AM
 :hellosign: Thanks for the latest updates Andrew, you are making excellent progress with the gorge &   :greatpicturessign:
     regards Derek.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Newportnobby on December 21, 2016, 09:44:57 AM
Methinks the gorge will end up looking, erm, gorgeous :doh:
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on December 21, 2016, 09:59:16 AM
 :laughabovepost:  ... and there it is   :D
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Webbo on December 21, 2016, 10:01:31 AM
Methinks the gorge will end up looking, erm, gorgeous :doh:

 :'(
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: keithbythe sea on December 21, 2016, 04:44:56 PM
Methinks the gorge will end up looking, erm, gorgeous :doh:

 :laughabovepost: I can't .....compete.... with this, but I do agree with NN, and all with just a damp rag.  :wave:
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Mito on December 21, 2016, 09:00:43 PM
But just think what could have been done with a baby wipe :P
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on December 22, 2016, 05:38:06 AM
But just think what could have been done with a baby wipe :P

more risk of making an *rse of it though ;)

Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on December 22, 2016, 06:14:17 AM
As quickly as I can build 'em, I fill them!

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/46/4934-191216133935-46434824.jpeg)

Fixed down the trackbed for the refinery headshunt

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/46/4934-191216133934-464331967.jpeg)

While Aly McAteer was down trackside cataloguing the SR rolling stock, Austin Spindler helped him out by photographing one of the coaches that was lying in a siding, which saved a bit of shunting

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/46/4934-191216133953-46436249.jpeg)

Today was a Yellow Timetable day on the PRPS, which means of the 4 timetabled services, the last train of the day is hauled by a heritage diesel - however there was a problem with the rostered steam loco for the 1st service of the day, so class 101 took over the 10:45 service out of Muthill and is seen here passing the golf course en route to Tullibardine, where passengers can alight to take advantage of a Christmas special 2 for 1 deal on distillery tours upon production of a valid train ticket.  A hastily added (due to popularity) and slightly grubby blue suburban has been added to cope with demand

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/46/4934-191216133950-464351612.jpeg)

Here it is on the return journey, though something must have happened as the driver has left his cab (and they really must do something about that destination board)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/46/4934-191216134008-464372449.jpeg)

Finally, the class 101 is running the last service of the day and the erroneous suburban has been removed

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/46/4934-191216134009-464382454.jpeg)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Chris in Prague on December 22, 2016, 07:24:51 AM
Good morning, Andrew, the BR SR Green BR Mark 1 coach looks like a Second Corridor (SK) compartment coach. (If it did not have compartments, it would be one of the rather rarer Second Open (SO) ones.

Whilst DMUs could have tail loads, such as parcels vans, adding passenger coaches was quite unusual and only a specially wired coach could be added within a DMU but this was done on the WR with a couple of coaches so the PRPS could have their BR Blue Suburban coach specially wired up but it would have no corridor connections to the DMU coaches on either side.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on December 23, 2016, 05:53:39 AM
Some freight movements underway, a rake of non-descript BR bauxite goods van being moved down the line by LNER B1 1040 "Roedeer"

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/46/4934-191216134024-464391244.jpeg)

Busy with Christmas bookings (for the hardy), Austin Spindler was in the air and caught a more unusual angle of the train

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/46/4934-191216134026-464401504.jpeg)

a more down to earth shot of the train as it passes over the small culvert

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/46/4934-191216134038-46441306.jpeg)

a view as taken from "the kink" - in the foreground will be the memorial for the burial pit for plague victims that was discovered while building the line, the avoidance of which created the track feature known by the drivers as the "kink"

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/46/4934-191216134042-464421552.jpeg)

"Roedeer" takes charge of a Thompson BG at Tullibardine

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/46/4934-191216134054-46443881.jpeg)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Chris in Prague on December 23, 2016, 06:47:26 AM
Thank you for another set of interesting photos., Andrew. That is an impressive rake of BR Bauxite vans including, as well as ER ones, a few WR ones which most have come up from the Southwest with special deliveries of food and drink for the Christmas season. When Cant Cove's official photographer gets the time to develop and print his latest pictures, I'm sure we'll see some of these vans leaving North and West Cornwall as well as Somerset, too.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on December 23, 2016, 10:51:46 AM
Thanks Chris, still impressed by your knowledge of the subtle regional differences!  There may be a few more in boxes, but some inter-regional movements is most certainly on the horizon 
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: port perran on December 23, 2016, 11:32:05 AM
Some of those vans no doubt originated as far West as Penzance. The photographer as Port Perran is checking his records to see if he has any pictures of vans passing en-route to Scotland.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Chris in Prague on December 23, 2016, 11:42:23 AM
The single, sliding door vans are an ex-LNER design. The later, Graham Farish by Bachmann ones have added detail and are, often, marked as 'FRUIT' vans, so, probably, from East Anglia? The Peco vans in BR Bauxite come with a variety of WR running numbers (I think I have them all). The NGS makes a nice selection of van and wagon kits, including ex-LMS and ex-SR designs which also travelled widely. I have bought some already completed (mainly vans) and they look very good individually and to add variety to rakes. Next month I will take some photos. The ex-SR design ones are particularly appropriate for North Cornwall, of course. (Graham Farish by Bachmann also, now, produce these RTR.)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on December 23, 2016, 12:43:55 PM
One of these, the 3rd one back from the loco tender is a very close resemblance to the van the layout is housed in (the model has the black metalwork on the doors picked out) - the key similarity is that the metal ends are made of 3 panels rather than the more usual 2 panels, still within diagram 1/208 though... think it just depended on what they had available at the time they were putting them together.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Chris in Prague on December 23, 2016, 02:04:31 PM
Yes, that particular van (the 3rd one back from the loco tender) does look very similar to the van your layout is housed in, Andrew, being, I think, a Graham Farish by Bachmann BR Standard Single Vent van (I have quite a few of those, including several bought unboxed in job lots that may be duplicates to boxed ones I have and this one in your rake) so I can create a similar rake. The BR Standard Single Vans were produced in great numbers with, as you note, quite a few variations depending on the materials available at the time for the wagon works constructing them.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: port perran on December 23, 2016, 03:43:23 PM
Some of those vans no doubt originated as far West as Penzance. The photographer as Port Perran is checking his records to see if he has any pictures of vans passing en-route to Scotland.

A photograph of the first batch of wagons heading past Port Perran (on the avoiding line from Truro) with a green prarie tank at the business end. The wagons originate from Marazion Yard and contain seasonal produce headed for Scotland. Further vans will be added at Trepol Bay, Wadebridge and Penmayne. Various local companies are in negotiation for their own Private Owner wagons to be allowed to travel to the far North. As currently no agreement has been reached, the goods travel in standard BR box vans :
(http://i653.photobucket.com/albums/uu257/martinscane/d35_zpsdurdpqrz.jpg) (http://s653.photobucket.com/user/martinscane/media/d35_zpsdurdpqrz.jpg.html)
The Headland Brewery (currently in full production for the Festive Season) is in the background whilst Port Perran Sawmills and Timber Merchant lie immediately behind the locomotive.It must be waste collection day (rubbish day) as the local bin lorry is passing by.
(Apologies, when I set up the photo, I forgot about the 22xx on a passenger train following the freight far too closely   :doh:
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Chris in Prague on December 23, 2016, 04:06:12 PM
Thank you for the photo., Martin. The problem is finding back loads; therefore, BR vans are used as BR can use the vans for many more loads to many more destinations. However, "Castle", "Creech", and "Headland" brewery, as well as "Sam's" cider, liveried vans are used on occasion to transport their and their trading partners' products to Perthshire with the van returning with supplies of the local whisky for distribution in the Southwest. However, SWB goods stock is being replaced by LWB vehicles which do not derail at speed on CWR track in express goods trains. The use of LWB open wagons for transporting Scottish logs southwards for processing at Port Perran after transporting barrels and casks under tarpaulins northwards is also being investigated.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on December 24, 2016, 06:15:00 AM
With the key finally found for the class 04, the rake of 4 wheel coaches could be moved on (the set of 2 points adjacent to the branch line are the ones intended for the fiddle yard approach)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/46/4934-191216134111-46445823.jpeg)

A more modern visitor to the PRPS is seen here, an experiment to test the viability of a new service on the preserved lines under a joint operating/running power arrangement.  Fortunately, the longer carriages were found to cope with the tighter curves without a problem.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/46/4934-191216134118-46446812.jpeg)

Here the class 156 is seen at Muthill, with the class 108 in the bay platform and the Fairburn 2-6-4 tank loco sits in the passing loop

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/46/4934-191216134134-46447469.jpeg)

Also seen here is a couple of insulated vans from Cornwall, unloaded and ready to return south with some seasonal dairy products from Perthshire

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/46/4934-191216134140-464484.jpeg)

Having recently been removed from its shipping container at Tullibardine, the new AA Landrover was called into early action to rescue local farmer Jim Finch from a spot of bother, the latter having got bogged down in some soft ground on the golf course, enquiries are already underway by the local constabulary about his reasons for being there, the landowner being none too pleased about it 

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/46/4934-191216134151-464492421.jpeg)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: railsquid on December 24, 2016, 07:08:23 AM
Good morning, Andrew, the BR SR Green BR Mark 1 coach looks like a Second Corridor (SK) compartment coach. (If it did not have compartments, it would be one of the rather rarer Second Open (SO) ones.

Whilst DMUs could have tail loads, such as parcels vans, adding passenger coaches was quite unusual and only a specially wired coach could be added within a DMU but this was done on the WR with a couple of coaches so the PRPS could have their BR Blue Suburban coach specially wired up but it would have no corridor connections to the DMU coaches on either side.


Oddly enough I was reading about that recently: http://www.railcar.co.uk/topic/hawksworth-coaches/ (http://www.railcar.co.uk/topic/hawksworth-coaches/)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on December 25, 2016, 05:58:00 AM
***** Merry Christmas everyone from Perthshire hope you all have a great day & have lots of N Gauge goodies under the tree *****

BoB 34089 "602 Squadron" hauls an SR themed Christmas special into Tullibardine

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/46/4934-191216134155-46450942.jpeg)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/46/4934-191216134204-464511316.jpeg)

The buffet is well stocked with Christmas ales from both the local breweries and from the Castle, Headland & Creech Breweries and also Sam's Cider which recently arrived on the enthusiasts special from Cant Cove

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/46/4934-191216134209-464522351.jpeg)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/46/4934-191216134219-464531788.jpeg)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/46/4934-191216134225-464542375.jpeg)

Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on December 25, 2016, 07:21:23 AM
...... and Santa has been.... lovely Landship, seen here battling through the North Pole snows to reach Perthshire (where more snow awaits!)  :)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/46/4934-251216071602-46563385.jpeg)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Chris in Prague on December 25, 2016, 12:45:22 PM
Thanks for the latest updates, Andrew. Always good to see a SR Green train. Wishing you a Very Merry Christmas and a Very Happy New Year and your visitors and NGF members. Looking forward to more excellent photos. in 2017! More supplies of beer and cider will be sent ready for the big New Year celebrations.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on December 26, 2016, 06:03:20 AM
Even though they filled up very quickly, the cartridges gave me a chance to organise the rolling stock a bit - these are the remainder of the early SR stock I have and part of the CR stock.  All going well, I should have a couple more DCC CR loco's next year.  I will need to continue to thin down the rolling stock I have this year.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/46/4934-191216134243-464562371.jpeg)

Pannier number 6407 runs the autocoach through the "kink". I post this in the fear that more knowledgeable forumers will tell me that the 64XX panniers were not equipped to run with autocoaches!

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/46/4934-191216134333-46461403.jpeg)

The view that the golfers have from the tee (well the tall ones), Tullibardine up ahead is looking a bit busy!

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/46/4934-191216134258-46457524.jpeg)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Chris in Prague on December 26, 2016, 11:15:47 AM
Merry Christmas, Andrew! Never fear, the 64XXs WERE built auto-fitted to working with autocoach trains which were too long / heavy for the 14XXs so the pairing is fine although a GWR livery autocoach would be the ideal pairing. 8-)

If you decide to sell any of the Graham Farish Southern Green generic mainline (corridor-fitted) or suburban stock, please, let me know as I may know of new homes. Similarly, any Minitrix coaches even if in bad cosmetic condition (as I have a cunning plan for those!).
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on December 26, 2016, 11:43:43 AM
Thanks Chris, hope you are having a good time in eastern Europe :)

I will do a proper stock take and let you know what I have
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Chris in Prague on December 26, 2016, 01:04:46 PM
Thank you, Andrew. There's plenty of fresh snow in furthest eastern Slovakia but plenty of very good food and drink (English from M&S in Prague) plus local Slovak and Ruthenian. There are three generations of the same family, here, today, so plenty of Christmas joy from the two little girls! 8-)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on December 27, 2016, 06:29:51 AM
3F Jinty 47394 picks up a rake of crimson suburbans from the fiddle yard

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/46/4934-191216134303-464581850.jpeg)

Seen again here later in the day at Tullibardine, this will require a leap of imagination, as the loco has been turned and would have only been able to do that if the line was still open beyond Muthill to Crieff, where they could use the turntable at Crieff that lay outside the smaller of the 3 loco sheds that were there (1 for each of the railway companies that operated there pre 1923)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/46/4934-191216134313-46459470.jpeg)

An elevated shot of the crimson suburban rake approaching Tullibardine, also seen here is the SR Christmas special with "602 Squadron" parked up while it awaits another coach to be added before it heads off on an excursion south.  3F Jinty in SDJR livery sits with 27008 in the refinery sidings while "Roedeer" sits with a Thompson BG

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/46/4934-191216134323-46460372.jpeg)

Upon the sage advice of others, I have cut an access slot on the hill on the corner.... the challenge will be to have something removable that does not look too obvious!

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/46/4934-191216134344-464622479.jpeg)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Chris in Prague on December 27, 2016, 08:40:10 AM
After a very busy summer and autumn overhauling and painting wagons and vans, the Cant Cove members of the CLPG travelled up to Perthshire in the train of BR SR green BR standard coaches to spend a post-Christmas week relaxing with their friends of the PRPS and are looking forward to enjoying a proper Scottish New Year before returning South and West. The members were particularly surprised and pleased that one of Bulleid's Large Pacifics (as rebuilt by BR) was turned out to head their train (such powerful locos. being too heavy to travel West of Exeter). Although the brake van of their train had been filled with Cornish food and Cornish and Somerset drink, they have had to telegraph for more supplies of beer and cider for themselves and their hosts.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on December 28, 2016, 06:10:16 AM
Nice set of crimson suburbans backs out of Tullibardine to allow the priority movement of the excursion

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/46/4934-191216134350-464631881.jpeg)

A view from the eye in the sky that is the balloon of Austin Spindler of the general PRPS world.  A bit of a traffic jam has formed on the branch, much to the annoyance of the golfers!

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/46/4934-191216134407-464641528.jpeg)

602 Squadron gets ready to move so that the additional coach can be added - this excursion, exclusively for the CLPG members who are celebrating NY in Perthshire will run to Edinburgh Waverly, where the travellers will take in the Christmas lights and market along with other seasonal delights

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/46/4934-191216134428-46467951.jpeg)

With the coach now added (along with a case of Tullibardine Distillery finest and the very recently received beers & ciders), the train can now finally depart.  The 3F patiently waits on the hill for the station to clear.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/46/4934-191216134446-464681297.jpeg)

Tidied up the gorge ready for painting

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/46/4934-191216134408-46465909.jpeg)

1st coat of paint applied, will need to include finishing off the backscene in the gorge before I fix down the viaduct in the early list of things to do when I get home on Friday (though it will be straight into family matters and NY, so not expecting to get much time on the layout for a few days!)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/46/4934-191216134425-46466485.jpeg)


Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Chris in Prague on December 28, 2016, 11:08:27 AM
The CLPG (Cant Cove) members are very much enjoying themselves after a very busy year knowing that, on their return, they have a large batch of wagons and vans to complete to send on to their colleagues at Port Perran and the wagon works at Trepol Bay for completion before they are despatched 'up country'. Alas, the "Chelsea Girls" could not join them as they have a busy program over Christmas and New Year in North and West Cornwall. However, the FK of the BR SR Green train is full of the senior members of the CLPG and local Cornish worthies from business, commerce, and local government escaping (whisper it not, often their relations and even spouses) for a week. The bar bill in the RMB is a wonder to behold! The Chief Steward and his team have been delighted with the takings and the tips! (Although they miss the "Chelsea Girls" assistance they have recruited some local lasses to help out with waitress service, particularly to the First Corridor coach where the Chief Steward has had to have a few well-chosen 'words in the ear' of some of the most 'tired and emotional' occupants!) However, frequent requests for local and distant supplies to replenish the Restaurant Buffet Car's stocks have been keeping the PRPS telegraph office and local goods yard busy, too.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: port perran on December 28, 2016, 11:42:51 AM
A local farmer's co-operative in West Cornwall has struck a deal with distillers in Perthshire.
Early Spring brocolli and potatoes plus early season samphire grass from Hayle estuary will be despatched to Perthshire in specially cleaned cattle wagons which have been especially maintained and serviced at Trepol Bay Wagon Works (to prevent them suffering from hot boxes on the very lin joorney).
The wagons will return with local preserves (from Blairgowrie area) and single malt whisky from Perthshire distilleries.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Chris in Prague on December 28, 2016, 12:01:49 PM
The Wadebridge Yardmaster has, marked on his calendar, the task of selecting cattle wagons for special cleaning (including a trip to the carriage washing plant at Penmayne) and servicing by the C&W team before sending them on to Trepol Bay for selection and special attention to their axleboxes. At least one will also be loaded with "Castle Ales" following the practice of the GWR which marked some Cattle Van specifically as Ale Vans. Pictures are awaited in the New Year. The local constabulary, working with local magistrates, has lined up some miscreants for cleaning out the vans' interiors (for payment) as an alternative to being fined for being drunk and disorderly, etc.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: cornish yorkie on December 29, 2016, 01:32:54 AM
 :hellosign: Many thanks Andrew for the latest  :greatpicturessign: & updates, real nice progress on the gorge. Best wishes for the new year :beers:
       regards Derek.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on December 29, 2016, 09:30:00 AM
Thanks Derek, hoping to make some big progress on the scenic this coming month :)  Hope you have a very Happy New Year too & a prosperous 2017 - thanks for all your kind comments this year
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on January 01, 2017, 10:13:45 AM
Happy new year everyone from Perthshire, wishing you many happy modelling moments
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Chris in Prague on January 01, 2017, 10:55:15 AM
Many thanks, Andrew. I wish you the same. This month I hope to catch up with the backlog of photos. plus completing a lot of railway models which just need the final detailing.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: maridunian on January 01, 2017, 11:08:06 AM
Happy new year everyone from Perthshire, wishing you many happy modelling moments
Thanks Andrew, and to you too. Went for a spin over Sheriffmuir to Blackford the other day and saw your backdrop again for real!

Mike
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on January 03, 2017, 07:57:18 AM
Thanks Mike, I prefer it like it is just now, without snow!
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Steamie+ on January 03, 2017, 08:27:09 AM
My first serious attempts at weathering in a long while

([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/11/thumb_32495.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=32495[/url])

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The inspectors are going to be busy on this installation

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I am really new at model railways and i came across your thread about the wagon and looked at the photos in your gallery....WOW what an amazing skilled person you are, i really love the small details of the refinery, the man going down the manhole is brilliant.

I have a lot to learn about our hobby and i am glad to have joined such a very talented and knowledgeable forum.   :thankyousign:
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on January 27, 2017, 05:59:42 AM
Thank you very much & apologies for the late response, I have been pulled away from the forum the past few weeks.

Welcome to the forum and hope you are getting a lot of inspiration, I know I have and continue to do so as there are a lot of fantastic modellers on here

Cheers,
Andrew
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Chris in Prague on January 27, 2017, 09:02:57 AM
Welcome back, Andrew. A busy program of express goods trains and passenger excursions is planned for the year! 8-)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on January 27, 2017, 09:15:24 AM
Thanks Chris, good to be back, hope people like my new updates & I look forward to all the traffic movements :)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Steamie+ on January 28, 2017, 05:05:59 AM
Thank you very much & apologies for the late response, I have been pulled away from the forum the past few weeks.

Welcome to the forum and hope you are getting a lot of inspiration, I know I have and continue to do so as there are a lot of fantastic modellers on here

Cheers,
Andrew

I have had a load of inspiration from the members and seeing your attention for detail has been inspirational too, thanks for such a great 👍 layout Andrew and sharing your photos with us.       :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on January 28, 2017, 06:18:37 AM
After a busy New Year (I didn't get home from work until midday on the 30th December) and after some annoying delays in Paris then it was straight into parties & celebrations!  It was a difficult time at work as well, so took me quite a while to build up some momentum on the layout progress.

To continue with the track expansion, I knew I had to "plant" the viaduct across the gorge - however once planted, would be difficult to work on the scenery behind it... so I had to do a bit of planning (for once!).  First step was to get the viaduct ready - here it is in its raw form

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/47/4934-270117060720-479181925.jpeg)

As I was deviating from the kit instructions, I had to cover over the inside walls - I used some Peco walling sheets

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/47/4934-270117060719-479091585.jpeg)

The underside was a bit uninspiring too

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/47/4934-270117060737-479201407.jpeg)

I wanted to represent a brick arch, as this has been a strong bridge that has withstood many bad floods and winter snow melts, unlike the other bridges crossing this gorge (more on that later).  I had some Metcalf stone walling paper, so tried that on the underside of the arches

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/47/4934-270117060735-479192.jpeg)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Bealman on January 28, 2017, 06:53:04 AM
You certainly went to more trouble than I did with the underside of the arches.

My viaducts are just black card on the underside..... theory being the eye won't really be aware of the undersides, and I'll line them with stonework later......

Of course, 20 years later, still black card, aren't they.  :-[
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: port perran on January 28, 2017, 07:14:13 AM
What a lovely arch. Great work.
Like Bealman, my viaduct has only card inserts on the underside. Yours is a great job.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: keithbythe sea on January 28, 2017, 07:16:00 AM
Welcome back Andrew. Very nice looking viaduct.  :thankyousign:
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Steamie+ on January 28, 2017, 07:34:31 AM
After a busy New Year (I didn't get home from work until midday on the 30th December) and after some annoying delays in Paris then it was straight into parties & celebrations!  It was a difficult time at work as well, so took me quite a while to build up some momentum on the layout progress.

To continue with the track expansion, I knew I had to "plant" the viaduct across the gorge - however once planted, would be difficult to work on the scenery behind it... so I had to do a bit of planning (for once!).  First step was to get the viaduct ready - here it is in its raw form

([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/47/4934-270117060720-479181925.jpeg[/url])

As I was deviating from the kit instructions, I had to cover over the inside walls - I used some Peco walling sheets

([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/47/4934-270117060719-479091585.jpeg[/url])

The underside was a bit uninspiring too

([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/47/4934-270117060737-479201407.jpeg[/url])

I wanted to represent a brick arch, as this has been a strong bridge that has withstood many bad floods and winter snow melts, unlike the other bridges crossing this gorge (more on that later).  I had some Metcalf stone walling paper, so tried that on the underside of the arches

([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/47/4934-270117060735-479192.jpeg[/url])


Again great work Andrew.. i never even thought about underneath my Viaduct.... :doh:
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Chris in Prague on January 28, 2017, 07:38:26 AM
Very nice work, Andrew. One of the reasons why I am so slow building things is that I spend time adding detail that won't be seen when the model is in place! However, you will know that the underneath of the arches looks good. 8-)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on January 28, 2017, 07:45:14 AM
Thanks for all the positive comments, much appreciated  :thankyousign:
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on January 29, 2017, 07:34:49 AM
Little bit more work on the viaduct - trimmed of the excess paper (I had a bit of a tidy up in the railway van and now I can't find my scalpel handle!  ... or maybe I just think I had a tidy up & it is just lost in the clutter!)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/47/4934-270117060749-47921973.jpeg)

I applied a bit of weathering, in this case it was the liquid modelscene track dirt - applied directly then wiped off, I also picked out some stones in different shades and added some coping stones along the top to hide the join - I had to improvise with that, as the bits that came with the kit were not stone & there were not enough of the bits that were stone that I could use, so a bit more of the Peco wall sheets used. It looks a bit shiny here, but will be weathered a bit more and muted down.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/47/4934-270117060758-47922588.jpeg)

Here is how it looks in situ.  Have also been playing around with how I will close out the gap below the backscene - I had an old Peco one which had a bit of a river scene, so intend to try and blend that in......

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/47/4934-270117060805-479232412.jpeg)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Bealman on January 29, 2017, 07:56:39 AM
That is looking seriously good.  :thumbsup:

Back when I began my layout I used Peco backscenes, and foolishly mounted them too high so I got "maximum" use from them.

Of course we have photographic backscenes these days, but from what I see here and in the press, I sometimes think they are overpowering.

Where I live here in Australia, I'm on a narrow coastal strip backed by an escarpment. On recent trips to the UK, my overall impression is one of sweeping long distance vistas where basically the backdrop is sky.

At some places on my layout, the baseboard is only 9" wide, and when I removed the Peco backscene and replaced it with a low horizon and hand painted sky, it made a huge difference and gave a feeling of spaciousness.

I must admit I like the photographic backscenes, but I think they have to be given some thought as to their use.  :thumbsup: :beers:
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on January 29, 2017, 11:06:19 AM
Good points George, the way I was approaching this was to try and reflect what the railways in Perthshire look like, very much being in the landscape.... whether I will be successful in that remains to be seen :)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Webbo on January 29, 2017, 09:42:29 PM
I can't offer any advice on back scenes as I've yet to confront mine. But, I'm watching what others are doing with theirs. Real land scapes are really pretty low angle and as George suggests are not normally high above the horizontal except where he lives. One approach would be just to try out back scenes of different heights to see what is optimal.

Webbo
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on January 30, 2017, 06:09:21 AM
The Carriage and Wagon Dept finally received the paint to complete some tankers that have been waiting in the wings for a while (i.e. I got some good advice from Robbie on the paint shade required!)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/47/4934-270117060819-479241011.jpeg)

There has been a growing number of references to the local hot air balloonist Austin Spindler in my thread, so I thought I would bring into life the mode of transport in question

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/47/4934-270117060820-479252478.jpeg)

I purchased a range of items from Lytchett Manor, one of which was a Vitriol Tanker, so I started having a go at putting it together

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/47/4934-270117060841-479271858.jpeg)

Seen here in the painting bay

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/47/4934-270117060834-47926919.jpeg)

The tanker rake of 3 "ACME" Kerosene tankers and a Brotherton Ammonia tanker sit in the refinery head shunt - the Kero ones are not too bad, affected by my earlier attempts to match the paint, but I am pretty pleased with the Brotherton one :)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/47/4934-270117060850-479281563.jpeg)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Bealman on January 30, 2017, 06:16:00 AM
Top job. They look great!  :thumbsup:

Is that Annie or Clarabel in the background?  ;)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on January 30, 2017, 06:26:32 AM
Thank you :)  that is a good point ... I can't recall which one was the brake end... if any!   But I did get some Thomas the Tank faces to use on PRPS Santa specials ... so I could recreate one of them :)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: keithbythe sea on January 30, 2017, 10:34:31 AM
Thank you :)  that is a good point ... I can't recall which one was the brake end... if any!   But I did get some Thomas the Tank faces to use on PRPS Santa specials ... so I could recreate one of them :)

Clarabel has a brake compartment. :)

Viaduct looking very good.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on January 30, 2017, 10:57:46 AM
Clarabel it is then :)  My kids are all in their teens, so I have lost the excuse to research such a topic :)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: maridunian on January 30, 2017, 01:48:43 PM
Have also been playing around with how I will close out the gap below the backscene - I had an old Peco one which had a bit of a river scene, so intend to try and blend that in......

As I drive around that area, I'm struck by how many disused railway embankments there are, some doubtless thanks to Mr Beeching, but others ex-industrial, so could that sort of thing be part of the answer?

Mike
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on January 30, 2017, 04:18:23 PM
Very true Mike, I will have a lot of boards to landscape, so that is a good idea.

I also keep a watchful eye out for any more abandoned railway vans :)  ... not that there much chance of me being allowed another one  :-X
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on January 31, 2017, 08:27:43 AM
As a bit of fun for stories for the backstory, thanks to the help of NGF members, I got some of the almost N gauge sized Thomas the Tank cake toppers so that I could run some "Santa Specials", which in the world of preserved railways, are entirely prototypical :)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/47/4934-270117060901-479291964.jpeg)

Look away now those of a nervous disposition or under 12!  Percy "off his face" you might say!

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/47/4934-270117060923-479322399.jpeg)

Primer on the vitriol tanker, had to improvise with some double sided sticky tape (in the best Blue Peter tradition) to be able to paint it

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/47/4934-270117060916-479311542.jpeg)

My first venture into Fox Transfers, simple enough, but different again from previous transfers I have used - just some simple CR freight wagons.  Not a great photo - but think they will look good behind the CR livery Fairburn :)  (once I have tidied up the frames)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/47/4934-270117060933-479331273.jpeg)

Some other bits and pieces on the work tray .... some salt wagons, a coal merchant and painted the boards on the 2 flat cars which I plan to convert to trestle wagons and the painted vitriol tanker components & 2 more wagons for CR lettering

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/47/4934-270117060945-479351945.jpeg)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Chris in Prague on January 31, 2017, 09:24:49 AM
Thanks for the update, Andrew. You're building up a very impressive collection of rolling stock, there. I hope you'll have enough locos. to haul them all! 8-)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on January 31, 2017, 09:56:52 AM
Hi Chris, thank you - as you will see with upcoming updates, locomotives won't be a problem :)  finding shed space for them all might be though!  The PRPS has a few societies within it's ranks dedicated to specific classes of loco - there is the A4 Preservation Society.  When this society changed its name in 1999 to 'The Sir Nigel Gresley Locomotive Preservation Trust Ltd' a group of members elected to break away and retain the original name and pursue the preservation of other available A4's rather than maintaining just one.  They currently have 5 loco's and have close links to the owners of Mallard, Bittern, Union of South Africa & Sir Nigel Gresley.

There is also the 4F Association (Fictional) which is a sub society of the London Midland Society - they currently have 5 locomotives under their care. 

On the Diesel side there is a Class 101 society, a Class 47 Group and talk of a class 37 group forming

Once I get some decent scenic sections, I will get some photos of the work of all these groups, there is a big update on the A4 society coming soon with some exciting news of a new arrival to the PRPS
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Chris in Prague on January 31, 2017, 10:54:31 AM
Sounds very exciting. Maybe the CLPG and GWS will be organising a BR SR special from Cornwall hauled by the 'Green Dragon' (BR Standard 5MT 4-6-0) for the A4 event? 8-)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on January 31, 2017, 11:24:37 AM
A cordial invitation to attend the A4 gathering on the 16th February has been extended to the good folks of the CLPG & the GWS as special guests of the event being hosted by the PRPS and sponsored by the Tullibardine Distillery.  As many as six A4's are expected to be in steam for this gala event, sadly 3 others are at various stages of overhaul and will not be ready in time.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Newportnobby on January 31, 2017, 02:18:33 PM
6 X A4s gathered at the NRM York on 3rd July 2013 so to match that number is indeed impressive :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: cornish yorkie on January 31, 2017, 09:40:42 PM
 :hellosign: Many thanks for the    :greatpicturessign: & updates Andrew, looking forward to seeing the A4s together
       regards Derek.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: port perran on January 31, 2017, 09:47:35 PM
A cordial invitation to attend the A4 gathering on the 16th February has been extended to the good folks of the CLPG & the GWS as special guests of the event being hosted by the PRPS and sponsored by the Tullibardine Distillery.  As many as six A4's are expected to be in steam for this gala event, sadly 3 others are at various stages of overhaul and will not be ready in time.
It is anticipated that the Headland Brewery (Port Perran) will despatch crates of a specially named ale for the event. Speculation is that as the brewery like to include gold in the names of their ales the beer could be named Golden Fleece.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Chris in Prague on January 31, 2017, 10:10:43 PM
As the "Headland Brewery" Express Goods vans are not ready yet, the "Castle Brewery" will send one of its new Extra-LWB dark blue livery roller-bearing fitted vans to Port Perran to pick up the special ales to add to its own ones plus Somerset and Breton ciders and the van will be added to the next express goods from Wadebridge to Nine Elms from where it will be forwarded to Perthshire.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on February 01, 2017, 05:40:32 AM
It is with pleasure that the organising committee can confirm the presence of, recently returned to mainline duty, 4482 "Golden Eagle" at the A4 gathering, so a specially named ale bearing the name "Golden" would be most apt
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on February 01, 2017, 06:20:14 AM
In other news, I painted the hot air balloon, the one we seen round here most often is a large red one, emblazoned with the logo of a well known airline owned by a music mogul :)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/47/4934-270117060945-479342327.jpeg)

I also turned my attention to the track cleaners, need to fit the DCC board & chip.... but because I bought them in Japan.... the instructions are all in Japanese with cryptic diagrams!..... don't think Google translate can help me here!

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/47/4934-270117060957-479361059.jpeg)

I thought it might be fun to disguise them as Cinema Coaches, so with some great help from Adam at Electra Vinyls, I got some vinyls made up.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/47/4934-270117061002-47937161.jpeg)

I did get one set fitted, but then it occurred to me that I wouldn't be able to open up and do the DCC chip, so I removed the side panels (should have taken a photo  :doh: )  ... but as I type this, am thinking I should have checked that first!  Must have been a wine infused decision!  I will try and blame the Japanese instruction sheet  :-[

Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Steamie+ on February 01, 2017, 07:56:58 AM
Brilliant modelling Andrew, i love all your painting. Must get myself a track cleaner myself when funds allow.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: port perran on February 01, 2017, 08:36:45 AM
It is with pleasure that the organising committee can confirm the presence of, recently returned to mainline duty, 4482 "Golden Eagle" at the A4 gathering, so a specially named ale bearing the name "Golden" would be most apt
Golden Eagle it is then.
More details will be released in due course.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on February 02, 2017, 06:18:29 AM
Little bit more progress on the scenics, I started to "lay out" the golf course

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/47/4934-270117061012-479381332.jpeg)

The first two completed wagons (some finishing details on the underframes & the insides to paint aside) of what I hope will become a good size Caley Rly freight wagon collection - maybe one of these days there will be some RTR stuff - on which note, great to see the LNER coaches are finally getting a makeover by GF with the release of some new Thompson stock in the latest catalogue... better start saving now!  :)   Please ignore the woeful soldering on the track!  not sure where that rogue coupling came from..... Hopefully the headline in tomorrow's Courier won't be about a runaway train!

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/47/4934-270117061023-47939385.jpeg)

I picked up a few kits (with chassis I might add) in a saleroom auction - this is one of them

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/47/4934-270117061028-47940554.jpeg)

It is well made and already to go.... my only issue with the kit is its size, it is huge against other locomotives and rolling stock... will need to do some research and see if that was the case... maybe just sitting high on the chassis - will be a fun exercise to put a livery on it

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/47/4934-270117061047-479422212.jpeg)


Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Chris in Prague on February 02, 2017, 05:05:32 PM
Coming along very well, Andrew. I look forward to seeing the J52 in its final livery. Being a metal kit it might have had to be a bit on the large size to fit over the pannier tank motor?
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on February 03, 2017, 06:00:31 AM
Getting close to being ready to plant the viaduct legs (have marked their locations) and have shaped the closing piece for the backscene - ended up having to use a couple of screws too, the 3mm ply being a bit reluctant to stay flat!

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/47/4934-270117061043-479411780.jpeg)

Then I glued down the bit of Peco backscene and lined up the river on it with the river running under the viaduct

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/47/4934-270117061059-479432369.jpeg)

Some nearly completed wagons using transfers from Robbie - I have a thing about salt wagons (inexplicably) and close relatives in Broadstairs, hence the choice of merchant!

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/47/4934-270117061108-47944391.jpeg)

A small rake of CR freight wagons sitting at on platform 2 ...

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/47/4934-270117061111-479451958.jpeg)

The vitriol tanker painted & rebuilt, just needs a bit of touch up and research on what markings it would have had on it

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/47/4934-270117061127-479471659.jpeg)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Chris in Prague on February 03, 2017, 06:14:35 AM
Thanks for the photos., Andrew. That is going to be a very impressive viaduct scene when everything is completed.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Innovationgame on February 03, 2017, 06:44:41 AM
There's a lot f working going into some very nice detailing. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Webbo on February 03, 2017, 07:32:51 AM
I wish I had something called ACME on my layout as it hearkens back to cartoons when I was a kid. ACME explosives for Wile E Coyote in Roadrunner or something to do with Donald Duck? I do like the look of the kerosene tankers. Did you make up the decals for them? 

And I'm a fan of bridges of any type on a layout. Your viaduct is looking very good. Once embedded in the scenery it will be even better. I can only suggest that you don't plant its legs until you've got the scenery just behind it pretty well completed.

Webbo
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on February 03, 2017, 07:53:25 AM
Cheers Webbo,

Yes, I was having the same thoughts about coyote when I was doing them :)  They are transfers I got from Robbies Rolling Stock

You are way ahead of me on the viaduct :)  I am having to plan very carefully how I proceed, as you point out.. once the viaduct is "planted" I won't be able to get in behind it
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: maridunian on February 03, 2017, 03:28:31 PM
The first two completed wagons (some finishing details on the underframes & the insides to paint aside) of what I hope will become a good size Caley Rly freight wagon collection

Looking for something completely different, I came across this article (https://archive.org/stream/railwaylocomotiv19newy/railwaylocomotiv19newy#page/358/mode/1up) which features some good size Caley Rly freight wagons!

Mike

Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on February 03, 2017, 05:17:07 PM
Brilliant, thanks Mike, that opens up all sorts of possibilities... though will mean a few more expensive sheets of transfers just to use "C" & "R"  :)

I scrolled up to the page above and the caption under the Forth Rail Bridge made me smile.... looks far more like South Queensferry than Leith to me!

Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: port perran on February 03, 2017, 08:19:37 PM
Looking excellent. That viaduct is going to be something special I think.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Mito on February 03, 2017, 08:41:20 PM
Very nice indeed. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on February 04, 2017, 06:09:05 AM
Thanks Martin & Brian, I envisage this being one of the "viewpoints" of the layout, so want to make it look good... but so often in my modelling, getting what I want it to look like out of my head and onto the layout are 2 different things entirely!

I bit the bullet and planted the pillars, next step was to get the gorge floor completed, so more fun with modrock

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/47/4934-270117061126-47946305.jpeg)

Here is how it looks combined (only the pillars are fixed at this stage)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/47/4934-270117061140-479481122.jpeg)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: daveg on February 04, 2017, 06:17:46 AM
That's looking really nice.  :thumbsup:

I shall watch with interest how you do your river . I have a smaller couple of bridges that span the fictitious River Edding on my layout that needs finishing.

Dave G
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on February 04, 2017, 07:25:29 AM
Thanks Dave,  I am basing it (very) loosely on the premise that it is damed upstream, so there will be a wider dry riverbed and a relatively low flow, but does see higher flows during periods of high rainfall or snow melt... that is the plan anyway...
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: weave on February 04, 2017, 09:35:12 AM
Thanks Dave,  I am basing it (very) loosely on the premise that it is damed upstream, so there will be a wider dry riverbed and a relatively low flow, but does see higher flows during periods of high rainfall or snow melt... that is the plan anyway...

Hi,

Glad to know you have some honourable, knighted ladies upstream  :D.

Seriously, all looks great and very much looking forward to the 'how you did it' posts. Not just the river but the backdrop.

I've seen a few layouts with viaducts on here and like them immensely. Have bought two for a future planned layout so will be taking notes.

Keep up the good work.

Cheers weave  :beers:
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Chris in Prague on February 04, 2017, 10:51:58 AM
That is progressing very well, Andrew. I hope the upstream dam incorporates a salmon ladder. It looks like an idyllic spot for some salmon fishing! 8-)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Mr PJ on February 04, 2017, 02:07:10 PM
All coming along very nicely, the viaduct reminds me of the one on the Bo'Ness and Kinneil Railway strangely enough. Looking forward to seeing it all one all the grass and other scenic materials are added. Hope the van is standing up well to the winter weather!
Cheers
Paul
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: port perran on February 04, 2017, 02:43:01 PM
That is progressing very well, Andrew. I hope the upstream dam incorporates a salmon ladder. It looks like an idyllic spot for some salmon fishing! 8-)
Depending on bankside vegetation the Spey Cast may have to be incorporated !
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Mito on February 04, 2017, 06:44:04 PM
Thanks Martin & Brian, I envisage this being one of the "viewpoints" of the layout, so want to make it look good... but so often in my modelling, getting what I want it to look like out of my head and onto the layout are 2 different things entirely!

I have the same problem too transferring what's in my mind into reality.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Newportnobby on February 04, 2017, 08:06:27 PM
Thanks Martin & Brian, I envisage this being one of the "viewpoints" of the layout, so want to make it look good... but so often in my modelling, getting what I want it to look like out of my head and onto the layout are 2 different things entirely!

I have the same problem too transferring what's in my mind into reality.

I think if I had that ability I'd be locked up :uneasy:
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on February 05, 2017, 05:50:01 AM
Thanks Dave,  I am basing it (very) loosely on the premise that it is damed upstream, so there will be a wider dry riverbed and a relatively low flow, but does see higher flows during periods of high rainfall or snow melt... that is the plan anyway...

Hi,

Glad to know you have some honourable, knighted ladies upstream  :D.

Seriously, all looks great and very much looking forward to the 'how you did it' posts. Not just the river but the backdrop.

I've seen a few layouts with viaducts on here and like them immensely. Have bought two for a future planned layout so will be taking notes.

Keep up the good work.

Cheers weave  :beers:

Thanks Weave - the backdrop will be a test of my artistic abilities for sure!  This is the first proper bit of scenic modelling I have done for a few years :)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on February 05, 2017, 05:53:12 AM
All coming along very nicely, the viaduct reminds me of the one on the Bo'Ness and Kinneil Railway strangely enough. Looking forward to seeing it all one all the grass and other scenic materials are added. Hope the van is standing up well to the winter weather!
Cheers
Paul

Thanks Paul, the layout is taking on more than a passing resemblance to the B&KR :)  The van is bearing up very well!  The time taken to insulate it (in the height of summer) has proved very valuable :)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on February 05, 2017, 05:57:57 AM
Thanks Martin & Brian, I envisage this being one of the "viewpoints" of the layout, so want to make it look good... but so often in my modelling, getting what I want it to look like out of my head and onto the layout are 2 different things entirely!

I have the same problem too transferring what's in my mind into reality.

I think if I had that ability I'd be locked up :uneasy:

 :-X  was tempted to make reference to current affairs across the pond .... but thought better of it :)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on February 05, 2017, 06:01:11 AM
That is progressing very well, Andrew. I hope the upstream dam incorporates a salmon ladder. It looks like an idyllic spot for some salmon fishing! 8-)

With 3 bridges at this spot of the gorge, the fishermen tend to fish up at the loch above the dam . . . .that may take to take shape later this year :)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on February 05, 2017, 06:02:38 AM
That is progressing very well, Andrew. I hope the upstream dam incorporates a salmon ladder. It looks like an idyllic spot for some salmon fishing! 8-)
Depending on bankside vegetation the Spey Cast may have to be incorporated !

This spot is well known for grazing deer, so the vegetation is quite well trimmed!
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Bealman on February 05, 2017, 06:07:09 AM
Coming on very well indeed.  :thumbsup:

How is the van weathering your winter, incidentally?
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on February 05, 2017, 06:26:28 AM
I'm going to have to come up with an operational reason for all these salt vans.... maybe just as simple as the roads department building up their stockpile again for the winter road safety period.  D2264 handles a new batch of arrivals (RTR from Robbie this time, Christmas treat!)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/47/4934-270117061149-47949333.jpeg)

The North British one will form part of the growing demonstration train I have of Pre-grouping wagons from north of the border

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/47/4934-270117061156-479501716.jpeg)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/47/4934-270117061210-479511772.jpeg)

I had no reason for buying this one other than liking the colours as they match those of my favourite (Scottish) football team   :)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/47/4934-270117061211-47952164.jpeg)

Another one for the pre-grouping train, looks like there has been a light dusting of snow, judging by the loco engine compartment roof!

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/47/4934-270117061231-479541510.jpeg)

The refinery has a small lubes plant making speciality lubricants - here is one of the tankers that distributes the products

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/47/4934-270117061227-479531902.jpeg)

Its just been filled, but the customer had a concern over contamination, so they sent their field rep out to check it before dispatch

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/47/4934-270117061245-47955486.jpeg)

Finally, in this update about new rolling stock, some supplies arrive for the upcoming A4 gathering :)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/47/4934-270117061251-479561590.jpeg)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on February 05, 2017, 06:29:15 AM
Coming on very well indeed.  :thumbsup:

How is the van weathering your winter, incidentally?

The van is very toasty, it is fully insulated and I fitted a good heater last autumn that is doing a fine job :)  It is weathering down nicely externally too, but I still want to paint it Bauxite brown in the summer.  The most annoying problem is the padlock on the outer doors freezing up when it is icy
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Innovationgame on February 05, 2017, 06:47:36 AM
 :thankyousign: for the excelllent pictures of your goods wagons.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Webbo on February 05, 2017, 07:12:03 AM
Coming on very well indeed.  :thumbsup:

How is the van weathering your winter, incidentally?

The van is very toasty, it is fully insulated and I fitted a good heater last autumn that is doing a fine job :)  It is weathering down nicely externally too, but I still want to paint it Bauxite brown in the summer.  The most annoying problem is the padlock on the outer doors freezing up when it is icy

Are you going to add some NE, LMS, or CR lettering to the van?

Webbo
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on February 05, 2017, 07:17:13 AM
As it was built in 1956, should really be BR, but to be true to the original, it wouldn't have had BR on it... just the running number & data panel... so that was all I was thinking of doing
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Webbo on February 05, 2017, 07:27:07 AM
That's pretty BoRing Andrew

Considering your avatar some nice big bold NE letters on the side would look really good. Were these vans any different in 1956 than 10 years earlier?

Webbo
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on February 05, 2017, 07:37:07 AM
 :thumbsup:  Very True  -  I feel a "Rule 1" moment coming up :)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Bealman on February 05, 2017, 07:46:24 AM
At risk of getting Webb offside, I would like to see the bauxite.  :uneasy:
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Innovationgame on February 05, 2017, 07:49:31 AM
As it was built in 1956, should really be BR, but to be true to the original, it wouldn't have had BR on it... just the running number & data panel... so that was all I was thinking of doing
Surely the outside should reflect what's inside.  If you pre-date the LNER then the major operator was the Caledonian Railway, but North British had a goods depot in Perth and the Highland Railway had running rights into Perth.  So that gives you plenty of scope.  Perhaps you could have one of each.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Webbo on February 05, 2017, 07:59:12 AM
NE printed in great big white letters on a bauxite van would look pretty good to me. I have to admit that one of the big advantages of modelling North American railways rolling stock of up until recent times has been that the railroad names have been emblazoned on the freight car sides in big letters as they used to be in Britain pre nationalisation. However, in the last couple of decades in NA we have non-descript looking freight cars in bland colours that are only differentiated by their road numbers.

Webbo

Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on February 05, 2017, 08:01:00 AM
Very good points Laurence - I don't think SWMBO is very supportive of me acquiring any more full size wagons to restore :)  .... though if I find another one, I might chance my luck  :D

The main interest of the PRPS is LNER, but akin to the Bo'Ness & Kinneil Railway, they have an interest in preserving the earlier pre-grouping rolling stock of Scotland too, hence the recent updates on CR stock etc.  The Preservation theme is merely an excuse for me to run what I like :)

Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Newportnobby on February 05, 2017, 09:06:06 AM
I'd be wary of large lettering on the van as I wouldn't want to attract any unwanted curiosity as to what its contents might be.
I know I'm paranoid but am I paranoid enough? :worried: :uneasy: :hmmm:
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: weave on February 05, 2017, 09:10:15 AM
Hi Milton Rail,

Hope you don't mind but have invited some of my mob to your bash? on the 16th.

However, in a moment of sobriety and with tax return eventually done, dogs not barking for a change as our always gardening one side and petrol head the other neighbours are all away I have realised that I haven't got a clue what's going on.

Others seem to be coming from all over the country but not sure what year it's in. Want to do a few pics and bringing some booze but thought it was sixties, now thinking it's later  :confused1:.

Any enlightenment would be appreciated.

It might not even be your bash. I have the memory of a sieve.

Cheers weave  :beers:
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on February 05, 2017, 10:15:12 AM
The more the merrier, though you make a good point!  I will need the help of others with that query about when the year will be, you are correct though, the bash is mine :)

The Crieff Branch was closed to traffic on the 6th July 1964, and it was at that point the PRPS came into existence, a joint undertaking by keen railway enthusiasts from the Blackford Refinery & the Tullibardine Distillery ... so we can consider the late 60's as very feasible  .. .though the original premise was a gathering of restored A4's... so that would put it into the more modern era....  I am sure there could be another reason why a multitude of A4's got sent up the branch line (Perth did see a lot of them) .... maybe a conference of railway chief engineers at the Crieff Hydro .... :)

Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on February 05, 2017, 10:23:44 AM
I'd be wary of large lettering on the van as I wouldn't want to attract any unwanted curiosity as to what its contents might be.
I know I'm paranoid but am I paranoid enough? :worried: :uneasy: :hmmm:

I share your views, have tried as much as possible not to let on to people who pass by what is in the van... I would be able to do one side, which is more private... and leave the more public facing side a bland bauxite brown .... got a couple of months to ponder it.... though I should really make sure the insurance is fully covering it  :uneasy:
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Chris in Prague on February 05, 2017, 12:10:16 PM
Thanks for all the photos. That is a very impressive collection of goods stock. I see you have a very rare Allsops Lager Van. (You wouldn't have a spare duplicate, by any chance?) I've never seen a Grey's Brewery van before, but used to be a big fan of Brakspear's Henley ales. Is it that also a Robbie's transfer? My 'vote' would also be for BR Bauxite.

Have you tried a good squirt of WD40 for the padlock?
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on February 05, 2017, 12:33:21 PM
Thanks Chris, all those vans were a pre-Christmas order to Robbie, so he can do you an Allsopp's one and can usually adjust the running number if you ask him to in advance or just supply the transfers if you have the vans already

Have had a go with WD 40, my usual fallback for this and other outbuildings is to have a small butane blowtorch on hand to warm things up :)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Rabbitaway on February 05, 2017, 06:37:49 PM
Hi Andrew

Your Robbie's Rolling Stock wagons look great  :claphappy:

As I have built a few of these I have a few tips!

I find with tank wagons the best results are with a silver background as the clear transfers go straight on with no need to paint around a white background and also silver takes the satin clear coat well. You should have a go at the piano wire as the tie bar as this really finishes off the tank wagons.

PS. I mean the ones that are silver as their base colour!

Keep them coming as it is good to see unusual wagons   


 :thankyousign:


Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on February 05, 2017, 10:21:10 PM
Thanks for the reminder about the piano wire, you have told me that before, I have not been able to shake off the habit of using the stays that come with the kits!  Glad you like them, I should run a special "Robbie" train to show the ones I have made myself - I agree, it is really good having the unusual ones, my aim is to get them looking as good as you & Robbie get them :)

Cheers,
Andrew
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Rabbitaway on February 05, 2017, 11:44:03 PM
Andrew

I am at the painting stage with my next batch of wagons

The only 7 plank I am doing may be of interest as it is a nice green wagon branding the "Perth Gas Company"

I will post photos on the my build tread once the wagons are more progresses

 :D
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on February 06, 2017, 06:05:01 AM
The day of reckoning has come to the gorge!

First step was to paint the modrock around the pillars

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/47/4934-270117061302-47957906.jpeg)

Then, armed with a cheap set of acrylic paints, I got stuck in - you have to imagine the lighter peco backscene as a shaft of sunlight piercing the dullish grey cloud cover :) - 1st pass at the backscene and riverbed

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/47/4934-270117061310-47958942.jpeg)

I then used some grey track ballast that I had to represent the un-wetted width of the river.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/47/4934-270117061321-4795950.jpeg)

Back on the tracks and a couple more wagons I acquired - Peco one's this time

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/47/4934-270117061331-479601431.jpeg)

Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: daveg on February 06, 2017, 06:31:00 AM
Great progress!  :thumbsup:

Dave G
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Innovationgame on February 06, 2017, 06:33:08 AM
The viaduct's looking great, together with the river bed and back-scene.  It's all coming together.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Newportnobby on February 06, 2017, 07:03:18 AM
That's looking very good indeed, Andrew :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Webbo on February 06, 2017, 07:46:59 AM
Andrew

I think once you get a major scenery feature like the gorge and viaduct pretty much under control, it will provide a big psychological boost for you and your scenery construction. On my layout, I found that I was holding back on scenery things until I completed the bit around the mountain cleft at the end of my lake which included a girder bridge over a stream. Hopefully, you are not subject to such blockages in will as I am prone to.

Anyhow, it looks to me that things are coming along very nicely on your layout. Inspired by this thread, I'm planning to purchase a few of Robbie's wagons including an ACME kerosene tanker.

Webbo
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on February 06, 2017, 07:57:09 AM
Cheers Webbo, you are dead right... lots of doubts about stuffing things up before I start hold me back... Fitting Cobalt Point Motors is another... but yes, by taking my time and thinking it out definitely helps, as well as all the positive feedback from the forum

Good choice with the wagons, you won't be disappointed :)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on February 06, 2017, 05:51:20 PM
Based on the update on Chris's thread, I thought it was a good chance to update the PRPS history/backstory

The PRPS came about when a group of volunteers from the Tullibardine Distillery and the Blackford Petroleum Company were able to secure the line beyond the refinery junction to Muthill.  There was land adjacent to the old station site that the group were also able to obtain, giving rise to the HQ at Muthill that now is a major Perthshire tourist attraction

How there came to be a line in the first place is as follows.

The line between Stirling & Perth was opened by the Scottish Central Railway in 1848, there was also provision made in the act creating this new railway for a branch line to Crieff which was finally opened on 14th March 1856 after many construction delays which were centred on an over-extended engineer, Thomas Bouch.  There were however two competing locations for the junction, the surveyor originally favoured a location at Dunning, slightly further north than the eventual site that was chosen to the south of Auchterarder.  The original surveyor had favoured the Dunning option for its gentler approach to Crieff, however local politics and parliamentary pressure from influential landowners resulted in the Auchterarder location being chosen.  This caused great rancour in the area, especially with the very powerful and wealthy fruit growers who were concentrated around Dunning, so much so that they pushed ahead with their own line on the original route the surveyor favoured, largely funded from their own collective wealth.  The reason for this was that their prime market was to supply fresh fruit to the health spas that were opening up in Crieff Hydro, the most famous of these being opened by the formidable “Strathearn Hydropathic Establishment Company” in 1868.  In the early days of the Crieff Junction Railway (CJR), the fruit growers frequently suffered delays at Crieff Junction which resulted in their produce being spoiled, the CJR choosing to prioritise its own traffic and this further spurred them on to open their own branch.  Work was completed on this (fictional) branch on 28th May 1858.   

The prime goods traffic of the CJR, was Gleneagles, the distillery at Tullibardine and the Blackford Petroleum Refinery.  There was a small halt beyond these two industries that served the hamlet of Tullibardine.  Travelling further into the Perthshire hills, past the golf courses of Gleneagles, the next station was Muthill, where there was a reasonably sized goods yard maintained.  The line was closed to traffic on 6th July 1964 and it was at this point the PRPS came into being.  They were able to secure the line to Muthill, but beyond that, the track was lifted.  Their operating case came from being able to continue running the operations of the refinery and distillery as a going concern.

With the founding members coming from the 2 main industries that the truncated branch still served, it was relatively straight forward to secure operating agreements with them to provide a source of much needed revenue for the society.  The distillery and refinery were happy as they were able to divest the running of the line to committed railwaymen, allowing them to concentrate on their core businesses.  So far this arrangement has worked very well.

It is well documented that the "founding fathers" had chewed over the idea of taking over the branch line as early as 1959 when the rumours of closure first started to surface - these long discussions were often fuelled by copious amounts of beer & whisky (more often than not, the whisky being the "angel's share" from the distillery) went long into the night.  The final catalyst was the event organised Alan Pegler on February 16th 1963 to generate momentum within the fledgling preservation movement whith great numbers descending on Crieff and the branch line in a show of strength to persuade the BR Board to not only sell the locomotives as going concerns but also to allow access to the mainlines in the future.  It was the start of some very strong friendships between various groups across the country & Channel that would help the preservation movement weather some difficult times ahead.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Innovationgame on February 06, 2017, 06:35:58 PM
An excellent thread, Andrew.  Incidentally, I have posted a picture of A4s on Chris's website.  Would you like me to post it here instead?  Also, I can't now find any reference to A4s without streamlining, but I'm sure I remember, in my later Ian Allens, seeing a few which were rebuilt, still as Class A4 but without the streamlining.  They looked just like A2s.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on February 06, 2017, 07:09:10 PM
Thanks Laurence, it is not as organised and informative as yours by any stretch, but it keeps me greatly entertained while I am away at work for long stretches and I do enjoy the banter and feedback

You have me reaching for google images now :)

I saw the cracking A4 picture on the Cant Cove thread - I won't be able to recreate that picture...not having a roundhouse in Perthshire at the moment!
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Chris in Prague on February 06, 2017, 07:22:21 PM
Although I don't claim to be as interested in the (LN)ER as the (G)WR or the SR, I don't remember any A4s being rebuilt. A1s or A2s, maybe?
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: port perran on February 06, 2017, 07:50:44 PM
No A4s were rebuilt or altered as far as I'm aware Lawrence I'm afraid. I do, however, recall seeing a picture of one rather defrocked as it were at Doncaster (or was it Darlington) in the 60s prior to scrapping .
The LNER had a few B17s (4-6-0s) streamlined (looking very much like a shorter A4)and  I believe these were later rebuilt as conventional 4-6-0s
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: port perran on February 06, 2017, 07:56:27 PM
Thanks for the excellent back story Andrew.
Good to have a story/history to complement the railway.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Carmont on February 06, 2017, 08:12:44 PM
No A4s were rebuilt or altered as far as I'm aware Lawrence I'm afraid. I do, however, recall seeing a picture of one rather defrocked as it were at Doncaster (or was it Darlington) in the 60s prior to scrapping .
The LNER had a few B17s (4-6-0s) streamlined (looking very much like a shorter A4)and  I believe these were later rebuilt as conventional 4-6-0s

This is correct, however I seem to recall it was only two B17s streamlined: 2859 and 2870. The streamlining was purely cosmetic and had no positive effect on the performance of the locomotive.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on February 07, 2017, 05:58:40 AM
Once things had dried & I could hoover up the excess (had to upgrade from the Hoover hand held to the Dyson, the Hoover could not cut it sadly)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/47/4934-270117061338-47961856.jpeg)

I raided one of the garden beds for some very fine gravel and stuck some nicely shaped ones into the river bed for effect

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/47/4934-270117061354-47962464.jpeg)

A view looking straight down the river - once the glue on the rocks has set, I can flock the sides of the gorge, get some tree's in and try the Modellwasser in the river then glue the viaduct down :)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/47/4934-270117061356-479631378.jpeg)

Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Innovationgame on February 07, 2017, 06:26:18 AM
The stream bed is really looking good now. :beers:  Sorry about the A4 rebuild info.  My memory must be playing tricks on me. :sorrysign:
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Chris in Prague on February 07, 2017, 07:12:34 AM
That really does look very good, Andrew. It's what I'm aiming for with my two streams but have yet to complete.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Innovationgame on February 07, 2017, 07:50:56 AM
Here's a picture that I originally posted on Cant Cove.  I have now removed it from there and reposted it here, which seems more appropriate.  It is from a story by Nick Enoch, published by The Mail Online on 3rd July 2013

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/48/3091-060217145637-483312035.jpeg)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Carmont on February 07, 2017, 08:03:47 AM
An excellent thread, Andrew.  Incidentally, I have posted a picture of A4s on Chris's website.  Would you like me to post it here instead?  Also, I can't now find any reference to A4s without streamlining, but I'm sure I remember, in my later Ian Allens, seeing a few which were rebuilt, still as Class A4 but without the streamlining.  They looked just like A2s.

Laurence,

Perhaps what you saw was a gresley P2. A 2-8-2 locomotive, some of these were built with front end streamlining that resembled that on the A4. These were rebuilt b Thomson into A2/2 Pacifics.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Carmont on February 07, 2017, 08:37:38 AM
An excellent thread, Andrew.  Incidentally, I have posted a picture of A4s on Chris's website.  Would you like me to post it here instead?  Also, I can't now find any reference to A4s without streamlining, but I'm sure I remember, in my later Ian Allens, seeing a few which were rebuilt, still as Class A4 but without the streamlining.  They looked just like A2s.


Laurence,

Perhaps what you saw was a gresley P2. A 2-8-2 locomotive, some of these were built with front end streamlining that resembled that on the A4. These were rebuilt b Thomson into A2/2 Pacifics.


Without wishing to hi-jack this thread....

P2 :

http://www.cockothenorth.co.uk/train/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/Nos-2001-was-also-changed-to-a-wedge-front-end-when-in-fro-general-repairs-30-9-37-to-14-9-38-2.jpg (http://www.cockothenorth.co.uk/train/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/Nos-2001-was-also-changed-to-a-wedge-front-end-when-in-fro-general-repairs-30-9-37-to-14-9-38-2.jpg)

and A2/2:

http://www.davidheyscollection.com/userimages/0001-j-payne-60501-full.jpg (http://www.davidheyscollection.com/userimages/0001-j-payne-60501-full.jpg)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on February 07, 2017, 08:46:15 AM
No worries, a good LNER discussion is fine with me & the members of the PRPS :)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Chris in Prague on February 07, 2017, 09:04:28 AM
Although passengers and coaches are still being confirmed (especially the portion from S. Cornwall) for the Cornwall-Perthshire special train hauled by BR Standard Class 5MT 4-6-0 73068 'The Green Dragon', at present, the BR SR Green formation is: loco., SR CCT, BCK, FK, RFO, RMB, SK, BSK. (All are BR Standard coaches.)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on February 08, 2017, 06:24:07 AM
Not much to report on the scenics today, but a new arrival to the PRPS - 27203, one of the illustrious fleet that ran the Edinburgh - Glasgow push pull expresses

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/47/4934-270117061413-47965860.jpeg)

Seen here with fellow class member 27008.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/47/4934-270117061411-479641647.jpeg)

Both loco's have the blue star wiring and other modifications fitted for the E-G work, so the hope is that a working set of this iconic central belt operation can be assembled

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/47/4934-270117061426-47966745.jpeg)

Here is an idea of where the fictional line I described earlier fits in

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/48/4934-070217054019-483452263.jpeg)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Chris in Prague on February 08, 2017, 07:02:48 AM
Thanks for the photos. and the map (not being very knowledgeable about Scottish railways it was very useful to see the locality). I remember seeing some Class 27s in Scotland and it's good to see some preserved in Perthshire. I also hope that enough coaching stock can be preserved  to run a representative Edinburgh - Glasgow push-pull express.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on February 08, 2017, 07:23:25 AM
Thanks Chris - I need to take a look at what Mk2 stock I currently have... but as "luck" would have it, in the new GF catalogue, the 4 TSO's, FK & BSO in Blue Grey needed are shown - would need to add some Inter-city transfers, but hopes are high that this will be very possible in the near future :)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Steamie+ on February 08, 2017, 07:26:30 AM
Great photo of  good looking Loco and the map is brilliant.     :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Carmont on February 08, 2017, 08:33:20 AM
The more the merrier, though you make a good point!  I will need the help of others with that query about when the year will be, you are correct though, the bash is mine :)

The Crieff Branch was closed to traffic on the 6th July 1964, and it was at that point the PRPS came into existence, a joint undertaking by keen railway enthusiasts from the Blackford Refinery & the Tullibardine Distillery ... so we can consider the late 60's as very feasible  .. .though the original premise was a gathering of restored A4's... so that would put it into the more modern era....  I am sure there could be another reason why a multitude of A4's got sent up the branch line (Perth did have a good allocation of them) .... maybe a conference of railway chief engineers at the Crieff Hydro .... :)

Again, I hope this isn't coming across as negative, that certainly isn't the intention. However, Perth didn't have any A4s allocated during their time operating on the Aberdeen - Glasgow service. The main sheds were Ferryhill and St Rollox although they were stored initially at St Margarets prior to moving on to the former locations.

Perth being "half-way", however, could be found to have a number on layover for servicing and fuelling, and so there's no reason an A4 couldn't be found doing a filling in turn .

Hope that helps.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on February 08, 2017, 10:01:23 AM
Very helpful - one of the downsides of creating an alternaitive reality is that you lose track of which one you are in :)   I was sure I had read that there were A4's allocated to Perth, but happy to be corrected on that.

So the story will go that he used his sway to bring available A4's at Perth to the branch rather there being any allocated there.

...oh what a tangled web we weave ......... :)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Rabbitaway on February 08, 2017, 08:04:31 PM
.....and in later years the line from Crieff was extended to Locheaenhead to connect to the line to Oban

Dramatic viaduct included, pity it was not a success as it closed well before Beeching!

 
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Chris in Prague on February 08, 2017, 08:16:41 PM
Don't forget also John Cameron who, in July 1966, purchased A4 60009 "Union of South Africa" and preserved it on the now-defunct Lochty Private Railway in Fife, Scotland, travelling the 1.5 miles (2.4 km) of track near Anstruther. (Cameron later became the Chairman of ScotRail and a member of the British Railways Board from 1990 to 1996. He is the President of the Gresley Society.)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Rabbitaway on February 08, 2017, 08:31:59 PM
Chris

I have a distant memory as a child of travelling on this short preserved railway behind the A4. My uncle had just bought a farm in Fife and I went there with him and my father. I do remember it being an odd set up!

Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on February 08, 2017, 08:58:20 PM
Don't forget also John Cameron who, in July 1966, purchased A4 60009 "Union of South Africa" and preserved it on the now-defunct Lochty Private Railway in Fife, Scotland, travelling the 1.5 miles (2.4 km) of track near Anstruther. (Cameron later became the Chairman of ScotRail and a member of the British Railways Board from 1990 to 1996. He is the President of the Gresley Society.)

It is widely rumoured that Mr Cameron will be attending the gathering  :beers:  though the loco he has his eye on purchasing is still undergoing maintenance work in Dumfries & Galloway
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on February 09, 2017, 06:12:26 AM
I started to put down the flock in the gorge and played around with the backscene "art"work a bit more, addidng some tree trunks and more graduation - I tried to complete the tree on the right hand side, the top was showing on the original photo backscene, I was quite pleased with how it came out

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/47/4934-270117061435-47967908.jpeg)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/47/4934-270117061443-479681216.jpeg)

Once that had dried (does not take long in the heat of the van) and the loose flock lifted, I applied the Modellwasser liquid to the river bed - there was a good tutorial on youtube, its not unlike thin PVA

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/47/4934-270117061503-479701609.jpeg)

I "planted" my first tree :)  and added some foliage to break up the line between wall and layout a bit while the modellwasser slowly dries

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/47/4934-270117061502-479691515.jpeg)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Innovationgame on February 09, 2017, 06:30:23 AM
The back scene merges quite beautifully with the gorge :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Chris in Prague on February 09, 2017, 07:28:22 AM
The back scene merges quite beautifully with the gorge :thumbsup:

I agree. A really superb job. I had wondered how you would blend the two very different styles of backscene in. With a few more trees and bushes diminishing in size (to achieve a false perspective of distance) the foreground will blend into the background perfectly and the river flow from the back to front of the valley. Your success with the Modelwasser encourages me to buy some to use, too.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Newportnobby on February 09, 2017, 10:14:12 AM
Very well blended, Andrew.
Can I ask what the circular thing in the first picture is - left hand side about an inch below the bush? :dunce:
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: cornish yorkie on February 09, 2017, 10:17:38 AM
 :hellosign:  :greatpicturessign: Excellent work Andrew nice looking gorge, thanks for the updates
      regards Derek.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on February 09, 2017, 10:23:06 AM
Very well blended, Andrew.
Can I ask what the circular thing in the first picture is - left hand side about an inch below the bush? :dunce:

Thanks Mick, I was trying to think of something clever to say..... unfortunately it is just a poorly disguised screw head for the backboard  :-[  when I continue up the hill with the flock, I will disguise it with a tree or tall bush
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Newportnobby on February 09, 2017, 10:26:40 AM
 :oopssign:
Sorry to have pointed it out, Andrew. I thought you had a sneaky camera lens or something in the bank.
As you say, a well sited tree or bush will hide it.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on February 09, 2017, 11:18:49 AM
The only thing I keep in the bank is the overdraft :)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on February 10, 2017, 07:15:47 AM
Got the refinery head shunt laid finally

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/47/4934-270117061519-47971656.jpeg)

The Modellwasser just about dry, will be quite a subtle effect on this stream, might need an extra layer where it needs to be more obvious

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/47/4934-270117061526-479721467.jpeg)

While I had the flocking stuff out (sure there is a double entendre in there somewhere, over to you NPN  ;) ), started adding grass to the cutting by the golf course - that is not the right bridge for there either, was just trying it out - apologies for the blurry photo

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/47/4934-270117061534-4797314.jpeg)

With less than a week to go before the A4 gathering, was time to get the bridge in place - weighted down with a bit of ahem "ballast"   :)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/47/4934-270117061545-479741597.jpeg)

needed something a bit more industrial to weight down the track bed beyond the gorge towards the distillery boards

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/47/4934-270117061549-47975405.jpeg)




Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Innovationgame on February 10, 2017, 07:35:27 AM
While I had the flocking stuff out (sure there is a double entendre in there somewhere, over to you NPN  ;) ),
Don't start off on the double entendres - you'll have everyone following like sheep!
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Chris in Prague on February 10, 2017, 08:16:10 AM
Thanks for the latest update, Andrew. The secenery is coming on now very well. I noticed the heather scatter as I have some and tried it out but did not think it looked suitable for Cornwall so spraypainted it a green colour then added other scatter!

The Panmayne portion of the Wadebridge to Perthshire train will be photographed soon behind 'The Green Dragon', at Cant Cove. (I want to try laying the paving stones on the platforms, first.)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: weave on February 10, 2017, 11:58:29 AM
Hi Andrew,

All looking good, especially the scene at the beginning of Star Wars 2 (the Empire Strikes Back) in the last photo.  :)

The 2 guests from Guin (which might be spelt Xuin, been researching  :hmmm:, for the A4 gathering, have officially left on their way to Cornwall but prob no pics til Sunday as the photographer (ie my wife's phone) has other commitments.

Means I can get more done though.

Keep up the good work.

Cheers weave  :beers:

Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Chris in Prague on February 10, 2017, 05:10:11 PM
I look forward to the photos. on your thread, Chris. I hope to post my photos. on Monday afternoon.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: keithbythe sea on February 11, 2017, 07:53:20 PM
Since NPN seems to be absent from post I'll say it:

Flocking marvellous  :D
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: port perran on February 11, 2017, 08:04:09 PM
I look forward to the photos. on your thread, Chris. I hope to post my photos. on Monday afternoon.
Similarly, the Truro portion (via Port Perran and Trepol Bay) will be photographed on Monday.
The motive power for this portion of the train is being kept a closely guarded secret.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Chris in Prague on February 11, 2017, 09:47:54 PM
Do you have a date, yet, please, for the Gathering of the A4s, Andrew?
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Newportnobby on February 11, 2017, 10:27:10 PM
Since NPN seems to be absent from post I'll say it:

Flocking marvellous  :D

Thanks Keith. It's been a busy couple of days ::)
Why should it always be me who gets into trouble, anyway? ;)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on February 12, 2017, 02:19:56 PM
Do you have a date, yet, please, for the Gathering of the A4s, Andrew?

Chris, 16th February 1963 :)

Apologies for the delay & absence, we are just coming out of a 52 hour com's blackout!  Its been a very quiet weekend with not emails from the office :)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on February 12, 2017, 02:31:05 PM
After an untimely internet black out lasting 52 hours... I can get back to the updates (this was meant to be Saturdays)!

Austin Spindlers hot air balloon can be seen here with it's new decals - I used 4mm Fox Transfers, but perhaps needed to be O gauge!

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/47/4934-270117061606-47977368.jpeg)

Trackbed fixed and a new bit of styrene formed to close the last gap

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/47/4934-270117061605-47976906.jpeg)

Fixing down the cork trackbed

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/47/4934-270117061626-4797923.jpeg)

Then a coat of paint to help things along

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/47/4934-270117061635-47980622.jpeg)




Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on February 12, 2017, 02:46:34 PM
In what feels like a major step forward, track is finally laid over the gorge :)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/47/4934-270117061656-479821401.jpeg)

I also planted another tree in the gorge, one of many cheap Chinese ones I have

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/47/4934-270117061653-47981554.jpeg)

In preparation for another leap forward (a train running over the viaduct under its own motive power) I ran in some droppers to the refinery headshunt & the branch (I will spare you the gruesome pictures of my soldering!)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/47/4934-270117061710-47983127.jpeg)

I fitted one side of the bridge handrails, will wait until I have laid the ballast etc before I fit the other one as it will impede things ... will need to research how the rails would have been laid.. I assume on ballast on the bridge, but maybe not?  Can see a few gaps and bits of weathering I need to tidy up on the viaduct & backscene now everything is in place, but that will be easy enough & I am quite pleased with how it is coming along.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/47/4934-270117061719-479842299.jpeg)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Newportnobby on February 12, 2017, 04:27:57 PM
Thanks for the latest update, Andrew.
Can I ask where you sourced the handrails for the viaduct please?
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on February 12, 2017, 04:44:21 PM
Hi Mick,

They came with the kit I used, which was the Kibri 37663 Ravenna Viaduct ....
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: port perran on February 12, 2017, 04:46:59 PM
Looking exceptionally good Andrew.
I think ballst over the viaduct. That's what I intend to do with the girder bridge over my creek (rightly or wrongly).
Keep the updates coming.
The first portion of the A4 special (Truro to Wadebridge where it will join with the Cant Cove portion to Birmingham) is due to leave Truro very early on Tuesday morning. Motive power for this first portion is secret at the moment but no doubt pictures will appear in due course.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: cornish yorkie on February 12, 2017, 06:49:43 PM
 :hellosign:     :greatpicturessign: Thanks for the updates Andrew, looking good
        regards Derek,
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: weave on February 13, 2017, 12:10:32 AM
Hi Andrew,

All looking great.

Just to say my lot are on their way. Have done a temp thread called 'Principat de Xuin to Scotland' if you're interested. Don't know how to do link and it's not very good but am sure the Cornish boys can take over tomorrow and do a far better job of everyone's journey.

Cheers weave  :beers:
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on February 13, 2017, 05:57:38 AM
Thanks Weave, I'll seek out your thread :)

Started to get power district 2 wired up, this will include the gorge and distillery boards - I would like to tell you this is all loosely run and will be tidied and organised once it is all tested & proven.... but it will probably stay like this now!  I have been taking time to add some cable markers though and try and capture the wiring on a diagram.  That point motor slot looks a tad optimistic too :)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/47/4934-270117061724-479852382.jpeg)

Time for a little bit of a diversion - had a day out to the big smoke in January to do the Glasgow Central Station Tour, a fine Caledonian Railway building with a long history & hidden depths - well worth the £13 for the narrative from the tour guide - will soon be a very different experience once he gets the museum opened up in a few months time (will be housed in a victorian coach he has acquired that will be located at one of the subterranean platforms)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/47/4934-270117061748-479872086.jpeg)

Inspired by my visit to an icon of the Caledonian Railway, I completed the wiring of the track & ran my first train over the gorge  :beers:

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/47/4934-270117061739-47986531.jpeg)

Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Steamie+ on February 13, 2017, 06:13:43 AM
Since NPN seems to be absent from post I'll say it:

Flocking marvellous  :D

Thanks Keith. It's been a busy couple of days ::)
Why should it always be me who gets into trouble, anyway? ;)

HaHa Mick, must be because you are so thick skinned mate... :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Innovationgame on February 13, 2017, 06:20:02 AM
Don't worry about the wiring.  Mine's a lot more higgledy-piggledy looking.  But I needed to allow plenty of slack to allow the boards to be lifted. 

I love Glasgow Central Station.  It must have been great to see the Caledonian steaming in behind a Stanier pacific.

Good progress on the gorge, getting the track going!
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Steamie+ on February 13, 2017, 06:41:10 AM
Great to see this layout coming along nicely, and also getting a loco on the viaduct is brilliant.    :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on February 14, 2017, 06:07:29 AM
Started working on blending in the viaduct to the surrounding hills using a few more bits of walling that came with the kit, you can also make out the family of deer grazing down near the river.  Their peace will be shattered in a couple of days time when a crowd of A4's and other loco's descends on this peaceful part of Perthshire :)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/47/4934-270117061757-479881914.jpeg)

Decided it was time to start putting down the rest of the droppers in the refinery and complete power district 2 - the vintage american loco is for a small cameo scene I am planning on the layout

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/47/4934-270117061824-479902075.jpeg)

My first attempt with the peco rail style buffer stops

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/47/4934-270117061823-479891767.jpeg)

Droppers in & soldered with mixed results, I am definitely getting slightly better at soldering :)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/47/4934-270117061848-479918.jpeg)

though not that you would know to look at it  :smiley-laughing:

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/47/4934-270117061849-47992771.jpeg)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Innovationgame on February 14, 2017, 06:21:00 AM
 :greatpicturessign:  It's really coming on. 
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Steamie+ on February 14, 2017, 06:50:04 AM
Started working on blending in the viaduct to the surrounding hills using a few more bits of walling that came with the kit, you can also make out the family of deer grazing down near the river.  Their peace will be shattered in a couple of days time when a crowd of A4's and other loco's descends on this peaceful part of Perthshire :)

([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/47/4934-270117061757-479881914.jpeg[/url])

Decided it was time to start putting down the rest of the droppers in the refinery and complete power district 2 - the vintage american loco is for a small cameo scene I am planning on the layout

([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/47/4934-270117061824-479902075.jpeg[/url])

My first attempt with the peco rail style buffer stops

([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/47/4934-270117061823-479891767.jpeg[/url])

Droppers in & soldered with mixed results, I am definitely getting slightly better at soldering :)

([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/47/4934-270117061848-479918.jpeg[/url])

though not that you would know to look at it  :smiley-laughing:

([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/47/4934-270117061849-47992771.jpeg[/url])


Very nice, soldering is a bit better than mine...lol.   :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Webbo on February 14, 2017, 07:11:28 AM
Ah, soldering.

I'm responsible for many poor attempts at track soldering and have resorted to advice on the web on how to do it. Now, I use a tip cleaner that is a bit like a clump of steel wool. Rubbing the tip through this stuff gives a bright shiny tip for a short time until oxidation sets in. Good for conduction and getting the heat into the joint quickly before the plastic sleepers start to melt. I also paint the bits to be soldered with a liquid flux - seems to help a lot for the quality of the joint.

If all else fails, an ugly looking joint can be made pretty with a Dremel tool or something similar.
Webbo
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on February 14, 2017, 08:07:05 AM
Excellent advice, thanks webbo - I also used your advice on my track shorts and put the gaps where you advised and I am pleased to say it has all worked out, no more track shorts and an understanding going forward of what I need to do with electrofrogs!
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Webbo on February 14, 2017, 08:22:52 AM
Thank you Andrew

I'm hoping that this means I don't have to worry about ticking parcels in the mail from Perth.

Webbo
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: port perran on February 14, 2017, 08:44:19 AM
Looking really good Andrew.
I'm considering a few deer for my creek at Port Perran.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on February 14, 2017, 09:15:05 AM
Thank you Andrew

I'm hoping that this means I don't have to worry about ticking parcels in the mail from Perth.

Webbo

 :laughabovepost:  well not from Scotland at least   ;)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on February 15, 2017, 05:54:48 AM
With preparations for tomrrow's gathering in Crieff in full swing, the greenkeepers were scrambling to get the golf course in tip top condition for the visit of golf fanatic Sean Connery

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/47/4934-270117061859-47993629.jpeg)

I wanted to give the impression of the striped effect that greenkeepers like to achieve

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/47/4934-270117061913-479941900.jpeg)

So I have created a couple of mixes, one with a bit of darker flock through it that will be applied where the tape is currently, though the flock is quite a large size now I see it....

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/47/4934-270117061915-479952431.jpeg)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Chris in Prague on February 15, 2017, 07:36:09 AM
Thanks for the latest update, Andrew. Alas, in N Scale, grass scatter has to be super-fine in size otherwise it looks over-scale. In this respect, I've found the German scatter to be better than the British ones that I have got. However, I do hope that the greens will be ready for Mr. Connery's visit.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on February 16, 2017, 06:13:09 AM
At last with great excitement, the A4's started to arrive - because their attendance was an informal arrangement with Terry Miller and the Perth Depot, the final roster of loco's available was not clear until the day.  1st to appear on the branch, "fresh" off the 06:14 Aberdeen service is 4464 "Bittern" (hence the less than pristine condition) (please overlook the majority are not in BR livery!)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/47/4934-270117061934-47996272.jpeg)

4482 "Golden Eagle"

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/47/4934-270117061954-479981848.jpeg)

4498 "Sir Nigel Gresley"  (for some reason pulling the tender of 4468)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/48/4934-270117062013-480001796.jpeg)

4468 "Mallard" with the tender of 4498 - must have been a mix up in the depot

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/48/4934-270117062037-48002456.jpeg)

60004 "William Whitelaw"

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/48/4934-270117062033-480012357.jpeg)

Finally, the 6th one to appear, 2509 "Silver Link"

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/48/4934-270117062051-480031370.jpeg)

Sadly, it was hoped that 60027 "Merlin", 60009 "Union of South Africa" and 60017 "Silver Fox" could attend, but these are all out of service for repairs







Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Innovationgame on February 16, 2017, 06:30:43 AM
 :greatpicturessign: Thanks for showing all the A4s.  I hope to post some A4 pictures later after today's rail trip.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: weave on February 16, 2017, 06:45:36 AM
Hi Andrew,

Great stuff. Hope there'll be more pics.

Cheers weave  :beers:
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: port perran on February 16, 2017, 07:13:14 AM
Thanks for those photos Andrew.
Looks like it will be a great gathering.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on February 16, 2017, 07:43:45 AM
Some other photographers captured Bittern as it picked up speed on the gradient leaving Tullibardine heading back towards Gleneagles

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/47/4934-270117061943-47997355.jpeg)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: port perran on February 16, 2017, 07:54:50 AM
Bittern looks very realistic in that rather careworn livery and very much at home in the Scottish countryside.
Smashing stuff.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on February 16, 2017, 09:38:30 AM
The same photographer was rewarded for their patience when Golden Eagle passed by

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/47/4934-270117062010-479992213.jpeg)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on February 16, 2017, 11:49:20 AM
As we are depicting 1963, not a lot of colour photography about, so thought I would show them in a more fitting way

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/48/4934-150217130854-486351049.jpeg)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/48/4934-150217130856-48645243.jpeg)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/48/4934-150217130907-486462051.jpeg)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/48/4934-150217130908-486471555.jpeg)




Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on February 16, 2017, 04:40:51 PM
Bittern looks very realistic in that rather careworn livery and very much at home in the Scottish countryside.
Smashing stuff.

Really pleased with this one, it was a recent special treat to myself and the most expensive loco I have bought, being a DCC fitted, weathered, custom numbered/named loco from TMC
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on February 16, 2017, 05:24:34 PM
While the negotiations went on with the Railway board at Crieff Hydro and Sean Connery got to grips with the Kings Course at Gleneagles (or maybe it was Ursula Andress) the locomen amused themselves by setting up a classic shot (taken from the cab roof of the ginormous J52)  :)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/48/4934-270117062101-480041661.jpeg)

Also in the area was Austin Spindler, he got an even more elevated shot of the proceedings, though was careful to not get too close.

The refinery yard master was just pleased to get all his sidings cleared of non Hydrocarbon bearing rolling stock!

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/48/4934-270117062114-48005634.jpeg)

One of the passengers in the hot air balloon could only stretch to Ilford FP3 B&W film for his camera

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/48/4934-150217130927-486491612.jpeg)

The merriment & celebrations are expected to continue long into the night, to his dismay, farmer & local lothario Jim Finch, has been called away to attend to lambing duties
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: port perran on February 16, 2017, 07:14:49 PM
 Quote :"Sean Connery got to grips with the Kings Course at Gleneagles (or maybe it was Ursula Andress)"
Not sure how to read this ! Ha Ha - Was is Sean Connery getting to grips with Ursula Andres or Ursula Andres getting to grip with the King's Course !! :D :D
Love the A4s by the way - and the B&W photos.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on February 16, 2017, 07:53:56 PM
 :angel:

I think the defining answer on how to read that will come from NPN :)

Thanks for the comments, the B&W's do look quite good (if only because it removed the colour cast I have been battling the last few months) :)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on February 17, 2017, 07:06:30 AM
After all the high profile (or should that be low profile) A4's departed the branch, it was left to 525 A H Peppercorn to take the dignatries back down to the mainline (the deer don't seem to have been bothered by all the commotion though)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/48/4934-270117062128-48006523.jpeg)



(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/48/4934-270117062130-480072317.jpeg)



(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/48/4934-270117062149-4800926.jpeg)



(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/48/4934-270117062146-48008538.jpeg)

1000 Mayflower completes the tidy up

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/48/4934-270117062203-48010650.jpeg)



(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/48/4934-150217130936-48650741.jpeg)




Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Webbo on February 17, 2017, 07:20:46 AM
Andrew

Your last two pictures of Mayflower have reminded me of a question that I have had for a while concerning 4-6-0 locomotives. The first and second pairs of drivers are closer together than the second and third pair. This doesn't seem to happen with Pacifics. Mayflower is an LNER loco and yet we see the same thing on LMS class 5s (and BR 5MTs) and GWR Castle class 4-6-0s. Can anyone tell me why this seems to happen with 10-wheelers and not 4-6-2s?

Webbo
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: port perran on February 17, 2017, 08:27:14 AM
Thanks for those latest photos Andrew.
Did all of the dinitaries manage to get back on board on time and with clear heads?
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on February 17, 2017, 10:18:56 AM
Thanks Martin, there were  a few sore heads and a high demand for the cholesterol laden Full Highland Breakfast  :)  - so far, no one has been posted missing, though the Chelsea Girls are remaining tight lipped about all the going's on that they witnessed
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: port perran on February 17, 2017, 03:44:45 PM
It is quite possible that we might be able to get a shot of the Wadebridge to Truro portion of the train on its way back on Sunday.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on February 17, 2017, 04:24:35 PM
Andrew

Your last two pictures of Mayflower have reminded me of a question that I have had for a while concerning 4-6-0 locomotives. The first and second pairs of drivers are closer together than the second and third pair. This doesn't seem to happen with Pacifics. Mayflower is an LNER loco and yet we see the same thing on LMS class 5s (and BR 5MTs) and GWR Castle class 4-6-0s. Can anyone tell me why this seems to happen with 10-wheelers and not 4-6-2s?

Webbo

You got me there, but I see clearly what you mean now... which one is prototypical?
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Webbo on February 17, 2017, 07:18:00 PM
Andrew

Your last two pictures of Mayflower have reminded me of a question that I have had for a while concerning 4-6-0 locomotives. The first and second pairs of drivers are closer together than the second and third pair. This doesn't seem to happen with Pacifics. Mayflower is an LNER loco and yet we see the same thing on LMS class 5s (and BR 5MTs) and GWR Castle class 4-6-0s. Can anyone tell me why this seems to happen with 10-wheelers and not 4-6-2s?

Webbo

You got me there, but I see clearly what you mean now... which one is prototypical?

I think the irregular driver spacing on 4-6-0s is certainly prototypical. I was just curious as to why this seemed to happen frequently with this wheel arrangement.

Anyway, sorry about posting this question - I do not want to divert your thread. Perhaps, if anyone can provide some illumination on this subject, I would be grateful if they send me a PM.

Webbo
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Newportnobby on February 17, 2017, 08:31:24 PM
([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/48/4934-270117062101-480041661.jpeg[/url])



Your pic so reminded me of the Great Gathering of A4's at York which I attended on 3rd July 2013.
Present were:- Mallard, Bittern, Sir Nigel Gresley, Dwight D. Eisenhower, Union of South Africa and Dominion of Canada.
I've never seen the NRM so crowded!
Outside they had some ghastly blue thing running up and down the yard :sick2:
'Tornado'
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Innovationgame on February 18, 2017, 06:30:29 AM
Outside they had some ghastly blue thing running up and down the yard :sick2:
'Tornado'
It's a pity you're not keen on Tornado.  It was built by enthusiasm and is currently running a scheduled service on the the Settle and Carlisle.  Perhaps we need some more new build steam locomotives to run more scheduled services.  No diesel particulates there!
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on February 18, 2017, 07:11:54 AM
Continued with the wiring to the track I have laid so far and with the refinery sidings cleared after the A4 gathering, had a good "testing" session :)  (track is filthy though - need to fathom out the TOMIX japanese instructions)  - fixed all the self induced wiring shorts (misplaced IRJ's) and managed to create gaps where they need to be with the xurons' without needing to lift & relay

Added the circuit breaker for power district 3 that will supply the distillery boards and the remainder of the branch to Auchterarder

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/48/4934-270117062211-48011183.jpeg)

I am getting close to fitting the digitrax SEBX to the layout, I have been testing on DC so far (I have a lot of DCC loco's to fit chips to, so really need to set aside a day for that) - I plan to have a test loop tucked under the layout and will use the Zephyr on that.

As part of that, I will have a few plug in points around the layout - fitted the first one by the golf course

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/48/4934-270117062213-480122262.jpeg)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/48/4934-270117062224-48014953.jpeg)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/48/4934-270117062223-48013657.jpeg)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Innovationgame on February 18, 2017, 08:01:49 AM
I do like the neat look of the undersides of your boards.  Mine a quite a mess in comparison.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on February 18, 2017, 08:14:14 AM
Thanks Laurence, though I think you might change your view if you saw the van in it's entirety :)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Newportnobby on February 18, 2017, 09:17:44 AM
Outside they had some ghastly blue thing running up and down the yard :sick2:
'Tornado'

It's a pity you're not keen on Tornado.  It was built by enthusiasm and is currently running a scheduled service on the the Settle and Carlisle.  Perhaps we need some more new build steam locomotives to run more scheduled services.  No diesel particulates there!

@Innovationgame (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=3091)
I have nothing against 'Tornado' at all, Laurence, but do dislike intensely any steam loco in blue livery regardless of type/region. I also dislike diesels in blue apart from the Blue Pullman.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: port perran on February 18, 2017, 09:26:23 AM
 :NGaugersRule:
Outside they had some ghastly blue thing running up and down the yard :sick2:
'Tornado'

It's a pity you're not keen on Tornado.  It was built by enthusiasm and is currently running a scheduled service on the the Settle and Carlisle.  Perhaps we need some more new build steam locomotives to run more scheduled services.  No diesel particulates there!

@Innovationgame ([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=3091[/url])
I have nothing against 'Tornado' at all, Laurence, but do dislike intensely any steam loco in blue livery regardless of type/region. I also dislike diesels in blue apart from the Blue Pullman.

I agree with NN-blue just doent suit steam locomotives in my opinion.
As regards Tornado itself, I must be one of the only steam enthusiasts never to have seen it. However, it is coming to Cornwall in May
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on February 18, 2017, 10:40:24 AM
I have SNG & Mallard in Blue... but wouldn't add any more (though I just remembered I have City of Stoke on Trent currently at Wickness)

I haven't seen Tornado either and was gutted to see the Flying Scotsman & SNG have been to the Bo'Ness & Kinneil Rly in recent years and I missed those too.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on February 19, 2017, 06:15:18 AM
A bit more progress on the golf course, careful removal of the masking tape was easier said than done as the the edges had bonded with the PVA used to put the 1st stripe down

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/48/4934-270117062240-480151492.jpeg)

I took the same flock as I used for the 1st stripe (Gaugemaster spring mix) and added some darker flock through it, seen here heaped liberally onto the glue

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/48/4934-270117062248-480161296.jpeg)

Wih the excess removed, you can see the effect, the flock is a bit overscale now I see it down.... but I got the effect I was looking for, now need to just tidy up the lines a bit... was thinking that a dilute suitably coloured, PVA could be bled in, by capillery action to fill in some of the voids between the flock and make it look a bit smoother.... that will need to be done on a test patch 1st to see if it is viable

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/48/4934-150217130942-486512356.jpeg)

The view looking along the fairway in the other direction, I plan to use kiln dried sand in the bunkers, the monoblock laying variety

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/48/4934-150217130951-486521693.jpeg)

Couple more train movements (1000 "Mayflower") captured by the eye in the sky, Austin Spindler, they also show I have progressed the scenery towards the distillery and put a coat of raw umber down, which in itself is more pleasing on the eye than the bright white of the mod-rock/polyfilla.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/48/4934-150217130958-486531175.jpeg)

4F 3848 pulls the landship train over the gorge

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/48/4934-150217131018-486551529.jpeg)

Was quite liking the mood of the B&W ones :)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/48/4934-150217131002-48654352.jpeg)








Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Newportnobby on February 19, 2017, 09:30:35 AM
Do your locos run bunker first past the golf course, Andrew? :laugh:
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on February 19, 2017, 09:35:16 AM
 :smiley-laughing:

Only if the drivers FORE!man is on the footplate :D
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: port perran on February 19, 2017, 10:34:17 AM
 Scotland is the place to look out for plenty of Eagles  :D
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Innovationgame on February 19, 2017, 10:48:11 AM
Do your locos run bunker first past the golf course, Andrew? :laugh:
I suspect only the tank engines.  The others would find it a bit tender.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on February 19, 2017, 11:03:34 AM
some great birdies to be had too ... really a slice of something for everyone :)  even if it is a fairway to come for some folks :)

..... we could go on all day   :D

Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: cornish yorkie on February 19, 2017, 11:45:27 AM
 :hellosign: Many thanks for the latest  :greatpicturessign: & excellent updates
        regards Derek.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on February 19, 2017, 12:03:37 PM
Thanks Derek

One thing I will tackle next is to install the Cobalt digital point motors... what is the collective advice on whether to run a separate bus for these and other accessories or just drop them all onto the existing power bus?  There will be quite a lot of them once I get going, but I figure I will only be throwing them one at a time so the loading on the system should never be that high
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: port perran on February 19, 2017, 04:04:22 PM
The Great A4 Gathering Event nears its conclusion
A very subdued party of dignitaries and guests make their way on the final leg of the journey from Perthshire to Truro from where the  European guests will travel onwards towards their boat home.  Our two intrepid film stars again left the train in secret at St Agnes Halt.
We see a Manor (of Truro shed) taking the Port Perrann avoiding line as the party near journey's end on a rather damp and dismal day.The Headland Brewery building is in the background.  No doubt the travellers are nursing some sore heads :
(http://i653.photobucket.com/albums/uu257/martinscane/e36_zpsexjvedk8.jpg) (http://s653.photobucket.com/user/martinscane/media/e36_zpsexjvedk8.jpg.html)

The following photo (taken from the platform at Port Perran station) shows what a dreary day it was :
(http://i653.photobucket.com/albums/uu257/martinscane/e37_zpstujkmgyn.jpg) (http://s653.photobucket.com/user/martinscane/media/e37_zpstujkmgyn.jpg.html)
The 45xx rests on Port Perran's tiny shed (reminder - I need to reattach te filler bag to the water tower).

Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on February 19, 2017, 04:45:57 PM
Sore heads aplenty in Strathearn!  A special request has been made by the local taverns to the Headland Brewery for a repeat order of "Golden Eagle" - by popular demand!  Apparently the cheeky porters loading the empty barrels at Crieff for the return journey chalked on them "return full to Crieff"
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Innovationgame on February 19, 2017, 05:52:25 PM
Sore heads aplenty in Strathearn!  A special request has been made by the local taverns to the Headland Brewery for a repeat order of "Golden Eagle" - by popular demand!  Apparently the cheeky porters loading the empty barrels at Crieff for the return journey chalked on them "return full to Crieff"
Presumably, they will return as Heavy barrels.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Chris in Prague on February 19, 2017, 06:33:31 PM
The final dinner in the hotel in Birmingham, (where the return train from Perthshire to Cornwall, stopping at Templecombe to set-down their Somerset friends), stopped for the night, was a subdued occasion.

As Lord Trevelver said, the hospitality of the PRPS is, indeed legendary -- and the legends of what happened in Strathearn and its environs are already being told!

Everyone was most satisfied with the performance of the 'Green Dragon' (the footplate crew stating that the Somerset Best Steam Coal was well worth the expense) and the train's roster of crew members and the buffet car crews went home from Wadebridge more than satisfied with their tips (relief train crews were waiting at Wadebridge). Despite restocking, (courtesy of their departing Somerset friends), during the Templecombe stop for coal and water, both the train's buffet cars arrived at Wadebridge with all cupboards and shelves completely bare. The CCTs and guard's compartments were full only of empty barrels and crates of bottles in a similar condition.

Whilst the train's portions for North and South Cornwall were being prepared for departure at Wadebridge, crates of "Castle Estate" bottled spring water were loaded abroad and their contents distributed by the "Chelsea Girls" among the 'tired and emotional' passengers who accepted them most gratefully. The guests for France and Spain were taken on to Cant Cove to join the special Wagons Lit train stabled at Wadebridge the next evening to connect with the Night Ferry sailing. After the South Cornwall portion had left Wadebridge station to much waving and shouts of goodbye, that for Penmayne calling at Cant Cove, departed, too.

No-one had expected to see so many A4s gathered. Although Lady Penelope was heard to comment most unfavourably about their overall state of cleanliness, everyone else was highly impressed.

An Express Goods Van from the "Castle Estates" was ordered for addition to the overnight fast goods to Nine Elms thence for departure north to collect more malt whisky to toast the memories of the Great Gathering once everyone's heads had sufficiently cleared.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: port perran on February 19, 2017, 06:38:20 PM
Sore heads aplenty in Strathearn!  A special request has been made by the local taverns to the Headland Brewery for a repeat order of "Golden Eagle" - by popular demand!  Apparently the cheeky porters loading the empty barrels at Crieff for the return journey chalked on them "return full to Crieff"
Golden Eagle was a special " one off" brew from Headland but......the head brewer has agreed to make a regular brewing for distribution locally in Cornwall and for "export" to the Highlands. It is expected that deliveries to the North will commence in April.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on February 19, 2017, 07:04:51 PM
Not sure if this will work, putting links in directly, but this was on the BBC Scotland webpage this morning about the Glasgow Central Tours

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-39008682 (http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-39008682)

Paul is really the power behind it and it is his passion & commentary that makes it memorable
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Chris in Prague on February 19, 2017, 07:07:06 PM
Photos. of the 'Scottish Special', hauled by the 'Green Dragon', arriving and departing, are eagerly awaited.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Innovationgame on February 19, 2017, 07:11:43 PM
Not sure if this will work, putting links in directly, but this was on the BBC Scotland webpage this morning about the Glasgow Central Tours

[url]http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-39008682[/url] ([url]http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-39008682[/url])

Paul is really the power behind it and it is his passion & commentary that makes it memorable
The link works fine.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on February 19, 2017, 07:27:15 PM
there is a furious row currently playing out in Perthshire, with the local processing lab having mislaid the boxes of films that contained, amongst other things, the films taken while the green dragon arrived, many frantic phone calls are currently being placed to trace the whereabouts of the missing films.... locals have observed, that the person most agitated about the missing films is Jim Finch, but no-one can remember seeing him with a camera in his hand during the A4 gathering......  ???  The local gossips are having a field day with the possible reasons for that! 
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: port perran on February 19, 2017, 07:40:45 PM
I wonder what those reasons are?
Was Jim distracted by the charms of young Ellie McDonald perhaps.....?
Or......in anticipation of the forthcoming evening sampling Perthshire's finest malts washed down with a bottle (or three) of Headland's special Golden Eagle Ale.....was Jim starting the celebrations a little too early in the Purple Heather Arms?
The missing film is , nonetheless, causing much local consternation.
Hmmm.........
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Chris in Prague on February 19, 2017, 08:02:19 PM
With both Trevelver Castle's Head Butler and Chelsea wine merchant, Giles Roskrow (who had his new Leica camera with him), having bruised knuckles one morning but unwilling to give any explanation and Sofia having bruises around her left wrist but being similarly tight-lipped, speculation that Jim Finch was, somehow involved, was rife. Especially as he was seen with bruises on his face later the same morning . . . and had had to be taken home by taxi.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on February 19, 2017, 09:05:28 PM
Chief Crieff gossip, Effie Mcguire has been overheard several time using the word "compromising" as she narrates what she knows (and adds in the bits she doesn't) about why Jim Finch is so het up about a missing film ... her cronies eagerly drinking up her "facts" and "alternative truths" 
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Chris in Prague on February 19, 2017, 09:39:16 PM
At that breakfast, Sofia was sitting between the Head Butler and Giles. Giles was overheard to say, "don't worry, I got him on camera, Sofi; let's see him get out of this one! It's a good job the barmaid saw the two of you going outside . . . "
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: cornish yorkie on February 19, 2017, 10:12:05 PM
Not sure if this will work, putting links in directly, but this was on the BBC Scotland webpage this morning about the Glasgow Central Tours

[url]http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-39008682[/url] ([url]http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-39008682[/url])

Paul is really the power behind it and it is his passion & commentary that makes it memorable
The link works fine.

 :hellosign: Thanks for sharing Andrew, all quite fascinating. Also let`s hope Mr Finch get`s his cumupance very soon
     regards Derek.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on February 20, 2017, 06:03:58 AM
whilst tongues wag and rumours grow, life on the branch gets back to relative calm, here is the remainder of the landship train and maybe shows why the 4F was under a bit of strain on the gradient

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/48/4934-150217131018-48656211.jpeg)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/48/4934-150217131035-486571857.jpeg)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/48/4934-150217131036-486582475.jpeg)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/48/4934-150217131050-486592233.jpeg)

Thats a lot of gunpowder & cement.......

This cargo is under tight wraps, the War Department won't tank you for letting on what it is

Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Innovationgame on February 20, 2017, 07:02:55 AM
What sort of person is My Finch?  I expect he's a bit Green- after the revelry.  I hope there were no Haw-s involved, although there may have been some Gold- diggers.  I expect things are beginning to Chaff- a bit by now. :D
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Chris in Prague on February 20, 2017, 07:19:22 AM
After the 'Scottish Special' had safely arrived back in North Cornwall, Sylvia was able to discover just what happened that infamous evening between Sofia and Jim Finch, and Jim Finch, the Castle's Head Butler and Giles. As none of the participants came out of the incident very well and an excess of alcohol was involved Sylvia has promised to keep it quiet. However, Giles is still concerned about the strange disappearance of his film along with others (left at a Crieff local chemists for developing and printing). Chief Crieff gossip, Effie Mcguire, has hinted that Mr. Finch was unusually friendly with a shop assistant at the chemists.

Some years later, Sylvia alluded to certain events in Scotland when talking to Syd Barrett at a London party with members of the Pink Floyd.

Perhaps there was a reference to Mr. Finch in the lyrics that Syd wrote?

"Arnold Layne had a strange hobby
Collecting clothes
Moonshine washing line
They suit him fine
On the wall hung a tall mirror
Distorted view, see through baby blue
Oh, Arnold Layne
It's not the same, takes two to know
Two to know, two to know
Why can't you see?
Arnold Layne, Arnold Layne, Arnold Layne, Arnold Layne
Now he's caught, a nasty sort of person
They gave him time
Doors bang, chain gang, he hates it
Oh, Arnold Layne
It's not the same, takes two to know
Two to know, two to know
Why can't you see?
Arnold Layne, Arnold Layne, Arnold Layne, Arnold Layne
Don't do it again"
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Chris in Prague on February 20, 2017, 02:35:37 PM
For the record, the formation of the Penmayne portion of the 'Scottish Special' was: BR Lined Green BR Standard 5MT 4-6-0 (known as the 'Green Dragon'), BR SR Green CCT, then 5 X BR SR Green BR Standard coaches: SO, RMB, RFO, FK, and BCK. The shorter Truro portion was formed of 3 X BR Standard coaches: BR SR Green BCK, BR SR Green CK, and BR WR Chocolate & Cream RMB, followed by BR SR Green CCT. As the train may have to be divided for stabling and servicing, you can choose which part to photograph. 8-)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on February 20, 2017, 05:13:49 PM
Thanks Chris, once the missing films show up, I will post pictures of the train arriving in Perthshire (or Strathearn as I should more accurately say for this part of Perthshire)  :)

As the dust start to settle, some more pertinent details of the events on the night of the gathering are emerging (from very reliable sources), at the heart of which may be a simple mis-understanding by a concerned onlooker and a reputation that preceeded its owner.  Once these can be verified, I shall update the thread with what is known
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on February 21, 2017, 07:05:09 AM
I started to close the gaps on the approaches with some additional strips of walling that were in the kit.  need a little bit more work to blend them in & I will fit a bit on the hidden side so that the handrail is not sticking out.  The deer are still grazing :)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/48/4934-150217131108-48661968.jpeg)

The 4F 3848 pulls the landship train past the golf course

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/48/4934-150217131110-486621954.jpeg)

The circuit breaker for power district 3 added. I will in time fit a cover to these

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/48/4934-150217131126-486641615.jpeg)

And the tie in to the DCC bus bars

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/48/4934-150217131122-48663239.jpeg)

D9000 "Royal Scots Grey" picks up a bit of a mixed goods train of "nags & nips" you might say - the nips being at the front, 3 fully loaded shoc vans from the distillery to be delivered to North Cornwall & beyond

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/48/4934-150217131141-486651723.jpeg)

Some brewery freight being returned south partially stocked with products from Scotlands oldest distillery, Glenturret in Crieff, which had been a great favourite with the guests at the A4 gathering and along with the Tullibardine malts, they fuelled some very successful meetings with the BRB & the other assembled parties

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/48/4934-150217131141-486652311.jpeg)

Some empty stock being returned south for R&R (Refill & Return)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/48/4934-150217131157-4866732.jpeg)

And now the nags at the rear - the various racehourse trainers of Strahearn have combined their needs and have a train running south to take their horses to a variety of spring meetings in England - it just so happens that there was some "foreign" horsebox stock in Crieff that needed returned to the west country.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/48/4934-150217131158-48668901.jpeg)

As well as a gaurds van that was well behind enemy lines :)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/48/4934-150217131213-486691592.jpeg)

 
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Yet_Another on February 21, 2017, 01:22:56 PM
And the tie in to the DCC bus bars

([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/48/4934-150217131122-48663239.jpeg[/url])


Quick question: where did you get these from? I've been looking for something like that with little success.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on February 21, 2017, 01:41:52 PM
As was mentioned earlier in the week before it, Jim Finch was gutted that he would miss a large part of the A4 gathering celebrations on account of his prize flock of rare breed North Ronaldsay sheep being due to lamb, he was extremely nervous about this as his (already) small flock had been decimated the previous year due to copper poisoning in the lower field (Ted had neglected the drains).  This flock has its ancestry in the small flock that was removed from the Scottish island of the same name in 1974 and has been a labour of love for the farmer since he acquired them as offspring from the original flock that came to the mainland.  On the night in question, his 2 ewes both delivered sets of healthy twins and he was absolutely beside himself with joy, almost kissing the local vet, Euan Tupp.  The vet assured him that all was well and he should get himself off to celebrate, the vet offering to stay and keep an eye on things.

After a quick wash and scrub up, Jim Finch arrived at the gathering beaming from ear to ear, his arrival was noted suspiciously by Giles who was aware of Mr Finch’s fondness for the Chelsea Girls and his desperation to be accepted by them, so he kept an eye on his movements. Some time later and after a fair quantity of drink had been consumend,  He observed him talking excitedly to the local minister and Sofia.  He turned away and resumed his conversation with the barmaid, who moments later, suddenly looked wide eyed across the room, Giles turned to follow her gaze and saw Jim Finch grab Sofia by the wrist and pull her out of the hall towards the exit… That was all Giles needed to see and set off in hot pursuit.. he passed the head butler and thrust his Leica into his hands and shouted, get a picture of that, pointing to the reputation laden farmer fast disappearing with Sofia in tow… when he managed to catch up with them in the car park, he challenged the famer and said “where do you think you are going!”  to which the farmer replied, I have to show Sofia something in my barn …..  he didn’t wait to hear any more, laying Mr Finch out with a swift left, right that Henry Cooper would be proud of.

The minister has since explained that Jim had been talking excitedly about the new lambs, and Sofia had expressed an interest in them, having a soft spot for all baby animals and had not heard of this breed, in the heat of the moment and excitement of his news, he declared excitedly “let me show you, the vet is still up there, you’ll be perfectly safe!” and grabbed her arm before she could answer! 

Jim remembers a brief interaction with a tall gentleman before it all went black!  Waking up the next morning, he was feeling very groggy and after a "sheepish" breakfast, during which he received a lot of glowering looks…. He decided a sharp exit was required, stopping at the chemists in Crieff to drop off the film of his new lambs.  He unexpectedly came across his niece who was behind the counter and she comforted him when she saw his wounds.  As his niece didn’t normally work in that shop (she normally worked for the same pharmacy in Oban), her face was unknown to the other women in the shop, who gleefully soaked up the scene unfolding in front of them of a pretty young woman fawning over the roguish farmer and taking mental notes so that they could pass on all the salient details to Effie McGuire.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on February 21, 2017, 01:59:53 PM
Hi Tony, I got them from a caravan parts supplier - here is the current link to ebay

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/8-Way-Connector-Neutral-Terminal-F-230v-400v-Busbar-RCD-MCB-Boat-Caravan-Car-Amp-/332132113406? (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/8-Way-Connector-Neutral-Terminal-F-230v-400v-Busbar-RCD-MCB-Boat-Caravan-Car-Amp-/332132113406?)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Yet_Another on February 21, 2017, 02:27:35 PM
Hi Tony, I got them from a caravan parts supplier - here is the current link to ebay

[url]http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/8-Way-Connector-Neutral-Terminal-F-230v-400v-Busbar-RCD-MCB-Boat-Caravan-Car-Amp-/332132113406?[/url] ([url]http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/8-Way-Connector-Neutral-Terminal-F-230v-400v-Busbar-RCD-MCB-Boat-Caravan-Car-Amp-/332132113406?[/url])


Ahh, thanks for that! I might have known - seems caravan parts of various descriptions are useful in layout building. I've already stocked up on blue caravan insulation foam for my scenery.
 :thankyousign:
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Mito on February 21, 2017, 09:00:19 PM
What a lovely twist to the story. The scenery is coming along too. I like it.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: port perran on February 21, 2017, 09:07:30 PM
Are we going to see some of those North Ronaldsay sheep on your layout?
Hopefully, they will steer clear of the golf course.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Chris in Prague on February 21, 2017, 09:10:45 PM
Sylvia was able to fill in a few of the missing details from the three members of her group. All three were a little 'sheepish' the morning after! The missing details will be supplied in due course.

Unfortunately, Mr. Finch's reputation (and previous behaviour) was too well known for his own good and everyone involved had consumed rather more alcohol than was good for them, even Sofia who, complaining of being cold, was plied with Whisky Macs (on the advice of the solicitous barmaid). There remains the mystery of the missing film(s) but there may well be an explanation for that, too, coming, via Sylvia.

I agree, the scenery is coming along very well indeed, Andrew.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Chris in Prague on February 21, 2017, 10:20:31 PM
The missing details

On the long train journey back to North Cornwall, as well as the evening spent in the excellent Birmingham hotel where they all broke their journey South, by talking alone with each of her friends, Sylvia, was able to fill in a few of the missing details.

Mr. Finch had arrived uncharacteristically (in the “Chelsea Girls” experience) late that evening. Thinking that he would not be arriving the “Girls” had rather ‘let down their guard’ and seeing that the worthy local minister from the ‘Wee Kirk' was regaling their Spanish friend with tales from local folklore, they had decided to go up early to wash their hair, handwash some clothes, and enjoy a good sleep in a comfortable bed after the long journey.

Meanwhile Trevelver Castle’s Head Butler and Giles were engaged in earnest conversation with some of the regulars over the respective merits of various malt whiskies and whether or not any water should be added to bring out the aroma and, if so, how much. Naturally, this involved much animated discussion and much recourse to sampling. Giles, in the interest of knowing what to buy for distribution, was trying to keep tasting notes but was finding his ability to write legibly was decreasing worryingly fast.

Lord and Lady Trevelver and their close friends had been invited to dinner with a very good friend from Lord Trevelver's Army days, the local laird, whose excellent grouse moors were justly renowned for their fine shooting.

Suddenly, the two friends heard the bar door bang open and saw none other than Jim Finch burst in looking rather excited. As the Head Butler had his back to Mr. Finch, Giles agreed to keep an eye out for him after checking that Sofia was still enjoying the local minister’s increasingly tall tales for which he was delighted to have found a new audience and a most attentive and attractive one at that! Jim Finch then sat next to the minister, opposite Sofia and tried to join in the conversation but without much success as the clergyman was in full flow and had a deep and powerful voice. Deciding that discretion was the better part of valour, Giles, made his excuses and, carefully, sat on a bar stool and asked for a large glass of water from the amused barmaid who he, rather ineffectively, tried to engage in conversation whilst keeping Jim in view from the corner of his right eye.

There only remains a few minor details to add. Sofia’s skin naturally bruises easily. There was rather less gravel and rather more mud in the car park than might have been expected and, suddenly feeling the rather the worse for wear, the Spanish girl had begun to slip and fall, resulting in Jim grabbing even more tightly her wrist in an effort to steady her. The car park lighting also left much to be desired. Unfortunately, in trying to steady, Sofia, they both slipped and fell with the unfortunate result that, as his eyes adjusted to the dark, Giles saw Jim lying on top of Sofia as they both struggled to their unsteady feet. As Giles ran towards them, he heard his friend who had been running up behind them, suddenly stop and there was a bright flash from the camera as several most incriminating pictures were swiftly taken.

Both men then heard what sounded like a very improper suggestion being made by Jim to Sofia whose left arm was still grabbed in his strong right hand. Being closer, Giles was the one who landed the knockout punch before slipping and almost falling himself. Jim was flat out on the ground and Sofia was swaying next to him. Having pocketed Giles’s Leica, the Head Butler and Giles tried to raise Jim and lean him against one of the granite gate posts. As both were still wearing their smart leather shoes and not their walking boots, they kept slipping on the wet ground and the Head Butler badly grazed one of his hands on the pillar before they, finally, got Jim up right.

Whilst, expertly, the Head Butler checked for signs of any serious injury, Giles helped Sofia back inside the inn and asked the barmaid to call for a taxi before immediately escorting the Spanish girl to her bedroom. After ensuring that there was a large jug of water and a glass on her bedside table, and calling in Sylvia to help her friend get undressed and cleaned up after a brief explanation, Giles quickly left for his room, changed into his pyjamas and bathrobe and went for a quick, hot bath.

After finally placing the still semi-conscious Jim, carefully, into the back seat of the taxi (a not uncommon occurrence for the local taxi man) and telling the driver to be sure that his passenger gave a generous tip, the Head Butler returned to the inn and, avoiding the very curious crowd in the bar by means of the backstairs, also retired to his room to change before walking down the dimly lit corridor to the second of the floor’s two bathrooms to clean up and dress his injured hand.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on February 22, 2017, 06:26:01 AM
One of the Class 37's (37887) in Petroleum sector livery (I also have 37707 & 37428 in the same livery) that is normally on refinery duties takes charge of a rake of 10 x 7 plank wagons

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/48/4934-150217131216-48670432.jpeg)

I just need a few more of these ones to make some movie titles!

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/48/4934-150217131230-486711208.jpeg)

I decided this year I need to complete the projects I start!  So I pushed on with the gas tanks

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/48/4934-150217131233-48672145.jpeg)

I have added some retaining straps & lettering and weathering, next challenge is some piping on the ends & some couplings/underframe touch up

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/48/4934-150217131247-486732002.jpeg)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/48/4934-150217131247-48674232.jpeg)

And finally (as I start my 2 day journey home this evening) a shot of Austin Spindlers balloon, complete with basket, I have not thought about how I will use it (suspended or just as a scene on the ground)... but it was fun to do

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/48/4934-150217131303-486751745.jpeg)

OK... one last one that was in the album, D2264 moves a short chemical train through Tullibardine (please forgive the mish mash of liveries and era's - I will plead rule 1 and Preservation) :)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/48/4934-150217131304-486761500.jpeg)


Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Newportnobby on February 22, 2017, 03:36:38 PM
One of the Class 37's (37887) in Petroleum sector livery (I also have 37707 & 37428 in the same livery) that is normally on refinery duties takes charge of a rake of 10 x 7 plank wagons

([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/48/4934-150217131216-48670432.jpeg[/url])

I just need a few more of these ones to make some movie titles!



At least it makes an Ocean colour scene ;D
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on February 22, 2017, 05:14:31 PM
 :laughabovepost:
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: cornish yorkie on February 22, 2017, 08:00:43 PM
 :hellosign: Many thanks for the latest   :greatpicturessign: Andrew, the scenery is coming along nicely.
    A very interesting conclusion (thanks Chris), to the missing films story, so Jim Finch is not all bad- just excitable & unfortunate in his choice of words
       regards Derek.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Innovationgame on February 22, 2017, 08:23:09 PM
Baron and Lady Tiverton are very glad that they managed to keep a low profile during all the celebrations.  They greatly enjoyed seeing all the A4s, but otherwise kept their own council with an early to bed and early to rise policy.  However, they did enjoy the journey and the stop-over in Birmingham, although they were greatly relieved to arrive at back Stratford-upon-Avon where they were met by their trusty chauffeur.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Chris in Prague on February 24, 2017, 09:37:24 PM
Baron and Lady Tiverton are very glad that they managed to keep a low profile during all the celebrations.  They greatly enjoyed seeing all the A4s, but otherwise kept their own council with an early to bed and early to rise policy.  However, they did enjoy the journey and the stop-over in Birmingham, although they were greatly relieved to arrive at back Stratford-upon-Avon where they were met by their trusty chauffeur.

Baron and Lady Tiverton being good friends of Lord and Lady Trevelver were also invited to dinner at the local Laird's Castle so were not witness to the notorious events of that evening. Inevitably though, they did hear at least part of it. Birmingham Knotmore Street's stationmaster personally inspected the connecting train before departure and saw it off on its way to Stratford-upon-Avon.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on March 24, 2017, 07:14:57 AM
Sighs of relief were heard up and down the length of Crieff when the processing lab finally found the missing box of films... some of the signs of relief were louder than others!

This means, the photo's of the Green Dragon arriving in Perthshire are now to hand - however I am having a challenge with uploading all the photos I have, so I will post some scenic progress

Besides the main branch line serving the distillery, refinery & Muthill. there are 2 other lines that cross the gorge, the history of which will be subject to future posts, I have started to push on with progressing the rest of the gorge

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/49/4934-230317133524-49949829.jpeg)

On one side, the side of the gorge has been supported by stone walling due to previous bridge collapses during floods

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/49/4934-230317133543-499701932.jpeg)

The other side makes use of a rock structure (a painted piece of cork kindly donated by Chis in Prague), along with some additional stone walling

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/49/4934-230317133625-499742043.jpeg)

So this is how it looks currently

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/49/4934-230317133626-499751306.jpeg)

A bit of news on rolling stock now, though this first image of a new PO wagon may cause drowsiness :)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/49/4934-230317133546-49971364.jpeg)

The PRPS continues with it's work to recreate the iconic Edinburgh-Glasgow Push Pull service, the two specially adapted class 27's are in service and are shown here with the newly outshopped BSO, the four Mk11A TSO's are close behind, with only the FK to be delivered

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/49/4934-230317133608-499732446.jpeg)

And lastly, wiring progressed, with the addition of another of the Power District circuit breakers - Power District 4 will be the fiddle yard adjacent to the refinery

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/49/4934-230317133644-499761118.jpeg)





Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: keithbythe sea on March 24, 2017, 05:48:27 PM
Good to see you back Andrew. Looking even more gorgeous (the layout that is).  :D
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on March 24, 2017, 06:47:42 PM
aha... I see what you did there ;)

Thanks Keith, good to be back, even if that does means I am now back at work and the layout is a long, long way away at the moment!
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Chris in Prague on March 24, 2017, 06:59:02 PM
Thanks for the photos., Andrew. Good to see the updates, again. I'm looking forward to seeing the photos. of the special behind 'The Green Dragon'. I'm glad that the unwanted cork piece came in useful. I look forward to seeing the full push-pull rake with the Class 27s in due course.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on March 24, 2017, 07:44:24 PM
Thanks Chris, only hope I managed to recreate it properly!  I know 2 of the 5 coaches are right, but am out on a limb with the other 3 :)  you know how ropey I am at identifying coaching stock :)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Chris in Prague on March 24, 2017, 09:52:07 PM
Thanks Chris, only hope I managed to recreate it properly!  I know 2 of the 5 coaches are right, but am out on a limb with the other 3 :)  you know how ropey I am at identifying coaching stock :)

I may be able to help you with that, Andrew.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on March 25, 2017, 07:24:05 AM
After some sterling antipodean help (thanks George), I can now post the pictures taken of the Green Dragon special arriving into Perthshire (with fingers crossed that the train consist is correct)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/50/4934-250317055543-50188100.jpeg)

The RMB after the SO

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/50/4934-250317055603-501891738.jpeg)

FK & BCK bringing up the rear

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/50/4934-250317055628-501901330.jpeg)

An RFO in the middle

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/50/4934-250317055651-50191484.jpeg)

A look back along the train as it sits a Tullibardine to allow the special guests an opportunity to stretch legs and visit the distillery

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/50/4934-250317055712-50192583.jpeg)

While the passengers are off the train, the Green Dragon takes the opportunity to take on water

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/50/4934-250317055731-501931506.jpeg)

I have had a renewed mojo so I started to tackle the trackbeds for the branch beyond the distillery and the mainline at this end of the board.  From the Anyrail plan, you can see Loch Osc (fictional) & its dam, which will be a challenge to model :)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/49/4934-230317133646-49977239.jpeg)

Unfortunately. I had to remove the Graham Farish display cabinet as it was just too tight to get past to work on the distillery corner

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/49/4934-230317133659-499781105.jpeg)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Chris in Prague on March 25, 2017, 08:39:21 AM
Thank you for these excellent photos., Andrew. The formation of the train looks fine. (In any case, it was remarshalled at Birmingham for its overnight stay and morning departure.) The BR SR Green SR CCT would have been removed prior to arrival at Tullibardine for the loading and reloading of its contents at the distillery.

Glad to see that you've started to tackle the trackbeds for the branch beyond the distillery and the mainline. The loch and its dam will be a very attractive scenic feature once complete.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on March 26, 2017, 07:16:51 AM
With the retaining walls in place, I was able to press on with doing the upper half of the gorge river/riverbed - the challenge being to try and match it to the lower half!  1st step was to put the base coat of raw umber down (I really should complain to the operations manager about that class 37 that has been parked on the bridge for some time now!)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/49/4934-230317133708-499792474.jpeg)

While I had the base coat out, I covered over the plaster between the refinery headshunt & branch line

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/49/4934-230317133721-499802211.jpeg)

With my trusty (& cheap) set of acrylics, I set about putting down some base colour for the water, with a few flashings of white to show some movement/turbulence, maybe a bit to "Seychelles" in colour!

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/49/4934-230317133730-49981895.jpeg)

I also did the same to the small culvert near the golf course - needs to be a bit more murky in colour (seem to have a bit of a traffic jam on the branch line)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/49/4934-230317133741-499822340.jpeg)

With the paint down, I added the gravel/rocks to show the spate riverbed

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/49/4934-230317133752-499832046.jpeg)

Some cleaned up gravel from the garden dropped in for good measure to show bigger boulders

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/49/4934-230317133801-499841323.jpeg)

Hoover up the excess to reveal what has remained stuck down (thankfully some!)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/49/4934-230317133813-49985938.jpeg)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/49/4934-230317133833-49987975.jpeg)

Added a few boulders to the gorge

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/49/4934-230317133825-499862156.jpeg)

Next step will be to add the layers of Busch Modellwasser.



Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Innovationgame on March 26, 2017, 07:39:56 AM
Brilliant pictures and really good modelling!
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Newportnobby on March 26, 2017, 09:41:55 AM
Nice work, Andrew. I think when the bushes/trees have 'grown' all will really come together.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Chris in Prague on March 26, 2017, 11:24:14 AM
Thanks for the update, Andrew. Your work on the streams is very useful as I have several still to complete at either end of the Cant Cove layout. I'm particularly interested to see how the Busch Modellwasser works out as I'm also planning to use that. (I can buy it locally, I think. If not, mail order from Germany is not a problem, unlike from the UK).

I noticed a very nice SR livery SR 'Pillbox' brake van with a pair of GWR livery horseboxes, maybe, gifts from the CLPG and GWS? 8-) (I have one of each so a photo. of their departure could be taken.)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: port perran on March 26, 2017, 04:36:58 PM
Looking really good Andrew.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on March 26, 2017, 04:57:29 PM
Nice work, Andrew. I think when the bushes/trees have 'grown' all will really come together.

Thanks Mick, once I get the gorge completed & ready to fit the trackbed, I will plant a few more trees, including the one that always seems to manage to take root in the mortar of a bridge!  Always frustrates me when I plant a fruit tree in great soil, feed it, water it and nurture it only for it stay the same size as it was planted for years, yet these beggars seem to flourish in the cracks between a wall! 
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on March 26, 2017, 05:20:08 PM
And now the nags at the rear - the various racehourse trainers of Strahearn have combined their needs and have a train running south to take their horses to a variety of spring meetings in England - it just so happens that there was some "foreign" horsebox stock in Crieff that needed returned to the west country.

([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/48/4934-150217131158-48668901.jpeg[/url])

As well as a gaurds van that was well behind enemy lines :)

([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/48/4934-150217131213-486691592.jpeg[/url])


Thanks Chris, This was how I explained the GWR horseboxes, but didn't really have an explanation for the Guards van :)

I have a couple of water products to try, have already used the Busch one, looks good, though I probably add more layers in future as one on it's own is not very visible, but that was the effect I was kind of looking for, to show one of the many rivers and tributaries starved of water due to hydro schemes... the other product is Making Waves, Deluxe products
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on March 27, 2017, 07:16:34 AM
Having laid out the anyrail plots, I realised the board I cut previously was a not sized correctly, fortunately I bought a lot of 4mm ply!

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/49/4934-230317133842-49988762.jpeg)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/49/4934-230317133851-499891054.jpeg)

Then it was a case of best efforts to mark up where the track beds needed to be

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/49/4934-230317133859-49990492.jpeg)

1st application of the Modellwasser on the gorge

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/49/4934-230317133911-49991105.jpeg)

and then the culvert outflow

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/49/4934-230317133919-499921900.jpeg)

Once it dries it looks like this (I was not too successful at matching the earlier bit I did, but once I add a few trees, get the remaining two bridges in, hopefully it won't be too noticeable)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/49/4934-230317133935-49993148.jpeg)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/49/4934-230317133939-49994116.jpeg)

Not so obvious in the pics, but it looks pretty good to the naked eye and it needs 2-3 layers to build up a really nice effect (and this was just the 1st layer
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on March 28, 2017, 07:14:57 AM
I bit the bullet and decided to build and add the last baseboard frame - knowing it would take away a fair bit of space, but is how I decided to use the space in the van (to the max) so thought I should see whether I could live with that or not (the clearance up the side & end are already a bit tight, but that will be my motivation not to put on weight!

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/49/4934-230317134005-499961196.jpeg)

what have I done!

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/49/4934-230317134001-499951244.jpeg)

The pic below will hopefully show the overall effect and a better impression of how the mainline will run - Gleneagles on the right, and this is where the branch will come in - have a notion to sometimes go back in time, have the mainline & branch running in the steam days (Grouping & BR) but also showing it as the PRPS, operating between Auchterarder - Muthill in the '80's and have the mainline running in Blue, Blue/Grey, Intercity liveries.. and then a bit closer to the current day, so that the PRPS can run all the loco's and liveries under the sun!  :)

The blue dotted circle was just to help me in planning, represents where I will have the test track for running in, programming etc.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/49/4934-230317134021-49997938.jpeg)

Excess trimmed off the boards so I can see what I am working with

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/49/4934-230317134025-49998816.jpeg)

Started to prep the girder bridge sections that will span the gorge, livery will be an approximation of what I understand the CR colour schemes were

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/49/4934-230317134039-499991165.jpeg)

There is definitely an art to transferring Anyplan's to baseboards that I need to get better at

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/50/4934-230317134047-500002091.jpeg)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Webbo on March 28, 2017, 07:29:58 AM
Looks like terrific progress, Andrew

A couple of points of clarification needed for me. The test oval is sitting on top of your oil field. Will this be at another level?

I take it that your oil field is quite different from your oil refinery area which I'm assuming is round to the left off picture?

Do you have a track plan that encapsulates all of this that you can post for us? This is turning into a mighty good looking layout.

Webbo
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on March 28, 2017, 09:22:03 AM
Thanks Webbo, That's correct, the test track will be on a pull out board below the mainline/oil field (though what looked like a lot of space between the two boards on Anyrail, is not quite the case in real life!).  You are correct, in the picture shown, the refinery is behind me.  I wanted to do a separate oil field as I have a couple of Faller nodding donkeys (one motorised) that I wanted to incorporate as well as giving another slightly different thing to model... though the mineral that Perthshire is richer in is gold rather than oil sadly!  It also gave a reason for the refinery being where it is :)  (the original refinery in Grangemouth sprang up from the abundance of oil bearing shale in the area)

This is the final track plan I am working to, though it will evolve as I start to lay it

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/42/4934-120816093901-42786656.jpeg)

Cheers,
Andrew
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Steamie+ on March 29, 2017, 02:35:02 AM
Thats a pretty awesome track plan Andrew, i can see the space between the boards is going to be really tight, not a lot of room for (Yorkshire pudding or even spotted dick) lol. Seriously though, i am looking forward to more of your layout in the months to come, or will it be weeks.     :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Innovationgame on March 29, 2017, 06:36:30 AM
It certainly does look like a tight squeeze to get into the middle.  But the plan looks well worth it and I hope to see the results develop over the next few months.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on March 29, 2017, 07:11:20 AM
Thanks Rod, depending on the level of exercise I manage to do when I am home (and how fast the wine "cellar" (or should that be seller) gets drained) it can get a bit tight to manoeuvre around!  The middle is actually not too bad Laurence, it is the top left corner that is a sideways shuffle to get too!

Made some more progress on the baseboards, bit the bullet and got the jigsaw out to cut the curves I will need

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/50/4934-230317134058-500012279.jpeg)

I have quite a few elevation changes to manage - it was all so easy in Anyrail!

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/50/4934-230317134107-50002111.jpeg)

This gives an idea of how the bottom end will look in terms of elevation changes

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/50/4934-230317134118-500031501.jpeg)

Stone colour applied to the girder bridge panel, going to take a few more coats!

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/50/4934-230317134128-500042343.jpeg)

With all the bits roughly in place, but not at the right elevations

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/50/4934-230317134138-500051461.jpeg)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/50/4934-230317134147-50006380.jpeg)

27008 sits with the Mk2a BSO and 27203 - the 4 Mk2a TSO's are expected imminently

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/50/4934-230317134202-50007986.jpeg)

Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Steamie+ on March 29, 2017, 07:32:39 AM
Looks even better Andrew, see you have hit the wine glass already, or is that a model for a water tower lol  :laugh3: :laugh3: :laugh3:
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on March 29, 2017, 08:11:52 AM
 :beers: indeed - I find my modelling dilemma's & decisions get easier after a glass or 3 :)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Chris in Prague on March 29, 2017, 10:34:14 AM
Very impressive progress, Andrew. The scenery is the fun part for me.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: keithbythe sea on March 29, 2017, 10:44:16 AM
Looking good Andrew. Pinot Grigio? :wave:
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: port perran on March 29, 2017, 06:47:41 PM
Great stuff.
I very much enjoy seeing the scenic side of things develop.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on March 30, 2017, 07:18:33 AM
Just a straightforward vino collapse Keith :)  I like a wine that is free from deceit or pretence, so I always choose a nice French sincere  when I can  :D

Key to getting the branch beyond the distillery laid was to get the distillery board fixed down and level - this bit is directly above the heater, so the ply has behaved a bit differently to elsewhere on the layout

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/50/4934-230317134206-500082377.jpeg)

With the distillery board in place, I was then able to put the branchline track bed in place (with what ever heavy bits were to hand)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/50/4934-230317134221-500092201.jpeg)

I started to get into a rhythm I haven't had for a while, a few different jobs ongoing at the same time, so while the glue was drying, I went back to the gorge and started adding some flock to the sides

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/50/4934-230317134227-500101024.jpeg)

Austin Spindler in his hot air balloon just happened to go overhead at this point - I have added some points of different coloured flock, just to add a bit of variety to the scene

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/50/4934-230317134244-500111174.jpeg)

I am pretty pleased with how the gorge is coming along - a few modified, cheap Chinese tree's ready for planting

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/50/4934-230317134251-500121517.jpeg)

While I was gorging myself on scenic work, the distillery board was ready to receive some track, 1st the holding sidings and points for the runaround loop

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/50/4934-230317134306-50013100.jpeg)




Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Innovationgame on March 30, 2017, 08:00:01 AM
That looks like steady progress to me.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Mito on March 30, 2017, 08:54:58 PM
Just a straightforward vino collapse Keith :)  I like a wine that is free from deceit or pretence, so I always choose a nice French sincere  when I can  :D

Coming along in leaps and bounds and looking great. :thumbsup:
A good Spanish wine could help you even more but the Spanish keep the best for themselves. :) :beers:
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on March 30, 2017, 09:16:08 PM
thanks Brian, yes, I do believe I could get myself into trouble with a nice Spanish wine too :)  am a fan of a good Rioja :)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Mito on March 30, 2017, 10:03:22 PM
Somebody told me that if every square metre of La Rioja was planted with vines, the wine produced would not cover the amount sold as Rioja wine. There is a lot of "blending" done!
If you can find them try wines from Galicia. Duero and Toro are my favorites. The difference is similar to Beaujolais and Burgundy, Galician wines being lighter. My evening meal is not complete without a couple of (large) glasses of wine. :pint:  A slightly smaller glass, but not much :D
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Webbo on March 31, 2017, 12:11:51 AM
I just had a look at what Google has to say about Rioja wine as I don't know anything about it. The Rioja region is tiny. I'll have to look out for a bottle from there to try it out.

Unfortunately, because Australia has such a large wine industry of its own, we really don't get the selection of foreign wines that you would in the UK. I'm quite (very) partial to reds and I like to try the different styles available from other parts of the world.

Webbo
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on March 31, 2017, 07:00:21 AM
What a wonderful way to go off topic :)  I hadn't appreciated that about the Rioja region was so small.  I am very partial to the wines of NZ & Australia.... then there is South Africa... its a past time almost as diverse & expensive as N Gauge!

One of the limitations I am coming up against now on my layout is that having maximised the track plan, I am pretty close to the backboard at a couple of stations - haven't worked out what to do at Muthill yet (where the problem is most acute), but at Tullibardine, it is only the two goods sidings that are affected...... so I started work on the goods shed, but it is going to have to be low relief - this is the Peco one with it's base cut down to size

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/50/4934-230317134310-500141378.jpeg)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/50/4934-230317134330-50015749.jpeg)

I was trying to use the magnetic corners I have, had to use the offcut to keep the gap correct

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/50/4934-230317134331-50016264.jpeg)

This is the base shell I ended up with (please tell me if the "step by steps" are not interesting & you rather just see the end result!)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/50/4934-230317134351-500181513.jpeg)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/50/4934-230317134408-50019411.jpeg)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/50/4934-230317134409-5002056.jpeg)

As you can see, the new baseboard has quickly become a workbench!
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Innovationgame on March 31, 2017, 07:34:18 AM
As you can see, the new baseboard has quickly become a workbench!
Don't they always!
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Steamie+ on March 31, 2017, 08:28:41 AM
Please keep on doing the step by step Andrew, i think most of us would like to know how things are made, unfortunately not everyone does this, so it is left to being explained in detail how to do it, i think a photo and a few words can tell people more don’t you.   

But sometimes i have forgotten to post photos or i have posted photos and not said what i have done.  Double  :doh:
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Webbo on March 31, 2017, 08:30:59 AM
I'm also partial to the flavour of South African reds and Chilean wines are worth a good look as well.

As for cluttering up vacant boards with stuff, I'm a master at that. As I build my layout, I realised that this can't go on so I invested in a whole lot of shelving. This seems to be keeping my problem at bay at least for the time being.

And, I fully support Steamie's comment. 

Webbo
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Newportnobby on March 31, 2017, 11:32:49 AM
How are you getting on with the magnetic corners, Andrew?
I have a set from York Modelmaking and they will be put to use soon.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on March 31, 2017, 02:04:51 PM
They work well when you are building a full kit, I have found them less than useful when there is half a wall missing, as you will see in the coming days & weeks... there has been a lot of kit chopping going on.  I keep forgetting that you can use them to assemble the parts dry... get them square, then add the glue in behind.... I keep gluing up the corners and then trying to hold them together while fitting the magnetic corners  :doh:
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Newportnobby on March 31, 2017, 03:12:08 PM
That's the first tip for using them.  :thankyousign:
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Mito on March 31, 2017, 08:45:40 PM
The problem with wine tasting is that eventually you forget where the wines came from except that they were on the table. :confused2:
I like to see step by step photos to see how other modelers do things and can I learn from them.
For corners I bought a length of aluminum angle. It must be used on the inside of the corner as the inside angle is slightly rounded. I've yet to cut some of the angle out to make it easier to glue.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Innovationgame on April 01, 2017, 06:47:02 AM
They work well when you are building a full kit, I have found them less than useful when there is half a wall missing, as you will see in the coming days & weeks... there has been a lot of kit chopping going on.  I keep forgetting that you can use them to assemble the parts dry... get them square, then add the glue in behind.... I keep gluing up the corners and then trying to hold them together while fitting the magnetic corners  :doh:
I must get some.  They look very useful. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on April 01, 2017, 07:06:10 AM
You can't beat a table wine with good legs :)

Pressing on with the track to the distillery now, slowly but surely - cork underlay for the two holding sidings down

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/50/4934-230317134429-500212257.jpeg)

One thing I have liked about the layouts on the forum is the pictures of trains at stations, any of which my layout is still sadly lacking, so I started trying to address that at Tullibardine, it won't be a very long platform, more a halt - tried using some card to get the curve I need

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/50/4934-230317134439-500222229.jpeg)

Once I had done the culvert outflow, I wondered "where would the water be coming from?" - so I started to put something on the other side - it meant digging a hole in the plaster to create a flow path, I am hoping that won't look too odd

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/50/4934-230317134455-50023942.jpeg)

Its not very obvious in the 1st pic, but where I had outcrops of brown & the flock has not stuck, I picked them out in a stoney grey to reflect a bit geology

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/50/4934-230317134532-5002616.jpeg)

Some more rock work attempts and I notice the culvert is in need of a bit of attention, the paint has not taken too well

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/50/4934-230317134519-50025274.jpeg)

Planted some more trees in the gorge, the bridge maintenance team are going to have their work cut out on that troublesome one that has taken root in the mortar

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/50/4934-230317134542-50027602.jpeg)



Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: port perran on April 01, 2017, 07:25:44 AM
Looking very good.
It'll be good to see a station on the layout Andrew.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on April 01, 2017, 07:28:04 AM
Trying out an old bean bag camera support I had... makes for better sharpness close up :)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/50/4934-230317134507-50024535.jpeg)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Bealman on April 01, 2017, 07:30:07 AM
That bridge scene is looking good.

Can I ask what ground cover you are using, please?
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Steamie+ on April 01, 2017, 07:46:27 AM
That’s an excellent job on the cut out for the stream Andrew, i think it looks brilliant and adds to the effect of excess water from the mountains.    :thumbsup: :thumbsup:


Happy Modelling Andrew.     :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Innovationgame on April 01, 2017, 07:59:18 AM
Really good pictures and the detail is coming along superbly.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on April 01, 2017, 08:53:48 AM
Thanks for the kind comments folks

George, the scatter I am using here is Gaugemaster (moorland or something similar) .. I have a jar of blend developing too, just to add a bit of variety.   
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Mito on April 01, 2017, 09:43:38 PM
Looking very good indeed.  :thumbsup:  The tree is certainly going to cause problems, though a nice bit of firewood for someone!

"You can't beat a table wine with good legs"    I think now wine just beats good legs. A few years ago possibly not. :D
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on April 02, 2017, 07:09:45 AM
I added some extra scatter (was trying Co-op extra firm hairspray) to the trees' to try and break up the same-e-ness of them from the rest of the batch

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/50/4934-230317134610-50029684.jpeg)

Having fixed down the trackbed, was time to put the underlay down... I had a box of the black foam Woodland Scenic's underlay lying around, I had avoided using it up until now as it didn't take to curves very well (until I read the instructions and realised that you are meant to cut it in half (lengthwise  :doh: ) to do tight curves, then marry them up insitu again) - working ok so far

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/50/4934-230317134551-50028851.jpeg)

Did a bit more work on the small river and its surroundings to build up the layers of colours and rocky outcrops

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/50/4934-230317134614-500301529.jpeg)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/50/4934-230317134640-50031918.jpeg)

Added some of the grey ballast stones to the upper part of the river, tried painting over the brown backscene cover too and also tried applying some of the very fine noch scatter to the golf course to make it look a bit smoother

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/50/4934-230317134644-500322035.jpeg)

Finally the distillery approach is ready to be laid

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/50/4934-230317134702-500331724.jpeg)

Blackford Petroleum & East of Scotland & Strathearn Oil have taken advantage of their joint buying power to place an order for two new locomotives

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/50/4934-020417070338-505312436.jpeg)

Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on April 02, 2017, 07:20:50 AM
Primer applied to the goods shed - will continue with the CR colours for the painting scheme

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/50/4934-250317080750-502052333.jpeg)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Steamie+ on April 02, 2017, 08:20:50 AM
I have used the WS underlay Andrew and it’s brilliant stuff isn’t it.   :thumbsup:

The river looks great.    smilies are playing up again.   thumbsup.  lol  :)

The Golf course is excellent.       :thumbs:

And the Hunslets will be brilliant on your layout.    :thumbs:  smilies are still playing up again.  thumbsup.  lol  :)


I must remember to order one of the Hunslets for my Coal Distribution yard, trouble is i am not to sure which one to get.       :beers:
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Chris in Prague on April 02, 2017, 08:25:54 AM
Thanks for the latest updates, Andrew. Please, do keep them coming. The scenery is coming along very well, now. The two Hunslet diesel shunters will certainly be kept busy with all your tank wagons.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on April 02, 2017, 08:54:08 AM
Thanks Rod, with my affinity for Dundee United, I was tempted to go for one of the orange & black liveries (this affinity has already influenced the livery of the Tullibardine grain wagons) but I thought that was taking it a bit far to order 3!  I just hope the BP livery one gets enough pre-orders to justify production.

Thanks Chris, I am finding the scenery really enjoyable to do, am gearing myself up to tackle some ballasting in my time at home (and platforms, and buildings and wiring and trackbeds and loco repairs and loco DCC fitting and test track building and the long list of outside jobs to perform...... sometimes feels that I come back to work for a rest) :)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Webbo on April 02, 2017, 09:12:39 AM
For me, ballasting and building construction can be soothing and good for the soul PROVIDED things are going well. As soon as things start to go pear shaped as they usually do for me sooner or later, these activities can cause great angst and stress and one would certainly be better off going to work and continuing at a later time.

Webbo
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Bealman on April 02, 2017, 09:17:06 AM
Yeah, walk away and leave it and come back to it. Usually works. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: keithbythe sea on April 02, 2017, 08:02:05 PM
Looking very good Andrew. I will steal the idea of using gaps in scatter to create rocky / stoney outcrops. So much more realistic than uniform scatter  :thankyousign:

Enjoying a bottle of McGuigan's finest Merlot at the moment. Although I am sure that our antipodean friends will tell me that it is exported rubbish!
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Mr PJ on April 02, 2017, 08:13:11 PM
The viaduct is looking really nice some nice sweeping track across it too. I didn't realise you had so much more track to lay still. Do you have an eventual track-plan on here somewhere that I may have missed? Or, is it like a lot of preserved railways, it just develops as it goes along?!
Cheers
Paul
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: port perran on April 02, 2017, 08:13:54 PM
I'm liking the bridge scene very much Andrew.
Do keep the scenic updates coming.
No red wine here this evening, it's a glass of Royal Lochnagar for me.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Mito on April 02, 2017, 08:24:35 PM
The artistic talent is showing!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on April 02, 2017, 08:59:26 PM
The viaduct is looking really nice some nice sweeping track across it too. I didn't realise you had so much more track to lay still. Do you have an eventual track-plan on here somewhere that I may have missed? Or, is it like a lot of preserved railways, it just develops as it goes along?!
Cheers
Paul

Thanks Paul, I re-posted the track plan recently and am managing to stick quite closely to it, surprisingly!  You can find it about half way down pg 83
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on April 02, 2017, 09:04:13 PM
I'm liking the bridge scene very much Andrew.
Do keep the scenic updates coming.
No red wine here this evening, it's a glass of Royal Lochnagar for me.

Your posts are really hard to swallow  ;) .... stuck out here on an alcohol free facility!  :scowl: and not even half way through my trip yet  :'(
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Steamie+ on April 03, 2017, 05:18:36 AM
Don’t fret about no alcohol Andrew, just think about the great work you do on your layout and when you get back you can have a glass or two or three or four, i think you get what i mean lol.   :laugh3: :laugh3: :laugh3:
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on April 03, 2017, 07:16:48 AM
My ongoing attempts to try and improve the cheap Chinese trees.....

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/50/4934-230317134712-50034997.jpeg)

I am learning that patience is valuable when making up kits, temptation is to want to rush in and build the kit, then paint it... but now know to try and paint the individual parts first :)  Doors & canopy valence's in the foreground, the main goods shed is in the background - the stone coloured paint is resisting application attempts in some parts!

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/50/4934-230317134719-500352260.jpeg)

Turned my attentions to the seam between the golf course & the backscene (need to a bit more work on the painting).  Added some moorland flock to the back edge and removed the surplus very fine dark green scatter form the corresponding stripe

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/50/4934-230317135309-500502290.jpeg)

Then some attempts at gorse, which is very prevalent in this neck of the woods

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/50/4934-230317134745-50036166.jpeg)

The river with the surplus stone removed, almost ready to receive the water product

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/50/4934-230317134814-50037359.jpeg)

While all that was drying, continued with the underlay for the branchline into Auchterarder station.  The wider bit to the left will be the mainline, but it needs adjusted, as it needs to start climbing here to create the height to pass over one of the other branch lines (which can be roughly seen next to the bottle of glue)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/50/4934-230317134835-50038729.jpeg)







Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Innovationgame on April 03, 2017, 08:09:06 AM
All good stuff.  I presume the gorse is the golf gorse.  :D
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on April 03, 2017, 08:13:04 AM
 :laughabovepost:  of gorse it is  :)
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on April 03, 2017, 08:33:28 AM
Excitement in Perthshire, trip to York booked for early May - visit to the NRM high on the agenda as well as another attempt to visit all of the ~ 365 pubs in 2 days (last attempt was a glorious failure  :beers: ) - can't believe it was 5 years ago we were there.... where does the time go!
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Steamie+ on April 03, 2017, 02:13:14 PM
Looks really great Andrew, i did a lot of gorse on the Grandsons layout and i put some purple foliage that came off the WS stuff i got, if you rub it, it all tends to come loose and very fine, spray a bit of pva on to the bush then sprinkle it over it, then a light spray with cheap hairspray and it stays put. (Putt).      :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Rabbitaway on April 03, 2017, 10:59:31 PM
Even although you are a LNER fan the streamlined Duchess is very impressive at the NRM

Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on April 04, 2017, 07:01:20 AM
The Duchess was there when I last visited and I agree, very impressive

After what seems an eternity (having been focused on the gorge a while) I finally got some more track down, this is the branch line passing the distillery site

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/50/4934-230317134855-500391927.jpeg)

With the gorge being pretty much how I want it, was able to fit the trackbed down for the two lines that will cross it adjacent to the bridge, using some of the old steelwork removed from the van as weights!  The line nearest the edge needs to climb, while the one to the left of it will remain level at this point

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/50/4934-230317134918-500401561.jpeg)

There will be a good size passing loop at the distillery to allow for handling of the traffic, the point nearest the bottom edge of the photo is for a separate branch that has it's own interesting back story (I hope!), which will be narrated in the future (when I am laying those tracks).  The next point in is for the passing loop & the picture shows the underlay being put down for that line

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/50/4934-230317134939-50041602.jpeg)

Last update on the permanent way for today, the branch line continues towards Auchterarder (Gleneagles)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/50/4934-230317135008-50042349.jpeg)

Finally decided to give the static grass a go

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/50/4934-230317135036-50043172.jpeg)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/50/4934-230317135101-500441929.jpeg)

And without the tweezers!

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/50/4934-230317135130-500451782.jpeg)

Soon be ready to open to the members :)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/50/4934-230317135157-500461623.jpeg)












Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Steamie+ on April 04, 2017, 08:21:04 AM
Looking really great Andrew, they will all be shouting “ Four” pretty soon.       :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on April 05, 2017, 07:24:54 AM
Added a different tone of static (all 2mm length) to delineate where the care and attention of the greenkeepers stops and nature starts .. will be a fence at that point to stop careless golfers, too focused on finding lost balls, from walking over the edge

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/50/4934-230317135224-500471075.jpeg)

Finally got the Stone Paint to a reasonable finish, here is the goods shed in it's approximate position - just need to think about how it will merge into the backscene - I had a notion to try some "Tromp L'Oiel" ... draw a 2D receding impression on the wall.. but quickly realised my artistic skills are too rudimentary for that

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/50/4934-230317135245-500481031.jpeg)

Took a minor deviation from N gauge to 1:1 gauge - I got this a while ago, it was rescued from a withdrawn LNER First Class Non Corridor Carriage... decided it was time to put some of my railwayana on the walls to decorate the van a bit more

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/50/4934-230317135304-50049806.jpeg)

Back to the layout and it was time to put some water down the small river

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/50/4934-230317135334-50052177.jpeg)

I was trying a different product to see how it compared to the Busch Modellwasser

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/50/4934-230317135333-500511761.jpeg)

While the water effect was drying, put down the cork underlay for the other tracks over the gorge

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/50/4934-230317135357-500542322.jpeg)

The goods shed gets some adornments, the head of the PR department at Blackford Petroleum is known to be a drinking buddy of the Station Master at Tullibardine, hence the prime advertising spot adjacent to the branch line

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/50/4934-230317135356-500531930.jpeg)

I wanted the doors to be further open than Peco build instructions would have it, so I had a bit of chopping to do to get the canopy supports to fit

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/50/4934-230317135416-50055509.jpeg)




Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Innovationgame on April 05, 2017, 07:38:15 AM
That looks like a lot of progress.  It's all looking good.  I liked the carriage sign, it goes with my smoke emission one.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Steamie+ on April 05, 2017, 08:32:08 AM
Looks great Andrew, how does the Making Waves compere to the other stuff you have used.

And the Bison Wood Glue is it better than Gorilla Glue, assuming you have used the GG, i have used the GG and i find it brilliant.     :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: Milton Rail on April 05, 2017, 09:36:31 AM
To be honest, not much difference between the two products, there is a bit more odour off the "making waves" than the Busch product, the Busch product is much thinner too, not as easy to "sculpt" straight out of the pot

The Bison Glue was good, but I used it up a while ago, I am just re-using the container as it has a good pouring spout... got a 5L drum of PVA at a ridiculously low price from Screwfix a while back, so I have just been topping up from that.  Quite like the Gorilla Glue too, but it doesn't dry transparent, but is great for woodworking.
Title: Re: Perthshire Railway Preservation Society - Construction
Post by: maridunian on April 05, 2017, 11:34:48 AM
Finally got the Stone Paint to a reasonable finish, here is the goods shed in it's approximate position - just need to think about how it will merge into the backscene - I had a notion to try some "Tromp L'Oiel" ... draw a 2D receding impression on