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Title: Grainge & Hodder baseboards ?
Post by: jonclox on September 18, 2015, 04:35:14 PM
Has anybody used
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Model-Railway-Corner-Baseboards-Modular-Precision-Laser-Cut-Base-Boards-/381399687984?hash=item58cd316330 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Model-Railway-Corner-Baseboards-Modular-Precision-Laser-Cut-Base-Boards-/381399687984?hash=item58cd316330)
If so could they say (in pm if more suitable) what they think of the quality and ease of working on it
I may be needing to build a "Z" shaped light layout using 304mm wide boards.
I would need to be light and portable and roughly7ft long
Title: Re: Grainge & Hodder baseboards ?
Post by: georgehgv on September 20, 2015, 09:59:35 PM
Look flimsy to me but not actually seen them good luck. Try getting some references and ringing or emailing them.
Title: Re: Grainge & Hodder baseboards ?
Post by: MikeDunn on September 21, 2015, 09:04:10 AM
5.5mm ply ... hmmm.  Suggest you head down your local B&Q, Wickes or similar and check out personally the rigidity of 5.5mm ...  You can likely find good prices either at the relevant store or on the 'net. 

Work out about how much you'd need to make what you want it to look like, and estimate time based on your skill; then compare with the overall cost of buying these units and consider whether you can form these into the table shape you want to have ...  you might need to draw out that shape a few times & see if it comes close.

I suspect that, unless you're happy to compromise what you want vs what this will offer in the pre-defined units, you'll not be able to meet your design requirements.
Title: Re: Grainge & Hodder baseboards ?
Post by: georgehgv on September 21, 2015, 09:08:43 AM
5.5mm ply ... hmmm.  Suggest you head down your local B&Q, Wickes or similar and check out personally the rigidity of 5.5mm ...  You can likely find good prices either at the relevant store or on the 'net. 

Work out about how much you'd need to make what you want it to look like, and estimate time based on your skill; then compare with the overall cost of buying these units and consider whether you can form these into the table shape you want to have ...  you might need to draw out that shape a few times & see if it comes close.

I suspect that, unless you're happy to compromise what you want vs what this will offer in the pre-defined units, you'll not be able to meet your design requirements.

You could of course buy a sheet of 6mm plywood and laminate to the top of aforementioned jigsaw boxes. That would add some sort of strength.
Title: Re: Grainge & Hodder baseboards ?
Post by: MikeDunn on September 21, 2015, 09:21:37 AM
You could of course buy a sheet of 6mm plywood and laminate to the top of aforementioned jigsaw boxes. That would add some sort of strength.
And double the weight for a portable layout ?  For someone with health issues anyway ?   :hmmm:  Sadly, Jon's not the spring chicken he used to be ...  :(
Title: Re: Grainge & Hodder baseboards ?
Post by: jonclox on September 21, 2015, 09:57:33 AM
You could of course buy a sheet of 6mm plywood and laminate to the top of aforementioned jigsaw boxes. That would add some sort of strength.
And double the weight for a portable layout ?  For someone with health issues anyway ?   :hmmm:  Sadly, Jon's not the spring chicken he used to be ...  :(

 :hmmm: :hmmm: cluck cluck cheep cheep cluck cough cough  :-[
The health might be gone but memories of lost skills and techniques remains in my decrepit brain.  ;) ;)
Title: Re: Grainge & Hodder baseboards ?
Post by: jonclox on September 22, 2015, 02:07:02 PM
Just risked an order for a 900X400mm kit seems to be the cheapest and Im sure I could still add reinforcements to it if it turns out to be flimsy or if the errors instantly clear I could return it for a refund ::)
Delivery estimate 30/09/15
fingers crossed here
Title: Re: Grainge & Hodder baseboards ?
Post by: FeelixTC on September 22, 2015, 02:47:55 PM
I wouldn't worry about 5.5mm ply; the 'box' nature of the construction will make it surprisingly rigid; I used 4mm ply and have no flex a a 4' x 2' baseboard.

Have you seen how thin egg shells are?
Title: Re: Grainge & Hodder baseboards ?
Post by: jonclox on September 22, 2015, 02:53:03 PM
I wouldn't worry about 5.5mm ply; the 'box' nature of the construction will make it surprisingly rigid; I used 4mm ply and have no flex a a 4' x 2' baseboard.

Have you seen how thin egg shells are?
  :smiley-laughing: layout on an eggshell.......what a novel idea ;D
I do understand the strength in a ply box concept and am hoping that it stands up to its reputation
Time and ownership will tell  :)
Title: Re: Grainge & Hodder baseboards ?
Post by: jonclox on September 25, 2015, 03:49:17 PM
The flatpack box arrived today and is remarkably light and easy for me to carry So sofar Im happy with the service.
Bit short on breath today so I will look and inspect tomorrow
Title: Re: Grainge & Hodder baseboards ?
Post by: jonclox on September 27, 2015, 04:06:07 PM
Needed some of the outer packing for something so ended up by exploring the baseboards and flexing them to test for rigidity.
Now its a well known fact that on a fine day I can just about crush a grape single handed but I had problems flexing the various parts of this baseboard and found that as FeelixTC  said earlier one its filled together and glued it a very strong structure.
Cant finally construct and test for a week or so but I'm happy with the product that's light and will do what I want it to
Title: Re: Grainge & Hodder baseboards ?
Post by: cornish yorkie on September 27, 2015, 06:54:46 PM
  :hellosign: sounds good so far, hope all goes well with construction Jon.
regards Derek
Title: Re: Grainge & Hodder baseboards ?
Post by: jonclox on October 02, 2015, 11:15:24 AM
Its worked out as an easy and ridged construction with the only down factor being it stunk of burn wood but that has now  dispersed and every thing is fine. Ive now ordered 2 'leg kits' and once they are fitted will have a lightweight portable board that I can work on in any room.
Must wait a month or so before purchasing the rest of the required boards
Title: Re: Grainge & Hodder baseboards ?
Post by: Newportnobby on October 02, 2015, 12:37:16 PM
That's good news, Jon. Glad you're happy with your purchase :thumbsup:
My mancave still smells of freshly cut timber (which I like) and rubber (which I'm undecided about :angel:) 3 years or so on.
Title: Re: Grainge & Hodder baseboards ?
Post by: jonclox on October 11, 2015, 04:15:17 PM
Received 2 leg kits yesterday and jut have to but the uprights of 34mm timbers to my required lengths from Warped and twistedSorry I mean B&Q or similar then the legs can be added to the top. Also found some 1 side glued 1.5mm cork sheet on line and have that ready to peel the backing off and stick to the top surface. A bit expensive but mush be better than gluing ordinary cork down which I managed to mess up when doing 'Ruleoneshire'
Title: Re: Grainge & Hodder baseboards ?
Post by: jonclox on October 28, 2015, 03:56:51 PM
The leg kits came without instructions and an email to the supplier brought the information that instructions were not needed their dead easy to make without them
The first one took me ages because it needed to be kept flat and square to get it just right. In fact I was glueing, clamping and allowing 3-4 hours to dry before rolling it over and drilling screw holes to keep everything in perfect (?) shape That took over a weekend  to complete and I could get on with the next one. Dead easy this time because I 'back to backed' the timers on number 1 and clamped everything at the same time and glued the second one in 1 session
Ive had to wait until various nut bolts and washers to arrive but wait till I  can get on and actually bolt ns screw the legs onto the board but that can wait a few days till I get some time and room to do it
Title: Re: Grainge & Hodder baseboards ?
Post by: jonclox on November 18, 2015, 09:27:40 AM
Due to bad weather yesterday eldest son was stuck indoors with nothing to do so I grabbed him and we set about fitting the legs to the finished top. Not easy as we were restricted to space but after about an hour using various clamps to hold it in place we had the fixing holes drilled and the leg units fixed to the top. The adjustable feet were far to hefty for what I  needed so the idea has been temporally shelved to after Christmas when lighter ones will be ordered.
Although the unit now feels firm and safe Ive yet to fit the braces on the legs. A job that may be done later today
The whole thing so far has ended up with a nice, safe and stable and ridged base to work on  :thumbsup:
Afternoon update. The braces are now fitted on one long side of the board and really do make a firm job of things. For now the tops a work bench but will convert to a lightweight layout in the new year hopefully  ::)
Title: Re: Grainge & Hodder baseboards ?
Post by: cornish yorkie on November 18, 2015, 05:56:07 PM
 :hellosign:  well done John,  :photospleasesign: look forward to updates.
regards Derek
Title: Re: Grainge & Hodder baseboards ?
Post by: jonclox on November 29, 2015, 11:40:39 AM
At last I had to finish the making of this first one.
The room was virtually clogged up with this board in the middle of the only (ATM) free space.
The top is now covered with a sheet of self adhesive 1.5 mm cork and Ive just added adjustable feet on the four legs.
The room contains a large plastic box  which contains household  'heavy tools'   spanners, hammers, screw drivers ,saws etc. which are a menace to get to if they are kept up the garage.
The legs of the board straddle the box and so halve the required floor space.
Now I will need to run a power bus along the underside and then leave alone apart from 1 track experiment till the New Year. :confused1:
Title: Re: Grainge & Hodder baseboards ?
Post by: jonclox on January 05, 2016, 02:04:13 PM
 A new year has arrived and Ive just ordered a 600x600xmm baseboard and a pair of legs to continue with my lightweight protect.
A non standard size so it will  cost slightly more than a stock item. Despite that
Steve has quoted me a 2-3 week delivery which suits me just fine.
I can play :doh: run Ruleoneshire and fiddle with this baseboards construction at the same time  :)
Title: Re: Grainge & Hodder baseboards ?
Post by: fatso on January 06, 2016, 04:37:16 PM
This is one I bought from the company built to my size 1 hour build time.mike

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Title: Re: Grainge & Hodder baseboards ?
Post by: fatso on January 06, 2016, 05:07:00 PM
This module is 928mm x 400mm see what you can get on it quite bit and other could do more. mike PS Please note I have glued all the track down
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Title: Re: Grainge & Hodder baseboards ?
Post by: jonclox on January 07, 2016, 11:11:52 AM
Thanks   fatso That gives me several ideas. I do have the station overall canopy from Faller and plan (ahead) to use it on module 3 not yet thought about in any detail as yet
Even module 1 still very much in the 'back of a ciggie packet' sketch although I know roughly what Im aiming towards.
 Number 2 has been ordered to see how (and where) it can link in with 1 and so see where points/links can go
Title: Re: Grainge & Hodder baseboards ?
Post by: fatso on January 07, 2016, 11:52:29 AM
This work in progress still looking at options

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Title: Re: Grainge & Hodder baseboards ?
Post by: jonclox on January 21, 2016, 11:22:43 AM
Now well into module 2. A 600x600 centre section which may at times become a running in track.
Another good 'kit' but I did find that a dry test run showed up a number of slightly over thickness d boards that needed  a thinning rub over with sandpaper before they actually fitted even with moderate pressure applied.
Im trying Gorilla Glue for this module and cant honestly recommend its use..........or of course I may be using it all wrong  :-\
Title: Re: Grainge & Hodder baseboards ?
Post by: jonclox on January 23, 2016, 11:04:36 AM
 :hmmm: Over thickness(?) of one or two beams has caused this module to be somewhat of a *^ger to glue together. Several joins have had to be eased rather more than I had hoped for.
 Anyways theres just one more beam to ease before the main structure is completed and firmly glued together which may be later today. Then once the glue has dried I can fit small square stips of hardwood to streanggthen any weak areas.
The problems are mainly self inflicted as I should have done a full dry run rather than fit and glue as Ive progressed.
 We live and learn (eventually) ::)
Title: Re: Grainge & Hodder baseboards ?
Post by: Yet_Another on January 29, 2016, 05:22:05 PM
I'm just looking at putting together the two 1100x500 boards that I bought a little while ago, and the 'X' bracing is giving me pause for thought.

Because of the way the internal bracing has been adapted from a 'standard' module, there's nowhere for the diagonal x's to fit, so it looks like I'm going to have to use single element diagonal braces instead.

I've dry-assembled both, and they do seem a little bit bendy under torsion. I don't think I can do without the diagonal bracing. I hope this is going to work, it's an expensive pasting table if it doesn't!  :o