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Title: Deadwood layout - unabridged and illustrated
Post by: Webbo on February 16, 2015, 09:49:14 AM
Preamble
This thread extends my previous thread ĎCPR Deadwood Ė A layout under constructioní. To make a long story short, Deadwood is my 4th layout and my 3rd and most ambitious in N scale. The previous 2 N scale layouts were dismantled due to moving houses and continents (Canada to Australia twice). Iíve been settled in Canberra since 1987 and in 2006 finally acquired a dedicated train room in my shed built in 2006. Between 1987 and 2006 there was no railway construction due to limited room and job & domestic commitments. This post is a potted history of my current layout and an account of where Iím at presently with it.

Choice of railway
I picked Santa Fe (ATSF) as my first N scale railway. I liked the warbonnet colours of its passenger diesels, the heralds on the sides of their freight cars, and the large choice of locos and rolling stock in what were fairly early days of N scale. On a visit to Canada in 2000, I spied a couple of Kato CP Rail SD40-2s and snapped them up knowing that I would be back into railroading before too long. Thereafter, I would focus on CP Rail and its earlier incantation the Canadian Pacific Railway. The completion of the CPR line across Canada in 1885 was an important factor in bringing the western Canadian provinces into Confederation so itís an iconic railway to me having spent most of my youth in Vancouver.

However, I love trains and model trains from everywhere so have never been fixated on any particular railway. I still run my elderly Santa Fe locos, have a number of British Columbia Railway locos and cars, and even have a few British Railways items. Real life North American freight trains often contain rolling stock from railways all over the continent and this is one of the nice things about modelling them. The following photo shows some of the cars I intend to include in my trains along with one of my first CP Rail locos.

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My layout presently under construction is intended to represent very loosely the CPR/ CP Rail main line through the semi-arid rugged landscape of south central British Columbia somewhere in the region of Lillooet or Kamloops as I remember this region in my mindís eye. It could just as easily be set in some parts of the western US or in other parts of the world for that matter. The layout will incorporate a modest station for the town of Deadwood along with some of its industrial area. The real Deadwood is a town in South Dakota infamous for gold mining rowdiness in the 19th century and for being the site of Wild Bill Hickokís murder. Iíve just borrowed the name.
 
Plan
My layout plan shown below was shown in my previous post. The layout has been built along the three sides of my train room and measures 3.1 x 3.4 m along its outside edges. The walk through at the bottom has a door to the outside world on the left hand side and there is a door on the bottom right that connects to another room in my shed.

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The layout plan is really very simple and is designed for continuous running of long freight trains along a single track main line. Two passing tracks are provided, one in view and the other behind my fiddle yard. I can have three trains on the go at once (two parked in the passing tracks). The fiddle yard has 7 double ended sidings that Iíll use for storing trains or parts of trains not being run at the time. The left hand leg of the layout is rugged rocky terrain that has two tunnels and two bridges. Iím not really into shunting, but I will have several spurs running into my industrial area. How these are going to be laid out is not yet decided but will include a grain elevator as well as a freight shed at least.

Train room
My train room is the back third of a shed that also contains a storage and workshop rooms. The walls and roof of the shed are Colorbond steel sheet on a steel frame. Canberra gets quite warm in summer and cool in winter so the first task was to line my train room with insulation and panelling. I obtained a quote of $3000 to undertake this task with gyprock panelling, but decided to spend the money on tools and materials and do it myself with wood panelling. This delayed progress, but I now have a work table (Triton Workcentre) with power saw and router attachments that proved to be very handy when constructing my layout frame.

In fitting out my train room, task one was laying carpet tiles on the concrete floor. Task 2 was the construction of an internal wooden frame bolted to the steel frame that would support the panelling and the insulation. Task 3 was the fitting of the panelling and insulation to the walls and ceiling. The challenge here was that the shed walls and the concrete floor were not exactly square with one another. My high school geometry was very handy in sorting this problem out and getting the right cuts. Task 4 was the fitting of a suitable frame round the window and on the two doors. The whole process enabled me to practice a whole lot of carpentry skills which came in handy for the layout itself.
 
The following are a couple of photos of the room under construction.

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The train room was finished with the installation of a 1 kw reverse cycle air conditioner that can heat or cool the room in a few minutes. Not needed most of the time, but sometimes is essential.

Layout table
The layout is of the dog bone style, but I didnít want to build any more scenery than I needed to and also wanted to place a work table in the interior space. This meant that the layout supporting frame was built to follow approximately the contour of the inside track. The outside of the frame is screwed directly to the train room walls (or really to the wooden frame behind the walls). The horizontal framing both lateral and lengthways are 1 x 4s and the vertical legs are 2 x 4s. The cross frames were spaced at 30 cm and supported 9 mm plywood for the track (3/8Ē). I have no idea whether these dimensions are optimal, but the track support and framework seems to be plenty strong enough.
 
The photo shows the frame looking across from left to right (east to west). The far part of the frame is lower than the rest so my lake could be fitted. The track on the right hand leg of the layout (see plan) is all at one level, but further west from the refinery the outer track rises and the lower track falls until the northwest corner of the layout when the grades reverse. Since the underlying frame was mostly constructed at the one level this required that parts of the cross frames needed to be cut away and others needed to have extensions fitted.  The photo also shows the supports for my upper level track rings which I constructed to allow me to run a G gauge, HO/OO and N scale trains until my main layout is built.

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The following photo shows the plywood attached with rails and bridges in place.

Track
Although it is not very prototypical for North America, I am using Peco code 55 track for my layout for its strength and reliability. Points are electrofrogs.  The visible track sits on Trackrite, a foam material that is glued to the baseboard. In my fiddle yard, the track sits on a cork sheet. The track sections in view are glued to the underlay with PVA. Elsewhere the track is pinned. The plan is to ballast the visible track Ė a small section of this has been done. A few of the track joins on the curves are soldered to prevent kinking. Prior to track installation in visible places, I spray painted the rail with Floquilís Railroad Tie Brown.

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Electrics
Iím running DC with my layout, although I can supply DCC current to the track via an MRC Blackbox to run my few sound equipped locomotives. For my simple layout, DC is fine and it does have the advantage that I can run several locomotives on one train with a minimum of fuss. The only disadvantage is that the headlights on the following locomotives canít be turned off.
 
I have 6 drop leads to the power supply. Seems to be enough so far, but time and corrosion will tell if it is in the longer term. At the moment, I have only 5 electrified points Ė 2 at each end of the passing tracks and one for the turnoff into the industrial area. Point direction is indicated by LEDs on a control panel. I have two lighted twin-target searchlight signals at each end of the visible passing track whose colours are wired to the direction the points are switched. Simple I know, but I will get changes in the signal aspects. The signals are Showcase Miniatures and utilise a fibre optic cable carrying light from LEDs mounted below the baseboard to the signal heads. I have also wired in two sets of road crossing signals that are activated by an approaching train. One of these has a set of flashing lights only, but the other has drop gates and a ringing bell as well.
 
Scenery
Constructing my mountains and rock forms is where Iím at right now and has been the biggest challenge and source of misjudgements. Based on reading scenery books, the original plan was to build a plywood wooden frame and use cardboard strips to support a mesh and then a Hydrocal layer. Big mistake #1 for me! The photo shows the wooden scenery framework on the southwestern corner of the layout which is where I started. The trouble is that once the framing is up the options for fiddling with the landform shape become limited.

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A much better option proved to be to use Styrofoam to support the scenery. I started with using the foam packing material from TV sets, refrigerators etc. that I managed to scrounge then realised that  stacked pieces of cut foam sheeting was cheap enough and that it really wasnít worth the effort to get the packing material to fit. Both types of Styrofoam scenery support are shown in the second picture. Although the wooden frame is still there, it proved to be unnecessary and a nuisance. The Styrofoam foam is strong, lightweight and also allows for easy modification to scenery form after it has been installed. Bits can be dug out or glued on to adjust the scenery once it is in place.

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The part of the layout behind the bridge in the photo above has a rocky ravine running through it. Since this area happens to be one of the most difficult to reach parts of the layout, I built this part of the scenery as a liftout section. See following photo.

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The foam is covered with plaster cloth obtained from an art supplies outfit and then this has a layer of Sculptamold applied to the top. I had a go with Hydrocal, a lightweight strong plaster, but this was enormously messy stuff to work with. Besides with the foam underneath, I had a nice strong base so strength really wasnít needed in the covering material. Sculptamold is brilliant stuff. Sets a bit more slowly than plaster, so it can be shaped into rocks etc. before it dries. It is also lighter and more flexible than plaster. Downsides are that once dry, it canít be sculpted and it takes pigment in a different way than plaster.

Problems with colouring the scenery turned out to be my second source of problems. I started off by using Woodland Scenics pigments dabbed with a foam applicator using their leopard spotting technique to colour the rocks. Looked terrific on the Hydrocal, but the absorption properties of the Sculptamold are more uneven than the plaster and things looked pretty ugly. Then tried painting the Sculptamold with acrylic paint. Disaster! The acrylic sealed the Scuptamold making it impossible to add other tints afterwards. Finally, I adopted a hybrid technique, by splotching on the two secondary pigments with the foam applicator followed by an overspray of the main tint using an air brush. The pigments were Woodland Scenics black (secondary), stone grey (secondary), and slate grey (primary).
 
Progress to date
Presently, Iím building the scenery from the bottom left hand side and working around in a clockwise direction towards the industrial area. Iím into the rocky terrain at the moment and progress is slow. The following photos show where Iím at the moment. The bit that is coloured and grassed still needs bushes and trees to be added. Sculpting the rocks has turned out to be the hardest part of all. The bridges have just been put in place temporarily for the photo. Once I finish the scenery to the north of the lake, the lake will be filled and bridges permanently installed. Then, I can trains right round my layout once again.

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Title: Re: Deadwood layout - unabridged and illustrated
Post by: petercharlesfagg on February 16, 2015, 10:14:43 AM
Thankyou, it looks both simple and adventurous!

It must be wonderful to have somewhere that is dedicated to your layout instead of fitting it into existing rooms. 

The scope for your enjoyment is enormous with those lovely sweeping curves, plenty of storage tracks and of course your brilliant scenery skills!

Thankyou for sharing these initial stages, it looks as if we all have a treat in store for later!

Regards, Peter.
Title: Re: Deadwood layout - unabridged and illustrated
Post by: ScottyStitch on February 16, 2015, 10:15:23 AM
Excellent first post, looking forward to more!

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Title: Re: Deadwood layout - unabridged and illustrated
Post by: Bealman on February 16, 2015, 10:32:40 AM
Living not far from you, I am very interested in your insulation of the "tin" shed, as Aussies  call them.

My own layout lives in a brick garage attached  to house, but summer heat is always a problem.

I desperately  require a garden shed to build an electronics workshop but have put off getting a metal one in favour of a wooden one, thinking I might avoid the lining and insulation and just putting aircon in.

As you can probably  tell, a builder I ain't.   :uneasy:

Lokk forward to future reports! The scenery does indeed look great.  :thumbsup:

George
Title: Re: Deadwood layout - unabridged and illustrated
Post by: scotsoft on February 16, 2015, 10:40:39 AM
I am so jealous of the space you have there plus what you have built so far looks brilliant  :NGaugersRule:

I look forward to seeing your layout progress and hopefully one day watch a video of some trains running round  ;)

cheers John.
Title: Re: Deadwood layout - unabridged and illustrated
Post by: Newportnobby on February 16, 2015, 10:54:14 AM
An excellent history of the build :thumbsup:
The mind boggles as to how many trees you'll be planting :goggleeyes:
Like others, a vid of trains running through the scenery is eagerly awaited.
Title: Re: Deadwood layout - unabridged and illustrated
Post by: Malc on February 16, 2015, 11:43:32 AM
Looks really good. The cliff face leading to the tunnel, and the hillside look impressive. I will follow this thread with interest.
Title: Re: Deadwood layout - unabridged and illustrated
Post by: Webbo on February 16, 2015, 11:20:56 PM
Thanks all for your supportive comments.

Yes, I am lucky to have a room to build it all in, but it has been a long time coming. If I had been aware of the possibilities in building mini layouts such as the many great examples I've seen on this forum, I would have had a go at one of them while I was waiting for a room. It seems to me that the shorter wheelbase UK or European outline would have been a better choice than North American on a small layout with tight curves.

Lots of trees (pines) is what I'm planning for even though the layout will not represent the forested mountains of British Columbia closer to the coast.

George, wasn't sure whether 'tin' shed is part of the vernacular in the UK and elsewhere. Certainly what I have is a tin shed in Oz speak.  With respect to the merits of tin vs wood sheds, I would guess that buying a standard tin shed would be cheaper than building a wood shed, but wood would be easier than tin to line. Lining the shed certainly looks better, but you can buy a very large amount of air conditioning power for the cost of insulation installation. I'm not a carpenter either, but with some appropriate tools I found I could cut a straight line and a right angle. Lining the shed was a great learning experience and fun. Happy to discuss your shed issues off thread.

Ian 
Title: Re: Deadwood layout - unabridged and illustrated
Post by: 47033 on February 17, 2015, 03:34:35 AM
Fantastic.  Your scenery work is excellent you must be delighted with it so far.

Jamie
Title: Re: Deadwood layout - unabridged and illustrated
Post by: Lawrence on February 17, 2015, 01:29:48 PM
Top work Ian  :thumbsup: keep us posted on the progress
Title: Re: Deadwood layout - unabridged and illustrated
Post by: danielb on February 17, 2015, 02:17:56 PM
Looking good, I'll be following this one for sure! :)
Title: Re: Deadwood layout - unabridged and illustrated
Post by: Herr_style on February 18, 2015, 06:49:08 AM
Nice to see it coming together, especially seeing your wheat cars behind two big CP Rail diesels. Are all your locos CP?

Dave
Title: Re: Deadwood layout - unabridged and illustrated
Post by: Webbo on February 18, 2015, 07:47:38 AM
Dave, Not all my locos are CP Rail by a long way - maybe a third. The largest number is CP Rail (relatively modern 70s to present), some Canadian Pacific Railway (up to mid 70s say), a couple of Pacific Great Eastern, several British Columbia Railway, some old Santa Fe steamers as well as a Kato SF PA/PB, a recently released Kato Union Pacific 4-8-4 (has become my favourite), 2 British Railways steamers (A4 + B1) and a BR class 55 diesel. I have enough rolling stock to go behind all this lot, but I have more diversity than I need. I now have a policy of not adding to my stock of locos and rolling stock.  If I buy something, something  I own has to go through EBay generally.

Ian
Title: Re: Deadwood layout - unabridged and illustrated
Post by: OwL on February 18, 2015, 01:33:42 PM
From what I've seen of your pictures so far your layout looks impressive. Keep us posted with developments.
All the best........
Title: Re: Deadwood layout - unabridged and illustrated
Post by: Webbo on April 07, 2015, 07:14:12 AM
Here is the Deadwood layout as it is today. Some progress has been made since my first post on this. Basically, the left hand side of the layout is now well on its way to completion. The rocks to the north of the lake have been completed and painted, some trees and bushes have been plants (but lots to go), and the lake bed has been coloured. The plan is to pour a layer of Woodland Scenics Realistic Water over the bed, but at present it is a convenient place to lean when I'm stretching towards the back of the layout. At the moment, the bridge over the lake is a rendition of the old Tay Bridge post 1879. It'll be assembled permanently when the lake gets 'filled'.

Here is a photo of my almost completed scenery on the left hand side of the layout. The train is a 27 car grain train which has decided to stop where the bridge is out.

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Here is a short video clip showing the train driver's view of a trip through my completed scenery. The tunnel section does eventually end.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNCVsPXKMv0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNCVsPXKMv0)


Title: Re: Deadwood layout - unabridged and illustrated
Post by: PostModN66 on April 07, 2015, 07:27:16 AM
Very nice work - looks crisply modelled and I love the flowing track.

How do you find access to the fiddle yard?

Cheers  Jon  :)
Title: Re: Deadwood layout - unabridged and illustrated
Post by: Webbo on April 07, 2015, 08:46:21 AM
Thanks Jon

The fiddle yard will be on the right side of my train room. Far away at the moment, but I'm heading in its direction.

Ian
Title: Re: Deadwood layout - unabridged and illustrated
Post by: PostModN66 on April 07, 2015, 08:55:43 AM
Thanks Jon

The fiddle yard will be on the right side of my train room. Far away at the moment, but I'm heading in its direction.

Ian

Hi Ian; can't I see it in one of the photos?

My concern is that it might be difficult to access it behind the backscene - have you thought of this?

Cheers  Jon  :)
Title: Re: Deadwood layout - unabridged and illustrated
Post by: Webbo on April 07, 2015, 09:29:03 AM
Hi Jon

Yes, I'm acutely aware of the problems of reach. My fiddle yard tracks are already laid (see my first post) and I can reach all of its tracks. The back drop between my industrial area and the fiddle yard will only be about 15 cm high and will be able to be lifted out. I can reach all of the fiddle yard from either the interior space in the layout or from its ends. My main line runs down the wall and it is a bit of a stretch to reach, but quite doable. In this section, I expect (hope?) that since the track is straight and level it should not be prone to derailments.

The alternative to making a more accessible fiddle yard while retaining a space for my planned industrial activities is to reduce the minimum radius of my main line. I like long trains and in my experience long trains + tight curves = trouble to put things into mathematical terms.

I do appreciate your thoughts on this.
Ian
Title: Re: Deadwood layout - unabridged and illustrated
Post by: Newportnobby on April 07, 2015, 10:16:29 AM
I do like the vid :thumbsup:
The scenery when the train emerges from the tunnel onto the truss girder bridge reminded me of the film 'Von Ryan's Express'
Title: Re: Deadwood layout - unabridged and illustrated
Post by: Bubule on May 09, 2015, 10:13:31 AM

 Very nice layout ! :NGaugersRule:

Your carpenter's work is very neat and the volumes you have designed are wonderfull. Love it ! :heart2:

Your bridges are nicely intergrted too, and it is very difficult to do that.

Thank's for sharing !  :claphappy:
Title: Re: Deadwood layout - unabridged and illustrated
Post by: N Gauge Bob on July 13, 2015, 12:45:17 PM
Neither my era nor interest, but I must say this is an excellent looking piece of work. The Pictures are clear and the text very well presented. The track plan and scenery have obviously taken much time to plan and build with accuracy and authenticity in mind.
I take my hat off to you, and look forward to future episodes.
 :superblayout:
Cheers
N Gauge Bob
Title: Re: Deadwood layout - unabridged and illustrated
Post by: Malc on July 13, 2015, 01:17:50 PM
Time we had another update, Ian? @Webbo (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=4229)
Title: Re: Deadwood layout - unabridged and illustrated
Post by: Webbo on September 09, 2015, 07:58:53 AM
Here it is Malc.

My reluctance to post a progress report before now is due to my having taken a big step backwards since last time and my spending a lot of time recovering the situation. The big step backwards was the decision to install strip lighting to the underside of my upper level track circuits. This entailed first removing the support brackets and replacing them with less intrusive brackets. Next, the blue wall paper had to be replaced, and then finally I added the strip lighting. The strip lighting is simply a string of LEDs glued on to the inside of a piece of channel  (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/160842566915 (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/160842566915)). The addition of the lighting really lightens up the back of the layout and replacing the brackets from the upper circuits means that they don't intrude into the diorama of my main layout to nearly the same degree as before. Perhaps, this could be construed as progress.

Here is a picture taken recently with the improved lighting and changed brackets. I have removed most of trees in the interests of damage limitation during reconstruction. Some of the trees will be replanted, but with an altered configuration I expect. One of the next steps is to plant the trees and then Ďfillí the lake with Woodlands Scenics Realistic Water. The bridge pylons are now fixed in place, but the bridge components can be lifted in or out. The rock looks a bit washed out in the photo. Doesnít look quite this way in reality, but I think I will be adding some highlighting washes just the same.

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The girder sections of the bridge are Micro Engineering, the two truss sections are Central Valley Models, and the track is Micro Engineering bridge track. Iíve had a lucky escape with this one as my Kato double stack container cars fit through the truss sections with not more than 2 mm clearance. Here is a video of a short train crossing the bridge with the double stacks.
 
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In terms of scenery construction, I have now laid and carved the foam base for my scenery along the top part of the layout as far as where my refinery is going to go. This base will be covered with a thin layer of Sculptamold and Iím planning to fasion a few rocky outcrops here with Sculptamold. Here is a photo that shows the new section. The foil on the wall keeps my wall paper from getting wet during application of the Sculptamold. Just beyond where the passing track joins the main line there will be a road crossing that will be controlled by flashing lights that I managed to get working yesterday. To the right of the upper level track will be a farm growing corn or what is referred to in the UK as maize, but the rest of the scenery in the view shown will be open countryside.

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Iíve had a fair bit of trouble selecting the tree types for my layout. The trees that are most common in the region that Iím loosely modelling are Ponderosa Pines and Douglas Firs. Iíve tried all kinds of trees including trees from China. I started with Busch pine trees, but these looked too much like bottle cleaners for me. I bought a whole lot of Woodland Scenics pines next. They sort of resemble Ponderosa Pines (middle tree in following photo), but I would have preferred them to be less dark. The tree on the left is a JTT spruce. Looks OK at a distance but is also too dark. The tree on the right is a Grand Central Gems pine tree that has been dipped in dye to darken it up a bit. This tree type will be my Douglas Fir.

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Here is a train ride through my scenery taken a couple of weeks ago using my latest camera system.
 
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Title: Re: Deadwood layout - unabridged and illustrated
Post by: Newportnobby on September 09, 2015, 11:26:34 AM
Thanks for the update and the vids, Webbo. The layout is really coming to life :thumbsup:
I see what you mean about the double stackers, though. Just a little tight clearance-wise! :sweat:
Title: Re: Deadwood layout - unabridged and illustrated
Post by: Webbo on September 09, 2015, 11:45:35 AM
Thanks for the update and the vids, Webbo. The layout is really coming to life :thumbsup:
I see what you mean about the double stackers, though. Just a little tight clearance-wise! :sweat:

I bought some Farish 40' containers and tried them out on my container cars. When double stacked the top container went crunch when it arrived at the bridge. The extra height with 1:148 scale versus 1:160 scale was too much. You really wouldn't notice the difference in size, but I'm going to have to run my Farish containers as singles from now on.

Webbo
Title: Re: Deadwood layout - unabridged and illustrated
Post by: Mito on September 09, 2015, 08:49:51 PM
Very nice :thumbsup:  I like the snow scene after the last bridge :D
Title: Re: Deadwood layout - unabridged and illustrated
Post by: Webbo on September 18, 2015, 09:00:47 AM
Some Canadian layouts do represent snow scenes and one can buy pine trees with snow on them. I'll be moving my snow scenes into late summer when the grass has all dried out and before the snow has not yet started to fall.

Since my last update, I've bitten the bullet and filled my lake with Woodland Scenics Realistic Water. Five ants managed to trap themselves in it while the stuff was setting over night. I should have waited until the water had set before trying to remove them, but instead managed to create a bigger hole and then even bigger disruptions to the surface in my efforts to repair the holes. Traps for young players. Removing my lake and restarting is not an option that I relish, I may cover all this up with another thin layer of realistic water. If I do, I'll be sure to fill my train room with insect poison beforehand.

When looking up the web on how to repair imperfections in Realistic Water I came across quite a few horror stories of adverse reactions between Realistic Water and various scenic materials including non-acrylic paint, PVA, and foam materials. These reactions can cause cloudiness which could spoil the intended effect big time. In my lake, I have two places where I've screwed the base plywood to the underlying frame. I filled the depressions with Tamiya plastic filler and this seems to have caused some local discoloration to the Realistic Water although it may more to do with the difference between how the acrylic paint sticks to wood and to the filler.  Shouldn't be a problem as I have a couple of canoes that I can use to hide the imperfections. Woodland Scenics recommends using their products for painting and sealing the surface before pouring RS, BUT they don't tell you that very bad things can happen if certain other materials are used. Another trap for young players.

Here is a shot of my lake with a few more trees added to the background hillside. Overall, I'm pretty happy with how it has turned out. With time, I know my eye will not be drawn to its imperfections.

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Webbo
Title: Re: Deadwood layout - unabridged and illustrated
Post by: Newportnobby on September 18, 2015, 10:35:34 AM
That looks pretty damned good to me, Webbo, especially the reflective properties which will make for some great photography :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Deadwood layout - unabridged and illustrated
Post by: jonclox on September 18, 2015, 02:03:32 PM
This layout just gets better and better  :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Deadwood layout - unabridged and illustrated
Post by: Mito on September 18, 2015, 08:59:27 PM
Very nice indeed. You could always say the ants are beavers swimming or prehistoric creatures!
Title: Re: Deadwood layout - unabridged and illustrated
Post by: port perran on September 18, 2015, 09:07:53 PM
This is a really nice layout. Lovely job.
Title: Re: Deadwood layout - unabridged and illustrated
Post by: Boulanzak on October 20, 2015, 04:29:32 PM
 :wonderfulmodelling:   :greatwork:   :superblayout: 
Title: Re: Deadwood layout - unabridged and illustrated
Post by: grumbeast on October 20, 2015, 08:48:39 PM
How did I miss these updates... It's looking beautiful!

G
Title: Re: Deadwood layout - unabridged and illustrated
Post by: lil chris on October 20, 2015, 09:54:41 PM
very nice layout, love your water with the reflections.
Title: Re: Deadwood layout - unabridged and illustrated
Post by: Bealman on October 21, 2015, 01:50:22 AM
Agree totally with all the above posts. Thanks for the update!  :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

George
Title: Re: Deadwood layout - unabridged and illustrated
Post by: tinyone on December 13, 2015, 08:51:42 AM
Superb Webbo you've given me new idea's already and I haven't started yet

Steve
Title: Re: Deadwood layout - unabridged and illustrated
Post by: Webbo on April 03, 2016, 04:25:41 AM
Hello folks. Time for an update on my layout, Deadwood. Progress has been happening though not as fast as I would like. Iím envious of others on this forum who seem to be able to make leaps and bounds while I seem to be wallowing in a bog. The stuff that should take a lot of time doesnít, whereas the stuff that ought to be simple and straightforward does. The following is a revisit of my layout plan. Basically, I have managed to get most of the scenery sorted out all the way from the bottom left to halfway along the top. Most of the left is scenery Ė trees, rocks, hills etc., but the right hand side will be a town and industrial setting so quite different from what Iíve been working on so far.
 
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Work still remaining on the left includes the application of some more bushes and undergrowth as well as the addition of a few details such as Canada geese on the lake and deer in the woods. Might add some more trees, but the part of Canada that I think Iím trying to model is not heavily forested unlike the west coast. Some young people have decided to moon the train about to pass after having driven up in a í58 Chevy hardtop. 

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Here are some photos of the left hand side of my layout showing progress.

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The other side looks slightly less neat.

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The last few days has been cause for celebration though as I now have all my bridges in place and am able to run trains around my whole layout at long last. It has taken me longer to get this far than it took the builders of the CPR 150 years ago to build the line across Canada! The following is a photo of a train passing the Ďrubbishí on the right hand side of my layout.

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Another milestone accomplished recently is that I have finally started to construct a building kit. Iím starting with a fallen barn by LaserArt. Here it is so far, but it is still missing its collapsed roof. Wonderful kit.

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The barn will be a part of a farm scene in the middle of the top side of the layout to the left of my yet-to-be-built refinery. Many decades ago the farm ran beef cattle (hence the barn), but in recent years the farm has switched to growing corn (or what those in the UK would call maize). The completion of the farm scene is my next task.

Finally, for everyoneís amusement I present some clips of trains running. The first is of a CPR freight train headed by a FP7 and GP7 in the maroon and grey colour scheme of Canadian Pacific in the 50s and 60s.

http://youtu.be/BceTDS1Do0Q (http://youtu.be/BceTDS1Do0Q)

The next is of a mixed freight pulled by a pair of ES44ACs in the modern era.

http://youtu.be/Ki7nz29gvko (http://youtu.be/Ki7nz29gvko)

And finally, Iím going to invoke rule 1 big time with my A4 ĎCommonwealth of Australiaí hauling a 9 coach train past my FP7 and GP7. The eras match even if the locations donít.

http://youtu.be/ythK0tFTvHY (http://youtu.be/ythK0tFTvHY)

Webbo
 
Title: Re: Deadwood layout - unabridged and illustrated
Post by: Bealman on April 03, 2016, 04:36:30 AM
Great work and great videos, Webbo! I'm particularly impressed with your neat fascias at the layout's edges.

The scenic work is also impressive. Looking forward to future progress!  :thumbsup:

George
Title: Re: Deadwood layout - unabridged and illustrated
Post by: Newportnobby on April 03, 2016, 04:49:45 AM
 :jawdropping: :wonderfulmodelling:
I am hugely impressed with what you've achieved so far, Webbo. The scenic work is a delight (as is the vid of the A4) so never mind how long it's taken - the end result is very much worth it.
Title: Re: Deadwood layout - unabridged and illustrated
Post by: Ditape on April 03, 2016, 05:31:37 AM
:greatpicturessign:
:wonderfulmodelling:
:superblayout:
:greatwork:
:jealous:

I think that just about sums up how I feel about your Layout.
Title: Re: Deadwood layout - unabridged and illustrated
Post by: PostModN66 on April 03, 2016, 07:00:16 AM
Really great stuff.  I love the bridge.  :toot:

Cheers  Jon   :)

Title: Re: Deadwood layout - unabridged and illustrated
Post by: mr magnolia on April 03, 2016, 08:36:11 AM
Lovely!
Thanks for sharing.
Donald
Title: Re: Deadwood layout - unabridged and illustrated
Post by: tinyone on April 03, 2016, 09:00:36 AM
Superb layout am loving the mountains and even more idea's for me and there's nothing wrong with the A4 it s on tour

Steve
Title: Re: Deadwood layout - unabridged and illustrated
Post by: RossE on April 03, 2016, 09:00:58 AM
Wow! Superb layout Webbo! Wonderful scenic work.
The room is lit so well too. It really makes the layout loo fantastic.

Ross
Title: Re: Deadwood layout - unabridged and illustrated
Post by: cornish yorkie on April 03, 2016, 09:22:07 PM
 :hellosign:   :thumbsup:  superb modelling love the scenic, well worth the wait, thanks for sharing
regards Derek.
Title: Re: Deadwood layout - unabridged and illustrated
Post by: wookie on April 03, 2016, 10:20:19 PM
Wow, that's some layout!
Title: Re: Deadwood layout - unabridged and illustrated
Post by: Webbo on April 04, 2016, 04:07:43 AM
Thank you for your kind comments, people.

Ross, my room has an overhead pair of fluoros, but along two sides of the layout I have run LED strip lighting under the shelf that can be seen at head height around the room. These lights come in 5 m lengths consisting of hundreds of individual LEDs needing 12 V for power. Can be bought cheaply on EBay from China. Each individual LED has its own current limiting resistor so the strips can be cut up and run as individual LEDs. I'm planning to use these for building lighting when I get that far.

I've just undertaken a haulage test on my 3 British steam locos (the Dapol A4, a Farish B1, and a Farish Jinty). All are capable of pulling 9 Farish passenger coaches up my 1.6% grade both slowly and at speed without apparent problem. A Farish black 5, which I have since sold, struggled with 6 coaches up the same hill. Both the B1 and the 5 have tender drives, but it seems that the B1 tender is substantially heavier than the 5 tender from what I remember hence the difference in traction.

Webbo
Title: Re: Deadwood layout - unabridged and illustrated
Post by: dats475 on April 29, 2016, 05:12:55 PM
I'm in love with your layout! (No, not the weird way!)
I got excited just looking your track plan.
Your scenery is excellent too. Just like traveling through Canada!
How many cars fits in the staging yard? I'm looking forward to seeing the next development!!
P.S. more of your video please!!
Title: Re: Deadwood layout - unabridged and illustrated
Post by: Guy on April 29, 2016, 07:29:00 PM
Just read your thread, Really impressive layout and great modelling. I look forward to seeing more. :greatpicturessign:
Title: Re: Deadwood layout - unabridged and illustrated
Post by: railsquid on April 30, 2016, 03:18:14 AM
The other side looks slightly less neat.

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I like the futuristic cityscape with colourful cylindrical skyscrapers ;)
Title: Re: Deadwood layout - unabridged and illustrated
Post by: Webbo on April 30, 2016, 04:44:10 AM
Thanks for your compliments folks.

For dats475, I can fit 160 50' boxcars into my fiddle yard which is the majority of what I own. With my two passing tracks, I can fit another 3 trains of 30 cars each so we're up over 200 altogether. Needless to say, maneuvering  all this lot with tracks full will be awkward so I expect to run with quite a lot less of my stuff out of their boxes at any one time.

To Railsquid, I say that modern architects have a lot to answer for.

Webbo
Title: Re: Deadwood layout - unabridged and illustrated
Post by: texhorse on July 29, 2016, 05:50:13 PM
Your layout looks excellent Ian.  And a fellow shed layout owner as well!

Andy
Title: Re: Deadwood layout - unabridged and illustrated
Post by: Webbo on August 29, 2016, 05:11:24 AM
My main achievement since my last progress posting has been the completion of the farm at the top of my layout located as shown in the following track plan.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/43/4229-290816040432.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=43190)

The main crop is corn intended for human consumption and some is sold from road side stalls, but most goes to supermarkets. Corn is what people in the UK would call maize. The farm buildings are by the railway track because a) the farm was before the railway line b) the farmer likes to watch the trains go by or c) I had no room to fit them anywhere else on my layout.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/43/4229-290816043509.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=43191)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/43/4229-290816043742.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=43192)

The farmer's wife, who can be seen hanging up the washing, threw a few pumpkin seeds on the ground and these have come up very nicely with enough pumpkins to keep the family in pumpkin pie through the coming winter. The first photo shows the southern end of the corn field only, but it includes over 2,000 plants. The field was constructed from two boxes of the Bluford Shops kit.

The farmer's wife also likes roses and she has planted a row across the front (west side) of the house as well as a rose circle in the middle of the lawn. Being all thumbs, it took me as long to plant my fake (Busch) roses as it would have to plant the roses in real life.

The farm is not yet quite complete. I have to extend my fencing westwards to the road so that the horses that will be kept in the west paddock don't wander on to the track. I also needed to add a few bits of bush here and the

On the other side of the road there is a derelict barn that was once used to store hay for the cattle there, but was replaced many decades ago by a new shed (not modelled).

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/43/4229-290816045056.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=43193)

Now that I've mostly completed my farm, I can clear up the construction rubble and run some trains once again. The following is an on board video of my entire track circuit.



As I work my way clockwise around my layout, the next big job to be tackled is the construction of my refinery.

Webbo

Title: Re: Deadwood layout - unabridged and illustrated
Post by: Bealman on August 29, 2016, 07:46:18 AM
Really cool video. Triple :thumbsup: !

The farm and barn are very nicely modelled.  :thumbsup:

George
Title: Re: Deadwood layout - unabridged and illustrated
Post by: tinyone on August 29, 2016, 07:47:47 AM
Superb Webbo loving the farm and all the pumpkins :thumbsup: he he keep the updates coming

Steve
Title: Re: Deadwood layout - unabridged and illustrated
Post by: Newportnobby on August 29, 2016, 09:59:36 AM
The farm looks great and shows the effort put into it. Smashing vid too - I certainly envy you the run length you have (nice to see the A4/MK1 rake in the fiddle yard ;))
Title: Re: Deadwood layout - unabridged and illustrated
Post by: Sprintex on August 29, 2016, 10:28:08 AM
Excellent modelling detail :thumbsup:

I do have to correct you on this though . . .

Corn is what people in the UK would call maize.

Nope, in the UK we call that type of corn "sweetcorn" or "corn on the cob"  ;)


Paul
Title: Re: Deadwood layout - unabridged and illustrated
Post by: maridunian on August 29, 2016, 10:34:57 AM
Love the farm, especially the barn. I'm very envious of the space you have, but to detail it all would take me several lifetimes!

I plan some sort of ruined small-holding buildings, and that barn's given me some ideas.

Mike
Title: Re: Deadwood layout - unabridged and illustrated
Post by: MinZaPint on August 29, 2016, 11:12:50 AM
The farm looks really good and the video is excellent, nice smooth running  :thumbsup: cheers  David
Title: Re: Deadwood layout - unabridged and illustrated
Post by: dats475 on August 29, 2016, 03:36:48 PM
Hi, Webbo.
Awesome update!
Another excellent modelling, Webbo!!
I liked the cab ride videos. When the train pass another train at siding is so realistic. A train of the length makes such a big difference, just like a real heavy duty class 1's railroad!! Bridges, a tunnel, everything well executed. I'm impressed that all of those elements are well spread out. Feel like I'm really traveling some distance!

How did you model the derelict barn? Details are amazing!!
I'm inspired! Thank you, Webbo!

Dats
Title: Re: Deadwood layout - unabridged and illustrated
Post by: Pierluc on August 29, 2016, 03:48:31 PM
  :hellosign:   :wonderfulmodelling:    :thankyousign:
Title: Re: Deadwood layout - unabridged and illustrated
Post by: Chris in Prague on August 29, 2016, 07:24:06 PM
Thanks for an excellent video showing some very nice railroad modelling.
Title: Re: Deadwood layout - unabridged and illustrated
Post by: port perran on August 29, 2016, 07:49:40 PM
Great modelling.
I love the farm.
Title: Re: Deadwood layout - unabridged and illustrated
Post by: cornish yorkie on August 29, 2016, 10:30:05 PM
 :hellosign: Love it all Webbo really  :greatpicturessign: & superb video of your excellent modelling  :thumbsup:
regards Derek.
Title: Re: Deadwood layout - unabridged and illustrated
Post by: Webbo on August 30, 2016, 12:18:08 AM
Thank you all for your compliments.

Maridunian - it is taking me quite a while (years) to do all of this - the downside of constructing a biggish layout I'm afraid, and I'm not very quick at making things.

Dats - the derelict bar is a kit by  BranchLine LaserArt as is the farm house. 

Webbo
Title: Re: Deadwood layout - unabridged and illustrated
Post by: texhorse on August 30, 2016, 08:25:17 AM
I can only echo what everyone else has said Webbo, Excellent!

Do you have an upper level as well?  Looks like there's another layout above this one in some views....?

Andy
UK
Title: Re: Deadwood layout - unabridged and illustrated
Post by: Webbo on August 30, 2016, 09:35:36 AM
Thanks Andy

Yes, I have a 'layout' at an upper level, but it is only track circuits with no scenery. Mainly designed to keep me happy while I was building my main N scale layout below. On the upper level I have a G scale circuit, an HO circuit with a siding, and an N scale circuit with 2 sidings. I have two G scale locomotives - an SD40-2 that blows exhaust smoke and a White Pass & Yukon Railway 4-6-0 with Walschaert valve gear that I love to watch. I wanted this stuff in the back yard, but my wife won't have it. On the HO/OO track, I run my Trix Twin Britannia and Class 5 that I had when I was a kid, a Hornby Flying Scotsman with train, and my Rapido passenger train, the Canadian.

I have to admit that I like all model railway scales - each has its pluses and minuses.

Webbo
 
Title: Re: Deadwood layout - unabridged and illustrated
Post by: Bob Tidbury on August 30, 2016, 09:52:03 AM
As I'm a definately RULE ONE MAN  The Canadian in N gauge would be a fantastic train to run on my layout sometimes ,as said in previous posts I had ALLWAYS wanted to go To Canada and my son Glenn treated us to two weeks in Lake Loise and Calgary unfortunately it was the worst winter they had for years and although they enjoyed the skiing we didn't get to do a lot , but the coach Trip from Calgary down to Lake Loise and back was amazing ,if we ever win the lottery I would love a trip on the Canadian AND The Rocky Mountaineer which would be another great  train in N gauge .
WE CAN ALL DREAM CANT WE.
BOB
Title: Re: Deadwood layout - unabridged and illustrated
Post by: texhorse on August 30, 2016, 10:45:25 AM
I've seen film of the Rocky Mountaineer Bob, and it looks like something I need to do as well.  It's on my bucket list.

Andy
UK
Title: Re: Deadwood layout - unabridged and illustrated
Post by: Vonzack on August 30, 2016, 11:39:07 AM
Excellent modelling, the track bed and scenery is excellent.
Title: Re: Deadwood layout - unabridged and illustrated
Post by: Milton Rail on September 03, 2016, 08:49:02 AM
Superb modelling Webbo, been a treat on a Saturday morning at work to go through your thread, downside is I can't watch the video's!

Been educational as well reading your "how I did it" updates too.

Cheers,
Andrew
Title: Re: Deadwood layout - unabridged and illustrated
Post by: daveg on September 03, 2016, 11:47:50 AM
Just caught up with the August vid.

Brilliant and such smooth running on what is obviously beautifully laid track.

Makes my efforts look a bit, well, not anywhere near as good. Must try harder!

Really impressed, Webbo! Look forward to seeing a lot more.  :thumbsup:

Dave G
Title: Re: Deadwood layout - unabridged and illustrated
Post by: Webbo on September 04, 2016, 02:38:29 AM
Thanks Dave and others

The smooth running is not so much down to me and my tracklaying as to the Kato SD40-2 that is pushing my camera car. This loco has dual fly wheels and 12-wheel pickup and will run smoothly over dirt.

Andrew, I'm wondering why you can't see the videos. They are just regular Youtube clips - nothing fancy or unusual.

Webbo
Title: Re: Deadwood layout - unabridged and illustrated
Post by: Milton Rail on September 04, 2016, 07:23:49 AM

Andrew, I'm wondering why you can't see the videos. They are just regular Youtube clips - nothing fancy or unusual.

Webbo

Its a company policy... partly to remind people they should be working, partly because we hang off a ropey satellite connection with a lowish bandwidth, and things like youtube etc. really hit the speed!
Title: Re: Deadwood layout - unabridged and illustrated
Post by: Webbo on December 11, 2016, 09:41:27 AM
hello folks

Dats and Texhorse have both asked me for updates, but I'm afraid I'm going to have to ask you a question instead. I know that I haven't had any problems dishing out my opinion to others on this forum, but I'm facing an existential crisis of my own at the moment and I'm looking for guidance from all of you this time.

Over the last 3 months, I have been spending my time on building structures for the refinery that I planned to install in the northeast corner of my layout. Over the last few weeks I have been beginning to doubt whether this is a good idea considering the circumstances. Basically, there are two problems 1) there are no refineries in the region that my layout is loosely based upon and 2) the space I have is too small to provide any kind of even miniscule justice to a real refinery. I can't even say that the refinery bit I've got is just the front section of a bigger refinery as my my mainlines run past either side of it.

The space I have and the main components that I would include in the refinery complex are:
1) Walthers North Island refinery kit that some of you already know I'm sure (2/3 built)
2) 2x Walthers oil storage tanks (built)
3) Traincat tankcar loading platform (built)
4) Walthers oil distribution depot (not even started)
5) 3x Plastruct oil tanks (not even started, but should be a piece of cake)

The following photos show the space I have with the first 3 items in place and the foundation of 4. Note the refinery kit is not yet complete as I'm replacing its ladders and railings with finer detailed brass etchings. The refinery and all the other stuff going with it is going to look pretty good, but that does not justify its presence.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/46/4229-111216085003.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=46241)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/46/4229-111216085322.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=46242)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/46/4229-111216091824.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=46248)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/46/4229-111216092504.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=46249)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/46/4229-111216092757.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=46250)

Basically, I would like you guys and gals to tell me that I should cut this enterprise short despite the large amount of time I've already spent on it. In its place I'm thinking scrapyard/junkyard as these are much less pretentious than a refinery and would better fit the space. Typically they are located at the edge of Canadian towns so the location is right, and I think they can be made to look pretty cool with the myriad of stuff one can put in them. Or option C is to dispense with the refinery and turn it into an oil distribution depot or option D I can turn the space into a small grove of trees.

At the moment, I'm taking a break from model building and am properly installing my very modest CD player and speakers. Up to now, they have just been sitting on my upper level track. Next task is fitting my controllers for my upper level tracks (N, HO, and G gauges) and then I will putting in the screen separating my town area from my fiddle yard. At the moment, I'm quite enjoying playing with equipment that makes a lot of noise and is capable of removing a finger in a lightning flash with no pain.

Andy and Dats, I apologise for not providing any videos with this post let alone videos of the super standards of you guys. But, watch this space - a video or two is coming. But, it'll be something a bit different from what has preceded it.

Webbo







Title: Re: Deadwood layout - unabridged and illustrated
Post by: cornish yorkie on December 11, 2016, 02:30:25 PM
 :hellosign: IMO the refinery looks too good to lose
    regards Derek.
Title: Re: Deadwood layout - unabridged and illustrated
Post by: Newportnobby on December 11, 2016, 04:21:18 PM
Not sure my opinion is worth much as, here in Blighty, we are used to shoehorning stuff into tight spaces. I think it would be a shame if your hard work went to waste but really only those who know the space available in North America can make a case for its removal. Again, in the UK, we have scrapyards crammed into small spaces. One of the best I've seen is on an N gauge layout 'Barton Road' should you need some ideas...........
Title: Re: Deadwood layout - unabridged and illustrated
Post by: Webbo on December 11, 2016, 10:09:36 PM
Thank you both for your replies.

NPN, that is a nice scrapyard in the clip you've provided. Space may very well be more of a premium in UK towns than in Canadian towns, but that does not mean that models of the former need to look crammed. The scrapyard shown in the video is a case in point. It is not very big, but on the other hand it has about the right degree of spreading out to invoke an image in my mind of the real thing. With my refinery, I'm not so concerned about it being much smaller in area than your typical refinery, but rather that I'll wind up with the crammed look.

Webbo
Title: Re: Deadwood layout - unabridged and illustrated
Post by: dats475 on December 12, 2016, 03:29:59 AM
Hi Webbo.

Thank you for the update.
I would say you should keep the refinery. You did such a great job on it. If you can't move it to somewhere else you should keep it there. The ladder and a shell decal are perfect looking!!! I'm jealous!
You don't need to glue them until you're satisfied. That way you can change it later if you want.
I don't know a balance of the entire layout but I don't think it will be crammed look.
That's my opinion.
Man! What a great modelling. A scale size parts make a huge difference!!  More pictures please!!

Dats
Title: Re: Deadwood layout - unabridged and illustrated
Post by: tinyone on December 12, 2016, 08:28:23 AM
Hi Webbo,
Had to study the pictures a few times but as has been said elsewhere I think the refinery should stay as you have made a great job of it so far and if you have all the rolling stock (tankers) then keep it but I'm also thinking of some change to my layout so maybe its a time of year thing

Best wishes
Steve
Title: Re: Deadwood layout - unabridged and illustrated
Post by: grumbeast on December 12, 2016, 09:17:05 AM
Hi Webbo,


  I used to to live in Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, and we have a refinery there that was rail-served.  I know where you are coming from in that you wont have enough space but the thing is, I doubt anyone would have the space so selective compression is inevitable.  Ours was small as refineries  go and it still took up a huge amount of space.

Personally I like the scrapyard idea, again I have a real life example to draw on, I worked in Truro, NS, and opposite the station there was a scrap dealer that did a few carload,
It doesn't take up much room and would look very appropriate.  This one was in the middle of town, but there's no reason why it couldn't be on the edge too

I have some pics from google earth I'll try and upload if you are interested, or here's the link to the overhead

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/place/Truro,+NS,+Canada/@45.362587,-63.2721246,420m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0x4b594fcf093b81a7:0x3896ccf871a7b76e!8m2!3d45.3657733!4d-63.2869407 (https://www.google.co.uk/maps/place/Truro,+NS,+Canada/@45.362587,-63.2721246,420m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0x4b594fcf093b81a7:0x3896ccf871a7b76e!8m2!3d45.3657733!4d-63.2869407)

Cheers

 G
Title: Re: Deadwood layout - unabridged and illustrated
Post by: Webbo on December 13, 2016, 07:25:20 AM
That is a fine looking scrapyard, Graham.

I've become a connoisseur of scrapyards in the last few weeks. Opinion seems to be running slightly in favour of me keeping the refinery. I very much appreciate everyone's comments on my dilemma and I'm taking all suggestions on board. To be honest, a final decision has not been made and I've decided to put it off until I have a plan for the 'town' area of my layout. For the latter, I'm thinking of a station depot which is basically a waiting room beside the track (much more modest than the typical UK station) and on the other side I'm planning a grain silo serviced by a siding (or maybe two). In between, there will be a couple of fast food joints, a gas (petrol) station, and a motel. Depending on how room pans out, I may be able to fit a transport depot served by a siding, but we'll see.

Steve, you've been a bit quiet lately. How's progress on your layout?

Webbo
Title: Re: Deadwood layout - unabridged and illustrated
Post by: tinyone on December 13, 2016, 08:13:29 AM


Steve, you've been a bit quiet lately. How's progress on your layout?

Webbo

Hi Webbo,
We are having lots of work done on the real house and decided to redecorate get rid of lots of stuff etc so virtually nothings been done on the layout for about 2 months but I have been busy buying stuff I'll chuck some piccies up soon but I got me 2 diesels 1 Rock Island GP18 and a G.Northern Orange Green one with 3 coaches I also won an auction in the states for 18 wagons then sold 7 that I didn't need and I won an auction in Canada on Sunday for lots of bits and pieces buildings track etc and finally yesterday got me some more Just Plug stuff and I'm hoping to be back on the layout possibly today or tomorrow and quite honestly I can't wait as I'm fed up decorating but its mostly done now

Best wishes
Steve
Title: Re: Deadwood layout - unabridged and illustrated
Post by: grumbeast on December 13, 2016, 10:53:10 AM
That is a fine looking scrapyard, Graham.

I've become a connoisseur of scrapyards in the last few weeks. Opinion seems to be running slightly in favour of me keeping the refinery. I very much appreciate everyone's comments on my dilemma and I'm taking all suggestions on board. To be honest, a final decision has not been made and I've decided to put it off until I have a plan for the 'town' area of my layout. For the latter, I'm thinking of a station depot which is basically a waiting room beside the track (much more modest than the typical UK station) and on the other side I'm planning a grain silo serviced by a siding (or maybe two). In between, there will be a couple of fast food joints, a gas (petrol) station, and a motel. Depending on how room pans out, I may be able to fit a transport depot served by a siding, but we'll see.


Thanks, thought that would be a good one to model as its modest, out in the open and eminently modelable (new word!)

A lot of depots in Canada hark back to busier days so can be quite fancy looking but still occupy a small area.  The one in Truro frankly is ugly as its the back of a stripmall.  Its made a lot more interesting by a mosaic thats been painted along it by one of my former employees.  Anyhow, I'm off topic.  Are you planning on a modern depot or a left-over interesting one?  is it going to be Via rail or CN / CPR ?  sorry if I'm asking stupid questions I'm just modelling vicariously through you until we've moved back and I can start again!

Just re-read the thread and you answered my questions, I need to keep up.  Also it looks like Salmon Arm is top of the list for our move locations right now so smack back where your modelling pretty much (a bit further east maybe)!
Title: Re: Deadwood layout - unabridged and illustrated
Post by: mr magnolia on December 13, 2016, 07:21:47 PM
Webbo

I understand your concern about things that don't quite fit in, but I would support the view that says well, I made it and I have it, so its in!  It doesn't have to stay forever, and its your product, so why not enjoy it until something else comes to mind?

Maybe its a little like this slightly unexpected picture from Railpictures.net:(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/46/201-131216191342.jpeg)

and anyway, with all this fracking chat at the minute, who's to say what madness was tried in days gone by?

PS - whats with being over here on the forum?  I only found this by accident!

 :)

Donald
Title: Re: Deadwood layout - unabridged and illustrated
Post by: Webbo on December 13, 2016, 10:38:50 PM
Graham, my modelling is based VERY loosely on the region to the west of Salmon Arm. somewhere around Kamloops perhaps. My sister in Salmon Arm tells me she is getting a real winter so far - something to do with the Polar Vortex breaking out southwards across North America.

Donald, that picture you posted shows railspotter's dream houses. Imagine sitting there on the back deck with a mint julep in hand and having GP38-2s rolling by within 30'.

Webbo
Title: Re: Deadwood layout - unabridged and illustrated
Post by: Milton Rail on December 14, 2016, 08:19:54 AM
I would fall in with the "keep the refinery" group.... would be a shame to lose such a good piece of work - I like your loading platform too, I haven't seen that one before I don't think.  Having spent many years in the Grangemouth refinery, these older UK refineries used to grow in stages and absorbed the surroundings (for instance a significant public road passes thorough the middle of the petrochemical plant there and there are private houses within half a mile of major processing units) .... is it an option to have a pipe bridge over the track at the back.... suggesting that the unit you have modelled is an outlying unit but part of a greater refinery?

The UK HSE executive would have a heart attack with those long vertical ladders though.... there should be a landing stage every 3-4m .... although it is a Shell facility... so I would be quite happy to see the opposition in hot water :)
Title: Re: Deadwood layout - unabridged and illustrated
Post by: Webbo on December 16, 2016, 03:43:09 AM

The UK HSE executive would have a heart attack with those long vertical ladders though.... there should be a landing stage every 3-4m .... although it is a Shell facility... so I would be quite happy to see the opposition in hot water :)

The plastic ladders on the Walthers refinery kit as it comes have no safety cages around them and their rungs scale to almost 6" thick so how about these as a safety issue? I'm replacing these with caged industrial ladders by Gold Medal Models (brass) that have a scaled rung thickness of 1.5" - a bit bigger than ideal, but much easier to climb I expect.

Webbo 
Title: Re: Deadwood layout - unabridged and illustrated
Post by: Bealman on December 16, 2016, 05:24:02 AM
Far and away too good a model not to use. Put it in there mate!

As for a grove of trees, forget it. If you were going to change it, make a brewery  ;) :beers:

Stick with your first decision, Ian. Far too good a model not to use.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Deadwood layout - unabridged and illustrated
Post by: Milton Rail on December 16, 2016, 06:24:39 AM

The UK HSE executive would have a heart attack with those long vertical ladders though.... there should be a landing stage every 3-4m .... although it is a Shell facility... so I would be quite happy to see the opposition in hot water :)

The plastic ladders on the Walthers refinery kit as it comes have no safety cages around them and their rungs scale to almost 6" thick so how about these as a safety issue? I'm replacing these with caged industrial ladders by Gold Medal Models (brass) that have a scaled rung thickness of 1.5" - a bit bigger than ideal, but much easier to climb I expect.

Webbo

he he, very true - I just went with the ladders supplied (so far) when I put mine together... I did get some ladders & cages from shapeways... will replace them once we get our first visit from the executive :) 
Title: Re: Deadwood layout - unabridged and illustrated
Post by: maridunian on December 16, 2016, 03:58:53 PM
... the space I have is too small to provide any kind of even miniscule justice to a real refinery.

... the main components that I would include in the refinery complex are:
1) Walthers North Island refinery kit that some of you already know I'm sure (2/3 built)
2) 2x Walthers oil storage tanks (built)
3) Traincat tankcar loading platform (built)
4) Walthers oil distribution depot (not even started)
5) 3x Plastruct oil tanks (not even started, but should be a piece of cake)
:
Or option C is to dispense with the refinery and turn it into an oil distribution depot
:


I'd go with your Option C. A distribution depot can be any size; the terminal facilities (2 bogie tank-car lengths) are modest enough to be believable almost anywhere.

Here's an interesting article about compression/cropping for realism - basically reminds us less is more (plausible).

http://lancemindheim.com/2015/12/scene-composition-2/ (http://lancemindheim.com/2015/12/scene-composition-2/)

Mike
Title: Re: Deadwood layout - unabridged and illustrated
Post by: Webbo on December 17, 2016, 08:10:30 AM
Mike

I've seen this website before, but thank you for reminding me of it. It really does cut to the heart of my dilemma. For realism, less is more I know. But, the pipes and structures of a refinery really do look good. However it certainly doesn't follow that I should include scenic elements just because I spent a lot of time constructing them. So, I'm going to let the whole issue digest and do some other things on my layout for a while.

Having said this, I quite enjoy looking at other layouts that are severely congested in some cases resembling a nest of writhing snakes when the trains are running, but that is not the impression I want to convey with my layout. One of the wonderful things about this hobby of ours is that there are many interpretations of what is most desirable in a layout.

Webbo
Title: Re: Deadwood layout - unabridged and illustrated
Post by: mr magnolia on December 17, 2016, 08:45:34 AM
I love some of the stuff on that guy's website and there is great advice there.  To me,  it's a little bit like gardening shows - if you get to do a lot of gardens, or rail layouts, you can afford to aim for the very 'best'/realistic gardens/scenes as you will then move on to do another type as well, and not miss out on any aspect.

For most of us, we have to try and fit 'everything' into one space and as Lance Mindheim reminds us, deciding what 'everything' is, is key to arriving at the most realistic scenes.  Pure realism is different again to arriving at your own 'best' scene of course!

Happy thinking. :)

Donald
Title: Re: Deadwood layout - unabridged and illustrated
Post by: Bealman on December 17, 2016, 09:54:31 AM
Less is better, but Webbo has some wonderful country scenery on his layout, and an industrial scene will be a nice balance.
Title: Re: Deadwood layout - unabridged and illustrated
Post by: Webbo on December 18, 2016, 02:26:49 AM
For most of us, we have to try and fit 'everything' into one space and as Lance Mindheim reminds us, deciding what 'everything' is, is key to arriving at the most realistic scenes.  Pure realism is different again to arriving at your own 'best' scene of course!


I think almost all of us who don't have a basement to house a layout will inevitably be subject to horizontal compression of real scenes. Think curves that are much tighter than real curves, shorter trains than real trains, rapid transitions between towns and the countryside, It's up to our imaginations to uncompress the model into something that looks sort of real to us. But as Donald suggests, pure realism is not necessarily the objective anyway.

As Donald notes, there is other interesting stuff on Lance Mindheim's website too.

Webbo
Title: Re: Deadwood layout - unabridged and illustrated
Post by: keithbythe sea on December 18, 2016, 04:52:33 PM
Hi Webbo,

for what it's worth my vote is to keep the refinery stuff that you have. Maybe some mind-games with the back-scene to make it look bigger than it really is. I do agree with the idea of working on another part of the layout whilst you have a good think. I'm doing much more of the latter now than I am semi-retired. Modern life is just too much (fast) pace... ;D

Title: Re: Deadwood layout - unabridged and illustrated
Post by: Webbo on December 24, 2016, 08:47:58 AM
Merry Christmas to those who are reading this post and to those who are not.

It's Christmas Eve here in Oz so I thought I'd get a quick post in before Santa comes down the gas exhaust flue tomorrow morning. I've taken a rest from my refinery dilemma and am doing some other things including painting my fascia boards. I'd always thought a medium grey for these, but as soon as I'd painted half of them I knew I could do better. Second try was a lighter shade of grey and finally I have settled on a shade that was even lighter and seemed to match the scenery best..

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/46/4229-241216080357.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=46588)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/46/4229-241216082319.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=46591)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/46/4229-241216084301.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=46592)

Take home message - the colour of the fascia board will impact on the appearance of your layout and deserves careful thought.

By this time tomorrow Xmas will be all over for us here in Oz, but will be just getting underway in Europe and still being dreamed about in North America. No matter what time zone you're I wish you all have a great day.

The prospect of snow for us is not looking good for us tomorrow as we have a 31 degree forecast - Celsius that is.

Webbo




Title: Re: Deadwood layout - unabridged and illustrated
Post by: robert shrives on December 24, 2016, 11:22:01 AM
 :greatpicturessign:

A good choice to go lighter - it is but a tone away from the main rock colour behind so add to size of scene rather than a seismic split to another world.

Festive gleetings as well, hope temp suits you fine, its wet and windy here in Brum and about 8 degress - which is cold an any money !

Robert 
Title: Re: Deadwood layout - unabridged and illustrated
Post by: dats475 on December 25, 2016, 12:31:57 AM
Merry Christmas, Webbo!!

Thank you for the Peco points information.

The fascia colour is quite attractive. It looks like a part of the scenery.
Very natural looking!!
Your sense of colors always impress me, Webbo.
Have a wonderful Christmas!!

Dats
Title: Re: Deadwood layout - unabridged and illustrated
Post by: texhorse on January 01, 2017, 10:22:01 PM
Merry Christmas Webbo.  Darn too late.  Ok, well Happy New Year.  Oops missed that one as well!

 :worried:

I have to admit that fascias are a bit of an enigma to me.  I like your lightest shade on yours.  My fascia is actually the edge of the board, with the DCC power bus hotglued to it, for ease of use.  Over this, I have put drapes, or in my case an Indiana flag, an Ohio flag and a Stars and Stripes.  If I get bored of these, I also have a piece of red material with little Stars and Stripes all over it.

To me, finishing the edges of a layout is as important as what's on the layout itself.  It should not detract from the layout but should be smart and maybe even hide some unruly elements; in my case, the power bus.

Happy Easter.

Andy
UK
Title: Re: Deadwood layout - unabridged and illustrated
Post by: Webbo on January 01, 2017, 11:30:36 PM
Happy Easter to you too, Andy
and a belated Happy New Year.

It's not far away - after all our local super market has just begun selling Easter buns!

Webbo
Title: Re: Deadwood layout - unabridged and illustrated
Post by: Bealman on January 02, 2017, 12:26:59 AM
Thumbs up from Bealman on the fascia colour.   :thumbsup:

Sets the layout off nicely.
Title: Re: Deadwood layout - unabridged and illustrated
Post by: tinyone on January 02, 2017, 09:19:24 AM
Happy Easter to you too, Andy
and a belated Happy New Year.

It's not far away - after all our local super market has just begun selling Easter buns!

Webbo
And I've just seen an ad on tv for Christmas 2017!!!!!!!! no wonder time goes so fast, and the fascia's a great colour but also putting up the US flags hmmmmm there's an idea
 belated new year wishes to all
Steve
Title: Re: Deadwood layout - unabridged and illustrated
Post by: keithbythe sea on January 03, 2017, 09:45:25 PM
Happy Easter to you too, Andy
and a belated Happy New Year.

It's not far away - after all our local super market has just begun selling Easter buns!

Webbo

Happy Easter Webb, we eat hot cross buns all year round  :D

Good to hear that you are resting from the refinery dilemma. Do like the lighter fascia colour.
Title: Re: Deadwood layout - unabridged and illustrated
Post by: Steamie+ on January 04, 2017, 07:15:42 AM
Merry Christmas to those who are reading this post and to those who are not.

It's Christmas Eve here in Oz so I thought I'd get a quick post in before Santa comes down the gas exhaust flue tomorrow morning. I've taken a rest from my refinery dilemma and am doing some other things including painting my fascia boards. I'd always thought a medium grey for these, but as soon as I'd painted half of them I knew I could do better. Second try was a lighter shade of grey and finally I have settled on a shade that was even lighter and seemed to match the scenery best..

([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/46/4229-241216080357.jpeg[/url]) ([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=46588[/url])

([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/46/4229-241216082319.jpeg[/url]) ([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=46591[/url])

([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/46/4229-241216084301.jpeg[/url]) ([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=46592[/url])

Take home message - the colour of the fascia board will impact on the appearance of your layout and deserves careful thought.

By this time tomorrow Xmas will be all over for us here in Oz, but will be just getting underway in Europe and still being dreamed about in North America. No matter what time zone you're I wish you all have a great day.

The prospect of snow for us is not looking good for us tomorrow as we have a 31 degree forecast - Celsius that is.

Webbo


 :hellosign: I have just seen your thread, itís taking me ages to read all the threads and the info that goes with them. I have found your layout to be extremely brilliant, having viewed your videos on the cameras, for which i will reply to. Your scenery is brilliant, i also use foam for my scenery and i find like you that you can add and take away to your hearts content until it looks right, but i have even painted and put trees and stuff on and still i added to and taken away. I suppose it is personal choice. Thank you for a great thread.   :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Deadwood layout - abridged and illustrated
Post by: Webbo on January 08, 2017, 03:33:39 AM
Hello folks

A progress report from Deadwood. I still havenít made a decision on the refinery, but have been doing some other things in the meantime including painting my fascia boards, constructing extensive shelf space (still not enough), fitted my CD player, and installing a control station for my upper level track rings. Much of this is all about getting things off the floor and off the parts of my layout that will be under construction soon. Here is a photo showing the CD + speakers installation, some of the new shelving (already filled), and the upper level control station. The section of the upper level platform that the strings are attached to can used to raise that section like a drawbridge if necessary (rarely).

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/47/4229-080117031954.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=47077)

Deadwood in the sky has 3 track rings: a G gauge ring, an HO/OO ring (+ 1 siding), and an N scale ring with 2 sidings. These are what one might call minimalist layouts, but then I enjoy watching trains go round and round (and round and round, andÖ).. The G gauge ring needs a 10 amp controller, but the other 2 are controlled by an MRC Tech 6 2.0 which can be switched between DC and DCC.

Here is my Bachmann White Pass and Yukon Route ten-wheeler going round its track. The real WP & Y R was built in 1898 as a 3í gauge railroad to carry gold miners between Skagway, Alaska and White Horse, Yukon Territory during the Klondike gold rush.



The HO/OO tracks carry several trains including the Rapido ĎCanadianí passenger train seen in the above video, a Hornby Flying Scotsman train, and a couple of 50-year old Trix Twin locos (Britannia + Class 5) with trains. The Hornby loco and coaches are top notch in detail, but the Rapido Canadian really is museum quality. You future Rapido Pendolino owners are in for a real treat. The bars you can see on top of the FP9As are for breaking off icicles in the prototype so they donít smash the windows of the dome cars.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/47/4229-080117032203.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=47078)

Not exactly N scale. Hope that youíre all off to a good start in 2017.

Webbo
Title: Re: Deadwood layout - unabridged and illustrated
Post by: Bealman on January 08, 2017, 04:54:14 AM
Magic stuff, Ian.  :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Deadwood layout - unabridged and illustrated
Post by: Newportnobby on January 08, 2017, 10:08:37 AM
The way you have filmed it with the camera keeping track is excellent.
Title: Re: Deadwood layout - unabridged and illustrated
Post by: Chris in Prague on January 08, 2017, 11:35:39 AM
Thanks for the updates and photos. What a great space you have for your model railways and some very interesting and attractive rolling stock to run, too.
Title: Re: Deadwood layout - unabridged and illustrated
Post by: keithbythe sea on January 08, 2017, 01:28:22 PM
 :greatpicturessign: Webbo.

Nice high level tour of the man cave too.  :D
Title: Re: Deadwood layout - unabridged and illustrated
Post by: cornish yorkie on January 08, 2017, 09:57:39 PM
 :hellosign: Really superb video Webbo, thanks for sharing
    regards Derek.
Title: Re: Deadwood layout - abridged and illustrated
Post by: Steamie+ on January 09, 2017, 06:25:20 AM
Hello folks

A progress report from Deadwood. I still havenít made a decision on the refinery, but have been doing some other things in the meantime including painting my fascia boards, constructing extensive shelf space (still not enough), fitted my CD player, and installing a control station for my upper level track rings. Much of this is all about getting things off the floor and off the parts of my layout that will be under construction soon. Here is a photo showing the CD + speakers installation, some of the new shelving (already filled), and the upper level control station. The section of the upper level platform that the strings are attached to can used to raise that section like a drawbridge if necessary (rarely).

([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/47/4229-080117031954.jpeg[/url]) ([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=47077[/url])

Deadwood in the sky has 3 track rings: a G gauge ring, an HO/OO ring (+ 1 siding), and an N scale ring with 2 sidings. These are what one might call minimalist layouts, but then I enjoy watching trains go round and round (and round and round, andÖ).. The G gauge ring needs a 10 amp controller, but the other 2 are controlled by an MRC Tech 6 2.0 which can be switched between DC and DCC.

Here is my Bachmann White Pass and Yukon Route ten-wheeler going round its track. The real WP & Y R was built in 1898 as a 3í gauge railroad to carry gold miners between Skagway, Alaska and White Horse, Yukon Territory during the Klondike gold rush.



The HO/OO tracks carry several trains including the Rapido ĎCanadianí passenger train seen in the above video, a Hornby Flying Scotsman train, and a couple of 50-year old Trix Twin locos (Britannia + Class 5) with trains. The Hornby loco and coaches are top notch in detail, but the Rapido Canadian really is museum quality. You future Rapido Pendolino owners are in for a real treat. The bars you can see on top of the FP9As are for breaking off icicles in the prototype so they donít smash the windows of the dome cars.

([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/47/4229-080117032203.jpeg[/url]) ([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=47078[/url])

Not exactly N scale. Hope that youíre all off to a good start in 2017.

Webbo


Wow that is a  :superb layout: it got my heart fluttering in a nice way seeing and hearing your G train.  :thankyousign: for posting it and can we have some more please.      :beers:
Title: Re: Deadwood layout - unabridged and illustrated
Post by: Webbo on February 01, 2017, 12:17:10 AM
Hello folks

Not much progress on Deadwood, but I have been beavering away on things to do with it.

The major piece remaining on the layout is the right hand (eastern) side which will be centred on town/industrial activities. The shape available is sort of tear dropped lying between my fiddle yard and the main line. I havenít decided on exactly what I want in this space except that it will include a depot building on the main line as well as a spur to a grain elevator.

The planning system being used is CARD (as does Dats 475) which is held down by pins and on which I will draw my roads etc. Besides the depot and the elevator I intend to include in this space at least two fast food outlets (Dairy Queen &  Dís Diner) as well as the Sunset Motel. I will build these kits first and then decide exactly where theyíll go by moving them around. So far Iíve built the grain elevator. In the following photos, it's not necessarily in its final position:

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/48/4229-310117232941.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=48164)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/48/4229-310117233542.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=48165)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/48/4229-310117234048.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=48166)

The elevator is the older of the two Walther kits now available. Itís a fairly simple kit, but threw up some challenges just the same. Some lessons learned:

1. The styrene plastic is not great for taking paint especially acrylics so spray painting with enamel primer is advisable. However, donít do this with when the air temperature is 38 C as I tried. The paint mostly dried before it hit the surface.

2. Fresh CA cement is good for putting the kit together. Old cement (year +) doesnít work so well as I found out the hard way.

3. A simple jig consisting of a square sided post mounted on a small flat board as shown below was useful for getting the sides of the building at right angles to each other and vertical when gluing.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/48/4229-310117235314.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=48167)

Overall, the kit is of decent quality. The sides of the elevator building glued together closely with only tiny gaps, but the silo bins were a bit distorted. I glued these as close together as I could but Tamiya filler was required to fill gaps that remained.

Walthers suggests that you paint the elevator white to reflect the sun as in the real thing, but I don't ever remember seeing a white one. In my mind, concrete elevators are concrete coloured. Therein lies a problem that others have mentioned in this forum; that is, how to get concrete coloured paint. Woodland Scenics has a concrete colour as part of their road system top coat as well as one of their earth colour pigments. Neither look much like the concrete I've ever seen. The top coat appears to me as light yellow with a brownish tinge. However, I painted this stuff on and it worked very well as a first coat over the enamel primer. Then I sprayed on a dilute solution of Woodland Scenics slate grey until I achieved something that resembled a concrete colour to me at least.

Webbo




Title: Re: Deadwood layout - unabridged and illustrated
Post by: daveg on February 01, 2017, 06:20:54 AM
Thanks for the detailed update, Webbo.

The kit does look good.

Re painting the elevators white, here's a link to the Shredded Wheat factory here in Welwyn Garden City, my old home town.

http://www.c20society.org.uk/news/threat-to-demolish-shredded-wheat-silos/ (http://www.c20society.org.uk/news/threat-to-demolish-shredded-wheat-silos/)

Dave G
Title: Re: Deadwood layout - unabridged and illustrated
Post by: Steamie+ on February 01, 2017, 07:21:48 AM
Hello folks

Not much progress on Deadwood, but I have been beavering away on things to do with it.

The major piece remaining on the layout is the right hand (eastern) side which will be centred on town/industrial activities. The shape available is sort of tear dropped lying between my fiddle yard and the main line. I havenít decided on exactly what I want in this space except that it will include a depot building on the main line as well as a spur to a grain elevator.

The planning system being used is CARD (as does Dats 475) which is held down by pins and on which I will draw my roads etc. Besides the depot and the elevator I intend to include in this space at least two fast food outlets (Dairy Queen &  Dís Diner) as well as the Sunset Motel. I will build these kits first and then decide exactly where theyíll go by moving them around. So far Iíve built the grain elevator. In the following photos, it's not necessarily in its final position:

([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/48/4229-310117232941.jpeg[/url]) ([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=48164[/url])

([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/48/4229-310117233542.jpeg[/url]) ([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=48165[/url])

([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/48/4229-310117234048.jpeg[/url]) ([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=48166[/url])

The elevator is the older of the two Walther kits now available. Itís a fairly simple kit, but threw up some challenges just the same. Some lessons learned:

1. The styrene plastic is not great for taking paint especially acrylics so spray painting with enamel primer is advisable. However, donít do this with when the air temperature is 38 C as I tried. The paint mostly dried before it hit the surface.

2. Fresh CA cement is good for putting the kit together. Old cement (year +) doesnít work so well as I found out the hard way.

3. A simple jig consisting of a square sided post mounted on a small flat board as shown below was useful for getting the sides of the building at right angles to each other and vertical when gluing.

([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/48/4229-310117235314.jpeg[/url]) ([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=48167[/url])

Overall, the kit is of decent quality. The sides of the elevator building glued together closely with only tiny gaps, but the silo bins were a bit distorted. I glued these as close together as I could but Tamiya filler was required to fill gaps that remained.

Walthers suggests that you paint the elevator white to reflect the sun as in the real thing, but I don't ever remember seeing a white one. In my mind, concrete elevators are concrete coloured. Therein lies a problem that others have mentioned in this forum; that is, how to get concrete coloured paint. Woodland Scenics has a concrete colour as part of their road system top coat as well as one of their earth colour pigments. Neither look much like the concrete I've ever seen. The top coat appears to me as light yellow with a brownish tinge. However, I painted this stuff on and it worked very well as a first coat over the enamel primer. Then I sprayed on a dilute solution of Woodland Scenics slate grey until I achieved something that resembled a concrete colour to me at least.

Webbo


Looks great for me and the size of your layout is amazing. Some companies when laying concrete did add colour to it sometimes for customers, i have seen in my time driveways with coloured concrete, but it didnít really take off here. Please show more has you progress Webbo, really love your layout.    :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Deadwood layout - unabridged and illustrated
Post by: Newportnobby on February 01, 2017, 09:47:29 AM
The grain elevator looks very good.
If you have a lot of kits to build you might want to consider buying some of these. A little expensive but having seen them in operation they are very good.........

http://www.yorkmodelmaking.co.uk/yorks-magnetic-mates-box-set-3 (http://www.yorkmodelmaking.co.uk/yorks-magnetic-mates-box-set-3)
Title: Re: Deadwood layout - unabridged and illustrated
Post by: Innovationgame on February 01, 2017, 11:53:55 AM
yorkmodelmaking.co.uk is in the Google index, but the none of the links work.
Title: Re: Deadwood layout - unabridged and illustrated
Post by: Yet_Another on February 01, 2017, 11:59:10 AM
yorkmodelmaking.co.uk is in the Google index, but the none of the links work.
I just followed Mick's link and there was this banner across the top of the page:

We will be carrying out planned maintenance work on our website on 1st and 2nd of February 2017. This website may be offline or not function correctly during the update on these dates, we apologise for any inconvenience.
Title: Re: Deadwood layout - unabridged and illustrated
Post by: Newportnobby on February 01, 2017, 12:12:07 PM
I must have got lucky as I had their site open in a separate tab when I posted at 09.47
Title: Re: Deadwood layout - unabridged and illustrated
Post by: maridunian on February 01, 2017, 12:49:51 PM
However, donít do this with when the air temperature is 38 C

Nice problem to have!

The elevator's really impressive - agree you've got the concrete a convincing shade.

Mike
Title: Re: Deadwood layout - unabridged and illustrated
Post by: Webbo on February 01, 2017, 07:29:56 PM
The grain elevator looks very good.
If you have a lot of kits to build you might want to consider buying some of these. A little expensive but having seen them in operation they are very good.........

[url]http://www.yorkmodelmaking.co.uk/yorks-magnetic-mates-box-set-3[/url] ([url]http://www.yorkmodelmaking.co.uk/yorks-magnetic-mates-box-set-3[/url])


Thanks very much Mick

I could use some of these for sure. I haven't seen anything like them before.

Webbo
Title: Re: Deadwood layout - unabridged and illustrated
Post by: dats475 on February 21, 2017, 10:36:50 PM
Hi Webbo

Outstanding work on the elevator!
Very nice colours too.
I can't to wait to see more of your layout, Webbo!

Dats
Title: Re: Deadwood layout - unabridged and illustrated
Post by: Milton Rail on February 22, 2017, 02:02:42 PM
I agree, the elevators look excellent, nice work
Title: Re: Deadwood layout - unabridged and illustrated
Post by: Webbo on February 28, 2017, 07:42:30 AM
I've just completed my next kit which is the Sunset Motel, a laser cut kit by Blair Line. This is my third laser kit and I'm finding that I quite like them even though I suspect they would take longer to assemble than an equivalent plastic kit mainly because all the parts have to be primed and painted and the paint sinks in. Almost all the parts for this kit fitted together very well except for a couple that had to be fiddled with a bit.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/49/4229-280217072148.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=49131)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/49/4229-280217072720.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=49132)

The Sunset Motel located near Deadwood railway station caters mainly to itinerant workers and commercial travellers, but during the summer months especially, vacationers add to its clientele considerably. Deadwood itself is not a tourist hotspot, but the surrounding countryside attracts visitors for its water sports including fishing and boating as well as hikers. The proprietors of the Sunset Motel, Bob and Marj Westerlund, being of Scandinavian heritage, take pride in running a tidy and clean operation. This is fortunate for Webbo, the modeller, as he does not need to do much weathering as the building exteriors are kept in excellent condition.   

Webbo
Title: Re: Deadwood layout - unabridged and illustrated
Post by: Chris in Prague on February 28, 2017, 08:01:10 AM
Excellent work. Well done.
Title: Re: Deadwood layout - unabridged and illustrated
Post by: Innovationgame on February 28, 2017, 09:05:01 AM
Excellent work. Well done.
I agree.  It looks really good.  I hope my laser cut card models turn out half as well.
Title: Re: Deadwood layout - unabridged and illustrated
Post by: Steamie+ on February 28, 2017, 05:53:23 PM
They look great Webbo, certainly brings a lot of colour to the layout,love them.    :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Deadwood layout - unabridged and illustrated
Post by: Webbo on February 28, 2017, 09:55:21 PM
Thank you for your compliments folks. I'll pass them on to Bob and Marj.

They look great Webbo, certainly brings a lot of colour to the layout,love them.    :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Yes, the paint scheme make things look a little less dreary thereabouts during the long winter months.

Webbo
Title: Re: Deadwood layout - unabridged and illustrated
Post by: cornish yorkie on February 28, 2017, 10:55:32 PM
 :hellosign: Very nice modelling Webbo, thanks for the updates
      regards Derek.
Title: Re: Deadwood layout - unabridged and illustrated
Post by: Steamie+ on March 01, 2017, 04:28:48 AM
Thank you for your compliments folks. I'll pass them on to Bob and Marj.

They look great Webbo, certainly brings a lot of colour to the layout,love them.    :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Yes, the paint scheme make things look a little less dreary thereabouts during the long winter months.

Webbo

They do make a change from the same colours we usually get over here, the colours just look so right.   :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Deadwood layout - unabridged and illustrated
Post by: tinyone on March 01, 2017, 08:48:50 AM
Superb Webbo and you have just given me an idea as well great stuff
Steve
Title: Re: Deadwood layout - unabridged and illustrated
Post by: Bealman on March 01, 2017, 09:08:57 AM
Because this past week has been totally taken up with Bealette's wedding and entertaining my NZ guests, I've just seen this.

Excellent work, Ian! :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Deadwood layout - unabridged and illustrated
Post by: dats475 on March 01, 2017, 10:48:34 AM
Museum quality, Webbo!
How long did you take to complete this one?
Superb building skills!!
Also I enjoyed the story come with the motel!!
Please tell Bob and Marj to send me a discount coupon for the motel.

Dats
Title: Re: Deadwood layout - unabridged and illustrated
Post by: Webbo on March 01, 2017, 10:49:20 PM
Museum quality, Webbo!
How long did you take to complete this one?
Superb building skills!!
Also I enjoyed the story come with the motel!!
Please tell Bob and Marj to send me a discount coupon for the motel.

Dats

Hi Dats

I wouldn't call the Sunset Motel museum quality, but thanks for the compliment just the same. It's mainly down to the kit as I just painted it and put it together.

I didn't keep track of the time spent assembling it, but I'm guessing at least 10 hours. Certainly, quite a lot more than a couple of evening's work.

Being a small family operation, Bob and Marj don't have discount coupons. However, if you give them a call and mention my name, they'll give you 10% off. Bob or Marj will probably answer the phone, but their daughter, Jenny, sometimes fills in.

And well done George on your daughter's wedding. After all, our biological function is to rear our kids to functioning adults (hopefully), and then we can disappear off the planet or go away and enjoy our model railways.

Webbo
Title: Re: Deadwood layout - unabridged and illustrated
Post by: mr magnolia on March 05, 2017, 08:54:17 PM
Hi Webbo - hope you are well?

I always forget that the layout info is buried 'online' from the American railroad threads, but Ive found you again.  Nice job on the motel.  meantime, Ive been driving up and down the M9 a bit recently and thinking of you. (ah..)

Only as I was wondering how you had got along with finding an excuse to include your refinery kit, or indeed if you had just given up?  Reason i ask is this image here:

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@56.0768307,-3.8758931,3a,75y,105.59h,76.12t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sy08b73uqbTL_XM0QzrAaMg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en (https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@56.0768307,-3.8758931,3a,75y,105.59h,76.12t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sy08b73uqbTL_XM0QzrAaMg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en)



this is actually a precast concrete yard (Plean Precast, Stirling), but it looms our from the countryside just like a small refinery kit seems to.  I'll try and find an image looking from the M9 as thats where you get the greatest contrast between green fields and sudden smoking plant!

edit: oh look, here is a google image from the motorway, that completely fails to capture the apparent largeness and sudden unexpectedness of the plant as you drive along:

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@56.0671289,-3.8751338,3a,69y,11.63h,94.76t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sYX49OQH5JYjyIvKUVpRBaA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en (https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@56.0671289,-3.8751338,3a,69y,11.63h,94.76t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sYX49OQH5JYjyIvKUVpRBaA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en)

Donald
Title: Re: Deadwood layout - unabridged and illustrated
Post by: Webbo on March 05, 2017, 11:29:52 PM
Thanks Donald

You have provided me with encouragement. Things like refineries are best out of town and mine will be (maybe) on the edge of town. After all, who wants a smelly, smoky industrial complex in town? Having asked this, I quite like the things so it wouldn't bother me.

I haven't made any decisions on whether the refinery is to be or not to be. I'm sort of hoping that this decision will be delivered from above or in my dreams (as with Dats and his Foamcore). Basically this is procrastination borne of cowardice about making a decision.

Webbo
Title: Re: Deadwood layout - unabridged and illustrated
Post by: Steamie+ on March 06, 2017, 06:23:21 AM
Hi Webbo - hope you are well?

I always forget that the layout info is buried 'online' from the American railroad threads, but Ive found you again.  Nice job on the motel.  meantime, Ive been driving up and down the M9 a bit recently and thinking of you. (ah..)

Only as I was wondering how you had got along with finding an excuse to include your refinery kit, or indeed if you had just given up?  Reason i ask is this image here:

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@56.0768307,-3.8758931,3a,75y,105.59h,76.12t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sy08b73uqbTL_XM0QzrAaMg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en (https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@56.0768307,-3.8758931,3a,75y,105.59h,76.12t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sy08b73uqbTL_XM0QzrAaMg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en)



this is actually a precast concrete yard (Plean Precast, Stirling), but it looms our from the countryside just like a small refinery kit seems to.  I'll try and find an image looking from the M9 as thats where you get the greatest contrast between green fields and sudden smoking plant!

edit: oh look, here is a google image from the motorway, that completely fails to capture the apparent largeness and sudden unexpectedness of the plant as you drive along:

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@56.0671289,-3.8751338,3a,69y,11.63h,94.76t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sYX49OQH5JYjyIvKUVpRBaA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en (https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@56.0671289,-3.8751338,3a,69y,11.63h,94.76t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sYX49OQH5JYjyIvKUVpRBaA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en)

Donald

The second image has you say Donald doesnít give a great perspective of the refinery, but the one from the railway line is great, maybe Webbo could do his by a line just outside of town.  :beers:
Title: Re: Deadwood layout - unabridged and illustrated
Post by: Innovationgame on March 06, 2017, 06:32:45 AM
The second image has you say Donald doesnít give a great perspective of the refinery, but the one from the railway line is great, maybe Webbo could do his by a line just outside of town.  :beers:
I sat go for it.  You've done a lot of work and just outside town would be ideal.
Title: Re: Deadwood layout - unabridged and illustrated
Post by: keithbythe sea on March 11, 2017, 08:14:41 PM
Thanks Donald

You have provided me with encouragement. Things like refineries are best out of town and mine will be (maybe) on the edge of town. After all, who wants a smelly, smoky industrial complex in town? Having asked this, I quite like the things so it wouldn't bother me.

I haven't made any decisions on whether the refinery is to be or not to be. I'm sort of hoping that this decision will be delivered from above or in my dreams (as with Dats and his Foamcore). Basically this is procrastination borne of cowardice about making a decision.

Webbo

Go for it Webbo, you know deep down that you want a refinery. :D

Great work with the walther kit, excellent painting. Thanks for the tip regarding the painting, not the 38 deg bit, but the lack of adhesion of acrylics. I have detailed mine with enamel paint and need to add some weathering. I was thinking of doing this directly with acrylics, re-plan required me thinks.

Title: Re: Deadwood layout - unabridged and illustrated
Post by: Webbo on March 28, 2017, 08:38:39 AM
Hi folks, here is a little update on Deadwood.

I've just completed building my latest kit which is D's diner by Woodland Scenics, a fast food drive-in. This kit has a huge number of details including 2 car hops on skates, a convertible with driver, 5 trash (rubbish) bins, 2 flower tubs, 4 bicycles, 1 fire hydrant, 2 bench seats, 1 picnic table, 1 soda pop crate, and a menu board. By far most of my time spent building this kit (which was quite a lot) was painting the details.

I was really looking forward to building this kit especially as Woodland Scenics has such a good reputation, but was disappointed in a number of ways. The roof of the main building was warped and despite my efforts with C-clamps, I was not able to glue it up entirely straight. The details were made of some sort of plastic which was soft and had almost a waxy feel. The paint really didn't stick very well and when the detail was flexed it came off in flakes. Once the details were glued in position things were fine. The axles on the car were too long so the wheels would not fit in the wheel wells properly. This was also my first experience with dry decals. Even though they stick really well and look great they are not so forgiving in application as wet decals. For starters, one can't just slide them around when they are applied. I managed to muck up my first go of the D's Diner sign. Luckily, this foul up is really only noticeable to me after a bit of cosmetic work.

On the plus side, the Woodland Scenics kit has a lot of great details including window blinds that haven't been all pulled up straight and signs in the windows. I'm about to start a Walthers kit of an old Dairy Queen. It's going to be a lot easier to build, but it doesn't have 1/4 of the detal that D's Diner has.

I'd be interested in hearing of other's experience with Woodlands Scenics kits. One can buy these kits in made-up form. They cost twice as much as the build-it-yourself kits, but considering the amount of time I've put into mine (not to mention the aggravation), the extra expense is more than reasonable.


(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/50/4229-280317083245.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=50390)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/50/4229-280317083523.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=50391)

Webbo
Title: Re: Deadwood layout - unabridged and illustrated
Post by: Steamie+ on March 28, 2017, 09:13:45 AM
I think it looks brilliant Webbo, just a pity they cost so much, i havenít tried one yet but if i see one that may go on the layout maybe i will give it a go.            :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Deadwood layout - unabridged and illustrated
Post by: PeteW on March 28, 2017, 11:17:15 AM
Hi Ian, I'm slowly working my way through the excellent layouts on the forum and today you drew the short straw, so prepare yourself for some stern criticism.

Fantastic work! The lefthand mountain scenery is absolutely beautiful and the overall layout is stunning. That early video of the whole circuit was so convincing that I did a what-the-he... double-take when that giant crosshead screw loomed into view :D. Every time I read one of these build threads I learn so much and your's was no exception.

As for the refinery, trust your instincts; you haven't made a false step so far.
Title: Re: Deadwood layout - unabridged and illustrated
Post by: Bealman on March 28, 2017, 11:36:48 AM
Gawd, Ian, what a carry on!

But, as you say, half the price.

Mind you, you've done an excellent job, and can be justifiably proud. :thumbsup:

It's going to look great on your layout, putting lights in it?

George
Title: Re: Deadwood layout - unabridged and illustrated
Post by: dats475 on March 28, 2017, 01:47:10 PM
Another outstanding job, Webbo!!
I didn't notice any fault on the roof.
Excellent modelling skills!!

Dats
Title: Re: Deadwood layout - unabridged and illustrated
Post by: keithbythe sea on March 28, 2017, 04:00:41 PM
Excellent job Webbo. Looking good.
Title: Re: Deadwood layout - unabridged and illustrated
Post by: 70000 on March 28, 2017, 08:13:46 PM
I bought 3 of the Woodland Scenics Landmark Structure kits in Baltimore last October but they are still in the "to do" pile.
One of them will required for the layout in the next few weeks, so I'll let you know how I get on with it.
Title: Re: Deadwood layout - unabridged and illustrated
Post by: Webbo on March 29, 2017, 12:22:06 AM
Dats, the not-so-good side of the D's Diner sign is on the other side in the photograph and the warp in the roof is not noticeable unless you know its there.

George, all those little yellow dots around the signs are supposed to represent light globes. To light them up is a challenge way beyond me.

Pete, whether the refinery is to be or not to be is a question that I've putting off. I'm down to three alternatives for the space though:
 1. Refinery + oil tanks + loading stage
 2. Oil tanks + loading stage (i.e. a petroleum distribution depot)
 3. A junk yard
If the space available were outside the tracks or a bit bigger, I would definitely go for the refinery option. Ditape has a very nice looking arrangement for her refinery. We'll see. Hopefully, my instincts will wake up and tell me what to do.

Webbo
 
Title: Re: Deadwood layout - unabridged and illustrated
Post by: Webbo on April 03, 2017, 09:39:37 AM
Hello folks

Another little update from me in the form of another completed building kit. This time it is a Dairy Queen which was a large chain of outlets mainly dispensing soft ice cream (mainly sugar + emulsifiers) and soft drinks. When I was a kid, having a cone from the Dairy Queen was a real treat so the presence of this building on my layout will be totally down to nostalgia. A special treat from the Dairy Queen was the banana split costing 75 cents which consisted of three dollops of 'ice cream' each covered with a strawberry, pineapple, and chocolate syrup with a split banana down each side. Yummy! Nowadays, it has morphed into DQ and extended the "food" range to hamburgers and wraps etc. as well as retaining the original soft ice cream products.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/50/4229-030417093358.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=50585)

The kit I have built is a newly released Walthers kit. It is a bit sparse with no decal sheets so I had to take Women and Men washroom signs from the Woodland Scenics D's Diner kit I've just completed and apply them to the toilet doors so the right gender goes into the right room. In contrast to the WS kit there are no details such as people, trash cans, or flower pots. However, the kit is straight and goes together really nicely with very tight tolerances. The picture above is shows my model Dairy Queen in its bare bones state, but I'm intending to add details such as at least 1 person inside the building and trash cans with some customers as well.

Next project is a gas (petrol) stations. Pretty soon though once I get these buildings complete, I'm going to have to confront the issue of streets and exactly where all these buildings go.

Webbo
Title: Re: Deadwood layout - unabridged and illustrated
Post by: Bealman on April 03, 2017, 09:43:13 AM
Very cool!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Deadwood layout - unabridged and illustrated
Post by: dats475 on April 03, 2017, 12:42:37 PM
Yum yum, DQ!

It looks great!
Very nice paint job, Webbo.
How did you get the effect on bathroom bricks?
(You know I'm going to look at bathroom first!)
It looks like the DQ is ready for business!!

Dats
Title: Re: Deadwood layout - unabridged and illustrated
Post by: Sprintex on April 03, 2017, 01:23:52 PM
Very cool!  :thumbsup:

It should be or the ice cream will melt :D


Paul
Title: Re: Deadwood layout - unabridged and illustrated
Post by: Steamie+ on April 03, 2017, 01:57:28 PM
Hello folks

Another little update from me in the form of another completed building kit. This time it is a Dairy Queen which was a large chain of outlets mainly dispensing soft ice cream (mainly sugar + emulsifiers) and soft drinks. When I was a kid, having a cone from the Dairy Queen was a real treat so the presence of this building on my layout will be totally down to nostalgia. A special treat from the Dairy Queen was the banana split costing 75 cents which consisted of three dollops of 'ice cream' each covered with a strawberry, pineapple, and chocolate syrup with a split banana down each side. Yummy! Nowadays, it has morphed into DQ and extended the "food" range to hamburgers and wraps etc. as well as retaining the original soft ice cream products.

([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/50/4229-030417093358.jpeg[/url]) ([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=50585[/url])

The kit I have built is a newly released Walthers kit. It is a bit sparse with no decal sheets so I had to take Women and Men washroom signs from the Woodland Scenics D's Diner kit I've just completed and apply them to the toilet doors so the right gender goes into the right room. In contrast to the WS kit there are no details such as people, trash cans, or flower pots. However, the kit is straight and goes together really nicely with very tight tolerances. The picture above is shows my model Dairy Queen in its bare bones state, but I'm intending to add details such as at least 1 person inside the building and trash cans with some customers as well.

Next project is a gas (petrol) stations. Pretty soon though once I get these buildings complete, I'm going to have to confront the issue of streets and exactly where all these buildings go.

Webbo



Thats another nice looking building Ian, they sure are nice and bright. I am sure you will have half an idea were to put them on your layout Ian.         :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Deadwood layout - unabridged and illustrated
Post by: Webbo on April 04, 2017, 01:36:56 AM
Dats

I highlighted the brick with a wash made of 1 part Woodland Scenics slate grey to  20 parts water. Any blackish looking water based paint would do I expect. The wash tended to bead up to begin with so I added a little bit of detergent which fixed this problem. The dried WS wash can be rubbed off with the fingers if you don't want the bricks quite so dark, but this still leaves darkened mortar so the bricks remain highlighted. I've painted the rest of the building with the wash as well to tone down the whiteness and to give it a bit of a dirty look. May be not so evident in he photo.

When I get to finally placing my buildings I'll think about whether they need more weathering or not. As they are, they make the commercial strip look a bit less dreary during winter.

Webbo
Title: Re: Deadwood layout - unabridged and illustrated
Post by: Milton Rail on April 04, 2017, 02:55:23 PM
The buildings look great Webbo, despite the frustration you had with it, you made a great job of the diner.  I have a few Walthers kits, they are nice to work with, but as you have pointed out, shy on extra detail.  I have a couple of German Piko ones on the go, they are excellent to work with.

Look forward to see how you set them all down in the town
Title: Re: Deadwood layout - unabridged and illustrated
Post by: Chris in Prague on April 09, 2017, 10:30:23 AM
If you want to use acrylic paints on anything plastic, really thorough cleaning then a high-quality undercoat helps. I first, hand wash all parts in a bowl of warm, soapy water, then clean them thoroughly with an old, soft toothbrush and CIF before a thorough rinse then drying on an old tea towel. For undercoat, I use Tamiya aerosol undercoat, grey or white (very expensive but worth it). Halford's (alas not available here) grey undercoat is a cheaper and just as good alternative.
Title: Re: Deadwood layout - unabridged and illustrated
Post by: Webbo on April 09, 2017, 11:38:53 AM
Thanks Chris

The plastic kits I've built lately all recommend soaking in soapy water, but I take it that brushing is necessary as well. I too have been using high quality undercoat in the form of auto spray primer, but it seems that unless the surface underneath is clean, the paint won't stick as well as it should. The primer and the overcoat peel off together. I've heard that Windex is really good at cleaning surfaces and I wonder if spraying this on to begin with would be a good idea?

When I was young I made and painted lots of ship and aeroplane kits made by Airfix and Revell. I don't remember the enamel paints I used then ever flaking off. Apparently, the coatings that are causing the painting problems nowadays are used for better separation of plastic from the moulds. Have things changed in the moulding process over the last (quite a few) decades?

Webbo
Title: Re: Deadwood layout - unabridged and illustrated
Post by: Chris in Prague on April 09, 2017, 11:49:37 AM
My pleasure, Webbo. I found out the necessity of thorough cleaning of plastic surfaces with the Peco wagon kits. It's well worth taking the time to give all surfaces a really thorough clean (and dry) before spraypainting the undercoat. I have not heard about Windex but it might be worth a try with a test piece. I would guess that a thorough wash with clean water and dry afterwards though would be required, too.
Title: Re: Deadwood layout - unabridged and illustrated
Post by: Webbo on April 09, 2017, 09:20:17 PM
Windex is an ammonia based window cleaner. I just learned from a model railway website that it is excellent stuff for cleaning acrylic paint brushes.

Webbo
Title: Re: Deadwood layout - unabridged and illustrated
Post by: Newportnobby on April 09, 2017, 09:23:56 PM
There is just something about Peco plastic that makes paint just drop off it if the item is not primed first. I was gobsmacked when all the paint fell off the Peco railside fencing I'd done in a lovely shade of brown :doh:
Title: Re: Deadwood layout - unabridged and illustrated
Post by: Malc on April 10, 2017, 11:07:36 AM
Part of the trouble is that modern paints don't have the same solvents as the ones we used to use on Airfix kits. Most of them use water instead of spirit based solvents.
Title: Re: Deadwood layout - unabridged and illustrated
Post by: Webbo on August 08, 2017, 09:30:06 AM
I've had a mental blockage of late in the construction of Deadwood. I have two decisions to make; one is the trackplan and scenery layout of my industrial area on the right side of my layout and the second is deciding how I was going to construct the back drop to this area which hides my fiddle yard. Having two problems simulataneously has caused my brain to seize up. I have now solved the back drop problem. For this, I had been thinking various arrangements of drop down doors or even cloth curtains that could be lifted to allow ready access to my fiddle yard. No plan sprung out at me that would look fairly reasonable and not be too difficult to build.

However, one day ago a plan occurred to me for how I might do this back drop and I have since made it up. When I originally cut the baseboards for this section of the layout, I cut a 9 mm wide groove (plywood width) for where the back drop was going to go. (lucky foresight!). The back drop now is comprised of three sections. At each end, I have two plywood boards that are connected together by brackets and which rest within the base board slots. In the middle I have a section of 3mm thick fibreboard that has a former glued across the top which slots into the sections at either end. This back section can be lifted and hooked onto my upper level railway circuit supports. If needed it can be folded back to provide 100% access to the fiddle yard. The two plywood end sections can be lifted out as well so the back board can be removed completely. For me, the nice thing about it all is that I can access my fiddle yard in its entirety within 20 seconds or so.   

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/54/4229-080817073027.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=54124)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/54/4229-080817073226.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=54125)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/54/4229-080817073403.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=54126)

This probably all sounds pretty boring, but achieving this system is a big deal to me and is finally allowing me to move forward. Painting up the back drop to look like an extension of my scenery awaits another day.

Webbo
Title: Re: Deadwood layout - unabridged and illustrated
Post by: Bealman on August 08, 2017, 09:46:10 AM
Mate, your plan is falling into place nicely.

Still reckon you need to power a few points, though  :P

George
Title: Re: Deadwood layout - unabridged and illustrated
Post by: Newportnobby on August 08, 2017, 09:47:22 AM
Neat idea well executed. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Deadwood layout - unabridged and illustrated
Post by: Webbo on August 08, 2017, 10:08:19 AM
Mate, your plan is falling into place nicely.

Still reckon you need to power a few points, though  :P

George

Thanks George and NPN,

George, I have remembered your recommendation regarding the points in my fiddle yard, but I'm also thinking about the condition of my back and knee joints that would need to be considered if I were to implement your suggested strategy.

Webbo
Title: Re: Deadwood layout - unabridged and illustrated
Post by: Innovationgame on August 08, 2017, 12:37:07 PM
That looks like an excellent solution to the backdrop problem!
Title: Re: Deadwood layout - unabridged and illustrated
Post by: Mito on August 08, 2017, 02:32:27 PM
Ingenious! A very effective solution. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Deadwood layout - unabridged and illustrated
Post by: Milton Rail on August 08, 2017, 02:46:16 PM
Nice bit of creative thinking there :)
Title: Re: Deadwood layout - unabridged and illustrated
Post by: Chris in Prague on August 08, 2017, 02:58:21 PM
An excellent, inventive solution. Thanks for the detailed update.
Title: Re: Deadwood layout - unabridged and illustrated
Post by: keithbythe sea on August 08, 2017, 07:24:41 PM
Great work Webbo, I love a cunning solution, well executed.  :claphappy:

Time to go for the refinery?? :hmmm:
Title: Re: Deadwood layout - unabridged and illustrated
Post by: port perran on August 08, 2017, 07:26:11 PM
Great solution to your problem.
Well done.
Title: Re: Deadwood layout - unabridged and illustrated
Post by: Webbo on August 09, 2017, 02:45:41 AM
Folks, thank you for your kind words.

Access to the fiddle yard is one aspect of my layout design that I'm not entirely happy with. Reach from the side or from its 'south' end (first photo) is pretty easy over most of its length, but there is a section in the middle which requires standing on a milk crate to get to the back. Quite doable, but not ideal. It's one of the compromises that I had to make when designing the layout. In a more expanded world, I would have had enough shed room to put an aisle along the back against the wall.

And Keith, the refinery issue is sitting in my head simmering away, but the next cab off the rank is the track plan and building layout of my industrial area.

Webbo
Title: Re: Deadwood layout - unabridged and illustrated
Post by: colpatben on August 14, 2017, 06:02:31 PM
Hello folks

([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/50/4229-030417093358.jpeg[/url]) ([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=50585[/url])

The kit I have built is a newly released Walthers kit. It is a bit sparse with no decal sheets so I had to take Women and Men washroom signs from the Woodland Scenics D's Diner kit I've just completed and apply them to the toilet doors so the right gender goes into the right room. In contrast to the WS kit there are no details such as people, trash cans, or flower pots. However, the kit is straight and goes together really nicely with very tight tolerances. The picture above is shows my model Dairy Queen in its bare bones state, but I'm intending to add details such as at least 1 person

Webbo


A sign that you could add.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/54/1337-140817175455.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=54257)

From Daily Mail AUS, as it has a link for sharing on facebook,Twitter, Pintrest, email et-al I will assume that is OK to share on NGF.

Title: Re: Deadwood layout - unabridged and illustrated
Post by: Webbo on December 10, 2017, 12:19:47 AM
Hello folks

It's been a while since I posted on my progress on Deadwood. I'm afraid there hasn't been any, but I've not been completely idle - have sold a whole lot of locos, buildings, rolling stock on EBay that is surplus to requirements plus I've got my coal train going.

The following vid shows my coal train being hauled by my new Intermountain SD40-2s. I've had the Intermountain bathtub coal hoppers for quite a while, but have refitted them with Fox Valley steel wheels and Motrak coal loads which took a couple of years to arrive after ordering.



The metal wheels sound very nice when they are rolling along, but have not come without problems. These wheels have pretty skinny flanges and narrow treads and several of them had wobbly wheels. Derailments resulted, but I seem to have weeded out the culprits. No such problems with the standard Micro-Trains plastic wheels of course.

The Intermountain hoppers came with a coal load which to my eyes looked awful. The Motrak replacement loads look far better, but it was a job to get them to sit at about the same height in all the hoppers. Problem solved with a plywood filler and card shims.

The last hopper in the train is fitted with a FRED - a Flashing Red End-of-train Device. I obtained these from Firefly Fred. The last truck on the train is replaced with a truck fitted with the FRED. Power is from the track and they work with both DC and DCC. Installation is no more difficult than replacing the last truck.

SD40s and SD40-2s are my favourite loco. I now have 8 of these and here they are starting from the left of the picture:

Two British Columbia Railway SD40-2s fitted with sound (Intermountain)
Two CP Rail SD40-2s fitted with sound (Intermountain)
Two CP Rail SD40s (Kato)
Two CP Rail SD40-2s with snoot noses (Kato)
 
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/59/4229-091217233831.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=59098)

No more locomotives for me at least until I see something I really 'need'.

Webbo
Title: Re: Deadwood layout - unabridged and illustrated
Post by: tutenkhamunsleeping on December 10, 2017, 09:00:06 AM
Great video :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Deadwood layout - unabridged and illustrated
Post by: cornish yorkie on December 10, 2017, 07:45:16 PM
Hello, many thanks for sharing, super video
    regards Derek.
Title: Re: Deadwood layout - unabridged and illustrated
Post by: dats475 on December 11, 2017, 02:31:27 PM
Hi Webbo

Fantastic locomotive collection and a superb video!!
I really like your coal hoppers.
Although I don't know why, I always liked long unit trains.

Thank you for your update!

Dats

Title: Re: Deadwood layout - unabridged and illustrated
Post by: Webbo on December 11, 2017, 10:17:36 PM
Dats

My unit train is not as long as it would be in real life, I'm afraid. My train has 24 hoppers, whereas a real unit coal train would have 4 or 5 times that many.

My train fits within both my passing loops, but is a bit to long to fit in any of my storage sidings and has to be split in two.

Webbo
Title: Re: Deadwood layout - unabridged and illustrated
Post by: Webbo on December 20, 2017, 07:36:15 AM
Hello folks

Here is another very amateurish video from me showing my other two recently purchased Intermountain SD40-2s in action this time hauling a mixed freight comprising an eclectic mix of box cars, grain hoppers, gondolas, and tank cars.



This time I've used my iPhone 5 to do the filming and I must say that it is at least the equal of my other camera which is a Canon bridge camera. The Canon has a much bigger lens and shows a tendency to hunt around for the correct focus when in movie mode besides also having a more restricted depth of field.

Webbo
Title: Re: Deadwood layout - unabridged and illustrated
Post by: Bealman on December 20, 2017, 07:54:10 AM
Mate, that looks ok to me. You had the phone anchored, I presume? Doesn't have the camera shake which I inevitably get.

But there again, I spill a lot of beer too  ;)

Seriously, great video.

I think I accidentally derailed one of those tankers! :-[
Title: Re: Deadwood layout - unabridged and illustrated
Post by: tutenkhamunsleeping on December 20, 2017, 09:37:54 AM
iPhones, iPods and iPads (other brands are available) have become my favourite for layout videos, easy to use, prop up, etc, etc.

In fact, the best way to go for a camera car in larger scales IMHO is one of those well-wagon kits you can get that takes an iPod/iPhone and a mirror http://model-railroad-hobbyist.com/node/6841 (http://model-railroad-hobbyist.com/node/6841)
Title: Re: Deadwood layout - unabridged and illustrated
Post by: Webbo on December 20, 2017, 09:40:00 PM
Mate, that looks ok to me. You had the phone anchored, I presume? Doesn't have the camera shake which I inevitably get.

But there again, I spill a lot of beer too  ;)

Seriously, great video.

I think I accidentally derailed one of those tankers! :-[

George

No, didn't have the camera anchored and yes, there is certainly wobble in the picture. A glass of red before filming certainly helps, but holding the camera in one hand during videoing and simultaneously having a drink from a glass in the other doesn't work so well.

You must have derailed the tank car when I wasn't looking, but I do remember the coach uncoupling problem that has only ever occurred when you were there.

Steve

I already have a camera tripod and I suppose it wouldn't be too difficult to make up a frame for an iPhone that attaches to the tripod. The camera fits on the tripod using a screw mount so the problem would boil down to procuring a female screw fitting with the correct thread.

Webbo
Title: Re: Deadwood layout - unabridged and illustrated
Post by: Bealman on December 20, 2017, 09:52:01 PM
I'm sure there will be something somewhere on the internet on how to make one. They might even be available commercially.
Title: Re: Deadwood layout - abridged and illustrated
Post by: Webbo on December 20, 2017, 11:53:33 PM
George

You can buy one of these things for about $5 as I just found out:

https://www.ebay.com.au/i/253076575968?chn=ps (https://www.ebay.com.au/i/253076575968?chn=ps)

Not worth the trouble of making one up yourself. Have just ordered one.
Title: Re: Deadwood layout - unabridged and illustrated
Post by: Bealman on December 21, 2017, 12:25:56 AM
Too easy! I think I'll get one too at that price!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Deadwood layout - unabridged and illustrated
Post by: keithbythe sea on December 21, 2017, 07:22:33 AM
Great videos Webbo,  :thankyousign:
Title: Re: Deadwood layout - unabridged and illustrated
Post by: Rich_S on January 13, 2018, 01:08:56 AM
Hello folks

Here is another very amateurish video from me showing my other two recently purchased Intermountain SD40-2s in action this time hauling a mixed freight comprising an eclectic mix of box cars, grain hoppers, gondolas, and tank cars.



This time I've used my iPhone 5 to do the filming and I must say that it is at least the equal of my other camera which is a Canon bridge camera. The Canon has a much bigger lens and shows a tendency to hunt around for the correct focus when in movie mode besides also having a more restricted depth of field.

Webbo

Hi Webbo, The layout and video look fantastic  :thumbsup:


Title: Re: Deadwood layout - unabridged and illustrated
Post by: Milton Rail on January 13, 2018, 07:12:55 PM

 
([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/59/4229-091217233831.jpeg[/url]) ([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=59098[/url])

No more locomotives for me at least until I see something I really 'need'.

Webbo


I think there is a bit of an imbalance....you need to balance up the number of British Columbia Railways I think....

Great stuff though  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Deadwood layout - unabridged and illustrated
Post by: Webbo on January 14, 2018, 07:24:36 AM
Hello folks

To start, I just want to assure Andrew @Milton Rail (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=4934) that my two new British Columbia Railway SD40-2s do have some buddies. Here they are all lined up:

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/60/4229-140118070554.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=60561)

The yellow loco on the left is an RS18 in Pacific Great Eastern colours that they sported up to close to their changing their name to the British Columbia Railway in 1972. Next along in order are a BCR C420, PGE RS3, BCR RS3, BCR C630 and then the two SD40-2s. The PGE and the BCR had a liking for ALCO locomotives and except for the two EMDs at the end of the line-up, the prototype of my models would have been built at the ALCO plant in Montreal.

On the iphone support situation @Bealman (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=255) @tutenkhamunsleeping (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=1490) , the iphone support bracket for a tripod that I mentioned several posts back has arrived. Here it is with my iphone 5 attached:

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/60/4229-140118071049.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=60562)

This device cost me all of $4.50 including postage and I'm expecting it to be useful. Or one can buy something like the following on EBay which is almost half the price:

https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Universal-Octopus-Stand-Tripod-Mount-Holders-For-Smart-Phone-Cell-Phone-Camera/312040227260?hash=item48a70c01bc:m:m1p-ZMf6gxhC7lEJ89-BiUg (https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Universal-Octopus-Stand-Tripod-Mount-Holders-For-Smart-Phone-Cell-Phone-Camera/312040227260?hash=item48a70c01bc:m:m1p-ZMf6gxhC7lEJ89-BiUg)

All good fun brought to us by cheap petroleum and the internet.

Webbo



Title: Re: Deadwood layout - unabridged and illustrated
Post by: Bealman on January 14, 2018, 07:32:06 AM
Cool. Definitely getting one.  :beers:
Title: Re: Deadwood layout - unabridged and illustrated
Post by: dats475 on January 15, 2018, 02:12:01 PM
Wow, Webbo

Nice locomotive fleet!
I'm interested to see Alco engines running on your layout.
I always like the sound and design of Alcos.
Thank you for sharing your wonderful collection!

Dats
Title: Re: Deadwood layout - unabridged and illustrated
Post by: Black Sheep on January 17, 2018, 06:16:52 PM
Evenin' / Mornin' (depending where you're reading from)

Had an enjoyable catch up through the thread, loving the rock faces, will be having another look when I come to do my cliff faces. Loving the open nature of the layout, looking forward to what comes next.
Title: Re: Deadwood layout - unabridged and illustrated
Post by: Webbo on January 18, 2018, 07:38:11 AM
There seem to be lots of semi-trailers and other trucks available as models in American N scale but very few passenger cars newer than about 1955 and virtually all of these are Fords. I asked Dan Huberman of PWRS as to why the model market seemed to be overwhelmingly dominated by Fords. He was of the opinion that GM and Chrysler were reluctant to put their names to products that could cause the choking deaths of children. Deadwood is short of cars so Iíve endeavoured to start rectifying this problem by buying 10 kits that Iíve just finished painting. Here is a photo of them in all their imperfections:

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/60/4229-180118073110.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=60718)

The two pickup trucks on the upper left are metal GHQ kits of Ford F150 pickup trucks with canopy tops dating from around 1992. Fishing and hunting are popular pursuits in Deadwood and these two vehicles were bought at the same time by close friends Gene (Chuckles) Lafayette and Fred Palowski so they could enjoy their outdoor activities. The GLC kits have a very high level of detail, but this particular kit seemed to be somewhat depressed in the middle which is not noticeable from most viewing angles luckily for me.
 
The top row in the picture is completed by a Chevy panel van, also GHQ, dating from around 1990. I need to put a business sign on its side something like ACME Plumbing with phone number. Except for the pickup truck at the bottom right, the next six cars are made by Willmodels in plastic. These models do not have the fine detail that the metal models do, but they look OK from 20 cm away. My main complaint about them is that the wheels often did not fit within the wheel wells so the wells had to be ground out with a Dremel tool.
 
The Willmodels cars starting from the top left and then moving down are something like a 1995 Ford Crown Victoria (white), a 1991 Chevrolet (blue), 1975 Dodge van (rust brown or really copper), 1986 Ford Escort (white),  1971 Duster (green), 1972 Plymouth Road Runner. My sister had a white mid 1990s Crown Victoria. These cars are used by all kinds of police in Canada and the US. We found that when driving around in this car I noticed a great deal of respect from other motorists Ė funny thing. She has since sold it for an SUV Ė yuch!. Dats also has a green 1971 Duster in N scale. Equipped with a 340 cu in V8 these were like a poor manís muscle car. I would have liked to have owned one and now I do but it is a little smaller than the real thing. The orange car is a Plymouth Road Runner of Dukes of Hazzard fame. This is a car that was beyond my dreams, but now I own one of these too.

The pickup in the bottom right is a Showcase Miniatures Chevy pickup. Easily the best model in terms of detail of the lot. The tailgate even includes the word Chevrolet written across it as slightly raised above the surrounding metal as it should.

Iím looking for more kits to populate Deadwood. I need some more GM vehicles to balance things up and also a 1970s Toyota Corolla since this was such an important car in terms of the history of car sales in North America and I have to have at least one Japanese car.

Webbo

Title: Re: Deadwood layout - unabridged and illustrated
Post by: Bealman on January 18, 2018, 08:00:48 AM
You're all sorted with the John Deere tractors, then?

 ;)
Title: Re: Deadwood layout - unabridged and illustrated
Post by: Webbo on January 18, 2018, 08:16:00 AM
John Deere is making a good profit out of me, George, don't you worry about that as Flo would have said. My agricultural outlet will be selling their hay balers as well as tractors. Hiram Silk LTD. agricultural sales has JD as their major equipment supplier.

Webbo

Title: Re: Deadwood layout - unabridged and illustrated
Post by: Bealman on January 18, 2018, 08:41:36 AM
 ;D

That's so cool. Can't wait for the pics!  :thumbsup: :beers:

George
Title: Re: Deadwood layout - unabridged and illustrated
Post by: keithbythe sea on January 18, 2018, 08:55:24 AM
Excellent fleet Webbo, looking very good. Just goes to prove that you can achieve all sorts of seemingly impossible dreams.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Deadwood layout - unabridged and illustrated
Post by: Black Sheep on January 18, 2018, 01:28:48 PM
if the easiest to acquire modern cars are from the ford range, perhaps need a Ford dealership, or (Hertz with a fleet of Fords outside) to explain the imbalance?

For the classics, perhaps a custom shop that's also used as a hang out for the enthusiasts?
Title: Re: Deadwood layout - unabridged and illustrated
Post by: Webbo on January 18, 2018, 10:32:50 PM
Good ideas Black Sheep. My modelled street is pretty much full with a motel, 2 fast food outlets, a petrol station, a convenience store, and a used car yard. However, Deadwood could very well have a Ford car dealership off scene. Let's say it does. Not much call for Hertz rentals in a place like Deadwood though.

Webbo
Title: Re: Deadwood layout - unabridged and illustrated
Post by: Black Sheep on January 18, 2018, 11:02:09 PM
 :searchingsign:
Good ideas Black Sheep. My modelled street is pretty much full with a motel, 2 fast food outlets, a petrol station, a convenience store, and a used car yard. However, Deadwood could very well have a Ford car dealership off scene. Let's say it does. Not much call for Hertz rentals in a place like Deadwood though.

Webbo

perhaps imply the dealership is there with a billboard advertising the dealership and 200m ------->
Title: Re: Deadwood layout - unabridged and illustrated
Post by: dats475 on January 21, 2018, 03:37:49 PM
Wow! Fantastic paint work, Webbo!!
How could you do it so well?
Did you use an airbrush or a spray can?
I can see they have a glossy coat on.
Windows are fantastic too.

I have two request for you.
One. Can you show me how you painted the details?
Two. I'm keeping missing new posts here.
Is that possible to make another thread on American N scale section? (Is that possible or OK to do it?)
I'm trying to look around as much as possible but so many goodies on NGF, I usually getting lost in somewhere. (I get email notification of reply sometimes, and sometimes not.)
In any case, thank you, Webbo.

Dats
Title: Re: Deadwood layout - unabridged and illustrated
Post by: Black Sheep on January 21, 2018, 07:43:23 PM
Two. I'm keeping missing new posts here.
Is that possible to make another thread on American N scale section? (Is that possible or OK to do it?)
I'm trying to look around as much as possible but so many goodies on NGF, I usually getting lost in somewhere. (I get email notification of reply sometimes, and sometimes not.)
In any case, thank you, Webbo.

Dats

have you bookmarked it on the forum?

I dont get alerts so I bookmarked the bookmark page of the forum so that's the first page of the forum I see
Title: Re: Deadwood layout - unabridged and illustrated
Post by: dats475 on January 21, 2018, 07:54:59 PM
Thank you, Black Sheep.
I'll bookmark this thread.
Just push "add bookmark" button, right?
Ok, I'll try now.

Webbo, still show me how you did it, please.

Dats
Title: Re: Deadwood layout - unabridged and illustrated
Post by: Black Sheep on January 21, 2018, 08:00:43 PM
Thank you, Black Sheep.
I'll bookmark this thread.
Just push "add bookmark" button, right?
Ok, I'll try now.

Webbo, still show me how you did it, please.

Dats

yup

then hover over 'profile' and a menu pops up, move down to 'my bookmarks' and you'll find a list of all threads you've bookmarked, if there's been a reply from anyone it'll show an orange 'new' next to it
Title: Re: Deadwood layout - unabridged and illustrated
Post by: Webbo on January 22, 2018, 07:20:40 AM
Dats has asked me about my car painting. Iím not good at it and I need all the tricks I can purloin. Most of these were suggested in the pamphlet that came with my Willmodels cars:

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/58/4229-061217024916.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=58941)

I obtained some of their Micron Archival 0.01 ink pens and they worked a treat for painting the tail lights (red), turn lights (orange) and tyres (black). The archival pens have a 0.25 mm tip, but the set also included a black brush pen that turned out to be VERY good for tyres (unexpected win). I also bought separately a silver pen used for painting chrome grills and bumpers etc. With a 0.7 mm tip, it was cruder than I would have liked.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/60/4229-220118064230.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=60879)

Dats, most of the paint jobs are matt finish mainly because those are the paint pots I had. All my cars were sprayed at the end with Glosscote which not only makes them shiny, but it also seals the paint and makes them less prone to damage during handling by my grubby fingers. Willmodels recommends drilling a hole for a toothpick to hold the model while painting to keep the fingers off. I could see myself drilling a hole right through the model so I opted for gluing a flat head nail to its underside instead. This also worked well for the metal models.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/60/4229-220118065239.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=60880)

I sprayed on an undercoat, but all the final coats were brushed on. Not ideal, but what did become clear is that brushed paint goes on more evenly if it is thoroughly mixed whether enamel or acrylic something that I had not really appreciated. I have this little Badger mixer which has turned to be brilliant for mixing paint - far superior to the human-powered toothpick stirrer and wastes less paint in the process.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/60/4229-220118071350.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=60881)

Webbo
Title: Re: Deadwood layout - unabridged and illustrated
Post by: Bealman on January 22, 2018, 07:43:52 AM
Mate, I don't like the silver windows.

Sorry!

The rest is excellent.  :beers:

George
Title: Re: Deadwood layout - unabridged and illustrated
Post by: Webbo on January 22, 2018, 07:52:53 AM
Ah George,

The windows are HB mechanical pencil. I've taken a keen interest in car windows lately and I'd have to say that some sort of charcoal grey is most realistic IMHO. If some other colour comes along that might look better, I'll step up for it.

Webbo
Title: Re: Deadwood layout - unabridged and illustrated
Post by: Milton Rail on January 22, 2018, 08:29:33 AM
Nice work, the growing trend in the UK is for blacked out "privacy" windows, that might be an option in some cases - great tips too, I have a small army of people to paint, these pens might apply to them too
Title: Re: Deadwood layout - unabridged and illustrated
Post by: Bealman on January 22, 2018, 09:16:40 AM
I think I've gone on about this before,  but those crude whitemetal kits I used to work on years ago....

I'd always paint the windows gloss black to look like glass and it's dark inside after all.

I still like a lot of those old kits!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Deadwood layout - unabridged and illustrated
Post by: Webbo on January 22, 2018, 09:44:40 AM
Nice work, the growing trend in the UK is for blacked out "privacy" windows, that might be an option in some cases - great tips too, I have a small army of people to paint, these pens might apply to them too

I had to buy a pen set with a whole lot of colours to get the red and orange I wanted for cars. The other pens would be brilliant for painting people I expect. Good thinking, Andrew.

Webbo
Title: Re: Deadwood layout - unabridged and illustrated
Post by: Webbo on June 20, 2018, 12:14:23 PM
Hello folks

It's been a while since I've made a Deadwood update due to several reasons. At the heart of it all is my difficulty in making up my mind as to what to do with my industrial area. This is not so much as me losing my mojo as my looking for any excuse to not confront the decisions that need to be made. Up until two weeks ago, I would spend my spare time watching the Stanley Cup which is the finals series for the National Hockey League (ice hockey). Fast, skilful and with a smattering of violence. Excellent! Now I can continue wasting time watching the World Cup which is terrific also.

Deadwood is not yet dead, but is moving forward slowly. Iíve pretty well made up made up my mind as to what Iím going to do in my industrial area. Here is a photo of the area in question and some of my track laying deliberations and tools.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/66/4229-200618115857.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=66701)

Major features of the plan will be a track that comes off the main line at the top left of the photo. This line will be connected to a spur that runs parallel to the backboard and runs through a grain elevator. Other features of this area will be a depot (a.k.a mini station in UK parlance) that sits approximately where its white base can be seen. A road will run across the scene roughly below the bottom of the photo and will have a row of businesses along it including a gas station, motel, convenience store, a used car dealership and a fast food outlet. I hope to have a plan of this that I can show soon.

My locomotive fleet was updated yesterday with the arrival of BNSF #3889 an ET44C4 by ScaleTrains. This loco is part of their Rivet Counter series and truly takes N scale detail to a new level in off-the-shelf equipment. It features factory-applied wire grab irons, snowplow, trainline hoses, 3-hose MU clusters, uncoupling levers, windshield wipers, mirrors, sunshades, air tanks  and more stuff.  This locomotive will be running with my Canadian Pacific ES44AC GEVOs which is within the bounds of credibility at least in my vision of reality.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/66/4229-200618120245.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=66702)

Webbo







Title: Re: Deadwood layout - unabridged and illustrated
Post by: njee20 on June 20, 2018, 01:15:27 PM
They look the part, and incredibly well priced; $205 sound fitted, or $125 analogue! Probably lucky all the UP ones have sold out, I get increasingly close to nearly starting a US collection!
Title: Re: Deadwood layout - unabridged and illustrated
Post by: Webbo on June 21, 2018, 03:04:20 AM
Hi njee20

I'm afraid that Model Trains Stuff has lots of the UP ET44 ScaleTrains locos in stock at the prices you mention. I obtained my BNSF loco from them and found that their postal prices were not too bad ($24 to Australia for my loco and a couple of other small items). This would be a good time for you to start a US collection with a loco that is tops for detail at a good price.

Webbo
Title: Re: Deadwood layout - unabridged and illustrated
Post by: Bealman on June 21, 2018, 03:33:59 AM
That is one uber cool looking locomotive. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Deadwood layout - unabridged and illustrated
Post by: keithbythe sea on June 21, 2018, 06:57:59 AM
Thank you for the update Webbo,  :thumbsup:

Nice looking loco, do you know if it is DCC ready? (Please say it isnít)  :uneasy:
Title: Re: Deadwood layout - unabridged and illustrated
Post by: Webbo on June 21, 2018, 07:32:14 AM
Thank you Keith.

I have some bad news for you. Not only is it DCC ready, but it also has the speaker enclosure for sound already fitted.
Title: Re: Deadwood layout - unabridged and illustrated
Post by: njee20 on June 21, 2018, 09:53:56 AM
Next 18 too, good to see them doing proper DCC compatibility unlike Kato. Resisting, for now...

Title: Re: Deadwood layout - unabridged and illustrated
Post by: Milton Rail on June 21, 2018, 10:30:46 AM
Great to see an update from you, glad to know it is not just me who finds other things to do so I can put off doing work on the layout because I need to make a decision or 3  :)
Title: Re: Deadwood layout - unabridged and illustrated
Post by: keithbythe sea on June 22, 2018, 07:07:04 AM
Thank you Keith.

I have some bad news for you. Not only is it DCC ready, but it also has the speaker enclosure for sound already fitted.

Oh no! Thatís terrible news. Really terrible news, if I get one of those I have no wagons or coaches to go with it. This could be very expensive.  :uneasy: