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General Category => Real Railway Discussion => Topic started by: 1936ace on July 29, 2014, 04:42:34 AM

Title: AD60 4-8-4 4-8-4 NSWGR Garrett
Post by: 1936ace on July 29, 2014, 04:42:34 AM
Hi all,
One of our Garrett's gets a new lease of life. Back as a kid I used to play on these and other locos when they were all stored at Rhonda Colliery near Newcastle nsw.

Enjoy!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ygut3SO5BH0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ygut3SO5BH0)

Bart
Title: Re: AD60 4-8-4 4-8-4 NSWGR Garrett
Post by: Bealman on July 29, 2014, 04:55:54 AM
That's terrific, isn't it. It sure has got a powerful whistle on it!! Thanks for posting!
Title: Re: AD60 4-8-4 4-8-4 NSWGR Garrett
Post by: Komata on July 29, 2014, 06:18:51 AM
Re: The whistle

It's a loverly sound isn't it?

FWIW: It is of the type known as a 'Chime' whistle and, curiously, the NZGR Ja (Jay A) class 4-8-2's carry a chime whistle that has an identical sound.   As the AD60 proves, that type of whistle can be VERY loud at close range (but then, 'scaring' people is of course the reasons they are fitted anyway isn't it?)

As I said, FWIW.
Title: Re: AD60 4-8-4 4-8-4 NSWGR Garrett
Post by: Chatty on July 29, 2014, 07:16:22 AM
Good to see one running again.

Remember them working the Cowan Bank.  It runs between Woy Woy and Cowan on the Main North Line.

BTW I think Phil Badger (Badger Bits) is preparing to manufacturer one in N Gauge.

Kind regards

Geoff
Title: Re: AD60 4-8-4 4-8-4 NSWGR Garrett
Post by: Komata on July 29, 2014, 09:13:35 AM
Chatty

Unfortunately Phil Badger couldn't get funding  so the project has died.

At AUD500.00 it was probably just a little bit too expensive for most modellers...

Title: Re: AD60 4-8-4 4-8-4 NSWGR Garrett
Post by: 1936ace on July 29, 2014, 10:06:47 AM
In HO the garret is over A$900
Bart
Title: Re: AD60 4-8-4 4-8-4 NSWGR Garrett
Post by: Karhedron on July 29, 2014, 11:31:15 AM
I was following Phil's efforts on kickstarter with some interest. The most expensive british steamers suchas the latest Farish and Dapol pacifics seem to retail around 110-130, that would give a top end price of around $230 (AUS).

The Garret was more than double that amount so I can see why people were hesitant. I am not saying that it does not necessarily represent good value for money but any commercial offering needs to consider what it will be compared to. If the same money will buy 2 top-of-the-line pacifics and leave change for rolling stock, it will always be a tough sell.

I wonder if the proposal would have done better in larger volumes. Phil was trying to sell about 110 locos at $500 each. If he had set a target of 250 locos, he would have been able to spread the R&D costs over more than twice as many locos and reduced the cost to something around $350.

I don't know what the potential market for this loco would be but I know that lower prices will result in more sales. Economies of scale always help. Thisis the reason why new locos in the UK usually have a batch size of at least 1000 units. Anything less would result in an unacceptably high price per loco.
Title: Re: AD60 4-8-4 4-8-4 NSWGR Garrett
Post by: 1936ace on July 29, 2014, 12:05:25 PM
So as a garret is sort of two locos,going by the prices we have to pay here it was not expensive as a 5mt is A$250. I maybe would have got one as a class 50 flieschmann is around A$400 by comparison but it would be a nice loco to have
Bart
Title: Re: AD60 4-8-4 4-8-4 NSWGR Garrett
Post by: Chatty on July 29, 2014, 12:58:48 PM
Thank you all for bringing me up to date with Phil's project.

I spoke to him at the Adelaide Exhibition in early June about it, but I haven't looked at his site in ages.  Hopefully he will come down to the Canberra for the exhibition this weekend.

I think probably something around the 110 in sales would be the upper limit here.  Doubt that there would be much interest in the UK for that particular loco.  Phil has a pretty good handle on what unit sales are likely to be.

As Bart has pointed out prices are quite high here, particularly for the home prototypes.   As he said the HO version of the Garret is over $900.  It is not uncommon here to see HO & N diesels around $300 upwards and kettles are $400 upwards.  Wagons start at around $50, although there are some at around $30 and, passenger coaches at around $100

Lower prices may increase sales, but they also lower profits.  However, in Australia it has always been a lack of critical mass not lower prices.

Unfortunately, the UK and Australia are two entirely different markets.

Kind regards

Geoff

Title: Re: AD60 4-8-4 4-8-4 NSWGR Garrett
Post by: Komata on July 29, 2014, 07:08:37 PM
Chatty

You do at least have a local N-scale industry; across the ditch, we have no such good fortune, so if anyone wants to use N to model NZ prototype, it's a solo-effort.  Lots of NZ120 and Sn 3 1/2 of course...

Oz N-scaler's are VERY lucky in that respect.

Shame about the AD60, but that's business I guess.
Title: Re: AD60 4-8-4 4-8-4 NSWGR Garrett
Post by: 1936ace on July 31, 2014, 12:09:06 PM
Local media coverage of the event

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-07-25/massive-steam-train-restored-in-canberra/5624482 (http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-07-25/massive-steam-train-restored-in-canberra/5624482)

Thanks
Bart