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Title: Graham Farish - Class 47's - From 1980's
Post by: Tank on January 22, 2011, 08:05:34 PM
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Title: Re: Graham Farish - Class 47's - From 1980's
Post by: tadpole on October 18, 2012, 02:18:23 PM
I have six of these in various liveries (green SYWP, blue, IC, ScotRail, NSE, RR respray), and I have had most of them for 25+ years.

Despite neglib... negligibib... almost zero maintenance, they all run really well, although some are noisy.

I'd like to buy some new livery variations, but am loath to spend 80 or whatever on new locos c/w chassis, when all my existing chassis run so well.
And of course Chinese bodies don't fit on Poole chassis. (Chassises?)

I have just the one Chinese one (green with full yellow ends), and whilst the body/livery application is superior, it does sit rather high on its chassis which detracts very slightly from its appearance.
Title: Re: Graham Farish - Class 47's - From 1980's
Post by: Dr Al on October 19, 2012, 09:30:51 AM
Despite neglib... negligibib... almost zero maintenance, they all run really well, although some are noisy.

They can be made to run smoother and more quietly with proper overhaul - they probably are crying out for this if you've not done any maintenance on them....

Cheers,
Alan
Title: Re: Graham Farish - Class 47's - From 1980's
Post by: Muppetman on October 03, 2013, 11:23:18 PM
I have six of these in various liveries (green SYWP, blue, IC, ScotRail, NSE, RR respray), and I have had most of them for 25+ years

I'd like to buy some new livery variations, but am loath to spend 80 or whatever on new locos c/w chassis, when all my existing chassis run so well.
And of course Chinese bodies don't fit on Poole chassis.

Have you tried eBay, you can pick 474 or 612 up for between 30 & 50, either new or used, l bought about 4, the latter 47 models sit lower and look better.
Cheers
Title: Re: Graham Farish - Class 47's - From 1980's
Post by: simonprelude on October 04, 2013, 10:55:54 AM
I've got a railfreight triple grey body somewhere, used to run it on my Poole class 37 chassis if anyone is interested I'll list it for sale.
Title: Re: Graham Farish - Class 47's - From 1980's
Post by: simonprelude on October 04, 2013, 11:08:16 AM
Just seen a 47's from the 90's thread as well, so mine might well be that......
Title: Re: Graham Farish - Class 47's - From 1980's
Post by: Agrippa on October 04, 2013, 03:50:51 PM
My Poole made "Track 29" makes a growling noise, but runs well. Sounds like it's been fitted for sound!
Title: Re: Graham Farish - Class 47's - From 1980's
Post by: Chris in Prague on November 12, 2013, 12:09:47 PM
I'm having a batch of old Graham Farrish Class 47s, in various liveries, overhauled at BRLines and some will be surplus to requirements (now new models can be picked up much cheaper) so if you want to add to your stock (and see how a refurbished model runs in comparison with your never-been-serviced ones), please, send me a private message.
Title: Re: Graham Farish - Class 47's - From 1980's
Post by: ParkeNd on November 12, 2013, 01:06:10 PM
The Minitrix 47's run like a Rolls Royce if you are considering eBay. Used to have two.
Title: Re: Graham Farish - Class 47's - From 1980's
Post by: Newportnobby on November 12, 2013, 03:50:01 PM
I'm having a batch of old Graham Farrish Class 47s, in various liveries, overhauled at BRLines and some will be surplus to requirements (now new models can be picked up much cheaper) so if you want to add to your stock (and see how a refurbished model runs in comparison with your never-been-serviced ones), please, send me a private message.

You have a PM, Chris :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Graham Farish - Class 47's - From 1980's
Post by: Jerry Howlett on November 12, 2013, 04:18:59 PM
The Minitrix 47's run like a Rolls Royce if you are considering eBay. Used to have two.
ParkeNd you keep singing the praises of the minitrix ones.
I have one in all blue with large logo the "Queen Mother". I was going to Falconise it but thanks to EP I now think I should look for a green body to make it more suitable for my pre 66 era.
Title: Re: Graham Farish - Class 47's - From 1980's
Post by: Chris in Prague on November 12, 2013, 04:40:52 PM
I HAD wondered about the Minitrix Class 47s that go for good prices on eBay. I had assumed that they were not very good models even if they ran very well as Minitrix locos do. (I had a Minitrix Class 27 and Class 42 Warship.)
Title: Re: Graham Farish - Class 47's - From 1980's
Post by: ParkeNd on November 12, 2013, 11:39:27 PM
The Minitrix 47's run like a Rolls Royce if you are considering eBay. Used to have two.
ParkeNd you keep singing the praises of the minitrix ones.
I have one in all blue with large logo the "Queen Mother". I was going to Falconise it but thanks to EP I now think I should look for a green body to make it more suitable for my pre 66 era.

Must confess to a long term liking of old Minitrix. Back when I originally dabbled with N gauge (1994?) Farish was pre-Bachmann and a little plain compared with Minitrix. I must admit that the wheel arrangements of Brit outline on German chassis look pretty odd now on locos like the Minitrix Ivatt 2MT but at the time Minitrix A1, A3, A4 were pretty hard to walk away from in a train shop. The two Class 47s I had ran so well that they upstaged the steam locos.

My profound apologies for mentioning Minitrix to anyone who grew up in the age of Bachmann and Dapol. I won't do it again - even should I remember that I got more for my Minitrix locos when I sold them than when they were new.
Title: Re: Graham Farish - Class 47's - From 1980's
Post by: EtchedPixels on November 15, 2013, 04:30:54 PM
I still have some Minitrix bits - the 47 pulls the track cleaning train which is more than much of the modern stuff can do.
Title: Re: Graham Farish - Class 47's - From 1980's
Post by: Chris in Prague on November 15, 2013, 06:08:32 PM
Hmm, looks like I should buy a Minitrix Class 47, then, but where to send them for servicing / repair? Back in the 1970s I sent my old Class 27 model to Minitrix for a full service and it came back as good as new. My Minitrix Class 42 was run long enough to ever need servicing.
Title: Re: Graham Farish - Class 47's - From 1980's
Post by: Chris in Prague on November 15, 2013, 06:09:56 PM
There's an old Grafar BR Green model of D1662 "Isambard Kingdom Brunel" on eBay, at the moment.
Title: Re: Graham Farish - Class 47's - From 1980's
Post by: EtchedPixels on November 15, 2013, 06:40:02 PM
Hmm, looks like I should buy a Minitrix Class 47, then, but where to send them for servicing / repair?

I don't understand the question   ;)

You just clean old oil out and re-lubricate them every five or ten years and maybe change the brushes every decade or so.

Alan
Title: Re: Graham Farish - Class 47's - From 1980's
Post by: Chris in Prague on November 15, 2013, 06:51:57 PM
Thanks, Alan. So, with a little TLC, as you describe, they just keep going and going, then! 8-)
Title: Re: Graham Farish - Class 47's - From 1980's
Post by: Chris in Prague on November 15, 2013, 06:56:40 PM
BRLines informed me, today, that the first 3 inspected / serviced / repaired Class 47s are on their way back to me. "Crewe Diesel Depot" is already sold to a gentleman on this forum but "Track 29" is not nor is the very old BR Blue 47, if anyone is interested. (I will keep one of the later BR Blue 47455s that should be coming from BRLines, later, have it DCC-fitted and renumbered to a pre-TOPs number for the occasional times when I want to run post-1967 and up to 1969 period trains. There should be an IC livery one coming, too, later, which I don't want, either.
Title: Re: Graham Farish - Class 47's - From 1980's
Post by: Jerry Howlett on November 16, 2013, 01:47:31 PM
I know this will get moved to another topic (and then never be seen again) but I have a large logo Queen Mother in blue that is out of my era. Anyone want to swap (just the body) for a green version!

Jerry
Title: Re: Graham Farish - Class 47's - From 1980's
Post by: Newportnobby on November 16, 2013, 04:52:59 PM
I admit to seeing the Queen Mother wearing blue, but never green :-X
Title: Re: Graham Farish - Class 47's - From 1980's
Post by: Jerry Howlett on November 17, 2013, 02:56:10 PM
I admit to seeing the Queen Mother wearing blue, but never green :-X

That version had a very short chassis as well!
Title: Re: Graham Farish - Class 47's - From 1980's
Post by: EtchedPixels on November 17, 2013, 08:26:51 PM
I admit to seeing the Queen Mother wearing blue, but never green :-X

That version had a very short chassis as well!

And apparently needed regular lubrication ;-)
Title: Re: Graham Farish - Class 47's - From 1980's
Post by: Chris in Prague on January 27, 2014, 06:12:33 PM
I'm having a batch of old Graham Farrish Class 47s, in various liveries, overhauled at BRLines and some will be surplus to requirements (now new models can be picked up much cheaper) so if you want to add to your stock (and see how a refurbished model runs in comparison with your never-been-serviced ones), please, send me a private message.

I have two in BR Blue as 47 4XX, ex-BR Lines. One is reserved but one is for sale. Please, PM me.
Title: Re: Graham Farish - Class 47's - From 1980's
Post by: Chris in Prague on January 27, 2014, 06:15:14 PM
The Minitrix 47's run like a Rolls Royce if you are considering eBay. Used to have two.

I treated myself to an InterCity liveried one had it serviced at BRLInes (nothing wrong with it) and sent it to Wickness for DCC fitting (not done, yet, as Douglas reckoned it was worth it). However, my D1662 is ex-works two months early so, reluctantly, my Minitrix Class 47 is also available for sale. 8-( (InterCity livery although it looks great on a Class 47 is WAY past my time period, anyway!)
Title: Re: Graham Farish - Class 47's - From 1980's
Post by: Geoff on January 27, 2014, 07:05:30 PM
I have a Class 47 in Post Office livery with the coaches as well, I have recently fixed a split gear and it is very noisy after a good lube the power needs to be at 50% before it even starts to move, do you think it needs a new motor?
Title: Re: Graham Farish - Class 47's - From 1980's
Post by: Muppetman on January 27, 2014, 09:40:22 PM
I have a Class 47 in Post Office livery with the coaches as well, I have recently fixed a split gear and it is very noisy after a good lube the power needs to be at 50% before it even starts to move, do you think it needs a new motor?

Give BR lines a ring, the nice man knows his stuff and will point you in the right direction.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Graham Farish - Class 47's - From 1980's
Post by: Chris in Prague on January 27, 2014, 09:43:33 PM
Yes, Bob at BRLines is amazing but the delay is in months to get your locos back because his service is so good!
Title: Re: Graham Farish - Class 47's - From 1980's
Post by: Muppetman on January 27, 2014, 09:48:00 PM
Yes, Bob at BRLines is amazing but the delay is in months to get your locos back because his service is so good!

Yep he is thorough but he will also give you DIY suggestions to solve a problem, he has phoned be back in the past and stopped me buying a full set of gears for my eBay purchased 31, he just sold be bearings!!
Title: Re: Graham Farish - Class 47's - From 1980's
Post by: Only Me on January 27, 2014, 10:06:58 PM
I have a Class 47 in Post Office livery with the coaches as well, I have recently fixed a split gear and it is very noisy after a good lube the power needs to be at 50% before it even starts to move, do you think it needs a new motor?

No i would say a good service and possibly a bearing or two... If you have changed a gear are you positive it was a correct swap as a slightly enlarged one which looks the same will slow the motion..
Title: Re: Graham Farish - Class 47's - From 1980's
Post by: Geoff on January 27, 2014, 10:41:35 PM
Well the 47 would not move at all untill the wheel cogs were changed, and after close inspection the cogs were split, i will try to get the motor out at the weekend, and see if I can see where the problem is.

I did open up the spigot with a drill bit to make sure the new whells ran free, plenty of lube inserted, but i shall keep at it until the 47 is like new again.

Thanks for the input folks.
Title: Re: Graham Farish - Class 47's - From 1980's
Post by: Chris in Prague on January 28, 2014, 07:22:32 AM
Yes, Bob at BRLines is amazing but the delay is in months to get your locos back because his service is so good!

Yep he is thorough but he will also give you DIY suggestions to solve a problem, he has phoned be back in the past and stopped me buying a full set of gears for my eBay purchased 31, he just sold be bearings!!

He really is an 'old school guy' not out to make a big profit (his prices are amazingly low). Incredibly good service.
Title: Re: Graham Farish - Class 47's - From 1980's
Post by: DesertHound on October 04, 2014, 06:52:38 PM
I have a multitude of these, mostly 90's but a few 80's (at least one) as well. Have Lady Diana Spencer, complete with working lights. Needs fettling but I haven't gotten around to it yet.

It's a Poole Farish and whilst I cannot give it top marks, it gets a "Good" from me (are you guys seeing a trend here?)  :P

Now, always puzzles me why early 80's models had lights, and then they did away with them. Might fit all my 47's with LED's - the slot is there are the chassis ends.

Dan
Title: Re: Graham Farish - Class 47's - From 1980's
Post by: Dr Al on October 04, 2014, 06:55:55 PM
Now, always puzzles me why early 80's models had lights, and then they did away with them.

Cost cutting!

Cheers,
Alan
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