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Title: Union Mills locos - photos
Post by: Elvinley on June 20, 2011, 08:42:18 PM
What can I say that hasn't been said about these amazing locos. Smooth runners straight out of the box. They will pull anything you throw at them and they look lovely with a bit of weathering. Locos will be sent to you as soon as you order and you can order by phone or email.

Photos of these are rare so here are some of my locos:

Southern 700
(http://fc06.deviantart.net/fs70/i/2011/171/a/a/union_mills_southern_700_by_silentwake-d3jfk05.jpg)

Super D
(http://fc00.deviantart.net/fs71/i/2011/171/9/b/union_mills_super_d_by_silentwake-d3jfkg8.jpg)

Q2
(http://fc03.deviantart.net/fs71/i/2011/171/6/a/union_mills_q2_by_silentwake-d3jfked.jpg)

LMS 3F
(http://fc04.deviantart.net/fs70/i/2011/171/d/5/union_mills_3f_by_silentwake-d3jfk8j.jpg)

SDJR 2P
(http://fc03.deviantart.net/fs70/i/2011/171/e/5/union_mills_2p_by_silentwake-d3jfkb8.jpg)
Title: Re: Union Mills locos - photos
Post by: longbridge on June 20, 2011, 09:25:40 PM
Lovely locos, seems to me that everyone loves the Union Mills loco's, wish they had a website so I could buy online from Australia.
Title: Re: Union Mills locos - photos
Post by: Irish Padre on June 20, 2011, 10:20:25 PM
Colin Heard (the proprietor of UM) has customers all over the world; it would be an expensive phone call but in 5 minutes he could take your c/card details and have a loco on its way !! I have 5 of his locos ; only a rigid acquisition policy of 1950s LM region locos holds me back from double figures!!!
Title: Re: Union Mills locos - photos
Post by: Jonathan Clapp on June 20, 2011, 10:29:06 PM
Thanks for the pics man, I cant get enough of UM engines.
Icame.jpg
I actually joined RMweb.co.uk (http://www.rmweb.co.uk/) just for this thread (http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/12615-union-mills/page__st__50)
Title: Re: Union Mills locos - photos
Post by: Elvinley on June 21, 2011, 05:06:30 AM
Yeah I saw that one. There is so little in the way of UM photos on the internet, it's a shame.
Title: Re: Union Mills locos - photos
Post by: MTSI Rail on June 21, 2011, 07:49:24 PM
You guys all know I am a great fan of Union Mills locos - the photos speak more than the proverbial thousand words for these excellent little jobs. It may be of interest to know that having got fed up with a Bachmann/Farish 4F 0-6-0 which slid to a standstill at the sight of a reasonable gradient (1 in 40 to be exact) and that was light engine - forget any load! I contacted Colin Heard and he kinly supplied me with a Fowler pattern tender whreupon I stripped out the Bachmann/Farish motor and fitted the Union Mills tender wiring it up to collect one side fropm the locos and bing! I now have a 4F that works as well as my Union Mills 2f and 3F not to mention the G2 , 7F and the other fifteen UM locos in my collection. (My tastes extend from LMS, LNER and SR pre -BR to the same things in BR transition days)
Title: Re: Union Mills locos - photos
Post by: fisherman on June 21, 2011, 08:11:03 PM
I double head a 2p and a 3f onmt S & D layout....they look fantastic
Title: Re: Union Mills locos - photos
Post by: port perran on June 21, 2011, 09:09:44 PM
Seems that Union Mills has passed me by.
There appears to be no website - do they have a catalogue etc and do they produce former GWR locos.
Can someone point me in the right direction.

Many Thanks
Title: Re: Union Mills locos - photos
Post by: Elvinley on June 21, 2011, 09:29:05 PM
Strangely there is no website! You will find small adverts in magazines however. Here is some info: http://www.ukmodelshops.co.uk/suppliers/456-Union_Mills_Models
Title: Re: Union Mills locos - photos
Post by: Elvinley on June 21, 2011, 09:29:39 PM
You guys all know I am a great fan of Union Mills locos - the photos speak more than the proverbial thousand words for these excellent little jobs. It may be of interest to know that having got fed up with a Bachmann/Farish 4F 0-6-0 which slid to a standstill at the sight of a reasonable gradient (1 in 40 to be exact) and that was light engine - forget any load! I contacted Colin Heard and he kinly supplied me with a Fowler pattern tender whreupon I stripped out the Bachmann/Farish motor and fitted the Union Mills tender wiring it up to collect one side fropm the locos and bing! I now have a 4F that works as well as my Union Mills 2f and 3F not to mention the G2 , 7F and the other fifteen UM locos in my collection. (My tastes extend from LMS, LNER and SR pre -BR to the same things in BR transition days)

Great idea!
Title: Re: Union Mills locos - photos
Post by: EtchedPixels on June 21, 2011, 09:39:11 PM
Seems that Union Mills has passed me by.
There appears to be no website - do they have a catalogue etc and do they produce former GWR locos.
Can someone point me in the right direction.

Many Thanks

I've never seen anything GWR in the price list. All the models are inside cylinder tender locos in fairly plain liveries and reasonably large tenders (for the motor). That lets Union Mills use a standard mechanism and keep their pricing sensible despite being a small vendor.


Title: Re: Union Mills locos - photos
Post by: Vulcan on June 21, 2011, 11:12:50 PM
My LMS 7F

(http://i250.photobucket.com/albums/gg247/dieselmechanical/DSCF6511.jpg)

Brilliant engine. Not the most detailed, but its got a good shape and is very powerful and smooth running.
Title: Re: Union Mills locos - photos
Post by: Jonathan Clapp on June 21, 2011, 11:28:32 PM
Heres the 2F and 3F both in BR liveries fresh out of the box then ;)

[url]http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o240/ZunnanDeclawed/Railway%20Modelling/IMG_4149.jpg[/url]

Nice pic. I buffed it up a bit for you.
(http://i894.photobucket.com/albums/ac147/Jonathan_Clapp/IMG_4149fixed.jpg)
http://i894.photobucket.com/albums/ac147/Jonathan_Clapp/IMG_4149fixed.jpg
Title: Re: Union Mills locos - photos
Post by: Jonathan Clapp on June 21, 2011, 11:48:09 PM
My LMS 7F

[url]http://i250.photobucket.com/albums/gg247/dieselmechanical/DSCF6511.jpg[/url]

Brilliant engine. Not the most detailed, but its got a good shape and is very powerful and smooth running.


dont mind me. just doing a bit of sweeping up.
(http://i894.photobucket.com/albums/ac147/Jonathan_Clapp/DSCF6511fixed.jpg)
http://i894.photobucket.com/albums/ac147/Jonathan_Clapp/DSCF6511fixed.jpg
Title: Union Mill loco for sale
Post by: Rob H on June 22, 2011, 03:53:51 PM
As a "Newbie" to N gauge, or any other gauge, I read this topic with great interest and thought I must get a brochure and price list.

Earlier today I popped into my local model shop - Frizinghall Model Railways in Bradford to pick up some odds and ends. Whilst looking in the N gauge second hand display cabinet I thought I saw what looked like a Union Mill box and asked the guy there, Sam who has been a great help to me, if I could have a look - guess what ? it wasn't a Union Mill !

He obviously saw the look of disappointment on my face and told that they'd just taken not 1 but 2 Union Mill models in second hand and had just put them on their second hand internet site - Traintraders !

Well I am now the proud owner of a Class 2P 4-4-0 in BR Black ! the condition is fantastic and it runs better than anything else I've got, mainly Farish.

The point to this rambling is not to brag about my new loco but to let anyone interested know that the other one they have is a 3F Br Black and the price is 55.98 and is from the same guy as mine and is in fantastic condition, Sam reckons they've not been run.

The following is the link :-

http://www.traintraders.com/acatalog/000848.jpg

Good luck,

Rob.


oops ! link is   http://www.traintraders.com/acatalog/Online_Catalogue_Locomotives_30.html
Title: Re: Union Mills locos - photos
Post by: Elvinley on June 22, 2011, 04:17:37 PM
Excellent! I saw them on the website. If they were locos I didn't have already I would have been sorely tempted!
Title: Re: Union Mills locos - photos
Post by: Rob H on June 22, 2011, 08:39:12 PM
I've now had a chance to run my new UM and seem to have a bit of a problem - the tender seems to wobble, at any speed, accompanied by a strange "echoy" noise !

Any idea what the problem might be ?
Title: Re: Union Mills locos - photos
Post by: Rob H on June 22, 2011, 08:59:28 PM
Please excuse me I'm a complete newcomer to all this - I've just had a look at the tender and 2 of the wheels on the same side, the 2 outer ones appear to have a rubber covering on them.

Is this normal or should I remove them ?

Help please,

Rob.
Title: Re: Union Mills locos - photos
Post by: Vulcan on June 22, 2011, 09:23:43 PM
The rubber coverings on two of the tender wheels are traction tyres, they allow the loco to haul the phenominal loads they are capable of. Don't remove them, it will run better with them then without them.
Title: Re: Union Mills locos - photos
Post by: MTSI Rail on June 23, 2011, 12:19:51 PM
The only problem I've had with a UM loco was my Fowler 7F which would not run smoothly at low speed, despite running it in - not usually required - and ensuring that everything was otherwise OK. I returned it to Colin Heard who agreed there was a problem but could not define it - he did promptly replaced the drive unit and, now, like all my other 18 or so UM locos, it runs as smooth as a baby's bottom. In passing the loco was sent and returned within a week - excellent service!  Never, ever had a tender wobble problem, but traction tyres would seem the obvious cause which can quickly be rectified .
Title: Re: Union Mills locos - photos
Post by: Rob H on June 24, 2011, 04:59:26 PM
Could you tell me how to rectify please
Title: Re: Union Mills locos - photos
Post by: Portpatrick on July 22, 2011, 08:19:12 PM
only my second post since joining the forum.  So sorry if it should be elsewhere, but this item reminds me!  If the moderators want to move it, fine by me. 

I have 2 U/M locos one of which is the 2P.  It may be simple by current Daprol and G/F stabdards but it still looks great and unlike the saying of some enginemen =- it will not slip on Blackpool sands.

I did find that the leading bogie would split the point when going over the diverging route - even on large radius.  I tried adjusting the Guage - I have the N Soc back to back gauge - but nothing worked.  Adjustments to back to back have cured derailments on points with other locos.  I substituted alternative wheelsets from the doofer box, and not those horrible tiny ex Poole G/F jobs.  It is now OK.  A friend at the Club had a similar issue with a T9.  Have others encountered this problem with these or other leading bogies U/Ms?  My J25 is fine.
Title: Re: Union Mills locos - photos
Post by: painbrook on July 23, 2011, 01:06:19 PM
Never had any problems with UM and I'm sure Colin will help . Have you got his phone No. ? . Cheers john .
Title: Re: Union Mills locos - photos
Post by: MTSI Rail on July 24, 2011, 04:58:06 PM
Hi Portpatrick,

Never encountered a bogie problem with UM - Dapol, yes, but UM never. As you've changed the wheels it makes involving Colin a bit academic. Have you checked your point work for accurate alignment, grit in the frog or check rails (if you've ballasted), or variation of level? All of these things can derail the best built leading bogie. Another test which can point to trackwork being the problem is if bogie locos trail through the point work OK. Hope this mught help.

Cheers.
Title: Re: Union Mills locos - photos
Post by: 4x2 on August 24, 2011, 11:24:54 PM
only my second post since joining the forum.  So sorry if it should be elsewhere, but this item reminds me!  If the moderators want to move it, fine by me. 

I have 2 U/M locos one of which is the 2P.  It may be simple by current Daprol and G/F stabdards but it still looks great and unlike the saying of some enginemen =- it will not slip on Blackpool sands.

I did find that the leading bogie would split the point when going over the diverging route - even on large radius.  I tried adjusting the Guage - I have the N Soc back to back gauge - but nothing worked.  Adjustments to back to back have cured derailments on points with other locos.  I substituted alternative wheelsets from the doofer box, and not those horrible tiny ex Poole G/F jobs.  It is now OK.  A friend at the Club had a similar issue with a T9.  Have others encountered this problem with these or other leading bogies U/Ms?  My J25 is fine.
Just bought 2P in BR black - Runs beautifully over both streamline and setrack points without a twich, I'm so impressed I was tempted to sell all my steamers and go Union Mills only (except for money... again :() ! Colin Heards service is superb, i'm sure if you have a persistant problem i'm sure he'd help to resolve it.  (can't imagine that from dapol..... :evil:)
Title: Re: Union Mills locos - photos
Post by: Paul B on August 27, 2011, 05:14:59 PM
I recently ordered a B12/3 from Union Mills, and asked for it to be delivered by recorded delivery, as I live in a flat - left it for 10 days and, when I hadn't received it, I gave Colin a call, only to discover that he had gone on a months holiday!  :( (Not that I would begrudge anyone their Summer holiday!)

When he came back, I told him that I still hadn't received the loco. He was upset by this, and sent another one out that day by special next day delivery! I said that I had hoped that the Post Office had just not delivered it to me, and I wondered if it had ended up back with him - he said it hadn't, but that I shouldn't worry, he would just claim off the Post Office, especially as it was sent Recorded.

 The next day, I got the card through the door, and collected it a couple of days later from the Post Office.  And it runs as well as everyone else says UM models always run, despite it being subjected to a two day open event at the local model railway club! Next I want a J39, and will probably buy the UM one rather than the new Farish example (even if it is a little cheaper than UM's!)
Title: Re: Union Mills locos - photos
Post by: MTSI Rail on August 27, 2011, 08:41:49 PM
Paul,
I have two J39's - like all UM they are brilliant - will pull as many wagons as you can hang on the tender on your layout - I've managed to fit thirty-odd as a maximum on my little layout and all my UM 0-6-0's cope with this without breaking sweat. The 2mm scale firemen are not that happy though........ ;D ;D  I would hazard a guess that the Bachmann version, however good, will be dearer the way prices are going up like they are rocket powered!

Rog.
Title: Re: Union Mills locos - photos
Post by: Bob(K) on November 17, 2011, 06:45:23 PM
Great pictures and judging by the comments high quality performers too. A quick question. How are the couplers fitted? Are they in NEM boxes and can be popped out easily, or are they more permanently fitted?

Bob
Title: Re: Union Mills locos - photos
Post by: Dr Al on November 17, 2011, 07:00:46 PM
Great pictures and judging by the comments high quality performers too. A quick question. How are the couplers fitted? Are they in NEM boxes and can be popped out easily, or are they more permanently fitted?

Bob

Standard spring and coupler box, the same as old Farish/Trix. Not NEM.

Cheers,
Alan
Title: Re: Union Mills locos - photos
Post by: Bob(K) on November 18, 2011, 09:59:23 AM
Thanks for the information Alan, very helpful.

Bob
Title: Re: Union Mills locos - photos
Post by: johnson on November 20, 2011, 08:03:12 PM
Brilliant loco's - not as detailed as some of Colin Heard's more illustrious competitors but they dont fall apart they are smooth runners and will pull the coal out of the cellar !!
Title: Re: Union Mills locos - photos
Post by: Newportnobby on November 20, 2011, 08:07:54 PM
Hi and welcome to the forum :wave: Let us know what you're up to in the modelling world - we don't bite :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Union Mills locos - photos
Post by: Dave F on December 08, 2011, 10:26:15 PM
I've just taken delivery of a J25 and D20 and fell for them as soon as they came out of the box. They're the first N gauge locos I've owned that don't feel as though they won't fall apart as soon as you pick them up. All I want are tough little locos that run nicely and go on forever and these fit the bill. They also fit in nicely with the ex-LNER layout I'm trying to build, so they win out all round. The only other loco's I've been this smitten with are the Grafar Fowler 4F 0-6-0's that have been rock solid for me.

I know lots of people love the big A1's and express loco's but my heart lies with 0-6-0 tender loco's and everything branch line.
Title: Re: Union Mills locos - photos
Post by: Newportnobby on December 09, 2011, 09:31:55 AM
Hi Dave,
Hardly a soul has anything bad to say about the UM models, so they are definitely doing something right! :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Union Mills locos - photos
Post by: BobB on December 09, 2011, 04:26:36 PM
As a diesel modeler, there's not a lot of interest from me in Union Mills locomotives. But it is interesting that there most valued attributes are good runners and solid build - not the level of detail.

Could Farish and Dapol learn from this ?
Title: Re: Union Mills locos - photos
Post by: Paul B on December 09, 2011, 06:42:12 PM
As a diesel modeler, there's not a lot of interest from me in Union Mills locomotives. But it is interesting that there most valued attributes are good runners and solid build - not the level of detail.

Could Farish and Dapol learn from this ?

Highly likely - when an N gauge loco is rattling around a layout, can anyone really spot the exact details that Dapol and GF put on their locos?  My favourite loco I own (until I bought a UM B12 that is!) is my Minitrix A4 Sir Nigel Gresley - now some people say that it is built on a continental chassis, and isn't quite the right size for an A4. My reply would be that it looks enough like an A4 when it is running - and it is reliable and pulls a full 12 coach train, so what more can I ask for?
Title: Re: Union Mills locos - photos
Post by: 4x2 on December 09, 2011, 06:57:45 PM
Couldn't agree more ! Union Mills make superb runners, I understand that there is great demand for their loco's and i'm hoping that they'll expand their range to cover GWR loco's as well - Plenty of 0-6-0's and a couple of 4-4-0's for the picking !

I would very much like to see a S&D 7F, but i do understand the difficulties in producing the valve gear that would make this idea very challenging to such a small company.

I can dream though... ;D
Title: Re: Union Mills locos - photos
Post by: Paul B on December 09, 2011, 07:02:17 PM
When I last spoke to Colin after getting my B12, I asked whether he had ever though of attempting a J15 (his literature says that his father worked at Stratford, and he loves the GER area of the LNER.) He said that it is a loco he would love to make, but the tender is a little too small to get his present motor in - but he hinted that he may think about it in the future...  :)
Title: Re: Union Mills locos - photos
Post by: Zaonite on December 23, 2011, 11:21:17 PM
I've got a wonderful G2 loco and it runs like a dream. It's powerful too.

The only issues I have with the locos are the fuss in converting to DCC and the electrical pick up system.
Ideally all of the driving wheels should have pick ups on them and I'm sure it would be possible to re-tool the tender to make the coal load a little thinner so you don't need to drill the coal out of the tender to fit a chip! (sorry Colin, it's not really that much of a fuss, just an awkward job)
 
Otherwise I'm fully impressed!
Title: Re: Union Mills locos - photos
Post by: Mike J on December 29, 2011, 11:39:02 PM
This is my Q2 which will pull the 60 wagon coal trains that the prototype was designed for. I have cut down the tender and modified it to the original GNR type with coal rails. The whole ensemble has been detailed with steam pipes and draw gear, guard irons, lamp irons, sand boxes and pipes, oil boxes, reversing rod, brakes, crew, and real coal. Since this photo was taken, the weathering on the tender has been toned down, the loco has been renumbered and I've put the LNER logo on the tender. My J11, J39s, and J25 have undergone/are undergoing a similar upgrade. All run reliably and will pull anything asked of them. I would recommend Union Mills products to anyone. http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/gallery/image/26820-dsc02339jpg/ (http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/gallery/image/26820-dsc02339jpg/)
 
Title: Re: Union Mills locos - photos
Post by: Elvinley on December 30, 2011, 11:58:07 AM
Looks great Mike. An excellent loco - one of the best UM in my opinion.
Title: Re: Union Mills locos - photos
Post by: brbluewill on December 31, 2011, 02:36:44 AM
here's one to watch for the union mills fans ;) http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/N-Gauge-LNER-Union-Mills-CLASS-D20-4-4-0-GREEN-/330664441233?pt=UK_Trains_Railway_Models&hash=item4cfd22f591 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/N-Gauge-LNER-Union-Mills-CLASS-D20-4-4-0-GREEN-/330664441233?pt=UK_Trains_Railway_Models&hash=item4cfd22f591)

just wish they would do a gwr loco :'(
Title: Re: Union Mills locos - photos
Post by: Elvinley on May 10, 2012, 11:18:55 PM
Just did some research on the GNR Q2s (one of the Union Mills locos I have). Seems they were all scrapped by the mid 30s! Mine in it's early BR logo is obviously incorrect. Happily, I don't care :)
Title: Re: Union Mills locos - photos
Post by: EtchedPixels on May 10, 2012, 11:35:27 PM
just wish they would do a gwr loco :'(

I'm not sure Colin can - they all use the same very neat and chunky tender drive unit, and it's quite big (in fact several of his locos have the wrong tender really in order to fit it). GWR tenders were mostly quite small.

Alan
Title: Re: Union Mills locos - photos
Post by: Elvinley on May 11, 2012, 08:25:17 AM
The Collett 0-6-0 with ROD tender would be one he may get away with but he probably wouldn't want to do this loco because of the Peco one.
Title: Union Mills locos - pulling 40 coaches
Post by: Kettle on May 11, 2012, 08:37:21 AM
Hi, the Berkshire Area Group were exhibiting their large 4 track modular layout at the Rural Life Centre near Farnham on the 5th May , where one of our members UM locos was pulling 40 coaches!!
Can you do better than that? ;D
 :A1Tornado: :Carriage: (X40)
Title: Re: Union Mills locos - photos
Post by: Elvinley on May 11, 2012, 09:27:42 AM
It probably wasn't even struggling.
Title: Re: Union Mills locos - photos
Post by: painbrook on May 12, 2012, 06:42:05 PM
Why would Colin want to build GWR locos when he could be building L&Y 0-6-0s. Question for EP, talking of tender sizes, could Colin fit a motor into an Aspinal L&Y 0-6-0?. Cheers john.
Title: Re: Union Mills locos - photos
Post by: EtchedPixels on May 12, 2012, 10:09:25 PM
Why would Colin want to build GWR locos when he could be building L&Y 0-6-0s. Question for EP, talking of tender sizes, could Colin fit a motor into an Aspinal L&Y 0-6-0?. Cheers john.


I doubt it, if it's this loco you mean (I think you ask Dapol to make it judging by the way the prototype slips with a few coaches ;))

L&Y 0-6-0 No. 957 pushes ECS out of Keighley with lots of slipping on KWVR winter steam gala 2011. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q6_gnGXK-cM#)

Check the tender wheelbase. The other option (see marvellous article in the NGS magazine) is to use a Dapol terrier. As they have gearing between the wheels you can take off the coupling rods and the mechanism is very small.

Title: Re: Union Mills locos - photos
Post by: painbrook on May 13, 2012, 06:13:47 PM
EP, just the very thing, sadly our gauge and pre grouping don't mix :'(. Cheers john.
Title: Re: Union Mills locos - photos
Post by: thebrighton on May 13, 2012, 06:46:17 PM
EP, just the very thing, sadly our gauge and pre grouping don't mix :'(. Cheers john.

Greetings,
In what way don't they mix? I've a number of LBSC & LSWR locos.
Gareth
Title: Re: Union Mills locos - photos
Post by: EtchedPixels on May 13, 2012, 11:16:23 PM
EP, just the very thing, sadly our gauge and pre grouping don't mix :'(. Cheers john.

There is a fair bit of pre-group or backdate-able stuff around. In some ways pre-group mixes very well from a bashing and building perspective. The nice straight round boilers are a godsend compared with taper boilers and later styles of firebox.

Alan (currently tidying up a battered SHT Avonside he acquired, and peering over plans for the LNER (ex GE) F5.
Title: Re: Union Mills locos - photos
Post by: painbrook on May 14, 2012, 06:14:49 PM
 EP and Gareth, I take you're point entirely, personally I know I've not the skill, ability or patient required anymore, especially in N gauge :o, twenty years ago maybe. Bought a Dapol Stroudly 'terrier' when they came out and then a set of etched carriages, halfway through the first carriage I admitted defeat (eyesight and the wobbles). Thats probably why I like UM locos so much. Tell me guys whats out there for Pre LMS in the way of goods and coaching stock. Cheers john.
Title: Re: Union Mills locos - photos
Post by: EtchedPixels on May 14, 2012, 06:30:12 PM
Pretty much all kits, but some private owner wagons and a MR brake van (a curiosity Peco did)

The biggest problem I find with pregrouping is the liveries. Was the SECR a railway company or a government operation to find jobs for unemployed painters ?
Title: Re: Union Mills locos - photos
Post by: thebrighton on May 14, 2012, 06:33:23 PM
Noy to sure about pre LMS as not really my area but there are some etched kits out there that are very easy. To save Alan the embarassment of mentioning his own products have you tried the Etched Pixels coaches to go with the Terrier. No solder is needed; the floor and sides are one piece which you fold up like a box and you can glue the corners. If you want to glaze them then some clear acetate can be glued on the inside. You can then glue on the roof. You can detail/alter the Peco wagon chassis as much as you like or you can just use it as is. Being LBSCR you can just paint them a dark brown. There is very little lettering but if you want to Alan also has the relevant transfers.
Gareth
Title: Re: Union Mills locos - photos
Post by: painbrook on May 15, 2012, 03:04:04 PM
Many thanks guys. Cheers john.
Title: Re: Union Mills locos - photos
Post by: MinZaPint on June 01, 2012, 02:58:20 PM
Well this thread was supposed to be all about photos so here's mine, long awaited as I missed the last batch, ordered yesterday afternoon, dropped through the letter box first thing this morning, excellent service from Colin.

(http://i1207.photobucket.com/albums/bb474/minzapint/Railway/DSCF0249.jpg)

(http://i1207.photobucket.com/albums/bb474/minzapint/Railway/DSCF0251.jpg)

(http://i1207.photobucket.com/albums/bb474/minzapint/Railway/DSCF0253.jpg)

My T9 in all its glory
Title: Re: Union Mills locos - photos
Post by: Newportnobby on June 01, 2012, 03:12:01 PM
Very nice, David :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Union Mills locos - photos
Post by: portland-docks on September 20, 2012, 01:11:26 PM
Does um do a q6?
Title: Re: Union Mills locos - photos
Post by: Roy L S on September 20, 2012, 03:30:11 PM
Does um do a q6?

Hi PD

No, not a Q6, they did do a much older Q2 0-8-0 that never made the LNER renumbering never mind Nationalisation (Although sold in BR livery I believe carrying a Q6 number).

If it is North Eastern locos you are after they do a D20 4-4-0 and a J27 0-6-0 both very nice if basic locos. Going further into LNER territory there are Gresley J38 and J39 0-6-0s plus GC Robinson J11 0-6-0 and D11 Director 4-4-0 and finally foe the GE section the LNER B12/3.

Quite a selection and undoubtely mostly (J39 aside) will never be considered seriously by the mainstream manufacturers so we are very lucky Colin Heard produces them.

I believe I read on RM Web that his next loco is to be another  Southern 0-6-0. Shame - I had hoped for a D34 "Glen" 4-4-0

Regards

Roy
Title: Re: Union Mills locos - photos
Post by: Elvinley on September 21, 2012, 10:27:56 AM
It's a great loco. Looks good in its fictional livery too!
Title: Re: Union Mills locos - photos
Post by: MikeDunn on September 21, 2012, 11:15:04 AM
Would anyone having a J series (pref a J27, but any J :)) UM in LNER livery post a picture, please ?

I'm interested in buying one, but would like to see how he does them ...

Mike
Title: Re: Union Mills locos - photos
Post by: portland-docks on October 01, 2012, 03:51:22 PM
Wouldnt mind seeing him do an s15 or a standard 4 4-6-0, 2 models that are only available as kits!
Title: Re: Union Mills locos - photos
Post by: Dr Al on October 01, 2012, 04:22:53 PM
Wouldnt mind seeing him do an s15 or a standard 4 4-6-0, 2 models that are only available as kits!

No chance - he does not do anything with complex outside valve gear.

Cheers,
Alan
Title: Re: Union Mills locos - photos
Post by: portland-docks on October 01, 2012, 04:35:54 PM
He keeps it simple huh?
Title: Re: Union Mills locos - photos
Post by: K-N-Gauge on October 01, 2012, 06:16:56 PM
Less to go wrong then :)
Title: Re: Union Mills locos - photos
Post by: painbrook on October 02, 2012, 06:07:58 PM
Less to go wrong then :)
Spot on. Cheers john.
Title: Re: Union Mills locos - photos
Post by: Southernboy on October 02, 2012, 09:39:22 PM
Below are some pictures of my T9 that arrived a few weeks ago. I love it and will make a short video at some point of it running on my layout :)

Shortly after receiving it I phoned Mr Heard regarding the type of oil / frequency of oiling to keep it in good running order and I have to say he was enormously friendly and helpful - well over-and-above the level of 'customer support' you are used to from most suppliers.   


(http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd62/LondonResident/Scenics/Union-Mills-T9-locomotive.jpg)

(http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd62/LondonResident/Scenics/T9-01.jpg)

(http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd62/LondonResident/Scenics/T9-02.jpg)

(http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd62/LondonResident/Scenics/T9-03.jpg)

(http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd62/LondonResident/Scenics/T9-04.jpg)

(http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd62/LondonResident/Scenics/T9-05.jpg)


I really don't mind about the lack of detail in comparison to more recent offerings from the big manufacturers. The model captures the essence of the original and from what I've read it will give me years of reliable and robust service. And I can always add detailing myself in the future if I want to.

Title: Re: Union Mills locos - photos
Post by: Agrippa on October 03, 2012, 08:48:11 AM
Very  nice photos SB , very atmospheric with the gasholder, tram and tube station,
what type of coaches are being hauled?


cheers

Title: Re: Union Mills locos - photos
Post by: Southernboy on October 03, 2012, 07:57:33 PM
Thank you Agrippa, the coaches are the Farish generics.

I'm looking forward to the release of the new N gauge Maunsell's (can't remember when they're due).

But Maunsell's stock was introduced from 1926, so I'm sure for many years later there was still a large proportion of ex LSWR carriages in service - at some point I'd like to model examples of these too :)
Title: Re: Union Mills locos - photos
Post by: Donkey on October 03, 2012, 08:11:33 PM
She looks a beauty Southernboy and fits right in on your layout. Thanks for the pics  :thumbsup: I know I am going to have to get a Union Mills but with a Deltic, a 50, a 4mt tank and a Western on pre-order it will just have to wait.

Marty
Title: Re: Union Mills locos - photos
Post by: longbridge on October 03, 2012, 09:40:16 PM
I couldn't give a hoot about super detail, from what I have heard Union Mills locos run great and that is 10 times more important, a lovely little T9 and it looks A1  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Union Mills locos - photos
Post by: scotsoft on October 03, 2012, 09:50:27 PM
I like your pictures and you have a great looking layout there  :thumbsup:

cheers John.
Title: Re: Union Mills locos - photos
Post by: Roy L S on October 03, 2012, 10:44:45 PM
I couldn't give a hoot about super detail, from what I have heard Union Mills locos run great and that is 10 times more important, a lovely little T9 and it looks A1  :thumbsup:

As the recent models such as the Farish WD and 5MT show there is absolutely no reason why we cannot have both.

However I too have a soft spot for UM locos, have about 10, got my first in about 1997. Without too much work they can be made to look even more presentable. In particular,shortening the wire improves the look in the cab area.

I recently changed a J39's identity to represent Carlisle Canal's 64877, often used on the Langholm Branch train.

A not very good pic in my Media Folder.

Regards

Roy
Title: Re: Union Mills locos - photos
Post by: MikeDunn on October 04, 2012, 08:56:11 AM
a lovely little T9 and it looks A1
Er, if it's A1 surely it would have LNER instead of Southern   :confused2: :confused2: >:D

I'll get me coat ...  :P  :sorrysign:
Title: Re: Union Mills locos - photos
Post by: portland-docks on October 04, 2012, 09:08:29 AM
You think he could do a t9 in the livery as seen at the svr steam gala? In black?
Title: Re: Union Mills locos - photos
Post by: longbridge on October 04, 2012, 09:54:47 AM
a lovely little T9 and it looks A1
Er, if it's A1 surely it would have LNER instead of Southern   :confused2: :confused2: >:D

I'll get me coat ...  :P  :sorrysign:

 :doh: :sorrysign:
Title: Re: Union Mills locos - photos
Post by: H on October 04, 2012, 01:14:37 PM

You think he could do a t9 in the livery as seen at the svr steam gala? In black?


If not, black doesn't sound a diffficult livery and is probably something you could easily do yourself.

H.
Title: Re: Union Mills locos - photos
Post by: MinZaPint on October 04, 2012, 01:18:08 PM
You think he could do a t9 in the livery as seen at the svr steam gala? In black?

He does, it was on his last list, give him a ring and see if he still has one in stock.
Title: Re: Union Mills locos - photos
Post by: Tim E on October 06, 2012, 09:37:43 PM
He does the T9 in BR Black, but without the lining though.  Saving up for one myself
Title: Re: Union Mills locos - photos
Post by: johnsom on October 11, 2012, 07:18:04 PM
Super locos - all of them - not ones for the "rivet counters" though !!!
Title: Re: Union Mills locos - photos
Post by: CarriageShed on October 25, 2013, 10:10:09 PM
Thanks for highlighting this thread, Mr B. It's one I hadn't spotted before, and it's lovely to see the photos of UM locos.
Title: Re: Union Mills locos - photos
Post by: scottmitchell74 on February 11, 2014, 03:35:18 AM
Bumping for those interested (me, at least) in learning more about British N Gauge. These sound very interesting to me, as I'm not a huge rivet-counter, and just want my loco to run and pull.

So these all come DC and upgrading is up to the individual?
Title: Re: Union Mills locos - photos
Post by: Bealman on February 11, 2014, 05:27:59 AM
Union Mills locos are held in high regard by most of the British N gauge community. Detailing is basic but they perform very well - plus they have models of prototypes you can't get anywhere else.
Title: Re: Union Mills locos - photos
Post by: Dave F on February 11, 2014, 07:49:47 AM
They are brilliant little loco's and with a little bit of detailing like crews, lamps, some real coal in the tender and a bit of weathering they look even better. They can also be upgraded to DCC. There was an article in the N Gauge Society Journal last about how to convert them and it looked reasonably straightforward.
Title: Re: Union Mills locos - photos
Post by: talisman56 on March 07, 2014, 05:44:56 PM
Adams '0395' 0-6-0 in BR Black (Early Emblem)
(Sorry, but you are not allowed to access the gallery)

Drummond '700' 0-6-0 (aka 'Black Motor') in BR Black (Early Emblem)
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Title: Re: Union Mills locos - photos
Post by: CarriageShed on March 08, 2014, 12:20:45 AM
Adams '0395' 0-6-0 in BR Black (Early Emblem)
(Sorry, but you are not allowed to access the gallery)

Great photos! Very clear and sharp.

I have a 700 myself, in SR black, and it's a lovely mover, especially at slow speed. The Adams is on my wish list, and both will gain some additional detail in time.
Title: Re: Union Mills locos - photos
Post by: Bealman on March 08, 2014, 01:00:48 AM
Great pics! Very nice locos.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Union Mills locos - photos
Post by: Dorsetmike on March 08, 2014, 11:08:37 AM
One point I notice in the photos af the UM T9 in SR green is that there is no lining, also the colour looks like the lighter shade used on coaches, or some locos turned out by Ashford. (T9s being ex LSWR were normally overhauled at Eastleigh)

Lining should be a 3" black border on outer edges with a half inch white line inside it. See the pic in my sig below.

The only reason I can see for the finish on the UM loco is an early wartime livery before it was plain black.

Boiler bands were white/black/white the Fox LNER lining is OK for that the rest is DIY
Title: Re: Union Mills locos - photos
Post by: CarriageShed on March 08, 2014, 01:49:05 PM
One point I notice in the photos af the UM T9 in SR green is that there is no lining, also the colour looks like the lighter shade used on coaches, or some locos turned out by Ashford. (T9s being ex LSWR were normally overhauled at Eastleigh)

Lining should be a 3" black border on outer edges with a half inch white line inside it. See the pic in my sig below.

The only reason I can see for the finish on the UM loco is an early wartime livery before it was plain black.

Boiler bands were white/black/white the Fox LNER lining is OK for that the rest is DIY

I think it's more of a case that UM doesn't add lining.

Repainting the entire body in a more accurate Maunsell Green should be no real problem, but I might have to wait for black/white lining to become available for everything but the boiler bands. I don't fancy painting that!
Title: Re: Union Mills locos - photos
Post by: Dorsetmike on March 08, 2014, 06:33:36 PM
Quote
but I might have to wait for black/white lining to become available for everything but the boiler bands. I don't fancy painting that!

A couple of tips, I don't paint the lining, I use Rotring drawing pens with opaque inks, atraight lines I use a ruler, curves like splashers I've cut out some strips from plastic sheet with convex semi circles of varying diameters on the ends, for cab side sheets  custom cut a concave curve copied from each cab. Another way with straight lines if you can find a white line transfer which is a bit wider than you need apply that then draw black over the edge of it with a permanent fine line black marker.

Yet another possible way is to make an exact copy of a tender side (scan it into a photo editing app) colour it to match the main livery colour, then add the necessary lines with the photo app drawing tool also add any lettering and/or number, print to label stock or vinyl, cut out and stick on the tender, satin or gloss varnish to your taste. (you might prefer to print to decal) May also work with cab sides.
Title: Re: Union Mills locos - photos
Post by: scottmitchell74 on March 19, 2014, 10:43:23 PM
Just wanted to add a few photos for the records. This thread helped me a lot, and I want to pass it along.

(http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t287/scottmitchell74/Train%20Stuff/P1090309_zpsd3441067.jpg) (http://s163.photobucket.com/user/scottmitchell74/media/Train%20Stuff/P1090309_zpsd3441067.jpg.html)

(http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t287/scottmitchell74/Train%20Stuff/P1090299_zps38119de4.jpg) (http://s163.photobucket.com/user/scottmitchell74/media/Train%20Stuff/P1090299_zps38119de4.jpg.html)

(http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t287/scottmitchell74/Train%20Stuff/P1090301_zpsb367f2a2.jpg) (http://s163.photobucket.com/user/scottmitchell74/media/Train%20Stuff/P1090301_zpsb367f2a2.jpg.html)

(http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t287/scottmitchell74/Train%20Stuff/P1090294_zpsb99be35f.jpg) (http://s163.photobucket.com/user/scottmitchell74/media/Train%20Stuff/P1090294_zpsb99be35f.jpg.html)

Title: Re: Union Mills locos - photos
Post by: Vigo on April 04, 2014, 09:10:23 AM
.....He said that it is a loco he would love to make, but the tender is a little too small to get his present motor in - but he hinted that he may think about it in the future...  :)

From reading this statement, would I be correct in assuming that UM locos are all fitted with a generic motor?
Reason for asking, I've managed to blow up the motor in my D11. It's a lovely little loco and I'd like to have it running again.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v114/scorpion_24v/HSL009_zps81980e15.jpg)

Also: Does anyone know where I could get some 2mm GCR lettering from?
Title: Re: Union Mills locos - photos
Post by: Dr Al on April 04, 2014, 09:25:10 AM
UM will sell you a replacement motor - something like 10-15. The Mashima 1015 is also an identical size (though the worms will need drilled out as the shaft is slightly larger diameter).

Cheers,
Alan
Title: Re: Union Mills locos - photos
Post by: scottmitchell74 on April 10, 2014, 12:42:25 AM
Adding to the photo section... This is from the brand-new batch offered by Mr. Heard.

(http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t287/scottmitchell74/Train%20Stuff/P1090421_zps4ce7fce4.jpg) (http://s163.photobucket.com/user/scottmitchell74/media/Train%20Stuff/P1090421_zps4ce7fce4.jpg.html)

(http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t287/scottmitchell74/Train%20Stuff/P1090422_zps19df2022.jpg) (http://s163.photobucket.com/user/scottmitchell74/media/Train%20Stuff/P1090422_zps19df2022.jpg.html)

(http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t287/scottmitchell74/Train%20Stuff/P1090423_zps070c9c69.jpg) (http://s163.photobucket.com/user/scottmitchell74/media/Train%20Stuff/P1090423_zps070c9c69.jpg.html)

(http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t287/scottmitchell74/Train%20Stuff/P1090425_zpsee46f153.jpg) (http://s163.photobucket.com/user/scottmitchell74/media/Train%20Stuff/P1090425_zpsee46f153.jpg.html)

(http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t287/scottmitchell74/Train%20Stuff/P1090428_zps3e8350a8.jpg) (http://s163.photobucket.com/user/scottmitchell74/media/Train%20Stuff/P1090428_zps3e8350a8.jpg.html)

(http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t287/scottmitchell74/Train%20Stuff/P1090426_zps330e14d6.jpg) (http://s163.photobucket.com/user/scottmitchell74/media/Train%20Stuff/P1090426_zps330e14d6.jpg.html)


I've noticed in other photos (and read concerns about it) that the red was too bright? I find this red in person to be a maroon/blood/burgundy color -vs- candy apple or fire engine red.
Title: Re: Union Mills locos - photos
Post by: Agrippa on April 10, 2014, 12:46:39 AM
Looks great !   :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Union Mills locos - photos
Post by: R Marshall on January 31, 2015, 10:17:32 PM
Someone earlier asked for a J27 picture - here is mine finished as a J26. I agree with all the comments about these being great little models - the reasonable price and the robustness of the models gave me the confidence to modify them. Don't think I'd try that with Farish.

(Sorry, but you are not allowed to access the gallery)
Title: Re: Union Mills locos - photos
Post by: Bealman on January 31, 2015, 10:40:25 PM
VERY nice. Modified to 2FS, obviously.   :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Union Mills locos - photos
Post by: R Marshall on January 31, 2015, 10:53:19 PM
Er...no, actually - the track might make you think that - I've been testing the Easitrack 2mm version against the N Gauge equivalent - can't remember the name right now - Finetrax?

The UM models run on both samples of plain track, but I don't fancy having the wheels turned down, in case it affects current collection, etc, so I'l probably end by using Finetrax.

I can't claim the credit for the coal rails or the weathering - details if anyone's interested.
Title: Re: Union Mills locos - photos
Post by: DCCDave on January 31, 2015, 10:59:08 PM
I can't claim the credit for the coal rails or the weathering - details if anyone's interested.

Yep, I'm interested :)

Looks fantastic

Cheers
Dave
Title: Re: Union Mills locos - photos
Post by: Bealman on January 31, 2015, 11:32:02 PM
Yep, I'm interested too!

Er...no, actually - the track might make you think that - I've been testing the Easitrack 2mm version against the N Gauge equivalent - can't remember the name right now - Finetrax?

Well it certainly had me fooled.... it looks really good.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Union Mills locos - photos
Post by: scottmitchell74 on February 01, 2015, 04:12:41 AM
Looks fantastic! Wish I had the guts and skill to weather my things like that.
Title: Re: Union Mills locos - photos
Post by: Bealman on February 01, 2015, 04:42:55 AM
Why not? You've got the guts to couple those American boxcars to it  >:D ;)
Title: Re: Union Mills locos - photos
Post by: R Marshall on February 01, 2015, 11:03:57 AM
Well the coal rails were etched by Bob Jones' Fence Houses Model Foundry - he altered the version from his Finescale Q6 kit to fit the wider UM tenders - you'll find him on the web and they're inexpensive.

The weathering was done by SH Model Making - you'll find Simon on the web too and on Facebook - he's associated with Durham Trains of Stanley (also on  the web).

I did a bit of tinkering with both my J26 tenders at the front end of the sides too, but if I can manage with my eyesight and shaky hands, I guess nearly anyone can.

Here's the D20 he repainted for me too - the tender's a compromise, but I can live with that.(Sorry, but you are not allowed to access the gallery)
Title: Re: Union Mills locos - photos
Post by: Bealman on February 01, 2015, 11:17:57 AM
That is a wonderful looking loco. Thanks for providing the details and sources. Being an ex - Durham lad, it is especially satisfying to me that folk over there are producing such specialist products.

Great stuff.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Union Mills locos - photos
Post by: Southernboy on February 01, 2015, 01:26:49 PM
Exquisite - and I think enhanced by the fine track and ballasting.
Title: Re: Union Mills locos - photos
Post by: talisman56 on March 07, 2015, 04:00:33 PM
Recent arrival from the Isle of Man, an addition to the 1930s fleet on 'Dunestone':

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/29/thumb_22503.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=22503)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/29/thumb_22504.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=22504)

Adams '0395' 0-6-0 no. 3441 in Southern Black.
Title: Re: Union Mills locos - photos
Post by: Agrippa on March 07, 2015, 05:27:58 PM
 :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Union Mills locos - photos
Post by: R Marshall on March 07, 2015, 09:41:16 PM
That's a fine looking engine - you're spoilt for choice with that, the T9 and the "Black Motor". The Southern had a fine range of characterful engines and these are some of the best.

Like to see another picture if you decide to add your own bits and bobs.
Title: Re: Union Mills locos - photos
Post by: Dorsetmike on April 29, 2015, 03:21:47 PM
Comparing the  0395 with the Dean goods it might be a do-able hack, lose the sand box from front splashers, hack the cab roof, replace dome and safety valves, lengthen smoke box and lose the slight slope of the 0395 at the same time maybe also reduce the front overhang.

Tender is the main problem though, too big! Has anybody got any ideas for a smaller motor so the tender body can be lowered?

Alternatively could the body height be reduced a bit then an overload of coal added on the top.

May not be possible to get all dimensions accurate but should be possible to make a reasonable "looks like" job.
Title: Re: Union Mills locos - photos
Post by: Portpatrick on April 29, 2015, 06:03:43 PM
Yes the tender heights are an area for compromise when converting these locos.  A few years ago I turned a J25 into a tolerable J36 (compulsory loco for someone with West Highland interests alongside my dominant GSW).  The size of the tender almost hides the cast the loco itself is on the small side to be "accurate".  However it looks tolerable

I do agree that 3441 has the makings of a Dean Goods!
Title: Re: Union Mills locos - photos
Post by: Ricardus Harfelde on May 01, 2015, 09:56:39 AM

Tender is the main problem though, too big! Has anybody got any ideas for a smaller motor so the tender body can be lowered?

Alternatively could the body height be reduced a bit then an overload of coal added on the top.

May not be possible to get all dimensions accurate but should be possible to make a reasonable "looks like" job.

I was wondering what 's the smallest size of tender that can be fitted around the UM drive? I make the top of the UM motor 17.2mm above top of rail height, with the top of the coal on the 395 (also used on the T9/700) tender about 22mm, so there would seem to be around 5mm to play with. Scaling off my OO K's model Dean Goods tender suggests that the top of the coal rails on this model would be 19.2 mm above track level so it would seem feasible.

Is there a minimum recommended clearance between the top of the motor and the tender body(e.g.  for cooling purposes)?

Richard
Title: Re: Union Mills locos - photos
Post by: thebrighton on May 01, 2015, 10:27:08 AM
Greetings,
I used a UM tender drive for my LBSCR Single:
http://www.ngaugesociety.com/uploads/images/AMMC/AMMC2010/ClassJ-Winner-2010L.jpg (http://www.ngaugesociety.com/uploads/images/AMMC/AMMC2010/ClassJ-Winner-2010L.jpg)

I also fitted the under sized tender wheels with Farish ones (need to add pickup strips as Farish wheels insulated both sides). I've had no problems with heat with the tender top a hairs breath above the motor.

Gareth
Title: Re: Union Mills locos - photos
Post by: paulprice on May 01, 2015, 11:02:35 AM
why am I suddenly thinking about Midland singles and 2-4-0's ?????

I will have to stop reading posts on here
Title: Re: Union Mills locos - photos
Post by: Ricardus Harfelde on May 01, 2015, 11:08:27 AM
Thanks Gareth

The tender drive looks good with the larger Farish wheels fitted. I guess that if I wanted some I'd have to buy one of the Farish tender chassis spares sold by BR Lines et al. I'm considering doing an unrebuilt Drummond 700, mainly because ther's a 1901 picture of it in LSWR Locomotives by Bradley going through the "levs" at St Cross, Winchester where I spent/wasted a lot of my early teenage years trainspotting. This has a 13ft wheelbase with 4ft wheels and the UM tender with larger wheels would seem a better option size wise than using a Terrier chassis with its c 12 ft wheelbase


Stunning loco , not surprised it won an award

Richard
Title: Re: Union Mills locos - photos
Post by: thebrighton on May 01, 2015, 11:16:04 AM
Hi Richard,
You don't need to buy a whole tender chassis, BR Lines stock just the wheels, I've bought numerous.
Regards
Gareth
Title: Re: Union Mills locos - photos
Post by: N-Gauge-US on January 14, 2016, 08:30:30 PM
Greetings,
I used a UM tender drive for my LBSCR Single:
[url]http://www.ngaugesociety.com/uploads/images/AMMC/AMMC2010/ClassJ-Winner-2010L.jpg[/url] ([url]http://www.ngaugesociety.com/uploads/images/AMMC/AMMC2010/ClassJ-Winner-2010L.jpg[/url])

I also fitted the under sized tender wheels with Farish ones (need to add pickup strips as Farish wheels insulated both sides). I've had no problems with heat with the tender top a hairs breath above the motor.

Gareth


No wonder it runs so well!!! If I were very, very brave, I'd try to make a single like yours. I find myself looking at pictures of it quite often. I was wondering today if UM engines were suitable for kits because of their good reviews, now I know they are more than suitable! :)
Title: Re: Union Mills locos - photos
Post by: Thorpe Parva on April 06, 2016, 11:56:20 AM
Phoned an order to Colin yesterday afternoon and these arrived in the post this morning...

(Sorry, but you are not allowed to access the gallery)
Title: Re: Union Mills locos - photos
Post by: Agrippa on April 06, 2016, 12:10:15 PM
Nice!  Service from UM is first class . :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Union Mills locos - photos
Post by: ScottyStitch on April 06, 2016, 12:18:17 PM
All lovely looking models, but I'm afraid the only thing that really puts me off is diameter of the wheel flanges.....
Title: Re: Union Mills locos - photos
Post by: Dr Al on April 06, 2016, 12:23:53 PM
All lovely looking models, but I'm afraid the only thing that really puts me off is diameter of the wheel flanges.....


The flanges aren't that deep - it's just the silver rims that make them look a bit toytown. You can paint these and improve it all a lot - for example the J39 on the right has had this done (amongst other things):

(http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/uploads/1268563914/gallery_7627_400_32966.jpg)

Cheers,
Alan
Title: Re: Union Mills locos - photos
Post by: Thorpe Parva on April 06, 2016, 01:55:53 PM
Phoned an order to Colin yesterday afternoon and these arrived in the post this morning...

(Sorry, but you are not allowed to access the gallery)

I forgot to add that one reason for purchasing these was that 40543 was a Leicester Midland loco & was one of the first locos that I 'spotted' in my trainspotting days which started in the late 1950s.

I model the Midland Line in the Transition era so both locos are appropriate although I already have more locos than I need.
Title: Re: Union Mills locos - photos
Post by: railsquid on April 06, 2016, 02:08:26 PM
Are there any UM locomotives which would have been puttering around the Birmingham/West Midlands area in the BR era? My kettle knowledge is pitiful but acquiring a UM loco is on my bucket list and if possible I'd like to have one which might fit in with some layout plans I have.
Title: Re: Union Mills locos - photos
Post by: Tdm on April 06, 2016, 02:22:12 PM
Are there any UM locomotives which would have been puttering around the Birmingham/West Midlands area in the BR era? My kettle knowledge is pitiful but acquiring a UM loco is on my bucket list and if possible I'd like to have one which might fit in with some layout plans I have.

Have you looked at this site which has photos of most Union Mills models :-

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=union+mills+models&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=rW3iU_CJB4O60QXQ8IDgCg&sqi=2&ved=0CC8QsAQ&biw=1093&bih=434 (https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=union+mills+models&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=rW3iU_CJB4O60QXQ8IDgCg&sqi=2&ved=0CC8QsAQ&biw=1093&bih=434)

Title: Re: Union Mills locos - photos
Post by: Dr Al on April 06, 2016, 02:25:14 PM
Are there any UM locomotives which would have been puttering around the Birmingham/West Midlands area in the BR era? My kettle knowledge is pitiful but acquiring a UM loco is on my bucket list and if possible I'd like to have one which might fit in with some layout plans I have.

The G2 definitely.

(https://www.wicknessmodels.co.uk/images/shop_categories/1311846249043_IMG_8276.jpg)

Cheers,
Alan
Title: Re: Union Mills locos - photos
Post by: railsquid on April 06, 2016, 02:40:34 PM
Are there any UM locomotives which would have been puttering around the Birmingham/West Midlands area in the BR era? My kettle knowledge is pitiful but acquiring a UM loco is on my bucket list and if possible I'd like to have one which might fit in with some layout plans I have.

Have you looked at this site which has photos of most Union Mills models :-

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=union+mills+models&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=rW3iU_CJB4O60QXQ8IDgCg&sqi=2&ved=0CC8QsAQ&biw=1093&bih=434 (https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=union+mills+models&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=rW3iU_CJB4O60QXQ8IDgCg&sqi=2&ved=0CC8QsAQ&biw=1093&bih=434)

The problem is even if I known the type or what it looks like, I have virtually no inkling of what would have run where when... Hence the question...
Title: Re: Union Mills locos - photos
Post by: railsquid on April 06, 2016, 02:43:41 PM
Are there any UM locomotives which would have been puttering around the Birmingham/West Midlands area in the BR era? My kettle knowledge is pitiful but acquiring a UM loco is on my bucket list and if possible I'd like to have one which might fit in with some layout plans I have.


The G2 definitely.

([url]https://www.wicknessmodels.co.uk/images/shop_categories/1311846249043_IMG_8276.jpg[/url])

Cheers,
Alan

Excellent, thanks! Here's one puttering into New Street:

http://www.warwickshirerailways.com/lms/lnwrbns_br2922.htm (http://www.warwickshirerailways.com/lms/lnwrbns_br2922.htm)
Title: Re: Union Mills locos - photos
Post by: Dr Al on April 06, 2016, 02:48:20 PM
The problem is even if I known the type or what it looks like, I have virtually no inkling of what would have run where when... Hence the question...

Have a look on youtube at some of the archive footage from the 1960s in the Birmingham area (quite a bit at Snow hill) for inspiration.

Cheers,
Alan
Title: Re: Union Mills locos - photos
Post by: railsquid on April 06, 2016, 03:22:41 PM
The problem is even if I known the type or what it looks like, I have virtually no inkling of what would have run where when... Hence the question...

Have a look on youtube at some of the archive footage from the 1960s in the Birmingham area (quite a bit at Snow hill) for inspiration.

Ah yes, London Tube Stock (https://youtu.be/-Z8Zp2RFX4U?t=5m25s) ;)
Title: Re: Union Mills locos - photos
Post by: Thorpe Parva on April 06, 2016, 03:41:59 PM
Are there any UM locomotives which would have been puttering around the Birmingham/West Midlands area in the BR era? My kettle knowledge is pitiful but acquiring a UM loco is on my bucket list and if possible I'd like to have one which might fit in with some layout plans I have.

I can only comment on LMR locos but certainly the following would all have been seen around Birmingham as all were allocated to Sheds in the Birmingham area...2P, 2F, 3F, G2. There might have been the occasional visit from a Fowler 7F as these were mainly allocated to sheds in Lancashire.

Cauliflowers would also have been seen as at least one was allocated to a West Midlands shed in BR Days but I believe that all of this class were scrapped by 1955.

According to the Stock List that Colin sent with my locos he doesn't current have any G2 or 7F in stock and does not have a 2F in BR Black. So the two locos that I have just received are your best bets. I also have a Union Mills G2 and that is a superb loco.

Hope this helps.

Title: Re: Union Mills locos - photos
Post by: railsquid on April 06, 2016, 03:46:18 PM
Gaah, that Flying Scotschappie (https://youtu.be/PRY0jC9iSYI?t=1m30s) too. And Sir Winnie (https://youtu.be/PRY0jC9iSYI?t=3m24s). Where will the madness end?
Title: Re: Union Mills locos - photos
Post by: railsquid on April 06, 2016, 03:50:09 PM
Are there any UM locomotives which would have been puttering around the Birmingham/West Midlands area in the BR era? My kettle knowledge is pitiful but acquiring a UM loco is on my bucket list and if possible I'd like to have one which might fit in with some layout plans I have.

I can only comment on LMR locos but certainly the following would all have been seen around Birmingham as all were allocated to Sheds in the Birmingham area...2P, 2F, 3F, G2. There might have been the occasional visit from a Fowler 7F as these were mainly allocated to sheds in Lancashire.

Cauliflowers would also have been seen as at least one was allocated to a West Midlands shed in BR Days but I believe that all of this class were scrapped by 1955.

According to the Stock List that Colin sent with my locos he doesn't current have any G2 or 7F in stock and does not have a 2F in BR Black. So the two locos that I have just received are your best bets. I also have a Union Mills G2 and that is a superb loco.

Hope this helps.
Thanks, I'll investigate. Actually I have a reasonable chance of identifying grouping-era kettles and BR standard classes, but the UM stuff is really off my radar.
Title: Re: Union Mills locos - photos
Post by: Dr Al on April 06, 2016, 03:53:16 PM
Thanks, I'll investigate. Actually I have a reasonable chance of identifying grouping-era kettles and BR standard classes, but the UM stuff is really off my radar.


2P:

(https://hattonsimages.blob.core.windows.net/products/KB054-LN-02_3142236_Qty1_1.jpg)

2F:

(http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i155/davidclough2453/2FLMS22958.jpg)

3F:

(https://hattonsimages.blob.core.windows.net/products/KB055-HD_3139709_Qty1_4.jpg)

7F:

(http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/MTA2NlgxNjAw/z/cm8AAOSwzgRWyfka/$_1.JPG)

HTH,
Alan
Title: Re: Union Mills locos - photos
Post by: johnlambert on April 06, 2016, 05:52:32 PM
Thanks, I'll investigate. Actually I have a reasonable chance of identifying grouping-era kettles and BR standard classes, but the UM stuff is really off my radar.


7F:

([url]http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/MTA2NlgxNjAw/z/cm8AAOSwzgRWyfka/[/url]$_1.JPG)

HTH,
Alan


Here's a 7F at Warwick, travelling towards Birmingham.
http://www.warwickshirerailways.com/gwr/gwrw388.htm (http://www.warwickshirerailways.com/gwr/gwrw388.htm)
Title: Re: Union Mills locos - photos
Post by: daveg on April 06, 2016, 07:26:18 PM
 :greatpicturessign:

Thanks.

Dave G
Title: Re: Union Mills locos - photos
Post by: joe cassidy on April 06, 2016, 07:48:01 PM
You will also find photos of the Prince of Wales 4-6-0 on the Warwickshire Railways web site.

Best regards,


Joe
Title: Re: Union Mills locos - photos
Post by: bazzanel on April 09, 2016, 09:56:23 PM
Hi All,

Quick piccie of my new arrivals from I of M. A D16 Claud and a J39  to go with my D20. I know its out of area but they do look pretty. :)

(Sorry, but you are not allowed to access the gallery)

Regards

Baz
Title: Re: Union Mills locos - photos
Post by: lil chris on July 10, 2016, 11:06:31 PM
I would love a UM loco and have thought about the 2F or 3F but really  want a L&Y Aspinall class 27 0-6-0 for my layout,  someone mentioned one earlier in the thread. Which would be the nearest UM loco to one of those, possibly the Adams 0395 ? that could be modifed.
Title: Re: Union Mills locos - photos
Post by: N-Gauge-US on July 10, 2016, 11:56:03 PM
I would love a UM loco and have thought about the 2F or 3F but really  want a L&Y Aspinall class 27 0-6-0 for my layout,  someone mentioned one earlier in the thread. Which would be the nearest UM loco to one of those, possibly the Adams 0395 ? that could be modifed.

Not sure what the closest would be, but the Adams 395 and Aspinsll class 27 both have 5'1" wheels (driving). Major differences seem to include the safety valve, whistle, and the the tender height. The tender height is a compromise on most UM locos anyway, but in this case it might be a bit extreme. Photos of the Class 27 seem to show much lower tender sides than the 395 and the sides on the 395 are already a little tall for scale, I believe. Similarly, take a look at the dome and make sure, but it appears much larger on the 27 than the 395.
Title: Re: Union Mills locos - photos
Post by: lil chris on July 11, 2016, 12:31:35 AM
Yes thanks for that, I think the dome could possibly made bigger, like you say the tender might be a problem.
Title: Re: Union Mills locos - photos
Post by: lil chris on July 11, 2016, 11:38:36 PM
I think I will buy myself a Cauliflower, after someone pointed out to me the difference in 5.1 wheels and 5.3 wheels in N-Gauge that would be a better bet than the Adams. Thanks everyone. I will probably buy one soon has a project for later.
Someone has pointed out to me the difference in the wheel sizes is insignificant in n-gauge, which ever loco I buy it will need significant alterations regardless of which loco I buy, food for thought.
Title: Re: Union Mills locos - photos
Post by: GreenDiesel on August 12, 2016, 04:25:38 AM
I've only just learned about Union Mills as well, but then I've only been into N scale for 1.5 years. Are they made overseas or in the UK? I live in Canada but might phone for a catalog... Curious as I know very little about them other that they're slightly less detailed than GF, etc., but run very well.  Rob
Title: Re: Union Mills locos - photos
Post by: railsquid on August 12, 2016, 06:31:19 AM
Made on the Isle of Man, which I can never recall whether it's part of the UK or some wierd historical entity like the Channel Islands.
Title: Re: Union Mills locos - photos
Post by: daveg on August 12, 2016, 06:35:50 AM
Union Mills run by Colin Heard, based in the Isle of Man.

Do a Forum search using: Union Mills current price list and scroll down to this post that gives Colin's address:
Reply #58 on: March 07, 2014, 03:09:45 pm

Sorry I can't find his email address. I'm sure someone will provide it.

Dave G
Title: Re: Union Mills locos - photos
Post by: talisman56 on August 12, 2016, 09:02:15 AM
Reply #76 in Union Mills current price list (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=16508.0) gives the EMail contact:

colin.h@manx.net

EDIT: Looks like NeMo and I are the kids on the block with hot keyboards...  :)
Title: Re: Union Mills locos - photos
Post by: NeMo on August 12, 2016, 09:03:05 AM
Sorry I can't find his email address. I'm sure someone will provide it.

colin.h@manx.net

He usually responds quickly. If you post him a cheque, he usually sends the loco out on receipt, so you can have your model within a few days. Excellent service!

Cheers, NeMo
Title: Re: Union Mills locos - photos
Post by: Thorpe Parva on August 12, 2016, 09:05:51 AM
colin.h@manx.net

I'm a very satisfied customer with 3 of his ex-LMS locos.
Title: Re: Union Mills locos - photos
Post by: talisman56 on August 12, 2016, 09:12:04 AM
Made on the Isle of Man, which I can never recall whether it's part of the UK or some wierd historical entity like the Channel Islands.

The Isle of Man (and the Bailiwicks of Jersey and Guernsey (the latter of which also includes Alderney, Herm and Sark)) are Crown Dependencies, being independent jurisdictions, which puts them outside of the United Kingdom and British Overseas Territories classifications. Internationally, the 'Crown Dependency' status is recognised as 'territories which are the responsibility of the United Kingdom'.
Title: Re: Union Mills locos - photos
Post by: paulprice on August 12, 2016, 10:32:51 AM
I'm finding it very hard to resist buying my first Union Mills loco.

the problems is being an LMS fan, which of the brilliant selection of LMS machines do I go for first (yes I have a feeling I may get more than one)  >:D
Title: Re: Union Mills locos - photos
Post by: Portpatrick on August 12, 2016, 11:17:28 AM
I'm finding it very hard to resist buying my first Union Mills loco.

the problems is being an LMS fan, which of the brilliant selection of LMS machines do I go for first (yes I have a feeling I may get more than one)  >:D

Yes they are fine locos.  I have a 2P, 3F and G2.  All from EBay.  But the 2F, Cauliflower look lovely and I could be tempted by the out of period (for me) Prince of Wales.  If you don't have them new, and they all showed in the list in the latest NGS journal, they sometimes turn up on EBAy, though watch the price.  And of course they all pull a proper load with ease.  Hope your credit card has capacity!
Title: Re: Union Mills locos - photos
Post by: Portpatrick on August 12, 2016, 11:19:27 AM
I just remembered, he also did the Fowler "Austin 7" 7F 080.  Not in current list, so definitely an EBay one for now.
Title: Re: Union Mills locos - photos
Post by: Dorsetmike on August 12, 2016, 12:41:39 PM
The thing to watch for on Ebay is the seller who appears to buy up a number of UM locos and hold onto them until they are sold out , then list them at a price considerably above the original. Much better to wait for Colin to run another batch and get them at the proper price.
Title: Re: Union Mills locos - photos
Post by: msr on August 12, 2016, 01:02:15 PM
And with a little imagination and a few bits from N Brass you can convert some of the other UM locos into LMS prototypes, for instance the Drummond 395 into a Midland Railway Johnson Class J2 with long round firebox:
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/42/231-120816125206.jpeg)

or a Midland Rly Seagull converted from a UM D20 loco married to a Webb 'Cauliflower' tender:
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/42/231-120816125744.jpeg)

Conversion to DCC can be tricky but people like Wickness Models can help you out should you have the need.
Title: Re: Union Mills locos - photos
Post by: daveg on August 12, 2016, 01:04:04 PM
I'm finding it very hard to resist buying my first Union Mills loco.

the problems is being an LMS fan, which of the brilliant selection of LMS machines do I go for first (yes I have a feeling I may get more than one)  >:D

You won't regret it, PP.

I've just the one (so far) - a SR T9. Despite the lack of the ultra-fine detail you get from the major players, it's a lovely model and am very pleased with its looks and performance.

Dave G
Title: Re: Union Mills locos - photos
Post by: Thorpe Parva on August 12, 2016, 01:41:34 PM
I'm finding it very hard to resist buying my first Union Mills loco.

the problems is being an LMS fan, which of the brilliant selection of LMS machines do I go for first (yes I have a feeling I may get more than one)  >:D

I've also got a G2, 2P & 3F. Once you get one then you probably will want more.
Title: Re: Union Mills locos - photos
Post by: GreenDiesel on August 12, 2016, 01:51:12 PM
Made on the Isle of Man, which I can never recall whether it's part of the UK or some wierd historical entity like the Channel Islands.

Thanks!  That's good news.

Yes, I'm not sure if the Isle of Man is it's own entity or not, but I suspect it's part of the UK.  I believe it's the real-life Sodor, where the Thomas series is based.

How are their prices compared to GF or Dapol ... sounds as if they might be the same or slightly cheaper?  (But, if this is a smaller, hand-crafted, business, then I realize the prices will probably be higher.)

At any rate, I'm very curious & have just emailed Colin asking for a price list or catalog.

Cheers, Rob
Title: Re: Union Mills locos - photos
Post by: GreenDiesel on August 12, 2016, 03:05:40 PM
At some point, I would like to get a small LMS loco -- 3F, 4F, etc. -- do they have anything in the 30-60 range? as I'm on a budget. Maybe eBay is the better option?  Rob
Title: Re: Union Mills locos - photos
Post by: talisman56 on August 12, 2016, 03:46:16 PM
According to the latest price list I've seen (January this year), the 2Fs and 3Fs are 69.
Title: Re: Union Mills locos - photos
Post by: Chris Morris on August 12, 2016, 05:56:41 PM
I'm eagerly awaiting the next announcement of a new Great Western loco. Sounds like a Christmas present in waiting.
Title: Re: Union Mills locos - photos
Post by: NeMo on August 12, 2016, 06:46:33 PM
At some point, I would like to get a small LMS loco -- 3F, 4F, etc. -- do they have anything in the 30-60 range? as I'm on a budget. Maybe eBay is the better option?  Rob

Secondhand Union Mills rarely go for less than 60, but if you keep an eye out at Hattons you do seem flurries of them appear from time to time, usually for less than eBay. I prefer Hattons for secondhand locos because if the model doesn't work, they'll refund you without too much fuss (they extend a 6-month warranty to secondhand items).

Cheers, NeMo
Title: Re: Union Mills locos - photos
Post by: GreenDiesel on August 12, 2016, 07:55:39 PM
At some point, I would like to get a small LMS loco -- 3F, 4F, etc. -- do they have anything in the 30-60 range? as I'm on a budget. Maybe eBay is the better option?  Rob
Secondhand Union Mills rarely go for less than 60, but if you keep an eye out at Hattons you do seem flurries of them appear from time to time, usually for less than eBay. I prefer Hattons for secondhand locos because if the model doesn't work, they'll refund you without too much fuss (they extend a 6-month warranty to secondhand items).
Cheers, NeMo

Thanks for this info, NeMo.  Yes, I like Hattons and Rails of Sheffield now, more so than eBay. So I'll just save my shekels for now and consider getting a 3F or something similar.

On a slightly different topic, is Union Mills basically a small "cottage" industry? It almost sounds like a one-person or family-run operation. I'm wondering how they can compete with GF and Dapol?

Cheers, Rob
Title: Re: Union Mills locos - photos
Post by: Bob Tidbury on August 13, 2016, 10:26:45 AM
Yes Rob Union Mills Models are a one man cottage firm run by a very nice man Colin Heard who if I remember correctly used to be a designer at Peco he usually produces one model in two or more liveries every year we are all waiting with bated breath to see which GWR loco he will produce next after the very nice Dean Goods .All his models are very basic with moulded hand rails and no fancy brake gear etc but will pull allmost anything you put behind them ,and really good prices too.
He provides an excellent service if you order on the phone with card payment you get your model in the post next morning,and in the very rare event you have a failure you get very good service as well,One of my mates accidenty changed a point under a loco and never realised it he left the power on and it burnt out the motor ,I asked Colin how much a motor was ,when I told him it was one of the first Locos he made several years ago he told me he no longer had those motors and was useing a totally diferent motor and to send the whole loco back to him ,two days later had a call and he said it will cost 10 next day a parcel arrived and he had fitted a brand new tender with the latest twin shaft motor,How's that for service.
I must add I have no connection with UMM only as a very very happy customer.
Bob
Title: Re: Union Mills locos - photos
Post by: GreenDiesel on August 13, 2016, 03:03:06 PM
Excellent. Thanks for this feedback. It almost sounds too good to be true. It's great that these are not produced overseas and are more local. Reliable and strong running power is also more important to me than
lots of extra fine detail, and I'm pleased that the prices are reasonable as well. I think I'm going to save up for one. Do you have his phone number and I trust he ship overseas, as I live in Toronto. Cheers, Rob
Title: Re: Union Mills locos - photos
Post by: mr bachmann on August 13, 2016, 04:04:45 PM
Union Mills - ''the philatelist's friend ''   :D
Title: Re: Union Mills locos - photos
Post by: port perran on August 13, 2016, 04:09:44 PM
Union Mills - ''the philatelist's friend ''   :D
I'll second that  :) :)
Title: Re: Union Mills locos - photos
Post by: Bob Tidbury on August 13, 2016, 05:15:00 PM
Green Diesel.
 Union Mills Models are in the Isle of Man the address is
Union Mills Models
Union Mills Trading Estate
Union Mills
IM4 4AB
And the phone number is
01624 852896 I'm not sure what the code from Toronto is ,please bare in mind if Colin is busy casting or packing he may not answer the phone immediately He doesn't have a Website but used to advertise in a few Railway Magazines not sure if he still does.
Bob
Title: Re: Union Mills locos - photos
Post by: Roy L S on August 13, 2016, 07:26:32 PM
He does occasionally put an ad in the RM, usually around the time of planned releases, he also always puts an ad in the N Gauge Journal. He says he doesn't really need to promote his models any more than that, and I recall him once saying that a review in the RM saw such a rush that he cleared his stock. Currently his prices start at 69 with his most expensive model being 82. He achieves these prices by keeping his products simple in terms of design, sourcing everything but the motors from within the UK, selling direct (no middle man or retailer to share margin with).

The models are simple and rugged, can be chipped (my J38 was done by Wickness Models and runs beautifully) and some examples on this Forum done by the likes of Dr Al show just how nice they can be made to look when super detailed.

True, there is no comparison with the detail, finesse and technical specifications of the latest Farish steam locos, but they do have a justifiably loyal following and their robustness and prodigious pulling power give advantages of their own.

Roy
Title: Re: Union Mills locos - photos
Post by: PLD on August 13, 2016, 09:34:19 PM
It's great that these are not produced overseas
Well halfway over the Irish Sea if we're being accurate!  :P :D ;)
Title: Re: Union Mills locos - photos
Post by: GreenDiesel on August 13, 2016, 10:04:08 PM
Thanks!
Title: Re: Union Mills locos - photos
Post by: GreenDiesel on August 14, 2016, 02:38:33 AM
UM locos kind of remind me of the older Hornby Dublo locos in 00 in that both are robust, run well, but don't have the best detailing -- I actually prefer this!  (I realize the similarities break down from there on, as HD locos were die cast and are now very old.)

Does Colin only produce locos and nothing else (i.e. no coaches, signals, buildings, etc.)? Just curious.

I also trust that the UM couplers are Rapido couplers and are compatible with GF and Dapol couplers?

Rob
Title: Re: Union Mills locos - photos
Post by: Bob Tidbury on August 14, 2016, 09:12:36 AM
 :hellosign: Rob , Colin only makes Locos at the moment , but who knows he might make other things sometime though I Very much doubt it .
The Locos all have standard couplings and so far I've never had any uncoupling problems ,like you I prefer a loco that is robust and will haul anything ,now I'm getting older and the Locos are running I can't see all the fine details on some of the modern steam Locos anyway .As I have said before with UMM you get value for your money and the loco will last for many years without any trouble unlike
Some of the offerings available at the moment that last Untill the warranty runs out if your lucky, then they  die on you .
Bob
Title: Re: Union Mills locos - photos
Post by: GreenDiesel on August 14, 2016, 01:42:30 PM
Thanks, Bob ... I also just found a 3-year-old ad in Railway Modeller that -- if I recall correctly -- said the locos were made of metal and were tender drive. I really like the idea of using metal as they would be stronger and heavier (so better traction) but I'm not a fan of tender drive. In 00, I had lots of problems with tender drive locos and I also had an old (Lima?) Tender drive N scale loco that was terrible!  But it sounds as if these problems don't exist with UM locos?
Title: Re: Union Mills locos - photos
Post by: Bob Tidbury on August 14, 2016, 02:50:49 PM
Yes they are made from a white metal not sure what it's called ,they originally were powered by Cannon Camera motors on a single axle of the tender ,but Colin now uses a twin shaft motor on the front and rear tender axles and with traction tyres.The electrickery is picked up from one side of the loco and I think one side of the tender but I haven't taken a new tender apart so I'm not sure of that. I have quite a few UMM Locos including two of the Dean Goods I would like the other version as well maybe if I sell some unused Dapol Locos at TINGS I will be able to ,but I need to save a lot of money for his next model IF as we hope it's another GWR loco.
I won't get rid of any UMM thought even though they don't really fit in with my layout .It means I will have some running Locos even if the rest of my collection of Farish and Dapol all pack up I also Have a few Minitrix Locos that are also not really correct but again  keep running forever some of mine are over 35 years old or more.
There is no way the new stuff will last that long two or three years or even
Less is the norm
As you can tell I am not a Rivit Counter but just enjoy watching my trains running through the countryside.
Bob
Title: Re: Union Mills locos - photos
Post by: GreenDiesel on August 14, 2016, 03:28:05 PM
Thanks! Look Forward to purchasing one in the future. 
Title: Re: Union Mills locos - photos
Post by: Railwaygun on August 14, 2016, 06:13:47 PM
@Green Diesel (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=1782)  - You should get the locos VAT free if you buy from Canada ( 20% off)

 
Title: Re: Union Mills locos - photos
Post by: PLD on August 14, 2016, 11:25:18 PM
@Green Diesel ([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=1782[/url])  - You should get the locos VAT free if you buy from Canada ( 20% off)
No you wont - not when purchasing from a seller who isn't VAT registered. Can't take off what hasn't been added on... ;)
Title: Re: Union Mills locos - photos
Post by: JayM481 on August 15, 2016, 04:07:02 AM
@Green Diesel ([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=1782[/url])  - You should get the locos VAT free if you buy from Canada ( 20% off)
No you wont - not when purchasing from a seller who isn't VAT registered. Can't take off what hasn't been added on... ;)


UM isn't VAT registered?
Title: Re: Union Mills locos - photos
Post by: JayM481 on August 15, 2016, 04:10:23 AM
@Green Diesel ([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=1782[/url])  - You should get the locos VAT free if you buy from Canada ( 20% off)


But then you might pay Canadian tax and duty on entry, which, depending on the Province, may still be cheaper, or may cost more.
Title: Re: Union Mills locos - photos
Post by: PLD on August 15, 2016, 07:44:59 AM
@Green Diesel ([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=1782[/url])  - You should get the locos VAT free if you buy from Canada ( 20% off)
No you wont - not when purchasing from a seller who isn't VAT registered. Can't take off what hasn't been added on... ;)


UM isn't VAT registered?
Nope...

He'd need to sell over 10,000 locos a year to get close the the threshold of 85k
Title: Re: Union Mills locos - photos
Post by: Bealman on August 15, 2016, 08:00:05 AM
Getting away from the economics and finance,  another nice thing about Union Mills is they do unusual prototypes that you can't get anywhere else.
Title: Re: Union Mills locos - photos
Post by: Bigmac on August 15, 2016, 10:18:02 PM
Getting away from the economics and finance,  another nice thing about Union Mills is they do unusual prototypes that you can't get anywhere else.


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Title: Re: Union Mills locos - photos
Post by: R Marshall on August 16, 2016, 08:12:17 PM
Getting away from the economics and finance,  another nice thing about Union Mills is they do unusual prototypes that you can't get anywhere else.

I agree wholeheartedly - D20, J25/6/7 - tremendous potential in these with just a little work. The SR machines too bring some much needed variety, to mention just one other region. Where else can you get ready to run models of these types. I can't really justify a B12 or a D16, but I'm tempted!

I've got Farish and Dapol models, but my D20 and pair of J26s are favourites by far.

Regards,

Roy
Title: Re: Union Mills locos - photos
Post by: Dr Al on August 17, 2016, 01:09:36 PM
I agree wholeheartedly - D20, J25/6/7 - tremendous potential in these with just a little work.


Going the whole hog in terms of superdetailing shows the fundamental soundness of the base models (apart from the original D20s which sat high) - my D20:

(http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/uploads/gallery/album_400/gallery_7627_400_28714.jpg)

Cheers,
Alan
Title: Re: Union Mills locos - photos
Post by: msr on August 22, 2016, 02:34:16 PM
A bunch of secondhand Union Mills locos has just gone on sale at Hattons, if you are interested:
http://www.hattons.co.uk/stocklist/preowned.aspx?utm_source=ehattons.com&utm_medium=redirect&utm_campaign=ehattonsredirect (http://www.hattons.co.uk/stocklist/preowned.aspx?utm_source=ehattons.com&utm_medium=redirect&utm_campaign=ehattonsredirect)
Title: Re: Union Mills locos - photos
Post by: daveg on August 22, 2016, 03:03:00 PM
Thanks for the info - appears to be 7 locos on offer.

Especially handy info if you are modelling LNER region.

Dave G
Title: Re: Union Mills locos - photos
Post by: Dr Al on August 22, 2016, 03:10:51 PM
Prices for secondhand are excessive - when postage added they'll be the same or slightly more than a brand new loco from UM....

Cheers,
Alan
Title: Re: Union Mills locos - photos
Post by: Bob Tidbury on August 22, 2016, 03:19:44 PM
That's something that that ALLWAYS puzzles me with EBay  there was once a NGS snowplough on there went for Silly  money , you could have joined the NGS for three or four years ,paid for the plough and still had enough left for a few pints .
People do get into a bidding frenzy on EBay,but why pay over the odds for something  second hand from a shop when you can buy it brand new from the manufacturer, it beats me.
Bob
Title: Re: Union Mills locos - photos
Post by: daveg on August 22, 2016, 03:22:21 PM
Didn't actually look at the prices, Dr Al but I'm sure you're not wrong.

I don't have a current UM list so not aware if the Hattons offerings are still available direct from Colin.

Dave G
Title: Re: Union Mills locos - photos
Post by: Dr Al on August 22, 2016, 03:23:32 PM
People do get into a bidding frenzy on EBay,but why pay over the odds for something  second hand from a shop when you can buy it brand new from the manufacturer, it beats me.
Bob

This is Hattons -  it seems like big retailers like Hattons and Rails have just crazy secondhand prices (how about 3 Farish Mk1 mail coaches from rails for 109 secondhand from Rails!!). Buying secondhand UM for 65-70 when they are 69 new seems utterly pointless unless they are out of stock at UM or have had something magnificent done to them (or been DCC fitted ).

But people must be buying them at these prices.....  :doh:  :doh:

Cheers,
Alan
Title: Re: Union Mills locos - photos
Post by: Dr Al on August 22, 2016, 03:26:29 PM
Didn't actually look at the prices, Dr Al but I'm sure you're not wrong.

I don't have a current UM list so not aware if the Hattons offerings are still available direct from Colin.

Dave G

The most recent list I've seen had all of them available new. Might not be true right at this moment in time, but seems a good chance Colin'll have it new.

Cheers,
Alan
Title: Re: Union Mills locos - photos
Post by: NeMo on August 22, 2016, 03:28:30 PM
But people must be buying them at these prices.....  :doh:  :doh:

Hattons varies wildly. I've gotten some very decent stuff from them in the past. Lots of Dogfish wagons for around 7-8, which is A LOT less than they go for on eBay and the like. I check their website every day, and over the years have been very pleased with what I've bought, but I agree, some stuff does seem pricey.

Rails, on the other hand, never seems well priced. Yet to buy anything secondhand from them. Plus, their eBay store is only marginally less confusing than their actual online store -- whereas Hattons is extremely easy to use, and hence my "big box" retailer of choice.

Cheers, NeMo
Title: Re: Union Mills locos - photos
Post by: Dr Al on August 22, 2016, 03:32:21 PM
Rails, on the other hand, never seems well priced. Yet to buy anything secondhand from them.

I'd agree - I still buy new from them as they often offer freepost on new releases, therefore undercutting Hattons. But a few years back their secondhand store just got super-greedy - they used to stick everything up 99p start and no reserve. Now it's crazy money fixed price, where, in some cases, a respectable offer would be half that (so I don't bother).

I don't know what in the market has fuelled this, but clearly people are still buying it.

Cheers,
Alan
Title: Re: Union Mills locos - photos
Post by: oreamnos on August 22, 2016, 07:36:14 PM
Regarding Hatton's pre-owned items I'd agree most on offer are priced too high.  But having said that, I have personally found some genuine bargains.  Most recently (past couple months) were:

1.) A new Class 25/2 for 74 (these were 85 new when released)
http://www.hattons.co.uk/stockdetail.aspx?SID=213763 (http://www.hattons.co.uk/stockdetail.aspx?SID=213763)
and
2.) A new weathered Hymek + 6 weathered milk tanks set for 105 (this set sold for 119 when released)
http://www.hattons.co.uk/stockdetail.aspx?SID=219102 (http://www.hattons.co.uk/stockdetail.aspx?SID=219102)

Both of those were listed as "like new" but when received they were clearly brand new.  While they might have been second hand, I could tell they'd never been run.  Both turned out to be excellent.  In particular, the Hymek (which was from an early run in 2008 which was spotty) turned out to be well assembled and a superb runner, and the supposedly "imperfect box" it came in was actually in mint condition (go figure).

So genuine bargains can be had.  The recently listed set of UM locos, however, are not bargains.

Matt
Title: Re: Union Mills locos - photos
Post by: painbrook on August 22, 2016, 09:02:33 PM
Always phone Colin before buying, I recently bought a Q2 that has not been advertised for a while. cheers john.
Title: Re: Union Mills locos - photos
Post by: Dorsetmike on August 22, 2016, 09:14:18 PM
Colin has in the past supplied me with a T9 loco just finished in Primer which I wanted to hack into a narrow cab version with 8 wheel tender (see my sig below) obviously had to wait until a new batch came out.
Title: Re: Union Mills locos - photos
Post by: GreenDiesel on August 23, 2016, 02:08:33 PM
There's one on the Hattons' site for 35 pounds (or at least was) ... That one might be a bargain? I realize it's been redecorated.
Title: Re: Union Mills locos - photos
Post by: mr bachmann on August 24, 2016, 03:59:18 PM
any news on the new loco yet ?
Title: Re: Union Mills locos - photos
Post by: CarriageShed on April 18, 2017, 06:08:30 PM
My Union Mills T9 after a bit of work:

(http://www.ngauge.historyfiles.co.uk/images/locomotives/N/Steam_ClassT9_17.jpg)

The Adams Class 395 will be next...
Title: Re: Union Mills locos - photos
Post by: Bob(K) on April 19, 2017, 07:03:20 AM
Very nice indeed. I have always wondered about the strange coupler on the front end of UM locos?

Bob
Title: Re: Union Mills locos - photos
Post by: ntpntpntp on April 19, 2017, 07:10:26 AM
I'd say it's a variant of the hook fitted to some of the smallest of the Arnold locos back in the 60s and 70s, probably where there was no room in the chassis to accommodate the T shank and spring of a normal Rapido coupling.
Title: Re: Union Mills locos - photos
Post by: Portpatrick on April 19, 2017, 07:58:21 AM
The Fowler 264 tank kit once made by Gem had similar couplings.   The standard   rapidof worked well with it
Title: Re: Union Mills locos - photos
Post by: Bealman on April 19, 2017, 08:07:06 AM
Lovely job on the T9.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Union Mills locos - photos
Post by: ntpntpntp on April 19, 2017, 09:40:15 AM
Well, I've just read through the entire thread, most interesting.  I've been aware of UM for a long time, so was hoping to find out a little about the background and history of the models.  Page 12 onward of this thread has definitely thrown some light on the subject, many thanks!

As a Continental N modeller since the 80s, I've had no real desire to own UM models - other than an LNER B12 to remind me of my favourite Triang OO loco from my youth.  Happy to say this is soon to be realised!
Title: Re: Union Mills locos - photos
Post by: MinZaPint on April 20, 2017, 03:47:57 PM
"CarriageShed" That is a lovely job on the T9, I'll have to work harder on mine!
Title: Re: Union Mills locos - photos
Post by: Newportnobby on April 20, 2017, 03:52:04 PM
Do UM have a colour brochure with pics of their models?
Title: Re: Union Mills locos - photos
Post by: CarriageShed on April 20, 2017, 04:51:17 PM
"CarriageShed" That is a lovely job on the T9, I'll have to work harder on mine!

I can't claim to be responsible for the lining - that was done by an expert - but the extra body paintwork and detailing certainly rounded off the work quite nicely. I'm getting an Adams Class 395 ready for a similar treatment next.

Do UM have a colour brochure with pics of their models?

Not to my knowledge, but if you're interested in a specific loco there are many, many photos available online. I probably have quite a few of the SR and S&D ones already.
Title: Re: Union Mills locos - photos
Post by: Newportnobby on April 20, 2017, 08:06:42 PM

Do UM have a colour brochure with pics of their models?

Not to my knowledge, but if you're interested in a specific loco there are many, many photos available online. I probably have quite a few of the SR and S&D ones already.

I'm thinking of an 0-8-0 tender loco as it would look good at the head of a rake of Butterleys or hopper wagons so if you have any pics  I'd appreciate a glimpse please.
Title: Re: Union Mills locos - photos
Post by: CarriageShed on April 20, 2017, 10:34:14 PM
Not one of mine as I only have one 0-8-0 tender loco that still needs detailing, but how about a G2:

(https://www.wicknessmodels.co.uk/images/shop_categories/1311846249043_IMG_8276.jpg)

It'll pull all the stock you can stick behind it, and it's ready and waiting for detailing, such as real coal, crew, fall plate, vacuum pipes, lamp irons, coupling hooks, cab handrails, and a wash of grime as heavy or as light as you need. Also, repaint the buffer beam with a slightly less luminous shade of red and the buffers a nice dark metal. It sounds a lot but it'll make a huge difference to the finished article.
Title: Re: Union Mills locos - photos
Post by: Newportnobby on April 21, 2017, 10:40:01 AM
Thanks very much for that! I may well indulge and then send it off to a professional weathering person.
Title: Re: Union Mills locos - photos
Post by: CarriageShed on April 21, 2017, 11:59:51 AM
Thanks very much for that! I may well indulge and then send it off to a professional weathering person.

I've done a few loco detailing jobs without going so far as to carve off moulded handrails and the like. Once you get used to it you certainly do start to feel more adventurous. I'm even contemplating a far more ambitious hack on a UM T9 in the nearish future. They're easy to work with and a good paint job will mask anything but the most serious mistakes.
Title: Re: Union Mills locos - photos
Post by: paulprice on April 21, 2017, 12:56:28 PM
I must admit I am very tempted to add a G2 to the fleet
Title: Re: Union Mills locos - photos
Post by: ntpntpntp on April 21, 2017, 02:23:43 PM
So... this smart little thing arrived today,  35 on eBay as spares/repair due to disconnected wire.  I took a chance as always wanted one of these - my favourite loco as a kid was my Triang B12.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/51/5885-210417141404.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=51116)

The first UM loco I've ever encountered "in the metal" so-to-speak.  Heavy ain't she?!  I can see the design influences from the good old Peco Jubilee (another loco I've re-acquired recently to satisfy old memories of my British N days).

Up and running in a couple of minutes of course - am I correct in my diagnosis that the wire is simply held in place on the loco by passing through the small hole and secured by the rear chassis plate screw?

A bit hesitant at first, but a tiny touch of Power Lube on the loco axles under the cover plate and away she goes.  Might need a new traction tyre at some point, there is a slight wobble.
Title: Re: Union Mills locos - photos
Post by: CarriageShed on April 21, 2017, 03:12:19 PM
...am I correct in my diagnosis that the wire is simply held in place on the loco by passing through the small hole and secured by the rear chassis plate screw?

Yep, absolutely correct. I try and make sure that there's a good length of exposed (soldered) wire in there as a short length may result in pick-up problems. Aside from that, if you take the loco body apart, make sure you put the driving wheels back the right way up and the right way around, otherwise nothing will work. Don't ask me how I know this...
Title: Re: Union Mills locos - photos
Post by: ntpntpntp on April 21, 2017, 03:24:39 PM
... make sure you put the driving wheels back the right way up and the right way around, otherwise nothing will work. Don't ask me how I know this...

Yep, first thing I checked when she didn't want to run after replacing the wire.  I'm familiar with the arrangement, same idea as the Peco Jub.    As I say, just wasn't picking up well through the driving axles but a pinch of Power Lube sorted that!
Title: Re: Union Mills locos - photos
Post by: TheSoutherner on January 22, 2019, 03:51:43 PM
Hi, your enhancements to the T9 looks great, it has really transformed the appearance. I see you posted this sometime ago, have you completed your upgrades to the Adams 0395 yet?
Title: Re: Union Mills locos - photos
Post by: CarriageShed on January 23, 2019, 09:36:23 AM
Glad you like the T9. A bit of detailing and lining to UM locos really does make a great difference.

The Adams has been languishing at the back of the paint shop shed for a while but has recently been moved to the head of the processing queue, along with a GEM Class Z.
Title: Re: Union Mills locos - photos
Post by: Portpatrick on January 23, 2019, 12:39:20 PM
I too gave in to temptation with a B12 in LNER Green.  And yeas On used UM locos I have bought = all except the Prince of Wales, I sometimes have to strip and remount the connecting wire.  That is about it though.
Title: Re: Union Mills locos - photos
Post by: Bigmac on July 03, 2019, 02:59:59 PM
Thanks, I'll investigate. Actually I have a reasonable chance of identifying grouping-era kettles and BR standard classes, but the UM stuff is really off my radar.


7F:

([url]http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/MTA2NlgxNjAw/z/cm8AAOSwzgRWyfka/[/url]$_1.JPG)

HTH,
Alan


Here's a 7F at Warwick, travelling towards Birmingham.
[url]http://www.warwickshirerailways.com/gwr/gwrw388.htm[/url] ([url]http://www.warwickshirerailways.com/gwr/gwrw388.htm[/url])


the photo in the link is a 7f--not a g2.  had me puzzled.
Title: Re: Union Mills locos - photos
Post by: Bigmac on July 03, 2019, 03:00:52 PM
wrong--its a g2--not a 7f.
Title: Re: Union Mills locos - photos
Post by: PLD on July 03, 2019, 06:05:52 PM
the photo in the link is a 7f--not a g2.  had me puzzled.
wrong--its a g2--not a 7f.

Yes and No...

The loco pictured is unquestionably an ex LNWR G2 as modelled by Union Mills, however they were classified as '7F' in the LMS Power classification scheme from 1928 onwards...
 ;)
Title: Re: Union Mills locos - photos
Post by: Portpatrick on July 03, 2019, 06:59:02 PM
Agreed.  A G2.  Not one of the infamous Fowler "Austin " 7s
Title: Re: Union Mills locos - photos
Post by: Bigmac on November 23, 2019, 03:44:16 PM
I double head a 2p and a 3f onmt S & D layout....they look fantastic

yes--since i swapped tenders from my 2p (new motor) with an older 7f ( old motor)  my 2p and 3f (old motor ) are very closely matched--ideal double heading.
Title: Re: Union Mills locos - photos
Post by: daveg on November 23, 2019, 06:34:59 PM
Don't know how I've missed (?forgotten?) this thread.

Here's pictures of my 2 UM locos, running beautifully and both fettled by the talented @Ozymandias (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=3534) of this parish.

City of Truro
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/79/1087-170719170715.jpeg)

T9
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/52/1087-150617100533.jpeg)

Dave G
Title: Re: Union Mills locos - photos
Post by: Stuarted on May 15, 2020, 09:37:31 PM

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/93/7776-150520213245.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=93415)
 I purchased my first Union Mills locomotive (a J11) yesterday and it arrived today!! I think it looks wonderful. Having read the thread on detailing, and bearing in mind my limitations, I will be at least renumbering it.
Title: Re: Union Mills locos - photos
Post by: Bigmac on May 16, 2020, 09:23:22 PM
heres what happens to union mills locos that are no longer made...

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Union-mills-Locomotive-N-Gauge-Class-7F-0-8-0-Loco-BR-Black-Livery-/324157646946?nma=true&si=xF%252BTvDkIHU0aQDIeI96uDhn3zSI%253D&orig_cvip=true&nordt=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557 (https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Union-mills-Locomotive-N-Gauge-Class-7F-0-8-0-Loco-BR-Black-Livery-/324157646946?nma=true&si=xF%252BTvDkIHU0aQDIeI96uDhn3zSI%253D&orig_cvip=true&nordt=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557)
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