Hi all, I have posted previously about my annoyance with Dapol and their on again off again attitude with these coaches. Can anyone tell me if the loco hauled mk3 coaChe's are the same as the hst ones. If they are is it easy to remove the buffers from them. I see Hattons have some and thought I could maybe get these if they were identical as I want to get the little guys hst up and running and have been waiting for over twelve months for the ones I preordered at the same times preordered the hst
Thanks in advance for the help
Bart
Quote from: 1936ace on November 22, 2012, 03:29:15 AM
Hi all, I have posted previously about my annoyance with Dapol and their on again off again attitude with these coaches. Can anyone tell me if the loco hauled mk3 coaChe's are the same as the hst ones. If they are is it easy to remove the buffers from them. I see Hattons have some and thought I could maybe get these if they were identical as I want to get the little guys hst up and running and have been waiting for over twelve months for the ones I preordered at the same times preordered the hst
Thanks in advance for the help
Bart
It depends on the livery you are interested in. If it is the blue/grey coaches there is an important difference - the HST coaches without buffers have 'Inter City 125' inscribed, whereas the loco hauled stock with buffers only have 'Inter City'. Others may comment on more 'modern' color schemes!
Having said that, I am equally frustrated by the lack of new Mk3 coaches from Dapol. I have 5 blue/grey Dapol 'Inter City 125' coaches and have sneaked in a TSO 'Inter City' with buffers amongst them so I can run a 6 coach HST - you would have to have pretty keen eyes to notice ;)
Having said that - please hurry up with the buffet cars Dapol cos I can't disguise the lack of those!!!
Mike
Hi, thanks for that.
I had them on pre order but received an email from Hattons that they had been cancelled by dapol. I know he is only just turned four but the ONLY train that matters is the xpt( our version of the hst) and he gets a little upset if people try and tell him otherwise. He is happy and has been known to run coal wagons, mk1's even a breakdown crane behind it but I would like to get him some stars so it at least is sort of right. I have the blue Pullman on order coming soon and don't want a melt down because his hst only has two coaches.
Yes bring on the blue and grey please, apparently they were release well before the hst were announce and before I got into the hobby so I'm told, why dapol would sell coaches when there is no power cars released surelys it can't be that hard, they have a product people want
Bart
Just a thought and thinking out of the box a little, what about buying some ebay GF Mk3's and getting some Electra vinyls in the livery that you're after. Drop Adam an email, he's very helpful.
One of my medium to long term goals is to make up a FGW "Fag Packet" HST and this is what I'll have to do.
Hey mate, thanks for that idea. I have never done vinyl covering before, I suppose that's makes a good cost effective option
Thanks bart
Quote from: Chetcombe on November 22, 2012, 03:39:19 AM
It depends on the livery you are interested in. If it is the blue/grey coaches there is an important difference - the HST coaches without buffers have 'Inter City 125' inscribed, whereas the loco hauled stock with buffers only have 'Inter City'.
Not necessarily a problem as HST Mk.3s only had 'Inter-City' on until around 1979 when the '125' was added.
The buffers are a two second job to remove on the Dapol mk3's, just nick them off with a sharp scalpel (with care of course!). The coaches will need renumbering and transfers are available from Fox transfers for numbering and lettering. Dapol produced two INTERCITY liveried coaches numbered as HST coaches but with buffers fitted NC212A/B. These needed the buffers removing.
Cheers
Mark
yeh i got one of these NC212A/B and cut off the buffers
i still need a buffet and a tgs though of course...
has anyone added light bars to their train?
tim
Quote from: bluedepot on November 22, 2012, 07:17:56 PM
has anyone added light bars to their train?
tim
I have put light bars into my HST and am pleased with the results. Some folks on the forum feel that the look is a little blue and suggest putting the bars in upside down to mute them a little, I just think it is great to have an easy way of putting lights into carriages. The only issue I have had was that I dislodged one of the wires to the connector and had to solder it back on - a little fiddly because the wire is so thin. Anyway, here is a pic.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/62/thumb_2407.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=2407)
Mike
cheers mike i might try out the light bars myself then! i don't have lights on platform / in buildings etc. but it might be fun anyway to have the hst set with lights in it
tim
Hi all, sorry for banging on about the mk3 coaches from dapol but i got a reply back from Joel of Dapol who said the buffets will be 4-6 weeks away so that makes it about two weeks off now fingers crossed. I have just been on the web at Rails and they have heaps more br blue grey listed then hattons. buffets 1st and 2nd available but it does not say if they are for hst or are loco hauled stock. there are some numbers i assume coach numbers some start with a W the other is E.
Does this denote hst vs loco hauled coach. can anyone advise which ones i need
thanks all
bart
Hi Bart,
The coaches we have listed are from a list DapolDave posted on RMWeb, we confirmed with Dapol that they are correct. We then listed them on the website as i noticed that we would be one of the first to advertise them :)
I can confirm they are HST Non-Buffered examples (HST Coach numbers are numbered in the 4XXXX series) and the W and E refer to Western or Eastern.
Ollie
Thanks ollie,
I will have to go now and pay attention to see what car numbers are on the coaches from the book set.
Bart
Hi Bart
The original HST bookset was a western region (w) class 253 set, all the coaches released for the HST to date have the W prefix.
Only the latest blue/grey HST is an eastern region set (e) class 254 and no seperate coaches have been releasedfor it yet.
Hope that helps.
Mark
As a point of order and to show my ignorance of such matters, was there more than one buffet coach per HST (FGW) train?
Only very early Blue/Grey sets had two buffet cars.
Since around 1983 all HST sets had one buffet car in normal service.
But I do know there was at least one buffet car that was kept for charter use in HST's but I never saw it used.
Cheers
Mark
hi all, just read hattons have the new buffets according to their newsletter but when i checked it is for the private hst no blue/grey ones :veryangry:
going to check rails and others to see if dapol have got their act together yet
bart
just ordered mk3 buffet,1st and 2nd from rails. i wonder if they hold them until all are in stock and send as one parcel
bart
Update from Dapol.
A few months ago a ask Dapol for information re release dates for blue grey mk3 coaches to match the hst. The reply I got was that they would be within the next 6 weeks or so with the rest to follow soon.
So on Thursady i sent a reply back to see if they were close to getting them out and i received a reply that same day from Joel Bright of Dapol saying "We are a bit behind schedule, but I will let you know ore precisely where we are next week."
So fingers crossed we might be finding out soon
regards
Aaron
Another update from dapol,
Just received an email from Joel the boss at Dapol and he advised the following:
First, second and Buffet cars with buffers are due to be shipped in around a weeks time and the non-buffered stock is due to be shipped out the end of October.
My apologies for the delay in these models, however these delays have been beyond our control.
Yeh :bounce: looks like the coaches will be with in the shops by november
Bart
Nice work Bart,
I am not in a position to get myself a HST yet (sold my old Poole Farish one), but one day I would love an example in Swallow Livery.
Did Joel say anything about the remaining HST Mk3s in Swallow?
Cheers
Skyline2uk
Quote from: Skyline2uk on September 14, 2013, 11:01:58 AM
Did Joel say anything about the remaining HST Mk3s in Swallow?
Cheers
Skyline2uk
Looks like February 2014.
http://dapol.co.uk/index.php?route=product/category&path=179_298_300_330 (http://dapol.co.uk/index.php?route=product/category&path=179_298_300_330)
Cool, at least they haven't been forgotten :D
:thankyousign:
Skyline2uk
Woo hoo,
Ive been what seems like years for these to go into production.
Whats the diffrence between intercity executive and swollow as I dont want to order the wrong set.
not difficult to spot which HST trailer is still missing from the list :veryangry:
it really would be nice if they had produced a complete rake, rather than tons of schemes in some trailers.
IIRC blue / grey was the first HST listed, although of course the trailers were released but not the power cars, which were ages. Still of course waiting for the buffets, although other schemes which had not even been mentioned have got theirs now, and the TGS is still not mentioned in any scheme.
at least my Farish set has the correct trailers, unlike my Dapol ones.
The blue ones initially ran without a TGS so it's not that big a deal ::)
when i got back into the hobby and got my hattons catologue advertising the new dapol bookset hst i did not realise that the coaches had been released a lot earlier. So when zac finally got the hst when it came out after i did the pre order thing i was frustrated as hell when i saw all the later versions of the hst liveries been released and having the extra coaches realeased before the blue grey ones.
So i have been chasing the extra blue grey ones. I have since learnt that there are east and west versions but im just happy to get extra coaches, hopefully i have preordered the right ones.
bart
Quote from: EtchedPixels on September 14, 2013, 08:45:39 PM
The blue ones initially ran without a TGS so it's not that big a deal ::)
depends on which ones you want to model, but that is not the point.
to my mind it's like saying 'we'll release a steam loco now, but the tender will be released some time in the future'
Nice to see loco hauled Virgin livery stuff on the list
BUT
No Virgin Mk3 DVT available so I will be sticking with my Farish re-vinyls and modded DVT and save the money for other goodies.