which of the new dapol hst`s will be the best selling livery?
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I would guess blue/grey, but in my house it will be Intercity Swallow, if they get the livery right. The pre-painted samples appeared to have a too dark/green-tinged lower body colour. I don't remember Swallow livery having Khaki in it :smiley-laughing: If it's wrong on the actual release, then that at least leaves me £200 or so for other stuff :)
R E Faust
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the dapol mk3`s that are out at the mo, are they for the br intercity or the executive hst
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From the Dapol Mark 3 coaches, without buffers, you can have blue/grey, INTERCITY, and Virgin liveries
However, without the TGS and buffet, you will need to temporarily use the Farish versions...
So far there are the just the TF and TS
According to Dapol, the Virgin liveried sets are being packed for despatch and the blue/grey ones are held up at southampton docks. No mention of the executive or swallow liveried sets tho...
http://www.dapol.co.uk/index.php
hope this is useful for someone..
Mark
Hmm, so that's another two weeks delay before the blue/grey ones start dropping through peoples doors by the time they get to shops and they pack them and send them out to those who have ordered - that's a bit of a bummer. I wonder what the delay at the docks is all about.
H.
Rails have sent an email out today 12-05-11. They have 43071 & 43067 (Buffered) in stock finished in Virgin livery. Shame they come with a TSO & TFO as I only want the power cars to go with my Farish MK3's that I am more than happy with.....Going to be an expensive year as i have 2 rakes of Swallow and 1 rake of Virgin XC !!
Roll on the release of the Swallow livery......
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I can see a lot of Dapol Mk3s hitting eBay in coming weeks. ;D
I was thinking that myself Adam.......To be honest with you, if I could pick them up reasonable id be happy to have a rake. Its just that I have 3 Farish rakes that im more than happy with.....Just not to keen on the Bach / Farish Power cars. Possibly quite a few Farish power cars on eBay aswell???
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had an email today saying rails sheffield have the virgin one in stock at £127.50 (RRP 159.95) although i would expect hattons to be a couple of quid cheeper.
hattons are selling them for £129, virgin in stock, blue/grey should be available in about a week.
hth
Mark
Hello everyone,I shall be having 2 hst's in blue/grey livery as soon as they arrive in the shops.I have 2 on order at Rails of Sheffield,whom sent me an e-mail earlier today to let me know they are due to arrive next week.I can't wait a moment longer.I have enough mk3 stock to make up 2 full rakes,although I only have one buffet car.Passengers unlucky enough to catch the one without will just have to go hungry and thirsty won't they!
Quote from: Pete Mc on May 20, 2011, 01:44:32 AMPassengers unlucky enough to catch the one without will just have to go hungry and thirsty won't they!
Yep, that's certainly the attitude that many of the TOCs take. ;)
and I'm still waiting patiently for my HST...................I don't recall them being quite this late.
H.
Well back in the old WAGN days before FCC took over in 2006. There used to be a trolley service on the trains between Peterborough and London Kings Cross. Nowadays you have to pay a visit to WHSmith before boarding the train for London. As for Dapol not yet having a buffet car to complete the rake, you could always operate a trolley service on the HST's until the missing part finally comes out. Or use a farish one for the time being ;).
Quote from: D306Whistler on May 20, 2011, 02:45:08 PM. As for Dapol not yet having a buffet car to complete the rake, you could always operate a trolley service on the HST's until the missing part finally comes out. Or use a farish one for the time being
Soon it won't matter - there'll be no buffet cars left. Apparently the last buffet car train runs on East Coast trains today and that leaves only one TOC regulalrly using them on a scheduled service.
H.
EC will still be having buffet cars as normal. The big change form Monday will be a complimentary at-seat meal for all first class customers, served airline-style instead of the traditional restaurant car service. This will be more like the service in first class on Eurostar or Virgin.
All the fleet has been to Brush at Loughborough for modifications to accommodate the new catering trollies.
FGW will be the only remaining operator to offer any sort of restaurant car in regular service.
What about East Midlands Trains? Have they dropped the Buffet Cars as well then? :(.
think east mids trains re-fitted their hst sets to just have a trolley....
i think that's crap because you have to walk down the train to find it if u want a tea and don't have time to wait for it to get to you....
tim
Hello chaps,just thought I'd tell everyone the blue/grey liveried hst book set is now in the shops.
Rails of Sheffield rang me up just after lunch to tell me they were in so I duly went and bought two of em.It would be rude not to wouldn't it.
Anyway,as some may be wondering,what are they like?
Short answer is,fantastic.Once I got them home,I oiled them and let em run round with just the dummy power cars on,then coupled them up to a full rake of mk3's of farish and dapol.As it became apparent to me that on the inclines of my layout are 70mm along a 4ft run it struggles with 8 coaches so one was removed which solved this minor problem.
Also,due to the lack of weight in the farish mk3's,they,in my opinion are not a good match with the dapol stock,nor do they run as smoothly,but then my farish mk3's are quite old and a bit battered.
As far as detail,paint finish and running capabilities are concerned,I would say they are top notch.Just what I've wanted on my layout for months.They look great at speed and go a bit too.Sometimes its nice to watch trains going fast and these don't dissappoint.It would be my guess that these will sell out in no time so be quick.
By the way,Dapol Dave didn't pay me owt for writing this.
Just a quick question..
Are exhaust deflectors included with the blue/grey HST?
thanks
Mark
They were with my one; in the bag of extras for self fitting.
H.
thanks H . I scrubbed a blue/grey hst off my shopping list because of the lack of roof deflectors. The Mrs was very happy. Now she's going to be cross when i put it back on! Thanks again. Mark.
Quote from: scruff on June 06, 2011, 06:56:25 PM
I scrubbed a blue/grey hst off my shopping list because of the lack of roof deflectors.
Crumbs, I would have thought that going without would be a bit drastic for such a small issue - after all it'd be very easy to knock up some from plasticard yourself if they weren't included. ;)
H.
Quote from: H on June 07, 2011, 12:17:28 AM
Quote from: scruff on June 06, 2011, 06:56:25 PM
I scrubbed a blue/grey hst off my shopping list because of the lack of roof deflectors.
Crumbs, I would have thought that going without would be a bit drastic for such a small issue - after all it'd be very easy to knock up some from plasticard yourself if they weren't included. ;)
H.
I feel a "How to" coming on H ;)
:smiley-laughing:
TPM still do a HST enhancement pack, 1600
Therefore where the air deflector is missing this could be modified and added to the Dapol model
Quote from: mjkerr on June 07, 2011, 09:07:14 AM
TPM still do a HST enhancement pack, 1600 Therefore where the air deflector is missing this could be modified and added to the Dapol model
No need to make one or to adapt the TPM kit, they come with the Dapol HSTs and if any were missing I'm sure Dapol would supply them directly as a replacement. ;D
H.
H, we definitely need a how to..
I bit the bullet, upset the Mrs and bought a blue/grey HST from Hattons this afternoon.
Now how do I fit those pesky deflectors without getting glue everywhere and which glue would be best?
It is a cracking model and looked really good sat on Hattons test track next to a sound fitted Dapol 10000 loco which looked brilliant.
Mark
Just got one and after 2 hours running in (in which time it's got ridiculously hot) I've just timed the scale speed flat out - it takes a whisker under 2 seconds to cover 300mm - i.e. one second to cover 150mm, or one second to cover a scale 72.5 feet.
If I round 72.5 feet per second up to 80 feet per second to be generous the scale speed = 55 MPH !!!!!!!!!!! :( >:(
I thought it was an Intercity 125....and one once did 143MPH to gain a speed record?
Sorry, but I'm very very unimpressed - current consumption is high (250mA), scale speed is low (55mph - I don't know whether to laugh or cry......) and it gets very hot.
Poor.
Regards,
Alan
P.s. this is not being run on anything strange either - standard Peco code 55, nothing tighter than 14" radius, on a Gaugemaster D (i.e. a fairly bog standard DC controller).
I would be concerned about the heat
Where exactly is it being generated from?
I have a similar issue with my Dapol Voyagers, but without the heat
They do not run at a scale 125mph, but there is great low speed control
Sadly I think Dapol have transferred the technology from Class 66 / 67 into these two models, great for low speed but not practical for recreating high speed trains (which can run for several hours)
Quote from: mjkerr on June 17, 2011, 10:22:00 PM
I would be concerned about the heat
Where exactly is it being generated from?
It's from the motor - presumably this is shot in some way. The current consumption does not change if you take it off track and even if you unclip the bogies.
It was oiled carefully as directed on the instruction sheet (even though on this Dapol can't spell the word "lubrication"....). Like you say it's concerning (even if the speed was ok) for the longevity of the unit.
My 86s run much faster, and look to have a largely similar mechanism, so it should be better than this.
It's going back.
Cheers,
Alan
A few retailers are now listing the 'Intercity Executive' liveried version in stock. Looks very nice but I'm not totally convinced by the lower bodyside colour, almost looks khaki :( I did have this on my to buy list but I'm having second thoughts after my experiences with the Britannia.
R E Faust
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I don't think I'll bother with Dapol locos again. So many bad reports on so many models!
I'll wait till Farish bring out what I need.
Cudders
Quote from: cudders on June 19, 2011, 02:38:57 PM
I don't think I'll bother with Dapol locos again. So many bad reports on so many models!
I'll wait till Farish bring out what I need.
Cudders
I think i will be doing the same mate,
after reading about the nitemares with the HST, Im gonna see if i can get a later bachmann farish of good old ebay as everyone one wants a dapol version...
I'm also keeping my Farish ones - the Dapol one looks nice but its a lot of cash, plus I've already fitted mine with sound and they have other oddments like etched revised light clusters and the missing rear detail added so aren't quite so far behind.
The revised FGW may be a different matter, although I'm slightly short of an excuse for one.
I'm thinking of getting an HST...
Just trying to work out the blood and custard livery I'd run it in. I'm thinking something like the blue/grey livery but with red instead of blue and cream instead of grey. The alternative would be red at the front with small yellow ends...
Quote from: Sailor Charon on June 23, 2011, 03:22:37 PM
I'm thinking of getting an HST...
Just trying to work out the blood and custard livery I'd run it in. I'm thinking something like the blue/grey livery but with red instead of blue and cream instead of grey. The alternative would be red at the front with small yellow ends...
Not black with silver roof and bogies ?
I get the feeling that if it was left to Sailor, everything would be painted blood & custard :smiley-laughing: :smiley-laughing:
my hst in intercity swallow livery has just arrived!!!!!
well... i've never seen the farish one close up, but the dapol one looks great, like the wipers and grills, to be honest it doesnt look as 'wow' as some of the new farish locos and wagons i've seen.... but anyway it still looks pretty damn great... compared to n gauge a decade ago it's amazing....
i'm slightly nervous it wont work that well after the reports.... i'll test it later tonight or tomorrow evening....
i'm also slightly nervous that i've spent about £220 on n gauge this month...
tim
problem number #1:
what decoder fits into the hst?
i notice that the standard bachmann decoder will not fit....
can someone suggest alternatives that are totally flat?
thanks
tim
The thinnest Decoder I know is the DCX75 by CT Electronic.
In the Dapol catalogue they list the recommended decoders to use with each model.
For the HST they say:
TCS 1298
Zimo MX621N
CT DCX 75N
Digital Plus Silver Mini 10311-02
Gaugemaster DCC 23
Hope this helps
R E Faust
thanks for the advice macrat and r e faust
massive anti-climax now as i need to get some decoders to run it on my layout!!! :(
i'll have to try and buy some on saturday....
anyone on here got the dapol hst on dcc, if so what decoder did you use?
cheers
tim
I've got a TCS EUN615 (same as 1298 mentioned above) in my Virgin HST, it works really well. My IC Swallow should be arriving this morning. I'm expecting the colours not to match the Mk3 coaches I've already bought for it :'(
Steve
you are quite correct, the coaches with the set are almost black on the dark grey and the roofs are black. To be fair they don't look too bad but there are new coaches being released in july by Dapol.
The blue/grey are better but the set coaches have a black roof whereas the older ones are grey, again they pass muster but matching would have been better.
HTH
Mark
Quote from: Lawrence on June 23, 2011, 07:01:19 PM
I get the feeling that if it was left to Sailor, everything would be painted blood & custard :smiley-laughing: :smiley-laughing:
Dunno why, exactly, because I'm not old enough to remember it in real life, but somehow... to me it just seems right for coaches. :)
hmmmmm, i'm in two minds now about whether to swap it for a blue/grey one :( i will compare coaches later on and see what i think... maybe
is a gaugemaster 6 pin decoder any good? this is the only type in stock at my local shop that will fit it ok.
cheers
tim
I've got both Blue/grey and swallow versions, maybe I'm easily pleased but I'm really pleased with them both. To my mind they are a huge improvement over the old Farish models which were good for their day but look dated compared to the new Dapol HST. The extra blue/grey coaches need the roofs painting black, The swallow liveried coaches need replacing with new colour ones and the existing grey ones relettered to executive style with black painted roofs which will hopefully go with the executive livery set. I don't know what to do about the extra window on the DMLV, maybe milliput and paint it falcon grey or else renumber it as a DMB. For some reason I've not got very wobbly nose lines on the swallow set, unless you magnify the lines they look ok and the lamp lenses look fine to me as well.
HTH
Mark
anyone know when can you buy the matching coaches to go with the swallow set?
tim
Dapol are saying they should be available next month(july).
HTH
Mark
thanks mark, think i'll buy some of these then so they will match the set.
i now have the hst running, using a gaugemaster decoder. it's running ok so far.... just a few uncoupling incidents but running smoothly. i'm running it in now...
cheers
tim
Looking at the snaps of the IC Swallow one on Hattons, theres seems some strange stuff going on - as well as the iffy painting of the striping around the nose the "Intercity" branding looks printed too low down the coach bodysides, and the front end lights of the powercar 43118 don't match the other powercar! They look oddly curved upwards!
Think I'll stick with my old faithful Farish one for now!
Cheers,
Alan
"the front end lights of the powercar 43118 don't match the other powercar! They look oddly curved upwards!"
lights are fine on my one i'm pleased to say :)
it's running well too so far, and it now has chips in both power cars so i can control the lights.
best wishes
tim
I just noticed Hattons are showing the executive livery set as in stock.
Mark
any pictures of the executive set?
it's so hard to know in advance what livery to chose with new releases....
The Executive set is now on sale, though with INTERCITY Swallow-era coaches... :thumbsdown:
It's true that there would have been rare occastions that two exec power cars would have worked a Swallow-branded rake from 1988 onwards but this seems to be a really strange choice. Blue/Grey Mk3s would have been a better choice, IMHO.
Quote from: captainelectra on August 22, 2011, 08:04:00 AM
The Executive set is now on sale, though with INTERCITY Swallow-era coaches... :thumbsdown:
It's true that there would have been rare occastions that two exec power cars would have worked a Swallow-branded rake from 1988 onwards but this seems to be a really strange choice. Blue/Grey Mk3s would have been a better choice, IMHO.
Is it just me or does it sound like Dapol doing this on the cheap - saving them having to tool for printing the older style Intercity Executive coach livery?
Cheers,
Alan
I couldn't possibly comment. At least not on a public forum... :smiley-laughing:
Slightly off topic but agreeing with Zunnans overall analysis of Dapol products,the Cl26 and 121 are high
on mine and many others wants list and instead of looking forward to the release of these models,because of what has gone before,there is a slight feeling of apprehension.Does anyone else feel like this..?Hopefully it will be unfounded and we get great models but i think Dapol need to start listening to their customer base on the issue of QC...
Quote from: Dock Shunter on August 22, 2011, 12:54:25 PM
instead of looking forward to the release of these models,because of what has gone before,there is a slight feeling of apprehension.Does anyone else feel like this..?
Yes, have done since the first 9F - everything since I've bought on hope rather than expectation. ::)
Cheers,
Alan
I have a 121 on pre-order with Rails of Sheffield and, like most, have some misgivings as I keep telling myself not to purchase Dapol locos.
Still, it's either that or go without. I won't be standing any nonsense though. It either works or goes back ::)
I am not pre-ordering the 121 even though I would love a green one and could see a use for a blue one as well. I admit, they are diesels so *should* be ok but having read the comments about the 125 (which I am holding off on as I don't need the extra cars and there is some suggestion on Dapol's Facebook page that the ND111 sets will be out next year...) I am starting to wonder if they have snatched a drama from the jaws of a working thing. The other flying boxes all work fine so why change it?
I might just by a dummy 121, that way I know it will do what it's supposed to. :smiley-laughing: :thumbsup:
There does seem to be some inconsistency with the recent output from Dapol. The 67, 86, 58 and Terrier have all been met with general acclaim but the Brit, Hall and HST seem to be causing concern in some quarters (wrong coaches, grey wheels, incorrect lining, etc).
Dapol's OO LMS 10000, Sentinel and Well Tank all appear to be excellent (and the Beattie has black wheels), so hopefully this is just a blip!
I wonder how difficult it is to remove the Dapol lettering using a cotton bud and some white spirit? Fox do sheets of the correct "Inter-City 125" exec branding and numbersets.
My grumpy inner voice says that why should you have to do that after paying £140 for a model...? :evil:
Quote from: captainelectra on August 22, 2011, 05:11:41 PMMy grumpy inner voice says that why should you have to do that after paying £140 for a model...? :evil:
That's how I feel about the mismatch of the colours between the previous batches of coaches and the HST sets. A number of people have been saying "it's no problem, you can respray/weather them". I shouldn't have to do that!
Steve
What are the part numbers of the coaches to compliment the current InterCity Executive & INTERCITY booksets respectively? I want to make sure I don't end up with mismatching colours.
Thanks.
dapol FGW hst 125... £100
http://www.lytchettmanormodels.co.uk/page10.htm (http://www.lytchettmanormodels.co.uk/page10.htm)
Quote from: 47475 on December 20, 2011, 06:12:20 AM
What are the part numbers of the coaches to compliment the current InterCity Executive & INTERCITY booksets respectively? I want to make sure I don't end up with mismatching colours.
Thanks.
Good news and bad news really. The good news is that if you buy the ND212a&b
INTERCITY branded coaches you won't be wrong for matching both sets. The bad news is that Dapol cheated and hasn't ever made Executive livery Mk3 coaches; they put Swallow livery coaches in the Exec set and painted the power cars the darker shade of grey to match the coaches.
i wish they'd hurry up with the buffet and tgs!!!
i have 4 coaches that match the shade of grey on the power cars, and 1 that doesn't... oh well...
i hav the swallow livery power cars, but just wondered what people think of the executive livery ones? i was kind of thinking i might get the executive ones as well, seeing as they go with the coaches, i could just swap power cars over...
tim
I love mine but the white banding is slightly too low, there should be a small yellow area between the white band and the front light cluster.
(http://i1093.photobucket.com/albums/i434/scruffyted/Dapol%20HST/2011-09-22224740-2.jpg)
I think it looks ok but at the end of the day, can you live with it? after all, its your railway..
Dapol have shown off a prototype buffet car so they are on the horizon, I have got a note saying they are due jan/feb 2012 but I think it'll be spring time before we see them, The TGS is supposed to follow on after the buffet.
HTH
Mark
I have been comparing photos to see why the white stripe is so incorrect, but it is not that obvious and difficult to describe
I agree, basically it is too low, on the nose it sweeps upwards slightly (so that when viewed from the front it remains level) rather than downwards on the model
Compare :
http://www.flickr.com/photos/28622441@N02/5050641877/# (http://www.flickr.com/photos/28622441@N02/5050641877/#)
The early liveried HST power cars did not carry their numbers on the nose however I cannot find a reference photo of 43056 in this livery to compare
However, there is a more obvious error
Look at the size and location of the BR logo and InterCity 125
It appears to be slightly loo large and in the wrong position (should be slightly further up the body)
Compare :
http://www.hondawanderer.com/43056_Wellingborough_1985.htm (http://www.hondawanderer.com/43056_Wellingborough_1985.htm)
I find it hard to believe 43056 was repainted into the same livery, as later photos show it in INTERCITY livery (with a replacement nameplate)
If you look at the back of the power car, the lining is a little lower than the coach next to it. This coupled with the slight downturn in the white line at the front means there is no room for the yellow, The top drivers door handle and the sliding mechanism of the gaurds door are good reference points.
Early HST's did carry their unit number on the front end, even in blue/grey livery on eastern region. Although not all carried it, some had it on the front valance in place of the set number and others carried it above the yellow, under the windscreen. The practice continued on executive power cars too.
HTH
Mark
Quote from: scruff on December 26, 2011, 07:39:52 PM
If you look at the back of the power car, the lining is a little lower than the coach next to it
All Dapol coaches suffer this, my Mark 3B DVT is the same
Quote from: scruff on December 26, 2011, 07:39:52 PM
Early HST's did carry their unit number on the front end, even in blue/grey livery on eastern region
Agreed they carried the unit number, but only two power cars carried the unit number in this livery
This was then changed to the loco number when the power cars were reclassified as locos, during the changeover period no numbers appeared on the nose
As above, this loco carried both the number on its nose and the nameplate, earlier photos are no number and no nameplate
cheers for the replies.
i'm going to look closely through the 'heyday of the hst' book i've got. i think in there it mentioned some of the variations in terms of numbering on the nose, unit number etc. etc.
i think honestly it looks on from the side, i know the logo position is out slightly, but oh well...
i would consider getting a power car and dummy set in executive if the price was right.
tim
tim,
Regardless of the livery errors, I think you'll be happy with the Dapol HST, It is a superb model and it is very easy to overlook the livery errors, IMHO of course! Just check for excess glue on the windscreens though.
£104 at hattons on special offer at the moment if that helps persuade you! would you keep the mk3 coaches?
There is supposed to be an eastern region set out in june/july according to Dapol.
Mark
hi
yes i'm certainly happy with my swallow livery hst. just weighing up wheather to add an executive livery one as well! they could use the same coaches that way...
cheers
tim
Resurrecting an old thread here, but thinking of getting the blue/ grey version. I see a lot of negative posts/ feedback online. So what is the verdict? Yay or nay?
I have read that the DZ-125-IN decoder should work well.
Well,from me it would be a resounding yes because I have 3 of them.I have two early issue western region blue/greys and a Network Rail New Measurement Train.
I have converted one set to dcc sound myself using Loksound v4micro's.There is one in the powercar and another one in the dummy powercar.The dummy powercar has 2 CT sugarcube speakers and is for an n gauge model,really loud so I'm going to have to fit a second speaker in the guards section of the powercar.
Unlike others,I have had no problems with my three apart from the NMT blowing a diode on the pcb which means the red lights work but the white ones don't.This is no problem though as when I get around to fitting it with sound decoders,the pcb's are always removed.It also showed me how bad some of the Dapol models poor soldering,albeit their chinese manufacturing partners.
I really like my hst's,so its top marks to Dapol from me.They are very good indeed.
Pete
:Class31: :Class37: :NGaugersRule:
is it easy to fit a replacement diode for the lights :help:
To give an indication of my soldering ability, I am still learning soldering but can solder 0402 SMDs (I know I won't be soldering these to the HST)
Quote from: richie894 on November 14, 2013, 11:12:27 PM
Yay or nay?
Big YAY from me too :thumbsup:
Had my Intercity Swallow one from when they first came out, never had a problem, mine is fitted with TCS EUN651 chips but the DZ125 should work just as well :)
Paul
I had three, all three ended back at supplier for refunds with in three months! One smoked, two stopped dead no life in motors. All three were first releases, all were oiled with Dapol oil and ran in according to instructions. Things may have got better since, I don't know.
Maybe I was just unlucky but I've never bought another Dapol loco since the fourth loco, a class 58, stopped dead. Never had any problems with any of my Farish units.
Generally Yay.
There are some issues as seem always the case with Dapol stock:
- Coupling heights - there seems to be a coupling height issue between the power cars and the Mk3 coaches, and this can result in frequent uncoupling. I've yet to spend much time resolving this (so not sure whether it's the coaches or powercars that are to blame) as I generally run the troublesome sets with the powercar at the rear pushing.
- there can be a lot of drag on the dummy cars (and friction in the powercar drives) as there is a design issue meaning there is barely enought clearance (and sometimes no clearance) between the tops of the wheel flanges and the underside of the chassis - this can be resolved by filing or milling out the areas in question from the chassis base (it's a plastic part, so not that hard to do).
- the usual Dapol overheating motor issues can occur - my first set went back with a slow running overheating motor that got so hot that the chassis could not actually be picked up after a few laps. Subsequent sets have been fine
- if the lights don't work on the dummy car, check the PCB - I have a Virgin set that was completely missing the DCC socket on the PCB. Once one was soldered in things worked fine.
Generally the top speed isn't that high I've found, but fast enough once run in - it's a fairly good range such that slow speed performance is very good.
Asthetically it looks superb, and a leap above the previous generation Farish model, and a full set with light bars installed certainly turns heads!
Cheers,
Alan
I went ahead and ordered a blue/grey one from Hattons. I took someones advice and asked them to test it on their track and check for cosmetic issues before shipping.
A yay from me, but a word of caution.
I have 2 of them and they're fine, but a mate's Grand Central set has severe uncoupling issues, down to the height of the couplers. In some coaches they droop more than in others and the set has been a pain to get sorted & running well. We did figure it out, though, in the end but the coaches have had to be marked up so that he knows which way to put them on the track.
To be fair, this is probably quite easily fixable by modifying the couplings and as I said, mine haven't been a problem at all.
A yay from me also but they are a bit hit & miss, my swallow livery one runs lovely, smooth & quiet & had no problems with it, they also look superb! :claphappy: But I've recently bought a blue/grey version & it doesn't seem to run as well, it hesitates occasionally from cold until it warms up then it runs smoothly :hmmm:, It doesn't seem to get hot or make any nasty noises so I'm hoping it will improve a bit with time & a lot more running.
cheers, Stu. :)
I was a bit concerned about buying the Grand Central HST after reading up about ups and downs with Dapol.
However my set has run very well straight from the box, no issues at all :claphappy:
I would like them to release other coaches to make up a full set but I will just have to be patient for those :(
cheers John.
All 3 of mine, all first issue, have been great but not seen a lot of use.
Had missing cab door handrails on the executive power cars though.
Cheers
Mark
I can not say enough about Hattons customer service. I placed the order last night with a note to test before shipping. I received a call this morning on my cell phone in the USA from them in the UK. They said they had tested it and it runs good and there are no cosmetic issues. Also that it would be shipping within 48 hours. What great service.
Some photos for you ;)
(http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af197/mk1gtstu/DSC05136_zps537ee31a.jpg) (http://s1007.photobucket.com/user/mk1gtstu/media/DSC05136_zps537ee31a.jpg.html)
(http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af197/mk1gtstu/DSC05138_zps29b152d1.jpg) (http://s1007.photobucket.com/user/mk1gtstu/media/DSC05138_zps29b152d1.jpg.html)
(http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af197/mk1gtstu/DSC05141_zpsb903789c.jpg) (http://s1007.photobucket.com/user/mk1gtstu/media/DSC05141_zpsb903789c.jpg.html)
(http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af197/mk1gtstu/DSC05168_zpsbf4f94ba.jpg) (http://s1007.photobucket.com/user/mk1gtstu/media/DSC05168_zpsbf4f94ba.jpg.html)
(http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af197/mk1gtstu/DSC05178_zpse015bd5f.jpg) (http://s1007.photobucket.com/user/mk1gtstu/media/DSC05178_zpse015bd5f.jpg.html)
cheers, Stu. :)
Unbelievable how much better the Dapol model looks than my ancient Poole era farish. If they re-released the FGW liveried one, no question I'd buy one.
Quote from: Jameswgm on November 16, 2013, 10:31:53 AM
Unbelievable how much better the Dapol model looks than my ancient Poole era farish. If they re-released the FGW liveried one, no question I'd buy one.
You and me both, I have one FGW Dynamic Lines book set and would love at least one more, managed to buy 2 more coaches off of eBay but still need more for the full set. :'(
Quote from: whiteswan on November 16, 2013, 01:25:00 PM
Quote from: Jameswgm on November 16, 2013, 10:31:53 AM
Unbelievable how much better the Dapol model looks than my ancient Poole era farish. If they re-released the FGW liveried one, no question I'd buy one.
You and me both, I have one FGW Dynamic Lines book set and would love at least one more, managed to buy 2 more coaches off of eBay but still need more for the full set. :'(
Emailed them to enquire but they were very noncommittal about a future batch being manufactured. Dapol seem very half-hearted about producing coaches to accompany their booksets.
I need more coaches for my FGW set, really hope they get a move on...
Cheers, Timmo
I've got 6 blue/grey sets (I managed to buy 2 by accident) and haven't run them much but have been very happy with them. I'm still trying to decide whether to use Dapol or Farish coaches though. I don't want lights in them so that's not an issue and I have had the same issue as some others with sporadic uncoupling from the Dapol coaches.
Okay,
I've read through the thread and seen the reviews good and bad but in the end is it worth the £150 to buy this set considering I'm a novice when it comes to model railways and I just want the model to work out of the box without any heartache. Are the late versions better, specifically the blue/grey edition. I have the farish Poole DC version but would like a version that is DCC ready that I can chip when ready.
I see that most problems seem to be related to additional carriages, I suspect I will be using the carriages from the set only and no others.
Apologies for resurrecting an old thread.
Andy
As I already posted about my HST set here:
Quote from: scotsoft on November 15, 2013, 07:30:30 PM
I was a bit concerned about buying the Grand Central HST after reading up about ups and downs with Dapol.
However my set has run very well straight from the box, no issues at all :claphappy:
I would like them to release other coaches to make up a full set but I will just have to be patient for those :(
cheers John.
If you do decide to go ahead I would advise you to shop around as I managed to find my Grand Central set for £94 including postage ;)
cheers John.
Quote from: RizUK on January 07, 2014, 05:08:53 PM
Are the late versions better, specifically the blue/grey edition.
The design is no different - but I have two of the later Blue/Grey sets that have had no problems so far.
Regards,
Alan
I bought a FGW Dynamic Lines book set from Dapol at Warley, this has gone back under warranty as the power car underbody was bowed and the thing sat nose up. It has been fixed but now seems to be noisier. Like pape_timmo still waiting for the rest of the coaches to make a prototypical rake, they were promised for December 2013. I hope when they arrive they are faultless, as I am worried if I have to return one there will not be a replacement available. Dapol never seem to produce enough coaches to match the number of booksets.
Thanks for the responses. has anyone ran these on set track small radius points. I am planning a small layout hence only the two ends and two coaches but wanted to know if this would work pulling over small radius points and in some instances pushing over small radius points as i'm pretty sure its a single power car and a dummy.
Would appreciate if anyone had a small layout and a bookset could give it a try and let me know :-)
don't want to spend money on something that ain't gonna do the job.
my farish poole dual power car set (although DC and pretty sure not DCCable) seems to handle them ok although i've nothing pinned down this was just blue tacked to the table.
Andy
Quote from: Trainfish on December 08, 2013, 09:46:43 PM
I've got 6 blue/grey sets (I managed to buy 2 by accident) and haven't run them much but have been very happy with them. I'm still trying to decide whether to use Dapol or Farish coaches though. I don't want lights in them so that's not an issue and I have had the same issue as some others with sporadic uncoupling from the Dapol coaches.
Even without the lights the Dapol ones are far supirior in detail etc.
Thanks for the responses. has anyone ran these on set track small radius points. I am planning a small layout hence only the two ends and two coaches but wanted to know if this would work pulling over small radius points and in some instances pushing over small radius points as i'm pretty sure its a single power car and a dummy.
Would appreciate if anyone had a small layout and a bookset could give it a try and let me know :-)
don't want to spend money on something that ain't gonna do the job.
my farish poole dual power car set (although DC and pretty sure not DCCable) seems to handle them ok although i've nothing pinned down this was just blue tacked to the table.
Andy
At the moment I am running a FGW book set plus buffet(waiting for coaches), you are correct it is a single power car plus dummy.
I have a double oval and the cross over is two set track ST5 9" radius points, it negotiates this at speed in either direction without a problem.
The coaches unlike the GF ones are buffer less and the Rapido couplings can be changed for buckeye or nem bars as supplied by Etched Pixels or SpurNeun (Kupplestange) to eliminated the slop in the Rapidos.
As mentioned it is easy to fit lights to the coaches.
Geoff
Quote from: geoffc on January 08, 2014, 10:58:41 AM
The coaches unlike the GF ones are buffer less and the Rapido couplings can be changed for buckeye or nem bars as supplied by Etched Pixels or SpurNeun (Kupplestange) to eliminated the slop in the Rapidos.
Geoff
Nem Bars?
Quote from: GWR-Kris on January 08, 2014, 12:15:16 PM
Quote from: geoffc on January 08, 2014, 10:58:41 AM
The coaches unlike the GF ones are buffer less and the Rapido couplings can be changed for buckeye or nem bars as supplied by Etched Pixels or SpurNeun (Kupplestange) to eliminated the slop in the Rapidos.
Geoff
Nem Bars?
NEM bars are solid bars with a nem coupling shape on both ends and plug into the nem sockets to connect the two pieces of rolling stock together. If you go onto Shapeway on the web and inset nem bar in the search box you will see them.
Geoff
Quote from: geoffc on January 08, 2014, 01:41:25 PM
Quote from: GWR-Kris on January 08, 2014, 12:15:16 PM
Quote from: geoffc on January 08, 2014, 10:58:41 AM
The coaches unlike the GF ones are buffer less and the Rapido couplings can be changed for buckeye or nem bars as supplied by Etched Pixels or SpurNeun (Kupplestange) to eliminated the slop in the Rapidos.
Geoff
Nem Bars?
NEM bars are solid bars with a nem coupling shape on both ends and plug into the nem sockets to connect the two pieces of rolling stock together. If you go onto Shapeway on the web and inset nem bar in the search box you will see them.
Geoff
thanks for that. was looking on Etched pixels sight couldnt find them. deffo look alot better than std couplings. do like these also
http://www.shapeways.com/model/1581065/nem-coupler.html?li=search-results&materialId=25 (http://www.shapeways.com/model/1581065/nem-coupler.html?li=search-results&materialId=25)
Dunno if it is elsewhere but apparently the Blue/Grey Buffets are now on a ship (only 5 years after I pre-ordered them!). Might have my 8 coach ECML set running by my 39th birthday instead of the 35th they were supposed to be for.
Quote from: whiteswan on November 16, 2013, 01:25:00 PM
Quote from: Jameswgm on November 16, 2013, 10:31:53 AM
Unbelievable how much better the Dapol model looks than my ancient Poole era farish. If they re-released the FGW liveried one, no question I'd buy one.
You and me both, I have one FGW Dynamic Lines book set and would love at least one more, managed to buy 2 more coaches off of eBay but still need more for the full set. :'(
I've found images of FGW HSTs with only two centre carriages in passenger service on Google:
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=fgw+hst+image+hanborough+2009&tbm=isch&source=iu&imgil=z_TdWNPIXVidPM%253A%253Bhttps%253A%252F%252Fencrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com%252Fimages%253Fq%253Dtbn%253AANd9GcQhJllPvN-8QXwTkdrwUy6OYX57Gyh6a8M7Zv38X-F5PONVcw-k%253B180%253B125%253Bof_vbeC89VBafM%253Bhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.hondawanderer.com%25252FHST_1.htm&sa=X&ei=smjSUtqpBOSFyQPF24DwBw&ved=0CHAQ9QEwDA&biw=1093&bih=514#facrc=_&imgdii=_&imgrc=P_nZxKhqCf5GqM%253A%3Bof_vbeC89VBafM%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.hondawanderer.com%252F43042_Chilson_2008.jpg%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.hondawanderer.com%252FHST_1.htm%3B1230%3B877 (https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=fgw+hst+image+hanborough+2009&tbm=isch&source=iu&imgil=z_TdWNPIXVidPM%253A%253Bhttps%253A%252F%252Fencrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com%252Fimages%253Fq%253Dtbn%253AANd9GcQhJllPvN-8QXwTkdrwUy6OYX57Gyh6a8M7Zv38X-F5PONVcw-k%253B180%253B125%253Bof_vbeC89VBafM%253Bhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.hondawanderer.com%25252FHST_1.htm&sa=X&ei=smjSUtqpBOSFyQPF24DwBw&ved=0CHAQ9QEwDA&biw=1093&bih=514#facrc=_&imgdii=_&imgrc=P_nZxKhqCf5GqM%253A%3Bof_vbeC89VBafM%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.hondawanderer.com%252F43042_Chilson_2008.jpg%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.hondawanderer.com%252FHST_1.htm%3B1230%3B877)
Quote from: Sithlord75 on January 12, 2014, 01:23:22 AM
Dunno if it is elsewhere but apparently the Blue/Grey Buffets are now on a ship (only 5 years after I pre-ordered them!). Might have my 8 coach ECML set running by my 39th birthday instead of the 35th they were supposed to be for.
Thats good I'm still waiting for one of those, hopefully they have some swallow livery ones on the same ship as well :-\
cheers, Stu. :)
The Executive ones should be ready soon (cos I helped them with the livery). 8)
Quote from: captainelectra on January 12, 2014, 11:02:55 AM
The Executive ones should be ready soon (cos I helped them with the livery). 8)
:thankyousign: :NGaugersRule:
cheers, Stu. :)
I've found more images of short HSTs (not just FGW formations)
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=%22short+hst%22+images&tbm=isch&source=iu&imgil=wyzmsGgH7QmhkM%253A%253Bhttps%253A%252F%252Fencrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com%252Fimages%253Fq%253Dtbn%253AANd9GcS699eZvg-DRi4uu2vpZhenu2iTQkJaJX5rM4pm3bZm9i8LF8IsJQ%253B718%253B432%253BtWRVmTOL76I91M%253Bhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.rmweb.co.uk%25252Fcommunity%25252Findex.php%25253F%25252Ftopic%25252F55277-how-long-should-a-model-hst-rake-be%25252F&sa=X&ei=-nPSUtL-H6q3yQPmhYBA&ved=0CD8Q9QEwBw&biw=1093&bih=514#facrc=_&imgdii=_&imgrc=bLaPmEyZAduvbM%253A%3BJVy2JDewag_PxM%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.rmweb.co.uk%252Fforum%252Fuserpix%252F129_HST_Didcot_07_1.jpg%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.rmweb.co.uk%252Fforum%252Fviewtopic.php%253Ff%253D7%2526t%253D13942%3B700%3B467 (https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=%22short+hst%22+images&tbm=isch&source=iu&imgil=wyzmsGgH7QmhkM%253A%253Bhttps%253A%252F%252Fencrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com%252Fimages%253Fq%253Dtbn%253AANd9GcS699eZvg-DRi4uu2vpZhenu2iTQkJaJX5rM4pm3bZm9i8LF8IsJQ%253B718%253B432%253BtWRVmTOL76I91M%253Bhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.rmweb.co.uk%25252Fcommunity%25252Findex.php%25253F%25252Ftopic%25252F55277-how-long-should-a-model-hst-rake-be%25252F&sa=X&ei=-nPSUtL-H6q3yQPmhYBA&ved=0CD8Q9QEwBw&biw=1093&bih=514#facrc=_&imgdii=_&imgrc=bLaPmEyZAduvbM%253A%3BJVy2JDewag_PxM%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.rmweb.co.uk%252Fforum%252Fuserpix%252F129_HST_Didcot_07_1.jpg%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.rmweb.co.uk%252Fforum%252Fviewtopic.php%253Ff%253D7%2526t%253D13942%3B700%3B467)
Amongst other short HST formations present, there's a FGW 2+3 set at the top, and scrolling down the screen, below a HST Mk3 carriage with a blue/grey Mk1 FO, another FGW formation, but 2+1, is running under snowy conditions.
Plenty more FGW mk 3's due in soon by the looks of it!
http://dapol.co.uk/index.php?route=information/news&news_id=69#.UtLsqnkczS4 (http://dapol.co.uk/index.php?route=information/news&news_id=69#.UtLsqnkczS4)
Just waiting on a TGS to complete my 2+8 formation.
James.
Thanks for the feedback and help I am now the proud owner of a Dapol HST set in Blue/Grey which fits my Era 7 layout plan. Now I must get round to building the layout for it to run on.
:NGaugeForum: help !
5 FGW coaches, thats going to cost me a fortune!
Ordered 2 which arrived at Hattons today dunno about other 3 though
Had the same email from Hattons today, 2 coaches despatched :thumbsup: I think I read somewhere the rest are very close behind, :thumbsdown: also a pannier expected any day now, my poor bank account :'(
Emailed to say that my FGW coaches are being dispatched. I ordered an extra one to make up for the lack of a TGS.
When the TGS is produced, I can turn it into one of the Standard Mini Buffets, to give a bit of variety. I read elsewhere that Dapol have confirmed on Facebook that they will produce a TGS, which is very good news, but I can't wait that long to run my HST full-length.
I bought one of each yesterday from hattons and today model railways direct have sent me same two plus one each of the other three, poor credit card is caned especially as bought two dapol 66's this week, drs and colas twinset! Will hide the statement.
Just curious, anyone know why the Dapol HST sets (particularly the blue/grey editions), seem to sell for a fortune on ebay? A not quite perfect in the wrong box sold for £200 quid last night!!!!!
Quote from: RizUK on January 20, 2014, 08:55:06 PM
Just curious, anyone know why the Dapol HST sets (particularly the blue/grey editions), seem to sell for a fortune on ebay? A not quite perfect in the wrong box sold for £200 quid last night!!!!!
Supply and demand. You can not find them in the stores anymore.
I am not sure why Dapol doesn't just release more (especially the Swallow). Seems like they would sell a lot and hence make more $$$.
Dapol have been burnt in the past with overproduction. Its alot easiler to do a B release rather then do more in the first round that might not potentially sell. In terms of the FGW set im wondering if they were to sell out they could be a very simple respray which along with custom transfers could make it alot cheaper to do. Having said that, they did look better in Swallow colours.
Richard
I ain't complaining, its just I bought my ND122H set last week for £130 brand new from a model shop, I guess I was just lucky finding one.
I purchased my blue/grey WR HST in June 2011 when they first came out. Due to the daft way it was released I found it difficult to get additional coaches as they were released months earlier and most places were sold out. One day we might even get a buffet coach, although I'm not holding my breath!
Quote from: GrahamG on January 20, 2014, 09:47:41 PM
. One day we might even get a buffet coach, although I'm not holding my breath!
I think this is due imminently...
Cheers,
Alan
Quote from: RizUK on January 20, 2014, 09:16:17 PM
I ain't complaining, its just I bought my ND122H set last week for £130 brand new from a model shop, I guess I was just lucky finding one.
£130....ouch, that's steep! I got two for £85 and £90 each about 6 months back....
Cheers,
Alan
Dapol's FGW Mk3 releases: looking at Hattons, if the coaches are lettered e.g. FO 'G' and TSO 'E', I'm assuming there's only need to buy one of each and the others will be released under different letters?
OK, I've found 5 new released, so they combine with the already released buffet and 1st and 2nd that came with the bookset?
I ordered four FGW Dynamic Lines coaches and they arrived this morning from Model Railways Direct, they are:
2P-005-000 FO 41103 G (LA61 set)
2P-005-001 TSO 42083 E (OC55 set)
2P-005-330 TSO 42261 B (OC56 set)
2P-005-331 TSO 42280 E (LA11 set)
The two that came with the book set were:
FO 41132 G (OC37 set)
TSO 42073 D (LA spare)
So it looks as though you wont be able to make up a correctly lettered set, as they are randomly selected from real life HST sets and not one particular set.
Set numbers are courtesy of the ABrail web site
Geoff
According to the ones I received 2P-005-320, 2P-005-330 and 2P-005331 were without buffers, 2P-005-000 and 2P-005-001 don't have buffers but this is not sated on the box label ????
Mystery to me.
But I do now have one duplicated FGW Carriages 40210 Buffet N-216H and two of the new ones 2P-005-000 and 2P-005-001 so will unload them when there is a demand.
There is no coach C at all, which is a bit annoying. we still await the TGS too.
It would be nice to have one of the new mini-buffets as well, but that is probably to much to hope for. I may try making one out of an ordinary coach. Does anyone know the best paint match for FGW blue?
BArtercode;
FGW 'Barbie' Blue is available in the bus range marketed by Cherry Paints...C245...
Later;
Stu from EGDL
Quote from: geoffc on January 24, 2014, 04:51:59 PM
So it looks as though you wont be able to make up a correctly lettered set, as they are randomly selected from real life HST sets and not one particular set.
As I've missed out on the Dapol FGW Bookset, I'm sort of glad I haven't also missed out on an opportunity to pick up a fully lettered rake! Going to have to re-livery a Farish unit.