MemoriesI've been thinking of starting this thread for a while as I was/am completely unsure about the level of interest but here goes anyway.
The idea is partly inspired by the excellent tales from John
@Train Waiting on his inspirational Poppingham threadingham where he frequently waxes lyrical about trainsetty trainsets.
I'm sure that many of us had model railways or trainsets, call them as you will, as youngsters and I thought it might be an idea to share photographs of such layouts regardless of quality of modelling or the photographs themselves.
As a start, here are the only two photos of my loft layout which I/my Dad probably started in around 1964 and continued in use until I lost interest in about 1969 or so.
The layout was Hornby Dublo three rail which ran right around our loft. The locomotives I can recall were 7013 Bristol Castle, Standard 4 80054, 46232 Duchess of Montrose, 8F no 48158 plus an A4 and what is now a BR Class 20 diesel loco. There may well have been others.
Anyway, here are the VERY poor quality photographs probably from 1965 when I would have been 10/11 taken with a Box Brownie camera in poor light.
Note the thumb print which must have been on an original negative.
Note also the Airfix German fighter (possibly a Junkers?) hanging from the roof.
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The track laying, as you can see, was not all that it might have been but remarkably the trains ran well enough.
It's frightening to think that this was all some 60 years ago but I had great fun with that railway.
Hopefully this will encourage others to share their childhood modelling efforts.
Martin
What a splendid idea Martin
@port perran , I will see what I can dig up for a proper reply, In the meantime, the German aircraft looks like a Messerschmitt Bf 109 to me,
Tim
Deffo an Me 109
Tak-a-tak-a-tak :D
I didn't have a layout as such, Christmas 1939 saw a clockwork Hornby 0 gauge 0-4-0T, followed in 1940 with a Hornby electric Flying Scotsman, definitely not a scale model, a 4-4-2, in those days Hornby produced this 4-4-2 model in numerous liveries including a French company with either electric or clockwork motors, coaches also the same models in many liveries. As said no layout just bare track on the floor.
I also had a fairly big Meccano set.
I cannot be a 100% sure of the dates but my father built "our" first OO layout circa Xmas 1965, I would have been 7 and 1/2 years old. The layout was on a board about 6' by 3' and sat proudly on the dining room table to show my friends (even the poor old milk man got pulled in to see it). From memory, the layout was a simple oval with a passing loop or a siding , it had an aircraft runway painted in the middle and my father had built an Airfix Fairey "Swordfish" and 3 Gloster "Gladiators" to sit on it. Landscaping and buildings were initially minimal but some more Airfix kits were added. I am pretty sure there was a Triang Hornby Hall (Albert Hall) and a Castle (Caerphilly?) body that was occasionally swopped over on the Hall chassis and possibly a "Britannia". Rolling stock was sparse but friends often bought their stuff around. Sadly, I really cannot remember much more about it - except that it was a much loved plaything. The layout was transferred to my bedroom and mounted on a wall and could be folded away. This is the only photo I have.
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Was the black loco the Hall? Circa 1966/7, my father traded the lot in for N Gauge (Lima in the main) - most of it survives today on various dioramas after being dismantled a year or so later.
Tim
When I was aged about 7 or 8 I did have a small dining table top layout but it was very basic with twin ovals and a couple of sidings. My first loco was a Tri-ang Jinty as they worked Wolverton Works, followed very soon with an EM2 Co-Co electric 'Electra' which had working pantographs so Christmases and birthdays saw me collect the necessary catenary stuff. That way I could run the EM2 and the Jinty on the same track. I also had a Tri-ang Hymek along with some MK1 coaches and the GPO coach which collected the mailbag and then fired it into a lineside 'bin' (sometimes even hitting it). I dimly recall many wagons but exactly what has been lost in the mists of time.
No pictures survived the many house moves my parents made :(
Although my interest in real railways continued until about 1968, my interest in the models seemed to disappear quite quickly – maybe 1965. It was rekindled around 1973 when I started in N gauge.
This thread is awesome. :claphappy:
I never had a permanent layout. I grew up in trailer house and room in those is tight.
But, I did have this 0-27 set for under-the-tree and temporary fun.
I still have it, and she still runs like she's new. (Not my photo)
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I started with the Night Sleeper set - Princess Royal loco + 3 coaches. I added a class 37 in BR Blue, a red dock shunter, a "CKD"buffet coach and a couple of goods wagons.
I also had a "Battle Space search light wagon, and the one with a turret firing missiles.
I had too much scenery - loads of Airfix kits and a couple of Playcraft ones. My pride and joy was my ex-Hornby main line station with overall roof.
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Another blurry photo unfortunately. But this shows my first "Permanent" layout.
The loco is the cheaper version of the Tri-ang Princess, which was "Princess Victoria" in black with no representation of the Walschaerts valve gear. It came with 2 red and cream coaches, to which my uncle added a restaurant car.
My dad made up a couple of Airfix kits, some which might be discerned in the picture, including the footbridge and water tower.
We also had an original Tri-ang station set.
I later built up quite a big collection of mainly Tri-ang but also a few Dublo and Wrenn items, which I eventually sold to fund my first sortie into N Gauge.
The frame of this layout lives on underneath part of my N Gauge layout here on the other side of the World 65 years later!
I recognise all of the artifacts in that picture. In fact I had the same ones! :thumbsup:
I hope no-one minds, but I am going to add a second set of images to this thread.
In this case it isn't my own childhood layout, but my father's.
Here are 2 pictures of the railway he and my uncle had as children.
As far as I remember, he told me it was Gauge 1, of Bassett-Lowke brand, though perhaps could have been made by Bing in Germany (?) Locos were a Precursor 4-4-0 and a Precursor Tank.
The track ran along near the edge of the cliff at Icart Point, on the South Coast of Guernsey. These photos would have been taken in the 1930s.
I believe it was a part of a larger system which my grandfather had when they lived near Burton on Trent in England. They moved to Guernsey when my father was 7, in 1929.
Their house at Icart was demolished by the Germans during the Occupation in WW2, as it was in the firing line of an artillery battery. Little trace now remains. My wife and sister and I had a fossick around the undergrowth there looking for any traces of the house a couple of years ago.
I don't know what happened to the trains.
@TrainWaiting may be interested to see another railway enthusiast cat.
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Quote from: JulianO on March 28, 2026, 06:19:53 AMMy wife and sister and I had a fossick around the undergrowth there looking for any traces of the house a couple of years ago.
I got the gist of 'fossick' from your post but had to look it up to confirm as I'd never heard the term before.
Didn't cats seem big when you were that age? ;D
Quote from: Newportnobby on March 25, 2026, 10:26:15 PMWhen I was aged about 7 or 8 I did have a small dining table top layout but it was very basic with twin ovals and a couple of sidings. My first loco was a Tri-ang Jinty as they worked Wolverton Works, followed very soon with an EM2 Co-Co electric 'Electra' which had working pantographs so Christmases and birthdays saw me collect the necessary catenary stuff. That way I could run the EM2 and the Jinty on the same track. I also had a Tri-ang Hymek along with some MK1 coaches and the GPO coach which collected the mailbag and then fired it into a lineside 'bin' (sometimes even hitting it). I dimly recall many wagons but exactly what has been lost in the mists of time.
No pictures survived the many house moves my parents made :(
Although my interest in real railways continued until about 1968, my interest in the models seemed to disappear quite quickly – maybe 1965. It was rekindled around 1973 when I started in N gauge.
That's a shame the photos have not survived. Those silver gelatin glass plates are tricky to store.
Okay, the flashbacks are happening.
My early model railway experience was the obligatory 'O' tinplate. We had enough track for a oval & a siding. I can remember the builders doing our family extension winding up the loco for me & setting it off. That was 1973.
Then came my first trainset.
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All the rolling stock still exists. The loco still runs like a goodun & only lost the chimney once, which was repaired. That loco got an absolute beating from a small child & still runs like a dream.
I think I was around 4/5 when I got this on a wooden baseboard stored under my sisters bed.
Our family extension was built in 1973, with my father making provision for storage all down one side with a surface over the top for a 14' model railway on it complete with hinged cover.
One of these appeared at some point.
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Which was supplemented with real fine chain & occasionally got used to hoist wagons!
Of course we also had one of these at some point.
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I think I found it exciting because it had a working light!
Over the following decades my 'involvement' seemed less than my fathers. There came a Hornby Princess Elizabeth, with smoke & 'chuffing' sound made by a piece of emery paper on a flexible strip. That loco survived the best efforts of an enthusiastic youngster, surviving many 'track obstructions'. On many occasions it spent hours blasting at full tilt round a dogbone layout smoking like a goodun to the point that the extension had a 12" deep smoke haze at ceiling level prompting my mother to tell me to "either stop, or open the back door." She still runs well, & chuffs, but the smoke generator has finally burnt out. I'm staggered it lasted as long as it did!
Many other locos came. We even went through a Freighliner phase, complete with BR green '47. But it was always about steam, LMS steam, obviously.
Over the course of 45 years it finally, following a number of track alterations & additions, reached the point where my father declared "I think I've finally reached the point where I can't do any more to it."
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The radius 1 curves in the first photo are the original Hornby steel setrack curves. Unfortunately, as the layout hasn't been opened & used for a number of years, these have rusted badly thus rendering the layout inoperable without significant effort which my 89.5 yr old father struggles with, hence he now has a couple of smaller, table top scenarios.
That is my 'early', in very loose terms, journey in model railways.
A great potted history! Thanks for posting.
I like the little 009 bit tucked in the end!
Quote from: Bealman on March 28, 2026, 11:45:32 AMA great potted history! Thanks for posting.
I like the little 009 bit tucked in the end!
A few years ago the 009 got a new lease of life. Dad said he wished he'd got something to run them on as for 30+ years all it did was occasionally potter back & forth in the timber yard.
So I built him this...
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It's progressed somewhat since the last picture. It's fully ballasted & has a complete farm, crossing gates etc..
Oh, and the blighter now has my Double Fairlie on permanent loan!
This is a great thread!,
Emjaybee thats a wonderful layout, but I confess my eye was drawn to the wonderful wall of ephemera!
I'm afraid I don't have any pictures of my first railway. My Dad built it for me and it was N gauge, my little bedroom had room for it and my bed only. Dad built it high enough that we could hang my clothes under it and put everything else under there. It was a 3'x 3' double track loop,(in a 6'6"x6'6" room!). My first trainset was a Lima 31 and 2 coaches, unfortunately gone now, I know they were pretty rubbish but I did love that locomotive.
What's just as remarkable was that my Dad built it despite hating trains (something to do with being stuck in a train at Crewe for hours and hours when he was a squaddie!). It was my mum who got me into them as she used to holiday at an Uncle's who was a signalman at Pencoed crossing on the South Wales mainline and used to stay in his house in a room so close to the track you could almost touch the trains
Graham
Quote from: grumbeast on March 28, 2026, 02:43:03 PMThis is a great thread!,
Emjaybee thats a wonderful layout, but I confess my eye was drawn to the wonderful wall of ephemera!
I'm afraid I don't have any pictures of my first railway. My Dad built it for me and it was N gauge, my little bedroom had room for it and my bed only. Dad built it high enough that we could hang my clothes under it and put everything else under there. It was a 3'x 3' double track loop,(in a 6'6"x6'6" room!). My first trainset was a Lima 31 and 2 coaches, unfortunately gone now, I know they were pretty rubbish but I did love that locomotive.
What's just as remarkable was that my Dad built it despite hating trains (something to do with being stuck in a train at Crewe for hours and hours when he was a squaddie!). It was my mum who got me into them as she used to holiday at an Uncle's who was a signalman at Pencoed crossing on the South Wales mainline and used to stay in his house in a room so close to the track you could almost touch the trains
Graham
Ah, yes. The ephemera represents decades of family trips, Dad's work dealings etc., etc..
Here's a better view.
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The two crests that 'bookend' the collection are genuine decals. Discovered & liberated from the stores at Wolverton Works sometime in the '70s I think. They're mounted on genuine Crimson Lake LMS paint from the same source.
At some point in time I have to break it to the wife that they'll be coming our way. That will
NOT be up for discussion.
All Uber cool. :thumbsup:
I thought emjaybee's posts were great too, and that was an impressive OO Gauge railway.
He, and I am sure many others, will remember that the Tri-ang 0-4-0 of his first train set had a top speed of about a scale 200 mph. We had one, plus a diesel on the same chassis, and used to race them.
I do have some pics of my childhood layout somewhere, but given my current location I'm not able to look for them. Here, however are a couple of items from that layout from my albums, photo-bombing the B&CE.
Operating helicopter car (note that this model even pre-dates the Battlespace one):
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Triang yard crane comes to the rescue of a broken Poole Farish Flying Scotsman:
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Tried to make a layout in my early teens ('55ish) using a TTR set and a sheet of hardboard! Looking back this was probably the most complex way of starting in model railways.
The principle of running two locos on three rails was fine but the esthetics were horrid, only 0-4-0 tank locos and those Kato style track pieces but without any finesse. The double pick-up shoes must have been made of the softest steel as they would 'groove' within a few hours of use - perhaps deliberate to stop the rails wearing? Speed control seemed to be nothing or quite quick to avoid stalling and trying to match two locos was nigh impossible.
If you've tried to attach anything to hardboard the you'll know it's the least suitable material for a layout base. Attaching one section of track would invariably loosen a previous section!
Add to this my friend had a superb Hornby 00 set with detailed loco and coaches(possibly the green princess set) which made the TTR stock look very childish!
After that you wouldn't see me near MR stuff until my son wanted to try modelling, choosing Ashburton in 00 gauge about '83. From this I bought a few N items that eventually got used during covid lockdown about 2021.
Indeed, this is a great thread and something a bit different.
My first trainset was a Hornby clockwork set #21 which I obtained was I really was a child (5 or so). My set is long gone and probably well down in a rubbish heap somewhere in Cooma Australia, but here is the same set bought by me about 20 years ago in an attempt to relive my past. The locomotive number is 60985 which is a non existent number but which fits between the V2 and the B1 classes of locomotives.
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Next train set was an electric O Gauge train made by Maurlyn, an Australian manufacturer. I must have been about 7 when I got it. It looks to me like a class 38 NSWGR locomotive which I now have an N scale version of and which I showed on my Deadwood thread 6 months ago. Shown is a photo from the web as my set too is probably also buried under layers of rubbish in Cooma Tip. This is unfortunate as this set has become a collector's item.
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Next train that I obtained when I was about 8 was a Trix Twin passenger set OO gauge which featured a rather crude representation of a Hunt Class 4-4-0 locomotive, 'Pytchley' with two overly short maroon coaches. This is the TTR make referred to by
@Greygreaser in the previous post. The loco behind Pytchley is my fourth locomotive and is an even cruder representation of #30951 which in real life was a powerful 0-8-0 shunter, but which is represented by Trix as 0-4-0. :no:
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Next up was the acquisition of the Trix Britannia which was the first of a string of realistic Trix models. I'm now 11. This model was introduced in 1959 along with a few other similarly realistic locos such as the Class 5 behind it in the photo. At this point, my dad became interested and started to buy things and construct a scenic layout in the basement i.e. he was taking over. The Britannia was the last loco from my childhood that I could really claim as mine.
For some strange reason, Trix decided to go with a 3.8 mm/foot rather than the 4mm/foot of proper 00 gauge. Consequently the Trix locomotives and coaches appear significantly smaller than the Hornby Dublo and Triang offerings at the time. Note that H0 is 3.5 mm/foot so Trix chose a scale halfway between 00 and HO. The Trix locos and rolling stock had become fine looking models.
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Webbo
I don't want to completely hijack this thread, but Webbo's post brings me neatly to the last photo I was thinking of sharing.
This shows my father enjoying a smoke at the controls of a layout belonging to one of my uncles. I believe it is a TTR Trix layout, hence the connection to Webbo's post. The photo would have been taken in the mid to late 1950s.
This particular uncle had a large house, and later had a large Hornby Dublo 2-rail layout. He lived in England and we lived in Guernsey, and he was much older than my father and they weren't particularly close. We stayed with him and his wife for a week when I was eight, and after pestering all week I was finally allowed to have a quick look at part of the layout on the last day.
Some of the stock was shown many years later on an episode of "Cash in the Attic" on UK TV when his daughter was selling off surplus possessions.
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It is certainly a TTR layout. I recognise the 0-4-0 locomotive as well as the weltrol boiler wagon right behind it and the raised 3-rail bakelite track.
Webbo
I repeat: this thread is incredible!
:greatwork:
My godparents boys were all much older than me and when the last one left home in 1979, I was presented with a large cardboard box with Triang OO track, an old controller, lots of wagons, and the ubiquitous Dock Authority shunter, in black livery. I was about 10 at the time. Over time, and shortly after starting grammar school, the shunter was joined by a Triang Hymek and a Hornby 37 (37130), and some blue grey mk1s.
As my education progressed, Dad rewarded my report card scores with a Lima Cornish Riviera train pack, with a maroon Western (D1016) and chocolate & cream coaches, and later the InterCity train pack, with a blue Deltic (55006) and more blue & grey coaches.
It all developed from there on variations of an oval with sidings on an 8x4 sheet of chipboard from the local timber merchant.
Sadly, no photos survive, and all the stock is long gone, although by the time it was sold off (mostly by my ex), there were 4 Westerns, 2 Hymeks, 3 Warships, 2 Deltics, 2 40s, 3 Peaks, a 25, a 33 and a 58...
Quote from: emjaybee on March 28, 2026, 10:54:05 AMOkay, the flashbacks are happening.
My early model railway experience was the obligatory 'O' tinplate. We had enough track for a oval & a siding. I can remember the builders doing our family extension winding up the loco for me & setting it off. That was 1973.
Then came my first trainset.
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My first set too, but about 5 years earlier, with birthday presents over the next few years, some GWR carriages, a hall loco, plus a few other items created my first scenic layout 6ft by 3 ft.. loosely based on the station my grandfather worked at.. very loosely, in oo gauge that station is 32ft long!!!.
Sadly no photos..
Also Sadly when I went away to work my nephew's and nieces destroyed it,..
I still have the remains of the rolling stock..
Soon after I got my first N gauge rolling stock, but that was left at my parents while I moved again and disappeared..
I now have 2 N gauge layouts and an HOe layout under construction, having worked on club layouts in various places during my previous peripatetic life
I have been searching Sunnybank for a photograph taken in 1962 but to no avail.
Why the photograph, well it was of a three rail Duchess of Montrose hauling a 16t coal wagon around an oval of track, my second train set.
You may ask what's so special about that, well it was what was in the wagon, certainly not coal.
Sat in the wagon was a day old poult or chick if you prefer. This chick was part of a small consignment due to catch an early morning train.
My Dad at the time worked for a small hatchery in Luddenden Foot sat between the River Calder and the Rochdale Canal he had brought this box of chicks home on the bus, they were booked on a train from Mytholmroyd in the morning and my dad was to put them on the train on his way to work.
Interestingly Mytholmroyd was home to Thornbers chicks whom distributed chicks all over the country, they even had their own dedicated loading bay at the station.
Mind you it was some 12 years away from entering the world of N gauge.
No chicks were harmed during the writing of this post.
Quote from: Bealman on March 29, 2026, 06:28:40 AMI do have some pics of my childhood layout somewhere, but given my current location I'm not able to look for them. Here, however are a couple of items from that layout from my albums, photo-bombing the B&CE.
Operating helicopter car (note that this model even pre-dates the Battlespace one):
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/89/255-010420063756-899871157.jpeg)
Triang yard crane comes to the rescue of a broken Poole Farish Flying Scotsman:
Ah Tri-Ang "Battle Space", Who wouldn't love a turbo-car in N :D
My grandfather used to have the pre battlespace operating giraffe wagon. That was great - you set the trigger thingies up right so it would duck under bridges.
Quote from: emjaybee on March 28, 2026, 01:58:51 PMOh, and the blighter now has my Double Fairlie on permanent loan!
My kit built double OO9 fairlie is currently relegated to a shelf after one of the tiny pins in the motion broke. To small for me too see to repair these days alas.
Some other definite memories there - as a kid I had Nellie and Polly, and later on the black version of the dock shunter.
Did dabble a bit with OO9 but it never quite grabbed me, ditto NN3. I'll stick to real narrow gauge trainsets 8)
My memories are a bit vague but when I was 4 or 5 I got one of these
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at least I think it was. There was a definitely the car transporter and an 0-6-0 tank.
I promptly drove the loco off the kitchen table, so my dad swapped the couplings around.
He passed away a year later and I have no recollection of what became of the train set.
Regards,
John P
I got exactly the same set for Christmas when I was about 13 or 14. I pestered my parents like crazy for it. I wasn't at all interested in the car transporters - all I wanted was the Jinty with synchrosmoke!
What a brat!!!