Although I have already built the NGS kit rendering of this, I still wantee... hopefully there will be enough expressions of interest:
https://www.dapol.co.uk/blogs/news/n-gauge-gresley-full-brake-bg-announced
Are others interested?
Lets see,
Colin.
I've expressed an interest in a maroon and a blue BG and a blue/grey Buffet
I have put my name down for a crimson one and a maroon one.
Not sure about getting one yet.
In some respects, given there is a kit (though now nearly out of stock?) it'd be more interesting to me if they do the steel sided ones, though there were a number of variations in the details.
Martyn
Quote from: martyn on September 14, 2025, 10:32:37 AMNot sure about getting one yet.
In some respects, given there is a kit (though now nearly out of stock?) it'd be more interesting to me if they do the steel sided ones, though there were a number of variations in the details.
Martyn
Hi Martyn,
Take a look at Isinglass range.....
https://www.isinglass-models.co.uk/store/N-Gauge-kits-c171972101
If what you want does not show in N Gauge - refer to the 4mm range, then ask if what you want can be added to the N Gauge range....
Worked for me!
Phil H
Thanks, Phil.
Martyn
Quote from: Newportnobby on September 14, 2025, 09:01:24 AMI've expressed an interest in a maroon and a blue BG and a blue/grey Buffet
Same - the BGs are definitely need for those parcels trains, and I actually saw and travelled on the blue and grey Gresley Buffets when they were still in service.
I really hope Dapol receive enough interest for these.
What I can't tell from the drawings is whether they actually plan to do the correct 8ft bogies or just re-use the 8'6" ones. Although I guess the fact I can't tell from the CAD says it's a minor issue in N anyway.
Older ones had Fox bogies originally and then ex GNR 8ft Gresley single bolster bogies but avoiding that I suspect is just a case of picking the right prototypes.
Evidently these will only be available to order direct from Dapol so there'll be no retailer discount.
Quote from: Newportnobby on September 14, 2025, 12:56:24 PMEvidently these will only be available to order direct from Dapol so there'll be no retailer discount.
But if the price of £39.95 holds firm they are still cheaper than most recent Farish releases with 15% discount applied.
Quote from: Newportnobby on September 14, 2025, 09:01:24 AMI've expressed an interest in a maroon and a blue BG and a blue/grey Buffet
Ditto, even though I have already done some modelling and built one (back in 2011) :D
Bob
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I, too, have the NGS kit of the Gresley full brake painted crimson.
I have expressed interest in the following:
- Gresley full brake - maroon
- Gresley full brake - blue
- Gresley BR blue/grey buffet
Ian
Quote from: cmason on September 14, 2025, 06:48:35 AMAlthough I have already built the NGS kit rendering of this, I still wantee... hopefully there will be enough expressions of interest:
https://www.dapol.co.uk/blogs/news/n-gauge-gresley-full-brake-bg-announced
Are others interested?
Lets see,
Colin.
And my expressions of interest made are:
- Gresley full brake - teak x 2 ( one of each number )
- Gresley full brake - maroon
- Gresley BR blue/grey buffet
Colin.
I model Eras 4,5 & 6 so I have expressed interest in the Full Brake in Crimson, Maroon & Blue liveries.
Quote from: Kris on September 14, 2025, 09:40:17 AMI have put my name down for a crimson one and a maroon one.
Same BG options here, and also a Blue/Grey Eastern Region buffet, the latter is not from an era I model, it is just a prototype that interests me, given what survivors the buffets were and I would love to have one.
Let's hope both make the minimum quantities needed, a case of sharing the message far and wide.
Roy
Quote from: Newportnobby on September 14, 2025, 12:56:24 PMEvidently these will only be available to order direct from Dapol so there'll be no retailer discount.
Nope, they don't envisage order volumes being high enough to make it a mainstream model available through retailers, so the only way to order one is at this price via Dapol. Given the NGS BG kit was not far off £30 and you had to make it and the maroon Gresley buffets back when first released in 2008 (I think) were £35 (yes really!) I think the prices are fair personally.
Roy
I'm somewhat baffled as page 33 in the NGS Journal 5/25 calls us to pre order these coaches yet there's no facility to do so. Expressions of interest only are being sought ???
AT TINGS Dapol very explicitly said they were seeking expressions of interest only, not orders and no cash up front is being asked for. The models will only proceed if sufficient interest is shown.
Roy
You know that, Roy. I know that, too.
Their ad in the Journal is incorrect in stating to Pre Order
Even though I built one in maroon, I want another, and 2 in carmine
Regards,
Alex
GREAT NEWS.
The Gresley Full Brake is at 73% of pre-orders needed to progress, and the Gresley RB Buffet is at 100%.
Even better news. The rebuilt RB is going to be done in BR Maroon as well as blue grey.
I received an email from Dapol this afternoon. It says:
It is coming up to three weeks since we launched the N Gauge Gresley Full Brake and Refurbished Buffet project at TINGS 2025 and invited you to express your interest in the various models available. This is our first progress report for those who have shown interest in one or more of the models. We sincerely thank each of you for your valuable feedback. We have an important detail change and an exciting new development to share.
Detail Change: Thanks to feedback from a member of the public, the running number for 2P-011-405 will be revised from E70146E to E70459E. This new running number aligns more accurately with our tooling than the original coach selection.
New Livery: Due to popular demand, we will now also be offering the refurbished Gresley Buffet in BR Maroon, with two running numbers available E9118E & S9127E.
We invite expressions of interest in this new livery, as well as all the previously available options. If you have already expressed interest in the earlier models and would like to secure this additional project, please submit a new expression of interest for this late addition and enter zero for the other models. This will help avoid any duplication of interest for a specific product code.
Project Update: We are getting very close to being able to push the button on this project and get it into the tooling shop.
If you would like to express your interest in either of the two new maroon coaches please hit the button below to take you to the expression of interest page.
https://www.dapol.co.uk/pages/expression-of-interest-for-gresley-project?
2P-011-501 - Gresley Coach BR Blue/Grey Buffet W9135E. Last one in service, to 1976. Paddington to Bristol, Hereford, Plymouth routes. Preserved at NRM. See https://www.flickr.com/photos/robertcwp/5264054255
2P-011-502 - Gresley Coach BR Blue/Grey Buffet E9115E. These were seen all over, from East Anglia and the ECML to Derby, North Wales/Chester, Manchester and Glasgow.
2P-011-503 - Gresley Coach BR Maroon Buffet E9118E. These were often the only maroon coach in an otherwise blue-grey rake on the ECML, through to 1970 (at least).
2P-011-504 - Gresley Coach BR Maroon Buffet S9127E. One of six used on SR boat trains (and other steam/diesel hauled trains) 1966-1968 to replace Mk 1 RBs which were being converted to buffets for the 4-REP EMUs. See https://www.flickr.com/photos/robertcwp/48158148576
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That's a good news Friday :claphappy:
It is, indeed, good news but there seems to be a duplication of item 2P-011-503 :hmmm:
Quote from: Newportnobby on October 03, 2025, 04:09:08 PMIt is, indeed, good news but there seems to be a duplication of item 2P-011-503 :hmmm:
Just a cut and paste error on my part. Everything below the Dapol link I have added to help people see what a great choice of coach this is. They were seen on every region (and they were never painted SR green).
Bob
PS You need one, Mick! Get a maroon one for an inter-regional rake!
I have 9 carmine & cream Gresleys inc buffet 2P-011-351, and 7 maroon Gresleys inc buffet 2P-011-373 all with E prefix (on the basis they ran 'proper' trains across the Varsity Line) so for the refurbished one, yes, I'll be going for the W prefix version
Quote from: Newportnobby on October 03, 2025, 04:32:49 PMI have 9 carmine & cream Gresleys inc buffet 2P-011-351, and 7 maroon Gresleys inc buffet 2P-011-373 all with E prefix (on the basis they ran 'proper' trains across the Varsity Line) so for the refurbished one, yes, I'll be going for the W prefix version
OMG Mick, that's in Blue/Grey. have you lost your marble? You'll be buying Blue/grey Mk 1s and Westerns next.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/justinfoulger/49713280848
https://www.flickr.com/photos/robertcwp/15749276346
https://www.flickr.com/photos/55063081@N08/22972944700
https://www.flickr.com/photos/suthensofty/8454621882
He he he
You're behind the times, Bob :telloff:
(https://live.staticflickr.com/31337/53692417006_c57792a83e_m.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2pNBEXG)Class 52 Western Duke with train on Heatherley (https://flic.kr/p/2pNBEXG) by Mick Hollyoake (https://www.flickr.com/photos/182878845@N04/), on Flickr
Woah! I need to sit down. :o
I've put a photo of, I think, E9115E at Liverpool street in another thread on the Forum.
It's in the gallery, but I can try and re post it if anyone is interested. Date is uncertain, but probably mid 70s? It was taken on a 35mm camera which I didn't get until late 1974, so it's after that.
Marty
Was the refurbished Buffet a combination brake/buffet? :dunce:
Quote from: martyn on October 03, 2025, 05:34:23 PMI've put a photo of, I think, E9115E at Liverpool street in another thread on the Forum.
This thread has more information (including Martyn's photo) and some good links to ex-LNER buffet cars:
https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=54319.msg717630#msg717630
Ian
Slightly surprised that the BG is only at 73% but then I guess we don't know how many they need to produce v's the Buffet.
I am not going to add to my orders for either, even noting that the buffet is now also available in BR Maroon (I have two of the existing ones in that livery that correctly represent the steam era) for some obscure "Rule 1" :hmmm: reason it is the blue-grey one I am after just because it was such a survivor...
Quote from: Newportnobby on October 03, 2025, 05:37:16 PMWas the refurbished Buffet a combination brake/buffet? :dunce:
Nope. They just did away with a lot of window glass behind the counter so they could do more British Rail sandwiches and toasties, and stack stuff in cupboards along the back of the buffet bar. More like a typical BR Mk 1 buffet layout. The roof vents were added to and improved too. One side (the public side of the coach) didn't change apart from white out of the last two windows. I would imagine that Dapol would reuse the internal layout moulding, because I don't think the seating changed much at all.
Thanks. It's just that in the pic by robertcwp in your reply #24 the buffet is, unusually, the last coach in the train and looks somewhat like a brake. Having said that, the train could well have been split at Reading making it the last coach in the rake
I've just been chatting with Adam at Dapol
@Adam1701D and the buffet roofs are remaining as per the original moulding. The modified buffet roofs differ a little between buffet cars but basically there were larger vents fitted over the passenger seating area and additional vents added to the counter end of the buffet car.
I don't think this is going to stop anyone from getting a model though.
When I did my modification to the original model in 2011 I simply added some plasticard shapes that looked a bit like vents, and brush painted the roof.
You can see what is involved in the entire modification process in this old RM article from 2005.
HTH
Bob
I have expressed interest in one of each livery for both the full brake and the buffet. I'm going to be going bankrupt if they all come out at once!
Quote from: Bob G on October 04, 2025, 12:42:33 PMI've just been chatting with Adam at Dapol @Adam1701D and the buffet roofs are remaining as per the original moulding. The modified buffet roofs differ a little between buffet cars but basically there were larger vents fitted over the passenger seating area and additional vents added to the counter end of the buffet car.
I don't think this is going to stop anyone from getting a model though.
When I did my modification to the original model in 2011 I simply added some plasticard shapes that looked a bit like vents, and brush painted the roof.
You can see what is involved in the entire modification process in this old RM article from 2005.
HTH
Bob
Quite a significant difference in the roof vent layout on the modified coaches and while I do understand why, for what is perceived as a model that is a bit "niche" with a limited market, the cost of tooling a new roof isn't considered viable, it is still a bit of a shame. However it won't put me off buying one and like you say
@Bob G probably won't the vast majority of people either.
Roy
Going ahead...
https://www.dapol.co.uk/blogs/news/n-gauge-gresley-full-brake-bg-refurbished-buffet-update-2-0
Yeehah! :claphappy:
I'm in for 2 brakes and 1 buffet as soon as we can pre order
Dapol have obviously been listening and taking note from "The Crowd Funding People" taking expressions of interest forward in a pragmatic manner by a major manufacturer obviously take a leap of faith.
I do hope this works out well and we all get the models and livery we request.
Perhaps this is the start of something new and we can perhaps look forward to some other future "experiments" in securing interest in less well known or mainstream models.
Well done DAPOL.
GE
Looks like they are going ahead with the project and we should have some EPs to look at before Christmas! :claphappy:
what year did the blue / grey buffet last run in revenue service? i know probably mid 70s - just wondered about the exact date (and service).
also what year did this style of gresley wooden body full brake stay in use on parcels and mail?
well done dapol on producing these items!
I have only researched the rebuilt Buffets, but here goes:
E9115E was seen in maroon at Kings Cross in an otherwise blue grey rake in 1970.
S9117E was seen in maroon at Exeter Central in a mixed rake of blue grey, maroon and green in 1968.
E9115E was seen in blue grey at Peterborough in 1976.
E9123E was seen in blue grey at Newcastle in 1968.
E9124E was seen withdrawn in blue grey at Loughborough (GCR) in 1976.
E9128E was seen in blue grey at Leeds and Glasgow in 1975.
E9131E was seen in blue grey at Manchester in 1976.
E9135E was seen in blue grey at Stevenage in 1967.
E9135E was seen in blue grey at Bristol TM in 1970.
E9135E was seen in blue grey at Exeter and Reading in 1975.
E9135E was seen in blue grey at Paddington, Exeter, and Plymouth in 1976.
E9135E was seen in blue grey at York in March 1977, en route to preservation.
E9135E was the last surviving Gresley Buffet in revenue use, withdrawn in February 1977.
They ran on the Southern on boat trains to Southampton and Weymouth, and latterly on Waterloo-Exeter services, in maroon livery, ca. 1966-68. They were brought over from the eastern region to replace Mk 1 RBs on Boat Trains which had been taken out of service to be converted to 4-REP buffets for the Bournemouth electrification (1967).
They ran on the Midland and Eastern in blue-grey through to 1976, and on the Western, E9135E survived until 1977.
HTH
Bob