Came out today at 9 30
Further Panniers
Further 47s
VGA vans
Super BG (old tooling)
Bit of Scenecraft
Nothing from EFE this time
Half thought the pannier might get sound after successfully squeezing it into the 08 but no. 47s in Scotrail, intercity and RFD and the promise of more 47s in the year ahead.
So not the biggest announcement but not the smallest either. My preference was a blue 47 but happy with Scotrail too (and pre-ordered) the RFD one looks very much like one that would have run with the Revolution covered car 5 wagon sets but no expert. Equally not sure which version of Intercity livery it is
Rob
It's Intercity swallow. That was desperately needed. They not done one since the Poole-era "Fire Fly". However they've chosen a slightly odd prototype I've read, one which had different lights at each end, and actually only wore the livery from 1996 to 2000.
The three 47s look awesome though, not for me, but I'm really pleased they're out. As said, the RfD one is a great match for the Cartics.
A very tempting line-up of Duffs. Scotrail 47/7s have been impossible to find for ages, so this will go down very nicely.
Over the moon that Swallow is finally being offered.
I have been personally asking Bachmann for this for the last three years or so (ever since the MK2s arrived).
Absolutely ordered one.
The RFD one is a case of "if I had the money", being a nice companion for my 47306. Having just started a project to have a rake of Rover Cubes, a pair of RFD locos would be ideal I suppose.
Quote from: njee20 on February 05, 2025, 05:09:30 PMIt's Intercity swallow. That was desperately needed. They not done one since the Poole-era "Fire Fly". However they've chosen a slightly odd prototype I've read, one which had different lights at each end, and actually only wore the livery from 1996 to 2000.
The three 47s look awesome though, not for me, but I'm really pleased they're out. As said, the RfD one is a great match for the Cartics.
If that is the case I will add this to my list of re-number projects. What a wierd choice!
Skyline2uk
Nothing I will rush to pre-order, but the 64xx Panniers was a safe bet given the recent release of more Hawksworth auto-trailers and they are beautiful little locos. I would expect that the reasons not upgraded to sound are (1) cost of even a partial retool and (2) far less internal volume to play with than the 08.
I strongly suspect we will see Castles in a further quarterly release during 2025 as there has thus far only been a single production run and that was some years ago, Hawksworth coaches already available in the Farish range to go with them. It is another lovely model and up to date in terms of spec.
The 47s that have been announced have gone down well it seems. I feel sure we will see green and blue ones at some point. It is worth remembering that often Bachmann can be a bit tactical with their release schedule, leaving the most popular liveries until later to focus purchases on the slightly less so, as they know people will still buy green and blue variants as well as rather than instead of others which wouldn't happen the other way round.
I wonder if we might see a further run of the superb 8F in due course too.
Roy
Most 47s in the 1990s onwards had different lights at each end, this isn't specific to 849. I think it was opaque lights at the number 1 end.
It's because there was equipment added in this area at one end, reducing the available space and ending up with the flat looking opaque black rimmed lenses one end and the clear lenses the other.
Later the locos went to have the other, more 3D style at both ends. I don't know what changed over time to allow this
Jo
Interesting, thanks Jo! Freely admit I'm just repeating what I'd read, so good to understand context. :thumbsup:
Would be good if Bachmann shrunk the newly announced Bulleid BCKs down to N, sure there is a ready market for them.
Still no Southern 4-6-0, nor any other SR items.
Thanks for raising the happy thought of a Bachmann Farish Bulleid BCK!
As there were two different diagrams, which one would be more likely to be be produced, Dia.2405 (nos.6700-6812, or Dia.2406 (nos.6713-6752)? Diagram 2405 had the lavatory at the opposite end of the coach to the guard's and van section, whereas Diagram 2406 had the lavatory positioned midway along the length of the coach between the first class and third/second class accommodation.
The Diagram 2405 vehicles were paired with a Diagram 2123 BSK to form two-car sets (Sets 'R', nos. 63-75) in 1948, and were allocated to Waterloo-West of England services for their entire lives; the last of them (Sets 63, 72, and 73) were withdrawn in December 1967, by which time Bulleid coaches were being withdrawn, and, after the Western Region had taken over the Southern's route to Exeter west of Salisbury, the Waterloo services were terminated at Exeter Central, there was no work for them west of Exeter.
The Diagram 2406 BCKs were all "loose"vehicles (i.e. not allocated to any specific Set). In fact the "Atlantic Coast Express" in its heyday in the 1950s was composed of a very high proportion of these vehicles. Remember that a BCK is a complete train in its own right, having both classes of accommodation and a guard's and a van section. These 40 BCKs were designed for working as through coaches, connecting the various branches off the West of England main line with Waterloo.
So, which version of the Bulleid BCK would we wish to see a an R-T-R model?
Personally, I would prefer the Dia.2405 vehicle, in order to make up a two-car 'R' Set. It could also be a good marketing ploy for Farish to issue the vehicle paired as a two coach set with their existing Dia.2123 semi-open brake third/second, (the most numerous of all Bulleid's coaches). It was not uncommon for a Waterloo-Padstow express to wander into Padstow behind a "West Country" pacific with just one of these Sets 'R' in tow. (As an aside, the North Cornwall Line between Okehampton and Padstow banned the use of the Rebuilt "West Country" and "Battle of Britain" pacifics as they exceeded the line's weight limit, being 4 tons heavier than the original air-smoothed engines.)
By the way, for all those who do not model the Southern Region, but rather like the idea of running a Set of Bulleid coaches on inter-regional trains - Bulleid coaches were banned from working off the Southern Region on such services until 1954, which explains why we see more often photos of Maunsell and BR Mk.1 stock on these services.
Quote from: Cols on February 06, 2025, 01:06:44 PMThanks for raising the happy thought of a Bachmann Farish Bulleid BCK!
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So, which version of the Bulleid BCK would we wish to see a an R-T-R model?
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Personally, I would prefer the Dia.2405 vehicle, in order to make up a two-car 'R' Set.
The Bachmann OO gauge models are a diag. 2406 BCK and a diag. 2017 TO so I suspect you'll be disappointed is they do get shrunk....
Quote from: Dorsetmike on February 06, 2025, 12:22:24 PMStill no Southern 4-6-0, nor any other SR items.
Nor anything pre-grouping, LNER, LMS, pre-TOPS blue or current privatisation. Nothing multiple unit or passenger coach shaped either.
Not much announced this time around for anyone, but with summer, autumn and winter releases there's still plenty of time for wallet emptying.
Thanks for the disappointment, Steven B! I still have my fingers crossed for a Dia.2405 BCK, but the ensuing long-term cramp is painful!
However, I would welcome the Dia.2406 BCK and the Dia.2017 TO/SO as these were Loose vehicles and can be used as the strengthening stock for main line expresses, as well as using the Dia.2406 BCK on a rural branch as a through coach. Note that Southern's practice was to place any required strengthening passenger coaches immediately behind the engine, and not within the existing Sets that would make up the main train - as far as I know.
Quote from: Roy L S on February 05, 2025, 06:24:23 PMI strongly suspect we will see Castles in a further quarterly release during 2025 as there has thus far only been a single production run and that was some years ago.
I wonder if we might see a further run of the superb 8F in due course too.
Both would be welcome. There are a good few other items in the Farish range which I don't recall having seen for a while either, and could be due for a re-run.
Duchess
Merchant Navy
WD Austerity
Prototype Deltic
Blue Pullman
Stanier coaches (esp. crimson & cream)
BR horsebox
Presflo
Plenty to be going on with there. Can anybody think of any others?
PW
Nothing for me in this release. Not that I "need" much. I may be tempted by the revamped V2 (BR Black) when it arrives. And sell my original release. At a pinch a new Compound would not be unwelcome, along with common Scottish goodies like the J36 and Glen (D34). But what would excite me for my multi era Scottish interests would be a Craven DMU in green. I suggested it to REvolution, given these units were quite widespread. But they politely declined. They are reasonably not (yet?) interested in developing a 57ft underframe, and felt it would be easier for Farish given they have made a 101 and 108. And don't start me on the Sad Eyes, ie Class 21 and 29. I would have those in green and blue!
Quote from: Portpatrick on February 06, 2025, 03:29:07 PMNothing for me in this release. Not that I "need" much. I may be tempted by the revamped V2 (BR Black) when it arrives. And sell my original release. At a pinch a new Compound would not be unwelcome, along with common Scottish goodies like the J36 and Glen (D34). But what would excite me for my multi era Scottish interests would be a Craven DMU in green. I suggested it to REvolution, given these units were quite widespread. But they politely declined. They are reasonably not (yet?) interested in developing a 57ft underframe, and felt it would be easier for Farish given they have made a 101 and 108. And don't start me on the Sad Eyes, ie Class 21 and 29. I would have those in green and blue!
You are not alone in hoping Revolution return to the 21/29 at some point.
Isn't it Model Rail Scotland in few weeks? What a great place to announce but don't let me deflect the farish thread.
Much as I would love a 21/29, I think Revolution Trains probably have enough on their plate with the delivery of existing projects.
Quote from: PennineWagons on February 06, 2025, 01:56:50 PMPlenty to be going on with there. Can anybody think of any others?
PW
LNER
A1
A2
B1
BR Standard
4MT 2-6-4T (especially adding preserved 80135 in this run, possibly a club special)
4MT 2-6-0 (but would love a 4-6-0 75XXX version)
Diesels
25
37 (original Blue & Green)
55 Production Deltic
I don't have a wish list, but Farish still have the Crab (and LMS 4-4-0 in various guises) to update from the Poole era, which I think they said would happen with all the former Poole range.
The Crab would be useful to many, I suspect.
Martyn
Quote from: Roy L S on February 06, 2025, 04:51:50 PMMuch as I would love a 21/29, I think Revolution Trains probably have enough on their plate with the delivery of existing projects.
Yeah it's a fair point but, bar one or two models such as the 120, the pulmans and the iron ore hoppers, where they've been open about the research challenges much of the n gauge stuff is at livery sample or beyond per their project overview and Revolution aren't just Ben and Mike anymore.
Anyway, I digress from Farish again but that pop into Revolution's site made me think. How good would class 37 or 47 bespoke be? I know, an academic thought, never going to fit the Bachmann operating model.
The sheer number of permutations on either class is enough to give you a stroke!
I think any manufacturer offering such a thing would have to just be a free-for-all, rather than only allowing (and therefore cataloguing) all permissible permutations. A life's work if ever there were one...
So glad to see the 47/8s, those will go nicely with the mk2f and mk3 drags.
Would liked to have seen an intercity class 37 to go with the charter mk1s, plus a charter FK (for now a roof respray) and an RBR to complete the rake.
The one I thought we would have seen is the missing Mk2f RFB in Virgin Trains.
IC
Hi all,
I think 47555 in RfD Euro livery is a great choice.
As others have said, 47s in that livery certainly worked a variety of car trains:
With Cartic-4s in MAT blue and STVA grey, 1999: https://flic.kr/p/D9q3XN
With IPA twin car flats (front four sets) in STVA grey, 1998: https://flic.kr/p/2o6LXjR
With IZA twin vans and (near the back) JSA telescopic hood steel carrier, 1998: https://flic.kr/p/2mjXYLz
With Silcock Express Cartic-4s, with and without roofs: https://flic.kr/p/ea8L3W
Double heading on Rover Cubes: https://flic.kr/p/29AUEW5
cheers
Ben A.
when are the new class 47s due to arrive?
i think i will buy the swallow 47/8 and get it renumbered and weathered.
the rfd loco is tempting but i think i will have to show restraint or wait for a sale!
there are many other liveries i would like as well so looking forward to more announcements.
tim
Everything announced this week should be in the shops within the next three months.
Wow, we are finally getting an IC Swallow new tool 47/8 :claphappy: Thank you very much Farish. This will certainly save me a job converting / respraying a couple of my models that I've had planned for years! Happy to put a 849 model straight onto my XC rake and run, but of course, a little weathering will added at some point, but what about a second or maybe a 3rd 47/8 added to my fleet?
47s are a minefield when it comes to detail differences and I'm sure Farish know this hence why we don't have a massive amount of livery's available. Be careful if you think 849 is going to offer a large scope for renumbering. If, like me you like to study the porotype and detail differences before taking on a renumbering / respray project, from a quick flick through my notes, in theory 849 cannot be renumbered, unless you want to get the carving knife and filler out...
Detail notes 47849;
Square boiler port
Cab mounted EHT stowage sockets
Opaque marker lights No.1 end, glass lens No.2 end
Cut away cabs
There are no other 47/8s with this exact detail arrangement, however if you wanted to model another cab mounted ETH 47/8 you do have 822, 832, 844 & 847, but these had a round boiler port, so the square boiler port plate would have to be removed from the 849 shell and the roof resprayed. They do however have the same marker light arrangement, cut away cabs & long range fuel tanks. Of course, if you want to model say 47840, then the holes for the ETH socket would need to be filled and repainted and that's it, as 840 had a square boiler port. Same goes for quite a few others, except for the ones with flush fronts at one end or in 853s case, both ends.
RFD Euro 47555. The upper 'Slate Grey' is to light, just like Dapol's 86622, however it has been mentioned by Mr Proudman that this will be rectified prior to release. I really hope so, as they have their 4mm model spot on. I do have a Dapol 86622 in RFD Euro, and as lovely as it is, the upper grey will be resprayed to the correct darker shade when time allows. My early RFD 86s will get the same treatment on the lower rail grey too...
As for 555, yes, it nice to finally have an RFD Euro 47 back in the catalogue, but I wish they would have offered the more common 47/0 or 47/3 in RFD Euro rather than just being lazy in my opinion and offering 555. No scope for renumbering what so ever on this model, unless you want to change the battery boxes for original full tanks (available as spares) and renumber it to 525 (RFD's only other 47/4 in RFD Euro)
A blue roof 47/0 or 47/3 would have gone down a storm, but hey ho, just my thoughts.
Cheers
Anthony
Quote from: Roy L S on February 06, 2025, 04:51:50 PMMuch as I would love a 21/29, I think Revolution Trains probably have enough on their plate with the delivery of existing projects.
I am sure you are right Roy. I hope I am able to be active in the hobby long enough to be able to buy and make good use of a green and a blue Swindon 120
Quote from: bluedepot on February 07, 2025, 09:46:10 AMwhen are the new class 47s due to arrive?
July/August according to Bachmann's website
https://www.bachmann.co.uk/category/model-railway/graham-farish/diesel-locomotives?page=2
Retooled Crab and 94xx pannier
Another run of the C class in SECR livery
Std 4MT 4-6-0
Any of the diseasels prototypes maybe ex EFE, preferably Kestrel or Falcon but a Lion would be very striking
Quote from: Newportnobby on February 07, 2025, 01:40:03 PMRetooled Crab and 94xx pannier
Another run of the C class in SECR livery
Std 4MT 4-6-0
Any of the diseasels prototypes maybe ex EFE, preferably Kestrel or Falcon but a Lion would be very striking
But Mick
@Newportnobby, you and I already have a Falcon in WR guise (in fact I have both the green one and the blue one, but you could have already guessed that).
Kestrel is hideous, and like DP2 I don't need one. Lion ran on the Western for a bit through Oxford, so I can understand you wanting one.... But that one doesn't even have alternative liveries. At least with the Warships and Twins, we get lots of liveries.
I think they were all made by Heljan in OO, so little chance of shared CAD development costs either.
More likely a class 15 (which did get to the southern on London trip workings) before the Baby Deltic gets done.
I saw the OO fraternity saying they have got all the diesel classes apart from the 01 shunter and some of the 25kV electric locos. Well they are missing an 04 at the moment, and lots of the earlier small number shunters as well, so we are doing almost as well (LOL). I mean, we only need 01, 02, 05, 06, 07, 09, 10, 11, 12, 13, 15, 16, 21/29, 23, 25/3, 43, Kestrel, Falcon, Lion, 70 (original), 71, 74, 76, 77, 81-85..... need I go on?
Bob
I don't have a Falcon, Bob :no:
Quote from: Newportnobby on February 07, 2025, 03:40:00 PMI don't have a Falcon, Bob :no:
I could have sworn you did. Never mind. They look very nice in green. I think they call it Envy Green :D
Bob
Nothing there for me as I already have 5 64xx panniers, so after the Newton Chambers car carriers and the vanwides my wallet is having a rest. having said that I suppose the Rapido iron minks can't be too far away....
Regards,
Alex
Generally nothing of interest for me, only really want locos (Southern specifically) or potential chassis to make my own.
Top of my list would be a new loco driven 4-4-0
New Std 4MT 2-6-0
along with it in 4-6-0
Any retooled engines from the Poole era would also be of interest as long as I can use them for something else.
So to be positive what might I most welcome from Farish , or Dapol if they were so minded. I would buy the Craven DMU in green and blue given Revolution's comment to me that Farish already have a good basis for another 57 ft unit. They were widely used so not so niche to my Scottish interests as a Class 100 DMU, J36 or Glen, the Sad Eyes 21 and 29. And since they have totally revamped other items from Poole days, the Crab and 25/3 was also widely used across LMS territory - including Scotland!
With reference to the forthcoming Bachmann/Farish Class 47s - it would be rather nice to see a model of one of the Stratford-based Class 47 locos that carried the silver roofs and the very large Union Flag at the time of the Silver Jubilee in 1977.
[I'm firmly a Western Region / Southern Region modeller (North Cornwall 1959-63), but could be tempted by one one of those Stratford 47s...]
Oh.
More Panniers...
:sleep:
Quote from: Cols on March 05, 2025, 01:26:27 PMWith reference to the forthcoming Bachmann/Farish Class 47s - it would be rather nice to see a model of one of the Stratford-based Class 47 locos that carried the silver roofs and the very large Union Flag at the time of the Silver Jubilee in 1977.
[I'm firmly a Western Region / Southern Region modeller (North Cornwall 1959-63), but could be tempted by one one of those Stratford 47s...]
Cols
They have already done that Stratford Union Jack 47 in a wooden box along with a Silver Jubilee steam locomotive as part of the Bachmann 25 years celebrations (1989-2014) and was set 370-2014.
They come up on EBay every so often, sometimes split from the set, sometimes not.
Peters Spares will sell you the box (empty) for £25!
Happy hunting
Bob
I really really want them to do a Southern 4-6-0.
I don't want one, but at least then
@Bob G and others could stop moaning :D :D
John P
Must read correctly.
I thought Farish had announced a new 25 then. :goggleeyes:
Quote from: jpendle on March 05, 2025, 04:07:53 PMI really really want them to do a Southern 4-6-0.
I don't want one, but at least then @Bob G and others could stop moaning :D :D
John P
Shhhh it's not moaning. Honest.