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Title: Seeing double
Post by: Newportnobby on December 29, 2024, 11:54:49 AM
I'm sure I'm not alone in possessing more than one model of certain locos - maybe a new version of an old model or different liveries etc.
So........just for a bit of fun I present my steam ones:-

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/148/264-291224114102-148023603.jpeg)
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/147/264-281224112211-1479931026.jpeg)
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/147/264-281224112211-1479911548.jpeg)
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/147/264-281224112211-147991315.jpeg)
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/147/264-281224112210-147990385.jpeg)
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/147/264-281224112210-1479891340.jpeg)
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/147/264-281224112210-1479871593.jpeg)
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/147/264-281224112210-1479871051.jpeg)
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/147/264-281224112209-1479852328.jpeg)
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/147/264-281224112209-147985862.jpeg)
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/147/264-281224112209-1479831667.jpeg)
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/147/264-281224112208-14797915.jpeg)
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/147/264-281224112208-1479791654.jpeg)
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/148/264-130125101809-148495705.jpeg)
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/148/264-200125135943-1486712222.jpeg)
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/148/264-200125135916-1486702243.jpeg)
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/148/264-200125135915-148657123.jpeg)
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/148/264-200125135915-148657743.jpeg)
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/149/264-060325092650-149805957.jpeg)

Feel free to post similar pics. Steam/diesel/electric. Any country.
Must be same class or same name e.g. 'Warship'. Certain differences allowed, witness the Merchant Navy one
Title: Re: Seeing double
Post by: ntpntpntp on December 29, 2024, 12:13:58 PM
Class 101s by Roco.   This is not all of them (I need to update the group photo with others I've bought since :) )

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/77/medium_5885-220519190437.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=77702)
Title: Re: Seeing double
Post by: chrism on December 29, 2024, 12:17:00 PM
I solved my only duplicate, a rebuilt Royal Scot 6115 Scots Guardsman in LMS black, by 3d printing an unrebuilt Royal Scot body for one of them, 6111 Royal Fusilier in LMS crimson.

https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?msg=851488

Sorted  :D 
Title: Re: Seeing double
Post by: ntpntpntp on December 29, 2024, 12:19:24 PM
MaK diesels  (mostly by Minitrix but there's a Piko in there as well :) )


(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/148/5885-291224121911.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=148029)
Title: Re: Seeing double
Post by: crewearpley40 on December 29, 2024, 12:21:28 PM
Here we go.
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/148/3894-291224122001.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=148030)


40015 lead loco. 40012 behind.
12 has more crisper letters numbers and looks sharper in detail. The side grilles on the China version look a lot sharper and of course 15 was made in Poole without a dcc ready equipment plus the old metal block under the body.  12 runs more smoother
Title: Re: Seeing double
Post by: ntpntpntp on December 29, 2024, 12:27:05 PM

Arnold Mallets
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/148/5885-291224122555.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=148031)


(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/148/5885-291224122641.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=148032)
Title: Re: Seeing double
Post by: ntpntpntp on December 29, 2024, 12:29:49 PM

Swiss Re 4/4 IV  All Roco models (or based on Roco in the case of the SOB version)
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/148/5885-291224122835.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=148033)
Title: Re: Seeing double
Post by: Moonglum on December 29, 2024, 12:31:12 PM
Mick @Newportnobby , would you be kind enough to tell us/me what your locos are i.e. Class and manufacturer, some I know and some I readily don't! And, possibly the date of manufacture e.g. the two Castles are Graham Farish, the rear one being Poole and the front one being China (I think). 

Many thanks,

Tim
Title: Re: Seeing double
Post by: crewearpley40 on December 29, 2024, 12:34:35 PM
Class 20s

Farish 20142 (8205) Poole
Leading 20048 (371032A)
On left and D8144 ( 8204) a Vintage '82 model
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/148/3894-291224123430.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=148034)


Purchased from exhibitions except a colleague sold 8144 for £50 ! Just a run in and a dab of oil and all 3 run smooth slow hauling HAA wagons or chemicals Trains real memories of the misspent youth around Warrington and Crewe
Title: Re: Seeing double
Post by: ntpntpntp on December 29, 2024, 12:45:36 PM
ET 420 EMU  (a favourite of mine, some example models go back to the mid 70s)

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/79/medium_5885-040719200636.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=79157)

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/96/medium_5885-080720222828.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=96720)

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/135/medium_5885-240823164406.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=135034)

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/148/5885-291224124206.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=148036)


(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/148/5885-291224124254.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=148037)


(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/148/5885-291224124346.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=148038)


Title: Re: Seeing double
Post by: Newportnobby on December 29, 2024, 12:47:53 PM
I reckon Nick (ntpx3) is winning hands down just on colour alone :D

Quote from: Moonglum on December 29, 2024, 12:31:12 PMMick @Newportnobby , would you be kind enough to tell us/me what your locos are i.e. Class and manufacturer, some I know and some I readily don't! And, possibly the date of manufacture e.g. the two Castles are Graham Farish, the rear one being Poole and the front one being China (I think). 

Many thanks,

Tim

@Moonglum Tim - from the top down
56xx (Sonic), Std 5MT (Farish), Std 4MT (Farish), Royal Scots (Farish), Q1s (Dapol), Merchant Navy (Farish rebuilt over newer air smoothed), Jubilees (Farish), J94s (Farish top, EFE below), Castles (Grafar top, Bachfar below), Black 5s (Farish), 9Fs (Dapol), 4Fs (Farish), 3MTs (Farish), Farish Poole 94xx panniers, large Prairies (top Farish Poole, lower Sonic), Ivatt tanks (top Minitrix, lower Dapol), 8Fs (top GraFar, lower BachFar) and Britannias (top Minitrix, lower Dapol)
Title: Re: Seeing double
Post by: crewearpley40 on December 29, 2024, 01:07:26 PM
Farish Blue 08
1007 Poole

Green 2005 model
Currently working but having attention when I will be free to attach a coupling rod. It's been serviced due to a split gear just need to attach that rod later.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/148/3894-291224130625.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=148039)

I do have another 2 x 08s similar to the blue and 3 x Class 25s and a 24 or Type 2 but not showing
Title: Re: Seeing double
Post by: thebrighton on December 29, 2024, 01:19:42 PM
I have numerous locos running in different liveries mainly due to changing chief engineers, mergers and costs of the pre grouping Southern.

P Class:

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/113/943-230821172055.jpeg)

R Class:

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/102/943-291120135949.jpeg)
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/98/943-010920193135.jpeg)
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/134/943-290723114357.jpeg)

H Class:

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/64/943-140418114824.jpeg)

Terrier, also in Stroudley IEG and full SECR Wainwright:

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/17/main_29451.JPG)
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/49/943-270217204005.jpeg)

C Class, also the simplified SECR green:

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/106/943-080221112341.jpeg)
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/52/main_9373.JPG)

D1 Class:

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/148/943-291224131800.jpeg)
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/106/943-230221105325.jpeg)



Title: Re: Seeing double
Post by: martyn on December 29, 2024, 01:27:22 PM
Without boasting, far too many to photograph.....

All these locos have running numbers appropriate to East Anglia, particularly 30A, 30F, 31B, 32A, or 32B. The odd loco with a non GER section shed allocation is replicated from photos of use in the area. If the manufacturers' choice of number is suitable (eg the B17s), then it is left, otherwise all have been renumbered and, if appropriate, renamed (Parkeston's B1s had a nice series of numbers of the B1 'namers').

For use on JS, I take;

3 x cl15
3 x 20
4 x 24
5 x 31 (includes toffee apple/skinhead variants)
3 x 37
2 x 40 + 2 Poole home

5 x J39 (Farish) + 2 UM at home
7 x Farish B1, + 2 kit at home
5 x Dapol Britannia, + 4 Minitrix at home
2 x B17
2 x Austerity
1 x N2, +1 at home.

2 x 2 car Cl 101 DMUs, + 1 Poole at home
1 x cl 101 3-car, + 1 Poole at home.

These are not all used at the same time on JS, but are used to 'ring the changes' and even out usage.

I now have far too many locos, as the large layout which I'd built and used up most of these has now been dismantled, due to a house move, so all are now living in boxes and awaiting the next exhibition or my new-as yet undecided-layout.

Martyn


Title: Re: Seeing double
Post by: Newportnobby on December 29, 2024, 01:53:50 PM
I've always really liked that SE&CR green livery :heart2:
Title: Re: Seeing double
Post by: Bob G on December 29, 2024, 02:20:50 PM
Mick

Did you do this to taunt me?

Honestly.... I'm not playing
Title: Re: Seeing double
Post by: Newportnobby on December 29, 2024, 04:25:58 PM
Maybe try and limit it to something you only have two of, Bob. Difficult for you, I know :D
E.g. I have 5 Westerns so which do I choose?
But I only have 2 class 22s so I'll get a pic of those as one is pristine and the other is weathered
Title: Re: Seeing double
Post by: njee20 on December 29, 2024, 04:36:31 PM
I don't particularly like 66s, but they're just too ubiquitous these days! This after I sold quite a few!


(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/148/1147-291224163612.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=148047)
Title: Re: Seeing double
Post by: Newportnobby on December 29, 2024, 04:55:30 PM
Strewth! A village of sheds :goggleeyes:
Title: Re: Seeing double
Post by: ntpntpntp on December 29, 2024, 05:49:20 PM
Quote from: njee20 on December 29, 2024, 04:36:31 PMI don't particularly like 66s, but they're just too ubiquitous these days! This after I sold quite a few!


(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/148/1147-291224163612.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=148047)


Yeah but they're all the same size!  At least I have a variety of sizes :)   Need to add a Dapol 0 gauge example when they come out, though really I want a European one.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/148/5885-291224174807.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=148050)
Title: Re: Seeing double
Post by: pinball on December 29, 2024, 06:22:01 PM
Is this cheating?

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/148/9782-291224181552-148046592.jpeg)

I have to say I'm a bit of a fan of the class 33...

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/148/9782-291224181552-148046803.jpeg)
Title: Re: Seeing double
Post by: crewearpley40 on December 29, 2024, 06:27:07 PM
Paul
The hst power car pair isn't cheating. Love these.  As for the 33 collection fair play
Title: Re: Seeing double
Post by: njee20 on December 29, 2024, 08:34:56 PM
Quote from: ntpntpntp on December 29, 2024, 05:49:20 PMYeah but they're all the same size!  At least I have a variety of sizes :)  Need to add a Dapol 0 gauge example when they come out, though really I want a European one.


I do have an ancient OO gauge one! A few locos in multiple scales too, but not quite the array you've managed! I do like those Aristocraft 66s.
Title: Re: Seeing double
Post by: Greygreaser on December 29, 2024, 08:54:02 PM
4 multiples only each runner paired with a non-runner so not popping up photos

Minitrix Ivatt tenders
Minitrix 9F locos
Union mills J39s
Graham Farish 47s

Boring I know!
Title: Re: Seeing double
Post by: SouthernJohn on December 29, 2024, 09:21:54 PM
Oh goodness, for me it is Merchant Navy and BOB/WC pacifics. I have 6 of the new Farish, and I think 6 of the original Farish? I could probably build another 2 from parts of the original Farish...

Could be a brilliant Bulleid fest if I got them all running at one time!
Title: Re: Seeing double
Post by: Foxhound on December 30, 2024, 01:09:40 PM
Quote from: pinball on December 29, 2024, 06:22:01 PMI have to say I'm a bit of a fan of the class 33...

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/148/9782-291224181552-148046803.jpeg)

I am sooooo jealous. All those lovely Little Cromptons
Title: Re: Seeing double
Post by: Newportnobby on December 30, 2024, 02:11:26 PM
And so to my diseasels

Class 20s Farish (old top, new below)
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/148/264-301224135442-1480521856.jpeg)
Class 22s Dapol
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/148/264-301224135442-1480522144.jpeg)
Class 24s Farish 2 of 3
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/148/264-301224135442-1480602036.jpeg)
Class 25s Farish (old top, new below) 2 of 3
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/148/264-301224135442-1480602378.jpeg)
Class 26s Dapol
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/148/264-301224135443-1480621887.jpeg)
Class 31s Farish (new top, old below) 2 of 3
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/148/264-301224135443-14806273.jpeg)
Class 33s Farish top, Dapol below
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/148/264-301224135443-14806441.jpeg)
Class 35s Dapol 2 of 5
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/148/264-301224135444-148064178.jpeg)
Class 37s Farish (old top, new below)
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/148/264-301224135444-1480661020.jpeg)
Class 40s Farish (old top, new below) 2 of 3
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/148/264-301224135444-1480661924.jpeg)
Class 42s Farish 2 of 4
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/148/264-301224135444-1480681623.jpeg)
Class 47s Farish (old top, new below) 2 of 3
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/148/264-301224135445-148068851.jpeg)
Class 52s Dapol 2 of 5
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/148/264-301224135445-1480701661.jpeg)
Deltics Farish
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/148/264-301224135445-1480701348.jpeg)
Peaks Farish 2 of 3
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/148/264-301224135446-1480721673.jpeg)
Farish D16 Twins
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/148/264-020125122130-1481642338.jpeg)

Title: Re: Seeing double
Post by: Bealman on December 30, 2024, 11:24:54 PM
That's a nice swag there. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Seeing double
Post by: Hiawatha on January 05, 2025, 06:36:09 PM
Seeing double? :confused1:

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/148/6051-050125171442-1482671569.jpeg)

Well, both are members of the German BR 05 class. :) 

In fact both are the same locomotive, 05 003! :goggleeyes:
"Class" is a bit exaggerated as there were only three BR 05 locomotives. The first two were built in 1935 (05 002 made the steam speed record in 1936 which Mallard captured two years later), and 05 003 followed in 1937.
This was built by Borsig as a cab-forward to show the Reichsbahn that steam locomotives too could offer the same good forward visibility like electrics and those pesky little SVT diesel streamliners. The SVTs were seen as a threat to the locomotive industry as they weren't involved in building them – coachbuilders and engine makers could churn them out without the need for locomotive builders.
Oil-firing would be the logical way to go for a cab-forward but Borsig also wanted to emphasize that locomotives could use domestic coal instead of wasting diesel oil (which the Wehrmacht needed in huge quantities) for the SVTs. No problem, pulverised coal could be used instead of oil, and pressurised air would blow it the mere 14 metres from the tender to the firebox in front.
Well, that worked just as well as it reads. :no:

After standing around in a corner of the Borsig factory for a few years, another brilliant idea emerged in 1944. "Just building war 2-10-0s is soooo boring. Let's turn the boiler around and make 05 003 a conventional coal-burning locomotive. You know, 'Wheels must roll for victory'" (written on tenders during the war) – "Excellent idea! Of course what the Reichsbahn now needs most is a 110-mph express locomotive." ::)
That happened and, as the streamlining had been removed, a rather nice 4-6-4 appeared in February 1945. And then only made one journey from Berlin to western Germany when the Red Army was knocking on Borsig's doors.

With eight consecutive liveries available in N (three cab-forwards from Lemke Collection and five unstreamlined from Arnold), the 05 003 must be up there with Flying Scotsman regarding different liveries. Not bad for an engine that was scrapped after only 20 years of service.
Title: Re: Seeing double
Post by: Newportnobby on January 05, 2025, 06:54:43 PM
Very interesting. Thanks for posting that.
Title: Re: Seeing double
Post by: icairns on January 05, 2025, 07:25:08 PM
I always think it is interesting to compare the same prototypes made by different manufacturers and even more so when looking at old kit-built examples and later RTR models.

I have a few examples "seeing double" in my collection that fall into this category:

1. Minitrix LNER Class A3 and A4 models compared to Graham Farish and Dapol versions

2. Langley LNER Class B1 kit and the Graham Faish B1.

3. NuCast LNER Class J27 kit and the Union Mills J27. 

4. Parkwood Class 17 Clayton resin print and the EFE Clayton

5. Heritage N Prototype Deltic resin print and the Graham Farish version

There are several more examples but I will stop there.

Talking of duplication, I recall one NGF member who had about thirty Western Class 52 hydraulics (out of a class of 74 locos).  Apologies for not remembering the Forum member's name (will the guilty party please identify themselves?) 

This made me think.  While it may be a task too far to own a model of every Class 52, I wondered if anyone had a complete collection of a more modest class of locos (in terms of numbers)?

For example, does anyone have a collection of all twenty-two Deltics? 

Inquiring minds want to know! 

Ian

Title: Re: Seeing double
Post by: crewearpley40 on January 05, 2025, 07:39:48 PM
Ian @icairns

If memory serves
https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=56091.30

Di tape

Gordon mentions an interesting post


Re the larger scale and a friend having a large collection

I cannot recall someone having all 22 Deltics
Title: Re: Seeing double
Post by: PLD on January 05, 2025, 11:31:02 PM
Quote from: crewearpley40 on January 05, 2025, 07:39:48 PMI cannot recall someone having all 22 Deltics
There was a 00 layout (can't remember the name now...) that between the operators could muster all 23 'Deltics' including the prototype plus their cousin 'DP2'...
Title: Re: Seeing double
Post by: Foxhound on January 06, 2025, 09:34:14 AM
Quote from: crewearpley40 on January 05, 2025, 07:39:48 PMIan @icairns

If memory serves
https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=56091.30

Di tape

Gordon mentions an interesting post


Re the larger scale and a friend having a large collection

I cannot recall someone having all 22 Deltics

I notice Di's thread tailed off - I wonder if there's a fleet update? She pops up on FB Hydraulic pages quite a bit.
Title: Re: Seeing double
Post by: crewearpley40 on January 06, 2025, 10:12:01 AM
Quote from: Foxhound on January 06, 2025, 09:34:14 AM
Quote from: crewearpley40 on January 05, 2025, 07:39:48 PMIan @icairns

If memory serves
https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=56091.30

Di tape

Gordon mentions an interesting post


Re the larger scale and a friend having a large collection

I cannot recall someone having all 22 Deltics

I notice Di's thread tailed off - I wonder if there's a fleet update? She pops up on FB Hydraulic pages quite a bit.
Good point. Not seen her for a while and I was wondering the same Rob

@Ditape
Title: Re: Seeing double
Post by: Platy767 on January 06, 2025, 10:50:26 AM
Ha! I've got the entire set of class member of the GCR Petrol Railcar.
 :D

Mark