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Just been looking at threads for the NGF meet ups at Peterborough and at Bamber Bridge. The BB one in 2014 featured Dave Jones announcing plans for a J94, class 17 and class 23.
We've had 2 of the 3 from EFE but I suspect the last wasn't far enough down the track to be taken up by anyone. Happy to be proved wrong.:D
Shame some pics have disappeared from those threads :(

The class 15 Bo-Bo was more numerous and successful than the baby deltic. whether that counts for anything, as we already have a Teddy Bear Class 14, a Co-Bo and a Clayton, and soon a Warship prototype. All pretty niche.

Bob

I think DJM also announced an LNER Q6 0-8-0 at some point.

I have a 3D print of a Q6 on my workbench but am still looking for a suitable chassis.

Ian

Quote from: Newportnobby on November 18, 2024, 05:24:26 PM[...] I suspect the last wasn't far enough down the track [...]

Just like the prototype, much to the annoyance of commuters on the old 'GN' who probably longed to get the nice 'N2' 0-6-2T engines back.

There were a few 'stinkers' amongst the BR diesel classes but I think these Bo-Bos were the only ones built by English Electric.  Although BR interference with the design of the Class 50s made it a close run thing for a while.

With all good wishes.

John

Quote from: Newportnobby on November 18, 2024, 05:24:26 PMJust been looking at threads for the NGF meet ups at Peterborough and at Bamber Bridge. The BB one in 2014 featured Dave Jones announcing plans for a J94, class 17 and class 23.
We've had 2 of the 3 from EFE but I suspect the last wasn't far enough down the track to be taken up by anyone. Happy to be proved wrong.:D
Shame some pics have disappeared from those threads :(

I remember that Bamber Bridge meet up, I got a Pendo from Milton Keynes to Preston and a "Pacer" from there to Bamber Bridge with the said Dave Jones. It was a really good day if a bit of a trek.

Now things are a bit hazy with the passage of time, but I recall DJM's first loco announced was the OO Gauge J94 which actually got released, which was then to be followed by the N Gauge Class 17 which got as far as EP. The third model (for which only CADs were shown) was the Class 23.

He later added the Q6 to the N Gauge "vapourware" list and I recall a GW Mogul followed by the N "King" and an APT in OO and N. However I think the DJM J94 in N (for which CADs were shown) was actually one of his last (if not the last) "announcements" before things headed rapidly down the pan.

Roy

Quote from: Train Waiting on November 18, 2024, 06:02:30 PMThere were a few 'stinkers' amongst the BR diesel classes but I think these Bo-Bos were the only ones built by English Electric.

At least I have one courtesy of Dalteth (Iain) of this forum, but would like a RTR version maybe even with sound if that one Napier could be replicated :hmmm:
It would seem from my Combined Volumes I spotted 9 of them at Kings Cross over several visits

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Quote from: Newportnobby on November 18, 2024, 07:18:29 PMIt would seem from my Combined Volumes I spotted 9 of them at Kings Cross over several visits

I never saw a Class 23 in the flesh but I have one on 'Ferryhill'.  It is a Silver Fox resin body on a GF Class 33 chassis (China production).


It is a nice model and runs well but I am not sure what it is doing so far north.  Possibly because I have a soft spot for the less successful diesel designs (Metrovick Co-Bos and Class 17 Claytons, for example).  Anyone can like a Class 55 Deltic (I do, too!).

Ian

@Train Waiting

The class 20 BoBos were English Electric, John....

Or did you mean the only Bobo stinkers built by EE?

In which case, please ignore.

Martyn

Prefer a Class 40 and a 50

Newton le Willows made. Nothing wrong with a pair of Class 20s

Quote from: martyn on November 18, 2024, 08:18:34 PM@Train Waiting

The class 20 BoBos were English Electric, John....

Or did you mean the only Bobo stinkers built by EE?

In which case, please ignore.

Martyn

Yes, indeed, Martyn.  EE's only stinkers.

The EE 'Type 1' Bo-Bo was a remarkable machine with production restarted in 1965 (I think) to replace the type -  'Clayton' Bo-Bo, a real 'stinker' -  that was meant to replace them.

I remember seeing lots 'N' lots of withdrawn 'Claytons' at the former Ardrossan steam shed.  Meanwhile the EEs continued to give years of reliable service.

My late Father-in-Law was an engineman at Inverness and rated the EE 'Type 1s' highly.

With all good wishes.

John

Quote from: icairns on November 18, 2024, 07:54:12 PM

Quote from: Newportnobby on November 18, 2024, 07:18:29 PMIt would seem from my Combined Volumes I spotted 9 of them at Kings Cross over several visits

I never saw a Class 23 in the flesh but I have one on 'Ferryhill'.  It is a Silver Fox resin body on a GF Class 33 chassis (China production).
I am not sure what it is doing so far north.

Mine has been pressganged into running across from Cambridge to Oxford, although it's extremely doubtful it would have made the trip without breaking down :)
They did sound good, though

Quote from: Newportnobby on November 18, 2024, 10:35:33 PM

Quote from: icairns on November 18, 2024, 07:54:12 PM

Quote from: Newportnobby on November 18, 2024, 07:18:29 PMIt would seem from my Combined Volumes I spotted 9 of them at Kings Cross over several visits

I never saw a Class 23 in the flesh but I have one on 'Ferryhill'.  It is a Silver Fox resin body on a GF Class 33 chassis (China production).
I am not sure what it is doing so far north.

Mine has been pressganged into running across from Cambridge to Oxford, although it's extremely doubtful it would have made the trip without breaking down :)
They did sound good, though

The 1:1 gauge reproduction will be finished eventually, so there will be a power unit to record for the sound file types....

I too have a class 23 Silver Fox body on a Farish chassis it is an old chassis with metal gears but it runs very well not at all noisy .
John painted it for me as we used to have a display of all his models on the B H E stand I did pay him for painting it and the for the chassis but I was very lucky he only charged mates rates as we were promoting his kits .WE sold lots of them once we displayed the painted ones.They were very good resin mouldings not 3D prints .
Bob 

Quote from: Roy L S on November 18, 2024, 06:12:30 PMNow things are a bit hazy with the passage of time, but I recall DJM's first loco announced was the OO Gauge J94 which actually got released, which was then to be followed by the N Gauge Class 17 which got as far as EP. The third model (for which only CADs were shown) was the Class 23.

He later added the Q6 to the N Gauge "vapourware" list and I recall a GW Mogul followed by the N "King" and an APT in OO and N. However I think the DJM J94 in N (for which CADs were shown) was actually one of his last (if not the last) "announcements" before things headed rapidly down the pan.

Roy

The class 17 is now in the EFE range so it did get to market, as far as I know the J94 is nothing to do with his model and CAD's. The Q6 was planned along with a OO version, once Hornby announced theirs it put paid to his version

Probably controversial but I think DJ was unlucky, the issues he told of with the class 17 where China asked for extra money so he had to give all who paid to get it made their money back. That money must have come from somewhere and I suspect things like the King funds were "borrowed" to repay everyone. If just one of the projects he planned had been delivered I reckon he may have survived and we would finally have an N gauge King model. Maybe someone will produce one soon - EFE perhaps?

Would a 3D printed kit be of any use, or are you after RTR?

I've already done a Hall, County and now my King Arthurs are about to ship. As long as there's a suitable donor with the right sort of wheels, and I can find suitable drawings and photos for reference, a King shouldn't be difficult.

Ross.