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Title: UK Pension Scam
Post by: joe cassidy on November 13, 2024, 01:21:53 PM
I am retiring at the end of the month. I have spent most of my working life in France and so I am hoping to get a pension from the French government.

I did work in the UK for several years before moving to France but I am not expecting any pension from the UK government.

However, today I received an SMS from "DWP" - Department of Works & pensions ? - informing me that :

"We've processed your State Pension claim. We will send you a letter which will tell you everything you need to know. You do not need to contact us."

I assume that this is a scam and I can expect a letter asking for my bank account details.

Can any of you ex-pat pensioners on here confirm please ?

Thanks in advance.

Joe
Title: Re: UK Pension Scam
Post by: ntpntpntp on November 13, 2024, 01:30:22 PM
Well, it's not asked you to click a link or phone a number so it might be legit.  Would DWP have your number to SMS it? See what the letter says if/when it arrives?
Title: Re: UK Pension Scam
Post by: Newportnobby on November 13, 2024, 01:55:25 PM
As Nick says, unless they ask for personal details leave 'em to it. Even if it's a tenner a month it's a bottle or so of wine :D
It does make you wonder how they got your mobile number, though :hmmm:
Title: Re: UK Pension Scam
Post by: zwilnik on November 13, 2024, 02:02:51 PM
Quote from: Newportnobby on November 13, 2024, 01:55:25 PMAs Nick says, unless they ask for personal details leave 'em to it. Even if it's a tenner a month it's a bottle or so of wine :D
It does make you wonder how they got your mobile number, though :hmmm:

My paranoia about scams makes me wonder if someone else has applied using your details hoping to redirect and cash in on your UK pension. Getting someone's details and mobile number is pretty easy nowadays unfortunately.

May be worth directly checking with DWP (I'm guessing the HMRC website has a relevant page) to double check it?
Title: Re: UK Pension Scam
Post by: joe cassidy on November 13, 2024, 03:51:13 PM
Thanks everyone for your advice.
Title: Re: UK Pension Scam
Post by: Southerngooner on November 13, 2024, 04:09:36 PM
Even if you only did a few years in UK employment and paid NI contributions you would be entitled to a state pension, maybe not of the full value though. Why would any scammer message you and then send a letter? Doesn't sound like their usual MO.....

Dave
Title: Re: UK Pension Scam
Post by: icairns on November 13, 2024, 04:15:25 PM
Joe:

This sounds like a scam to me.  Do not respond.

I currently live in the USA and have a UK pension.  The UK pension organization typically only communicate by letter.

Also, I believe you actually have to apply to receive your pension.  It is not something that comes automatically. I think that you can defer taking your pension at your full retirement age ("State Pension Deferral") in order to get a larger amount when you actually apply (my wife did this a few years ago).

More information here:  https://www.gov.uk/browse/working/state-pension

You may want to contact the government pension people in the UK to clarify your situation.

Ian
Title: Re: UK Pension Scam
Post by: Firstone18 on November 13, 2024, 04:39:46 PM
The OP states:
"We've processed your State Pension claim. We will send you a letter which will tell you everything you need to know. You do not need to contact us."

The question I would ask is 'did I send a state pension claim to the DWP?
From my memory of this, it was up to me to claim my state pension following receiving a letter, not a text, from the DWP to my home address. My feeling is if you have not made a claim as the text states, then it is a scam. you could try contacting the DWP and talking to them. HTH.
Title: Re: UK Pension Scam
Post by: TeeCee on November 13, 2024, 05:29:19 PM
Also if you are living overseas your contact should probably have been from these people. You can contact the International Pension Centre (IPC) by email, using the online enquiry form or these numbers.
Telephone: +44 (0) 191 218 7777
Textphone: +44 (0) 191 218 7280

In addition depending on your circumstances this number could be used.
If you were given PRESA under European Community regulations.
Telephone +44 (0) 191 206 9390
Title: Re: UK Pension Scam
Post by: dannyboy on November 13, 2024, 06:58:56 PM
There is a Government website, (can not remember the details off hand, but will have a look later), where you can get an estimate of when and how much your pension would be. It also tells you when you can avail of a free bus pass!

Found it -
https://www.gov.uk/check-state-pension
Title: Re: UK Pension Scam
Post by: Stuart Down Under on November 13, 2024, 08:18:19 PM
I didn't have to apply. After all, they know how old we all are and where we live. I received a similar letter back in the day.

I have also found them to be the most helpful of all government departments and if in doubt, just phone them. I have done so from Australia from time to time and they are always easy to talk to, and sort things out. I suppose that they are used to silly old duffers on the phone!
 :D
Title: Re: UK Pension Scam
Post by: Bealman on November 13, 2024, 10:20:22 PM
I worked for 12 months in England before coming here, but when I asked about a pension, the answer, not surprisingly, was forget it.
Title: Re: UK Pension Scam
Post by: Malc-c on November 14, 2024, 11:20:25 AM
From limited research every UK citizen is eligible for a state pension provided they make a minimum of 10 years NI contribution. However in order to qualify for the full amount said person needs to have contributed 45 years worth of NI credit.  For those that have contributed for more than 10 years but less than 45 the pension gets reduced, but then said person might be eligible to pension credit.   

But for those living abroad the "rules" are more complicated and is also varies based on the country you have lived and worked in... This is explained here https://www.gov.uk/new-state-pension/living-and-working-overseas

To the OP, I would simply telephone the help line that you will have on any legit letter form the tax office.  You can also set up a Government gateway and see any documentation sent to you for benefits / pensions etc.  That way you could see if the letter you received is legit
Title: Re: UK Pension Scam
Post by: chrism on November 14, 2024, 11:45:36 AM
Quote from: Malc-c on November 14, 2024, 11:20:25 AMFor those that have contributed for more than 10 years but less than 45 the pension gets reduced

No, it's only 35 qualifying years' contributions required to get a full new state pension now.
Title: Re: UK Pension Scam
Post by: joe cassidy on November 19, 2024, 08:02:06 AM
I'm pleased to report that the SMS I received from DPW was not a scam.

I received my first payment yesterday  :D
Title: Re: UK Pension Scam
Post by: Southerngooner on November 19, 2024, 08:19:28 AM
It didn't sound like a scam to me, so glad to hear it's turned out OK!

Dave
Title: Re: UK Pension Scam
Post by: Newportnobby on November 19, 2024, 10:19:49 AM
I'd be quite happy to be scammed whereby they pay me money. I really need that Nigerian prince to come up with the goods ;)
Title: Re: UK Pension Scam
Post by: Jim Easterbrook on November 25, 2024, 04:00:43 PM
Quote from: Firstone18 on November 13, 2024, 04:39:46 PMThe question I would ask is 'did I send a state pension claim to the DWP?
From my memory of this, it was up to me to claim my state pension following receiving a letter, not a text, from the DWP to my home address.

I can confirm this still happens. I received a letter today, but my pension won't start for another four months or so. I've claimed online, but will no doubt have forgotten doing so by the time the payments start.
Title: Re: UK Pension Scam
Post by: joe cassidy on November 26, 2024, 11:20:19 AM
I received a letter of explication from DWP today.

I became eligible for a pension when I turned 66 a year ago.

This month I received 2 payments - a big one, for 1 year's arrears, and a smaller one corresponding to the regular monthly allowance.
Title: Re: UK Pension Scam
Post by: Newportnobby on November 26, 2024, 11:23:36 AM
More trains, more trains!!! :laugh3:
Title: Re: UK Pension Scam
Post by: dannyboy on November 26, 2024, 11:25:07 AM
That's nice to hear Joe.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: UK Pension Scam
Post by: Greygreaser on December 13, 2024, 05:01:26 PM
Good news Joe the pound has strengthened against the euro reaching 1.22 on the 11th you seem to have the Midas touch - Merry Xmas!