I note that in conjunction with the Swanage railway and others they are producing Adams T3 class 4-4-0 No 563 in '0rribly 0versize" I've sent an Email to Swanage railway asking if they can shrink one for me.(about 6 minutes in the video)
Welcome return of the Mk2's in there, bet they sell like hot cakes
Quote from: eddief83 on November 06, 2024, 01:15:11 PMWelcome return of the Mk2's in there, bet they sell like hot cakes
My wife has my Christmas list ;)
I'm also delighted to see the RTR D600s, just a shame that D600 herself is not available in original condition.
I have my fingers and toes crossed for a retooled PGA Tullis Russell wagon and for an N gauge PRA wagon in the future.
Had just about given up and planning on selling my Scotrail DBSO... :-\
Some nice new p.o's in OO, which i hope will shrink in due course...
Quote from: class8mikado on November 06, 2024, 02:20:01 PMHad just about given up and planning on selling my Scotrail DBSO... :-\
I thought the Mk2F DBSO ran with Mk3 and a class 47 on Edinburgh Glasgow services (C&M Models commissioned the Mk3 from Dapol). The Scotrail Mk2a were more usually found on the likes of the Glasgow to Aberdeen trains, running with a BG or BSO.
Steven B
Quote from: eddief83 on November 06, 2024, 01:15:11 PMWelcome return of the Mk2's in there, bet they sell like hot cakes
Yes, I rarely pre-order items, but I have done so for these as there will be about eight years worth of demand to satisfy and I don't want to miss out.
You'll find some of the 2022 batch of Blue/Grey Mk2 BSO (374-680A) in the shops. There's not been a Blue/Grey TSO since 2015!
It would have been nice if they'd re-run the NSE versions too. Maybe a Spring 2025 release? Perhaps with a Regional Railways BSO or TSO or FK in Transpennine.
It'd be really nice if they'd tool the BFK interior and underframe (shared body with the BSO).
Steven B
Quote from: Steven B on November 07, 2024, 09:25:21 AMIt'd be really nice if they'd tool the BFK interior and underframe (shared body with the BSO).
Steven B
I wonder how many people would notice if you just applied a yellow stripe?
Bob
Quote from: Steven B on November 07, 2024, 09:25:21 AMIt'd be really nice if they'd tool the BFK interior and underframe (shared body with the BSO).
Steven B
No it wouldn't! Not just after I've made one with your help!
Quote from: Bob G on November 07, 2024, 09:40:48 AMI wonder how many people would notice if you just applied a yellow stripe?
The trouble is, I want a BFK in Regional Railways colours - Farish have yet to do the BSO in these colours (which I believe is because only Mk2b/2c BSO carried the livery).
My rake of Reg' Rail' Mk2a is currently running with a Mk1 BSK, which whilst prototypically correct wasn't a common occurrence - BFK would be preferable (as would a Mk2b/Mk2c!).
Steven B
Quote from: Steven B on November 06, 2024, 04:28:39 PMQuote from: class8mikado on November 06, 2024, 02:20:01 PMHad just about given up and planning on selling my Scotrail DBSO... :-\
I thought the Mk2F DBSO ran with Mk3 and a class 47 on Edinburgh Glasgow services (C&M Models commissioned the Mk3 from Dapol). The Scotrail Mk2a were more usually found on the likes of the Glasgow to Aberdeen trains, running with a BG or BSO.
Steven B
In the Rail Express formations guide for Scotrail push-pull trains they list one as
DBSO - 4 x Mk2 TSO and 47711 all all in Scotrail from Perth to Glasgow in May 86
Couple of other formations of use
DBSO - Mk2 FK, 3 x Mk2 TSO in BR Blue & Grey and 47710 in blue Edinburgh to Inverness July 84
47701 Scotrail, Mk1 BG Scotrail,m 3 x Mk2D TSO, Mk2 TSOT all Scotrail, Mk2F FO (blue & grey) and DBSO Scotrail
Quote from: Steven B on November 07, 2024, 09:25:21 AMIt'd be really nice if they'd tool the BFK interior and underframe (shared body with the BSO).
Steven B
Yeah, I've got two BSOs to make up for the lack of TSOs, but oddly enough I was thinking the exact same thing yesterday. Although I didn't realise that the underframe is different, I was thinking that I could just add the seating section from a FK and add the yellow stripe. Is the underframe radically different?
I've learnt something today - I had no idea the Scotrail Mk2a ran with the Mk2F DBSO.
Ignore my early comment about the BFK underframe being different to the BSO - I think they're broadly the same. I was mixing them up with the Mk2F TSO and BSO which do have differences.
Steve B
Quote from: eddief83 on November 07, 2024, 01:35:33 PMQuote from: Steven B on November 06, 2024, 04:28:39 PMQuote from: class8mikado on November 06, 2024, 02:20:01 PMHad just about given up and planning on selling my Scotrail DBSO... :-\
I thought the Mk2F DBSO ran with Mk3 and a class 47 on Edinburgh Glasgow services (C&M Models commissioned the Mk3 from Dapol). The Scotrail Mk2a were more usually found on the likes of the Glasgow to Aberdeen trains, running with a BG or BSO.
Steven B
In the Rail Express formations guide for Scotrail push-pull trains they list one as
DBSO - 4 x Mk2 TSO and 47711 all all in Scotrail from Perth to Glasgow in May 86
Couple of other formations of use
DBSO - Mk2 FK, 3 x Mk2 TSO in BR Blue & Grey and 47710 in blue Edinburgh to Inverness July 84
47701 Scotrail, Mk1 BG Scotrail,m 3 x Mk2D TSO, Mk2 TSOT all Scotrail, Mk2F FO (blue & grey) and DBSO Scotrail
As I grew up in Perth and frequented Perth station...frequently, I can confirm the Glasgow Aberdeen push pull services were DBSOs and Mk2s.
Some excellent detail here, reply 29: https://www.railforums.co.uk/threads/47-7-push-pulls.129282/post-2692184
Steven
https://www.rmweb.co.uk/forums/topic/149419-scotrail-liveried-mk2-coaches-in-the-mid-80s/
Interesting reading
@Steven BA photo
https://www.rmweb.co.uk/forums/topic/429-scottish-region-photos-1980s/page/36/
Evidence of this if scroll around
https://www.flickr.com/photos/davidwf2009/5658317877/
Glasgow Queen Street
Short formation 2D stock
Chris
So now we need another run of 47's with push pull equipment and DBSO's ;)
Quote from: montyburns56 on November 07, 2024, 04:13:28 PMQuote from: Steven B on November 07, 2024, 09:25:21 AMIt'd be really nice if they'd tool the BFK interior and underframe (shared body with the BSO).
Steven B
Yeah, I've got two BSOs to make up for the lack of TSOs, but oddly enough I was thinking the exact same thing yesterday. Although I didn't realise that the underframe is different, I was thinking that I could just add the seating section from a FK and add the yellow stripe. Is the underframe radically different?
The roof vents are different... which is something that I didn't address on my conversion (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=51939.msg841080#msg841080). A Mk 2 FK seating insert should be straightforward (using a Mk 1 interior is less so).
After much searching, I've finally found a photo of a train of Scotrail Mk2a with a DBSO:
https://flic.kr/p/H3SH7G
(1A59 1125 Glasgow Queen Street to Aberdeen 1985)
Much more common was the odd Mk2a in a rake of Mk2d/Mk2e:
https://flic.kr/p/2cNavgk
https://flic.kr/p/dSs9q4
https://flic.kr/p/nK7z2m
Steven B
Quote from: Steven B on November 08, 2024, 09:12:01 AMAfter much searching, I've finally found a photo of a train of Scotrail Mk2a with a DBSO:
https://flic.kr/p/H3SH7G
(1A59 1125 Glasgow Queen Street to Aberdeen 1985)
Much more common was the odd Mk2a in a rake of Mk2d/Mk2e:
https://flic.kr/p/2cNavgk
https://flic.kr/p/dSs9q4
https://flic.kr/p/nK7z2m
Steven B
Nice photo, Bruce Galloway the photographer of this shot is part of the team from SDEG who have been producing various books on Scottish diesels, the one covering the 47/7s and push/pull stock has lots of good info around the coaching stock used https://www.rmweb.co.uk/forums/topic/175789-the-sdeg-scotlands-diesel-fleet-in-detail-volume-3-scotrail-express-the-class-474s/#comment-5532159
On a seperate note the upcoming ScotRail Mk2 374-714 has the same running number (5146) as the ScotRail Mk2 previously released in the twin pack with the Mk1 BG.
I emailed Bachmann to seek conformation and the reply was that the running number of one of the new releases is the same as the previous ScotRail MK2.
Disappointing as there were 5 of these types of Mk2 in ScotRail that I could work out.
Not to worry the wallet will be a little healthier!!
Keith.
were there any mk2a fk in nse livery?
if yes did bwchfar make any?
nice video from queen street as well btw! some nice old dmus in it.
tim
Tim
https://www.rmweb.co.uk/forums/topic/174084-ex-nse-mk2-a-coaches-in-use-with-regional-railways/
374711 TSO
https://www.hattons.co.uk/stocklist/siteresults?search/scales/N/liveries/NSE%20-%20Network%20SouthEast/stockstatus/all
I don't recall a FK in Nse
Only blue grey, maroon. Green and scotrail
Quote from: bluedepot on November 08, 2024, 12:19:19 PMwere there any mk2a fk in nse livery?
if yes did bwchfar make any?
Yes, Mk2a FK could be found in NSE:
https://flic.kr/p/922Sdt
THe Mk2a FK has only been produced in Green. Maroon and Blue/grey to date.
Farish have released the Mk2a BSO and TSO in NSE as part of 370-430 (Capital Connection train pack).
They also released the BSO as 374-682 and TSO as 374-711.
Steven B
thanks for the replies!
my nse rake only has one first class coach (a mk1 fk) so just wondered... its a mix of 5 mk2a and 3 mk1s.
it's handy they are making more blue and grey mk2a anyway so will be adding a few. I currently have 2 tso, 1 fk and 1 bso mk2a in blue grey.
I can mix and match as well to add some blue grey into the nse train.
cheers
tim
On the Scotrail Coaches:
After the introduction of the Class 47/7 Push-pulls a small pool of coaches previously used by the class 27 Push-pulls, enough to form a single rake, was retained as a standby set.
When performance of the both the 47/7 and DBSO proved to be better than expected a peak service was formed using the standby coaches and a spare DBSO.
This at various points operated between Perth or Dunblane to Glasgow or Edinburgh. Whilst running the peak service the coaches were first repainted into Scotrail and then Downgraded with the removal of First class.
With the introduction of Push-pull Services to Aberdeen (Made up of Airconditioned Mk2's) the Standard class coaches joined the First Corridor coach as loose coaches.
There was little slack in the fleet of Standard class airconditioned mk2 coaches used on the Aberdeen trains so the early mk2'swere often used to replace or strengthen these trains or found themselves on the small number of air-braked Scottish services. (Mainly additional runs from Edinburgh or Glasgow to Aberdeen or the Inverness Trains.)
Pictures of the FK are hard to come by and rarer still in a push pull set.
Here is one on a unidentified service to Aberdeen.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/widnes_road/11484687085/in/gallery-151135632@N04-72157683868581784/
The First Corridor was withdrawn and scrapped early on with asbestos being a quoted reason for its early withdrawal.
There was a replacement for the FK but it never gained ScotRail Livery as can be seen here:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/jbg06003/16395886416/in/album-72157711654050801
Quote from: bluedepot on November 08, 2024, 04:13:02 PMthanks for the replies!
my nse rake only has one first class coach (a mk1 fk) so just wondered... its a mix of 5 mk2a and 3 mk1s.
it's handy they are making more blue and grey mk2a anyway so will be adding a few. I currently have 2 tso, 1 fk and 1 bso mk2a in blue grey.
I can mix and match as well to add some blue grey into the nse train.
cheers
tim
I must confess to being tempted by both blue & grey and NSE Mk2a stock (the latter to go with 33117). I wish someone would do a RTR 4TC as well.
I'm really delighted that the Mk.2 stock is returning to the dealers' shelves (and N-Gaugers' layouts), but they're not much use to me as my modelling period stops at 01/11/1963.
My trousers' knees are getting worn out by my praying to the Great (Bach)Mann in the Sky for the re-release of the Bulleid coaches in BR(S) Stock Green, along with Mk.1 stock (for 3-car sets in the 500 series in the Green livery. A MK.1 RKB (in Maroon) would be rather nice, though I know that catering vehicles are not money-makers for manufacturers, and what about a Mk.1 BSO or BFK?
Re-runs of the gorgeous BachFar SR C Class 0-6-0 and the BR 4MT 2-6-4T would, I'm sure, be welcomed. (Mind you, I'm still dreaming of an R-T-R BR 4MT 4-6-0 (with double-chimney options?)...
Hi Cols
A lot of the stuff you want I was lucky enough to get first time round, with the result that I'm now suitably stocked. I found that in the main it has been better to buy stuff as it comes out, plus keeping a good eye on eBay, at shows, and in shops. There are still a lot of bargains out there though, you just have to keep an eye out. The only exception recently was the Birdcage stock, which I paid discounted full whack for as it came out, only to see them be remaindered for £30-£40 less a while back. The same goes for 4CEPs which Hattons couldn't get rid of at £89.
Best of luck with finding what you need. I'd love a 4MT 4-6-0 too, one of the real big omissions in N.
Keep looking and hoping!
Dave
@Cols If you're happy to bid there's a set of Bulleids here........
https://tinyurl.com/ye8atcxz
If they brought out another run of the C class and included the SECR livery one I'd snap one up purely for the looks :drool:
Ouch! Poor old(?) Southern Gooner, paying the "full whack" for the Birdcage set - I got mine from Rails for £79. Mind you, you're absolutely right to recommend keeping an eye on other sources than the "big dealers". However, I don't do E bay - don't like hazarding my basic OAP. I'd really like to get hold of another three Green Mk.1s to make up another BR(S) set for West of England services - I already have Set 518, but there is no hurry, and the BR(S) green Bulleid stock surely must be getting somewhere near the top of the Farish re-release list... I hope!
I wholeheartedly agree with you that the BR 4MT 4-6-0 is a glaring omission from the N-Gauge R-T-R range, but I've now waited sooo veeery long for the Dapol WC/BB (12+ years) that I've learnt to be patient, but at least I've now ordered 34030 "Watersmeet"...
Now all I wish for (in addition to the above!) is a few decent Collett, mid-1930s gangwayed coaches in BR maroon, or crimson and cream, I do rather dislike the 1938 "sunshine" stock from Dapol - out of the three vehicles only the BCK/BTK and SK/TK are accurate; the CK is not, being "descended" from the 1970s Airfix 00 products and inheriting the the same mistake in using the same body as the SK/TK. I must admit that the NGS/Dapol Collett BG is a little beauty.
Quote from: Southerngooner on December 01, 2024, 02:33:58 PMHi Cols
A lot of the stuff you want I was lucky enough to get first time round, with the result that I'm now suitably stocked. I found that in the main it has been better to buy stuff as it comes out, plus keeping a good eye on eBay, at shows, and in shops. There are still a lot of bargains out there though, you just have to keep an eye out. The only exception recently was the Birdcage stock, which I paid discounted full whack for as it came out, only to see them be remaindered for £30-£40 less a while back. The same goes for 4CEPs which Hattons couldn't get rid of at £89.
Best of luck with finding what you need. I'd love a 4MT 4-6-0 too, one of the real big omissions in N.
Keep looking and hoping!
Dave
I totally agree re: the Standard 4MT 4-6-0, loco drive and Next 18/sound enabled, especially given that I will be very surprised to see Farish do any more runs of the 4MT Mogul.
Talking of 47s, having bought a Collectors Club one in the XP64 livery, rather that more of the more recent liveries, what I would like Bachmann to release next to cater for us transition types is one in the original two-tone green livery and the pre-TOPS plain BR blue both of course with the latest chassis and sound. I did mention this to Bachmann earlier this year, and while the omission was acknowledged (it is those two diesel liveries that tend to sell out quickest retailers have told me) to manage expectations I was told there won't be any more 47s for a while.
Birdcage set - absolutely no relevance to the area I model but I bought a BR maroon one, at £74.95 it seemed rude not to at that price - it is exquisite and goes beautifully with my equally lovely sound fitted C Class in BR black :)
Roy