I've just watched SpaceX team successfully catch their launch booster on giant 'chopsticks' live.
First time.
Wow. Just wow!
Quote from: emjaybee on October 13, 2024, 01:44:07 PMI've just watched SpaceX team successfully catch their launch booster on giant 'chopsticks' live.
First time.
Wow. Just wow!
That and the controlled splashdown of the main ship, on target, was properly impressive.
I thought it was pretty darned amazing when they did a Falcon Heavy test four years ago and brought the two boosters down side by side, almost simultaneously - but this latest achievement tops even that.
I don't like Elon Musk at all, but I have to admit throwing money at Space X has turned space flight around.....remarkable stuff from them over recent months and years. Better than Boeing too, although that's not hard at the moment.
Dave
i wonder if any of these will be produced in n gauge ?
Quote from: Bigmac on October 13, 2024, 05:00:27 PMi wonder if any of these will be produced in n gauge ?
Just shy of 20cm tall in N gauge :)
Quote from: zwilnik on October 13, 2024, 06:21:11 PMQuote from: Bigmac on October 13, 2024, 05:00:27 PMi wonder if any of these will be produced in n gauge ?
Just shy of 20cm tall in N gauge :)
What scale is your version of N gauge?
By my calculations (using 2mm/ft) the Super Heavy launcher comes out at 466mm high and the Starship second stage at 330mm high, so a gnat's whisker under 80cm in total.
Quote from: chrism on October 13, 2024, 06:34:21 PMQuote from: zwilnik on October 13, 2024, 06:21:11 PMQuote from: Bigmac on October 13, 2024, 05:00:27 PMi wonder if any of these will be produced in n gauge ?
Just shy of 20cm tall in N gauge :)
What scale is your version of N gauge?
By my calculations (using 2mm/ft) the Super Heavy launcher comes out at 466mm high and the Starship second stage at 330mm high, so a gnat's whisker under 80cm in total.
According to Wikipedia the full stack is 398ft (233ft for the booster and 165ft for the spacecraft)
Quote from: zwilnik on October 13, 2024, 07:16:31 PMQuote from: chrism on October 13, 2024, 06:34:21 PMQuote from: zwilnik on October 13, 2024, 06:21:11 PMQuote from: Bigmac on October 13, 2024, 05:00:27 PMi wonder if any of these will be produced in n gauge ?
Just shy of 20cm tall in N gauge :)
What scale is your version of N gauge?
By my calculations (using 2mm/ft) the Super Heavy launcher comes out at 466mm high and the Starship second stage at 330mm high, so a gnat's whisker under 80cm in total.
According to Wikipedia the full stack is 398ft (233ft for the booster and 165ft for the spacecraft)
Those are the figures I used for my calculations ;)
Your 20cm, at 2mm/ft would equate to only 100 feet tall.
Quote from: chrism on October 13, 2024, 07:37:18 PMQuote from: zwilnik on October 13, 2024, 07:16:31 PMQuote from: chrism on October 13, 2024, 06:34:21 PMQuote from: zwilnik on October 13, 2024, 06:21:11 PMQuote from: Bigmac on October 13, 2024, 05:00:27 PMi wonder if any of these will be produced in n gauge ?
Just shy of 20cm tall in N gauge :)
What scale is your version of N gauge?
By my calculations (using 2mm/ft) the Super Heavy launcher comes out at 466mm high and the Starship second stage at 330mm high, so a gnat's whisker under 80cm in total.
According to Wikipedia the full stack is 398ft (233ft for the booster and 165ft for the spacecraft)
Those are the figures I used for my calculations ;)
Your 20cm, at 2mm/ft would equate to only 100 feet tall.
doh, long day. I divided instead of multiplied :)
In my defence, it *is* rocket science after all :)
its ok guys--i was only extracting the michael
Quote from: zwilnik on October 13, 2024, 08:15:30 PMQuote from: chrism on October 13, 2024, 07:37:18 PMQuote from: zwilnik on October 13, 2024, 07:16:31 PMQuote from: chrism on October 13, 2024, 06:34:21 PMQuote from: zwilnik on October 13, 2024, 06:21:11 PMQuote from: Bigmac on October 13, 2024, 05:00:27 PMi wonder if any of these will be produced in n gauge ?
Just shy of 20cm tall in N gauge :)
What scale is your version of N gauge?
By my calculations (using 2mm/ft) the Super Heavy launcher comes out at 466mm high and the Starship second stage at 330mm high, so a gnat's whisker under 80cm in total.
According to Wikipedia the full stack is 398ft (233ft for the booster and 165ft for the spacecraft)
Those are the figures I used for my calculations ;)
Your 20cm, at 2mm/ft would equate to only 100 feet tall.
doh, long day. I divided instead of multiplied :)
In my defence, it *is* rocket science after all :)
Perhaps it might be wise to get an accountant to do your tax return...
For an old space freak who can remember Sputnik at the age of 5, this is bloody great amazing stuff. :thumbsup:
I would be charged £27.50 to drive into central London due to my emissions (ok so it's actually my car's emissions rather than my own) for the day. With all the emissions I saw when that thing was chopsticked I wonder if Elon Musk has to pay something similar? Aren't we all supposed to be going green? What do we all gain out of these missions?
Apologies if this is too controversial I'll make up for it with a video on my thread soon which will have absolutely no emissions, not even from my blue diesels :thumbsup:
Quote from: Trainfish on October 14, 2024, 12:05:44 AMI would be charged £27.50 to drive into central London due to my emissions (ok so it's actually my car's emissions rather than my own) for the day. With all the emissions I saw when that thing was chopsticked I wonder if Elon Musk has to pay something similar? Aren't we all supposed to be going green? What do we all gain out of these missions?
Apologies if this is too controversial I'll make up for it with a video on my thread soon which will have absolutely no emissions, not even from my blue diesels :thumbsup:
The argument would be incremental improvement through testing things to the limit and accepting failures as opposed to years/decades of theoretical design concepts with no practical trials. From an environmental standpoint the emissions from each launch are huge so I am not saying I agree or disagree but the approach shortens the design/development process substantially.
But what exactly are we, is he, trying to improve? Sorry, I just don't get it, never have but I still have to pay a congestion and ULEZ charge. I understand that charge more and I'm no Greta Thumbnail or whatever she's called either.
I'm gonna build a launch pad on my layout.
@Trainfish has an airfield, after all ;D
Quote from: Bealman on October 14, 2024, 12:51:01 AMI'm gonna build a launch pad on my layout. @Trainfish has an airfield, after all ;D
Ah but you're wrong. I have a flying museum not an airfield, nothing moves so no emissions. So there :P
Quote from: Trainfish on October 14, 2024, 12:32:46 AMBut what exactly are we, is he, trying to improve? Sorry, I just don't get it, never have but I still have to pay a congestion and ULEZ charge. I understand that charge more and I'm no Greta Thumbnail or whatever she's called either.
He's trying to get to Mars.
And as long as he doesn't try to get back again, I'll be happy.
John P
Quote from: jpendle on October 14, 2024, 03:13:43 AMHe's trying to get to Mars.
And as long as he doesn't try to get back again, I'll be happy.
John P
Just hope he doesn't upset too many Martians in the process. Can you imagine them responding in a likely manner?
The Clangers will beat him to it, and are arming up
Quote from: Newportnobby on October 14, 2024, 10:06:16 AMThe Clangers will beat him to it, and are arming up
He could use a (Soup) Dragon capsule :smiley-laughing:
Flight 5 of Starship was indeed an amazing achievement, more so when you consider the timeframe from when they first tested the concept of landing the launch hardware a few years back.
With regards to the "green" aspect that has been mentioned, I think the point has been missed. Yes the "footprint" each launch impacts on pollution as 33 Raptors combust methane and oxygen push this ship into space is large, but this is offset by the fact that both the booster and starship will be recyclable in the same way a bulk of the Falcon 9 rocket is today. Its that recycling and reuse that makes it "greener" than other "competitors", especially as they are not contributing to the amount of space junk orbiting the planet.
Like others, I personally don't like Musk, but SpaceX and the management of the company they have revolutionised commercial spaceflight. Sadly the have also exposed the bias power authorities have whilst seeking the launch licence. The FAA has issued a statement that end of November would be the soonest flight 5 would happen, and yet issued the licence at the 11th hour. Whilst all this was going on, Boeing launched a crew in a crafts second flight which proved near fatal. The craft returned unmanned which was a good call as otherwise the two crew would not have survived... yet the FAA are not investigating Boeing to the same degree as they did SpaceX.
One member posted that he's seen everything from the start with Sputnik, and I'm sure given the speed at which SpaceX are progressing they will also see humans return to the Moon, and possibly set foot on Mars. I seriously feel that the next decade will be an exciting point in history.
Quote from: Bealman on October 13, 2024, 11:42:24 PMFor an old space freak who can remember Sputnik at the age of 5, this is bloody great amazing stuff. :thumbsup:
We were living near to Goonhilly Downs when the Tornadoes released Telstar.
Such excitement for a small boy. :bounce:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZxyN3b1bs-w
Quote from: Beach Halt on October 14, 2024, 01:00:32 PMQuote from: Bealman on October 13, 2024, 11:42:24 PMFor an old space freak who can remember Sputnik at the age of 5, this is bloody great amazing stuff. :thumbsup:
We were living near to Goonhilly Downs when the Tornadoes released Telstar.
Such excitement for a small boy. :bounce:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZxyN3b1bs-w
Great tune!
The first song I ever really loved, at age 5. It's still great, with a wonderful pulsing bass line, great solos and that clavioline sound, really modern then and now.
I was always a space kid, and followed the Gemini and Apollo missions avidly via whatever you got on TV, "Look and Learn" or radio. My scrapbook was full of bits of news......and I was only 12 when we landed on the Moon. No wonder I did well at modern history at school!
Dave
I was 8 years old when it was released and it was also my first ever pop favourite.
I drove my parents mad humming it. :)
Ah yes, I remember my Grandfather playing for me...
...just kiddin'...
...my Dad.
I was -6.
Good tune though!
'Telstar' was, a favourite of mine, too, for many years, and I still have it in a greatest hits CD.
When at college in 1982, a couple of us were discussing music, and I said have you ever heard of Telstar by the Tornadoes.
The reply was 'yes-the drummer is my brother in law'...
Martyn
I of course had to google Telstar due to my age and found that I was minus 2 when it was produced :goggleeyes:
Quote from: Trainfish on October 14, 2024, 08:56:15 PMI of course had to google Telstar due to my age and found that I was minus 2 when it was produced :goggleeyes:
Ha ha, you old git! I was merely minus 6.
:D
Oh, I read that it was released in 1962 not 1952 :D
Quote from: Trainfish on October 14, 2024, 08:56:15 PMI of course had to google Telstar due to my age and found that I was minus 2 when it was produced :goggleeyes:
Same here - in fact the only version I'd heard previously was a cover that The Shadows did nearly 20 years later.
Still a great tune though, whatever the performers.
Sadly there is a tragic backstory to Telstar and the Tornadoes involving a failed copyright lawsuit, a murder and a suicide.
Heinz the German born bassist also had a rough time and died young.