Announced today are:
MK1 POT Mail stowage van (built 1968)
D600/Class41 Diesel Hydraulic (EFE Brand)
https://www.ngaugenews.com/ngaugenews
An excellent announcement for the scale. Neither suitable for myself, sadly, but a good indicator of the Farish view of the health of N Gauge.
There's a second part to the footage we reordered now live on the NGN YouTube channel where we talk about N Gauge more generally and some of Richard's modelling interests:
https://youtu.be/x-CaeJx2hds?si=McCpwSm-vuAm7HH-
Huge thanks to Richard for spending the time doing the recording. We probably could have gone on for longer but we filled the memory cards as it was!
Tom.
wow!
great news on the nbl class 41 warship!
tim
Great news on those 2 models for me, but my wallet is already wailing ;D
I have to say I'm impressed by the attitude of producing very limited class numbers by Bachmann Farish and EFE e.g. the recent superb LMS twins and now this class of only 5 early 'Warships'
It gives me hope for a 'Falcon', 'Kestrel' and 'Lion' yet (fingers crossed emoji) :)
Quote from: Newportnobby on September 14, 2024, 10:16:44 AMGreat news on those 2 models for me, but my wallet is already wailing ;D
I have to say I'm impressed by the attitude of producing very limited class numbers by Bachmann Farish and EFE e.g. the recent superb LMS twins and now this class of only 5 early 'Warships'
It gives me hope for a 'Falcon', 'Kestrel' and 'Lion' yet (fingers crossed emoji) :)
Don't forget DP2!
THe POT might well interest me. Not personally interested in the Warships. Looking at my stock lists I think I have all the diesel locos I need both for Green and Blue era. Though I might upgrade my Cl46 with one, even 2 of the newly announced offerings. I would really like a Cl 105 Cravens DMU in both green and blue. It would upgrade my rather badly made BHE offering. I suggested it to REvolution as unlike the Cl 100 which is also of interest to me, the Cravens were spread widely, but they did not see it as one for them, and explained why. Sad but I do "get it". Still I would not want to divert them from the 120s!
The Warships definitely look interesting. POT a maybe for me, but not an immediate purchase.
I cant help but think that they always seem to focus on big mainline engines but seem to neglect the smaller line locomotives that ran in this country. I'm trying my best not to sound like a grumpy old git but I'm afraid that I am not interested in any of their announcements lately.
:(
There's a sizeable minority of modellers interested in Western Region's production diesel hydraulics and the D600/class 41 fills the last gap in their lineup.
I hope sometime classes 15, 16 (D8400) and 29 appear as RTR.
Quote from: gc4946 on September 14, 2024, 05:09:17 PMThere's a sizeable minority of modellers interested in Western Region's production diesel hydraulics and the D600/class 41 fills the last gap in their lineup.
I hope sometime classes 15, 16 (D8400) and 29 appear as RTR.
Agreed but a double chimney king is also desperately required.
This announcement is most welcome and I look forward to running one through Dawlish Warren with the chocolate and cream coaches and Cornish Riviera headboard.
Quote from: Jollybob on September 14, 2024, 01:28:30 PMI cant help but think that they always seem to focus on big mainline engines but seem to neglect the smaller line locomotives that ran in this country. I'm trying my best not to sound like a grumpy old git but I'm afraid that I am not interested in any of their announcements lately.
:(
Worth watching the full 93 minutes video on YouTube by N gauge need as it is rather good including challenges of what to do.
Graham
Very pleased by the announcement of Post Office Tender vehicles. One or two definitely for Stoneham Yard, assuming they're offered in BR blue & grey.
https://www.ngaugenews.com/post/n-gauge-br-mk-1-pot-post-office-stowage-van-for-graham-farish-range
Livery etc and info. Plus all we need to know
Might be interested in one myself
Quote from: crewearpley40 on September 14, 2024, 09:16:38 PMhttps://www.ngaugenews.com/post/n-gauge-br-mk-1-pot-post-office-stowage-van-for-graham-farish-range
Livery etc and info. Plus all we need to know
Might be interested in one myself
Nothing about liveries being offered there. Mind you, only blue/grey and a couple of variants on the theme of later Royal Mail red are the possibilities I believe.
Just noticed on the photos, the bogies are screwed on, is this a new thing? GF coaches have all been push on pin fixed as far as I am aware up until now.
Looks like 6th November all will be revealed livery wise.i think those will be two options and totally agree with you on the bogies being screwed on
Can anyone tell me what a rake of Post Office vans might have been in the 1970s? i.e. how many POTs, how many POSs, and what other NPCSS might there have been?
Thanks
Bob
Quote from: Bob G on September 15, 2024, 08:56:08 AMCan anyone tell me what a rake of Post Office vans might have been in the 1970s? i.e. how many POTs, how many POSs, and what other NPCSS might there have been?
Thanks
Bob
Just checking but should that not be NPCCS (Non Passenger Carrying Coaching Stock)??
C', you OB's with your SAS's, talking about RS & consists trying to look all cool with your POT's & your POS's & your NPCCS's, are making the rest of us look like ROB's because we're not up on all the ATT's!
SOB's!
:P
Quote from: Bob G on September 15, 2024, 08:56:08 AMCan anyone tell me what a rake of Post Office vans might have been in the 1970s? i.e. how many POTs, how many POSs, and
what other NPCSS might there have been?
Thanks
Bob
I'm not sure if you have seen rmweb or indeed any photos. Formation depended on the post office needs, route taken eg London Scotland, York Bristol, Whitehaven Huddersfield etc.
I tend to look at photos and see what is in any particular rake
Not sure, but isn't there a thread on the Forum somewhere already about Royal Mail formations? Presumably in the Real Railways thread, but don't know.
Martyn
Quote from: martyn on September 15, 2024, 10:03:52 AMNot sure, but isn't there a thread on the Forum somewhere already about Royal Mail formations? Presumably in the
Real Railways thread, but don't know.
Martyn
I could not see anything
Maybe wrong
I did see this book
https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?
topic=55313.msg734947#msg7349
https://shop.keypublishing.com/products/modelling-br-parcels-and-mail-trains?srsltid=AfmBOooR4xUhhCrUgAH_dO0IVva8vv6zmp9LJUPgXrUZ
v09OjMIvyNLX
Bruce
https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?
topic=36440.msg675433#msg675433
On his layout Peterhampton
Also
https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=42075.msg521408#msg521408
Hope this helps Martyn
Quote from: crewearpley40 on September 15, 2024, 10:17:32 AMhttps://shop.keypublishing.com/products/modelling-br-parcels-and-mail-trains?srsltid=AfmBOooR4xUhhCrUgAH_dO0IVva8vv6zmp9LJUPgXrUZ
v09OjMIvyNLX
Had a look through my copy and no details there
From the 1972 timetables:
19:32 Bristol to Newcastle
GUV BG BG BG CK SLC POS POT POS POT BG
(Note Mk1 CK and sleeper in formation!)
20:30 Euston to Glasgow/Aberdeen
BG BG POT POS POS POT POS POS POS POT POT BG
22:45 Euston to Carlisle
BG BG POT POS POS POS POS POS BG
19:05 Glasgow to Euston
POT POS POS POT POS POT POS POS POS POS POT POT
(no BG which is unusual!)
22:25 Paddintgon to Penzance
GUV GUV BPOT POS POT POS POS BPOT Siphon-G GUV Siphon-G
Only 40 POT (stowage) vans were built - compared to 96 sorting vans. You'd also typically only find the POT on the longer distance TPO trains. Huddersfield to Workington generally only had POS and BG.
Looking at the formations above I'd suggest BG POS POT POS BG would be a reasonable starting point, with extra vans or passenger coaches added as the mood takes you. The BR(W) train features GWR Siphon G vans so don't worry about adding pre-nationalisation stock. Thompson, Stanier or Hawksworth BG would undoubtedly be seen.
Steven B
Great info, Steven.
Ta muchly
Quote from: Newportnobby on September 15, 2024, 10:44:42 AMGreat info, Steven.
Ta muchly
Steven that's appreciated
The Workington service often connected with London/ Scotland services and was short in formation
As mick says much appreciated.
Hi
What's a BPOT? Or was that a typo?
Cheers
Tim
It's a Brake/Guard compartment equipped POT
Quote from: bluedepot on September 15, 2024, 11:32:21 AMHi
What's a BPOT? Or was that a typo?
Cheers
Tim
There's a brake post office tender BPOT
https://www.lightstraw.uk/gpo/tpo/nvr/vans1.html
Nene Valley Railway
https://www.flickr.com/photos/55223176@N03/12743557974/
Peter Skuce
Quote from: martyn on September 15, 2024, 10:03:52 AMNot sure, but isn't there a thread on the Forum somewhere already about Royal Mail formations? Presumably in the Real Railways thread, but don't know.
Martyn
There's this one:
https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=54133.msg714327#msg714327
Tony
Thanks that's the comprehensive helpful link with photos. Appreciated
thanks crewearpley did not know that re the bpot!
how many bpots were there?
tim
Tim
https://www.world-of-railways.co.uk/news/graham-farish-announces-new-post-office-tender-stowage-van-in-n-gauge/
Model details I link above
https://www.rmweb.co.uk/forums/topic/91495-blog-general-coach-works-making-a-bpot-diagram-723/
http://eastbank.org.uk/br_coaches.htm
Photos scroll down
I believe BH enterprises did a kit
https://www.rmweb.co.uk/forums/topic/175304-n-gauge-tpo-pos-pot-bpot/
@StevenB
Ten I believe. Article should help
Diagram 732. York 1968
8 types were constructed
This is D. 732
https://railsofsheffield.com/blogs/news/graham-farish-announce-newly-tooled-pot-coaches?srsltid=AfmBOor2GB45WkbiMHDBlBQDY1Iqdao-_OkcFAIydJsQPnAf3giSUUsL
Has info
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brake_Post_Office_stowage_van
Cheers Chris
Barmpots are well known oop North :D
Quote from: gc4946 on September 14, 2024, 05:09:17 PMI hope sometime classes 15, 16 (D8400) and 29 appear as RTR.
I am all for a Class 21/29
GE
It seems these days that the BR blue era is lagging behind. What i'd like to see from Farish is a blue class 47 With headcodes both pre TOPS and TOPS for those modelling the late 60's/early 70's. The body shell is there already, just needs a re-livery in blue. Perhaps this is one for Kernow to produce in a limited run?
Have you thought about undertaking a re-paint yourself or maybe commissioning a third party to do it for you. It'd probably get done a lot quicker than waiting for it to be produced commercially, that's if that ever happens.
Quote from: earlbazza on September 24, 2024, 11:27:40 PMIt seems these days that the BR blue era is lagging behind. What i'd like to see from Farish is a blue class 47 With headcodes both pre TOPS and TOPS for those modelling the late 60's/early 70's. The body shell is there already, just needs a re-livery in blue. Perhaps this is one for Kernow to produce in a limited run?
All aspects of the blue transition era are generally ignored by manufacturers, not just Farish.
1965-1968 - blue, non TOPS, D prefix
1968-1974 - blue, non TOPS, no D prefix
1974-1976 - blue, TOPS, headcodes
There were quite a few anomalies within the dates above, they are just general indicators
Finding anything blue with non TOPS numbering is uncommon, with the obvious exception of the WR hydraulics. I have a vague recollection that Dapol were going to do a non-TOPS Class 33 in blue, but it never appeared.
TBF - Rapido are planning a couple of pre_TOPS blue Class 45s
As per ******* usual no Southern steam
Quote from: Dorsetmike on September 25, 2024, 12:14:32 PMAs per ******* usual no Southern steam
To be fair Mike there is a brand new unrebuilt BoB/West Country that is due for release next year from Dapol, EP seen so it is coming. Not too long ago Farish released a sound upgrade to the N Class too and Dapol updated the M7. In recent memory we had the exquisite Farish C Class and "Birdcage" stock too.
Dapol Schools and Terrier remain available if you shop around too.
There has been talk of the Q1 being upgraded to loco drive at some point, although obviously that isn't confirmed.
I guess all modellers of the "Big 4" (or BR derivatives thereof) will, since the demise of Union Mills, see a lot more gaps than there were and some of those locos will never appear RTR again.
As an BR Eastern Region modeller pickings are also quite thin, albeit the new tool V2 from Farish has cheered quite a few people up as has the announcement of a J72 from Dapol and Robinson A5 from Sonic.
A question of being patient I guess..
Regards
Roy
Quote from: GlenEglise on September 15, 2024, 10:54:40 PMQuote from: gc4946 on September 14, 2024, 05:09:17 PMI hope sometime classes 15, 16 (D8400) and 29 appear as RTR.
I am all for a Class 21/29
GE
I would love to have RTR of these. Essential for my Scottish themes. Revolution I think it was, did a survey to establish interest and there was insufficient take up. They were exploring producing both. I recall the Class 29 was nearest to being followed up, but even that was short of the required numbers.
I can't see a class 16 emerging as there were only 10 of them and all based at Stratford. The class 15 stands a better chance as there were 44 of them, although I don't think they moved out of Norfolk/Suffolk. Still, the Twins have been done so there's hope yet
Quote from: Newportnobby on September 25, 2024, 03:23:31 PMI can't see a class 16 emerging as there were only 10 of them and all based at Stratford. The class 15 stands a better chance as there were 44 of them, although I don't think they moved out of Norfolk/Suffolk. Still, the Twins have been done so there's hope yet
That's because the twins came to the Southern region for a bit of sunny weather in the early 1950s.
That's where they got their tan with the white stripes lol.
When they went back up north they turned green.
Bob
I've done a post before somewhere here , but a quick recap.
The 16s were all Stratford, but did escape to the SR on cross London freights, even getting there via Liverpool Street (reverse) and then East London line tunnel towards New Cross. At least one also took an advertised excursion from the Cambridge line to the SR. I've seen photos of them in North London on the Cambridge line, but none North of Stratford on the Colchester line, though they may have gone further.
The 15s were mainly ex GER section, but a number were at Finsbury Park for empty stock. One was allocated for at least a short time at Toton, but possibly only on trials. The first ten initial went to Devon Road (Bow, east London). They worked many East Anglia branches. They did take summer excursions, and possibly local passenger, but had no steam heat.
They did double headers to March and also Coltishall. They also worked cross London freight, also a pair at least once on an Adex to Brighton.
Martyn