V2s
Hawksworth coaches
That was all unless I missed something!
Tim
No that's it.
I suppose a "lighter" quarter was due, even if it does include a brand new tool steam loco.
Plenty of liveries / variation in the Hawksworths as well.
Hopefully this will be of use to those who model such things.
Skyline2uk
Nothing for me, but I think that we've done pretty well this year.
Agreed, we've done pretty well this year. Nice to see the maroon Hawkesworths back and those BR Green V2s look lovely.
£187 for a V2. Ouch. Plus the cost of a zimo dcc chip, it's not massively far off to go for sound!
Mind you, I haven't purchased a Loco in 2-3 years as I lost interest, so I've not seen the inflation first hand. Maybe this is a fair price? That way I can justify ordering one ;D
I'll be ordering the RTC's for my set without a doubt.
i guess it is maybe just me , so you bring out a bring new LNER loco , but do a run of GWR coaches. the randomness of these announcements from Bachmann always make me wonder.
we must be due another run of the C CLASS sometime soon as its been 5 years since the last , and on a positive i like that you get more second class coaches on a run, but now its 2 of everything , brakes, buffets , firsts. ok you cant please everyone but trains are not normally 2 of every type.
Sorry, but I've reached breaking point with Farish's pricing.
I'll pre order a V2 green late crest and, if I don't get any Rails vouchers for my birthday, I'll then cancel it. At what point do we stipulate whether we want traction tyres fitted? If we have to do it ourselves then that's just another non-no for me.
Likewise, I'll not pay over 40 quid for a coach. I already own ½ a dozen Hawksworths from the first run.
I guess I'll just have to wait and see what doesn't get sold and see if there are further discounts.
It's all getting a bit silly ::)
Quote from: Newportnobby on August 07, 2024, 03:06:53 PMSorry, but I've reached breaking point with Farish's pricing.
I'll pre order a V2 green late crest and, if I don't get any Rails vouchers for my birthday, I'll then cancel it. At what point do we stipulate whether we want traction tyres fitted? If we have to do it ourselves then that's just another non-no for me.
Likewise, I'll not pay over 40 quid for a coach. I already own ½ a dozen Hawksworths from the first run.
I guess I'll just have to wait and see what doesn't get sold and see if there are further discounts.
It's all getting a bit silly ::)
Hi Mick
Speaking for myself, based on the RRP of the sound-upgraded Standard 5MT (£289.95 from memory), I was fully expecting the RRP for the sound fitted V2s to be somewhere comfortably over £300 and so paying £280 each for the pair I have just pre-ordered was within about £20 of what I had budgeted. I wouldn't be prepared to pay that much for any old loco, but the V2 is a loco central to my new layout and a real favourite so I am content to.
I don't think there is any point in complaining about the prices we are now seeing, they just reflect the increased cost of making such models these days, people need to make a profit to survive but nobody in the supply chain is getting super rich. They are after all made in small quantities with much manual labour involved so unit cost will inevitably be high given the small production batches. It is just the same in OO - the humble new tool 08 in "Deluxe" guise that is sound fitted with the DCC uncoupling system has a RRP of £364.95!!
As to traction tyres, the V2 will come with the tyred wheelset fitted, the option is to swap that out for a plain wheelset that comes in the accessory pack should anybody wish to. I am told that the new V2 with tyres fitted will pull 30 coaches on the level and 20 up an incline which is light years away from the feeble performance of the 2004 model.
Roy
Quote from: nobby on August 07, 2024, 02:14:33 PMi guess it is maybe just me , so you bring out a bring new LNER loco , but do a run of GWR coaches. the randomness of these announcements from Bachmann always make me wonder.
we must be due another run of the C CLASS sometime soon as its been 5 years since the last , and on a positive i like that you get more second class coaches on a run, but now its 2 of everything , brakes, buffets , firsts. ok you cant please everyone but trains are not normally 2 of every type.
There have been recent runs of both Thompson and Mk1 coaches by Farish and they are readily available so, along with Gresleys from Dapol and freight stock from a variety of manufacturers there is already plenty available for a V2 to pull.
Regards
Roy
Quote from: Roy L S on August 07, 2024, 04:13:04 PMQuote from: Newportnobby on August 07, 2024, 03:06:53 PMSorry, but I've reached breaking point with Farish's pricing.
I'll pre order a V2 green late crest and, if I don't get any Rails vouchers for my birthday, I'll then cancel it. At what point do we stipulate whether we want traction tyres fitted? If we have to do it ourselves then that's just another non-no for me.
Likewise, I'll not pay over 40 quid for a coach. I already own ½ a dozen Hawksworths from the first run.
I guess I'll just have to wait and see what doesn't get sold and see if there are further discounts.
It's all getting a bit silly ::)
I wouldn't be prepared to pay that much for any old loco, but the V2 is a loco central to my new layout and a real favourite so I am content to.
As to traction tyres, the V2 will come with the tyred wheelset fitted, the option is to swap that out for a plain wheelset that comes in the accessory pack should anybody wish to.
Hi Roy,
Therein lies the rub. I purchased the old V2 on the spurious (feeble) premise a V2 could have come along the Varsity Line from Cambridge to Oxford, but a V2 is not a 'must have' unlike the upcoming Dapol BoB and GWR Mogul.
Thanks for the info on the tyred wheelset. I'm still trying to get my mind round why anyone would
not want traction tyres ???
Quote from: Newportnobby on August 07, 2024, 05:06:33 PMQuote from: Roy L S on August 07, 2024, 04:13:04 PMQuote from: Newportnobby on August 07, 2024, 03:06:53 PMSorry, but I've reached breaking point with Farish's pricing.
I'll pre order a V2 green late crest and, if I don't get any Rails vouchers for my birthday, I'll then cancel it. At what point do we stipulate whether we want traction tyres fitted? If we have to do it ourselves then that's just another non-no for me.
Likewise, I'll not pay over 40 quid for a coach. I already own ½ a dozen Hawksworths from the first run.
I guess I'll just have to wait and see what doesn't get sold and see if there are further discounts.
It's all getting a bit silly ::)
I wouldn't be prepared to pay that much for any old loco, but the V2 is a loco central to my new layout and a real favourite so I am content to.
As to traction tyres, the V2 will come with the tyred wheelset fitted, the option is to swap that out for a plain wheelset that comes in the accessory pack should anybody wish to.
Hi Roy,
Therein lies the rub. I purchased the old V2 on the spurious (feeble) premise a V2 could have come along the Varsity Line from Cambridge to Oxford, but a V2 is not a 'must have' unlike the upcoming Dapol BoB and GWR Mogul.
Thanks for the info on the tyred wheelset. I'm still trying to get my mind round why anyone would not want traction tyres ???
I would suggest that a much more likely premise for a V2 finding it's way to Oxford would be from the Great Central via Woodford Halse/Culworth Junction across on the GW/GC Joint line to Banbury and onward. That was the route the York/Bournemouth expresses took right up to the closure of the GC. Woodford Halse had an allocation of them (I believe up to the very early 60s) and even after that York's V2s continued to work down the GC to the yards there, so a through freight with the loco continuing and coming off at Oxford may also be sufficiently credible under "Rule 1". It is said that Woodford Halse shed staff would often "borrow" a York V2 off an incoming freight and use it for a while before returning it, with their 6ft 2 inch driving wheels and sharp acceleration they were a perfect loco for the GC and much respected by it's crews.
Roy
Well I have been very pleased with the releases over the last year and have kept me poor and poorer with every quarterly announcement.
This time, however, only the tank wagon set is likely to be heading my way. Maybe at TINGS if one of the stands has them on a show special.
A bit of a relief really, as I need to find money for points and point motors, etc.
Still, I can also be happy for those who are delighted to see the new stuff that I don't want and who are, I'm sure, thinking "at last !".
Of course, I do need those Royal Train Packs just announced and they are also Graham Farish.
Quote from: snitchthebudgie on August 07, 2024, 01:14:10 PMNothing for me, but I think that we've done pretty well this year.
Likewise.
You'd also like to think, based on their approach so far this year that there'll be something announced in September with EPs at TINGS and liveries in the Winter announcements
Rob
Just to add that Green Arrow is also available:
https://locomotionmodels.com/exclusives/future-releases/n-gauge-lner-v2-green-arrow/dcc-ready-n-gauge-lner-v2-green-arrow
You never know the more Hawksworth's may mean more castles coming ????
Quote from: Roy L S on August 07, 2024, 04:13:04 PMAs to traction tyres, the V2 will come with the tyred wheelset fitted, the option is to swap that out for a plain wheelset that comes in the accessory pack should anybody wish to.
@Roy L S Roy, can I ask where you get that info from as, and I quote from BachFar's website......
With electrical pickup from the driving wheels and tender wheels and the option to have traction tyres fitted to one driving wheelset, this new V2 is on a steady footing as soon as it hits the rails.[/b]
.....it does not read to me as if the loco comes as standard with traction tyres fitted :confused1:
Very dear V2, thinking I might hang onto my old one after all. Want to get hold of some collectors club items but the website mentioned for non members doesn't exist...
Quote from: Newportnobby on August 07, 2024, 08:04:44 PMQuote from: Roy L S on August 07, 2024, 04:13:04 PMAs to traction tyres, the V2 will come with the tyred wheelset fitted, the option is to swap that out for a plain wheelset that comes in the accessory pack should anybody wish to.
@Roy L S
Roy, can I ask where you get that info from as, and I quote from BachFar's website......
With electrical pickup from the driving wheels and tender wheels and the option to have traction tyres fitted to one driving wheelset, this new V2 is on a steady footing as soon as it hits the rails.
.....it does not read to me as if the loco comes as standard with traction tyres fitted :confused1:
It was Bachmann's very own Richard Proudman who confirmed it to me in response to a query I raised with them.
Plus also, if you look further down the piece you have quoted from under "specification" is says: -
"Optional traction tyres fitted to the rear driving wheels (replacement wheelset without traction tyres supplied in the accessory pack)"Regards
Roy
Quote from: class8mikado on August 07, 2024, 08:24:58 PMVery dear V2, thinking I might hang onto my old one after all. Want to get hold of some collectors club items but the website doesn't exist...
It does, it is here: -
https://www.bachmann-collectorsclub.co.uk/
I am assuming you are a member, in which case just log in using your username and password and the collectors club models can then be accessed under the tab "Club Products", then "N Scale Products", then "Locomotives" or "rolling stock".
Not a member. Found the link and On a more carefully look it actually does work but there are no n gauge products listed...
Thanks, Roy.
Green late crest 'Durham Light Infantry' ordered on the basis my rellies (what's left of them) get me vouchers for my upcoming birthday
Quote from: class8mikado on August 07, 2024, 08:48:30 PMNot a member. Found the link and On a more carefully look it actually does work but there are no n gauge products listed...
https://www.bachmann-collectorsclub.co.uk/category/collectors-club/n-scale-products/n-scale-rolling-stock
Out of the V2s planned I'm most interested in early crest lined black 60845.
It was briefly allocated at Woodford Halse 1950-51 then on loan for two spells to the Western Region 1952-53 https://www.brdatabase.info/locoqry.php?action=locodata&type=S&id=602202046&loco=4816
Hope 4771/60800 Green Arrow makes an appearance sometime!
@gc4946 please see reply #13
Quote from: gc4946 on August 07, 2024, 09:32:09 PMHope 4771/60800 Green Arrow makes an appearance sometime!
It already has - unsurprisingly a Locomotion Special edition... ;)
https://locomotionmodels.com/exclusives/future-releases/n-gauge-lner-v2-green-arrow/dcc-ready-n-gauge-lner-v2-green-arrow
I guess my "needs" are such that I have not been over stretched this year. Some maroon Thompsons being the main purchase. If I go for a V2 it will be the BR black. But for the use I make of my early version - mainly the fish train from Cromarty, not sure I can justify it. On the club layout, my Farish Mk 1s, Thompsons, and Dapol Gresleys mean I have plenty of options to give it a run.
Quote from: Newportnobby on August 07, 2024, 09:14:15 PMQuote from: class8mikado on August 07, 2024, 08:48:30 PMNot a member. Found the link and On a more carefully look it actually does work but there are no n gauge products listed...
https://www.bachmann-collectorsclub.co.uk/category/collectors-club/n-scale-products/n-scale-rolling-stock
Nope that's the collectors club (members) page
Quote from: class8mikado on August 08, 2024, 03:28:08 PMQuote from: Newportnobby on August 07, 2024, 09:14:15 PMQuote from: class8mikado on August 07, 2024, 08:48:30 PMNot a member. Found the link and On a more carefully look it actually does work but there are no n gauge products listed...
https://www.bachmann-collectorsclub.co.uk/category/collectors-club/n-scale-products/n-scale-rolling-stock
Nope that's the collectors club (members) page
But the point is you can't buy Collectors Club products unless you are a member and to do that you have to register and pay your £39. Then you can log in and place an order.
Quote from: Roy L S on August 08, 2024, 03:30:06 PMBut the point is you can't buy Collectors Club products unless you are a member and to do that you have to register and pay your £39. Then you can log in and place an order.
No longer true. Non-members can now buy club items 'at full retail price'.
Quote from: Yet_Another on August 08, 2024, 03:33:37 PMQuote from: Roy L S on August 08, 2024, 03:30:06 PMBut the point is you can't buy Collectors Club products unless you are a member and to do that you have to register and pay your £39. Then you can log in and place an order.
No longer true. Non-members can now buy club items 'at full retail price'.
Really? Well I'll be blowed, I don't recall seeing that anywhere, I have just renewed my membership at the start of this week too!
I thought the whole point of a Collectors Club was to have exclusive products that nobody else could buy, but yes I can now see two prices quoted.
My apologies
@class8mikado for the incorrect information.
Roy
I've just renewed mine too and was a bit surprised to pick this up, from the announcement video I think.
On one hand it seems that all the recent club locos are still available, including sound versions where appropriate, so this may be a way of ensuring future club models are viable, but this way they might as well be in the main range. The extra 15% off helps but it still means 2-3 loco purchases to make it pay off. Yes there's the wagon too but I don't think any of mine have been out of the box and the quarterly mag provides news that's pretty soon in the public domain.
It may have been more reasonable to have a period of exclusivity for a few months before they are available to all once the members have a chance to get in first
Collectors club models can be purchased by non members at :
https://bachmann-spares.co.uk/page/exclusive-models
That part of the site is new, so the N Gauge section doesn't have anything yet, but an email to them will get you a response.
In the mean time, this site has the news and the link I posted above, at the bottom of the page :
https://www.ngaugenews.com/post/n-gauge-lner-v2-and-coaching-stock-liveries-revealed-in-bachmann-graham-farish-autumn-announcements
I am not a member though I have been tempted a couple of times but struggle to see it as value for money. I think offering the Club models to club members only, for a few months at least, entirely reasonable. Thinking that the run lengths required to get a decent unit cost to Club members is now higher and this way of shifting the overs will encourage members not to prevaricate and is slightly fairer than them slipping Out the back door to Rails, TMC etc
some poor quality pictures but sharing anyway
the hawksworth coaches look rather nice
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