Over recent years I've been working on making all my trains more prototypical. Modelling the late 1980s I'm quite luck that most of what I'd like to run has been produced (but perhaps not in the liveries I like!).
There are still some gaps - plenty of them, but I've been giving some thought to what's the most important. The result is my minimal wish list of models either never produced, or not produced to current standards - one wagon, one coach and one loco/multiple unit.
Wagon: HEA
Coach: Mk2 BFK (C or D)
Loco/MU: Class 110
What would be on your minimal wish list?
As a "Brucie bonus" you can add one re-livery of an existing model - a rail freight grey class 47 please!
Steven B
do you mean general grey? (engineers grey?)
i would like class 25/3s
plenty of wagons i would like but not really essential for an 80s layout as lots of options already exist
for a re-livery id go for a new 31 in dutch
tim
If you are complaining about items on your wish list being unavailable just think what it must be like for those of us trying to model the Southern in 1930s, no 4-6-0s RTR and only 2 available as kits and with Union Mills closed we lost 2 0-6-0s and a 4-4-0, not much pre WW2 Schools, N class 2-6-0, M7 and Terrier and a couple of ex SECR; but just about every version of Bulleids pacifics
loco = unrebuilt LMS Royal Scot 4-6-0
coach = LMS Stanier 50' kitchen car
wagon = Lancashire & Yorkshire Railway 20 ton double end door mineral wagon
Loco - ex-SECR D1/E1/L1
Coach - BR EPB
Wagon - LMS vans
Dave
Loco - BR Class 21/29
Coach - Stanier Composite Porthole 60'
Wagon - PTA Thompson Mag Lie Carnegie Montrose Side-ttipping wagon
Re-Livery - New tool Class 47 - BR ScotRail Intercity Red Livery
GE
Loco - LNER/BR V2 to modern standards with sound etc.
Coach - LNER/BR Gresley Suburban(s)
Wagon - Ex LNER Pigeon Van
Re-livery - New tool Class 47 - BR two tone green
Loco - GWR 517 class
Coach - GWR four wheel coaches
Wagon - GWR horsebox
Re-livery: SECR C class in southern lined green goods livery.
MU: Pressed Steel 3 car, later TOPS 117
Coach: Any GWR dining/restaurant still in use in the early 1960s
Wagon: GWR shunters runner
Loco-LNER A1/1
Wagon-Belmond British Pullman full consist
Loco - GWR 10XX County Class
Coach - Gresley Full Brake
Wagon - Palvan
Loco - Falcon
Coach - Gresley full brake
Wagon - RTR Palvan
Loco - GWR 850 class saddle tank.
Coach - LMS MTU test coach.
Wagon - LNER banana brake van.
Loco - SDJR 7F 2-8-0
Coach - Mark 3B Pullman
Wagon - Banana van
Bonus livery - 37/4 in Intercity mianline
Quote from: Jollybob on April 26, 2024, 12:10:10 PMLoco - GWR 850 class saddle tank.
Coach - LMS MTU test coach.
Wagon - LNER banana brake van.
What's a banana brake van, please?
Martyn
Quote from: martyn on April 26, 2024, 02:06:34 PMQuote from: Jollybob on April 26, 2024, 12:10:10 PMLoco - GWR 850 class saddle tank.
Coach - LMS MTU test coach.
Wagon - LNER banana brake van.
What's a banana brake van, please?
Martyn
A 3D print with curved chassis? :-X
Please no cheating with complete trains (except MUs!) or swapping wagons for extra locos!
It's interesting to see the responses so far - possibly more telling than a generic wish-list which I'm sure would run to dozens of models for most of us!
S.
I'm probably going to get a lot of grief for this for being wrong.
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/141/4601-260424152449.jpeg)
But I call it a banana brake van.
Quote from: Jollybob on April 26, 2024, 03:27:00 PMI'm probably going to get a lot of grief for this for being wrong.
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/141/4601-260424152449.jpeg)
But I call it a banana brake van.
Never seen or heard of it, but a wonderful quirky piece of rolling stock!
Sorry for doubting you....
Martyn
Okay, I'll go for:
Locomotive: Class 87
Wagon: Imerys TEA china clay slurry tank
Carriage: Mk2e chair car and Mk2f lounge to run with Mk3 sleepers (this would obviously be a twin pack, so it only counts as one!)
Jim
Loco - ex-LMS Garratt
Coach - n/a
Wagon - Prestwin
Loco: Class 81
Coach: Mk2Cs
Wagon: FFA/FGA bookset
Re-livery: Farish 37/4 in IC Mainline as per Manchester club trains so 415, 416, 417, 419, 426 or 430.
Class 81
Class 85
AC Electric 304 / 310
Loco CL195/CL331
Coach meh!
Wagon FCA container flat
John P
Quote from: Steven B on April 25, 2024, 01:28:11 PMOver recent years I've been working on making all my trains more prototypical. Modelling the late 1980s I'm quite luck that most of what I'd like to run has been produced (but perhaps not in the liveries I like!).
There are still some gaps - plenty of them, but I've been giving some thought to what's the most important. The result is my minimal wish list of models either never produced, or not produced to current standards - one wagon, one coach and one loco/multiple unit.
Wagon: HEA
Coach: Mk2 BFK (C or D)
Loco/MU: Class 110
What would be on your minimal wish list?
As a "Brucie bonus" you can add one re-livery of an existing model - a rail freight grey class 47 please!
Steven B
Locomotive: class 117 DMU
Carriage: Mark 3 TRFB
Wagon: FEA container flat (modern tooling, not the Poole era Farish type which I have)
Hmm, tough one...
Loco: LMS Garrett
Coach: Not sure what it's called, the type of coach used in push-pull trains, with a driver's cab. In LMS livery.
Wagon: no idea, haven't researched freight yet
Oh go on the, can't do any harm:
Locomotive: LNER V1/3 (big gap in N for a large LNER passenger tank, and already exists in 4mm)
Carriage: Ideally NER clerestory non-corridor as also used in Scotland and East Anglia. At a push a generic Bain one which could also be issued in midland/LMS livery.
Wagon: really can't think of any.
Relivery: Nope.
A Beatles train like Hornby have released in OO :)
Loco - LSWR king Arthur (Assuming we don't count the underdeveloped Dapol West Country/BoB.
Coach - MK1 BSO
Wagon - GWR wooden bodied tool van
Loco- class 81
coach- Mk2 pullmans
Wagon- FFA? FGA? container flats
With latest Revolution announcement a big item is crossed off in the form of WIAs (never essential, just cool).
But I will play:
Loco: Class 455
Coach: Pass, unless you count re-releases of TSOs to make them more common.
Wagon: PHY/JYA Yeomans (purely to add variety and make more prototypical rakes for the 59s).
Bonus Re-livery: Swallow Class 47/8 (come on Farish this shouldn't be a big ask!)
Skyline2uk
Loco - GWR Metro tank
Coach - Any GWR Kitchen or Restaurant coach.
Coach 2 (as I can't think of a wagon) GWR Sleeper stock.
Quote from: scruff on April 27, 2024, 10:25:53 PMLoco- class 81
coach- Mk2 pullmans
Wagon- FFA? FGA? container flats
Agree
@scruff Essential wcml stock. An 85 be nice. Yes correct FFA and FGA flats
From a (potential) layout point of view, there is little that I would need/like that hasn't been done for one set in the Scottish Highlands in the 80s. Still, there's always rule one....
Layout based:
Loco: As mentioned upthread a Red Stripe 47 with ScotRail branding. Although I have an old GF 47487 as a donor test for having a go myself.
Coach: Anything with ScotRail branding in either B/G, ScotRail blue stripe or the later version thats not been done.
Wagon: Without doubt the OTA
Rule One:
Loco: I suppose Rapido might get to it eventually but I'd have 97403 Ixion (Class 46)
Coach: Dapol Gresley buffet in B/G even though it wouldn't be totally correct.
Wagon: don't know...
Hi
Locomotive : Class 76
Coach : Mk1 RKB
Wagon : Petroleum Coke Hopper
Cheers
Paul
Been racking my brains on this one for a while.
All I can really come up with that would have me throwing fistfuls of cash is a 442.
Here is my list.
Loco: 0-4-0ST Peckett
Coach: SECR Genesis coaches (4-wheel)
Wagon: OTA
For a new repaint, I would go for the class 37418 in Loram livery.
(I am lucky Dapol is already planning a class 56 in DCR livery.)
Quote from: njee20 on April 28, 2024, 11:35:17 PMBeen racking my brains on this one for a while.
All I can really come up with that would have me throwing fistfuls of cash is a 442.
I did look at seeing if a 442 would be possible, using the existing Dapol Mk3 as a base. By the time all the mods had been carried out, it would be just as expensive as new tooling.
In the current climate, I cannot see this happening. The resulting train would be lovely but very expensive!
Yes, not surprised at all; unique plug-door mk3s with external yaw dampers, different bogies, the MBLS as a totally unique coach (and two different variants thereof) with different underframe.
I think the fact it uses mk3 coaches is almost moot - I can't see much being reusable from an existing tooling.
For a SR EMU they're fairly versatile though; could ignore the original MBLS, and then you've got minimal variation (cab front cable covers on/off) and 6 potential livery variations, nice wide geographical spread, with plenty of drags away from the 3rd rail too.
Anyway, apologies for the tangent, that's just my thought, no part of me is surprised they've not been done!
This has made a realise I have 1 to many projects on the go and so little focus.
Locomotive: 1950's Railbus
There are more practical suggestions which I think will come eventually like the Class 170 or items which would be more useful to me like the class 73/9 but going with my heart I think the technology (Onboard DCC and stay alive) makes the little 4 wheeler chassis viable and it would be a impressive model if done right.
My preference would be Park Royal (Operating on both London Midland and Scottish Regions). As long as it operated in Scotland I would be happy. (Which I think only rules out the Waggon und Maschinenbau Railbus). Alternatively maybe the Wickham Railbus would be a stronger choice despite only operating in passenger service in Scotland as consideration could be made to see what was required to also tool up the Elliot Track Recorder.
Coach: Mk2d TSO
I do like jamespetts suggestion of the "Mark 3 TRFB", A 3 windowed buffet car would be a good addition and allow me to swap out the 4 window form something more fitting.
The MK2 brakes (2e BUO, 2a BFK, 2d BFK) are all tempting but I drop them down my Wishlist only because I can work around the lack of them. My choice is a Mk2d TSO as it would be the most numerous one I would buy in ScotRail Express, Intercity Executive and EWS Business.
I have converted a 2F TSO into a 2D TSOT but I would rather buy RTR than do that conversion another 12+ times.
Wagon: VDA
I Would support a modern HEA and RTR OTA wagons have always been appealing.
I like GlenEglise's suggestion of the "PTA Thompson Mag Lime Carnegie Montrose Side-tipping wagon". Sticking with the same theme I picked something different.
Repaint: Class 66 Royal Scotsman
Scotrail Class 47/7 is top of my list but feels a wasted choice as it has been done, I am just being greedy and wanting more. I have instead picked something I don't believe has ever been done despite 3 manufacturers.
Loco S&D 7F 2-8-0
Coach LMS Restaurant Car on 6 wheel bogies
Wagon LMS 6 wheel fish van
Good choices Bulleidman.
However, a 50' kitchen car would be more practical than a restaurant car as Farish already have the chassis and the bogies.
Quote from: joe cassidy on April 29, 2024, 08:45:11 PMGood choices Bulleidman.
However, a 50' kitchen car would be more practical than a restaurant car as Farish already have the chassis and the bogies.
Actually, adding a 68' 6-axle Restaurant car would also allow them to use the same chassis for a number of sleeper car designs. A 50' RK would be great too, though.
The 68' restaurant car would have more play value than the kitchen car as the kitchen cars were generally sandwiched between first, third or composite open coaches whereas the restaurant cars were often picked up or dropped off en route at either end of a train.
I have kit-built models of both but I would love to replace them with rtr versions.
Loco S&D 7F 2-8-0
Coach LMS Porthole
Wagon None in particular as have too many
Loco: NBL Class 41 (D600)
Unit: BRCW Class 118 in all over BR Blue, running as W51312/W51327, set number P480.
Coaches: Mk2a in blue/grey and NSE
Wagons: PAA, PRA.
Loco: Any First gen suburban 3/4 car DMU - surely this is a huge hole in the market
Coach: Revolution, please hurry up with the K Pullmans - I'm 75 already!
Wagon: Met Railway Hurst Nelson brake van - not very likeley!
:beers:
NBL Type 2 Class 21/29
MK1 TPO Stowage Van & TPO Stowage Brake
Oakbank Oil Co./BP 40 Ton bogie tank wagon
Loco: un-rebuilt Patriot
Coach: ex-L.M.S. Push-Pull driving coach.
Wagon: (?) Brake Tender.
Chris
Quote from: Carmont on May 01, 2024, 08:28:31 PMNBL Type 2 Class 21/29
MK1 TPO Stowage Van & TPO Stowage Brake
Oakbank Oil Co./BP 40 Ton bogie tank wagon
Good shout, I would love a 21/29. Sadly I think that when RevolutioN proposed it as a crowdfunded initiative back in 2015 it was maybe a bit too early in their existence and the crowdfunding model not well proven.
Also probably fair to say that back then it was proposed as an outsourced model produced by Dapol whereas today it would be one where RevolutioN would likely be much more "hands on" with spec, design, choice of factory.
If not made by RevolutioN then sadly I can't personally see anyone else picking it up which is a shame, because if Dapol can make a 22 viable as an N product then the 21/29 would surely be equally so and they have made one in OO (very nice too) :hmmm:
TPO stowage van - makes perfect sense too :thumbsup: .
Are this:
Quote from: Carmont on May 01, 2024, 08:28:31 PMOakbank Oil Co./BP 40 Ton bogie tank wagon
and this:
https://flic.kr/p/RFLGUE
the same thing?
Jim
IIRC Dapol had great difficulty obtaining the information to produce the OO class 21/29 so they are the only viable manufacturer. They will know how the sales of the class 22 in N compared with the OO equivalent and how the sales of the OO 21/29 compared with the sales of the OO 22, so are in a good position to know whether such a model would be viable (or not).
The class 29 was particularly associated with the West Highland line in the period 1968-72. This period (BR blue pre-TOPS) is one which is largely ignored by the manufacturers, except for classes such as Claytons and diesel hydraulics which never received TOPS numbers.
My version of the Oakbank tank; it's in the James Street thread;
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/142/447-230524180129.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=142154)
It's not quite right; the bogies are a little inboard to allow for coupling throw on corners, and there's one too many anchor plates (for strength when building it).
Drawing and photo in 'Oil on the rails' by Alan Copping.
Martyn
Quote from: D9020 Nimbus on May 23, 2024, 05:28:00 PMIIRC Dapol had great difficulty obtaining the information to produce the OO class 21/29 so they are the only viable manufacturer. They will know how the sales of the class 22 in N compared with the OO equivalent and how the sales of the OO 21/29 compared with the sales of the OO 22, so are in a good position to know whether such a model would be viable (or not).
The class 29 was particularly associated with the West Highland line in the period 1968-72. This period (BR blue pre-TOPS) is one which is largely ignored by the manufacturers, except for classes such as Claytons and diesel hydraulics which never received TOPS numbers.
They also ran Glasgow to Dundee/Aberdeen sometimes double-headed depending on tonnage being hauled.
GE
Quote from: Jim Martin on May 23, 2024, 03:55:27 PMAre this:
Quote from: Carmont on May 01, 2024, 08:28:31 PMOakbank Oil Co./BP 40 Ton bogie tank wagon
and this:
https://flic.kr/p/RFLGUE
the same thing?
Jim
Yes that's it. Only three produced, I understand. At the very least only three taken over by BP Shell.
Quote from: Roy L S on May 02, 2024, 01:31:21 PMQuote from: Carmont on May 01, 2024, 08:28:31 PMNBL Type 2 Class 21/29
MK1 TPO Stowage Van & TPO Stowage Brake
Oakbank Oil Co./BP 40 Ton bogie tank wagon
Good shout, I would love a 21/29. Sadly I think that when RevolutioN proposed it as a crowdfunded initiative back in 2015 it was maybe a bit too early in their existence and the crowdfunding model not well proven.
I hope they revisit the 21/29 at some point.
Craig
I'm finding it rather odd that no manufacturer has produced Yeoman PGAs, apart from the old Farish Poole version. Loads of haulage possibilities.
Pre-TOPS blue diesels too —there's no 55 or 47 to go with the reversed blue/grey Pullmans.
Oh yes, Commonwealth bogies for the current Mark 1s too.
I'm a bit late to this thread but I've only just found it.
My minimal wish list would be for Farish to produce the Class 117 DMU. A larger suburban First generation DMU is very much missing in N gauge of either the 116/117/118 varieties. I actually thought we might have seen the 117 released soon after the OO one was released but 10 years later still nothing..
Also a re run of a Provincial livery Class 156 Sprinter from Dapol with either Sprinter or Super Sprinter branding
Cheers,
Mark
Quote from: Foxhound on April 30, 2024, 01:18:14 PMLoco: NBL Class 41 (D600)
Unit: BRCW Class 118 in all over BR Blue, running as W51312/W51327, set number P480.
Coaches: Mk2a in blue/grey and NSE
Wagons: PAA, PRA.
Circling back to this, obviously somebody was listening about the D600 and the coaches.
So, a partial return;
UK outline:
Loco: Class 25/3 or Class 31 with disc headcodes.
Unit: as before. P480 please!
Coaches: Coach pack to recreate the Cardiff Paigntons from 2010 please
Wagons: PAA, PRA, TEA.
Foreign:
Loco: RENFE Class 334
Unit: DR VT18.16 (and I know my prayers are answered here, good old Kato!)
Wagon: Landskron beer wagon (in the style of Arnold #4588 (Andechs)).
Only just come across this great game!
Loco - GWR 2900 Class 2999 Lady of Legend
Coach - Pullman Devon Belle Observation Car
Wagon - GWR Diagram M3 Shunters Truck
Re-Livery - GWR 6800 Class 6880 Betton Grange
Also only just come across the thread.
My minimum wish list is:
A modern loco driven 4-4-0 chassis
That's it really, maybe some variants of other wheel arrangements but otherwise I can make what I need.
But to be more in spirit of the game, would like:
Loco: LSWR A12 Class (favourite class)
Coach: LSWR 48ft TriComp Brake (a RTR of the first coach I made)
Wagon: prob a LSWR Brake Van just to go with the rest of the theme!
I still can't understand why no one (Farish in particular) has brought out a RTR class 4MT 4-6-0 as they were a fairly large class (80) and were based pretty much all over the UK but mainly the Midlands, Wales, the S & D, the North West, later numbers on the Southern and the odd escapee to Scotland (maybe just for testing).
The 2P, 4P and Crab are lacking new tooled versions.
Preferably all 4 of DP2, Lion, Kestrel and Falcon but Falcon would be a good starter :)
Quote from: KiwiAlan on January 07, 2025, 06:49:48 AMOnly just come across this great game!
Loco - GWR 2900 Class 2999 Lady of Legend
Coach - Pullman Devon Belle Observation Car
Wagon - GWR Diagram M3 Shunters Truck
Re-Livery - GWR 6800 Class 6880 Betton Grange
Liking the obo car idea. :heart2:
I'd go for:
GWR County 4-6-0
GWR King 4-6-0
Pressed Steel 3-car/Class 117 DMU
Quote from: crewearpley40 on April 26, 2024, 07:33:35 PMClass 81
Class 85
AC Electric 304 / 310
Class 87
25 / 3 new tooling
Quote from: PaulCheffus on January 07, 2025, 05:29:58 PMQuote from: crewearpley40 on January 07, 2025, 05:26:45 PMQuote from: crewearpley40 on April 26, 2024, 07:33:35 PMClass 81
Class 85
AC Electric 304 / 310
Class 87
25 / 3 new tooling
Hi
87 already announced by Dapol
Cheers
Paul
I suddenly remembered Paul. Whoops. Love to see BOC tankers although you have modelled them before.
Maybe another vote for 117, 120, 123 first generation dmu
Minimal wish listing
Steam Loco - ANY former Southern 4-6-0
Diesel loco - Class 25/3
DMU - Class 117 (BachFar) or complete 3 car Thumper (Kernow/EFE??? please?)
Coach - none. I have too many
Wagon - ditto
Re-livery - Porterbrook Deltic (just kidding)
Quote from: Bob G on January 07, 2025, 05:46:37 PMRe-livery - Porterbrook Deltic (just kidding)
:sweat: I know you're not well but I thought for one moment you'd lost your sanity there
Quote from: crewearpley40 on April 26, 2024, 07:33:35 PMLove to see BOC tankers although you have modelled them before.
Hi
As soon as I get the transfers for mine they will be announced I'm sure
Cheers
Paul
This thread is giving me lots of hints as to what 3D printed kits to design next! Thanks guys! :)
For me personally:
Loco & Coach together: APT-P (actually that's a power car and 6 different types of coach)
Wagon: IIA-D DRAX biomass hoppers.
Ross.
Quote from: RBTKraisee on January 07, 2025, 10:49:27 PMWagon: IIA-D DRAX biomass hoppers.
Ross.
Revolution have done them, and very nice they are too.
John P
Quote from: jpendle on January 08, 2025, 01:48:53 AMQuote from: RBTKraisee on January 07, 2025, 10:49:27 PMWagon: IIA-D DRAX biomass hoppers.
Ross.
Revolution have done them, and very nice they are too.
John P
They are really nice, but at £40 each, putting a 22-wagon train together gets eye-wateringly expensive, so I'll be making my own. Given today's high prices that's pretty-much the case for all my future wagons and coaches though.
Ross.
Quote from: RBTKraisee on January 08, 2025, 03:16:54 AMQuote from: jpendle on January 08, 2025, 01:48:53 AMQuote from: RBTKraisee on January 07, 2025, 10:49:27 PMWagon: IIA-D DRAX biomass hoppers.
Ross.
Revolution have done them, and very nice they are too.
John P
They are really nice, but at £40 each, putting a 22-wagon train together gets eye-wateringly expensive, so I'll be making my own. Given today's high prices that's pretty-much the case for all my future wagons and coaches though.
Ross.
Understandable, I managed to get the kids and grandkids to kick in for most of mine over a Birthday and couple of Christmas's so consider myself very fortunate.
Here's the rake of 20 ready for a test run on Mid Albion (only 3 boards, as I can't put all 5 up in the garage, have to run 2 boards outside).
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/148/1058-080125043535.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=148346)
Quote from: Newportnobby on January 07, 2025, 07:30:22 PMQuote from: Bob G on January 07, 2025, 05:46:37 PMRe-livery - Porterbrook Deltic (just kidding)
:sweat: I know you're not well but I thought for one moment you'd lost your sanity there
Oh, come on, you know you want one too.... :smiley-laughing:
Quote from: RBTKraisee on January 08, 2025, 03:16:54 AMQuote from: jpendle on January 08, 2025, 01:48:53 AMQuote from: RBTKraisee on January 07, 2025, 10:49:27 PMWagon: IIA-D DRAX biomass hoppers.
Ross.
Revolution have done them, and very nice they are too.
John P
They are really nice, but at £40 each, putting a 22-wagon train together gets eye-wateringly expensive, so I'll be making my own. Given today's high prices that's pretty-much the case for all my future wagons and coaches though.
Ross.
I have a similar cost issue with container wagons for GBRf, might just have to get a couple of triple packs one pack at a time and run a short train!
Back on the wishlist, I would like a reissue of Farish 371-087A 25225 in BR blue please....
Quote from: Foxhound on January 08, 2025, 09:42:18 AMQuote from: Newportnobby on January 07, 2025, 07:30:22 PMQuote from: Bob G on January 07, 2025, 05:46:37 PMRe-livery - Porterbrook Deltic (just kidding)
:sweat: I know you're not well but I thought for one moment you'd lost your sanity there
Oh, come on, you know you want one too.... :smiley-laughing:
:no: :sick:
I wouldn't want a Deltic anywhere near my layout to be fair. The only EE stuff on my layout is an 08, a 20 and 37207. I would stretch to 40192 if I could find it.
Currently having a crisis of conscience about whether to sell my Farish Peaks and invest in Rapido offerings, and selling my Farish 33s to buy Dapol ones.
Good choice. Farish 371178
Class 40 192. Pretty rare
Quote from: tunneroner61 on January 07, 2025, 05:11:28 PMI'd go for:
GWR County 4-6-0
GWR King 4-6-0
Pressed Steel 3-car/Class 117 DMU
I'd definitely go for the County and King.
As we have a Sonic A5 incoming, I would love another GC icon to be added, namely the Robinson ROD 2-8-0 or 04 as it became known in LNER days.
My other equally slightly GC biased "wish" (albeit found running there in BR days) would be a new state of the art 9F with proper loco-drive and DCC sound. I know Dapol have very recently been releasing their model, "upgraded" with traction tyres, but having originally been introduced way back in 2008 it really is very dated now and seems ripe for someone to step in. After all, this is a huge class of loco (251 produced), widely spread geographically 9 preserved of which a number restored to running condition and some oddities like the "Tyne Dockers" and "Crostis"..
Roy
Quote from: crewearpley40 on January 08, 2025, 11:40:29 AMGood choice. Farish 371178
Class 40 192. Pretty rare
There was one on the Footplate website a couple of months ago. I spotted it as I was leaving work. 20 minutes drive to get home, it was gone.....
Quote from: Foxhound on January 08, 2025, 03:51:42 PMQuote from: crewearpley40 on January 08, 2025, 11:40:29 AMGood choice. Farish 371178
Class 40 192. Pretty rare
There was one on the Footplate website a couple of months ago. I spotted it as I was leaving work. 20 minutes drive to get home, it was gone.....
sad Rob. I noticed one on Hampshire models
Maybe see if Rails Sheffield is at worse / best Dr Al the bidding site beginning with E
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/145653120973
I noticed this body shell only
RTR semaphore signals - upper quadrant in both bracket and junction versions TO SUIT LNER & BR layouts "north of Watford" :hmmm:
Quote from: Bob G on January 07, 2025, 05:46:37 PMDMU - Class 117 (BachFar) or complete 3 car Thumper (Kernow/EFE??? please?)
Definitely in favour of both.
Thumpers ran regularly as far as Bristol as late as the early 90s and certainly worked down to Exeter in the 70s and 80s.
ah yeh good idea on the thumper!
also kernow could do a 4tc
they produced of commissioned these before I recall in oo.
Quote from: bluedepot on January 09, 2025, 09:03:57 AMah yeh good idea on the thumper!
also kernow could do a 4tc
they produced of commissioned these before I recall in oo.
A 4TC is a much desired thing....
The 4TC also operated into Bristol and Exeter, so again of interest to West Country modellers too.
Quote from: RBTKraisee on January 07, 2025, 10:49:27 PMWagon: IIA-D DRAX biomass hoppers.
Ross.
The CAD wasn't too bad, it was the artwork that nearly killed me on mine! :worried: I found 3 of the 4 "Renewable Pioneers" images before Revolution announced theirs. Must have another look for the last one!
SR EMUs feel like such a gap still. I said the 442 as my 'want', and I note it topped the OO gauge poll in the EMU category last week. The CIG, TC, BEP, REP, BIG, refurbished CEP etc all feel like candidates! My nervousness with a TC is how expensive it would be. There's a perception it's 'just' 4 coaches, but we know from the manufacturers that dummies don't make economical sense, as omitting the running gear doesn't save all that much.
Any first-generation, high-density DMU.
There were a lot of them built, they were all round the country. I guess they are not glamorous enough for the manufacturers.
Quote from: F2Andy on January 09, 2025, 12:18:15 PMAny first-generation, high-density DMU.
There were a lot of them built, they were all round the country. I guess they are not glamorous enough for the manufacturers.
By using the chassis from the class 128, Revolution have a few to go at hence the proposed class 120
I have only just stumbled across this thread... A Minimal Wish List does much to concentrate one's mind! I'd go for:-
1) LOCOMOTIVE - BR Standard Class 4MT 4-6-0 (single and double chimney): a very useful model with a wide regional appeal.
2) COACH - Bulleid BCK Diagram 2405 - one can then pair it with the existing Bachmann/Graham Farish r-t-r BSK(semi-open) Diagram 2123 and make a useful two-car Set (Set Nos.63 to 75).
3) WAGON - any twin-tank 6-wheel Milk tank, for variety...
...and I am a Western Region (Eras 4/5) modeller, with a an interest in the Southern Region, but it seems to me that a GWR/BR(WR) modeller is very well served at present, and, yes, a "King" and a "County" (Hawksworth) would be nice, but the SR/BR(SR) is, as usual, very much the poor relation in comparison to the GWR/BR(WR) and is missing so much in r-t-r!
Quote from: tunneroner61 on January 07, 2025, 05:11:28 PMI'd go for:
GWR County 4-6-0
GWR King 4-6-0
Pressed Steel 3-car/Class 117 DMU
To these I would add:
GWR 72XX and 52xx tank locos
Maunsell SR King Arthur, Lord Nelson and Q class 0-6-0
LNER V1/V3, N2 and EX GC 04
LMS Fowler 2-6-4
None of the locos that I have mentioned have ever been made RTR although some have been kits or scratch aids, and I would buy at least one of any that become RTR
Regards,
Alex
Quote from: Foxhound on January 08, 2025, 09:43:44 AMQuote from: RBTKraisee on January 08, 2025, 03:16:54 AMQuote from: jpendle on January 08, 2025, 01:48:53 AMQuote from: RBTKraisee on January 07, 2025, 10:49:27 PMWagon: IIA-D DRAX biomass hoppers.
Ross.
Revolution have done them, and very nice they are too.
John P
They are really nice, but at £40 each, putting a 22-wagon train together gets eye-wateringly expensive, so I'll be making my own. Given today's high prices that's pretty-much the case for all my future wagons and coaches though.
Ross.
I have a similar cost issue with container wagons for GBRf, might just have to get a couple of triple packs one pack at a time and run a short train!
Back on the wishlist, I would like a reissue of Farish 371-087A 25225 in BR blue please....
i would also like to see the 25 re released but also a Class 25/ 3
Since I can't find one anywhere and they are long OOP as far as I can tell, I'd love to see Class 37 EWS Livery produced again with current best-in-show sound.
Quote from: Hailstone on February 22, 2026, 12:03:24 AMQuote from: tunneroner61 on January 07, 2025, 05:11:28 PMI'd go for:
GWR County 4-6-0
GWR King 4-6-0
Pressed Steel 3-car/Class 117 DMU
To these I would add:
GWR 72XX and 52xx tank locos
Maunsell SR King Arthur, Lord Nelson and Q class 0-6-0
LNER V1/V3, N2 and EX GC 04
LMS Fowler 2-6-4
None of the locos that I have mentioned have ever been made RTR although some have been kits or scratch aids, and I would buy at least one of any that become RTR
Regards,
Alex
I would add to that: -
LMS Princess Elizabeth class (Lizzies).
GNR/LNER K3
Stanier Mogul
J26/27 0-6-0 (to modern spec now that Union Mills are no more).
For me the chief locomotive type missing from my collection which would have run on the sea wall would be a County 4-6-0.
A new model King would be good too but my two old GF ones will suffice for the time being.
Steam
72XX
94XX retooled
Stanier 4MT tank
Crab retooled
K1
Std 4MT
2MT Mogul (78000)
Electric
Class 74
EM1/2*
AM10 EMU*
Diesel
Any of DP2/Lion/Falcon/Kestrel (horribly niche, I know)
Class 15
*Would involve new layouts I'd also never finish :-[
I refuse to get drawn into this thread.
Rebuilt WC/BB
Rebuilt MN
ANY SR 4-6-0
Thumper
Class 71
Class 74
Pretty much everything I'm likely to want is already out there in some shape or form. My wish-list contains one item - a bit more money to spend on such things... :(
Sigh...
Cheers,
Chris
Getting away a bit from Steven B's original post, aren't we? :)
Martyn
Just what I was about to say!
As a reminder:
Quoteminimal wish list of models either never produced, or not produced to current standards - one wagon, one coach and one loco/multiple unit. Plus one re-livery of an existing model
After two years, my wish list remains the same:
HEA
Mk2 BFK
Class 110
My choice of relivery would probably be a 37 in Intercity.
Quote from: martyn on February 22, 2026, 02:11:28 PMGetting away a bit from Steven B's original post, aren't we? :)
Martyn
Guilty as charged but I don't require wagons or coaches. My loco list is my minimum :)
Quote from: Newportnobby on February 22, 2026, 02:50:31 PMGuilty as charged but I don't require wagons or coaches. My loco list is my minimum :)
So choose just one! :no:
No wagons or coaches at all? No suburbans from LNER or SR? No brake first or BSO Mk1? There must be something?!
If I had to choose just one, it would be 'Lion', but that stands no chance.
Dapol may yet do the LMS suburbans and I know next to nothing about coaching stock outside the transition era.
I can't think of a single wagon I'd want/need as again, I know half of s*d all about them :dunce:
Porthole coaches as they were my favourite.
Quote from: Dancess on February 22, 2026, 10:19:54 PMPorthole coaches as they were my favourite.
They do look nice, but are they sufficiently different to Series 3 Staniers to justify the tooling cost and could they sell enough?
Parallel boiler LMS Royal Scot ?
Quote from: Roy L S on February 23, 2026, 09:01:51 AMQuote from: Dancess on February 22, 2026, 10:19:54 PMPorthole coaches as they were my favourite.
They do look nice, but are they sufficiently different to Series 3 Staniers to justify the tooling cost and could they sell enough?
The main difference that Porthole stock offers is that they lasted around 5 years longer and there were a fair number of them carried BR Blue & Grey livery (mostly 62ft brake 3rds and 60ft Composites)
However... given that Farish have previously said they couldn't justify tooling for alternative frame lengths to expand the existing Period 3 range (almost every train should include a 60ft Corridor Composite!) sadly, I don't think Porthole stock would come from that direction...
Quote from: Newportnobby on February 22, 2026, 12:12:53 PMElectric
Class 74
EM1/2*
AM10 EMU*
Diesel
Any of DP2/Lion/Falcon/Kestrel (horribly niche, I know)
Class 15
*Would involve new layouts I'd also never finish :-[
Seem to have all of these from kits except the AM10 8)
A proper 15 would be nice as the Parkwood one while trivial to build (clean, paint, and insert buffers) is stretched a bit for the old Farish 20 chassis.
There are good chassis matches for the other one off locos so whilst the Britannia Pacific ones seem to have vanished alas it's certainly a good candidate for 3D printing and probably less so for mass produced plastic.
An AM10 would be nice (as someone who grew up near Birmingham) but the EMU world seems to be surprisingly badly covered in RTR until you get to modern image where we've got a huge selection (but still need a FLIRT)
Quote from: Dancess on February 22, 2026, 10:19:54 PMPorthole coaches as they were my favourite.
With my former Ultima hat on - that puts you (at least from kit sales) deep in the minority.
Alan
Quote from: EtchedPixels on February 23, 2026, 12:56:36 PMAn AM10 would be nice (as someone who grew up near Birmingham) but the EMU world seems to be surprisingly badly covered in RTR until you get to modern image where we've got a huge selection (but still need a FLIRT)
Always up for a flirt.
When someone discovers how to do curved windscreens I reckon we'll get an AM10 and maybe a Trans Pennine class 124 but, by then, I'll probably be dust in the wind :dighole:
Had thought I'd given my 3 some time back but apparantly not. What I would have said if I had is.
Loco: 21/29
Coach: At the time I would have said a non-corridor coach that would pass muster for a representation of the Killin Branch train. Dapol LMS suburban will do the job (assuming they find the last 10% of interest) even if not the exact type used
Wagon: OTA
Quote from: Suffolk Rob on February 23, 2026, 04:04:24 PMCoach: At the time I would have said a non-corridor coach that would pass muster for a representation of the Killin Branch train.
@Suffolk Rob Is that the same Killin where I stayed at The Falls of Dochart Inn last year?
Unrebuilt Patriot
Class 153 active travel.
Chris
Quote from: Newportnobby on February 23, 2026, 04:27:48 PMQuote from: Suffolk Rob on February 23, 2026, 04:04:24 PMCoach: At the time I would have said a non-corridor coach that would pass muster for a representation of the Killin Branch train.
@Suffolk Rob
Is that the same Killin where I stayed at The Falls of Dochart Inn last year?
Yes!
A one carriage train shuttled from Killin Junction on the C&O (Callendar & Oban, not Chesapeake & Ohio!) to Killin. The line continued to the closed station at Loch Tay where the locomotive shed was located at the end of the line. Worked by ex Caledonian Railway 0-4-4T locomotives for years and, latterly, by superpower in the form of BR '4MT' 2-6-4Ts.
The engine had to run round its train at Killin station, which didn't have a loop. The solution would have made Grantham's most famous resident* proud.
There's lots 'N' lots of photographs of the line in its final years and it has featured in the model railway magazines.
* No, not Lady Thatcher - the other one.
All the very best.
John
Quote from: Newportnobby on February 23, 2026, 04:27:48 PMQuote from: Suffolk Rob on February 23, 2026, 04:04:24 PMCoach: At the time I would have said a non-corridor coach that would pass muster for a representation of the Killin Branch train.
@Suffolk Rob
Is that the same Killin where I stayed at The Falls of Dochart Inn last year?
Yes it would be. Used to be a short branch off the Calandar and Oban line. Not the most interesting line but typically a 1 coach train with a 4mt tank in it's final years. Buildings available from Pop up designs and always thought it would make a decent micro layout
Coach in most later photos is a 4 compartment Thompson non corridor brake by the look of it. Did exist as an Ultima kit
Is available RTR in orribly oversized.
Just three for me, all have been produced in OO, so most of the research has been done.
Class 165 or 166 in two or three car version, many liveries to choose from. (Bachmann)
P&D JHA hoppers in ARC and Hanson livery to go with the Class 59. (Dapol)
MRA side tipping wagons rake of five. (Dapol)
Geoff
Not interested in coaches and I've produced most of my wagon wishlist as 3D prints (See my shop below if you want one I've designed!).
The huge void for me is industrial steam locos smaller than the Austerity/J94.
Half a century ago Bachmann (https://www.spookshow.net/loco/bach040.html), Rivarossi (https://www.spookshow.net/loco/riv040.html) and Arnold (https://www.hattons.co.uk/266197/arnold_2242_class_t2_0_4_0t_in_hanomag_livery/stockdetail) produced 0-4-0 locos that were often redeployed under British bodyshells (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/78/2947-150619090313.jpeg) from GEM etc.
Ten years ago Hornby added a Peckett 0-4-0 (https://www.google.com/search?sca_esv=7154391049cab9c6&sxsrf=ANbL-n4HZZ96PXYpjN-NfS1yyJLwW-TAIA:1771940869591&udm=2&fbs=ADc_l-aN0CWEZBOHjofHoaMMDiKpaEWjvZ2Py1XXV8d8KvlI3o6iwGk6Iv1tRbZIBNIVs-5-bUj3iBl-UxHsANYwOkWWQqZAJJdwuRaSoLHfELMHARurXwtwWmcdG4V-LDFDd8ecoEtHpZSRelVfCRq2UKwcWKG3jZWtDKY1abjUi6atsGFRNpwlmGKAQF9AXbF8wg8fYd5JIFkWAi8Mz75HFguCKRmBxQ&q=hornby+peckett+0-4-0&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiN-OCQovKSAxXbdUEAHUztH8kQtKgLegQIChAB&biw=1616&bih=822&dpr=1.19) to their OO range, shortly followed by Hattons launching a similar sized Andrew Barclay (https://railsofsheffield.com/search?q=Andrew+Barclay+0-4-0ST&options%5Bprefix%5D=last).
Who wouldn't want at least one of those in N Gauge?
Space for a DCC chip is limited and a short wheelbase will challenge pickup, but the loco could be sold paired with a shunters'/coaling truck (https://preservedbritishsteamlocomotives.com/andrew-barclay-works-no-1614-ncb-no-19-0-4-0st/), (like Hornby's OO Ruston 48DS (https://uk.hornby.com/products/dvlr-ruston-hornsby-48ds-0-4-0-417892-jim-era-8-r3852?srsltid=AfmBOoqzSrj0oIj0zR0FzOrgmKhI0tk4hiU2AFRBuUyXlRVLQPaYi2Eo)), to tackle such issues.
Mike
Well, here goes:
Loco: New body class 25 (low hanging fruit, surely?)
Then it gets a bit more blue-sky...
Coach: RTC Trib train auto-trailer
Wagon: John Summers iron ore hoppers
Given that there have been two versions of the RTC 24, and the somewhat fictional 28, there surely has to be a market for the trib train coaches?
And the John Summers wagons, which are similar to the ICI limestone ones, are a memory from childhood. I have no expectation that I'll ever see them in RTR. But it is a wish-list.
@maridurian
I did a 3D print 48DS for one of the little Japanese chassis plus a little bit of filing. DCC would be interesting to say the least at that size.
(https://github.com/EtchedPixels/3DPrint-NonCommercial/tree/main/48DS has the needed OpenSCAD files to generate the STL to print one)
We've had smallish 0-4-0 chassis even back into the 1970s that ran well (at least on electrofrogs). This probably belongs in the SPAM section but show what was possible with those chassis - and these are DCC converted.
A couple of Danygraig shed locos from Swansea
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/158/222-240226214322.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=158287)
So they are definitely doable with DCC and modern technology!
Quote from: maridunian on February 24, 2026, 01:45:41 PMHalf a century ago Bachmann (https://www.spookshow.net/loco/bach040.html), Rivarossi (https://www.spookshow.net/loco/riv040.html) and Arnold (https://www.hattons.co.uk/266197/arnold_2242_class_t2_0_4_0t_in_hanomag_livery/stockdetail) produced 0-4-0 locos that were often redeployed under British bodyshells (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/78/2947-150619090313.jpeg) from GEM etc.
Ten years ago Hornby added a Peckett 0-4-0 (https://www.google.com/search?sca_esv=7154391049cab9c6&sxsrf=ANbL-n4HZZ96PXYpjN-NfS1yyJLwW-TAIA:1771940869591&udm=2&fbs=ADc_l-aN0CWEZBOHjofHoaMMDiKpaEWjvZ2Py1XXV8d8KvlI3o6iwGk6Iv1tRbZIBNIVs-5-bUj3iBl-UxHsANYwOkWWQqZAJJdwuRaSoLHfELMHARurXwtwWmcdG4V-LDFDd8ecoEtHpZSRelVfCRq2UKwcWKG3jZWtDKY1abjUi6atsGFRNpwlmGKAQF9AXbF8wg8fYd5JIFkWAi8Mz75HFguCKRmBxQ&q=hornby+peckett+0-4-0&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiN-OCQovKSAxXbdUEAHUztH8kQtKgLegQIChAB&biw=1616&bih=822&dpr=1.19) to their OO range, shortly followed by Hattons launching a similar sized Andrew Barclay (https://railsofsheffield.com/search?q=Andrew+Barclay+0-4-0ST&options%5Bprefix%5D=last).
Who wouldn't want at least one of those in N Gauge?
Sorry, Mike, but my hand is up :no: