Yesterday I made an attempt to weather 2 Peco Fish Vans using Acrylic paint. Not having an airbrush I tried to dry brush them but the initial strokes were too heavy when looked at today.
Attempts today to use water to remove the paint failed. I don't want to use IPA as it's not good on plastics, so could the collective suggest anything else please? I have some white spirit in the garage?
(And NO, any pictures would be too embarrassing at the mo :-[ )
Gentle use of cotton bud with acrylic thinners should do the trick.
Chris
Agree there. I just use a small dab with the cotton bud obtainable in supermarkets and the thinner can be found online or in your local model shop
I agree, a cotton bud and acrylic thinners is worth a try.
Why not try weathering powders rather than paint? Easy to apply and will wash off if you haven't sealed them. I don't bother sealing and some of my stock still has its weathering from 2006 (before I took the layout to Stuttgart N convention). I find weathering powders produce better looking dirt and rust effects, though not so good for liquid streaks/drips.
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/60/5885-311217192816.jpeg)
Also, how about T-Cut on a cotton bud?
I just wanna see the pics :)
Quote from: kesdrive on January 07, 2024, 01:51:46 PMGentle use of cotton bud with acrylic thinners should do the trick.
Chris
So - got some thinners today. First up, let me show you some airbrushed weathered fish vans done for me by the talented mk1mgstu
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/138/264-130124135208-1386691071.jpeg)
My first attempts using dry brushing I was really not happy with, but I've toned them down with some thinners. Still somewhat heavy handed me thinks but comments welcome (I think :worried: )
Pristine
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/138/264-130124135302-1386722340.jpeg)
and afterwards
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/138/264-130124135302-1386711595.jpeg)
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/138/264-130124135302-138672729.jpeg)
Not sure I'm happy with 'em really :hmmm:
It seems 'less is more'.
Happier now
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/138/264-130124205845-1386791201.jpeg)
Quote from: Newportnobby on January 13, 2024, 02:00:17 PMNot sure I'm happy with 'em really :hmmm:
Well, they certainly look mucky! But they do look better in the last photo'. ;)
Yeah, I'd leave well alone now.
No need to do any more mick, just sit back and watch them in a rake of stock !
Yeah - I'm quite pleased now so won't be doing anything more but thanks to those who suggested thinners which worked very well. :thumbsup:
They look good! I'd be happy with them!
I'm a novice at all this myself, so I don't want to talk out of place but one extra thing I might do is a bit of a dark wash around the raised detail areas such as doors, beams, rivets and so on - probably with a dark brown or dark grey rather than pure black, just to highlight them a bit more - especially on a white model.
Hope you have a stock of cotton buds Available from most supermarkets and chemists. A pack of wipes and kitchen towel is useful too. I agree with Paul Pinball and there are rust and brakedust powders available on the market
Quote from: pinball on January 14, 2024, 09:09:13 AMprobably with a dark brown or dark grey rather than pure black, just to highlight them a bit more - especially on a white model.
Not black, but Railmatch 'frame dirt' which, I accept, does look quite dark
I snaffled a bargain at the Preston show - a 6 pack of weathered mineral wagons (according to the label). They were certainly not filthy enough for me.
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/139/264-020324132303-13999589.jpeg)
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/140/264-030324075519-140027106.jpeg)
So they were attacked with some acylics, resulting in these. Does the collective think they look too 'blotchy' please?
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/140/264-040324125440-1400652046.jpeg)
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/140/264-040324125440-140065104.jpeg)
Not at all too blotchy. Personally, I'd say the most important thing when weathering is reflecting that every wagon will have a slightly different life story, so weathering varies from wagon to wagon. Some rustier, some dirtier, some more faded, some affected by brake dust, some having oil/grease stains, some repaired, etc, etc.
It seems overkill for wagons, but copying different prototypes can bring in realistic variation.
https://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/brmineralweld
Mike
Thanks, Mike.
And with coal loads - this shot might show the individuality of the wagons as they are all hand painted
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/140/264-040324142051-1400672018.jpeg)
Looking good this weathering mick.
https://youtu.be/cD8divD3Upo?si=J0xIE4laNYoWEKuy
Worth a view
Another lot of simple techniques
On the subject of adding loads I cut a strip of balsa wood or mounting card in the wagon to the shape as measured above and fix with a dab of pva then add coal and watered down pva sprayed on and let dry
https://youtu.be/hSePhIv8YTU?si=KLVyw9yHySfEdtUY
https://youtu.be/ljWjCysTmCU?si=SOqxV3vbjyzAuHpM
I agree with Mike in reply #17
Maybe a cotton bud and weathering powders in recesses and wood / iron works would/ may work.
Quote from: maridunian on March 04, 2024, 02:16:44 PMNot at all too blotchy. Personally, I'd say the most important thing when weathering is reflecting that every wagon will have a slightly different life story, so weathering varies from wagon to wagon. Some rustier, some dirtier, some more faded, some affected by brake dust, some having oil/grease stains, some repaired, etc, etc.
It seems overkill for wagons, but copying different prototypes can bring in realistic variation.
https://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/brmineralweld
Mike
Wow, look at at all those! Who'd ever have thought there would have been people running around back in the day taking pictures of filthy old mineral wagons!
I think these 'sixteen-tonners' look totally terrific and not too blotchy.
I saw lots of these when I mis-spent as much of my blotchy youth as I could on an Andrew Barclay 0-4-0ST pushing them around.
The combination of acidic coal dust, the wet Ayrshire climate and the salty sea air at the harbours, where a lot of the coal was couped into ships for Ireland, meant that the wagons had a hard life.
I think the trick is to mix a few wagons in better condition and, perhaps, one or two that look like they have just come out of Barassie C&W Works into your trains.
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/140/6222-050324090012.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=140085)
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/140/6222-050324090041.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=140086)
With all good wishes.
John
Those wagons look fantastic! Excellent job on them!
Quote from: Train Waiting on March 05, 2024, 09:03:07 AMI saw lots of these when I mis-spent as much of my blotchy youth as I could on an Andrew Barclay 0-4-0ST pushing them around.
The combination of acidic coal dust, the wet Ayrshire climate and the salty sea air at the harbours, where a lot of the coal was couped into ships for Ireland, meant that the wagons had a hard life.
Blimey, John! It's a wonder you have lived to a ripe old age!
Cheers,
Chris
Hello Newport Nobby
I don't think that you have anything to concern yourself with over your weathering. The attached is for sale on EBay.
Geoff
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/166626306922?
Cripes!! :goggleeyes:
Quote from: Papyrus on March 05, 2024, 03:41:15 PMQuote from: Train Waiting on March 05, 2024, 09:03:07 AMI saw lots of these when I mis-spent as much of my blotchy youth as I could on an Andrew Barclay 0-4-0ST pushing them around.
The combination of acidic coal dust, the wet Ayrshire climate and the salty sea air at the harbours, where a lot of the coal was couped into ships for Ireland, meant that the wagons had a hard life.
Blimey, John! It's a wonder you have lived to a ripe old age!
Cheers,
Chris
'Ripe old age' indeed ! I consider myself to be a callow youth...
The biggest heath hazard was undoubtably the tea. Brewed over the weighouse fire in a massive black kettle with the tea and shovelsful of sugar in the kettle. And with, wait for it, 'Marvel' powdered milk also in the kettle. Does anybody remember 'Marvel'?
My tea was served in an old 'Marvel' tin. Even at this distance in time I can remember how vile it was but I'd gladly go back and sit on the floor drinking it and listening to these wonderfully kind men yarning away. I must have been accepted, because the Union was a frequent subject for complaint and this would not be done within earshot of an 'outsider'.
No 16 sat patiently outside, awaiting our pleasure, whilst these refreshments were taken.
So not to cause a thread diversion, I now present an especially dodgy picturingham of a nicely weathered 'sixteen-tonner' with the pit
bing as a suitably picturesque background. It was taken with my Kadak 'Instamatic'.
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/140/6222-050324220424.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=140108)
With all best wishes.
John
Smashing memories, John, especially of the 'Marvel' although I must have been a bit snooty as I never drank from a 'Marvel' tin :no:
Funny, I was studying a Marvel tin in the Tasmanian Museum yesterday! :thumbsup:
Sorry just wondering how is ipa bad for plastics, don't you mean bad for the paint?. Very nice weathering also!!!!
Here is what one small drop of IPA did to a Farish coach roof....
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/37/main_18088.JPG)
Quote from: Newportnobby on March 06, 2024, 10:51:26 AMHere is what one small drop of IPA did to a Farish coach roof....
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/37/main_18088.JPG)
You're onto something there Mick
https://flickr.com/search/?user_id=60854097%40N06&view_all=1&text=Mk1
Mike
Too late for me to patent the 'scabby' look then, I fear :(