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New poll of the week!

You can select your top 3!

Results will be sent to Ben Ando!

This is a vote for 57ft first gen DMUs.

Sorry if I missed any options.  Where they were very similar to other classes I didn't necessarily include them.

Thanks for your vote


Tim

For me it is a lot easier, as I don't physically want to own any of these, but from a business perspective, I'd say Derby lightweights, Class 105 (Bachmann already do this in OO) and Class 110 Calder Valley sets (Hornby did these in OO).

However, I still think 120s, 117s and 123s need a shoe in first :)

Bob

PS - you listed 121/122 for possible retool but these are 63' chassis, not 57'.

Do the 101/108 really need a re tool? I reckon the BachFar versions are pretty damned good :confused1:

Quote from: Newportnobby on October 29, 2023, 02:39:11 PMDo the 101/108 really need a re tool? I reckon the BachFar versions are pretty damned good :confused1:

I agree.  My preference would be fist choice, a 105 (Craven's)  then a 100 (Gloucester C&W).  Both would suit my Scottish interests.  The Cravens is both more relevant to my current layout and NE Scotland interests and is also much more widespread so would no doubt suit a wider market.

Quote from: Bob G on October 29, 2023, 02:07:01 PMHowever, I still think 120s, 117s and 123s need a shoe in first :)

Repeating this like a mantra ain't necessarily going to make it happen :no:
If I want another DMU it has to be something a bit different hence me voting for the lightweights, 'cos that's what I am :)

I'd like the Derby lightweights or the Cravens 105s, but as I've said elsewhere, Bachmann already do these in 4mm so could be a relatively easy shoot-down for them. But no sign of it happening yet.

When the real ones are looked at, there are quite a few differences especially at the ends.

The Met Cam lightweights were similar to the 100/101s, but again had differences at the cab end, including valances, air horns, and multiple unit jumpers high up just under the windows instead of the buffer beam.

Good luck with the survey!

Martyn

Quote from: Newportnobby on October 29, 2023, 04:06:38 PM

Quote from: Bob G on October 29, 2023, 02:07:01 PMHowever, I still think 120s, 117s and 123s need a shoe in first :)

Repeating this like a mantra ain't necessarily going to make it happen :no:

It worked on the B class tanks :)

thanks for the votes so far!

i think the derby lightweight would commercially be a good choice. if bachmann ever get round to it.

i would say 104s would be a good choice for revolution though as not made by bachmann and they can make them in green, blue and nse and mexican bean liveries to appeal to a wider audience.


cheers


tim

Have to agree with Newportnobby. There's no point retooling the 101s or 108s as they are excellent. Go for something new. I don't want any of the above as a I would much prefer a 117.

Just wading in with my opinion. I would absolutely love to see Revolution produce the class 110 Calder Valley units - c'mon Revolution- bring northern N gauge modelling alive!. I'd really like to see a class 105 Cravens too.
And in response the calls not don't bother with a 101, is the existing option from Farish "good enough for now"? I'd have thought an upgrade was overdue.
Richard.

Quote from: Ricky B on October 30, 2023, 11:38:14 AMAnd in response the calls not don't bother with a 101, is the existing option from Farish "good enough for now"? I'd have thought an upgrade was overdue.
Richard.

Sorry to labour this point but what exactly requires updating on the class 101?

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Quote from: Newportnobby on October 30, 2023, 12:42:23 PM

Quote from: Ricky B on October 30, 2023, 11:38:14 AMAnd in response the calls not don't bother with a 101, is the existing option from Farish "good enough for now"? I'd have thought an upgrade was overdue.
Richard.

Sorry to labour this point but what exactly requires updating on the class 101?

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Absolutely nothing wrong with either the 101 or 108 in my opinion, I have been trying to get a green latest spec 101 for ages at a half-reasonable price (so I don't mean cheap) and they are like rocking horse doo-doo. I would be happy with another production run of them just as they are.

Quote from: Ricky B on October 30, 2023, 11:38:14 AMAnd in response the calls not don't bother with a 101, is the existing option from Farish "good enough for now"? I'd have thought an upgrade was overdue.
Richard.

Revolution (and any other manufacturer) would be mad to consider a class 101 or 108 when Farish already have more than acceptable tooling for them and could quickly produce batches in response.

yes i agree that basically the 101 and 108 are good models. maybe just a next 18 upgrade and speaker fitted would suffice.  just added it as an option in the poll though.

104 and 105/6 are winning currently - both would be great additions for n gauge.

derby lightweight in third. also a good choice.

btw - next week's poll will be on 4 wheel rail buses!

cheers


tim

Not really my era who remembers the waggon maschinenbau ?


Park royal built some

However Tim @bluedepot

How about some EMus please in a future?

Quote from: bluedepot on October 30, 2023, 01:47:18 PMyes i agree that basically the 101 and 108 are good models. maybe just a next 18 upgrade and speaker fitted would suffice.  just added it as an option in the poll though.

That would be for Farish to undertake. But this poll is for DMUs for Revolution to consider. And that would be a no-goer for them.

yes that's a fair point bazza

tim

I have been checking my many photo books of Scottish secondary lines.  This certainly strongly supports my top preference being a Crave 105 (2 car version for me).  I am not totally happy with my efforts with the BHE kit though it will do for now.    They clearly operated some of the ex GNoScR lines with some support from 101s (got 2 of those already).  I had the impression that the Class 100 was based on the Edinburgh suburban lines which is why it was my second choice.  I have found a photo of one at Ballater!  Perhaps a rarity.  But the Craven was more widely distributed.  WE had them on the Abbey Flyer line from Watford Jcn in the 80s. 

A 107 (or 108 with headcode box) to go with their nice Strathclyde 320s and upcoming 314s.  :thumbsup:

Quote from: bluedepot on October 30, 2023, 01:47:18 PMyes i agree that basically the 101 and 108 are good models. maybe just a next 18 upgrade and speaker fitted would suffice.

They still have 6 pin dcc sockets but they do come with fitted speakers now.
Cheers Colin

Quote from: bluedepot on October 30, 2023, 01:47:18 PMyes i agree that basically the 101 and 108 are good models. maybe just a next 18 upgrade and speaker fitted would suffice.  just added it as an option in the poll though.

104 and 105/6 are winning currently - both would be great additions for n gauge.

derby lightweight in third. also a good choice.

btw - next week's poll will be on 4 wheel rail buses!

cheers


tim

I have already suggested 1st Gen 4-wheeled diesel railbuses to Revolution, their concerns were that they are (were) all small classes which tended to identify individually with specific lines so it would be a question of (1) which one to do as each manufacturer produced something uniquely identifiable and (2) would there be enough demand given limited geographical spread.

Looking at this from a manufacturer's perspective I can see their reservations, however I think that whichever type were chosen this would, with a decent spec including sound provision at a realistic price-point (not meaning cheap, just not outrageously expensive) be very much a "Rule 1" purchase for most so these issues would not limit sales. However it is all about commercial risk I guess and it wouldn't be me taking it!

Roy

Quote from: Roy L S on October 31, 2023, 11:21:41 AMI have already suggested 1st Gen 4-wheeled diesel railbuses to Revolution, their concerns were that they are (were) all small classes which tended to identify individually with specific lines so it would be a question of (1) which one to do as each manufacturer produced something uniquely identifiable and (2) would there be enough demand given limited geographical spread.

Looking at this from a manufacturer's perspective I can see their reservations, however I think that whichever type were chosen this would, with a decent spec including sound provision at a realistic price-point (not meaning cheap, just not outrageously expensive) be very much a "Rule 1" purchase for most so these issues would not limit sales. However it is all about commercial risk I guess and it wouldn't be me taking it!

Roy

I think there are plenty more marketable DMUs out there. We don't all model branch line terminii  :D

I suspect that Revolution will want to focus on 64' MUs seeing as they have such a design in their hands, and leave the 57' variety to Bachmann (to do the shrink ray on the 105, for example).

The challenge is the 117, of course. Has the Bachmann OO version scuppered this one for ever?

Bob

PS I don't want a railbus in any shape or livery. I have enough on my plate creating Southern EMUs  :angel:

Roy makes a good point.  I have a number of what are Rule 1 items as regards my secondary Scottish line based layouts.  They are run on the club layout midweek or if it is at shows.  eg, 9 coach Duchess/Class 40, 46, 52 or Deltic headed expresses.  Or a 25 wagon mineral train with a G2, Stanier 8F or WD on the front.  But I note some clear "winners" in the poll.  My own 1st choice of the Craven being one of them, along with the 110/104.  With the Derby Lightweight, if I recall there were 2 manifestations.  The early one with those distinctive "cathedral" drivers end large windows, and the later ones looking more like the 107/108.  If I am correct on that, which version would people want? 

Quote from: Bob G on October 31, 2023, 11:34:26 AMThe challenge is the 117, of course. Has the Bachmann OO version scuppered this one for ever?

It would take a brave manufacturer to take on anything in Bachmann's OO Gauge catalogue - the 105 and 117 included.


SB

Lets see what is announced by Bachmann tomorrow (I think it is tomorrow).

I've just finished building 103, 104 110 and  124 units...
Typical - if want something to be released by a manufacturer - spend months building one!!  :D

Quote from: Bob G on October 31, 2023, 12:12:43 PMLets see what is announced by Bachmann tomorrow (I think it is tomorrow).

It is indeed..

Quote from: Stu Fox on October 31, 2023, 12:28:04 PMI've just finished building 103, 104 110 and  124 units...
Typical - if want something to be released by a manufacturer - spend months building one!!  :D

Hi

Whose 124 have you built and any photos?

Cheers

Paul

Hi Paul,

The 124 is a full 6 coach TPE using Worsley sides and ends with Minitrix coaches and bogies for the basic frame. I scratched the under frame equipment and used a Japanese made motor chassis which is under the TSO.

Here's a short video of it on my layout along with the 110 set.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4RUxitDVVbE

Cheers

Stu

Quote from: Stu Fox on October 31, 2023, 05:48:40 PMHi Paul,

The 124 is a full 6 coach TPE using Worsley sides and ends with Minitrix coaches and bogies for the basic frame. I scratched the under frame equipment and used a Japanese made motor chassis which is under the TSO.

Here's a short video of it on my layout along with the 110 set.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4RUxitDVVbE

Cheers

Stu

:offtopicsign:
Selby Swing Bridge?
Forget the trains, can we see more of that please?

I'd go for a class 104
https://www.railcar.co.uk/type/class-104/summary
Plenty of options for 2, 3 or 4 car units including the rare trailer brake 2nd and liveries covering up to Network SouthEast withdrawal in 1993.
Otherwise Bachmann/Farish have wherewithal to shrink their OO Derby Lightweights or 105s

Quote from: Stu Fox on October 31, 2023, 05:48:40 PMHi Paul,

The 124 is a full 6 coach TPE using Worsley sides and ends with Minitrix coaches and bogies for the basic frame. I scratched the under frame equipment and used a Japanese made motor chassis which is under the TSO.

Here's a short video of it on my layout along with the 110 set.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4RUxitDVVbE

Cheers

Stu

Hi

Thanks for that and you've made a good job of it. I have the Worsley Works sides but got them before he did the ends.

How difficult were the ends to shape?

Cheers

Paul

Quote from: PaulCheffus on October 31, 2023, 08:44:12 PM

Quote from: Stu Fox on October 31, 2023, 05:48:40 PMHi Paul,

The 124 is a full 6 coach TPE using Worsley sides and ends with Minitrix coaches and bogies for the basic frame. I scratched the under frame equipment and used a Japanese made motor chassis which is under the TSO.

Here's a short video of it on my layout along with the 110 set.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4RUxitDVVbE

Cheers

Stu

Hi

Thanks for that and you've made a good job of it. I have the Worsley Works sides but got them before he did the ends.

How difficult were the ends to shape?

Cheers

Paul

Thanks. I got 3 with the etches so you get a spare to mess up. Luckily mine worked OK the first time. With the etches being thin I found them fairly simple to bend around a drill bit using a Stanley blade. There's an etch for the headcode box to solder on and a thin etch for the drain strip above the cab windows. I did these before the bending. There's also a couple of half-etched vertical lines for the slight angles on the lower cab.
If you email Allen at Worsley Works he'll likely sell you the cab etch sheet separately.

Cheers

Stu

Yes - Selby  - thanks for recognising it! It's almost a replica but some handrails have been omitted for the sake of sanity!

I'm just working on resin proofing, painting and planting the riverbed before a pour of 'water'.
110 Bridge.pdf

thanks for voting!

the winner was class 105/106!

just one vote behind was the class 104.

reasonable amount of votes for derby lightweight and class 110 as well.

hopefully 2024 will be the year that bachmann release a 105 and revolution or rapido announce a 104!

next poll will be rail buses when I get around to adding it.

cheers


tim