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Title: 4472 Flying Scotsman
Post by: Newportnobby on October 20, 2023, 03:43:47 PM
Has anyone ever made a twin tender 4472 as run by Alan Pegleg (the well known typo)?
As ever, I'm late to the party but thought maybe I should have one as, for whatever reason, it was an icon. I see Dapol have announced one but only single tender and in a set with teaks I don't want
Title: Re: 4472 Flying Scotsman
Post by: Roy L S on October 20, 2023, 04:12:03 PM
Quote from: Newportnobby on October 20, 2023, 03:43:47 PMHas anyone ever made a twin tender 4472 as run by Alan Pegleg (the well known typo)?
As ever, I'm late to the party but thought maybe I should have one as, for whatever reason, it was an icon. I see Dapol have announced one but only single tender and in a set with teaks I don't want

I may be wrong, but if memory serves @Bob Tidbury has a Farish one where he has added a second tender?
Title: Re: 4472 Flying Scotsman
Post by: Steven B on October 20, 2023, 04:17:17 PM
I vaguely remember a resin body being offered by someone years ago.

Today, Farish/Bachmann or Dapol spare parts combined with some sheets of plasticard are the way to go.

Scotsman's second tender appeared in two liveries - LNER Green with 4472 on the side and BR blue/grey with white lining (to match coaching stock at the time).

It was also re-built since the 1970s - the interior side walk way was changed to a crawl space above the water tank. Externally this resulted in the filler being moved.

Other than 4472, it's only ever been used with A4 "Bittern".



Steven B
Title: Re: 4472 Flying Scotsman
Post by: crewearpley40 on October 20, 2023, 04:22:36 PM
Quote from: Roy L S on October 20, 2023, 04:12:03 PM
Quote from: Newportnobby on October 20, 2023, 03:43:47 PMHas anyone ever made a twin tender 4472 as run by Alan Pegleg (the well known typo)?
As ever, I'm late to the party but thought maybe I should have one as, for whatever reason, it was an icon. I see Dapol have announced one but only single tender and in a set with teaks I don't want

I may be wrong, but if memory serves @Bob Tidbury has a Farish one where he has added a second tender?
that's correct Roy because I have seen it and Bob please where did you obtain the second tender ?

Dapol

https://www.hampshiremodels.co.uk/products/dapol-2s-011-007-n-gauge-a1-flying-scotsman-4472-lner-apple-green
Title: Re: 4472 Flying Scotsman
Post by: Firstone18 on October 20, 2023, 04:41:24 PM
Quote from: Newportnobby on October 20, 2023, 03:43:47 PMHas anyone ever made a twin tender 4472 as run by Alan Pegleg (the well known typo)?
As ever, I'm late to the party but thought maybe I should have one as, for whatever reason, it was an icon. I see Dapol have announced one but only single tender and in a set with teaks I don't want
If you get the set, I'd be interested in buying the teaks from you.
Title: Re: 4472 Flying Scotsman
Post by: icairns on October 20, 2023, 08:05:19 PM
The water tender pulled by Flying Scotsman and Bittern is available here as a 3D print:

https://www.shapeways.com/product/86XEYWAMS/lner-water-tender-and-couplings?optionId=301307154&li=marketplace

It is designed to fit on a Graham Farish 8-wheel LNER tender chassis.

Ian
Title: Re: 4472 Flying Scotsman
Post by: PLD on October 21, 2023, 12:17:22 AM
Quote from: crewearpley40 on October 20, 2023, 03:56:45 PMhttps://www.trainshop.co.uk/used-locos/29558-graham-farish-372-379-class-a3-4-6-2-4472-flying-scotsman-with-double-chimney-with-smoke-deflectors-dcc-fitted-n-gauge-use.html



Only one tender
That's not the right condition for its time with the second tender...
You need a version with single chimney and no smoke deflectors.

Dapol have previously done Scotsman in that condition on its own (not in a train pack with coaches) but only one tender- 2S-011-007.

As others have said, it's never been done RTR in N with two tenders, and remember the second tender was cmodified to be a water tank only so it's not as simple as adding a second standard tender.
It is/was available as a resin casting and a 3D print but they of course would need painting to match...
Title: Re: 4472 Flying Scotsman
Post by: Dalteth on October 23, 2023, 08:13:22 PM
This is one of the things on my 'list'. I got a few Dapol 8 wheel tender chassis' about 6 months ago, and they are sat waiting for me to get on with them!

As a relatively basic shape / construction, my plan is to scratch built them in a similar manner to the process I used for my streamlined B17 tender.
Title: Re: 4472 Flying Scotsman
Post by: Bob Tidbury on October 23, 2023, 09:51:46 PM
I made my second tender from a standard Farish one ,
But there is so much drag that I had to remove most of the metal and the pickups and now the loco just about manages the two tenders and 6 Minitrix coaches that I had to remove the weights from but I am not a rivet counter and I am happy with my effort .
A fellow club member then very kindly removed the letters and put the  numbers on for me as my hands are not steady enough now .
I still havnt mastered putting photos on here but I did post a photo on the Forum Facebook page ages ago but its now deleted from my folder ,as I had a problem on my Ipad .
The loco is a single chimney without smoke deflectors and is in  LNER Apple Green livery.
Bob
Title: Re: 4472 Flying Scotsman
Post by: Bealman on October 24, 2023, 12:42:01 AM
I have a poster of it like that on the wall above my layout. I'll take a pic and post it. The location looks to me like Copenhagen Fields.
Title: Re: 4472 Flying Scotsman
Post by: crewearpley40 on October 24, 2023, 01:29:18 AM
Hi with bobs permission @Bob Tidbury

I was visiting a while ago



Here is Flying Scotsman <img src="https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/136/3894-241023012644.jpeg" />


The only photos I have

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https://m.facebook.com/groups/NGaugeForum/permalink/25022962553969334/
Title: Re: 4472 Flying Scotsman
Post by: Bealman on October 24, 2023, 06:21:06 AM
Sometime in the seventies, early eighties, I suspect. Definitely looks like Copenhagen Fields.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/136/255-241023061754-1366061224.jpeg)
Title: Re: 4472 Flying Scotsman
Post by: Newportnobby on October 24, 2023, 10:35:14 AM
This is the variant I'd be looking for but it's only being offered with 4 teaks, although @Firstone18 might be interested in those. I'm not physically able to create models so would have to prevail upon some poor volunteer to make me a suitable tender in the same livery.
Still, it's not due out until Q4 2024 so I have time to decide

https://railsofsheffield.com/products/dapol-2s-011-010d-a1-flying-scotsman-4472-lner-apple-green-4-teak-gresley-coaches-dcc-fitted
Title: Re: 4472 Flying Scotsman
Post by: eddief83 on October 24, 2023, 02:03:37 PM
Quote from: Bealman on October 24, 2023, 06:21:06 AMSometime in the seventies, early eighties, I suspect. Definitely looks like Copenhagen Fields.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/136/255-241023061754-1366061224.jpeg)

1966-1968 more likely, the 2nd tender was painted blue in the 70's, she was overhauled at Darlington in 66 and they painted the cylinders like that as was their tradition