British has lots of 4-6-0s, and also there's lots of model trains.
GWR
Saints-3d shell available.
Castles-Old Grafar and Bachfar make it
Kings-Old Grafar made it, but is repainted version of Castles?
Saints-3d shell available
Halls-Grafar and Dapol made it
Modified Halls-Nothng. Should w renumber original Halls?
Granges, Manors-Dapol made it
Counties-PD Marsh kits
LMS
Prince of Wales-Union Mills
Royal Scots-Bachfar. Maube old white metal kits.
Patriot-Bhe kits and 3d shell
Jubilee-Peco/Rivarossi and Grafar
Black 5-Grafar and Bachfar
LNER
B12-Union Mills
B17,B1-Dapol
SR
N15 King Arthur-Bhe kits
S15-Langley kits
H15-Seems like we need kitbashing
BR
4MT 4-6-0-Langley kits
5MT-Grafar/Bachfar
5AT Advanced Technology-Did someone ever tried this?
I heard KR models tried to make GWR Kings, but no news.
There will be more 4-6-0s prior 1922.
Well, why 4-4-2 Atlantic are scarce?
Re Jubilee and 5MT - not sure these were ever made by GraFar but both were certainly BachFar.
Farish also make a B1, it seems a more popular model than the Dapol one.
Union Mills have now ceased trading with no more models being made.
Models of Atlantics 4-4-2s may be scare as some of the real locos had very tight clearance between their driving wheels, (eg GNR and LBSCR Atlantics) and most were withdrawn by early BR days, so limited market.
Martyn
Atlantics were discussed here last year:
Re: Next Union Mills Model will be...
#457
November 04, 2022, 05:59:25 PM
Actually there have been Atlantics produced in N, as discussed in the following thread a few years ago:
https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=35986.msg425979#msg425979
Since then I've managed to acquire a Churchward 2900 (Saint) Class Scott Series in its early guise that has been converted from a Poole Farish Hall with a white metal Langley tender. It needed a bit of fettling but I couldn't find any early Saint plates and so it is numbered and named as 2932 'Ashton Court' using Fox Transfer etched plates which creates a nice model:
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/127/thumb_231-041122175349.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=127315)
Quote from: msr on September 09, 2023, 03:56:03 PMAtlantics were discussed here last year:
Re: Next Union Mills Model will be...
#457
November 04, 2022, 05:59:25 PM
Actually there have been Atlantics produced in N, as discussed in the following thread a few years ago:
https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=35986.msg425979#msg425979
Since then I've managed to acquire a Churchward 2900 (Saint) Class Scott Series in its early guise that has been converted from a Poole Farish Hall with a white metal Langley tender. It needed a bit of fettling but I couldn't find any early Saint plates and so it is numbered and named as 2932 'Ashton Court' using Fox Transfer etched plates which creates a nice model:
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/127/thumb_231-041122175349.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=127315)
Old Poole chassis? Is it hard to modify?
QuoteSR
N15 King Arthur-Bhe kits
S15-Langley kits
H15-Seems like we need kitbashing
The BHE and Langley kits are both for Urie versions, Maunsell versions need a bit of hacking, cab roofs for both kits, level over the cylinders, the Langley watercart tender oly relevant for a few S15s between mid 1930s and 50s, the BHE N15 tender can be used behind the Langley loco - you can then use the Langley watercart for some of the Drummond 4-4-0s eg T9. Urie H15 Langley loco BHE tender and a chassis with 6' drivers
What about the Nelsons? Possible to hack a Jubilee or Scot
Quote from: Dorsetmike on September 10, 2023, 12:24:29 AMQuoteSR
N15 King Arthur-Bhe kits
S15-Langley kits
H15-Seems like we need kitbashing
The BHE and Langley kits are both for Urie versions, Maunsell versions need a bit of hacking, cab roofs for both kits, level over the cylinders, the Langley watercart tender oly relevant for a few S15s between mid 1930s and 50s, the BHE N15 tender can be used behind the Langley loco - you can then use the Langley watercart for some of the Drummond 4-4-0s eg T9. Urie H15 Langley loco BHE tender and a chassis with 6' drivers
What about the Nelsons? Possible to hack a Jubilee or Scot
Lord Nelson Class had 3d shell.
I forgot it
https://www.shapeways.com/product/Q846R366F/lord-nelson-body-n-gauge
Hope to more SR stuff, like LBSCR H2 Atlantic, E2 tank engine and finescale WC/BoB(Please, Dapol!)
Quote from: Newportnobby on September 09, 2023, 03:18:06 PMRe Jubilee and 5MT - not sure these were ever made by GraFar but both were certainly BachFar.
Quote from: martyn on September 09, 2023, 03:41:28 PMFarish also make a B1, it seems a more popular model than the Dapol one.
Union Mills have now ceased trading with no more models being made.
Models of Atlantics 4-4-2s may be scare as some of the real locos had very tight clearance between their driving wheels, (eg GNR and LBSCR Atlantics) and most were withdrawn by early BR days, so limited market.
Martyn
Yeah
I made some mistake
What if Beechy Head is complete?
Is it possible to see it in n gauge?
I've got a Dapol B1. It runs well, but there are some detail compromises compared to the Farish model.
I have few information about Farish's Kings(Repainted Poole Castle?) and seems like KR Model's Kings are cancelled.
How's about Modified Hall?
Quote from: Bealman on September 10, 2023, 08:43:03 AMI've got a Dapol B1. It runs well, but there are some detail compromises compared to the Farish model.
Farish detail is better, but for riding performance , Dapol is better than Bachfar?
I only have the Dapol model, so can't compare it to the Farish one. My Dapol model runs very smoothly, even at very low speed. Actually it's a pleasure to watch the motion at a crawl.
Not sure what happened as I thought I replied.
The Farish Hall is the modified hall, but runs made with original hall name and numbers and with the less commonly used tender for a modified hall.
The Farish king is not a repainted Farish castle. At the very least it has a different running plate and smoke box.
But yes both are very old models.
The gap in n gauge really is southern ready to 4-6-0 locos
Quote from: leachsprite4 on September 10, 2023, 09:24:08 AMNot sure what happened as I thought I replied.
The Farish Hall is the modified hall, but runs made with original hall name and numbers and with the less commonly used tender for a modified hall.
The Farish king is not a repainted Farish castle. At the very least it has a different running plate and smoke box.
But yes both are very old models.
The gap in n gauge really is southern ready to 4-6-0 locos
Gonna purchase th later.
And replace bogies and attach handrails.
Hope to make King George V, first revival Steam Locomotove
Well' Is it okay to custimize Dapol's Hall to Modified Hall?
The best thing to do is get scale drawings of both on line. There are subtle differences in the engine which could be acceptable, the challenge will be if you want the welded Hawksworth tender as the whole tender would need replacing and that is more complicated with the motor being housed in it.
Quote from: Le Night ferry on September 10, 2023, 09:08:01 AMQuote from: Bealman on September 10, 2023, 08:43:03 AMI've got a Dapol B1. It runs well, but there are some detail compromises compared to the Farish model.
Farish detail is better, but for riding performance , Dapol is better than Bachfar?
the majority opinion is that the Farish version wins on appearance for finesse of the small details.
Mechanically the farish is tender driven and some have found the loco lrone to locking up and skidding along pushed by the tender. The Dapol version is driven by the loco wheels from a motor mounted in the tender and a drive shaft. The farish version relies on spring contacts to carry power from the loco pickups to the tender, dapol is hard-wired which is in theory more reliable but the wires are prone to breaking with rough handling. Result is a near 50:50 split in opinion of which is the better overall...
Recently found company named Foxhunter made white metal kits for GWR Kings.
Do you have information about it?
Foxhunter site is gone...
Foxhunter kits are long out of production but they did make a kit for a King 4-6-0 as shown below. The only way to obtain one now would be on the second-hand market.
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/135/3276-120923045526.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=135547)
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/135/3276-120923045610.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=135548)
Here is a link to an old thread with some information about Foxhunter from circa 2009:
https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=45761.msg581661#msg581661
Ian
Quote from: icairns on September 12, 2023, 05:01:27 AMFoxhunter kits are long out of production but they did make a kit for a King 4-6-0 as shown below. The only way to obtain one now would be on the second-hand market.
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/135/3276-120923045526.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=135547)
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/135/3276-120923045610.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=135548)
Here is a link to an old thread with some information about Foxhunter from circa 2009:
https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=45761.msg581661#msg581661
Ian
GF Castle will be old Poole version of it, right?
Quote from: Le Night ferry on September 12, 2023, 05:18:25 AMQuote from: icairns on September 12, 2023, 05:01:27 AMFoxhunter kits are long out of production but they did make a kit for a King 4-6-0 as shown below. The only way to obtain one now would be on the second-hand market.
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/135/3276-120923045526.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=135547)
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/135/3276-120923045610.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=135548)
Here is a link to an old thread with some information about Foxhunter from circa 2009:
https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=45761.msg581661#msg581661
Ian
GF Castle will be old Poole version of it, right?
Yes, the Poole version, as were all the chassis used for different Foxhunter models. I don't know if the Chinese version of the Poole models will fit, they may do.
In general, Foxhunter kits were amongst the best for the time, but occasionally there were compromises to fit the chassis available. Body/boiler in white metal, fittings in cast brass. Some tender sides/top were etched brass, can't remember now.
Martyn
Quote from: martyn on September 12, 2023, 08:10:32 AMQuote from: Le Night ferry on September 12, 2023, 05:18:25 AMQuote from: icairns on September 12, 2023, 05:01:27 AMFoxhunter kits are long out of production but they did make a kit for a King 4-6-0 as shown below. The only way to obtain one now would be on the second-hand market.
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/135/3276-120923045526.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=135547)
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/135/3276-120923045610.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=135548)
Here is a link to an old thread with some information about Foxhunter from circa 2009:
https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=45761.msg581661#msg581661
Ian
GF Castle will be old Poole version of it, right?
Yes, the Poole version, as were all the chassis used for different Foxhunter models. I don't know if the Chinese version of the Poole models will fit, they may do.
In general, Foxhunter kits were amongst the best for the time, but occasionally there were compromises to fit the chassis available. Body/boiler in white metal, fittings in cast brass. Some tender sides/top were etched brass, can't remember now.
Martyn
Sad that they closed business
Yes, in some ways a pity, but it was another 'one man band' making the kits in spare time as his own hobby.
I've built J39, Austerity 2-8-0, and K3 from this range; as well as 12T vans and LNER Fish vans. Whilst some of the kits have now been replaced by models from RTR firms such as Farish, the Foxhunter kit was, I think, the only way, at least at that time (25+years ago) to get a 3500 gallon tender version of the J39.
Martyn
Yes, it was a different world in the early days of British N gauge.
Quote from: Bealman on September 12, 2023, 09:10:38 AMYes, it was a different world in the early days of British N gauge.
Hard to imagine if there were no Farish in n gauge
Quote from: martyn on September 12, 2023, 08:59:51 AMYes, in some ways a pity, but it was another 'one man band' making the kits in spare time as his own hobby.
I've built J39, Austerity 2-8-0, and K3 from this range; as well as 12T vans and LNER Fish vans. Whilst some of the kits have now been replaced by models from RTR firms such as Farish, the Foxhunter kit was, I think, the only way, at least at that time (25+years ago) to get a 3500 gallon tender version of the J39.
Martyn
You were lucky to have a K3, as I understand it the kit was never formally released, every time I asked he was still to complete the instructions.
I do have an A1 built and painted for me by Fred Hempsall years before the Farish one was announced, it is a lovely loco, now kept only for posterity.
I also had the ROD 2-8-0 kit (LNER 04) but that never got started and I ended up giving away what remained in the box many years ago. I have always felt that the loco would make a good RTR project due to the long life, widespread use (including Europe and Australia) and different variants (Swindon built, side-window cabs, Belpaire or round-topped firebox just off the top of my head) lots of liveries, one preserved.
Roy
OFF TOPIC! OFF TOPIC!
Quote from: Roy L S on September 12, 2023, 10:04:22 AMQuote from: martyn on September 12, 2023, 08:59:51 AMYes, in some ways a pity, but it was another 'one man band' making the kits in spare time as his own hobby.
I've built J39, Austerity 2-8-0, and K3 from this range; as well as 12T vans and LNER Fish vans. Whilst some of the kits have now been replaced by models from RTR firms such as Farish, the Foxhunter kit was, I think, the only way, at least at that time (25+years ago) to get a 3500 gallon tender version of the J39.
Martyn
You were lucky to have a K3, as I understand it the kit was never formally released, every time I asked he was still to complete the instructions.
I do have an A1 built and painted for me by Fred Hempsall years before the Farish one was announced, it is a lovely loco, now kept only for posterity.
I also had the ROD 2-8-0 kit (LNER 04) but that never got started and I ended up giving away what remained in the box many years ago. I have always felt that the loco would make a good RTR project due to the long life, widespread use (including Europe and Australia) and different variants (Swindon built, side-window cabs, Belpaire or round-topped firebox just off the top of my head) lots of liveries, one preserved.
Roy
Yes, I was lucky with the K3. I had met the owner previously at a few shows when exhibiting 'Lynford Junction', and had built the J39/1. I kept pestering about the K3, and the answer was the same as yours; 'I haven't written the instructions'. then at a show where I was a visitor, I met him again, and finally he said 'you have built more than enough kits, if I sell you one it will be without the instructions, but I think you will figure it out'. So he did, and I built it........the kit came with replacement cylinders, as it fitted the Poole 'Crab' chassis; luckily, they went in place first time, to my surprise! However, after traction issues (it was OK, but wouldn't haul as much as I wanted to), I took the Poole motor out of the chassis, and swapped tenders for a Union Mills LNER one. And now it will pull whatever I want. The loco body does sit overheight, though, due to the clearances need to fit the Crab motor. It seems to have been slightly stretched dimension wise vertically.
I built the Austerity later, fitting it with an LNER 8-w Farish tender chassis for improved pick-up; also a number of BR 12T vans (since made by Farish), and a decent set of LNER Fish vans, both sliding and cupboard door versions. The latter can be seen at times on James Street.
I think the cast brass fittings for the K3 were by N-Brass; at least Nick sold/sells a very similar set.
Martyn
The obvious missing 4-6-0 is the first UK one, the Highland Railways, Jones Goods.
The Jones Goods is one I'll eventually make it no one brings one out..