Since n gauge marketplace is growing, lots of locomotives are made into n gauge.
But some of them are not in n gauge(excluding 3d printing/brass model/kits/Del prado).
Which locomotive/railcar do you want to see as n gauge?
It could be LNER P2, GWR's Great Bear, LMS Patriot, SR's King Arthur or Lore Nelson.
Maybe SNCF's steamers(Hornby, please make Jouef sell n gauge!!) or Italian, Eastern European and Russian locomotive.
I've seen some Australian n gauge models, but for steam it is scarce...
Or maybe new version of old models, like Grafar's Rebuilt Merchant Navy or Con-Cor's American locomotive(They were made by Kato. Hope to Kato make sime of them after Big Boy).
Wow, still many locos want to be n gauge!
Wow, still many l
Any SR 4-6-0 as I've said many times on this forum and others
Quote from: Dorsetmike on July 07, 2023, 04:40:10 PM
Any SR 4-6-0 as I've said many times on this forum and others
It's quite surprising that still no sr 4-6-0 fo Dapol or Farish...
As I'm not really physically able to build stuff myself I'd love to have a RTR 'Lion', 'Falcon' and 'Kestrel' but I just can't see such prototypes being reproduced. I'll be OK steam wise when/if the Bulleid light pacifics and GWR Mogul happen
That's easy
GWR King
GWR County
GWR Mogul ( this is a surprising omission from current range as it was the most numerous GWR tender loco and could be seen on almost any type of train)
GWR 94xx
GWR 47xx - an excellent loco for passenger trains on a summer Saturday, perhaps not so useful as a "night owl" freight loco.
And now Union Mills have stopped
GWR Dukedog
GWR City of Truro
GWR 2251
Oh, and a 45/46
Quote from: Le Night ferry on July 07, 2023, 04:25:37 PM
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Maybe SNCF's steamers(Hornby, please make Jouef sell n gauge!!) or Italian, Eastern European and Russian locomotive.
Hornby own the Arnold N gauge range which includes French, Italian, German and other European types. They have DR (former East-German) models.
A lot of Russian stuff would be broad gauge, so a bit of a compromise to make at 1:160 on 9mm track. Some of the old 1970s Piko models (very cheap and simple) represented broad gauge stock I think.
Quote from: ntpntpntp on July 07, 2023, 06:07:21 PM
Quote from: Le Night ferry on July 07, 2023, 04:25:37 PM
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Maybe SNCF's steamers(Hornby, please make Jouef sell n gauge!!) or Italian, Eastern European and Russian locomotive.
Hornby own the Arnold N gauge range which includes French, Italian, German and other European types. They have DR (former East-German) models.
A lot of Russian stuff would be broad gauge, so a bit of a compromise to make at 1:160 on 9mm track. Some of the old 1970s Piko models (very cheap and simple) represented broad gauge stock I think.
Arnold released 141r and hope to make more sncf steams.
Piko-Although they are toyrish, they covered lots of Eastern European trains. Waiting for making east european trains...
Quote from: Le Night ferry on July 08, 2023, 01:18:45 AM
Piko-Although they are toyrish, they covered lots of Eastern European trains. Waiting for making east european trains...
Be careful here. Modern Piko locomotives are of very good quality and have nothing to do with those from GDR times, which were products of their time.
But then, modern Piko does not offer Eastern European trains.
Fleischmann had a RZD M62: https://www.fleischmann.de/fen/products/locomotives/diesel-locomotives/725276-diesel-locomotive-m62-rzd.html (https://www.fleischmann.de/fen/products/locomotives/diesel-locomotives/725276-diesel-locomotive-m62-rzd.html)
and Kühn had the C(S)D class 372 locos: https://www.elriwa.de/Kuehn-95012-E-Lok-Rh372-Knoedelpresse-CD-Ep.V/A163859 (https://www.elriwa.de/Kuehn-95012-E-Lok-Rh372-Knoedelpresse-CD-Ep.V/A163859)
These are, admittedly, all locos which had German equivalents and would therefore sell on this quite large market.
I am surprised that neither Minitrix nor Arnold have released a Russian ICE3 variant (Sapsan). But I don't see that coming in the foreseeable future.
Best
Michael
Class 25/3 would seem the obvious one in BR Diesels, Farish have the appropriate modern chassis under their Class 24 and earlier body style 25 but still insist on pumping out the ancient Poole Era tooling 25/3 for some reason.
Dapol have the GWR Mogul and Battle of Britain underway, as well as quite a few bits not yet ready to announce.
Quote from: Adam1701D on July 11, 2023, 04:37:11 PM
Dapol have the . . . Battle of Britain underway . . .
Aye, what is it now? 11 years since being announced?
Quote from: jmupton2000 on July 11, 2023, 04:12:07 PM
Class 25/3 would seem the obvious one in BR Diesels, Farish have the appropriate modern chassis under their Class 24 and earlier body style 25 but still insist on pumping out the ancient Poole Era tooling 25/3 for some reason.
Before Covid, at TINGS, someone from Farish said they were milking the 24 and 25/0 and 25/1 body shapes as most punters wouldn't know the difference. But if someone came along and suggested they might do a 25/3, Farish would dust off the design and get a new body out before the competition.
Now I don't believe that Farish know how to jump far enough to do that, given their delays on re-releasing much needed Mk 1 coaches, but their apparent disdain for the punters of this world did surprise me. Most small boys and girls who are into trains would know the difference, and that knowledge is retained until we drop dead.
I too would like a 25/3 to modern standards.
Bob
I still think that no Southern 4-6-0 is the most glaring omission. How many here would buy one - or more?
There are enough 4-6-0s for the other companies, so surely there must be some suitable chassis in terms of wheel diameters and spacings and valve gear.
Quote from: mrobs2002 on July 11, 2023, 05:20:23 PM
Quote from: Adam1701D on July 11, 2023, 04:37:11 PM
Dapol have the . . . Battle of Britain underway . . .
Aye, what is it now? 11 years since being announced?
I understand the frustration from both the Dapol and N Gauge modeller perspective. I do not want to say too much until we actually have something physical to show but what I have seen so far looks amazing.
Quote from: Adam1701D on July 11, 2023, 05:34:24 PM
Quote from: mrobs2002 on July 11, 2023, 05:20:23 PM
Quote from: Adam1701D on July 11, 2023, 04:37:11 PM
Dapol have the . . . Battle of Britain underway . . .
Aye, what is it now? 11 years since being announced?
I understand the frustration from both the Dapol and N Gauge modeller perspective. I do not want to say too much until we actually have something physical to show but what I have seen so far looks amazing.
I can guarantee that if @Hailstone (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=1193) has built a kit of it, then it will come to fruition!
Bob
PS can you persuade Joel to release the High-Window Maunsells in BR(S) Green and in Crimson-Cream? You can't go around "punishing" your southern client base for not buying the least marketable livery that you decided to launch the model in by not releasing any more in the more sellable liveries (oh and don't bring up the original maroon Gresley issue. The reason we didn't buy them is that the bogie spacings were hideously wrong, not because they were not wanted).
@Bob G (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=1517)
Agree about the maroon Gresleys......not sure the second version is much better.
Now we would like the maroon Farish Thompsons.
Martyn
I've just sent messages via their websites to both Farish and Dapol asking why no SR 4-6-0s. Perhaps if a number of us all send similar messages they might wake up.
There may be some truth in the old sayings "nobody models the SR 'cos nobody makes SR locos" or "nobody makes SR locos 'cos nobody models the SR" Judging by recent posts on this forum there are quite a number of us, from a few pre grouping types to BR(S). I model mid 1930s so spam cans & diseasels are out, I've been modelling N gauge since 1974, I'm now 89 so the sooner we get some SR RTR 4-6-0s the better, my eyesight and hand/eye coordination are deteriorating so hacking and kit bashing are getting a bit iffy.
Given the plethora of some companies steam locos being modelled, the biggest omission for England is for the sizeable Lancs & Yorks. Apart from the Grafar Crab (arguably more LMS than L&Y due its date of introduction, sorry Hughes), the little steam railcar kit, and the aged 0-6-0T saddle tank kit there's a yawning gulf.
Easy chassis conversions for RTR sales would be 0-6-0's like the Class 27, "A", Hughes 4-6-0, but the most noticeable absence and deeply missed of all time is the 2-4-2T in long and short bunker form, with a wide variety of L&Y, LMS and BR liveries all valid, a very successful and long lived loco class, even preserved.
And the chassis would do at a pinch for other 2-4-0T and 2-4-2T, like the LNWR ones.
Never mind, lets have another taper boiler GWR that's near impossible to differentiate from any other.......... (JOKE!!)
Well it wont happen (and very limited as to location I know) but the EM1 and EM2 s green and blue....
I know there's a Shapeways options for the body but a RTR one please!
Mind no one expected a Metro Vick.
Andy
Quote from: Bad Raven on July 11, 2023, 09:07:40 PM
Never mind, lets have another taper boiler GWR that's near impossible to differentiate from any other.......... (JOKE!!)
You didn't need to say joke to make me laugh 😁😁😁
Don't forget the cabs that might or might not have side windows....
Bob
I'd be nice to complete the old Farish catalogue with newer models. The Crab, 4P and the J94, together with the GWR railcar class 25/3, 87 and 91 are still to be re-done.
Moving forwards, a N15 "King Arthur" would be welcome (777 in 1980s condition please!). Whilst 4-6-0s are missing from the SR, 2-6-0s are missing else where - the LMS crab as previously mentioned, together with a LNER K1 would plug some holes. There are also plenty of 4-4-0s to have a go at.
A class 85 and 87 would be high on my list too. With Rapido very likely to do the 45/1 my diesel wish list will be just about full. More liveries on the 37 and 47 would be nice though.
Steven B
I am going to be the boring one and try to make sensible suggestions. To me the biggest gaps are on the steam front, post 68 the main types lacking are WCML electrics principally the 87 or Southern 3rd Rail EMU's. But where do the steam gaps lie? Models produced in recent times are as follows:-
LNER - A1, A2, A3, A4, B1, B17, J39, J50
LMS - Duchess, Black 5, Royal Scot, Jubilee, 4F, 8F, Jinty, Ivatt 2MT 2-6-0 and 2-6-2T
GWR - Castle, Hall, Grange, Manor, 28XX, 45XX, 57XX, 64XX, 14XX. 61XX and 63XX announced
Southern - Merchant Navy, Schools, M7, N Mogul, Terrier
BR Standard - Brit, 9F, 5MT 4-6-0, 4MT 2-6-0, 4MT 2-6-4T, 3MT 2-6-2T
The only big freight engines really are the 28XX, 8F and 9F. So LNER is missing your freight hauler. But which one gets the vote? V2 is an obvious choice but surely some kind of O? 2-8-0 or Q 0-8-0 should step forward too. LNER's biggest problem (and this is my favourite so definitely not bashing them) is they kept a lot of smaller classes of 0-6-0's from different pre-grouping. If you pick a J11 then the GER will be upset, if you pick a J15 then the NER will be upset, pick a J27 then the NBR will be upset. Pick a J36 and the GCR will be upset. Similar logic to big freight - do you do an O4 (GCR) or Q6 (NER)? But ideally we need something from this section to cover all bases.
LMS is lacking more smaller engines such as 2P 4-4-0 types. This is where I would want them to look, wishlisting one is a SDJR 7F 2-8-0 to emerge, if one did I would start building an S&D layout tomorrow!
GWR - Your biggest omission to me is a King. Possibly a 47XX and a 10XX County with some of the earlier locos such as the City class that would expand the range. I model the GWR so have a decent fleet already but it is full of duplicates
Southern - clearly the gap is your mid-range engines, King Arthur, S15 etc.
BR Standard - I would say the main gap is the 75XXX 4MT 4-6-0
In an ideal world I would like to see a large express engine, mixed traffic engine, large freight, small tender engine, Large and small tank engine for each grouping so I have comiled the below, Bold models are my suggestions to complete the gaps so to speak - can anyone suggest a Large Southern Tank?
Express Mixed Large Freight Small Tender Large Tank Small Tank
LNER A1-A4 B1, B17, V2 O4, Q6 J39, J11/15/27/36 N2/V1/V3 J50, J52/72
LMS Duchess, Princess Black5, Jubilee, Scot 8F 4F, 2P Fairburn 4MT Jinty
GWR Castle, King 49XX, 68XX, 78XX 28XX Collett Goods 61XX 14XX, 57XX, 64XX
Southern Merchant, Light King Arthur S15 C Class M7, Terrier
BR Brit 5MT, 4MT 4-6-0 9F 4MT 2-6-0 4Mt 2-6-4T N/A
LNER 0-6-0T locos. We have the old Farish J94 Austerity and the Sonic J50 Submarine, but the very old Grafar J69 is long gone, and, having owned a couple, not much missed. and both Dapol and Farish promised a J72, which was then dropped by them both.
We seem to have very many GWR Panniers but precious few LNER 0-6-0Ts. No LNER layout would in reality be without at least one, as a branch line loco or station pilot.
We appear to be turning the thread into a wish list, so here's mine : class 25 with the revised body shape, with the variation of 5 locomotives with heating so there's no unsightly gap between the bogies !
Whilst I prefer corporate blue they did look ok in two tone green as well.
Surprised that lots of BR diesels didn't released as n gauge.
Is there London Underground or other city's Metro in n gauge?
Quote from: Bad Raven on July 11, 2023, 09:07:40 PM
Given the plethora of some companies steam locos being modelled, the biggest omission for England is for the sizeable Lancs & Yorks. Apart from the Grafar Crab (arguably more LMS than L&Y due its date of introduction, sorry Hughes), the little steam railcar kit, and the aged 0-6-0T saddle tank kit there's a yawning gulf.
Easy chassis conversions for RTR sales would be 0-6-0's like the Class 27, "A", Hughes 4-6-0, but the most noticeable absence and deeply missed of all time is the 2-4-2T in long and short bunker form, with a wide variety of L&Y, LMS and BR liveries all valid, a very successful and long lived loco class, even preserved.
And the chassis would do at a pinch for other 2-4-0T and 2-4-2T, like the LNWR ones.
Never mind, lets have another taper boiler GWR that's near impossible to differentiate from any other.......... (JOKE!!)
If I attach bogie, then I could make James finally
Quote from: jmupton2000 on July 11, 2023, 04:12:07 PM
Class 25/3 would seem the obvious one in BR Diesels, Farish have the appropriate modern chassis under their Class 24 and earlier body style 25 but still insist on pumping out the ancient Poole Era tooling 25/3 for some reason.
While I agree a 25/3 would seem logical, in actual fact Bachmann haven't released any Poole era Class 25s for many years (15 or more probably), way before the release of the Class 24 and new DCC ready Class 25/1, they certainly haven't been "pumping them out"!
Quote from: Le Night ferry on July 12, 2023, 03:19:55 PM
Surprised that lots of BR diesels didn't released as n gauge.
Is there London Underground or other city's Metro in n gauge?
Nearly all major classes of diesels have been released in N gauge, at some time or another.
Released: shunter classes 03,04,08/09,and larger locos classes 14,17,20,22,24,25,26,27,28,31,33,35,37,40,42,44,45,46,47,50,52,55,56,59 (due),60,66,67,70
Not released: some early non-TOPS classified shunters, plus shunters 01,02,05,06,07,11,12,13,and larger locos classes 15,16,23,29,41,43,53
We are now at the point where sub-classes are being discussed, e.g. a newer version of the 25/3.
Bob
Oh
I forget about mentioning 4-4-2s...
Regarding Ex-LNER, a J11 and/or O4/1 would be the obvious choice, as Bachmann already do them in OO. Personally I would like to see a B16 of some description and an N1. A Farish V2 with better pulling powers would also be nice (although mine has got a little better with time).
Peter
I think a V2 would be the best commercial choice for Farish.
First generation dmu
101, 108, 121 have been released. 117 be cool. Ist generation emu like 304, 310
I would to add my voice for a decent Class 25/3 in N. This is probably one of the largest gaps in the diesel fleet, now that Rapido are doing a Peak.
Agree there Adam
I agree with many of the above comments.
My personal choice - one which i am always bugging the main players about is the Princess Royal class.
A chap from Farish once told me that it wasn't likely as it was a small class. When i said that Farish had produced the prototype Deltic, he got busy with something else :-\
When you think of it, Farish could conceivably sell 12 Princess Royal locos to each interested party, as opposed to just 1 Deltic.
Sorry, just my twopeneth worth.
Also - how about some variation to the Coronation class? Continuous footplate, flattened smokebox, the last two?
Tony
No response from Farish nor Dapol to my email of July 11 re lack of Southern 4-6-0s, why am I not surprised?
Quote from: Dorsetmike on July 24, 2023, 11:56:59 AMNo response from Farish nor Dapol to my email of July 11 re lack of Southern 4-6-0s, why am I not surprised?
Hi Mike - I shall chase this up. We do have quite long a list of unannounced N Gauge models that are either in early stages of development or in the queue but cannot confirm any more details.
Quote from: Alcazar on July 22, 2023, 10:41:36 AMRegarding Ex-LNER, a J11 and/or O4/1 would be the obvious choice, as Bachmann already do them in OO. Personally I would like to see a B16 of some description and an N1. A Farish V2 with better pulling powers would also be nice (although mine has got a little better with time).
Peter
Farish's tender driven locos are very weak to haul coaches.
Should I attach weight to tender?
Quote from: Le Night ferry on July 24, 2023, 12:45:49 PMQuote from: Alcazar on July 22, 2023, 10:41:36 AMRegarding Ex-LNER, a J11 and/or O4/1 would be the obvious choice, as Bachmann already do them in OO. Personally I would like to see a B16 of some description and an N1. A Farish V2 with better pulling powers would also be nice (although mine has got a little better with time).
Peter
Farish's tender driven locos are very weak to haul coaches.
Should I attach weight to tender?
Have you fitted the second set of axle/wheels with the traction tyres on them?
All mine have two sets of axles/wheels with tyres, and they can haul 8 coaches or about 25-30 4 wheel wagons.
Martyn
For all those asking for Southern 4-6-0's does Dapol or Bachmann do them in OO? This is not a bashing of Southern as I do like their locos and would love a King Arthur or a Nelson for my layout. I can only think of the King Arhur, S15 and Nelson available in OO for Southern 4-6-0's and all these are in the Hornby range
What I am thinking is that does either manufacturer have the research they can use for the N gauge version, this helps reduce development time and cost, but I am struggling for one from either.
Quote from: Le Night ferry on July 24, 2023, 12:45:49 PMFarish's tender driven locos are very weak to haul coaches.
Should I attach weight to tender?
Not suffered this at all, although I have no gradients on my layout.
I'd be happy to see a retooled V2, too, as the old one doesn't really cut it.
An unrebuilt 'Patriot' would be a nice addition to my steam fleet :drool:
Quote from: martyn on July 24, 2023, 01:46:57 PMQuote from: Le Night ferry on July 24, 2023, 12:45:49 PMQuote from: Alcazar on July 22, 2023, 10:41:36 AMRegarding Ex-LNER, a J11 and/or O4/1 would be the obvious choice, as Bachmann already do them in OO. Personally I would like to see a B16 of some description and an N1. A Farish V2 with better pulling powers would also be nice (although mine has got a little better with time).
Peter
Farish's tender driven locos are very weak to haul coaches.
Should I attach weight to tender?
Have you fitted the second set of axle/wheels with the traction tyres on them?
All mine have two sets of axles/wheels with tyres, and they can haul 8 coaches or about 25-30 4 wheel wagons.
Martyn
Quote from: martyn on July 24, 2023, 01:46:57 PMQuote from: Le Night ferry on July 24, 2023, 12:45:49 PMQuote from: Alcazar on July 22, 2023, 10:41:36 AMRegarding Ex-LNER, a J11 and/or O4/1 would be the obvious choice, as Bachmann already do them in OO. Personally I would like to see a B16 of some description and an N1. A Farish V2 with better pulling powers would also be nice (although mine has got a little better with time).
Peter
Farish's tender driven locos are very weak to haul coaches.
Should I attach weight to tender?
Have you fitted the second set of axle/wheels with the traction tyres on them?
All mine have two sets of axles/wheels with tyres, and they can haul 8 coaches or about 25-30 4 wheel wagons.
Martyn
Gonna try it
Inshould buy spares...
Quote from: eddief83 on July 24, 2023, 01:55:17 PMFor all those asking for Southern 4-6-0's does Dapol or Bachmann do them in OO? This is not a bashing of Southern as I do like their locos and would love a King Arthur or a Nelson for my layout. I can only think of the King Arhur, S15 and Nelson available in OO for Southern 4-6-0's and all these are in the Hornby range
What I am thinking is that does either manufacturer have the research they can use for the N gauge version, this helps reduce development time and cost, but I am struggling for one from either.
Always thinking what if Hornby and Jouef make n gauge...
Please more SNCF steamers-hard to find fine rivarossi 231!