A recent Rails email announces that Soinic are to produce the Newton Chambers car carriers in N Gauge.
Available in packs of three in both maroon and blue/grey.
Personally, I'm over the moon and will take six for the Anglo-Scottish Car Carrier, Perth-King's Cross (Holloway).
Best
Scott.
https://railsofsheffield.com/collections/n-gauge-newton-chambers-car-transporter-packs?_kx=1RgHMA349RmAJbMizFDUkFyJe-UtY-HWSm0EEmXyWfhEPZ_JhpQgMZoANxhBTgyY.RXkVMS&utm_campaign=Sonic Car Carrier&utm_id=01GZ0TPPKY2ARQTC12BN7XV33S&utm_medium=campaign&utm_source=Klaviyo
I wonder if Sam at Sonic had sight of the Heljan OO designs at all?
In my case I am not at all interested, but I can see why you want them. Strange that they don't fit in with any of Sonic's other N gauge output. He's a very random character (except where GWR is concerned).
Bob
Not sure even my imagination will stretch to those appearing Oxfordshire but I am impressed Sonic are producing them and hope they sell well
Quote from: Bob G on April 27, 2023, 12:14:56 PM
I wonder if Sam at Sonic had sight of the Heljan OO designs at all?
In my case I am not at all interested, but I can see why you want them. Strange that they don't fit in with any of Sonic's other N gauge output. He's a very random character (except where GWR is concerned).
Bob
Heljan are making them for Rails in OO so I assume they (Rails) are commissioning Sonic to make an N version. Ignore me, I thought the Heljan OO were a rails exclusive but it appears not. I'm not sure where I got that from then.
As you were.
Best
Scott
Forgive my scepticism, but having paid deposits for two J50s which were originally supposed to have been delivered well over a year ago, I will keep my powder dry for now.
If these models are actually in production as is being said and delivery is indeed due Q4 2023, I find it surprising that we are being shown illustrations at this point rather than at the very least EPs but one would actually I think reasonably expect to see deco samples.
Roy
I'm very tempted, but not really au fait with sphere of operation, motive power, formations etc.
Not too fazed about paying a deposit. Can't remember when I paid upfront for my Revolution parcels unit - that was some time ago.
It's the way things are in these times of uncertainty.
Quote from: Bingley Hall on April 27, 2023, 02:01:49 PMI'm very tempted, but not really au fait with sphere of operation, motive power, formations etc.
Found the following on another forum
"History
Originally designated as TCVs, the vehicles later became NVV (vacuum braked) and NVX (dual braked) under BR's TOPS computer system. Unusually, they featured a hydraulically operated central well capable of storing two cars as well as four cars on the upper deck – a 50% increase in capacity over more conventional car carrying vehicles of the time.
When introduced in the early-1960s, the TCV car transporters were used between London, York and Edinburgh in sets of five or six vehicles with a handful of BR maroon Mk1 coaches, hauled by ex-LNER 'Pacifics' and later BR green 'Deltics', Class 40s, 45s, 46s or 47s. From the late-1960s onwards, they were painted in BR blue/grey and started to venture further afield on 'Motorail' services from London and northern England to the West of England, being hauled by Class 45s, 46s, 47s and 'Westerns'. However, they were closely associated with the East Coast Main Line throughout their career."
Quote from: Buzzard on April 27, 2023, 02:18:28 PM
Quote from: Bingley Hall on April 27, 2023, 02:01:49 PMI'm very tempted, but not really au fait with sphere of operation, motive power, formations etc.
Found the following on another forum
"History
Originally designated as TCVs, the vehicles later became NVV (vacuum braked) and NVX (dual braked) under BR's TOPS computer system. Unusually, they featured a hydraulically operated central well capable of storing two cars as well as four cars on the upper deck – a 50% increase in capacity over more conventional car carrying vehicles of the time.
When introduced in the early-1960s, the TCV car transporters were used between London, York and Edinburgh in sets of five or six vehicles with a handful of BR maroon Mk1 coaches, hauled by ex-LNER 'Pacifics' and later BR green 'Deltics', Class 40s, 45s, 46s or 47s. From the late-1960s onwards, they were painted in BR blue/grey and started to venture further afield on 'Motorail' services from London and northern England to the West of England, being hauled by Class 45s, 46s, 47s and 'Westerns'. However, they were closely associated with the East Coast Main Line throughout their career."
Cool. Green Deltic- tick; handful of BR maroon Mk1 coaches - tick; Rule 1 - tick.
I think I'm in for a triple pack in maroon.
Thanks
Quote from: Buzzard on April 27, 2023, 02:18:28 PM
Quote from: Bingley Hall on April 27, 2023, 02:01:49 PMI'm very tempted, but not really au fait with sphere of operation, motive power, formations etc.
Found the following on another forum
"History
Originally designated as TCVs, the vehicles later became NVV (vacuum braked) and NVX (dual braked) under BR's TOPS computer system. Unusually, they featured a hydraulically operated central well capable of storing two cars as well as four cars on the upper deck – a 50% increase in capacity over more conventional car carrying vehicles of the time.
When introduced in the early-1960s, the TCV car transporters were used between London, York and Edinburgh in sets of five or six vehicles with a handful of BR maroon Mk1 coaches, hauled by ex-LNER 'Pacifics' and later BR green 'Deltics', Class 40s, 45s, 46s or 47s. From the late-1960s onwards, they were painted in BR blue/grey and started to venture further afield on 'Motorail' services from London and northern England to the West of England, being hauled by Class 45s, 46s, 47s and 'Westerns'. However, they were closely associated with the East Coast Main Line throughout their career."
They got further North than Edinburgh in the 60s, certainly, operating on the Perth - London Holloway car carrier, where 6 TCVs were used (Later (66) it was 5 TCVs from Perth with a sixth added at Newcastle). There was a day train and a night train. The day train had 4 Mk1s (RU, FO, FK, BSO) and the night train had 6 Mk1s (5 SLSTP, BSO). Later, into the 70s I think, they turned up on Inverness Sleepers as well.
Hattons and Rails both suggest they were used on North -east to south-west services but I can't recall seeing images of that, which isn't to say they weren't.
Best
Scott.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51740143245_5191794659_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2mQ6KZg)Class 31 31189 - London Kings Cross. (https://flic.kr/p/2mQ6KZg) by Martyn Hilbert (https://www.flickr.com/photos/martynhilbert/), on Flickr
https://flic.kr/p/NQGdbF (https://flic.kr/p/NQGdbF)
https://flic.kr/p/2jJs8Ag (https://flic.kr/p/2jJs8Ag)
https://flic.kr/p/2a9vDMw (https://flic.kr/p/2a9vDMw)
https://flic.kr/p/2mnvUEf (https://flic.kr/p/2mnvUEf)
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/16612820332_e308b15405_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/rj23GL)My father`s Vauxhall Victor being loaded onto the Anglo Scottish Car Carrier at Perth after a family holiday in Scotland 1963 (https://flic.kr/p/rj23GL) by Phil (https://www.flickr.com/photos/91977133@N04/), on Flickr
Another wagon where very few were actually built - in this case 14. Presumably 2 x 6 car rakes (plus Mk 1s) and two spares.
Would rather have had a DMU (117 or 205), or an EMU (4-REP/4-TC/4-CIG/4-VEP/2-EPB/4-SUB...). Never mind. Gotta keep the eastern region fans happy. Next time eh?
Bob
A photo I have from July 1962 of the up Edinburgh - Holloway train is a cl 40, CCT(E) (converted from short Gresley composite), mk 1 GUV, 5 Newton Chambers, and then four unitentifiable Mk 1s. Loco in green no syp, stock various shades of maroon.
Martyn
Quote from: NGS-PO on April 27, 2023, 02:51:38 PM
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51740143245_5191794659_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2mQ6KZg)Class 31 31189 - London Kings Cross. (https://flic.kr/p/2mQ6KZg) by Martyn Hilbert (https://www.flickr.com/photos/martynhilbert/), on Flickr
https://flic.kr/p/NQGdbF (https://flic.kr/p/NQGdbF)
https://flic.kr/p/2jJs8Ag (https://flic.kr/p/2jJs8Ag)
https://flic.kr/p/2a9vDMw (https://flic.kr/p/2a9vDMw)
https://flic.kr/p/2mnvUEf (https://flic.kr/p/2mnvUEf)
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/16612820332_e308b15405_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/rj23GL)My father`s Vauxhall Victor being loaded onto the Anglo Scottish Car Carrier at Perth after a family holiday in Scotland 1963 (https://flic.kr/p/rj23GL) by Phil (https://www.flickr.com/photos/91977133@N04/), on Flickr
I learned to drive in a Vauxhall Victor like that!
Martyn
I'd love to imagine an Edinburgh - South Coast (Southampton/Bournemouth) with 3 x sleepers, 4 x MK1s and some TCVs but my layout's not big enough :*(
Quote from: NGS-PO on April 27, 2023, 12:25:14 PM
Quote from: Bob G on April 27, 2023, 12:14:56 PM
I wonder if Sam at Sonic had sight of the Heljan OO designs at all?
Heljan are making them for Rails in OO so I assume they (Rails) are commissioning Sonic to make an N version.
Ignore me, I thought the Heljan OO were a rails exclusive but it appears not. I'm not sure where I got that from then.
I thought you had inside knowledge, but the car carriers are listed in the Heljan 2023 catalogue, for delivery in Q3/Q4 2023 (same date that Rails quoted) so I guess they are not a Rails exclusive.
Sonic however is exclusive to Rails, so I can see where you could be led to think there was a link.
I believe the Q3/Q4 2023 date rails quoted is actually the dategiven for the OO version, not the N version, but that is a pure guess.
Bob
Bingo!
Evidence of SouthWestern service TCVs
(https://www.rail-online.co.uk/img/s/v-10/p2119497898-3.jpg) (https://www.rail-online.co.uk/p138684853/e7e54f8aa)
Bingo!
Evidence of SouthWestern service TCVs
(https://www.rail-online.co.uk/img/s/v-10/p2119497898-3.jpg) (https://www.rail-online.co.uk/p138684853/e7e54f8aa)
https://content-eu.invisioncic.com/y320084/monthly_2022_11/C877A307-AA2F-4E84-A8BA-D0193865131F.jpeg.7d23ce3936b02f4adae95fddd45de624.jpeg (https://content-eu.invisioncic.com/y320084/monthly_2022_11/C877A307-AA2F-4E84-A8BA-D0193865131F.jpeg.7d23ce3936b02f4adae95fddd45de624.jpeg)
Oh well, it had to happen. My scratchbuilt TCV of four years back now about to make it onto the RTR scene. However, I don't think I'll be replacing it. I only needed the one for the Euston to Perth service. :D
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/131/5731-270423191758.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=131856)
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Will those who put this at the top of their wish list please step forward.
I hope that Sonic did not spend too much on market research before launching this project ?
Quote from: joe cassidy on April 27, 2023, 08:56:54 PM
Will those who put this at the top of their wish list please step forward.
I hope that Sonic did not spend too much on market research before launching this project ?
I sense a note of sarcasm. But you are right only 14 of these were ever built. Two rakes worth plus spares.
But there are two manufacturers making GWR Loriots and only two of those were ever built. Madness in my view.
Bob
The market is so unpredictable.
All credit to those manufacturers who take a flier on an exotic prototype, especially Farish with their SECR C class 0-6-0.
My green C class is my favourite small loco and I'm looking forward to my pre-ordered SECR wagons.
Quote from: NGS-PO on April 27, 2023, 06:38:31 PM
Bingo!
Evidence of SouthWestern service TCVs
(https://www.rail-online.co.uk/img/s/v-10/p2119497898-3.jpg) (https://www.rail-online.co.uk/p138684853/e7e54f8aa)
https://content-eu.invisioncic.com/y320084/monthly_2022_11/C877A307-AA2F-4E84-A8BA-D0193865131F.jpeg.7d23ce3936b02f4adae95fddd45de624.jpeg (https://content-eu.invisioncic.com/y320084/monthly_2022_11/C877A307-AA2F-4E84-A8BA-D0193865131F.jpeg.7d23ce3936b02f4adae95fddd45de624.jpeg)
The Rails announcement says that these later worked to the West of England. But well done for finding evidence.
Martyn
I'd like a James Bond car to go with mine:
https://blog.railwaymuseum.org.uk/james-bond-007-lets-the-train-take-the-strain/
Quote from: martyn on April 27, 2023, 09:24:47 PM
Quote from: NGS-PO on April 27, 2023, 06:38:31 PM
Bingo!
Evidence of SouthWestern service TCVs
(https://www.rail-online.co.uk/img/s/v-10/p2119497898-3.jpg) (https://www.rail-online.co.uk/p138684853/e7e54f8aa)
https://content-eu.invisioncic.com/y320084/monthly_2022_11/C877A307-AA2F-4E84-A8BA-D0193865131F.jpeg.7d23ce3936b02f4adae95fddd45de624.jpeg (https://content-eu.invisioncic.com/y320084/monthly_2022_11/C877A307-AA2F-4E84-A8BA-D0193865131F.jpeg.7d23ce3936b02f4adae95fddd45de624.jpeg)
The Rails announcement says that these later worked to the West of England. But well done for finding evidence.
Martyn
To a North-East Rivieran like myself, Newton Abbot is the West of England...😬
Best
Scott
Quote from: Bob G on April 27, 2023, 04:54:19 PM
Quote from: NGS-PO on April 27, 2023, 12:25:14 PM
Quote from: Bob G on April 27, 2023, 12:14:56 PM
I wonder if Sam at Sonic had sight of the Heljan OO designs at all?
Heljan are making them for Rails in OO so I assume they (Rails) are commissioning Sonic to make an N version.
Ignore me, I thought the Heljan OO were a rails exclusive but it appears not. I'm not sure where I got that from then.
I thought you had inside knowledge...
Bob
No, sorry again, clearly not thinking straight!
Best
Scott.
(https://andygibbs.zenfolio.com/img/s/v-10/p574220910-2.jpg) (https://andygibbs.zenfolio.com/p234657234/e2239ea6e)
Quote from: Bob G on April 27, 2023, 09:09:09 PM
But you are right only 14 of these were ever built. Two rakes worth plus spares.
But there are two manufacturers making GWR Loriots and only two of those were ever built. Madness in my view.
Bob
Small numbers don't stop models getting produced:
prototype Deltic (1)
Mk1 Pullman Bar (1) (The most common Mk1 Pullman (PSP) only managed a build of 15)
KUA flask wagon (2)
Mk1 RFO (11)
Class 28 (20)
Production Deltic (22)
Class 14 (26)
The Newton Chambers car carriers at least have the advantage that they look rather different to other bogie NPCCS. They'll be much more noticeable than a Mk1 GUV for example
Hopefully it'll do well for Sonic & Rails and it'll lead to more in the future.
Steven B
To be pedantic there were 56 Class14s built. The initial order was for just 26.
Norman
Quote from: Steven B on April 28, 2023, 09:19:29 AM
Small numbers don't stop models getting produced:
Bring on the Twins!
Quote from: Bob G on April 28, 2023, 09:51:30 AM
Quote from: Steven B on April 28, 2023, 09:19:29 AM
Small numbers don't stop models getting produced:
Bring on the Twins!
I couldn't agree more
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/131/264-280423100232-1318501644.jpeg)
Its the way the eyes follow you round the room...
Hi Folks,
What an exciting announcement. As a matter of interest, is the only difference between the packs the running numbers?
Kind regards
Paddy
Perhaps the girls could answer that ;D
Quote from: Paddy on April 30, 2023, 10:19:34 PM
Hi Folks,
What an exciting announcement. As a matter of interest, is the only difference between the packs the running numbers?
Kind regards
Paddy
Yes. Running numbers shown as per the link in the OP.......
https://railsofsheffield.com/collections/n-gauge-newton-chambers-car-transporter-packs?_kx=1RgHMA349RmAJbMizFDUkFyJe-UtY-HWSm0EEmXyWfhEPZ_JhpQgMZoANxhBTgyY.RXkVMS&utm_campaign=Sonic
Thanks @Newportnobby (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=264)
Nice to see something different and i am tempted but i think there is a shortage of "normal" stuff, like mk1 coaches, Maroon Thompson's etc
Quote from: Dalek on May 01, 2023, 03:47:55 PM
Nice to see something different and i am tempted but i think there is a shortage of "normal" stuff, like mk1 coaches, Maroon Thompson's etc
Though I don't need any (well, maybe a Thompson or three) I agree, but surely the ball is in Farish's court for them, not Sonic?
Martyn
Article on Motorail history here :-
https://www.pressreader.com/uk/rail-express-9L24/20210106/281565178392059 (https://www.pressreader.com/uk/rail-express-9L24/20210106/281565178392059)
Shows all routes etc.
Quote from: Dalek on May 01, 2023, 03:47:55 PM
Nice to see something different and i am tempted but i think there is a shortage of "normal" stuff, like mk1 coaches, Maroon Thompson's etc
I may be missing something but I don't see the connection between Sonics announcement and Farish's production schedules... Just to clarify are you suggesting that Sonic should not produce these until/unless Farish produce more Mk1s, Thompson's etc in specific liveries?? or are you suggesting Sonic should instead put their investment into duplicating the Farish tooling to produce models in the liveries Farish are yet to deliver?
Quote from: Paddy on April 30, 2023, 10:19:34 PM
Hi Folks,
What an exciting announcement. As a matter of interest, is the only difference between the packs the running numbers?
Kind regards
Paddy
Hi Paddy;
No, the numbers are not the only difference.
There are differences in the roof lights, and ETH fittings, which have been allowed for by Sonic and included in the models.
The next bit is from Sonic;
quote;
The main one is the roof lights.
The first few were built with windows to the RHS of each panel. Thereafter they were located in the centre of the panel.
The other detail is some have ETH connectors on the end, Blue Grey livery.
If you scroll through the liveries posted by Rails you can see the differences.
Six different packs of three are posted on their website.
1. look at the first carrier in each pack with the exception of pack 5.
You will see that the first one in each pack the roof light is to the RHS edge of each panel.
The other two models the roof light is in the centre. Clearly shown on Rails website.
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/132/447-020523102810.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=132013)
2. Pack 5. If you look at the ends you can see an orange shape on the RHS of the end on
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/132/447-020523103159.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=132014)
End quote.
To me personally, they seem amazing detail differences for an N gauge model.
Martyn
Thanks @martyn (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=447) - really appreciate it.
Yeah - I was not aware of all the variations
Quote from: PLD on May 01, 2023, 11:52:46 PM
Quote from: Dalek on May 01, 2023, 03:47:55 PM
Nice to see something different and i am tempted but i think there is a shortage of "normal" stuff, like mk1 coaches, Maroon Thompson's etc
I may be missing something but I don't see the connection between Sonics announcement and Farish's production schedules... Just to clarify are you suggesting that Sonic should not produce these until/unless Farish produce more Mk1s, Thompson's etc in specific liveries?? or are you suggesting Sonic should instead put their investment into duplicating the Farish tooling to produce models in the liveries Farish are yet to deliver?
No it was just a generalisation about the lack of "basics", but after the announcement toady regarding the Farish Mk1's then all is well eh.
Craig
Quote from: NGS-PO on April 27, 2023, 11:30:46 AM
A recent Rails email announces that Soinic are to produce the Newton Chambers car carriers in N Gauge.
Available in packs of three in both maroon and blue/grey.
Personally, I'm over the moon and will take six for the Anglo-Scottish Car Carrier, Perth-King's Cross (Holloway).
Best
Scott.
https://railsofsheffield.com/collections/n-gauge-newton-chambers-car-transporter-packs?_kx=1RgHMA349RmAJbMizFDUkFyJe-UtY-HWSm0EEmXyWfhEPZ_JhpQgMZoANxhBTgyY.RXkVMS&utm_campaign=Sonic Car Carrier&utm_id=01GZ0TPPKY2ARQTC12BN7XV33S&utm_medium=campaign&utm_source=Klaviyo
@NGS-PO (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=6239)
Hi Scott
What are you going to make the rest of the rake up with , any particular mk1's ? Just trying to find out what i would need to run the same/similar.
Kind Regards
Craig
Hello Craig,
My rakes will be as found in the carriage marshalling document for 1964 which has been confirmed with contemporary photographs:
8.10pm Perth to London Holloway (9.20pm London Holloway to Perth)
TCV
TCV
TCV
TCV
TCV
TCV
SLSTP
SLSTP
SLSTP
SLSTP
SLSTP
BSK (The marshalling document says BSO, but we don't have one of them so a BSK will have to do).
Also in the '66 timetable, the overnight train had an RU from Perth
There was also a day train from 1966 (possibly '65?) as well that looked like this:
10.08 Perth to London Caledonian Road (07.51 London Caledonian Road to Perth)
TCV (Added at Newcastle)
TCV
TCV
TCV
TCV
TCV
RU
FO
FK
BSK (See above re BSO)
I hope that is helpful.
Best
Scott.
Thanks Scott, very helpful :thumbsup:
Craig
Quote from: NGS-PO on May 10, 2023, 03:04:12 PM
Hello Craig,
My rakes will be as found in the carriage marshalling document for 1964 which has been confirmed with contemporary photographs:
8.10pm Perth to London Holloway (9.20pm London Holloway to Perth)
TCV
TCV
TCV
TCV
TCV
TCV
SLSTP
SLSTP
SLSTP
SLSTP
SLSTP
BSK (The marshalling document says BSO, but we don't have one of them so a BSK will have to do).
Also in the '66 timetable, the overnight train had an RU from Perth
There was also a day train from 1966 (possibly '65?) as well that looked like this:
10.08 Perth to London Caledonian Road (07.51 London Caledonian Road to Perth)
TCV (Added at Newcastle)
TCV
TCV
TCV
TCV
TCV
RU
FO
FK
BSK (See above re BSO)
I hope that is helpful.
Best
Scott.
Are those SLSTP 1st or 2nd class or would it have been a mixture ?
Craig
Ahh hang on, i think they would have all been 2nd class as far as i can work out, i think
Craig
Sleeper Second Twin-Berth with Pantry
So all second
best
Scott
Ace, thanks
Farish 374-925 and -925A
Best
Scott
Quote from: joe cassidy on April 27, 2023, 08:56:54 PM
Will those who put this at the top of their wish list please step forward.
They've
never been on my wish list but then I saw a picture of them that was taken at Teignmouth and before I knew it I'd ordered all nine for my 1980s West Country layout ::)
Sonic have been informed that an undecorated set of EP models will be shipped in early July and be in the UK for the end of the month. It had been hoped that these would be decorated samples, but the factory have said not.
It is intended that these will be shown at TINGS for all to see.
Martyn
Thanks for all the Sonic updates, Martyn. Much appreciated. Seems you were pretty much spot on with the J50 schedule.
I'm in no hurry for the TCVs, as you know, but it's good to hear about the progress.
Best
Scott.
Sonic have now received the EP2 samples and are hoping to get the decorated samples this month.
I have a photo of EPs, and I'm desperately trying to work out how to get it on the Forum!
Martyn
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/137/447-191123171200.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=137336)
Eventually!
Click on image to magnify it.
Martyn
Quote from: martyn on November 19, 2023, 05:12:26 PMClick on image to magnify it.
Or better - right click on the image and then click on 'Open image in new tab' which gives a bigger view
Never mind car carriers where is the Prairie we saw one running last year at Tings and still no news .
Hi,
Quote from: Bob Tidbury on November 20, 2023, 08:23:26 AMNever mind car carriers where is the Prairie we saw one running last year at Tings and still no news .
martyn did post in that topic yesterday (#14):
QuoteBy coincidence, Sonic received production (I think) samples a few days ago, and after examination, these have been passed to Rails for their assessment, and, hopefully, more of an update.
Things are happening and they are progressing, but not as quickly as Sonic, and we, the customers, had hoped.
Martyn
https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=59443.0 (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=59443.0)
Easy to miss if you weren't looking at the time as these are in widely distanced topics on this forum.
Regards,Gerry.
As per my previous post, Sonic have received the EP2 samples for this.
Here is an update direct from Sonic;
"The previous EP1 sample, after testing, revealed the need to adjust the buffer length to prevent buffer locking on curved track.
(snip) Sonic is now awaiting production livery samples which are currently en route to the UK"
" Sonic will be announcing another N gauge model next week revealing EP samples".
The (snip) is because I have two photos of the EP2s, which I will upload with a further comment from Sonic when I post them. The comment is pointless without the photos, as it points out details on the models.
Martyn
Here are the two photos;
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/137/447-301123205628.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=137537)
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/137/447-301123205659.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=137538)
the further comment from Sonic is;
"The attached images reveal the alternative roof light positions as per the prototype as well as the detailed bogies and underframe".
Martyn
Sonic have received the first decorated samples of the Newton Chambers car carriers.
Quote from Sonic;
"Attached are the images showing both liveries for the first painted samples received the other day. They give a clear indication of what is to come, but they were not perfect and hence close-ups only. Sam has already identified and notified the factory of details that need correcting prior to production commencing"
Here we go, maroon first; there's six photos in all , so I'll split into the two liveries.
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/137/447-121223130633.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=137841)
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/137/447-121223130659.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=137842)
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/137/447-121223130723.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=137843)
Martyn
And now the blue/grey;
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/137/447-121223130831.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=137844)
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/137/447-121223130856.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=137845)
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/137/447-121223130918.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=137846)
Martyn
Quote from: martyn on December 12, 2023, 01:07:46 PMSonic have received the first decorated samples of the Newton Chambers car carriers.
Quote from Sonic;
"Attached are the images showing both liveries for the first painted samples received the other day. They give a clear indication of what is to come, but they were not perfect and hence close-ups only. Sam has already identified and notified the factory of details that need correcting prior to production commencing"
Here we go, maroon first; there's six photos in all , so I'll split into the two liveries.
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/137/447-121223130633.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=137841)
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/137/447-121223130659.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=137842)
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/137/447-121223130723.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=137843)
Martyn
Looking very nice indeed and an interesting and in many ways surprising choice of prototype. I look forward to further images in due course. Not a model on my personal preorder list but I hope it does well for Sonic.
Roy
Five months on from the last post, showing first decorated samples, is there any more information about these vehicles? My pre-order page on the Rails website is silent. Which as they have had £75-worth of *non-refundable* deposits from me for these since mid-2023 isn't... great.
I know that Martyn sometimes posts Sonic updates on the Forum but only in a personal capacity. In this day and age of long product lead times but "write something once, then post in all media with one click" I think that Sonic need to pay a bit more attention to keeping customers informed.
Something simple like the Revolution online "project status" sheet would be good. I might not like how long it's taking their K class Pullmans to appear, but at least I can see what stage they're at and that the project hasn't disappeared!
Richard
I agree the products are really good but the information isnt we are still waiting for news of the Prairie .as said before a simple note like Revolutions Project page would at least give us some hope of receiving our models and any reason for the delay .
Bob
Hello Bob;
The Prairies are en route to the UK, the ship left Singapore earlier this week, and is on schedule for 1st or 2nd at Felixstowe.
I'm aware that things are happening with the car carriers and Vanwides, but I don't know any details; the factory was on holiday last week, which hasn't helped. As soon as I hear from Sonic, I'll let you know. Though work has been continuing on the vanwides and NCC, the main concentration recently was approving and getting the Prairies into production and shipped.
Martyn
I have to admit that the whole principle of pre-ordering and paying a deposit (especially if "non-refundable") is one I am now personally reconsidering for future purchases.
This doesn't just apply in respect of Rails/Sonic, but any dealer/manufacturer/society and whether that be an up front payment in respect of a crowd funded model a "contribution" as was the case for the NGS cranes (that it turns out is explicitly not a deposit and your then discounted purchase in effect becomes a separate transaction if and when it happens) or a traditional deposit as a down payment.
Too often in my view timescales given for delivery seem to have been unreasonably optimistic leading to deposits being paid for items where there was no real prospect of delivery within the timescale stated (indeed some products said to be in production at that point pretty clearly weren't). If I know at the outset it is likely to be three years or more, than that's fine, I can make an informed choice, but that hasn't been the case.
The benefit of paying (we are told) is that it guarantees our model, but as things have played out, not only are there plenty of models to go around in most cases, but on some occasion the prices have subsequent to release even been discounted to less than the pre-order price which is pretty galling (as we are seeing with the J50!).
Just as bad is paying up front for a crowdfunded model in full, only to find the delivery date originally given pushed back and back until it is years late and delivery bears no resemblance to the original date at all (except possibly being the same decade!).
Of course some slippage is to be expected, that is a fact of life, but when the timeframe slips by a year or even more or continues to be pushed back then then it becomes much less so to me.
The scenario for me is different if I haven't paid a deposit/up front payment, having no financial "skin in the game", should I wish I can exit the transaction at any time without penalty. To take a personal example, the new run of Farish J39s was supposed to have arrived a year ago, I was told they weren't happy with the running so pulled production. Here we are, a year later and it is still "awaiting" on their website which, given no expected delivery date, means it is likely a further year away at least. No recent update and no response to my most recent enquiry, so, I may decide to cancel in due course and spend the money allocated on something else, I have the option - I am not "locked in".
I respect there are different views and am not asking anyone to agree with me, but nonetheless it is where I now am on this matter.
Roy
There is no legal ground that on which they can make your deposit non-refundable. That may stand where the items are custom made (eg a commissioned repaint), but you have a 100% legal right to change your mind up to 14 days after receipt of the goods, as you've not had the chance to inspect them prior to purchase.
Personally I never pre-order stuff. I'm not aware of anything selling out on pre-order. I make an exception for Revolution because of the price advantage. I think Sonic are in a tough position. Yes, posting online is easy, but if there's no news there's no news. Ok Revolution have a page you can view, but ultimately these are somewhere in between decorated samples and production. Sure we'll all find out when they land!
Hope they're more successful than the OO gauge Heljan ones, which seem to have been offered heavily discounted.
Quote from: njee20 on May 10, 2024, 01:14:12 PMThere is no legal ground that on which they can make your deposit non-refundable. That may stand where the items are custom made (eg a commissioned repaint), but you have a 100% legal right to change your mind up to 14 days after receipt of the goods, as you've not had the chance to inspect them prior to purchase.
Personally I never pre-order stuff. I'm not aware of anything selling out on pre-order. I make an exception for Revolution because of the price advantage. I think Sonic are in a tough position. Yes, posting online is easy, but if there's no news there's no news. Ok Revolution have a page you can view, but ultimately these are somewhere in between decorated samples and production. Sure we'll all find out when they land!
Hope they're more successful than the OO gauge Heljan ones, which seem to have been offered heavily discounted.
Under distance selling regulations (as I understand it) I can change my mind and return the item for a full refund, but that is only
after it has been delivered, but what I cannot do (or is less clear) is the position as regards recovering a "non-refundable" deposit.
If delivery was by a set and specific date, then non-delivery would be a breach of contract that seems quite clear, but what Rails have said in their T&Cs for such models is that (and this is from the Sonic Newton Chambers car carriers by way of an example)
Expected Delivery Q3 2024 (Subject to change at Manufacturer's Discretion). Now to what extent that would stand legal scrutiny I don't know, but the intent seems clear - it can take as long as it takes.
As I say, my personal view/choice as regards future pre-orders requiring a deposit may differ from the majority.
Regards
Roy
I think you'd have an extremely compelling case to take them to court if they withheld your deposit, like I said, they have no legitimate grounds to do so. Them calling it non-refundable isn't good enough, any more than can write into their T&Cs that they'll retain your card details and charge it sporadically for buying staff lunch.
https://www.which.co.uk/consumer-rights/advice/can-i-claim-back-a-non-refundable-deposit-aHwOj3S21AWP
But we digress!
Please find an update and latest photos here;
https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=64127.0
Martyn
Is it just me or is the grey in the blue/grey too dark? Unfortunately the OO scale EFE version made the same mistake.
https://flic.kr/p/kz7CPz
https://flic.kr/p/NQGdbF
It does look too dark a shade :hmmm:
Quote from: Newportnobby on September 17, 2024, 04:56:09 PMIt does look too dark a shade :hmmm:
In my opinion the photographs don't do the model justice compared to the samples at TINGS over the weekend.
Totally agree Mike. I spoke to Colin Albrighton who happened to man the stall and he agrees
The models did look lovely in both liveries that were available
Quote from: crewearpley40 on September 17, 2024, 06:50:09 PMI spoke to Colin Albrighton who happened to man the stall and he agrees
Possibly Colin Allbright?
Ian
Quote from: icairns on September 17, 2024, 07:13:04 PMQuote from: crewearpley40 on September 17, 2024, 06:50:09 PMI spoke to Colin Albrighton who happened to man the stall and he agrees
Possibly Colin Allbright?
Thanks Ian. Appreciate the correction. He mentioned HMRS though I was admiring the contents in the display cabinet
Ian
Yes, I believe Colin has done design work for Sonic and I know he volunteers for the HMRS.
Ian
Quote from: icairns on September 17, 2024, 07:34:55 PMYes, I believe Colin has done design work for Sonic and I know he volunteers for the HMRS.
Ian
Correct.
Colin mentioned that he can be contacted via the HMRS website if you scroll down and find the stewards page. Thank you for this.
He did say and I have heard the models are due Q4
Let's wait and see.
Quote from: Nbodger on September 17, 2024, 06:45:52 PMQuote from: Newportnobby on September 17, 2024, 04:56:09 PMIt does look too dark a shade :hmmm:
In my opinion the photographs don't do the model justice compared to the samples at TINGS over the weekend.
I 100% agree, the models looked excellent. I hope they do well for Sonic, but much as I appreciate the quality of them, they are not a model that appeals for some reason and even if they did, not something that I could justify a Great Central layout.
Seasons greetings to all.
For anyone interested in having an excuse to run the Newton Chambers Car Carriers away from their usual habitat, here is a link to photo of a Newton Abbot to Sheffield service in the early 70s that may be of interest.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/blue-diesels/54230449782/in/photostream/
There are some photos here that might interest Martin
@port perran .
Cheers,
Tim
Quote from: willike1958 on December 31, 2024, 09:17:23 AMSeasons greetings to all.
For anyone interested in having an excuse to run the Newton Chambers Car Carriers away from their usual habitat, here is a link to photo of a Newton Abbot to Sheffield service in the early 70s that may be of interest.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/blue-diesels/54230449782/in/photostream/
Oh no, something else to add to the wishlist.....
Is there any news of the TCVs' whereabouts at the moment?
Good news: my TCV's have just been delivered by RoS. They are lovely coaches which really look the part. Included are lots of little pipes to fit for those so inclined (perhaps I'll just fit these on the rear vehicle of each rake).
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/148/thumb_231-150125160906-1485471882.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=148549)
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/148/thumb_231-150125160906-14854762.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=148548)
Agreed. Very nicely done and ran very well out of the box. I especially liked the translucent plastic roof panels that look the part.
There's a report from a user on RMWeb which suggests that theirs are a bit draggy:
https://www.rmweb.co.uk/forums/topic/178974-n-gauge-newton-chambers-car-transporter/?do=findComment&comment=5729491
Was searching for information on Queen of Scots Pullman formations and was looking to acquire a copy of the Steve Banks book "LNER Passenger Trains and Formations 1923-67: The Principal Services" which is out of print and I cannot even find 2nd hand..... however there is a copy available to borrow from the Internet Archive at:
https://archive.org/details/lnerpassengertra0000bank/mode/2up
So I signed in and borrowed it to read for a few hours. Anyway as I explored I stumbled on pages 212 and 213 there is useful formation information for both the daytime "Anglo-Scottish Car Carrier" and the overnight "Car Sleeper Limited".
BTW - if anyone sees a copy of the actual book for sale anywhere please to point me to it as I will probably purchase,
Cheers,
Colin.
And of course now I see
@NGS-PO 's post of May 2023:
https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?msg=796660
earlier in this thread which would have answered my question. Call me lazy for not reading all through...
Colin