The people behind Accurascale have invited N-Gauge modellers to express all and any interest in them producing N-Gauge versions of their OO models on RMWeb.
To try and capture the views if those who do not frequent RMWeb, I thought I'd mirror the thread here for people to express their thoughts on such a notion. If there are sufficient responses I can direct Accurascale here to have a look.
Remember, this isn't a wish list, they are only offering to look at prototypes they already make
The following is a list of past, current and future Accurascale models:
Locomotives
Class 30/31
Class 37
Class 50
Class 55
Class 89
Class 92
GWR 7800 Manor
Coaches
BR Mark 1 Non-gangway Suburban - BS, BT, CL, S, SLO, T, TO
BR Mark 2b - BFK, FK, QXA (RTC Test Vehicles), SK, TSO
BR Mark 2c - BFK, BSO, FK, FO, SK, SO, TSO, TSO(T)
Mark 5 - Caledonian Sleeper
Mark 5a - TransPennine Express
GWR Siphon G
Wagons
CDA China Clay
Cemflo/PCV
KAV/Coil A
Cutdown HYA Hopper
FNA-D Nuclear Carrier
HOP24 HUO
HYA-IIA Hopper
IIA Biomass
JSA Coil Carrier
KUA Nuclear Carrier
MDO/MDV 21 Ton Mineral
HAA Hopper
HBA Hopper
HCA Hopper
HDA Hopper
HMA Hopper
MHA Ballast Wagon
NER 20T Hopper
NER 4T Chaldron
PCO17B/C PCA Cement
PFA Container Flat
PTA/JTA+JUA Tippler
SR Banana Van
Best
Scott.
From a personal point of view, the Mark 2s and Mark 1s would be very high on my list, especially the Mark 2s.
An improved 37 I suspect would be popular too, and I think the 89 would go down well. MGR wagons of various types as well.
Can't see much point in duplicating the 31s or 50s which I think are some of the best models from Farish and Dapol. Others may disagree on that!
BR Mk2 coaches in blue/ grey should be popular.
I'd certainly be interested in BR Mk2 coaching stock and class 37s to pull them.
I sometimes wonder if manufacturers know there were such things as steam locos, or come to that anything pre nationalisation, 5 items pre BR out of 36 listed, only 1 steam loco and that a GWR 4-6-0, still no SR 4-6-0 RTR.
For me personally, the most exciting parts of accurascale range are matched by Revolution projects.
I'd certainly look at 37s especially if they were pre-fitted speakers and in the range of liveries they list in 00
Mk2s as well although it's Fs that I want really., their Cs do look nice so perhaps a rule 1 purchase
Mk1s in a 'heritage' or West Coast Railways charter set would be of interest
everyone is always clamouring for more coaches so that would be a sound bet
All in I'd welcome a broader market, but I'm not the one risking the money.
Quote from: Dorsetmike on February 20, 2023, 04:13:27 PM
I sometimes wonder if manufacturers know there were such things as steam locos, or come to that anything pre nationalisation, 5 items pre BR out of 36 listed, only 1 steam loco and that a GWR 4-6-0, still no SR 4-6-0 RTR.
I sometimes wonder if manufacturers know there were such things as diesels and electrics. If you look at Union Mills back catalogue there's no diesels or electrics in there at all. In fact there's nothing post about 1960.
Back on topic the 37 and mk2s are the obvious candidates given the duplications elsewhere.
Quote from: njee20 on February 20, 2023, 05:19:30 PM
Quote from: Dorsetmike on February 20, 2023, 04:13:27 PM
I sometimes wonder if manufacturers know there were such things as steam locos, or come to that anything pre nationalisation, 5 items pre BR out of 36 listed, only 1 steam loco and that a GWR 4-6-0, still no SR 4-6-0 RTR.
I sometimes wonder if manufacturers know there were such things as diesels and electrics. If you look at Union Mills back catalogue there's no diesels or electrics in there at all. In fact there's nothing post about 1960.
Back on topic the 37 and mk2s are the obvious candidates given the duplications elsewhere.
ooh, I didn't see the Manor at the bottom of the loco list. I'd want at least one of those too as the only one I've got is the naff Dapol/Ixion one :)
Most of these are to modern for my taste, but the SR Banana van would be good. I wonder how seriously they are looking given that a lot of these have been done in N already? There are also lots of complaints on this forum about things being too detailed these days, and given that Accurascales USP is making better models than already out there, would that work in N?
Just my thoughts
Dave
The BR Mk. 2b carriages would be useful.
Quote from: Southerngooner on February 20, 2023, 06:35:25 PM
There are also lots of complaints on this forum about things being too detailed these days, and given that Accurascales USP is making better models than already out there, would that work in N?
Dave
Making accurate, well detailed models seems to work pretty well for Revolution!
Regards,
John P
Quote from: Southerngooner on February 20, 2023, 06:35:25 PM
Most of these are to modern for my taste, but the SR Banana van would be good. I wonder how seriously they are looking given that a lot of these have been done in N already?
I think they might have noticed that while a lot of the models on their list have been done in N, they're not exactly 'out there' to buy as many of us are finding (especially with coaching stock). So if demand is outstripping the supply from other manufacturers that's possibly an opportunity for them.
No point duplicating classes 31, 37 or 55. Mk2 coaches in sufficient quantities (and crucially a proper ratio of brakes/restaurants to the far more popular and common open variants) are a no brainer and wagons of whatever flavour usually sell well.
The Class 50 is a definite must as a priority, that misshapen lump that Dapol put out purporting to be a 50 is a utter dogs dinner, particularly around the cab front windows etc, in fact the whole thing is off.
Hello all,
To save others looking it up these are the models either already produced, in production, or in development by Revolution from the list offered by Scott. Naturally forum members are welcome to suggest what they like, but the reality is for a first model it would make no sense for Accurascale to duplicate something already produced or in the pipeline to modern standards.
Class 92
Mark 5 - Caledonian Sleeper
Mark 5a - TransPennine Express
Cemflo/PCV
FNA-D Nuclear Carrier
JSA Coil Carrier
KUA Nuclear Carrier
PFA Container Flat
PTA/JTA+JUA Tippler
In addition, the PCO17B/C PCA Cement wagon has been produced by Accurascale for Realtrack in N.
cheers
Ben A.
My preference would be for the Class 37, Class 89 and Mk2B/C coaches.
Modern standard HAA wagons might be worth a shot.
He says just starting to build up his rake.
And then getting the calculator out for a reasonable rake at modern prices....
Hmmm maybe not :uneasy:
Skyline2uk
For me the Class 37 is the one that stands out from the list provided.
That's not to say the Farish model is bad, but it has been around for a fair while and as we have had recent releases with 6 pin DCC sockets it doesn't appear to be on the cards for a Next 18/sound upgrade anytime soon.
Roy
Maybe start with some rolling stock...
Syphon G
HUO
MDO/MDV
Mk 2b and c
Would be great to see them enter the n gauge market.
Tim
For me the 7800 Manor loco. I've seen the Class 55 in 00 and it is fantastic, so if the same level of detail and running quality can be made in N then I'd be very happy! With Union Mills now finished, we need a similar qualiy from another manufacturer IMO.
Cheers
The Siphon G and the SR banana vans.
I agree with @bluedepot (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=114), it would be great to see them entering the n-gauge market.
Stuart
Open a wish list and it's all locos, locos, locos. The various ex-NER hoppers would be a no-brainer for me - preferably in a US-style "running pack" of five or ten with different numbers (and hopefully a slight discount on buying ten wagons individually). It would be nice to have something authentic for all those Union Mills J25s, J26s, J27s and J39s to haul. See also Sonic J50s, Farish J39s & B1s.
SR banana vans and the siphon might also be of interest. The rest of their range is too modern for me, but I can imagine the Mk.2 carriages being good sellers to others.
Richard
As a transition modeller, I already have BR green versions of class 31, 37 and 55 which are all relatively recent models. much of the rest is after 1965 where my interest ends. However, A couple of inside frame Siphon G's and a newer Manor would be nice to have
Regards,
Alex
Quote from: bluedepot on February 20, 2023, 09:22:58 PM
Maybe start with some rolling stock...
Syphon G
HUO
MDO/MDV
Mk 2b and c
Would be great to see them enter the n gauge market.
Tim
More or less ditto from me.
Transition wagons, wagons and more wagons - preferably in six packs, plus the odd Mk2.
Forget any of the locos - they're a distraction, as all are well covered by others. Except perhaps for a limited run of 1 of the 50 class for he who shall remain nameless :P
A rake of blue & grey Mark 2Cs would be very welcome indeed.
Yeah, like Hailstone, 1965/66 is where my interest ends - well, actually it doesn't, right up to the present day I love anything that runs on rails, anytime, anywhere - but my layout is BR transition, and I'm faithful to that. ;)
Really depends... if their entry is going to be.. okay we will do one batch and then thats it.. then only the 89 appeals.. I have all the other locos... if there is going to be a continuing supply (even if gaps between batches), so you are not forced into buying a whole rake at once and then no chance of any follow ups, the coaching and wagon stock is interesting.
The problem these days is that unless you tend to buy the whole rake on initial release, probably pre-order, then your odds of getting any extras, or replacements are zip.
But anyway.. I wander, 89001 "Avocet" for me please, since I don't have that in GNER Blue please :)
P.S. is 89001 still being worked on for a return to mainline running? Haven't heard anything for a while :)
Graham
Class 37 with sound & skinhead class 30 also unless that's planed by GF ?
Craig
CoachesMK2B/CI raised a thread (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=54735.msg725411#msg725411) when they first announced the MK2B in hope that they could potentially be shrunk (I will need to add an update now that the 2C are announced.)
Mk2C yes Please.
The Executive BFK (https://www.flickr.com/photos/johndedman/23516849578/) looks fantastic,
BSO, TSOT, CK (Ex FK) in Blue for an Inverness-Edinburgh/Glasgow train (https://www.flickr.com/photos/144388905@N03/50518774193/in/pool-3072977@N22/) would be purchased quickly by myself if offered
&
with a bit more research on formations (so i could decide what I would want to buy) BSO, TSO, TSOT and BFK were in the pool for coaches used in the Cross Country Sleepers (https://www.flickr.com/photos/47500cdb/10654923024/).
The Mk2B is less interest to me due to wanting to model specific Scottish Trains but a TSO or two to intermingle wouldn't be missed.
Mk1 The Mk1 Suburban's are interesting, I am not sure on the Farish model, I keep coming back to it and deciding there is something wrong with it so there is part of me that would fully support the duplication as its replacing a long in the tooth model.
I am never going to purchase in a large enough number but set of 4 with NEM couplings and Lights would easily win my cash.
WagonsUpdated highly detailed MGR (HAA, HBA & HDA) wagons would win my approval.
Some budgeting and soul searching required if this was on the table. I have avoided the Farish and Peco models based on quality and availability. If the price in N matches the Price in OO, its only painful due to how long the trains are, they would be a reasonable price range and good quality.
Of course I am assuming the Farish model in the catalogue is the old one and that Peco aren't planning to update their offering as they have started doing with the short wheel base wagons. Crisper underframe and a NEM coupling is probably enough to satisfy any of my wants.
A bit like the MK1 Suburban's I am wary of the duplication unless it brings something more.
LocosClass 89Still support the class 89, just as I did when Revolution where fishing for expressions of Interest (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=49737.0). Be it Accurascale, Revolution or Rails Exclusive I will buy one in executive, just unfortunate there weren't more in real life otherwise I would be after more.
Class 37With the exception I quoted below I must admit to being a bit confused on the support for this one.
I have just proudly bough and displayed a new 37, without knowing any better to spot any problems with it (I don't know the quality differences in 00 gauge, and being more interested in coaches couldn't tell you the differences in batches of locos) and feel like everyone has just come along and kicked my dog :smiley-laughing:.
Quote from: Jeebee on February 20, 2023, 04:47:56 PM
I'd certainly look at 37s especially if they were pre-fitted speakers and in the range of liveries they list in 00
This is a valid reason but it must be on Bachmann's Radar? I Accurascale announced could Farish beat them to to it, It hate to think of accurascale pulling it off and producing a top quality model for it to sit about due to duplication.
A class 89 and mk2b/c coaches for me to start with, then Yeoman and ARC PTA, Then i will be bankrupt!
cheers
Mark
My interest is the mid/late 1950's, so would consider the Manor, Siphon G's, and MK1 suburbans depending on cost and their suitability to run on code 40 b/h track-work.
:thankyousign:
Mk2 b/c coaches would be my choice and likely to be popular.
Not sure about the wagons. Initially I would have said the HAA but I can think of at least 15 other wagon types that have not been produced by anyone that I would much prefer to see released first, instead of a newer tooled HAA to rival what is a perfectly reasonable Farish model.
Tim
Of those on their list I want them to shrink the following models:
Coaches:
BR Mark 1 Non-gangway Suburban - CL, SLO
BR Mark 2b - BFK, FK, QXA (RTC Test Vehicles), SK, TSO
BR Mark 2c - BFK, BSO, FK, FO, SK, SO, TSO, TSO(T)
GWR Siphon G
Wagons:
NER 20T Hopper
SR Banana Van
Locomotives
Class 37
Coaches
BR Mark 2b - BFK, FK, QXA (RTC Test Vehicles), SK, TSO
BR Mark 2c - BFK, BSO, FK, FO, SK, SO, TSO, TSO(T)
BSO, TSOT, CK (Ex FK) in Blue
Wagons
MHA Ballast Wagon
Wagons
NER 20T Hopper
That's all.
Ian
Given that most of the problems with the Farish class 37 (ride height & lack of Next18 decoder with associated improved lighting and factory fitted speaker) could easily be fixed by Farish with a chassis upgrade as per the 31 and 60 I wonder if it's the best starting point.
That said, a new model of some other variations would be welcome - Dapol and Farish still turn out new class 66 in competition with each other.
Quote from: scruff on February 21, 2023, 07:39:16 PM
A class 89 and mk2b/c coaches for me to start with, then Yeoman and ARC PTA, Then i will be bankrupt!
No need for Accurascale to make the PTA, Revolution Trains are already making them in British Steel, Yeoman and ARC liveries
https://revolutiontrains.com/70s-boxes-from-revolution/
They're also doing the JSA covered steel wagon conversions.
Steven B
Banana vans - I'd jump at a rake of them
I dropped a line to Accurascale to alert them to the fact this thread was running here, and they've advised that a number of their team are forum members, and apparently they are N modellers, so you're comments are being taken on board.
On that note, I don't think I've expressed my view here, so of the OO models I'd personally be interested in:
Skinhead 30/31 (a single example)
HUO hoppers (a train length)
MDO (a train length)
Coil A (six-nine)
SR Banana Van (a handful)
On top of that Mk2 coaches would be an excellent model to help grow the scale - very much required by the BR Blue (and onwards) brigade.
Best
Scott.
@NGS-PO (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=6239)
Nooooo-not a skinhead and a toffee apple-I've just converted two of mine :D. At least they'd be different to the Farish bodies.
Nope, for me personally, nothing, though I'm glad some one is potentially producing more models.
Martyn
Later-perhaps a Banana or two...
Mk2s please.
And lots of them!
I'd love to see them shrink the Mk2b and 2c coaches.
If it was a choice of one or the other the Mk2c would be my first preference.
Mk2b: I would probably make a "rule 1" purchase of a 9 coach West of England rake in NSE.
Mk2c: Several blue/grey TSOs, a couple of 64xx open seconds (ex-FO), a blue/grey ScotRail branded CK (ex FK), BSO, TSO(T) and I'd go for an IC executive BFK too.
Class 89: I'd buy at least one (IC Executive)
Whilst not a "shrink ray" project, it would be great to see an original 1964-build Mk2 FK in N, as these had so many detail differences to a Mk2a: different window proportions with 4-part sliding ventilators; Mk1 "Pullman" gangway bellows; plain rather than folding gangway doors. An air disc-braked variant was used on the class 27 Edinburgh-Glasgow push pull service in the 1970s, and one survived as a departmental until around 2015, as ADB975290 Test Car 6. Bachmann have modelled this type of coach in OO but got the window/ventilator proportions wrong, and Farish (N) and Heljan (O) have passed off a Mk2a as a Mk2 despite the differences. So there isn't an accurate scale model (hint) of this type in any scale...yet!
Hope that helps
Tom.
Definitely Mark 2b and 2c in blue/grey for me.
Out of interest, how many of those of us who are asking for non-air-con Mk2s would still be asking for them if Farish re-ran their Mk2a more often?
I wonder what proportion of us care/worry about the differences between Mk2a, Mk2b and Mk2c?
Steven B
Quote from: Steven B on February 23, 2023, 09:15:09 AM
I wonder what proportion of us care/worry about the differences between Mk2a, Mk2b and Mk2c?
I don't know. What are the differences between a Mk2a, a Mk2b & a Mk2c?
I guess it depends on where and when you model. I would love a rake of Mk 2Cs to run with a pair of 50s or a Can to cover the WCML from 1971 to 1985 and some extras for a mixed cross country rake. I have enough 2As but they are busy on S&C and G&SWR work. :D
Quote from: Yet_Another on February 23, 2023, 12:45:26 PM
Quote from: Steven B on February 23, 2023, 09:15:09 AM
I wonder what proportion of us care/worry about the differences between Mk2a, Mk2b and Mk2c?
I don't know. What are the differences between a Mk2a, a Mk2b & a Mk2c?
MK 2c coaches have doors the rap around the ends like the air con coaches
MK 2A coach my pic
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48050821223_1459436748_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2gd625T)99680 (https://flic.kr/p/2gd625T) by john brace (https://www.flickr.com/photos/queenfanjohn/), on Flickr
MK 2C not my pic by MKDARLO
(https://live.staticflickr.com/7363/8883351026_6e56f1212f_3k.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/ewZuLA)Garelochhead (https://flic.kr/p/ewZuLA) by MKDarlo (Richard) (https://www.flickr.com/photos/darlo2009/), on Flickr
John
tbh I would probably only buy a few each mk2b or c as I can't keep spending money and already have a lot of coaches. I already have a load on mk1 or mk2a.
huo hoppers and mdo / mdv I would like most
and syphon g with the vertical planks!
tim
Quote from: Yet_Another on February 23, 2023, 12:45:26 PM
I don't know. What are the differences between a Mk2a, a Mk2b & a Mk2c?
There have been 8 sub-types of the Mk2:
Mk2 - 1958 (aka Mk2z or Mk2s)
Featured pressure ventilation (i.e. roof vents and opening windows), wood panelling and vacuum brakes (no air-brakes as built). I believe the corridor connection resembled that on a Mk1
Mk2a - 1967 (Farish model)
Dual air/vacuum brakes and different gangways to Mk2z.
Mk2b - 1968 (Accurascale in OO)
Centre door of Mk2a omitted, wrap-aroud doors at the end. Slightly longer than the Mk2a. Toilets relocated to one end of the coach (rather than in opposite corners). The vast majority were initially allocated to the Western region.
Mk2c - 1969 (Accurascale in OO)
Built with the intention of being retro-fitted with air-conditioning. Internally the ceiling was lower as a result. Later built toilet windows don't have a vent, being a single pane of glass as per air-con Mk2's. Roof vents different to earlier types. Initially allocated to the Midland region running with class 50s and the early AC electrics.
Mk2D (Poole era Farish)
Built with air-con. External gang-way doors are orange. Last type of BR coach to include FK.
Mk2E
Toilet reduced in size to increase number of passenger sears. On TSO this meant they were relocated to diagonally opposite corners. External gang-way doors are cream.
Mk2F (current Farish)
Redesigned air-conditioning meaning fewer boxes on the underframe compared to Mk2d and Mk2e. Most fitted with Mk3 style seats. Smaller toilets as per Mk2e. External gang-way doors are cream. Change in bogie dampers compared to Mk2d and Mk2e.
There will be some variation within the air-con Mk2's depending on the manufacturer of the air-con equipment.
Mk2 Pullman
Built for the WCML, squarer windows than the other air-con Mk2's, and without wrap-around doors at each end. Initially their power requirements meant that they could only run with AC electric locos.
Coach allocations were subject to regional variations - initially Mk2F were generally found on cross-country and WCML workings for example. Similarly when first introduced the Mk2a was very much a ECML vehicle, not spreading to the BR(S) until a few years later. Mk2b were initially used on London to south Wales and Bristol services. Whilst you'd find Mk2a-c in NSE colours, there were no NSE Mk2d-f.
With the coming of the Mk3 and HST all the Mk2a, b & c spread themselves around the country.
There's a great set of photos of the different Mk2 types here:
https://ukrailwaypics.smugmug.com/Coaches/Mk2-Coaching-Stock
Steven B.
Quote from: Steven B on February 23, 2023, 03:26:45 PM
Quote from: Yet_Another on February 23, 2023, 12:45:26 PM
I don't know. What are the differences between a Mk2a, a Mk2b & a Mk2c?
There have been 8 sub-types of the Mk2:
Mk2 - 1958 (aka Mk2z or Mk2s)
Featured pressure ventilation (i.e. roof vents and opening windows), wood panelling and vacuum brakes (no air-brakes as built). I believe the corridor connection resembled that on a Mk1
Almost!
The prototype Mk2 (FK 13252) was built at Swindon in 1963. It had lots of "Mk1" features - wooden interior, pullman gangways, narrow windows with 4 part ventilators, vacuum brakes, steam heating. What made it different to a Mk1 was its integral construction (a self-supporting load bearing tube) rather than a separate underframe with a body constructed on top. This coach is preserved.
The first production batch of Mk2 were corridor firsts (FK) built in 1964-65, and only these coaches of the "early Mk2" or "Mk2z" had the Mk1 Pullman gangways and 4 part window ventilators - wider windows than the prototype Mk2 but not quite as big as the standard Mk2a windows with the 3 part window ventilators, and they had slightly less rounded corners. They were delivered in Maroon livery or BR (S) Green depending on which region they were allocated to. They also had a mainly wooden interior. Some were steam heat only/vacuum brakes and others were dual heated and air braked, including some converted to disc air brakes for the Edinburgh-Glasgow Class 27 push pull trains. None of these survive as they were the last batch of hauled stock built with asbestos, so were all withdrawn by the late 1980s.
The next batch of Mk2 (or Mk2z if you like) were built in 1966. This included TSO (64 seats), SO (48 seats), BSO, and BFK types, but no more FK. They have the same body shells, windows and gangways as the Mk2a which followed, but had vacuum brakes, dual heat and plain sliding gangway doors (unlike the air brakes and coloured folding doors of Mk2a to Mk2f). These coaches were all delivered in blue/grey livery. In N gauge the Farish Mk2a passes off reasonably well as a Mk2 if you ignore the layout of the brake equipment on the underside, and the incorrect Mk2a folding gangway doors. The Farish "ScotRail" TSO/BG twin pack and "Highlander" Coach pack and Train Set depict use the Mk2a to depict early Mk2 coaches.
Things get a bit simpler from Mk2a onwards as the coaches were all air braked and dual heat (electric heat only with air-con from Mk2d onwards). Some Mk2a (especially BFK) were converted to vacuum brakes later in their lives.
This might seem a bit esoteric and irrelevant for modellers, but characteristics like steam heating and vacuum brakes mean the early Mk2 coaches (including the blue/grey ones) were sometimes steam-hauled in the 1964-68 period and, right throughout their lives, tended to mix in rakes with vacuum braked Mk1 stock, whereas Mk2a onwards were only ever hauled by air braked locomotives and thus wouldn't be steam hauled, and would only mix with Mk1 stock (catering cars etc) which was built or converted to air brakes.
Hope that helps.
Tom.
Quote from: Steven B on February 23, 2023, 09:15:09 AM
Out of interest, how many of those of us who are asking for non-air-con Mk2s would still be asking for them if Farish re-ran their Mk2a more often?
I wonder what proportion of us care/worry about the differences between Mk2a, Mk2b and Mk2c?
Steven B
Hey Steven
I think it would be great if Farish re-ran their Mk2a more often - especially if they made more TSOs, and especially in blue/grey! But, to me, the differences between Mk2, Mk2a, Mk2b and 2c are quite significant and I'd be a big supporter of Accurascale producing the Mk2b and Mk2c in N; but I appreciate others may never have thought about the differences and don't care at all. I'd also support Accurascale producing Mk2d aircons too (if they every did a OO version first) as these have many differences from a Mk2f.
I guess we all have different passions and interests within the hobby. I have always had much more interest than passenger stock than freight, for example, and would have no idea about the difference between a 9 foot vs a 10 foot wheelbase wagon for example; also I'm lost when it comes to the myriad detail differences within the same class of steam locomotives (top feeds on Black 5s; and types of tender and, RHD vs LHD on Gresley A1, A3 and A4 pacifics being good examples!).
Cheers, Tom.
For me I would purchase at minimum several each of:
NER 20T Hopper
NER 4T Chaldron
Colin.
Quote from: icairns on February 22, 2023, 02:42:09 AM
Wagons
NER 20T Hopper
That's all.
Ian
Ian - me too! do you think we can get enough volume between you me and @PGN (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=4604) .....? I wonder what the MOQ is.
Wondering how many others there are of a similar persuasion as to what constitutes a real railway ;-)
And I would definitely take NER chaldrons as well...
Cheers,
Colin.
class 66 it is then!
probably a good move but not my era
N gauge is crying out for a decent 66. Interesting that Accurascale have simply taken over the Hatton's tooling.
I'm surprised Farish tweaked the 60 rather than the 66 given the latter's ubiquity. Luckily there's another brand with a 59 in the works, and there's a logical place to reuse some of that tooling :hmmm:
Given the plethora of current modern n gauge diesel models from various manufacturers & even though the age range of these models is varied, with some better than others, I don't believe the overriding need is another powered model.
What is in short supply is rolling stock and in particular coaches up to railway privatisation.
To encourage Accurascale in N they initially need a high demand quick seller and I would suggest that this is the BR Mark 2's - longevity, varied liveries, wide geographic spread in service.
Yes a personal choice, but given the long term posts here and elsewhere on the web there is a clear high demand. Just look how quickly it took Farish to clear Mk2f stocks, when Farish eventually produce more BR coaches they will fly like the proverbial hot cakes.
Quote from: 43095 on February 23, 2023, 10:39:55 PM
... and would have no idea about the difference between a 9 foot vs a 10 foot wheelbase wagon for example...
I can help you out there Tom. It's one foot.
:D :D :D
Richard
Quote from: cmason on February 24, 2023, 01:02:45 AM
Quote from: icairns on February 22, 2023, 02:42:09 AM
Wagons
NER 20T Hopper
That's all.
Ian
Ian - me too! do you think we can get enough volume between you me and @PGN (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=4604) .....? I wonder what the MOQ is.
Wondering how many others there are of a similar persuasion as to what constitutes a real railway ;-)
And I would definitely take NER chaldrons as well...
Cheers,
Colin.
Hi, Colin:
Well, according to Mike of Revolution Trains in the Class B tanker thread, the minimum order quantity can vary between 2,500 and 4,000 depending upon the project and the factory.
So, it might be a bit of a stretch for just the three of us to get to the minimum quantity for the NER 20T hopper unless more people join in!
However, The 2mm Scale Association sell a resin kit for a NER 20T hopper and here is the one I built. Being to 2mm scale rather than N scale, I found it difficult to satisfactorily fit a proprietary chassis. I have purchased a second kit with a view to making a better job of the chassis.
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/130/3276-240223174549.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=130221)
Also, BHE sell a white-metal kit (TM-7) for a NER hopper wagon (ex-Thameshead and ex-Highfield Models) but it is very heavy.
Ian
P.S. The minimum order for livery variations/special orders of a model that is approved for production is probably around 250.
P.P.S. Based on the input above in this thread, the NER 20T hopper is going to finish a long way behind BR Mk. 2 coaching stock as far as general desirability is concerned (unfortunately).
Quote from: icairns on February 24, 2023, 05:53:13 PM
Quote from: cmason on February 24, 2023, 01:02:45 AM
Quote from: icairns on February 22, 2023, 02:42:09 AM
Wagons
NER 20T Hopper
That's all.
Ian
Ian - me too! do you think we can get enough volume between you me and @PGN (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=4604) .....? I wonder what the MOQ is.
Wondering how many others there are of a similar persuasion as to what constitutes a real railway ;-)
And I would definitely take NER chaldrons as well...
Cheers,
Colin.
Hi, Colin:
Well, according to Mike of Revolution Trains in the Class B tanker thread, the minimum order quantity can vary between 2,500 and 4,000 depending upon the project and the factory.
So, it might be a bit of a stretch for just the three of us to get to the minimum quantity for the NER 20T hopper unless more people join in!
However, The 2mm Scale Association sell a resin kit for a NER 20T hopper and here is the one I built. Being to 2mm scale rather than N scale, I found it difficult to satisfactorily fit a proprietary chassis. I have purchased a second kit with a view to making a better job of the chassis.
Also, BHE sell a white-metal kit (TM-7) for a NER hopper wagon (ex-Thameshead and ex-Highfield Models) but it is very heavy.
Ian
P.S. The minimum order for livery variations/special orders of a model that is approved for production is probably around 250.
P.P.S. Based on the input above in this thread, the NER 20T hopper is going to finish a long way behind BR Mk. 2 coaching stock as far as general desirability is concerned (unfortunately).
Hi Ian - I didn't know about the Highfield/Thameshead/BHE kit - will have to get me one of those.
The 2mm one - I got one as an experiment but kind of botched the chassis beyond useable and am ordering a replacement. I rather like your NCB livery - inspires me to produce some like that.
BTW - these are my hopper efforts to date:
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/130/7694-250223020424.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=130226)
A pair of NER P4's ( from a Simon Dawson 3D print on Shapeways ) and and LNER Diag 12 ( Maurice Osborne's laser cut kit ). The P4s are almost correct NER livery except I could not find a transfer for 10 1/2 ton so ended up with 10. The Diag 12s are, of course, dressed as correctly as LNER - I did consider dressing them earlier but the lack of wooden stanchions is very obvious. The laser cut kits are OK - however the sides warped in - not a noticeable issue unless viewed from above and if I build any more I will brace them straight with an internal cross piece before putting the load in which will cover the "scaffold" ( anyway being wooden they need a load of liquid gravity and coal to give them a reasonable weight to stay on the track). The other thing you will note that the left hand of the Diag 12s has incorrect (BR style - refer the design change between LNER and BR 21 ton hoppers ) brake levers - I used the supplied paper ones on the first build but switched to some 3D ones I had handy for the 2nd - far less painful.
Cheers,
Colin.
PS And yes - MOQs and the BR coaching stock (cannot understand it meself ;-) ) requests will doubtless be an issue. OTOH I was on their site yesterday looking at the OO range. They do seem to have produced a significant number of livery variations of the chaldrons and the 20T hoppers so if the volume is based on the number of basic bodies and not per livery.... I know its not likely but one can always fantasize these things.....
PPPS As you can see I am still on the hunt (no pun intended) for a closer coupling solution....
Hi, Colin:
Nice work on the NER hoppers!
I also tried the NER hopper wagon from Simon Dawson/Recreation21 on Shapeways but struggled with the chassis which is part of the print but it is too narrow to fit N gauge wheels.
More info about the BHE white-metal hopper kit can be found here:
https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=45956.msg746090#msg746090 (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=45956.msg746090#msg746090)
Ian
Quote from: icairns on February 25, 2023, 03:29:01 AM
I also tried the NER hopper wagon from Simon Dawson/Recreation21 on Shapeways but struggled with the chassis which is part of the print but it is too narrow to fit N gauge wheels.
Hi Ian,
So I used the 2mm association wheels "Wagon Wheels: 3 Hole Disc: 6mm dia: 12.25mm axle: N Gauge Profile " P/N 2-027. The shorter axle plus some careful opening out of the bearings to fit brass top hat bearings gave just the right fit. Filled the cavities at the ends with liguid gravity. For NEM sockets I used Ian Morgan ( Siop y Wageni )'s 3D printed ones from Shapeways.
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/130/7694-250223071953.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=130227)
BTW for the laser cut LNER Diag 12 hopper I also inserted brass top hat bearings which, although not in Maurice's, instructions greatly improved the running. Doing that with any of his kits now (or where applicable changing the diamond frame bogies to NGS/GF ones - his wooden ones are very nice but a wee bit femur for regular operational use... ).
Cheers,
Colin.
Quote from: cmason on February 25, 2023, 07:22:32 AM
Hi Ian,
So I used the 2mm association wheels "Wagon Wheels: 3 Hole Disc: 6mm dia: 12.25mm axle: N Gauge Profile " P/N 2-027. The shorter axle plus some careful opening out of the bearings to fit brass top hat bearings gave just the right fit. Filled the cavities at the ends with liguid gravity. For NEM sockets I used Ian Morgan ( Siop y Wageni )'s 3D printed ones from Shapeways.
I, too, tried to use the 2mm Scale Association N gauge profile wheels with the associated W-irons (part no. 2-313). Unfortunately, I damaged the 3D print during construction and never went back to it.
Assuming Accurascale do not hear our pleas for a RTR NER 20T hopper wagon, I may try again next time I order from Shapeways.
Ian
Quote from: icairns on February 25, 2023, 02:31:00 PM
Quote from: cmason on February 25, 2023, 07:22:32 AM
Hi Ian,
So I used the 2mm association wheels "Wagon Wheels: 3 Hole Disc: 6mm dia: 12.25mm axle: N Gauge Profile " P/N 2-027. The shorter axle plus some careful opening out of the bearings to fit brass top hat bearings gave just the right fit. Filled the cavities at the ends with liguid gravity. For NEM sockets I used Ian Morgan ( Siop y Wageni )'s 3D printed ones from Shapeways.
I, too, tried to use the 2mm Scale Association N gauge profile wheels with the associated W-irons (part no. 2-313). Unfortunately, I damaged the 3D print during construction and never went back to it.
Assuming Accurascale do not hear our pleas for a RTR NER 20T hopper wagon, I may try again next time I order from Shapeways.
Ian
Hi Ian,
Ah - I just went directly into the Shapeways material with top hats, no W-irons - I can imagine those would eat up a lot of the tolerance. Anyway probably should continue any hopper discussions elsewhere off of this thread - probably not of great interest to those looking to Accurascale for production of BR Mk2 coaching stock :-)
Next hopper items I have will go over to your earlier mentioned thread,
Cheers,
Colin.
Quote from: cmason on February 25, 2023, 02:46:53 PM
Quote from: icairns on February 25, 2023, 02:31:00 PM
Quote from: cmason on February 25, 2023, 07:22:32 AM
Hi Ian,
So I used the 2mm association wheels "Wagon Wheels: 3 Hole Disc: 6mm dia: 12.25mm axle: N Gauge Profile " P/N 2-027. The shorter axle plus some careful opening out of the bearings to fit brass top hat bearings gave just the right fit. Filled the cavities at the ends with liguid gravity. For NEM sockets I used Ian Morgan ( Siop y Wageni )'s 3D printed ones from Shapeways.
I, too, tried to use the 2mm Scale Association N gauge profile wheels with the associated W-irons (part no. 2-313). Unfortunately, I damaged the 3D print during construction and never went back to it.
Assuming Accurascale do not hear our pleas for a RTR NER 20T hopper wagon, I may try again next time I order from Shapeways.
Ian
Hi Ian,
Ah yes - I just went directly into the Shapeways material with top hats, no W-irons - I can imagine those would eat up a lot of the tolerance. Anyway probably should continue any hopper discussions elsewhere off of this thread - probably not of great interest to those looking to Accurascale for production of BR Mk2 coaching stock :-)
Next hopper items I have will go over to your earlier mentioned thread,
Cheers,
Colin.
Quote from: cmason on February 25, 2023, 07:22:32 AM
Anyway probably should continue any hopper discussions elsewhere off of this thread - probably not of great interest to those looking to Accurascale for production of BR Mk2 coaching stock :-)
Next hopper items I have will go over to your earlier mentioned thread,
Cheers,
Colin.
Agreed!
Ahead of a chat with Accurascale about their thoughts and plans for N Gauge, there is a poll running over on NGN to get a clear picture of which models in the Accurascale range people would like to see: https://bit.ly/3IJOS5I
Head over and cast your votes, then watch out for the chat sometime in the next couple of weeks.
Tom.
Have to vote for Mk2b in blue and grey. A rake of those would be lovely.
Hi all,
So just my tuppence worth, of course there are some really good possibilities and I doubt the Accurascale are going to be looking at everything especially items that have already been recently tooled, but there are some major possibilities with stuff such as the Mk2s.
But one for some to maybe note with the 37s while Farish have done plenty of the older versions that have not as yet done numerous of the variations such as the heavy sub classes, modern WIPAC lights, or the re-enginned version so it would be good to see them appear at some stage.
Cheers
Gareth
Well the NGN poll is showing some clear leaders out of the existing Accurascale OO range people would like to see pass through the shrink ray. Thanks to all those who have voted so far, and for those that haven't you can do so here: https://bit.ly/3IJOS5I (https://bit.ly/3IJOS5I)
The Class 37, Mk.2 coaches and HAA + variants are leading each of the rolling stock categories, although the Manor and HUO are also doing well.
Interestingly, the item with the highest number of votes so far is from the supplementary question I added about the important considerations when buying N Gauge models, with running qualities currently leading that section. That no doubt speaks to some of the issues DrAl raised around motors & reliability.
I'll be recording an interview with Accurascale about their thoughts around N Gauge at Alexandra Palace on the Sunday which will go up on NGN shortly after.
Tom.
If rolling stock, be it a loco, multiple unit, coach or wagon, won't run well then it's doesn't make any difference how detailed it is.......
I'd certainly put running qualities at the top, assuming the model is as close as possible to the real thing.
Martyn
A late but immediate addition to the list - a J69 tank engine!
Quote from: snitchthebudgie on March 18, 2023, 10:53:02 AM
A late but immediate addition to the list - a J69 tank engine!
??? but Accurascale don't do aJ69 in any scale, so they don't have a larger scale version to shrink... :hmmm:
(
This isn't yet another general 'wish list' thread...)
Quote from: PLD on March 18, 2023, 11:35:11 PM
Quote from: snitchthebudgie on March 18, 2023, 10:53:02 AM
A late but immediate addition to the list - a J69 tank engine!
??? but Accurascale don't do aJ69 in any scale, so they don't have a larger scale version to shrink... :hmmm:
(This isn't yet another general 'wish list' thread...)
Well not really it was announced this weekend in OO, so why not do an N gauge version side by side?
Quote from: acko22 on March 18, 2023, 11:41:45 PM
Quote from: PLD on March 18, 2023, 11:35:11 PM
Quote from: snitchthebudgie on March 18, 2023, 10:53:02 AM
A late but immediate addition to the list - a J69 tank engine!
??? but Accurascale don't do aJ69 in any scale, so they don't have a larger scale version to shrink... :hmmm:
(This isn't yet another general 'wish list' thread...)
Well not really it was announced this weekend in OO, so why not do an N gauge version side by side?
Ah apologies both - I'd missed that announcement :-[ so yes absolutely makes sense to do both scales at once (and put me down for one please :) )
Quote from: acko22 on March 18, 2023, 11:41:45 PM
Quote from: PLD on March 18, 2023, 11:35:11 PM
Quote from: snitchthebudgie on March 18, 2023, 10:53:02 AM
A late but immediate addition to the list - a J69 tank engine!
??? but Accurascale don't do aJ69 in any scale, so they don't have a larger scale version to shrink... :hmmm:
(This isn't yet another general 'wish list' thread...)
Well not really it was announced this weekend in OO, so why not do an N gauge version side by side?
I would add my vote for a J69 in N.
I had hoped Farish might introduce a newly tooled one (or a 94xx - their two original N locos) to celebrate Farish's 50 years in N but sadly the "celebration" seemed pretty muted, all that got produced was a new livery on a 66 :(.
Quote from: PLD on March 18, 2023, 11:48:39 PM
Quote from: acko22 on March 18, 2023, 11:41:45 PM
Quote from: PLD on March 18, 2023, 11:35:11 PM
Quote from: snitchthebudgie on March 18, 2023, 10:53:02 AM
A late but immediate addition to the list - a J69 tank engine!
??? but Accurascale don't do aJ69 in any scale, so they don't have a larger scale version to shrink... :hmmm:
(This isn't yet another general 'wish list' thread...)
Well not really it was announced this weekend in OO, so why not do an N gauge version side by side?
Ah apologies both - I'd missed that announcement :-[ so yes absolutely makes sense to do both scales at once (and put me down for one please :) )
We shall let you off this once..... :P
I suspect that " shrink-ray" on an OO computer model is not a trivial task. I note that Hormby had to redesign their locos to produce TT versions - - reduced detail, wall thicknesses, mounting points all differ.
So not just a reduced size model. but one engineered for N Gauge moulding requirements / tooling/motors/transmission / DCC etc.
So they could produce ANY loco if they wished, not just ones in the catalogue. They may have the original drawings on line, but a model version is not just pressing a button !
( note Revolution trains Caroline coach is at least a year behind the OO version!)
Whilst that's true, that it's not simply 'hit a button to rescale', per the title Accurascale themselves have said they would start with something from their OO gauge range, which is logical. So... not sure of your point?
Quote from: njee20 on March 19, 2023, 05:43:30 PM
Whilst that's true, that it's not simply 'hit a button to rescale', per the title Accurascale themselves have said they would start with something from their OO gauge range, which is logical. So... not sure of your point?
Agreed.
After speaking to Accurascale in Glasgow, one of the biggest drivers for stipulating one of their existing models to be used as a first foray into N gauge was the fact that a lot of the hard work had been done. Prototype research, dimensions, livery artwork, etc.
Best
Scott
How about the newly announced J67/68/69?
Looks good to me and would be useful!
Martyn
Quote from: martyn on March 20, 2023, 08:22:19 AM
How about the newly announced J67/68/69?
Looks good to me and would be useful!
Martyn
That would totally get my vote!
Colin.
Quote from: cmason on March 20, 2023, 09:50:22 AM
Quote from: martyn on March 20, 2023, 08:22:19 AM
How about the newly announced J67/68/69?
Looks good to me and would be useful!
Martyn
That would totally get my vote!
I second this
Stu
Colin.
Well here's the video we recorded at Alexandra Palace. Be gentle, it's the first time we've done this :worried:
Hopefully it's of interest!
Tom.
Nicely done and very interesting, as we already have RevolutioN doing lots of more modern stuff hopefully we will see Accurascale looking at some of the other eras - I do wonder how the J69 would have done in the poll had it been known about :)
Roy
I like the idea of 'virtual' rolling stock packs but fear as a transition era modeller there won't be much for me.
Even though I can justify many items from 4 regions of British Railways, even I can't think why a J69 (if it were to happen) could make its way to Oxfordshire :no:
It will be interesting to see what these guys put forward, they did mention mk1 coaches which is something that's just unavailable like almost everything else, the whole scale has moved onto pre orders due to supply & demand and it's not so easy on the pocket when they all arrive at once :*(
I am really hoping Accurascale will be including N Gauge in their range; it will help with my perceived poor quality issues with Dapol and Bachfar. I say perceived as this is based on my experience with models I have purchased (6 - all sent back) and similar experiences of fellow club members. I also had issues with two Sonic locos, both of which were returned as neither would run properly. I then purchased a Minitrix Boadicea, it runs superbly; maybe not up to the level of detail of current offerings, but it looks the part with a full length train, and was very easy to convert to DCC. I've looked at the Accurascale Deltic in 00 owned by other club members and they are fantastic; makes me consider going back to 00 modelling!
Go for it Accurascale!!!
Cheers :beers:
That sounds very positive from the video that they're probably doing more than just thinking about n gauge and are likely to make an announcement later in the year.
Another vote for Mk2s. Would be good to see Accurascale join the ever-expanding ranks of N Gauge manufacturers.
Mark
I've got their Mark 2b's on order for my OO collection - but only four of those for my class 33 on a Waterloo-Exeter run.
In N I will want eight, so there's the rub.
I think Accurascale are seeing this too, that people can run full length trains in N when they can't in OO.
Bring it on!
Bob
Quote from: TomE on March 23, 2023, 10:16:44 AM
Well here's the video we recorded at Alexandra Palace. Be gentle, it's the first time we've done this :worried:
Hopefully it's of interest!
Tom.
I enjoyed the video, Tom and I'm a fan of the idea/concept. I think the Mk2 would be popular in N, as would their HAA (Farish have taken years to deliver their "coming soon" re-release and the Accurascale tooling is far superior). For a N gauge modeller it would be much more efficient to buy virtual packs of coaches or a 12x pack of wagons that operated in long rakes.
Perhaps now might be a good time to do the next NGN poll, based on rolling stock? The last one for powered models was really interesting.
Cheers,
Tim
Out of the models listed, I'd put my vote for some more Mk1s and Mk2s in NSE livery, considering how much they go for on eBay these days!
Quote from: JimSan on March 26, 2023, 11:20:47 PM
Out of the models listed, I'd put my vote for some more Mk1s and Mk2s in NSE livery, considering how much they go for on eBay these days!
And there are lots of mark 1 carriages that Farish never made available in NSE livery, such as SK, CK, and BCKs.
Class 37s in large logo blue livery, a Regional Railways and Intercity please 😊
Mk2 coaches in Regional Railways blues as well would be great 👍🏻
Time for a bump for the J69.....
don't think they're looking here, so not sure it is worthy of a bump!
A year gone by and just tumbleweeds......
In their recent video update (which really needed sub titles in places) during their 'open house' at Rails of Sheffield, not even the faintest whiff of N in the air.
Quote from: Bingley Hall on May 16, 2024, 06:43:12 AMA year gone by and just tumbleweeds......
In their recent video update (which really needed sub titles in places) during their 'open house' at Rails of Sheffield, not even the faintest whiff of N in the air.
They have dipped a toe into O Gauge, but in spite of inviting interest in shrinking OO models to N and some other hints too, I agree the silence has been deafening.
Personally I don't think Accurascale will be producing any N models in the foreseeable future.
Roy
I asked Fran about this at the recent NEC show and he, reluctantly, said there had been no further progress on N scale so far, since the original statement.
He did say that it was still in the future plans, but nothing current.
In North Yorkshire one might suggest Class 92 loco, Mk 5 TPE coaches
Blaise
Quote from: Brian-1c on May 16, 2024, 12:06:07 PMI asked Fran about this at the recent NEC show and he, reluctantly, said there had been no further progress on N scale so far, since the original statement.
He did say that it was still in the future plans, but nothing current.
Meh. Not to shoot the messenger - indeed I thank you for relaying Fran's words - but, meh.
Quote from: blaise on June 22, 2024, 01:28:58 PMIn North Yorkshire one might suggest Class 92 loco, Mk 5 TPE coaches
In the real world, may we ask why you'd wish them to compete with very recent RevolutioN products for what are two rather niche prototypes...
Dont know jack about diesels but I'd have the 78XX if they ever made one :D
Quote from: nickk on June 23, 2024, 09:40:15 AMDont know jack about diesels but I'd have the 78XX if they ever made one :D
Thankfully Dapol are helping you out there as from what is being said over on RMWeb Accurascale are sticking with OO and O :thumbsdown: