Hi all.
Attached to this post should be the 2nd edition of my document about modelling the railways of East Anglia.
Please feel free to add comments on here about any possible improvements, products that you think should be added or any models that I have missed.
Also, if anyone would like to review this for the NGS Journal or 2mm Society Journal, please feel free to contact me off group.
Hope you find it interesting, and that you are inspired to pick an ex-GE location for you next project.
Stu
Thanks for this Labour of love. Stu.
I'd noticed a couple of updates needed on the mk1 and was going to email you, but
I'll leave it until I've gone through the latest list.
A very useful reference table in one place.
Martyn
Quote from: martyn on January 09, 2023, 05:00:03 PM
Thanks for this Labour of love. Stu.
I'd noticed a couple of updates needed on the mk1 and was going to email you, but
I'll leave it until I've gone through the latest list.
A very useful reference table in one place.
Martyn
Thanks Martyn.
I put on the K1 that you mentioned on your post. And also have the O4 & O4/8. Not sure if the latter is what you mention as the O1? If not, no worries.
I do remember seeing in a magazine that there was a 3D print of a J15 & E4, but I've never been able to find it.
If anyone can help me, that would be a great help.
Stu
Hi Stu:
Yes, should have been two versions of the O4 you've mentioned, and not O1.
Newman also do prints of Thompson K1/1 with 3500 gal tender, and the K4.
I'm doing this from memory, I'll check more tomorrow, as I could be wrong.
Cl. 15 diesels were a bit more widespread than your note, working to March with allocations to Ipswich and Norwich, I think, even if only briefly. They also worked Harwich train ferry shunting and parcels at least as far as Colchester.
Martyn
Hi everyone.
Just to let you know that the document on the OP is being updated and I'll release it after the Bachmann spring announcements.
Thanks to everyone who has been in contact with some models that I have missed. v2 was released 2 years after the original, so I knew I'd miss some models.
Stu
@03piggs (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=9842) DAR-ENT LOOK AT IT!!!!
I was happy in my ignorance building 'Readum Junkshun' until I found V1 and this has cost me a packet in Union Mills locos before they all disappear. :uneasy:
I started with an LMS childhood so it was mainly BR standard locos i thought to use on the layout then introduce some DMUs and diesels. The trouble was the more i researched the period and locality in Norfolk the more i got convinced to get at least some of it 'looking right' :hmmm:
So I've grabbed a J25 and the 'Royal' D16 from Colin @ Union Mills before he finishes and I've got a 'spares or repairs' J39 coming from 'Bet Net' (eBay).
If V2 is as informative and enticing as V1 I'm bankrupt! - But happy :claphappy:
Well done for effort and thanks, Chris
@03piggs (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=9842) , that is a staggering piece of research :thumbsup:, and a brilliant resource.
I don't know if this is of any help to, but some extra bits of detail, only because I live on the Southend Vic line, and commuted to London from 1986-2004 (and still travel regularly to Billericay for work).
37s - also used to drag 745s/755s around for tyre turning (I think they have to go to Hornsey at the moment) and as thunderbirds for mainly 745s (755s tend to be rescued by other 755s I think)
56s - also seen at Bow and Mark's Tey sand depots
306s - regulars into Southend Vic until withdrawal, usually on Peak semi-fasts (All stations to Harold Wood then Stratford & Liv St
308s - 4-car versions regulars into Southend Vic too.
345s - regular visitors to Southend Vic during initial testing
357s - several sets worked Liv St - Southend Vic peak services on loan in the early 2000s.
379s - now all Off Lease
387s - The 6 used by LTS are now all at Great Northern (certainly 4 of them as I saw them at Welwyn a few weeks ago).
720s - 720/6s are now on test on the LTS. 12 sets in total due.
755s - also work at least one Liv St - Norwich diagram (one 755/4 and 2x 755/3s coupled) in electric mode, and on electric to Stansted Airport/Cambridge from Ely (ex-Norwich).
Hope this helps :thumbsup:
Thank you for this excellent resource - I've used v1 extensively for research/day dreaming.
An addition suggestion: KTA intermodal 'pocket wagons' are available from C Rail. And FSA/FTA twins and four-set container flats are soon to be available from C Rail as well.
Quote from: AdrianC on January 18, 2023, 11:16:50 AM
@03piggs (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=9842) , that is a staggering piece of research :thumbsup:, and a brilliant resource.
I don't know if this is of any help to, but some extra bits of detail, only because I live on the Southend Vic line, and commuted to London from 1986-2004 (and still travel regularly to Billericay for work).
37s - also used to drag 745s/755s around for tyre turning (I think they have to go to Hornsey at the moment) and as thunderbirds for mainly 745s (755s tend to be rescued by other 755s I think)
56s - also seen at Bow and Mark's Tey sand depots
306s - regulars into Southend Vic until withdrawal, usually on Peak semi-fasts (All stations to Harold Wood then Stratford & Liv St
308s - 4-car versions regulars into Southend Vic too.
345s - regular visitors to Southend Vic during initial testing
357s - several sets worked Liv St - Southend Vic peak services on loan in the early 2000s.
379s - now all Off Lease
387s - The 6 used by LTS are now all at Great Northern (certainly 4 of them as I saw them at Welwyn a few weeks ago).
720s - 720/6s are now on test on the LTS. 12 sets in total due.
755s - also work at least one Liv St - Norwich diagram (one 755/4 and 2x 755/3s coupled) in electric mode, and on electric to Stansted Airport/Cambridge from Ely (ex-Norwich).
Hope this helps :thumbsup:
Thanks for this @AdrianC (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=3729) .
Ill try and add as much as I can.
Class 37s are difficult to condense their GE history. Just done to much in the area! :laugh:
Stu
Quote from: Jeebee on January 19, 2023, 08:13:10 PM
Thank you for this excellent resource - I've used v1 extensively for research/day dreaming.
An addition suggestion: KTA intermodal 'pocket wagons' are available from C Rail. And FSA/FTA twins and four-set container flats are soon to be available from C Rail as well.
Thanks @Jeebee (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=9405) , Glad it helped.
I forgot about the KTA, so this has already been added to v2.1, but I didnt know about the FSA/FTAs.
Thanks for that! :thumbsup:
Stu
Hi all,
Version 2.1 of this document has now been released.
Please see 1st post on this topic.
Thanks for all who have helped me keep this updated.
Part of me would like this reviewed in the NGS journal or the one for 2mm society. (Or any other magazine, like Ngaugenow) so if anyone can do this who is connected to these, please DM me.
Enjoy!
Stuart
Quote from: martyn on January 09, 2023, 08:04:41 PM
Newman also do prints of Thompson K1/1 with 3500 gal tender, and the K4.
@martyn (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=447): Did you mean that Newman does a 3D print of a Peppercorn K1?
My understanding is that Thompson modified a LNER K4 No. 3445 in 1945 that was eventually designated Class K1/1 and became No. 61997 in BR days. I believe it was the only loco so modified.
When Peppercorn replaced Thompson, he used this rebuilt loco as the basis for his K1 2-6-0 locos, a class that eventually totaled 70 locos (BR Nos. 62001 to 62070).
The K1/1 loco was slightly heavier than the K1's but the main visual difference was that the K1/1 had a curved running plate in front of the cylinders but the K1 locos all had a stepped running plate in front of the cylinders.
Newman's 3D print has the stepped running plate so I believe that it is a Class K1 not a K1/1. (There is a reason why I want to make sure of this).
Ian
@icairns (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=3276)
I'm sure you've found the link to Newman Miniatures at Shapeways;
https://www.shapeways.com/shops/newman-miniatures?section=N+Gauge+Models&s=0 (https://www.shapeways.com/shops/newman-miniatures?section=N+Gauge+Models&s=0)
As I said in my quoted post, I'd need to check, and should have done. Your summary of the K4 to K1/1 is correct.
There are two versions of the K4, and a K1 labelled as 'Gresley' but to my eyes is the Peppercorn version. There are also two versions of the K2.
You could check with @Rudititanic (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=9786) on the Forum, who is the designer, for confirmation.
Martyn
@03piggs (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=9842) sorry to spoil the fun but I've seen 2 Minitrix LNER coaches in teak in the later Yellow/Green plastic boxes! They were released in 1988, according to the profile on Hattons, and there were 2 versions a brake 1st and corridor 3rd (with individual compartment doors?) both following Gresley styling. Most Minitrix coaches only come in 2 versions for each profile, a brake and a corridor, as seen below on a broadsheet from early 1980s.
Seems like they might be as rare as rocking horse poo!?
Cheers Chris
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/130/8822-190223160749.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=130055)
What was the product number? I think Ian Cairns has a list of all their products.
It may have been a change of packaging, but AFAIK, the Gresleys were produced as BCK and TK (SK) in teak and maroon liveries. The maroon ones are in the green and yellow package, reference numbers 13115 and 13116. Colin's initial V2 of this list has been updated to reflect this.
Martyn
@martyn (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=447) @03piggs (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=9842) i believe the Minitrix numbers for the teak LNER coaches are 13013 & 13014
The post from @martyn (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=447) above re Gresley coaches is correct.
Minitrix produced the following Gresley coach models:
13013 Brake Composite LNER Teak running no. 4173 (introduced in 1988)
13014 Corridor Third LNER Teak running no. 4237 (introduced in 1988)
13115 BCK BR Maroon running no. E10076E BR Maroon (introduced in 1991)
13116 TK/SK BR Maroon running no. E12451E BR Maroon (introduced in 1991)
In June 1956, third class accommodation in coaching stock was re-designated as second class by BR so the TKs became SKs.
The Minitrix Teak versions are more common and appear on eBay fairly frequently whereas the maroon Gresley coaches are much rarer. The coaches are marked "Trix Germany"
Here is a photo of my two maroon Gresley coaches in their original packaging.
Ian
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/130/3276-190223183719.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=130057)
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/130/3276-190223183810.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=130058)
Hi all,
I'm planning to start revising this document for a 3rd Version for release sometime in Feb/March next year.
Since the last version was done in 2023, there have been a few updates that I need to do on it.
If anyone has any suggestions of new products/new features they would like me to try and include, please let me know.
Stu
PS - I do intend to write an addition to the introduction mentioning about some of the supplies who have closed (eg: n brass locos)
Don't know for sure who originally produced this listing of Union Mills models, its from the Facebook site, but thought it might help to identify models which may have come into East Anglia
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/147/8822-241224143304.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=147918)
Quote from: Greygreaser on December 24, 2024, 02:33:47 PMDon't know for sure who originally produced this listing of Union Mills models, its from the Facebook site, but thought it might help to identify models which may have come into East Anglia
Thanks
@Greygreaser. :thumbsup:
Have got most of the Union Mills locos. Shame he never did a J15 as wouldnt have been that far off the J25 as (I think) was the same CME (Glad to be corrected about this :D )
Thanks also for the reminder that I need to add UM to the list of no longer trading. :thumbsup:
Stu
Hi Stu;
No, the locos were designed one each by the brothers.
J15 by TW Worsdell, the J25 by W Worsdell. They did look very similar, though. TW's J21 was a pretty good match as well to the J15s.
TW did take his LNER F4 design to the NER, though, and a slightly enlarged design became the F8.
One problem with UM GER locos; the tender drive unit is way over scale for the Claud/B12, and I suspect the J25 is also over scale. The J15 tenders were rather small....though a model of a J15 would be useful for me!
Martyn
I modified a UM J25 to a J15. The wheel spacing on the tender isn't correct but close enough for me :)
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/85/943-110120110623.jpeg)
I've admired that J15 before-a wonderful piece of modelling.
Martyn
Quote from: thebrighton on December 29, 2024, 01:26:05 PMI modified a UM J25 to a J15. The wheel spacing on the tender isn't correct but close enough for me :)
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/85/943-110120110623.jpeg)
A thing of beauty.
Out of interest, the "J15" preserved on the NNR in GE guise is now described as a Y14, I believe the cab may have been different in GE days but that aside, is there anything else?
Y14 was the GER classification.
Technically, the J15 as preserved can't be a Y14, as it has an LNER design boiler, and the original GER design had different tubing, dome position, and, possibly, firebox arrangements. I'd need to check with the RCTS books about the latter.
Cab roofs were changed from a flattish canvas covered wood one to a more arched steel one.
Also, only the last 40 J15s had train brakes and heating, which wasn't fitted to the original Y14s.
Martyn
Quote from: 03piggs on December 24, 2024, 01:36:10 PMHi all,
I'm planning to start revising this document for a 3rd Version for release sometime in Feb/March next year.
Since the last version was done in 2023, there have been a few updates that I need to do on it.
If anyone has any suggestions of new products/new features they would like me to try and include, please let me know.
Stu
PS - I do intend to write an addition to the introduction mentioning about some of the supplies who have closed (eg: n brass locos)
Hi guys, :wave:
I'm slowly making my way through this update, but hope to break the back of it in a couple of weeks when visiting my in-laws in Scotland.
Couple of new ideas that I'll be including will be a section with Links to useful websites, and a section in each of the 'Coaches' and 'Wagons' areas just to deal with items no longer in production (eg: Ultima)
A couple of areas I need some help in are:
1) I need a couple of volunteers to proof read the Magazine once it has been completed
2) Most of the photos that are in the Magazine are my own photos that I have taken over the years but are of the railway in recent times. I would like to include some Photos of Model Railways in the scale that are based in East Anglia.
If you would like to help in these areas, please can you message me directly.
Thanks!
Stu
Hi All :wave:
Hope everyone is ok?
So I have finished this 3rd version of this booklet and v3.1 is attached below.
Thanks
@martyn for reading through this for me.
If have any questions or additional items I have missed or any additional feedback, please let me know.
One area I didn't manage to check is mainly to do with Shapeways. If anyone who is on the forum who did sell on Shapeways and you are featured in this Booklet, please PM me if your designs are still available.
Enjoy!
Stu