I get the impression that we who model the SR/BR(S) or earlier constituents seem few and far between. So could you fellow Southerners give us some idea of your particular period and area of interest which may enable us to help each other at times example knowing who to ask about a particular item. Maybe followers of other railway companies/areas/periods could do something similar.
For myself
Period; mid 1930s , so Maunsel green livery, too early for Bullied
Area; not too specific basically in ex LSWR territory around east Dorset, this is what I remember from school days just before nationalisation, school was alongside the main line between Bournemouthh and Poole so I do allow a few S&DJR visits.
Biggest gripe - no RTR Southern 4-6-0s. in fact not that many SR prototypes at all; 3 from Union Mills all ex LSWR types T9, 700 and 0395, Dapol, Schools Terrier and M7, Bullied pacific? Farish, Mogul (and ex SECR C class ?) Bullied pacific
Kits Langley, S15, E2, E5 Q1 MN, N Brass G6, C and L class. BHE N15.
I must admit I've not kept up with everything Farish, Dapol and kit makers bring out so may have missed one or two
In theory I have a preserved railway in the south west on ex southern line.
I agree with your view on wanting a southern 4-6-0 (I'd like a king Arthur) which isn't really appropriate.
Personally I'm waiting very impatiently for Dapol West Countries in original form would also like one as rebuilt.
I'm from the BR Blue Diesel pre-TOPS era; locale southern Hampshire, from Basingstoke to Southampton/Salisbury and east to Portsmouth and west to Bournemouth/Weymouth.
My wishlist would be RTR third-rail EMU's, particularly 4-VEPs which were ubiquitous through the region and 4-REP/TC sets on the Waterloo-Bournemouth fast and semi-fast services.
The Hampshire Diesel Class 205 "Thumpers" would be great to see also, and an RTR Class 71.
my main interest is BR ( LM ) and Western--having grew up in berbiggubb and spending countless hours spotting at New st or Snow Hill in the late 50's/ early 60s.
However--i had the chance a few years ago to buy an Olive green M7--and a terrier 8 freshwater + several converted coaches and wagons with Isle of Wight connections--where ive lived since 1971. Ive since added several other Southern locos..+ a few in BR (s) livery.
Stoneham Yard is set somewhere near Clapham Junction and Peterborough (simultaneously), in the early to mid 1980s, so BR TOPS era blue. I'd love to model Southern Railway pre-war olive green, but that's a rabbit hole I can resist.
I'd really like to see a 4TC, which would be so versatile for Southern modellers. A 3H/205 - again, not dependent on third rail. 4VEP, 4CIG units... a class 71 or 74 (again, not third rail dependent) would be nice but a bit out of era for me.
My modelled location is a pastiche of Eastleigh Station/Southampton tunnel/Fratton EMU Sheds/that tunnel between Weymouth and Dorchester and a fictional loco depot split between steam and diesel (Hither Greenish).
The main station is called Bishopstoke (a real place near Eastleigh), and a smaller station called Lower Upham (another real place near Bishops Waltham/Botley area).
My first modelled era is 1950s-60s steam and green (or black) diesels, green EMUs and DEMUs, and I can run crimson cream or BR (S) Green coaches.
I have some nice period EMUs in green.
My second modelled era is 1970s BR blue. the blue-grey EMUs include TPM inlays (4-CIG and 4-VEP) on early Mk 1 Farish coach bodies with class 158 chassis as power units. I have a 71 and 74 both on Dapol hymek chassis and I'm very proud of them!
I allow WR and SR locos to mingle, as they did with inter-regional traffic from the north to Southampton Terminus and from Cardiff/Bristol to Portsmouth Harbour.
Like Mike, I want some southern 4-6-0 locos. It is embarrassing that the WR roster is complete, and the SR roster is, shall we say, gappy.
Bob
Quote from: Dorsetmike on December 05, 2022, 08:08:34 PM
For myself
Period; mid 1930s , so Maunsel green livery, too early for Bullied
Biggest gripe - no RTR Southern 4-6-0s. in fact not that many SR prototypes at all; 3 from Union Mills all ex LSWR types T9, 700 and 0395, Dapol, Schools Terrier and M7, Bullied pacific? Farish, Mogul (and ex SECR C class ?) Bullied pacific
You'd think Southern afficionados would know how to spell 'Bulleid' ;) :P
Personally I would love to see a Class 205, Lord Nelson or S15, given my current project is part of the the Mid Hants Railway! A U would also be nice, but unlikely I feel given the similarity to the N.
Tom.
I have a U and a U1 both on the go at the moment.
They are 3D printed by @Snowwolflair (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=3761) from a design by Rudi of Newman Miniatures commissioned by @Highland Handlebar (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=5852). They use parts of the N and fittings by N Brass. The U1 has a Dapol Schools tender top.
If you ask either gentleman you can get a print for a reasonable sum 👍
Bob
Quote from: Newportnobby on December 05, 2022, 10:35:21 PM
Quote from: Dorsetmike on December 05, 2022, 08:08:34 PM
For myself
Period; mid 1930s , so Maunsel green livery, too early for Bullied
Biggest gripe - no RTR Southern 4-6-0s. in fact not that many SR prototypes at all; 3 from Union Mills all ex LSWR types T9, 700 and 0395, Dapol, Schools Terrier and M7, Bullied pacific? Farish, Mogul (and ex SECR C class ?) Bullied pacific
You'd think Southern afficionados would know how to spell 'Bulleid' ;) :P
S p a ...... ?
:smiley-laughing:
My Southern layout (Southwark Bridge) is Southern Electric so my wishes would be for a 71/74, 201/202 or some of the earlier EMU's.
Brickmakers Lane is set around South London in the 58-62 era. My big need is for suburban EMUs but the BR versions can be converted using Worsley Works components on 4CEP chassis. The big gaps for me are rebuilt Bulleid Pacific's, King Arthur, L1/D1/E1 and the electric locos like the 70 and 71, plus MLV.
However, I've got the KA and L1 under way using plastic "kits" made on my Silhouette cutter, with a Farish Scot chassis and B1 tender drive for the KA and Schools chassis for the L1. I also have a W from Rue d'Etropal, Q from Pendantic mongrel and P from Jimsan all in the works. Mr Sprue is working up a lovely 71/74 hopefully (no recent news though!) and I've pointed Jimsan at the Booster, with Worsley Works doing an etch if that doesn't come off. The MLV may be Worsley Works too, or maybe sides from the Silhouette. With that lot done I've not really any major gaps, although anything RTR is welcome! Hopefully the Dapol Pacific will emerge at some point.
I've got a lot of work to do with the scenic once it comes back from being wired so stock production will slow down a bit, but in the main I'm happy to wait for anything new RTR, especially in these financially tightened times.
Dave
I have to agree with the lack of a SR 4-6-0. It's a big missing link - how many were there?
I'm not a Southern or BR(S) modeller but would like:
BoB 34092 Wells/City of Wells
Merchant Navy 35028 Clan Line
N15 30777 Sir Lamiel
All in 1980s condition/livery.
Steven B
Quote from: chrism on December 06, 2022, 05:53:53 AM
Quote from: Newportnobby on December 05, 2022, 10:35:21 PM
Quote from: Dorsetmike on December 05, 2022, 08:08:34 PM
For myself
Period; mid 1930s , so Maunsel green livery, too early for Bullied
Biggest gripe - no RTR Southern 4-6-0s. in fact not that many SR prototypes at all; 3 from Union Mills all ex LSWR types T9, 700 and 0395, Dapol, Schools Terrier and M7, Bullied pacific? Farish, Mogul (and ex SECR C class ?) Bullied pacific
You'd think Southern afficionados would know how to spell 'Bulleid' ;) :P
S p a ...... ?
:smiley-laughing:
Also in the OP - IT's Maunsell not Maunsel
@Southerngooner (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=3680) - rebuilt MN Langley do a white metal kit, L1/E1/D1 hack from a Farish 4P, King Arthur BHE white metal kit but not on Farish black 5 chassis, try Peco Jubilee with UM drive or possibly Farish Jubilee or Scot., if you're not to fussy on wheel spacing then a Farish Duchess, Q hack from a 4F.
For the later Arthurs the BHE cab roof is the most obvious hack needed.
I have a Shapeways W, but those steps foul the N valve gear, so I'm contemplating an H16, however it doesn't look that viable , it would need a 4-6-2 chassis which would need a fair amount of hacking to fit a body intended for a 2-6-4, lopping a fair bit off the front and adding at the rear.
You may ask how I would justify an H 16 in Dorset - same as many other cases - running in turns from Eastleigh.
My area is South London, theoretically leaning more towards the Eastern and Central divisions, but with a few Western division interlopers. Era is an equally flexible notion - whilst predominantly mid 60s through to mid 70s, there has recently been a little stretching of time (and credibility) into the 80s and beyond.
I'd like to see more 1st and 2 gen EMUs - 2/4EPBs, 4COR, 4VEP, 2HAL/HAP/BIL, MLV, 4TC, 6S/L, to name but a few. Plus a 71 and 74.
Lack of availability of this kind of stock has been a key influence in me exploring a wider time frame - I have 3 4CEPs and a Brighton Belle but don't (yet?) have the skills to build kits to a level that I'd be happy with. I'm very happy running a Farish 319 and even have my eye on a Revolution Electrostar and the Farish 450, either of which would herald the final nail in the coffin of any pretence of fidelity and credibility ... but hey, it's my railway ....
Mark
Mike
I'm well aware of all the old whitemetal kits, which I've made many of in the past. To me they are difficult to make into something that matches today's RTR stock, particularly with old chassis too, hence my desire to use 3D prints. The Farish 4P too is so old, and the Dapol Schools is a much better fit for axle spacing and wheel size. The W just needs the steps cutting off and new ones made that sit on the outside of the footplate and it'll run on the N chassis. I thought H16's ended up on Fawley tank trains, or was that the W?
Dave
Have to shout up for the 4TC and a Thumper of some kind. Even a dummy 4TC to go with Dapol's 33/1 would make me happy.
Quote from: Foxhound on December 06, 2022, 01:33:33 PM
Have to shout up for the 4TC and a Thumper of some kind. Even a dummy 4TC to go with Dapol's 33/1 would make me happy.
All 4-TCs are unpowered. It's in the name.
Trailer
Control Unit.
Bob
Quote from: Bob G on December 06, 2022, 01:44:01 PM
Quote from: Foxhound on December 06, 2022, 01:33:33 PM
Have to shout up for the 4TC and a Thumper of some kind. Even a dummy 4TC to go with Dapol's 33/1 would make me happy.
All 4-TCs are unpowered. It's in the name. Trailer Control Unit.
Bob
*facepalm* sorry Bob, you are, of course, correct. :doh:
Quote from: Foxhound on December 06, 2022, 01:50:14 PM
Quote from: Bob G on December 06, 2022, 01:44:01 PM
Quote from: Foxhound on December 06, 2022, 01:33:33 PM
Have to shout up for the 4TC and a Thumper of some kind. Even a dummy 4TC to go with Dapol's 33/1 would make me happy.
All 4-TCs are unpowered. It's in the name. Trailer Control Unit.
Bob
*facepalm* sorry Bob, you are, of course, correct. :doh:
And I will have some too. My BHE sides on coaches without any interiors are looking very long in the tooth.
Bob
I'm with you Mike: ex-LSWR territory. My period is nostalgia-based: fifties and sixties to the end of steam (b. 1952).
Quote from: Steven B on December 06, 2022, 09:44:23 AM
I have to agree with the lack of a SR 4-6-0. It's a big missing link - how many were there?
Only including one of Drummonds 4-6-0s (since the rest were quite bad), we've got the following:
LSWR T14
LSWR H15
LSWR N15
LSWR S15
SR Lord Nelson
(hopefully not missed any other than the other Drummonds)
As for the thread's topic, I model roughly the Southern Hampshire area (a fictional version of Portsmouth & Southsea for my current main layout) for 30s SR, 60s BR(S) and also 90s NSE, and not sure how many know of my 3d modelling thread, but I'm slowly making more Southern items myself than what is available in RTR, what I would love is something like the EPB units as they lasted a long time and would work well with my 4CEP/4BEP units.
Would also love all the above 4-6-0s (in BR and some in SR liveries) and more 4-4-0s as well, even if it was just a chassis (ideally, a new Farish 4P since that allows more options), would give me something to make more bodies for heh
Quote from: JimSan on December 06, 2022, 04:16:24 PM
Only including one of Drummonds 4-6-0s (since the rest were quite bad), we've got the following:
LSWR T14
LSWR H15
LSWR N15
LSWR S15
SR Lord Nelson
So, using Wikipedia:
T14 = 10 built
H15 = 26 built
N15 = 74 built
S15 = 45 built
Lord Nelson = 16 built
None built in numbers matching the 840+ LMS Standard Five, but certainly similar to the LNER B17 (73 built), and more than the 40 SR V (schools) class (both of which have been done).
Steven B.
Quote from: Foxhound on December 06, 2022, 01:33:33 PM
Even a dummy 4TC to go with Dapol's 33/1 would make me happy.
Me too. Does the Dapol 33 come with optional push/pull brake pipes & jumper cables for 4TC operation?
Quote from: LASteve on December 06, 2022, 05:09:07 PM
Quote from: Foxhound on December 06, 2022, 01:33:33 PM
Even a dummy 4TC to go with Dapol's 33/1 would make me happy.
Me too. Does the Dapol 33 come with optional push/pull brake pipes & jumper cables for 4TC operation?
No, but happily they've modelled both the 33/0 (without high level pipes) and the 33/1, with the high level pipes and control gear.
Just to whet your Southern whistles... this is very much a work in progress, and these pictures are of the quiet side of the layout :)
This is the small station, Lower Upham, which has a steam shed. The coaling stage is based on Fratton, which actually had two, one for the LSWR and one for the LBSCR.
The loco shed is Heljan, similar to Dorchester shed.
Beyond the turntable is a newly built diesel shed (Nether Green), based on a Kato model, and beyond that the main town station of Bishopstoke, which you will have to imagine for now. That station has the EMU sheds, which are four Greenmax carriage sheds, again based on Fratton.
If you look closely, you will see an M7, terrier, 3MT, 5MT, MN rebuilt, Leader in BR black (yet to be lined!), and at the diesel end, an 07, 08, 73/1 in electric blue, 73/0 in green, and 33/0 in green. The EMUs are standard Farish and a 3D print by AyJay of a Tin Hal, awaiting numbering and completion.
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(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/128/1517-061222185652.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=128276)
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I know I moan about lack of SR 4-6-0s but I actually have 14 in varying states of repair or under construction, about half even run
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With my layout being based loosely on Oxford much of what Bob shows is in my roster as I've seen many SR workings at Oxford. Obviously no EMUs or pure electrics but I have:-
3 x MN (2 x rebuilt + 1 air smoothed)
1 x BoB Spam can (on pre order)
2 x Q1s
2 x 4MT 2-6-0s
3 x 5MT 4-6-0s
2 x 3MT tanks
1 x 4MT tank
1 x N class
1 x C class
1 x Schools
1 x Terrier
1 x M7 (on pre order)
2 x class 33s
1 x class 73
Scraping the barrel/Footie Specials are my main excuse for these appearing :)
How do you think I feel with all these GWR interlopers which come down from Bristol or Reading or via the Newbury Didcot and Southampton line.
94xx, 57xx, 64xx, 5101, Collett goods, City, Manor, Grange, Hall, Castle, 2884.
That's a better mix than are available to BR southern modellers.
Bob
Quote from: Bob G on December 06, 2022, 08:15:02 PM
How do you think I feel with all these GWR interlopers which come down from Bristol or Reading or via the Newbury Didcot and Southampton line.
No one Bullied you into it ;D
Quote from: Newportnobby on December 06, 2022, 08:56:37 PM
Quote from: Bob G on December 06, 2022, 08:15:02 PM
How do you think I feel with all these GWR interlopers which come down from Bristol or Reading or via the Newbury Didcot and Southampton line.
No one Bullied you into it ;D
At least I don't have many ex LMS or LNER locos to worry about.
The Fairburn tanks were built in Brighton so they are really southern locos 😬
and the Ivatt 2-6-2T is quite happy hauling green coaches.
Bob
This may be an utterly demented question / thought, but assuming say Peco produced flexitrack and similar with mock third rail, would that actually widen the appeal of modelling the region? (I realise of course there are plenty of fantastic modellers who do a spot on job of doing it themselves).
Because on a slightly related note I'm a bit of a fan of the AC electrics, but one of the reasons I keep with largely Western Region stuff, is because modelling overhead wires seems to be quite advanced for a beginner - the brass kits look brilliant but considerably out of my skill level and for that matter time level, at least currently. I'd assume others may have had the same thought about 3rd rail.
And going back on topic, I'd quite like some variant of a Thumper unit - not sure of all the various classes 205 maybe? Bit out of region but so are the 73s and I still run them.
West Dorset for me, imagining a line that went from Dorchester to Exeter via Bridport, with a branch running from Bridport to Beaminster. On my layout the two town names have been changed to 'Britminster' and 'Chetcombe' because, as modeled, there are few similarities with the real locations!
The layout is set somewhere between 1964 to 1976, which gives me license to run everything from Halls and Manors to BR Blue depending upon mood. I run both BR Southern and Western Region stock (although there is much more Western Region stock due to the variety of RTR models that are available!).
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Quote from: pinball on December 06, 2022, 10:42:02 PM
This may be an utterly demented question / thought, but assuming say Peco produced flexitrack and similar with mock third rail, would that actually widen the appeal of modelling the region? (I realise of course there are plenty of fantastic modellers who do a spot on job of doing it themselves).
Not at all demented. I'd even consider replacing all the mainline in the scenic section of my layout with factory-produced 3rd-rail track. The DIY project is fiddly as all get out and I've only managed to complete about three feet in about 12 months!
Cheers!
The various Southern Region slam door trains and the 442s and even for that matter the 444s seem to be quite popular with enthusiasts and along with some of the AC electric stuff seem to be the obvious omission in N gauge - and certainly as a new modeller, it's making the appropriate infrastructure which is the issue.
Having said that I'd imagine there is no OO factory built 3rd rail track, a brief google search reveals nothing other than some Peco products for adding 3rd rail which look somewhat fiddly. So I suppose if there isn't sufficient demand for "ready to lay" 3rd rail track in OO, it's even less likely in N-Gauge.
I suspect this also explains the lack of London Underground content in both scales once we delve into the realms of 4th rail!
In the NGN D&E poll, the 442 is currently leading the DC units ahead of the 4TC.
In AC units, the 325 is comfortably leading the pack at the moment.
The most popular unit of any type at the moment is the Class 205 followed by the Class 117.
Tom.
Quote from: TomE on December 09, 2022, 09:33:46 AM
The most popular unit of any type at the moment is the Class 205 followed by the Class 117.
Tom.
I'm sure the 117 will be announced immediately I start cutting up my four 121 donor bodies.
Even if any of the results from this survey were to turn into real products you'd be waiting 2-3 years, so get cutting!
Dave
Quote from: Bob G on December 09, 2022, 10:25:25 AM
Quote from: TomE on December 09, 2022, 09:33:46 AM
The most popular unit of any type at the moment is the Class 205 followed by the Class 117.
Tom.
I'm sure the 117 will be announced immediately I start cutting up my four 121 donor bodies.
As Dave says, stop being a selfish Bob and get cutting >:D
Quote from: Newportnobby on December 09, 2022, 11:39:35 AM
Quote from: Bob G on December 09, 2022, 10:25:25 AM
Quote from: TomE on December 09, 2022, 09:33:46 AM
The most popular unit of any type at the moment is the Class 205 followed by the Class 117.
Tom.
I'm sure the 117 will be announced immediately I start cutting up my four 121 donor bodies.
As Dave says, stop being a selfish Bob and get cutting >:D
Indeed! Why worry about a CAD drawing when you have a vice and a hacksaw!
Wow, a vice! That's luxury......
Dave
I have more than one vice :(
Actually, while being cheeky to Bob, I actually have three or four modelling ones plus a couple of proper work ones! Saws, though, there's my big collection. 20-odd different types, from a chop saw down to an Exacto mini-blade. But the Black and Decker bandsaw I bought from Steve Wright for £25 thirty years ago had been my Best Buy by far.......
Dave
Someone being cheeky to me? Surely not???
1 vice on the work bench, 1 vice in railway room, 1 vice spare in reserve. 2 Minicraft drills, 3 or 4 Xuron diagonal/track cutters, numerous knife blades and handles, can't always be bothered to change blades so keep most used in handles amd a box of spare blades. Lost count of screwdrivers, different blades and sizes up to one I call my graunching tool, about 18" long 3 temperature controlled soldering irons one on work bemch 2 in railway room (one each side). 3 Tweezers in various shapes and sizes as well as normal household hammers, pliers, saws Etc etc!
A Unimat 12" lathe + milling attachment, not been used in years, not scratch built any locos recently, only hacks and kit bashes.
Did I say I use my Xuron track cutter to trim an errant baby toenail?
It has a fungal infection in it and grows like an eagles claw if I don't keep it under control.
Does anyone use those mini-vices that fly fishers use to make their own flies ?
I imagine that jewellers also have their own special vices that might be useful for us n gauge modellers ?