Scenecraft
Corrugated Goods Shed
Highley Cattle Dock
Helston Engine Shed
Brick Lineside Hut
Modern Weighbridge
Aidensfield Garage
Rendered Workers' Cottages
Low Relief Modern Town House
Low Relief Station Hotel
Musketeer Caravan
Dry Stone Walling
Farish
Class 20/0 20064 River Sheaf - BR Green Red Solebar
Class 20/0 20172 Redmire - BR Blue Red Solebar
Class 31/1 31309 Cricklewood - BR Blue
Class 31/4 31466 EWS - Eastern Sales Area Exclusive
Class 31/1 31130 BR Railfreight Coal Sector - Scotland and North of England Sales Area Exclusive
Class 31/4 31423 Jerome K Jerome BR Intercity - Midlands, Wales and Ireland Sales Area Exclusive
Class 31/4 31407 Mainline Freight - South West Area Exclusive
MK1 BG Northern Belle Livery - Collectors' Club Exclusive
No mention of coaches...again.
009 gets a new locomotive, Penrhyn Railway Linda and Charles.
Best
Scott.
Very happy with the new 31 livery's. 31423 in IC Mainline for me, saves me a respray now :D 407 is also nice, may just be able to fit that in, being repainted circa 1995... As for coal sector, already repainted a couple of those...
20064 is nice in green, but it's a shame they can't release a twin pack with 030, but to have 030 a retool would be required as it had larger cab side windows.
Cheers
Anthony
Just one word, disappointing...
Not a single transition model, in fact as far as steam goes, the only loco due to arrive reasonably soon is the 4F, with J39 and 5MT moved to mid-2023 and no dates yet for the Fairburn Tanks.
I think we had all hoped for (and possibly even expected) some coaches in the more common liveries, but no, not a bit of it, in fact nothing new rolling stock wise at all.
With re-runs of steam locos in OO (some with a sound upgrade) Thompsons in maroon and a new-tool loco in OO9 I think it feels safe to conclude that N is third priority for Bachmann Europe now, behind OO and OO9, I really can't read things any other way.
Roy
Quote from: Roy L S on November 02, 2022, 10:13:30 AM
Just one word, disappointing...
I think we had all hoped for (and possibly even expected) some coaches in the more common liveries, but no, not a bit of it, in fact nothing new rolling stock wise at all.
With re-runs of steam locos in OO (some with a sound upgrade) Thompsons in maroon and a new-tool loco in OO9 I think it feels safe to conclude that N is third priority for Bachmann Europe now, behind OO and OO9, I really can't read things any other way.
Roy
I have looked back my email trail, and I find that it was August 2021 that I wrote to Bachman (Richard Proudman), with regard to the lack of coaching stock in N gauge, particularly MK1 and MK2 stock. I also questioned Bachman's commitment to N Gauge in general. I Was assured that Bachman were taking N gauge seriously and was assured there was significant investment being made. It appears, now, that he was referring to the Class 90. Whilst this was a very welcome and significant project for the era that it fits, I fail to see the point in investing all that money whilst providing nothing for other locomotives to pull.
I admit, I don't get it.
Say what you will about Dapol, but they do regular runs of coaching stock. It's just a shame it's not Maroon Mk1s - How long since the last run? at least 5 years?
If I was starting out in modelling railways today, particularly in the green diesel era, I wouldn't entertain N gauge (why would I, when all I can buy are sectorisation and post-privatisation locomotives?), and I'm carefully considering whether I continue with the gauge at all now - at the very least I need to downsize my modelling ambitions in respect of future projects.
Best
Scott.
Northern Belle BG is announced in N as a Collectors Club exclusive. The only piece of hauled N stock.
Thank goodness these manufacturers are trying hard to relieve me of my savings and supporting the Steam and Transition eras:
Dapol (GWR Mogul, SR BB/WC, new run of Class 33s)
Rapido (Classes 28 + Conflat P, Classes 44, 45 and 46, SECR designed wagons)
Revolution (Class 120 and 128 Transition era DMUs, LT Underground trains, K Type Pullmans, Class A and B tanks)
Sonic (GWR 5101 Large Prairie, LNER J50).
Union Mills (can we have a new Southern 4-4-0 please)
I only need Farish as a source of chassis now, for my U-boats (U and U1 2-6-0s (Thanks @Highland Handlebar (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=5852)))
Cheers
Bob
All those locos and nothing for them to pull :(
I find myself,...
...underwhelmed.
Sadly, as usual. :(
Must do better, Farish. 1 out of 10 for effort. 0 out of 10 for listening to what people want :unimpressed:
Maybe Farish are scared to announce the latest prices of their coaches ?
Perhaps Farish are simply responding to the age-old gripe that all you see on model railway layouts are Mark 1 coaches!!!!!
Or perhaps Farish believe Dapol are flooding the coach market (not with high-window Maunsells, they are not!)
Bob
really odd again with no rolling stock
anyway i am happy to buy a 31/4
they seem to be going for one off or odd liveries more lately.
tim
Images for the new releases here: https://www.ngaugenews.com/post/graham-farish-winter-2022-announcements (https://www.ngaugenews.com/post/graham-farish-winter-2022-announcements)
One of those Intercity Mainline 31s will certainly find its way into the stock box!
Tom.
just glad that I bought too many when they were affordable, ie years ago :angel:
Quote from: Browning 9mm on November 02, 2022, 12:57:05 PM
just glad that I bought too many when they were affordable, ie years ago :angel:
£180 for a DCC ready Goyle means my wallet will remain untroubled, sadly.
Quote from: Foxhound on November 02, 2022, 01:11:15 PM
Quote from: Browning 9mm on November 02, 2022, 12:57:05 PM
just glad that I bought too many when they were affordable, ie years ago :angel:
£180 for a DCC ready Goyle means my wallet will remain untroubled, sadly.
Unless you buy direct from Bachman, that shouldn't be the price you pay.
Retailer price should be around £153 with 15% reduction applied.
Best
Scott.
The weakest list of Farish releases for over a year. And why so many obscure liveries? The blue and green 31s sold out far faster than all of the later liveries last time despite having previously been issued, so what do we get? More sector liveries just like those that hung around on the shelves last time, and more obscure liveries for the 20s. My expectations were modest — a sound upgrade for the 24s — but Bachmann have disappointed yet again.
Even the NG locos are strange choices. The Ffestiniog "ladies", but not in the form that they run on the Ffestiniog. Just a vague promise that they may appear "if the demand is there".
once again, I am totally underwhelmed with Farish's latest announcements - no transition coaching stock (again awaiting maroon Thompsons) no steam loco, not even a sound ready retread! I wonder if they are listening to their customers at all. well at least there is Dapol, Rapido, Revolution, Sonic and possibly Union Mills to empty my wallet!
Regards,
Alex
In 2002, when Graham Farish was no more, and Bachmann Farish had yet to produce anything at all, Farish Poole prices went through the roof on the secondhand market.
I think we are seeing this again, in 2022, as Farish fails to deliver. But it does further endorse Farish's price point for coaches, at the end of the day.
Remember, folks. You might want a coach, but you don't need a coach (like your life does not depend upon it).
Bob
Quote from: Bob G on November 02, 2022, 02:34:24 PM
Remember, folks. You might want a coach, but you don't need a coach (like your life does not depend upon it).
Bob
Of course, Bob. But I think all of these comments are valid within the context of us all being aware model railways are not an essential for life.
That being the case, what is the point of selling locomotives if you don't sell the rolling stock to go with it.
Best
Scott.
Quote from: Bob G on November 02, 2022, 02:34:24 PM
...as Farish fails to deliver. But it does further endorse Farish's price point for coaches, at the end of the day.
Bob
In what sense? That they are deliberately withholding supply to ensure second hand prices increase to a price point they can then sell a new batch at?
I have to say if anew batch of Mk1s were to arrive within the next 12 months, I've budgeted for the RRP to be around £45
Best
Scott.
Quote from: NGS-PO on November 02, 2022, 02:45:29 PM
Quote from: NGS-PO on November 02, 2022, 02:42:57 PM
Quote from: Bob G on November 02, 2022, 02:34:24 PM
...as Farish fails to deliver. But it does further endorse Farish's price point for coaches, at the end of the day.
Bob
In what sense? That they are deliberately withholding supply to ensure second hand prices increase to a price point they can then sell a new batch at?
I have to say if anew batch of Mk1s were to arrive within the next 12 months, I've budgeted for the RRP to be around £45.
Best
Scott.
That is kind of what I was suggesting, perhaps a little tongue in cheek :)
Quote from: NGS-PO on November 02, 2022, 02:40:08 PM
Quote from: Bob G on November 02, 2022, 02:34:24 PM
Remember, folks. You might want a coach, but you don't need a coach (like your life does not depend upon it).
Bob
Of course, Bob. But I think all of these comments are valid within the context of us all being aware model railways are not an essential for life.
That being the case, what is the point of selling locomotives if you don't sell the rolling stock to go with it.
Best
Scott.
You are quite right. I am lucky to have a lot of stock, and a good job that allows me to splurge when I want to. I know others struggle with the buy it or miss out problems that you get with batch production too. N gauge is not like OO. It doesn't sit well in display cabinets. It needs to run with a train in a scenic setting. Perhaps Farish are applying the same logic of the OO Collectors market to N gauge?
Bob
Quote from: Bob G on November 02, 2022, 02:49:17 PM
Quote from: NGS-PO on November 02, 2022, 02:45:29 PM
Quote from: NGS-PO on November 02, 2022, 02:42:57 PM
Quote from: Bob G on November 02, 2022, 02:34:24 PM
...as Farish fails to deliver. But it does further endorse Farish's price point for coaches, at the end of the day.
Bob
In what sense? That they are deliberately withholding supply to ensure second hand prices increase to a price point they can then sell a new batch at?
I have to say if anew batch of Mk1s were to arrive within the next 12 months, I've budgeted for the RRP to be around £45.
Best
Scott.
That is kind of what I was suggesting, perhaps a little tongue in cheek :)
I don't think you are necessarily wrong.
Best
Scott.
Still no Southern 4-6-0, LMS, LNER and GWR all have more than 1 class of 4-6-0 RTR Southern only have 2 dated kits. Not much better for anything else Southern, two 4-4-0s, T9 and Schools out of over 15 classes, two tanks, M7 and Terrier.
I've heard a version of the catch 22 saying, "nobody models the SR because nobody manufactures SR stock: nobody makes SR stock because nobody models the SR.
Quote from: NGS-PO on November 02, 2022, 03:07:09 PM
Quote from: Bob G on November 02, 2022, 02:49:17 PM
Quote from: NGS-PO on November 02, 2022, 02:45:29 PM
Quote from: NGS-PO on November 02, 2022, 02:42:57 PM
Quote from: Bob G on November 02, 2022, 02:34:24 PM
...as Farish fails to deliver. But it does further endorse Farish's price point for coaches, at the end of the day.
Bob
In what sense? That they are deliberately withholding supply to ensure second hand prices increase to a price point they can then sell a new batch at?
I have to say if anew batch of Mk1s were to arrive within the next 12 months, I've budgeted for the RRP to be around £45.
Best
Scott.
That is kind of what I was suggesting, perhaps a little tongue in cheek :)
I don't think you are necessarily wrong.
Best
Scott.
But looking at the price of OO coaches (which I am buying for an OO 1970s south coast themed layout) they are retailing at over £50, making Dapol N scale coaches positively cheap in comparison. Thankfully I have enough OO for this layout (but insufficient space, while we have refugees in the house).
It is not just in N where I am saying to myself, "Good job I am not starting out in <this scale>" from scratch.
Bob
PS we managed to lose the Lima HO coach my wife foolishly bought for the 3 year old before he managed to carve tram tracks into our dining table. By "Lose" I mean "Lose in the bin forever!"
To be clear, I'm not - and seldom am I - complaining about the price. My gripe is with availability.
For the quality of product from Farish and Revolution certainly, I feel we get good value for money.
Best
Scott.
just for my two pennyworth...
I doubt that I would consider starting modelling a layout, either in N or OO, at the prices and availability that seem the norm at this time.
when I started, too many years ago, I could easily afford / find / order locos and stock for a train, and afford to pay for them.
nowadays, it seems if I bought a loco, at £100 plus, I'd have a job to even find a couple of coaches, at much the same cost, to run behind it.
it's supposed to be a relaxing hobby, but as a starter, I would certainly not see it as such these days.
sorry.
my major concern is ...
where are new, young, modelers going to come from to refresh the hobby.
when 'I were a lad' I could afford, even on my pocket money, to buy the odd wagon etc, or save over a few weeks, for a carriage [I still refuse to call them coaches, those are operated by National express etc up and down the motorways].
how many youngsters looking to come into the hobby today can afford to ?
indeed, how many adults can afford to at today's prices ?
I feel that the manufacturers are doing them selves no favours by their pricing regimes, ok a quick profit, but are they driving away the people who as they grow older, get jobs, and have money for hobbies?
enough of my views, off to walk the dog, at least his biscuits don't cost as much as a freight wagon...
YET. :-[
Nothing for me here. I was hoping for the next Std 5. I have one on order with TMC for their weathering.
The sector class 31s look good, IC Mainline especially, though I'm disappointed there's no rolling stock - really need some maroon Thompsons!
Quote from: Hailstone on November 02, 2022, 02:29:14 PM
once again, I am totally underwhelmed with Farish's latest announcements - no transition coaching stock (again awaiting maroon Thompsons) no steam loco, not even a sound ready retread! I wonder if they are listening to their customers at all. well at least there is Dapol, Rapido, Revolution, Sonic and possibly Union Mills to empty my wallet!
Regards,
Alex
They've just announced maroon Thompsons in OO, so we should be encouraged by that at least!
Quote from: Browning 9mm on November 02, 2022, 04:41:31 PM
just for my two pennyworth...
Hello again, Alan (a.k.a. class37025, Redcap244 and now Browning 9mm)
In answer to my own winge. The Backman website stoill shows the next Std 5s as arriving c July, which suggests 20222! Tmc with whom I have my pre order for a weathered example suggest March/ April 2023.
My initial reaction was being quite underwhelmed. No new tooling, no new rolling stock, not even any re-releases of popular rolling stock in common liveries. All these locos and nothing available for them to haul etc. Same old story for years now.
Then I tried to see it in a different perspective and with a glass half full approach...
Yes, we know that the class 158's and 47's etc are on the way and an update today on liveries etc was expected. However, was I expecting another re-run of class 20's or 31's ahead of the before mentioned? No. Is it a nice bonus to squeeze in? Yes.
31130 in Railfreight Coal livery looks really nice. No fan grill cowling and an off centre headlight will allow this as a good base model to relivery into other examples.
31423 in Intercity Mainline is another model I will buy. It has the fan grill cowling, centre headlight, cab roof pod and ETH pipe.
However, I am baffled as to why 31466 and 31407 were chosen? Only 1 loco in these liveries existed and they only lived for a short amount of time. I don't see them selling out. Why do Farish tend to preference 'one off / niche' liveries over others that were more common, were longer lived and offer a more geographical coverage of operation? Surely a civil engineers (over 40 prototypes) or Regional Railways (5 prototypes) class 31 would have ticked more boxes and encouraged multiple purchases.
I noticed that the OO gauge class 158 was announced in Yorkshire Metro red/cream livery today. Hopefully this option will be added to the 2 liveries currently announced in N.
Tim
I wonder if they've taken notice of the numerous posts asking when they are going to deliver pre-announced items and are trying to avoid the 3-5 yr wait we have endured in the recent past.
Bachmann's policy since switching to the quarterly announcements is that everything announcedshould be in the shops within the next four months.
It doesn't always work - the EFE china clay hoppers were very delayed for example.
It also excludes models announced before they switched - like the class 158.
There are also a few models such as the class 90 which are announced a little early, hence it's not with us yet.
Steven B.
Quote from: GAD on November 03, 2022, 11:35:48 AM
I wonder if they've taken notice of the numerous posts asking when they are going to deliver pre-announced items and are trying to avoid the 3-5 yr wait we have endured in the recent past.
That's exactly why they have switched to the quarterly release schedule. Instead of announcing a model at the start of the development process, and then having a wait of several years whilst it works its way through every stage of production, they can now announce, show samples and have them in the shops reasonably soon after.
Of course this won't suit everyone, and there have been complaints it doesn't give people enough notice and time to save, but personally I think it works much better than the old system where you'd be waiting years for updates and result in the model railway equivalent of 'are we there yet'....
Tom.
Quote from: TomE on November 03, 2022, 12:35:13 PM
Quote from: GAD on November 03, 2022, 11:35:48 AM
I wonder if they've taken notice of the numerous posts asking when they are going to deliver pre-announced items and are trying to avoid the 3-5 yr wait we have endured in the recent past.
Of course this won't suit everyone, and there have been complaints it doesn't give people enough notice and time to save, but personally I think it works much better than the old system where you'd be waiting years for updates and result in the model railway equivalent of 'are we there yet'....
Tom.
I think it is a better system as well.
Best
Scott.
Quote from: TomE on November 03, 2022, 12:35:13 PM
Quote from: GAD on November 03, 2022, 11:35:48 AM
I wonder if they've taken notice of the numerous posts asking when they are going to deliver pre-announced items and are trying to avoid the 3-5 yr wait we have endured in the recent past.
That's exactly why they have switched to the quarterly release schedule. Instead of announcing a model at the start of the development process, and then having a wait of several years whilst it works its way through every stage of production, they can now announce, show samples and have them in the shops reasonably soon after.
Of course this won't suit everyone, and there have been complaints it doesn't give people enough notice and time to save, but personally I think it works much better than the old system where you'd be waiting years for updates and result in the model railway equivalent of 'are we there yet'....
Tom.
Not Farish, but I waited over 10 yrs from announcement of the Pacer 142 until my pre-order arrived.
A system that doesn't provide basic stuff like wagons or coaches is seriously broken, whether we know they're coming 10 years or 3-months in advance.
hi
which model shops have 31423 available to pre order?
i missed what dealer region these are for.
i googled 371-135db but found nothing...
cheers
tim
Quote from: bluedepot on November 04, 2022, 05:39:52 PM
hi
which model shops have 31423 available to pre order?
i missed what dealer region these are for.
i googled 371-135db but found nothing...
cheers
tim
Pre ordered mine at Cheltenham Model Centre. The area is West of England/Wales/Ireland
Tom
thanks tom
order placed!
tim
I am really looking forwards to the Sonic J50 and forthcoming Prairie.
I feel like I am on a drip feed waiting for Graham farish to serve me something nice.
With a huge (for me) backlog of pre-ordered kit from Dapol and Revolution (mainly the latter), I am sort of glad nothing here is a MUST have for me.
The Coal 31 is very close, but seeing as I went as far as obtaining decals to re-brand the earlier Petroleum one, that could still be a viable route.
I do feel for those waiting for more coaches though, and I will feel even more when they do arrive in silly quantities. As I said before, they won't learn and make 5x TS or TSOs than 1sts or Brakes...
Oh, and sorry to say to the previous comment on pricing; £45 is more likely to be £55 if released even early next year.
Skyline2uk
Quote from: TomE on November 04, 2022, 05:58:40 PM
Quote from: bluedepot on November 04, 2022, 05:39:52 PM
hi
which model shops have 31423 available to pre order?
i missed what dealer region these are for.
i googled 371-135db but found nothing...
cheers
tim
Pre ordered mine at Cheltenham Model Centre. The area is West of England/Wales/Ireland
Tom
Any other suggestions ( for shops); for the Regional models ?
Quote from: Railwaygun on November 05, 2022, 02:59:01 PM
Any other suggestions ( for shops); for the Regional models ?
For the Mainline Livery, Alton Model Centre or Kernow would be a good bet.
Rails of Sheffield, Trains4U for EWS
C&M Models for the RF Tripple Grey
There'll be others but those are the ones that spring to mind.
Tom.