Announced for delivery within the next three months:
Scenecraft:
Low Relief Factory Side
Low Relief Weather Boarded Warehouse
Low Relief Cement Board Warehouse
Low Relief Railway Arches
Snack Bar Trailer
Rural Workers Cottages
Flat Roof Garage
Low Relief Municipal Concrete Housing
Prefab. House
Farish:
Class 90 - NEW TOOLING (Delivery during quarter 4)
Virgin 90004
Railfreight Distribution Sector 90037
Res 90019
Intercity Swallow 90005
G&W Freightliner (Orange) 90047
Sound Fitted Options available on all liveries
4F Sound Fitted
LMS Black 4057
BR Black (Early) 43892
BR Black Late 43931
Class 08
BR/GER Lined Blue 08833
G&W Freightliner (Orange) 08785
Mainline Blue 09006 - Regional Sellers
EMT 08908 - Regional Sellers
BR Provincial 08761 - Regional Sellers
LMS Black 08601 - Regional Sellers
Class 37
Ralifreight Red Stripe 37032
Class 60
GBRF 60002 - 50th Anniversary of Graham Farish
CLUB MODELS
Class 101
Strathclyde Transport Executive - 3-car
Class 37
British Steel Light Blue - 37501 (Previously announced at "Practically Perfect" Sale)
Best
Scott.
Zzzzzzzz........
Dave
Really excited about the 90. Only interested in the FL orange, will have to wait for the others in future batches, but that's been a long time coming.
Quote from: Southerngooner on August 03, 2022, 10:10:51 AM
Zzzzzzzz........
Dave
3 different diesels, a DMU, a steam loco, an electric and a load of buildings. Hardly a bad haul.
Quote from: njee20 on August 03, 2022, 10:15:44 AM
Quote from: Southerngooner on August 03, 2022, 10:10:51 AM
Zzzzzzzz........
Dave
3 different diesels, a DMU, a steam loco, an electric and a load of buildings. Hardly a bad haul.
Not disagreeing in the slightest, it's good to see some investment at last particularly with the 90, but in fairness the 4Fs, I think, are previously announced models now with sound fitted options.
Best
Scott.
It's been worse.
Theoretically, the only era missing out is pre-grouping. Heck, I may even be tempted by an LMS black 08!
Would've like to have seen a reworked Crab, or something new, but considering their corporate situation, it's reasonable.
C'mon Sonic, give us a new LMS kettle!
Quote from: NGS-PO on August 03, 2022, 10:18:27 AM
Quote from: njee20 on August 03, 2022, 10:15:44 AM
Quote from: Southerngooner on August 03, 2022, 10:10:51 AM
Zzzzzzzz........
Dave
3 different diesels, a DMU, a steam loco, an electric and a load of buildings. Hardly a bad haul.
Not disagreeing in the slightest, it's good to see some investment at last particularly with the 90, but in fairness the 4Fs, I think, are previously announced models now with sound fitted options.
Best
Scott.
Yes they did say as much, but even so. For a 3(ish) month release schedule that's impressive. Some big prices on some of the OO gauge stuff specifically, the IPA wagons selling direct from Bachman for £130 a pair smarts a bit.
You missed out 37501 in British Steel Light blue.
Cheers
Neal.
Quote from: Calnefoxile on August 03, 2022, 10:26:37 AM
You missed out 37501 in British Steel Light blue.
Cheers
Neal.
I did. Apologies - Included now.
Best
Scott.
Would have gone for the Strathclyde 101 if it were not quite so expensive, the fact it is a Collectors Club model means it is highly unlikely to be discounted.
Definitely up for the ScotRail/Provincial 08 if I can locate a retailer who will sell me one (I find the whole Regional thing rather silly to be honest) and is that red stripe Railfreight 37 weathered?
Watching the video, they had me with the class 90, I wasn't expecting to see the painted samples in N.
Welcome addition, it will be interesting to see it in the flesh. Hopefully they sell well and out so another batch can be produced with the liveries I want (Ideally before I give in and buy one in a livery I don't need.)
Provincial 08761 was on my personal wishlist so that is an easy win for me personally :D.
The Strathclyde 101 is interesting one. After the initial excitement with the flurry of Strathclyde models from various manufacturers I have become a bit jaded due to error. This would be far more useful to me on its own or alongside the other Strathclyde units. I am actually going to need to think about this one.
i think there is some nice stuff there... agree mostly for 1980s to modern day modellers, but no coaches or wagons for any era... not even just re-runs... that's a bit strange and doesn't help attract new people to n gauge.
tim
Quote from: Southerngooner on August 03, 2022, 10:10:51 AM
Zzzzzzzz........
Dave
Agreed, as usual nothing Southern, Oh for a Nelson and an Arthur, any 4-4-0, by my reckoning there have only been about 7 SR loco types produced RTR, 3 of those from Union Mills, classes T9, 700, 0395, M7, N, Schools and C.
To misquote an old saying:-
Nobody models the SR because no manufacturers produce SR items; manufacturers don't make SR items because nobody models SR.
As a matter of interest how many members here model BR(S), SR or its pregrouping constituents?
Quote from: Dorsetmike on August 03, 2022, 12:10:37 PM
As a matter of interest how many members here model BR(S), SR or its pregrouping constituents?
That sounds like a separate thread. No need to clutter this one with irrelevant lists.
But I'll start you off. I don't.
The all-new class 90 within the next three months is very welcome.
Hopefully Bachmann's calender has lost some of its elasticity - the EFE Rail bogie hoppers to a lot longer to arrive despite having an initial three month lead time.
I hope they don't leave it too long before producing some additional liveries. I think of the Poole era diesel/electric models this just leave the 87 and 91 to be reworked to current standards (the class 44/45/46 Peaks were half-way there, just missing lights and DCC socket).
Have Bachmann put out an update on the class 158 Express Sprinter?
It's a crying shame that there's still no reruns of other models that have sat in the tool store for many many years.
Steven B.
Q4 for the 90, but yes, soon at least. They made a reference to the 158 in the preamble, essentially a nod to the fact it's on the 'old' development path so they'll show EPs etc, rather than the new style of leaping in with decorated samples. No actual progress announcement that I heard though.
I'm encouraged by the 08, where they've smashed out loads of liveries in very short time. Hopefully we'll see more 90s in the spring/summer. They are some yawning chasms of liveries; like anything from 2000-2020.
The 37 is a bit of an oddball. It only ran for about a month in traffic with that unofficial name on before being stored and withdrawn. Still, it's a nice livery and I guess the name will be fairly simple to rub off when one lands at the lair.
Quote from: NGS-PO on August 03, 2022, 10:03:43 AM
Class 08
LMS Black 08601 - Regional Sellers
The LMS Black 08 was a BR paint-job in the late 1980s - it ran around Birmingham and could often be found at Bescot yard or New Street Station. It's not an LMS loco, although I suspect many will be used as such!
Steven B.
Quote from: Steven B on August 03, 2022, 12:38:43 PM
Quote from: NGS-PO on August 03, 2022, 10:03:43 AM
Class 08
LMS Black 08601 - Regional Sellers
The LMS Black 08 was a BR paint-job in the late 1980s - it ran around Birmingham and could often be found at Bescot yard or New Street Station. It's not an LMS loco, although I suspect many will be used as such!
Steven B.
Just right though to renumber to a BR number and change the logo to early crest, remove the nameplate and make it really grimy. It'll then look like many of them, all ex-LMS, that were in use in the 60s. They never did get treated to an late crest any more than they were likely to get cleaned before being retired.
looking forward to that 90 in FL
Quote from: Steven B on August 03, 2022, 12:38:43 PM
Quote from: NGS-PO on August 03, 2022, 10:03:43 AM
Class 08
LMS Black 08601 - Regional Sellers
The LMS Black 08 was a BR paint-job in the late 1980s - it ran around Birmingham and could often be found at Bescot yard or New Street Station. It's not an LMS loco, although I suspect many will be used as such!
Steven B.
Quite right. I assumed everyone would know that, with an 08 TOPS number, but that was perhaps misguided of me.
Best
Scott.
Getting better Bachmann!
If every quarter saw a diesel (loco or mu), an electric (loco or mu) and a steam loco all with relatively imminent release dates I'd be happy, even though I'm personally only interested in the last one. It's been the famine and the apparent lack of interest in N that's been the biggest irritant. That now seems to be over - I wonder why that could be....? (<cough> Sonic & Rapido <cough>)
But for heaven's sake - carriages Bachmann! There's money there waiting to be made on models that are a lot less difficult to make than locos. Instead there's a pointless "collectors box" diesel of some sort - who on earth buys that rubbish? (But if you want one give it a year and TMC or Rails will be offering them as clearance items at 30% off).
Richard T
The price differential v the J39 suggested to me that the 4F would be released re-worked for DCC sound and for once I was right! Sound fitted weathered BR late crest one duly ordered...
Roy
Quote from: Brian-1c on August 03, 2022, 12:48:43 PM
Just right though to renumber to a BR number and change the logo to early crest, remove the nameplate and make it really grimy. It'll then look like many of them, all ex-LMS, that were in use in the 60s.
Twenty 0-6-0 shunters we built during WW2 - ten went to The Netherlands, the remainder went to the LMS. These later became BR class D3/8 (later given TOPS class 11 but was never carried). BR built more between 1948 and 1952 resulting in 120 locomotives.
There were minor differences between these locomotives and what became the class 08. 08's had slightly larger diameter wheels and there were minor differences in the bodies.
I'm guessing a good number will end up on LMS layouts doing a great job as masquerading as the earlier class. I'd sure they'll be enjoyed, but to my mind not knowing and not caring about the differences are two different things. I'd hate someone to end up disappointed because they believe they're buying a model they believe is suitable for pre-1948 based layouts only to discover when they start looking at pictures that it's not what they thought.
Steven B.
Quote from: Steven B on August 03, 2022, 01:58:21 PM
Twenty 0-6-0 shunters we built during WW2 - ten went to The Netherlands, the remainder went to the LMS. These later became BR class D3/8 (later given TOPS class 11 but was never carried). BR built more between 1948 and 1952 resulting in 120 locomotives.
There were minor differences between these locomotives and what became the class 08. 08's had slightly larger diameter wheels and there were minor differences in the bodies.
I'm guessing a good number will end up on LMS layouts doing a great job as masquerading as the earlier class. I'd sure they'll be enjoyed, but to my mind not knowing and not caring about the differences are two different things. I'd hate someone to end up disappointed because they believe they're buying a model they believe is suitable for pre-1948 based layouts only to discover when they start looking at pictures that it's not what they thought.
Steven B.
The running numbers allocated, by BR, to those ex LMS locos would be useful, if you have such info please.
Brian
BR numbers were 12033 - 12138
Best
Scott.
Quote from: NGS-PO on August 03, 2022, 02:46:08 PM
BR numbers were 12033 - 12138
Best
Scott.
Excellent, thank you.
Whilst the cl 90 is a very welcome announcement (just as I was considering selling my son's Poole one....) for the diesel and electric modellers, if I was considering starting modelling in N gauge the lack of rolling stock might well put me off.
Coupled with what seems to be little stock availability in shops, and I might be wrong on this, I'd be only able to run a light engine or DMUs.
I'm not just talking about new models; but also the lack or re-runs of even basic wagons and coaching stock.
All I can say is that I'm fortunate that I have just about all the locos and stock I need, but, as I've said before, I'd be concerned if I were just starting out.
The money would seem to be out there, judging from what's said on the Forum, but the product to actually buy is not.
Martyn
Part of me wonders whether Bachmann are pushing more toward the collector market (and I feel dirty for saying that as a differentiation), with the prices of rolling stock increasing proportionally more than locos. The OO gauge IPAs being sold direct at £150/pair for one of the colours, the JPAs being £65 each. People moaned like hell about the price of the mk2s, the DBSOs etc. That said, they all sell, and it won't work if they literally don't produce rolling stock.
Quote from: martyn on August 03, 2022, 03:13:29 PM
Whilst the cl 90 is a very welcome announcement (just as I was considering selling my son's Poole one....) for the diesel and electric modellers, if I was considering starting modelling in N gauge the lack of rolling stock might well put me off.
Coupled with what seems to be little stock availability in shops, and I might be wrong on this, I'd be only able to run a light engine or DMUs.
I'm not just talking about new models; but also the lack or re-runs of even basic wagons and coaching stock.
All I can say is that I'm fortunate that I have just about all the locos and stock I need, but, as I've said before, I'd be concerned if I were just starting out.
The money would seem to be out there, judging from what's said on the Forum, but the product to actually buy is not.
Martyn
I agree with this and think it's pretty much spot on.
If I was coming into the hobby now, I wouldn't choose N Gauge. I'd temper my ambitions (in terms of the size of layout) and go down the 4mm route, and that thought is based almost entirely on lack of rolling stock being available. It has been impossible for a number of years to assemble an authentic rake of Mk1s (5 years?).
As it is, I'm very much in a similar boat to you Martyn in that I have just about everything I need for my Magnum Opus, save 24 Mk1 Maroon coaches and the items on order from Revolution and Rapido.
Aside from that, anything anyone announces now, if it is of interest, is a bonus.
I still hold out hope that someone will produce a NBL Type 2 (21/29).
I've decided to bite the bullet, instead of waiting for Farish to produce the Scottish 24/1, and commissioned Mercig Studios to do conversions for me from 24/0s. Whilst I feel Farish will eventually get around to it, I think the Mercig ones will have better accuracy and they'll be weathered as part of the deal, and sport tablet catchers, correct underframe equipment, etc.
The emergence of the completely re-tooled 90 provides evidence that there is investment in N gauge from Bachman, rather than just re-hashes of existing chassis, and it is very welcome. I've no interest in sound, so it frustrates me that models are being sound upgraded before new, never done before models are produced, but I know there is a market for sound, and Bachman obviously get a good return on sound models, so it's frustration rather than a complaint.
In terms of coaching stock, we just have to have faith that they will come, hopefully sooner rather than later.
In the meantime, if anyone has any Blue Riband Maroon BCK, BSK, CK and/or SK, surplus to requirements and for sale, do let me know!
Best
Scott.
Quote from: njee20 on August 03, 2022, 10:14:33 AM
Really excited about the 90. Only interested in the FL orange, will have to wait for the others in future batches, but that's been a long time coming.
Won't you have to get 2 of these? I've only seen a regular pair at Stratford. :laughabovepost:
I'm in the same boat as Martyn and Scott. I've got most of the stuff for my SR layout Brickmakers Lane, I've got a few non-SR bits that can on it and on James Street too. I now don't collect stuff I don't need as things are too expensive for stuff to sit around with nothing to do, and don't feel the need for a new layout or layouts based in different era or areas, so I'm luck in that respect. The Rapido SECR wagons were a nice one for me, but it's the sheer lack of new stuff and the slow pace of what does appear that is so different to 2013 when I got back into modelling. I'm glad I bought stuff when I did.
However, a lot of stuff is still out there on dealers shelves if you go and look. You just have to be lucky. I make a point of going into any dealer I pass these days, not only to see what they have but also to do a little bit towards keeping them going.
I'll never change from N until I physically cannot do it as it offers the long trains and complicated layouts in a small area that you couldn't get in any other scale.
At least my spending should be kept low now!
Dave
Quote from: martyn on August 03, 2022, 03:13:29 PM
Whilst the cl 90 is a very welcome announcement (just as I was considering selling my son's Poole one....) for the diesel and electric modellers, if I was considering starting modelling in N gauge the lack of rolling stock might well put me off.
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I'm not just talking about new models; but also the lack or re-runs of even basic wagons and coaching stock.
Joined up thinking would have seen a re-run of Mk2F in Intercity Swallow and Virgin liveries.
There are posts on RMWeb suggesting that Bachmann are due to announce a run of coaches of so far unconfirmed types in the next quarterly announcement.
At least with the class 90s you can still find Dapol Mk3s in suitable liveries (i.e. Intercity and Virgin). Matching DVTs are harder to find but still easier than what you can get from Farish at the moment.
Steven B.
Quote from: crepello on August 03, 2022, 04:21:08 PM
Quote from: njee20 on August 03, 2022, 10:14:33 AM
Really excited about the 90. Only interested in the FL orange, will have to wait for the others in future batches, but that's been a long time coming.
Won't you have to get 2 of these? I've only seen a regular pair at Stratford. :laughabovepost:
True, CL90's are always used in multiple on Intermodal freight, but I'll just be buying one Tango liveried version to start with. As @njee20 (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=1147) says there are plenty more liveries that can be done, Freightliner, DBS, plus the various "specials".
At some point I might buy a second G&W and re-number it.
Oh, and if Farish can do a new tooling loco every quarter then hopefully everyone will be as pleased I am with the CL90 announcement :claphappy: :claphappy: :claphappy:
Regards,
John P
Quote from: crepello on August 03, 2022, 04:21:08 PM
Quote from: njee20 on August 03, 2022, 10:14:33 AM
Really excited about the 90. Only interested in the FL orange, will have to wait for the others in future batches, but that's been a long time coming.
Won't you have to get 2 of these? I've only seen a regular pair at Stratford. :laughabovepost:
I probably will. Double headed 90s is a recent thing. Frustratingly though it was the norm by the time they were painted orange. In FL grey, green and even Powerhaul days a single loco was more common.
Quote from: jpendle on August 03, 2022, 05:28:28 PM
True, CL90's are always used in multiple on Intermodal freight, but I'll just be buying one Tango liveried version to start with. As @njee20 (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=1147) says there are plenty more liveries that can be done, Freightliner, DBS, plus the various "specials".
At some point I might buy a second G&W and re-number it.
The 90s have worn 32 different liveries. Impressive for a class of 50! That ignores subtle branding variations, DB 'gliders' etc etc.
Quote from: Dorsetmike on August 03, 2022, 12:10:37 PM
Agreed, as usual nothing Southern, Oh for a Nelson and an Arthur, any 4-4-0, by my reckoning there have only been about 7 SR loco types produced RTR, 3 of those from Union Mills, classes T9, 700, 0395, M7, N, Schools and C.
To misquote an old saying:-
Nobody models the SR because no manufacturers produce SR items; manufacturers don't make SR items because nobody models SR.
Yet the Southern actually has the best (least bad?) coverage for coaching stock with 3 distinct types produced R-T-R in recent times - Bullieds, Maunsells & the Birdcage stock. For the LMS all we have is the Staniers, and then only 57-footers which account for less than half of the variants...
Quote from: Steven B on August 03, 2022, 12:14:17 PM
Have Bachmann put out an update on the class 158 Express Sprinter?
Not this time, but when I took photos of the EP's at Alexandra Palace earlier in the year they were talking in terms of early 2023 for release. Outside chance we might see livery samples for those at TINGS if that's still the schedule.
https://www.ngaugenews.com/post/graham-farish-n-gauge-class-158-ep-samples-revealed (https://www.ngaugenews.com/post/graham-farish-n-gauge-class-158-ep-samples-revealed)
Tom.
As a transition period modeller, i have to say that I am totally underwhelmed, only one steam loco once again redesigned for sound, So in reality no new tooling since the 8F, no coaches (where ARE the maroon Thompsons?) and when you look at what Rapido, Revolution and Sonic have done in the same time period, you have to wonder what is going on behind closed doors at Barwell. I am aware that many people now do DCC but not all of us and I worry that they have spent too much money on it to expand their product range which will do them no good at all. DCC by all means but not at the cost of product which is why my pre order list whilst large has no Graham Farish products in it
Regards,
Alex
Hi all,
So for me personally I am rather happy the class 90 has appeared in the most open secret going....
Of all the liveries only 2 for me, those been Freightliner and Intercity Swallow (Re numbering required of course).
But lets hope that after years of us hoping and at times moans of no new 90 they sell well and we see other liveries begin to appear seen as there is 57 liveries and variations, but time will tell for now I am just happy they are seeing the daylight at last.
I was a little underwhelmed with the class 37 offering as there are so many options available but you cant have it all!
The 08s are a nice mixture even if only one is for me and even then I would have preferred another freightliner livery, but hey ho it is what it is!
As for the class 60 hmmm I like the 60 in GBRf colours but the extra pennies for a name..... I can live without thank you!
It's interesting to see that we're getting class 90 liveries that Bachmann waited for a second run before doing them in OO including Res, Virgin and Freightliner G&W (orange).
The OO range was limited to Intercity, Rfd and Freightliner Powerhaul on the first run.
It'll be interesting to see how long it takes Bachmann to re-run the Farish 90 in new liveries. I can see it including I/C Mainline, EWS and Freightliner Green.
Steven B.
Quote from: NGS-PO on August 03, 2022, 04:18:07 PM
In terms of coaching stock, we just have to have faith that they will come, hopefully sooner rather than later.
In the meantime, if anyone has any Blue Riband Maroon BCK, BSK, CK and/or SK, surplus to requirements and for sale, do let me know!
Best
Scott.
Scott,
Isn't this what the NGS could be doing??
Talking to the Manufacturers and outlining what the N Gauge Community are saying, I'm sure they are already aware of what is being said on Forums (Fora??) but a bit of a chat from the NGS Trade Liaison Officer might garner some answers??
Regards
Neal.
I would like to believe that with this first completely new tooling announcement since the quarterly schedule was established, we are seeing a change in the way in which production is planned, ordered and executed. All this is against the background of BacFar competing for production slots in the Kader facilities.
The plethora of Class 08s announced and being released imminently probably all come from one production run with the benefits of scale in ordering and sourcing components, optimising assembly, and the elimination of factory downtime changing lines. This size of production run could be what is needed to make the BachFar capacity bid more attractive to the Kader factory profit centre. Now extrapolate that to the Class 90 and we get a first batch of 4 delivered in Q4/22, a second batch of colour schemes early in Q1/23, and a third batch at the end of Q1/23. In effect they could be announced in November 2022, and February 2023. For those clamouring for coaching stock, and to a lesser extent wagons, the same approach could equally be required to justify a colossal multi-livery production run, with the flexibility to make higher proportions of second class coaches rather than numbers equal with the firsts, composites and brakes.
Maybe just wishful thinking, but wouldn't it be great if the key to making BachFar a more attractive proposition within the Kader business is to make much, much more in each run rather than less. My only concern would be that this might make some types far less attractive if the market cannot absorb the higher production quantities.